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Braakinthesaddle 6/29/2022 3:34 AM
Any other vets in this here channel?
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GG @Braakinthesaddle, you just advanced to level 1!
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OneCrustySock 6/29/2022 3:54 AM
I am. 4yrs. USAF 5-15 crew chief.
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Braakinthesaddle 6/29/2022 12:20 PM
5 years Army, mental health. Always good to meet fellow lefty vets.
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18+ years, Marines and Army Recon.
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Braakinthesaddle 6/29/2022 2:39 PM
Anybody here got any experience with organizing community defense? I'm acting as security for an affinity group in Phoenix that has been organizing rallies in the wake of the SCOTUS Roe decision.
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Braakinthesaddle
Anybody here got any experience with organizing community defense? I'm acting as security for an affinity group in Phoenix that has been organizing rallies in the wake of the SCOTUS Roe decision.
Literally yes, I work as one of my State Emergency Managers. But it's a bit different than rallies and such haha
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Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 3:39 AM
That's awesome!
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GG @Braakinthesaddle, you just advanced to level 3!
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Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 3:40 AM
Teach me the way! Lol
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Braakinthesaddle
Teach me the way! Lol
Ok, its flood season, so get those sandbags. Its also fire season so keep the shovel handy too
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Nomad
Ok, its flood season, so get those sandbags. Its also fire season so keep the shovel handy too
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 12:46 PM
As a resident of AZ during monsoon season, bet your ass I've got both lol
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@Braakinthesaddle You better collect as much as that monsoon as you can before you run out of water
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Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 12:57 PM
You ain't lyin
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3 years US Army Armor Crew Man.
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A Frame
3 years US Army Armor Crew Man.
WojtektheBear 7/8/2022 2:49 PM
You poor sweaty bastard lol. I’m not a vet I just know a tanker.
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A Frame
3 years US Army Armor Crew Man.
Braakinthesaddle 7/8/2022 2:57 PM
How much of those 3 years were spent at NTC lol
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Deleted User 7/8/2022 8:07 PM
What kind of combatives does the military train recruits
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That's a broad question
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But I'm still curious
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Closest relatives would be kravmaga and BJJ
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For civilian available training
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Nomad
Closest relatives would be kravmaga and BJJ
Deleted User 7/9/2022 10:45 AM
Any reliable reasorces on krav maga? Ive always been warry of it because there is alot of fakes out there
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I'd love to learn more about it
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I have no clue what gyms are accurate or bunk
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Any reliable reasorces on krav maga? Ive always been warry of it because there is alot of fakes out there
Braakinthesaddle 7/9/2022 11:56 AM
Best to look up what studios are in your area, see if they offer a free sample session or have some YouTube videos posted with some basic skills. Generally if they're emphasizing insuring your own survival above all else, they could be legit. If they're like the dude from Napoleon Dynamite, don't waste your time or money.
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Braakinthesaddle
Best to look up what studios are in your area, see if they offer a free sample session or have some YouTube videos posted with some basic skills. Generally if they're emphasizing insuring your own survival above all else, they could be legit. If they're like the dude from Napoleon Dynamite, don't waste your time or money.
Deleted User 7/9/2022 1:14 PM
Perfect thank you
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Hey! 10 years USAF F-15 Crew Chief then Space Systems (edited)
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Any reliable reasorces on krav maga? Ive always been warry of it because there is alot of fakes out there
Raps [PDX,OR] 7/9/2022 6:37 PM
I'm going to say that krav maga isn't a reputable self defense art in that they have tiered classes for civilians, LEO and military and then there's also krav maga specifically for Israeli and non-israelis.
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That's not a good sign in the martial arts world.
6:39 PM
Having done wrestling (9-17), judo (11 - 39) and bjj (26-39) I can astutely say if you're looking for self defense MA you'll want to look into a grappling and striking class or just a general MMA gym.
