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Skullmaggot 7/5/2022 11:06 PM
@Rose Liberty @TheAnonymousDew @Doctor Eval Hello, I have a Human Resources role for the American Iron Front Collaboration Discord. There are a number of people skilled in research. What sort of research do you see yourself doing? What sort of information can you collect/analyze?
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Doctor Eval 7/5/2022 11:19 PM
I can do anything, we just need to identify a goal
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oh I am going to love this channel
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NordicThor_ 7/5/2022 11:33 PM
I’m super down for researching historical things. I know it’s not super vital to the cause, but we’ve seen this before, amirite?
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TheAnonymousDew 7/5/2022 11:59 PM
I can do historical research, while it is true that history doesn't repeat itself, it often rhymes. Also, in order to defeat an enemy, you must know your enemy
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I have a request: Can someone research what happened to the old iron front and then TDLR for us? Lol
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Marusya
I have a request: Can someone research what happened to the old iron front and then TDLR for us? Lol
TheAnonymousDew 7/6/2022 12:04 AM
You do realize that an alliance between the Nazis and KPD destroyed them
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TheAnonymousDew
You do realize that an alliance between the Nazis and KPD destroyed them
No I didn’t, that’s why I’m asking. Good to know
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I found a project tracking right-wing telegram networks (edited)
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I can reproduce this, and the data is explorable in gexf format
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which is a node/graph format that can be analyzed with open source tools
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it's really useful for finding "private" and "secret" telegram channels
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TheAnonymousDew 7/6/2022 12:08 AM
Good to know
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Question; Would a guide on a history of religious violence be useful?
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Or research data (i.e: Maps and charts)
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 12:09 AM
I'm more interested in making maps of the patriot front march routes
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there's a pattern to their selection of cities
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and I think there's a pattern in the dates, too
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would love some help
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Doctor Eval
I'm more interested in making maps of the patriot front march routes
How can I help?
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John Paul Jones 7/6/2022 8:31 AM
@Doctor Eval I've been mapping street routes for my local racists. If you need help, I can help you out.
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This is my map I have been putting together. You can tell I live near Knoxville currently but I have been expanding out.
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I really think we need an extra step of security before we start posting information like this.
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I understand it is perfectly legal, but I feel we should not let these groups know we are onto them
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How can I help?
Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 10:07 AM
I was thinking probably the best way to do this would be to create a shared Google map using the my maps feature, and then scrub through news articles and photographs / videos to piece together where they went and when
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 10:13 AM
If I remember right, ESRI has a free online mapping system, pretty much a watered down version of ArcMap. I don’t know shit about its security or anything though
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 10:21 AM
I think what we need is the ability to collaborate on a map. Are there any mapping or map annotation services out there besides Google maps that allows you to share and collaborate?
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 10:23 AM
That ESRI software does. I’ve used it in my job quite a few times with coworkers collaborating. I don’t know if it can be done simultaneously like google docs and such though
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 10:31 AM
ill check it out
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That ESRI software does. I’ve used it in my job quite a few times with coworkers collaborating. I don’t know if it can be done simultaneously like google docs and such though
Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 10:32 AM
does this cost money?
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 10:34 AM
It’s been a few years since I’ve used it, but I believe it’s free. I’ll check into it as well.
NordicThor_ started a thread. 7/6/2022 10:43 AM
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 12:25 PM
Also, I wasn’t really sure where to put this (cross-posting in literature) but there’s a really cool podcast called “Sounds Like Hate.” They speak with people who have been involved in hate groups about how they got sucked in and all that. Really interesting listen!
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Skullmaggot 7/6/2022 11:22 PM
@Doctor Eval Think you can database common heritage markers and sites in the US? I suppose we need to identify things/buildings to protect as well as people.
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@Doctor Eval Think you can database common heritage markers and sites in the US? I suppose we need to identify things/buildings to protect as well as people.
Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 11:22 PM
I don't understand your idea
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Skullmaggot 7/6/2022 11:25 PM
@Doctor Eval Sorry, I was wondering in order to protect the things like the Georgia Guidestones, symbols of our shared humanity as you said, we need to know what those are around the country. I then was thinking more broadly that there’re probably any number of objects or buildings that may need some sort of protection.
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 11:26 PM
you're asking for a potential target list - there are too many
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Skullmaggot 7/6/2022 11:26 PM
Yeah. The inverted question is monitoring what sites fascists would be currently targeting.