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 6:40 PM
I do judo but not for self defense reasons
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Raps [PDX,OR]
Having done wrestling (9-17), judo (11 - 39) and bjj (26-39) I can astutely say if you're looking for self defense MA you'll want to look into a grappling and striking class or just a general MMA gym.
Deleted User 7/9/2022 6:40 PM
I'm hoping to get into boxing
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And wrestling
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Keep it simple
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/9/2022 6:41 PM
Wrestling is hard if you're not in school.
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Some community colleges offer wrestling but finding a wrestling room is neigh impossible if you're not an collegiate/Olympic wrestler.
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As an adult, I'll add
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 6:42 PM
I'm in college but a more accessible grappling style would be better
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/9/2022 6:43 PM
Wrestling is the most accessible hands down.
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 6:44 PM
As you said thought it's hard to find a place to train
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/9/2022 6:44 PM
Low barrier to train/cheap gear and incredibly low learning curve. Anyone with a year or two in wrestling is an absolute MONSTER on the mats at a judo or bjj gym.
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As you said thought it's hard to find a place to train
Raps [PDX,OR] 7/9/2022 6:44 PM
If you're in college look into your athletic department.
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 6:45 PM
The head of the judo club is also a wrestler
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A friend of mine actually
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I'll probably talk with him about it
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/9/2022 6:46 PM
A wrestling foundation will work well if you stay with grappling, which you are/may continue to do.
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Oh yeah, USARMY veteran 01-09 13f, 3/75
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 8:23 PM
Thanks for your advice!
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Raps [PDX,OR]
That's not a good sign in the martial arts world.
Most martial arts, being geared towards competition, not self defense
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/9/2022 9:36 PM
Competition rules are not the same as tiered instruction. If you're in a gym that says only people who have trained for X years and have Y ranks are open to these moves then I say leave that place fast.
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Now if a gym wants to say, limit neck cranks and heel hooks because they have a high rate of causing injury then that's different.
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Ive never seen any place refuse to show a move based on time served (edited)
9:38 PM
Or rank/belt
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/9/2022 9:42 PM
There are some bjj places that do that. But as I said it's also the SOP for krav maga.
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you'll sorta know if your krav maga instructor/place is a mcdojo
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after a trial class or as others have pointed out, demo videos, you'll get a feeling if its legit or not
10:32 PM
i once looked into a local systema group (another martial art) in my area and i could smell the mcdojo from a mile away
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 10:42 PM
That's what I'm trying to avoid
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I've read over the years alot of horror stories
10:44 PM
The one military combatives book I trust is rex Applegates book
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/10/2022 2:21 PM
The thing about krav maga is that you can't practice it to the level that you can practice grappling and joint locks.
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When you start kicking groins and gouging eyes you'll run out of training partners real quick. However you can lock in a heel hook, shoulder lock arm bar until the joint is about to pop and feel what that's like.
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I'll also add that yes, it is 100% necessary to get your hands to the eyes or knees to the groin when training because adrenaline affects the fine motor skills. If you think you can manifest a disabling move like that while under the stress of a fight then I have some bad news for you.
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R.I.P. military, that doesnt gore each other in training
2:30 PM
I mean....
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Watching the video now, not seeing any eyes fucked up or dicks kicked. Looks like a standard tournament woth rules
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/10/2022 2:32 PM
I think you're missing my point there. I'm saying krav maga isn't a viable martial art because you can't train to the level that you can with grappling/mma
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The military doesn't rely on teaching eye gouging/groin kicking because it's a fine motor skill and training is better spent teaching takedowns and striking.
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Its a weird point to make since when the original question was asked "what kind of combatives" the military trains, I said both krav, and BJJ were the closest matches (edited)
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/10/2022 2:35 PM
And I'm saying krav maga isn't as viable as the reputation people give it.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/10/2022 2:53 PM
Post training manuals that are 30 to 50 years old?
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This is devolving into unproductive philosophrapter BS. I've said my end. (edited)
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I can tell you didnt open them all, which says a lot I suppose
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Those familiar with MCMAP or Army Combatives probably know that eye gouges are not a fine motor skill. In MCMAP for example you are essentially swiping like a tiger exactly because of what was mentioned above: adrenaline. And it isnt the sole movement taught, but one of many. Categorizing any martial art as the few moves you have seen or are aware of is pretty disingenuous, especially if you've never actually practiced said martial arts.
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Deleted User 7/11/2022 10:33 PM
Kill or get killed is a manual Im familiar with
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Deleted User 7/11/2022 10:43 PM
Interesting to see what krav maga and rec Applegates writing have in common
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Anyone aware of this?
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What is their stance?
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Anti-fascist
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mountaininf 7/13/2022 7:11 PM
Sweet. Nice to see we're not alone.
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I don't know about using a Soviet-style logo on the shoulder of a stahlhelm-wearing soldier, though.
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Regnion
I don't know about using a Soviet-style logo on the shoulder of a stahlhelm-wearing soldier, though.
I love your discord avatar.
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New Mexico is absolutely amazing
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The teal in the middle completes it very well
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New Mexico is easy-mode, the Zia would likely be offended by my appropriation of their symbol. šŸ˜” (edited)
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Also it's turquoise. fingerguns
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Also it's turquoise. fingerguns
I stand corrected though my box of crayons is only 16. Some day maybe 32...
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You havent eaten any? What are you doing in #veterans ?
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That's the Muhreens, mate.
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I had steak and lobster from my dining facility, in my dormitory. (edited)
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I had steak and lobster from my dining facility, in my dormitory. (edited)
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Nomad
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Theres an air refueling wing around here and their food is certainly good
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Braakinthesaddle 7/14/2022 3:30 AM
With the Army food they should have shown a dude rushing to the latrine after not having shit for 4 days straight in Basic. It's me. That was me...
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Good to see a lot of veterans on here
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Drinking in uniform is my favorite frowned upon activity lol. Big ups to you homie
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Exceptions are made when stuck in an airport for deployment purposes.
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We stopped in Germany at night coming back from Jordan, there was a little bar / shop area we sat around in for a few hours.
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One Marine was irate he had to wait in line with us Air Force folks, "civilians in uniform" he said. I made sure to comment very loudly that the shop had a few more options than the bar did at our deployed location. WHEEZE
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Exceptions are made when stuck in an airport for deployment purposes.
Exceptions are also made if the commander wants to drink
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We did have a bar, but Sam Adams was reserved for officers only and other such things. Had to settle for Miller Lite.
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One Marine was irate he had to wait in line with us Air Force folks, "civilians in uniform" he said. I made sure to comment very loudly that the shop had a few more options than the bar did at our deployed location. WHEEZE
That Marine sounds like a chump lol Bitching like a child rather than trying to build rapport to find a way to get the airmen to feed him booze. Amateur hour
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Other guys were cool.
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Hey just an FYI you shouldn't share personal photo's of yourself here.
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Showed all your patches too šŸ’€
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What's up you grunts, Cav Scout near Louisville KY looking to meet some others to do some training and range days
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I should say, veteran not currently active
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Steve Mike
What's up you grunts, Cav Scout near Louisville KY looking to meet some others to do some training and range days
Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 7:28 AM
Love the pfp
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Aepalizage! Xiqual Udinbak
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well goddamn it has just been brought to my attention that the fascist Russian group The Eurasia Party has appropriated the symbol in my pfp and has put a version of it on their flag. haha yeah I'm not down with that
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Steve Mike
well goddamn it has just been brought to my attention that the fascist Russian group The Eurasia Party has appropriated the symbol in my pfp and has put a version of it on their flag. haha yeah I'm not down with that
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 5:33 PM
the Eurasia Party is pretty similar to kremlin ideology, as I believe their leader is alexander dugin
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dugin is very close to the kremlin(who use some of his rhetoric actually)
5:34 PM
saying Russia isnt fascist is a fucking lie lol(it has been for years)
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The Eurasia Party (Russian: ŠŸŠ°Ń€Ń‚ŠøŃ «Š•Š²Ń€Š°Š·ŠøŃ»; Partiya «Yevraziya») is a Russian political party. It was registered by the Ministry of Justice on 21 June 2002, approximately one year after the pan-Russian Eurasia Movement was established by Aleksandr Dugin. Often seen to be a form of National Bolshevism, one of the basic ideas that underpin Eura...
The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. Its publication in 1997 was well received in Russia; it has had significant influence within the Russian military, police, and foreign policy elites, and has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian milit...
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A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 5:42 PM
foundations of geopolitics is extremely popular in russian political circles and with a lot of high ranking military officers
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FFS its even a fucking textbook
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COPPERAS COVE — When retired U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Jim Johnsen first joined the military, being openly gay or lesbian was cause for not only harassment or worse, but also
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Uncle Thomas has indicated his intent to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges in the future, any chance they will seek to reinstate "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" as well?
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Casey
Uncle Thomas has indicated his intent to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges in the future, any chance they will seek to reinstate "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" as well?
The military already said it isnt playing the game with abortions, i doubt they will go back on lgbt folks
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The military already said it isnt playing the game with abortions, i doubt they will go back on lgbt folks
As in they reassured the abortion rights of its members?
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Yeah, and they are getting to work on finally either having insurance cover them, or providing it through the VA
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Nomad
Yeah, and they are getting to work on finally either having insurance cover them, or providing it through the VA
That is excellent news. While we're on this topic, I have a question: if Obergefell v. Hodges is overturned, rendering homosexual marriages null and void, how would that affect military family housing?
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That would depend on if the military acknowledged it. With dismal retention, they may not want to force a housing crisis on the troops.
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Are such housing arrangements common at all to begin with, given the struggles as highlighted in the article that campmods shared?
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Base housing usually has a wait list, so yeah, pretty common lol. For lgbt specifically though, i am actually not sure. Either way they will be ficking with troops pay and housing
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This shit is what needs to be spread among these patriotic maga fucka
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Who here is a veteran? I have a project idea I want to bring up. It will need some military expertise.
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I am. Six years in the air force doing aircraft weapons maintenance
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/5/2022 12:56 PM
I was a 13f in the army from 01-09. Spent time in a LRSD team and ranger bat.
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Happy Veterans Day you crayon-eating grunts.
7:48 PM
That veteran said the quiet part out loud: doctrine of modern attrition warfare. "Give your enemy dilemmas, not problems, because problems have one solution" is exactly the right's doctrine in politics: divide and conquer.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 11/14/2022 10:12 AM
surprised i haven't seen that video yet
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i often see his stuff
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Who here is a veteran? I have a project idea I want to bring up. It will need some military expertise.
Braakinthesaddle 11/16/2022 11:32 AM
Sorry for the late response, but if you still need vet input, I was 4 years active Army and 1 year in the Nat. Guard as a 68X, Behavioral Health tech.
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1uc2
Who here is a veteran? I have a project idea I want to bring up. It will need some military expertise.
USN - Quartermaster, small craft coxswain, VBSS teams. Whatcha need?
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Need operational doctrine appropriate for IF local chapter noobs in various activities.
10:25 PM
Like boy scouts, but for antifascism action like teamwork, coverage, support roles and responsibility, communication protocols....
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There is a lot of info I'd need too sensitive for this public a forum. But I could help with comm protocols and general roles and responsibilities. Creating organizational operations protocols is totally my bag. Though admittedly I try to keep it non-hierarchical.
10:31 PM
I could DM you my Signal if you like.
10:32 PM
Might be good to get the other folks who responded into a signal message group.
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Richard Baine 1/13/2023 10:17 AM
did 2 active 4 reserve as a 36b nothing glamorous
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You'd probably not be surprised how important bookkeeping can be to a resistance movement.
6:09 PM
As they say... for every individual on the front line, there are ten who have to be there to support them.
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gravybaby420 1/19/2023 5:45 PM
how did the 11b get fucking lyme disease
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it's the middle of winter
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change ur socks and ibuprofen
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gravybaby420 1/25/2023 8:39 AM
ANOTHER ONE?????
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WHAT THE FUCK??
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/25/2023 8:46 AM
lmao how
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gravybaby420 1/25/2023 9:13 AM
idk they must've fucked
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they went to the military hospital
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not my problem
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There is a lot of info I'd need too sensitive for this public a forum. But I could help with comm protocols and general roles and responsibilities. Creating organizational operations protocols is totally my bag. Though admittedly I try to keep it non-hierarchical.
Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 4:50 PM
Oh, I just saw this. I need to take you up on it.
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Steve Mike
Happy Veterans Day you crayon-eating grunts.
Really funny that I have your profile pic on my vest. šŸ»
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Sunshine
Really funny that I have your profile pic on my vest. šŸ»
Steve Mike 3/3/2023 9:46 AM
Haha yeah that's where mine came from too! It's currently on my assault pack
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#twinning
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Steve Mike
#twinning
Cowabunga Squad reporting for duty. šŸ˜‚ Squad Leader’s name is Leonardo. We could have legit codenames coinciding with the turtles. Why do I want this so bad?
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Steve Mike 3/3/2023 3:12 PM
Pizza Platoon
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Steve Mike
Pizza Platoon
Fuck… that is better
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Steve Mike 3/4/2023 8:17 AM
Well, within the Pizza Platoon you'll find the Cowabunga Squad, among others. Tubular Squad, Sewer Squad, etc
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or maybe it should be Cowabunga Company, and Sausage Squad
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Pepperoni Platoon
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lots of ways we could take this
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You know… Anti-Fascist Super Soldiers has 8 syllables just like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. With a little bit of creative adjustment on the OG lyrics, y’all could throw a theme together. Lol (edited)
10:36 PM
Little lame, but I like my jokes how I like my pizza.
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You know… Anti-Fascist Super Soldiers has 8 syllables just like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. With a little bit of creative adjustment on the OG lyrics, y’all could throw a theme together. Lol (edited)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/4/2023 10:41 PM
There's a patch for that.
10:42 PM
Not a vet btw. Just thought you might like to know.
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Nice! But it’s got to lean into that TMNT theme to really put it over the edge!
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Can I be pig man in Peperoni Squad - Cowabunga Company - Sewer Platoon? (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/7/2023 11:35 AM
Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity have ā€œopen access to spread conspiracy theories to U.S. troops," progressive PAC VoteVets warned in a damning ad.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/8/2023 5:02 PM
in lieu of my anarchistness, those US army bonuses are looking really fucking nice. if i wait to make sure trump isn’t reelected do y’all think it would be sane to be a combat medic? i don’t foresee deployment so i’m not really worried about being the fist of a fascist nation but things could change
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it would both provide me great medical training and military training, the latter which i especially want
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@Spinner I know you were in a similar situation though I’m in a waaaaay more privileged and well-off spot. What do you think?
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
in lieu of my anarchistness, those US army bonuses are looking really fucking nice. if i wait to make sure trump isn’t reelected do y’all think it would be sane to be a combat medic? i don’t foresee deployment so i’m not really worried about being the fist of a fascist nation but things could change
Absolutely not. 99% of combat medic work is pecker checking. Till it isn't. You get basically no hands on experience till you absolutely fucking needed that fucking experience right the fuck now.
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Go be an EMT in a city for a while if that's your goal.
5:58 PM
Alternatively take every free stop the bleed type class you can find online, invest in some wound simulators, and study A&P books from the library and watch product use videos on trauma care products.
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You'll get as good a training from learning on your own for our purposes as you would in the military, without patching up kids who were duped into killing other kids for wealthy psychopaths.
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Just every time you encounter a term, or practice, that you don't know, write it down to study on later. Work through the list.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/8/2023 6:02 PM
that's really helpful, thanks man.
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Go be an EMT in a city for a while if that's your goal.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/8/2023 6:02 PM
I'm actually planning on eventually going to Seattle or some other city, just want to stay here to get experience before moving on to something more intense.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
I'm actually planning on eventually going to Seattle or some other city, just want to stay here to get experience before moving on to something more intense.
Totally valid. I'm not meaning to knock things like Navy Hospital Corpsman "A" School or the "Green Corpsman" "C" schools... it's hard as fuck, and packs an entire RN curriculum into like 14 months, and trauma care nursing/EMT into like 6 months. I have no knowledge of Army Combat Medic schools. But not everyone can absorb that technical a knowledge in that short a period of time... nor is it really ideal to do so even if you can.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/8/2023 6:06 PM
My EMT instructor is an air force paramedic and his training course was 4 months
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Paramedic school is usually 2 years
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He was literally working an 18 hour shift with the local EMS agency as training then going to school the next day for basically 2 months straight. It sounds downright abusive ngl
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The information may be cutting edge, but the environment for learning is... not ideal.
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Absolutely not. 99% of combat medic work is pecker checking. Till it isn't. You get basically no hands on experience till you absolutely fucking needed that fucking experience right the fuck now.
Thank you for saying no. I tell everyone who thinks about joining to read ā€œWar is a Racketā€ by General Smedley Butler. He describes how fucked up it is to serve or even want to, along with how war exploits the shit out of the homefront. I love it so much as a piece of anti war prop. I’m surprised more marines don’t know about it considering we had to learn about the fact that Smedley Butler was one of the 2 marines who earned 2 medals of honor.
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And the fucking speech is 12 pages long. Not a lot to ask someone to read.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/9/2023 12:45 AM
it’s such a hard thing to de-indoctrinate myself with because basically until i became an anti-statist i always wanted to be in the military. I was in CAP, young marines, etc. Always a part of my life, especially since my father’s worked for the military all my life
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Thank you for saying no. I tell everyone who thinks about joining to read ā€œWar is a Racketā€ by General Smedley Butler. He describes how fucked up it is to serve or even want to, along with how war exploits the shit out of the homefront. I love it so much as a piece of anti war prop. I’m surprised more marines don’t know about it considering we had to learn about the fact that Smedley Butler was one of the 2 marines who earned 2 medals of honor.
A whole lot of Marines don't even know about General Butler in total... He's still a hero to them, but for all the wrong reasons. War is a Racket ought to be required reading in every highschool on earth in Freshman year... before the recruiters can get their claws in.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
it’s such a hard thing to de-indoctrinate myself with because basically until i became an anti-statist i always wanted to be in the military. I was in CAP, young marines, etc. Always a part of my life, especially since my father’s worked for the military all my life
I get it... I wanted to fly A-6s, because I believed that there was still a means to redeem the government... I joined for that and because I was dirt poor. Even after the shit I went through I held on to the belief the government could be redeemed. Once my VA claim was denied after a two year fight... I started to realize I was just a fucking pawn... not even a pawn... the gear I used and the ships I navigated and the zodiacs and PRBs I drove were more important to them than I was. Then I started reading more things... like War is a Racket... and I realized the truth of the US Military... it was purely, and unequivocally first and foremost a mercenary force for US Oligarchs to force other nations, and it's own people, into servitude in their capitalist extortion racket. Extorting our money and blood, to extort more money and blood from other people in other nations and ultimately to vampirically suck the entire world dry purely for their need to amass wealth humankind has never seen before.
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Sunshine
Thank you for saying no. I tell everyone who thinks about joining to read ā€œWar is a Racketā€ by General Smedley Butler. He describes how fucked up it is to serve or even want to, along with how war exploits the shit out of the homefront. I love it so much as a piece of anti war prop. I’m surprised more marines don’t know about it considering we had to learn about the fact that Smedley Butler was one of the 2 marines who earned 2 medals of honor.
AvoidOblivion 3/9/2023 12:42 PM
I just finished reading it. A very powerful speech. Much of its power comes from Butler's history with the military, as seeing a man who went through so much and showed such bravery and courage speak out against war and the US government and corporations who profit from it is quite strange. It does make sense though. Those who best know war are the ones who best understand how terrible a thing it is.
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Butler had good proposals too
6:46 PM
One of his solutions: If Congress wants to go to war, there must be a national referendum in which only people fit for military service and people who will be drafted in the event of a draft can vote
6:50 PM
Meaning these 50+ year old politicians and executives don't get a say because they won't be the ones fighting
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ā€œWhat percentage of the US military is conservative?ā€ is a common question among both civilians and soon-to-be service members.
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fromdefilade 3/15/2023 6:35 PM
Large percentage. Most all fb friends were at the least bigoted libertarians if not overt Christian nationalists. I had a post angry about cops walking through a neighborhood shooting less thans at people on their door steps and got called a pussy by a dude from mos school. Knew a guy who would go off about Jews in the smoke pit.
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see that's the thing
7:04 PM
that number dropped
7:04 PM
by a significant amount
7:04 PM
the antivaxers purge Llyod did helped forced a lot of them out
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fromdefilade 3/15/2023 7:19 PM
Oo good point, I admittedly didn’t read the link lol but I’ve seen how many got forced out that didn’t wanna get it
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Swiss Abolitionist 3/17/2023 11:06 PM
Personal experience is that separating leads to a shift to the left.
11:09 PM
When I was in I was a big libertarian Glenn Beck tea party type. After getting out in 09 I started my journey to the left. Not entirely sure what caused it but 2016 was the final shock I needed
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to quote a convo I had with a student-soldier I had in one of my classes (again, I myself am not a vet) "The desk jockeys and ones who haven't done that much fielding tend to lean right, while the ones who go to college and those who are in the front lines tend to be left very VERY quickly"
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
in lieu of my anarchistness, those US army bonuses are looking really fucking nice. if i wait to make sure trump isn’t reelected do y’all think it would be sane to be a combat medic? i don’t foresee deployment so i’m not really worried about being the fist of a fascist nation but things could change
There are active combat zones, all over the world that the US is still involved in and deploy members nowadays. I’m pretty sure they actually keep a running list, just look up all the areas were military receive imminent danger pay. (edited)
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the antivaxers purge Llyod did helped forced a lot of them out
You may not be stoked to hear about this then, but they basically reversed that decision. The members who were kicked out for that can rejoin, and the ones who faced adverse actions can have them expunged. On the upside, they have to go through the same readmission process as other prior service members, and those folks don’t get often get approved regardless of circumstances.
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You may not be stoked to hear about this then, but they basically reversed that decision. The members who were kicked out for that can rejoin, and the ones who faced adverse actions can have them expunged. On the upside, they have to go through the same readmission process as other prior service members, and those folks don’t get often get approved regardless of circumstances.
At the same head of the department who kicked them out in the first place. I'm pretty sure a majority of them have done something worth not readmission. They always do.
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Swiss Abolitionist 3/18/2023 12:45 PM
Or they underestimated how many chuds they'd let be brainwashed by non-stop airing of Fox News and Limbaugh overseas
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to quote a convo I had with a student-soldier I had in one of my classes (again, I myself am not a vet) "The desk jockeys and ones who haven't done that much fielding tend to lean right, while the ones who go to college and those who are in the front lines tend to be left very VERY quickly"
Tracks from my experience. But even the POG side has a majority of center to left...
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:36 PM
POG here, leaned more left (which, at the time, was pretty much saying DADT should go) than most and just tilted more over the years
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Allegedly Human
POG here, leaned more left (which, at the time, was pretty much saying DADT should go) than most and just tilted more over the years
DADT was a joke to us in the Navy... everyone knew our Executive Officer was queer as a 3 dollar bill, and the most liked guy on the ship was openly Bi. I don't think there was a single person who had a problem with either, except the XO kept a stable of hawaiian tropic type girls as a beard. XO was in the closet, the Hull Tech who was Bi was open about it. In fact we gave the XO more shit for being in the closet than anything. I think most of the guys I served with's reaction to someone coming out as trans would have been. "Dude don't blame ya. Fuck if I could be a woman I would too."
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Allegedly Human 3/24/2023 1:26 PM
I was in the Marines 04-13, lots of queer baiting. It was dumb, I was happy they dropped it in 2011.
1:27 PM
Group some male Marines together and leave them alone and see how long it takes before someone shouts, "it's not gay if you're wearing boot bands" or something like that
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Allegedly Human
Group some male Marines together and leave them alone and see how long it takes before someone shouts, "it's not gay if you're wearing boot bands" or something like that
Oh sure, it was all toxic all the time... but it at least aboard that ship none of it was hostile. But this was the 90's when all any woman would have to do to get you to fuck her was say "You aren't gay right? Because only a fag wouldn't want to fuck me."
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joe hill’s revenge 4/15/2023 4:55 PM
Would anyone be able to represent the veteran community at tomorrows general meeting? Date: Sunday 4/16 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: mutual aid (I got a list of people who seem to have connections, and we can probably put together a network), marketing, networking (National Lawyers Guild?)
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Sadly working tomorrow morning. Ironic because I am literally all about mutual aid.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/27/2023 12:19 PM
Public Meeting Date: Sunday 4/30 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: TBA
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Braakinthesaddle 6/13/2023 2:04 AM
https://twitter.com/thekayleelayton?t=2Dukm0ouDYeHFT5kbnxbTw&s=09 Does anyone know anybody at 29 Palms? This fascist is a USMC wife and he's stationed there. She publicly called for Biden's execution by USMC, and her husband has publicly come out in support of what she says. Edit: sorry if this is already known/has already been posted. I just learned about it tonight. (edited)
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Braakinthesaddle
https://twitter.com/thekayleelayton?t=2Dukm0ouDYeHFT5kbnxbTw&s=09 Does anyone know anybody at 29 Palms? This fascist is a USMC wife and he's stationed there. She publicly called for Biden's execution by USMC, and her husband has publicly come out in support of what she says. Edit: sorry if this is already known/has already been posted. I just learned about it tonight. (edited)
Has anybody sent it to the administration of the base or anyone higher up in the USMC? I'm pretty sure you get kicked out for saying that shit publicly
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Braakinthesaddle 6/13/2023 3:11 PM
I haven't had much chance to do further research into this just yet. Might spend some of my afternoon on it
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@Braakinthesaddle here’s a resource for you. https://www.ncis.navy.mil/Resources/NCIS-Tips/
2:07 AM
The specific office you will likely need is this one; MARINE CORPS WEST FIELD OFFICE 120101 DE LUZ ROAD BOX 555238 CAMP PENDLETON CA 92055 PHONE: 760-725-5158 DSN: 365-5158 The Marine Corps West Field Office (MWFO) is located in northern San Diego County aboard Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, California. The Marine Corps West Field Office supports Marine Corps Installations West, the First Marine Expeditionary Force, and eight bases/stations in the southwestern United States. Subordinate offices: NCISRA Camp Pendleton, California; NCISRA Yuma, Arizona; NCISRA Miramar, California; NCISRA Twentynine Palms, California; and NCISRU Fallon, Nevada.
2:11 AM
If you got screen caps and include them, it almost definitely get followed up.
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Braakinthesaddle 6/14/2023 2:55 AM
It would appear that several people who saw the OP on various social media platforms have already been in contact with the 29 Palms NCIS. The dumbass used her real name in emails and other correspondence threatening to dox people (a misdemeanor in CA), so add that to the list
2:56 AM
She has also deleted her Twitter in the time since I posted that first link.
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They're about to experience the long dick of the UCMJ. Rarely does it arrive lubed.
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Aravarth
They're about to experience the long dick of the UCMJ. Rarely does it arrive lubed.
I believe the specific term the marines like to use for when someone about to get screwed is the green weenie. šŸ˜† (edited)
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