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 11:27 PM
a better solution would be osint & machine learning @ scale (edited)
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would be cool if we had some sort of ingestion pipeline
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that allows us to ingest intel from various osint sources
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and democratize the access to the data to encourage researchers to use new data techniques to discover intel of interest
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I've done a project like this before
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but it was expensive, and deeply depressing work
11:29 PM
sorting through hate comments on right wing servers is not my idea of "fun"
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Skullmaggot 7/6/2022 11:31 PM
@Doctor Eval Haaa. I get people people, if you need help with stuff. It looks like everybody who’s regular here is finding something to do for now. Might need to wait till there’s a more solid identity we can then use to network, recruit, and grow.
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@Doctor Eval But! We do have a number of programmers.
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 11:32 PM
I'm just going to start architecting an osint ingestion pipeline
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and see where I end up
11:33 PM
companies like this exist: https://www.sparverius.co/
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Skullmaggot 7/6/2022 11:33 PM
@Doctor Eval Okay. You’ve been helping @WojtektheBear with stuff? Is that private?
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 11:34 PM
There are some other nonprofit counter domestic terrorism orgs, too (edited)
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Marusya
I have a request: Can someone research what happened to the old iron front and then TDLR for us? Lol
austinwiltshire 7/6/2022 11:34 PM
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I was going for "good day to die" vibes there and that's the best giphy would give me
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Skullmaggot
@Doctor Eval Okay. You’ve been helping @WojtektheBear with stuff? Is that private?
WojtektheBear 7/6/2022 11:36 PM
Not yet
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Skullmaggot 7/6/2022 11:36 PM
K
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Doctor Eval 7/7/2022 12:01 AM
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Skullmaggot
Yeah. The inverted question is monitoring what sites fascists would be currently targeting.
That monument was Target because a politician called it out on social media. I think it may be better to become hyper aware of red flag signals from the right.
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Doctor Eval 7/7/2022 10:35 AM
they've been targeting taht monument for months
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austinwiltshire 7/7/2022 11:31 AM
Whats that front end written in? Is the backend looker or something similar?
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austinwiltshire
Whats that front end written in? Is the backend looker or something similar?
Doctor Eval 7/7/2022 11:36 AM
Backend services can be anything - the important thing is the submission api
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Whats that front end written in? Is the backend looker or something similar?
Doctor Eval 7/7/2022 11:37 AM
Storage layer is google bigquery
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Google Data Studio can be used to build the dashboards and charts
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Skullmaggot 7/7/2022 12:52 PM
@birb Oh that’s good info.
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WojtektheBear 7/8/2022 3:35 PM
These types of motherfuckers are people we should be keeping tabs on: https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1545490131976593408?s=21&t=Z6MPnH8zlm5Tn3lhvQeTsw
Christian hate-preacher Cameron Hall says gay people should be "shot in the back of the head. Or the front of the head. I don't really care. Multiple times in the head." He calls it an "evolution of stoning" since a bullet is just "a really fast lead rock."
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@Doctor Eval heard you were looking for help
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Dm me with details
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 2:49 PM
and i oop
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 5:10 PM
@Doctor Eval @RaiseRuntimeError is looking to help with your project.
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Doctor Eval
and i oop
RaiseRuntimeError 7/9/2022 5:13 PM
oh ok, this is what i though you were doing with OpenCV or something. This helps with that message i sent in the thread in #job-board
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Doctor Eval 7/10/2022 1:56 PM
doing a little experiment with the limited dataset we've annotated
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Doctor Eval 7/10/2022 7:10 PM
needs more work, but it's already performing reasonably well
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Doctor Eval
doing a little experiment with the limited dataset we've annotated
Very very cool stuff
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Doctor Eval
needs more work, but it's already performing reasonably well
Holy shit
9:56 PM
I mentioned something in a another channel, but flyers may have a dot matrix that offers time, date, and serial number of the printer that was used.
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Imagine that every time you print a document, it automatically includes a secret code that could be used to identify the printer -- and, potentially, the person who used it. Sounds like something from a spy movie, right?
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They do, that's why I recommend people to print it at work or a library
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They do, that's why I recommend people to print it at work or a library
Doctor Eval 7/10/2022 11:57 PM
Work is a bad idea, but the library is a great idea
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Other good places include college campuses, print and fax locations where you can pay cash
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Skullmaggot 7/11/2022 1:51 AM
This reminds me what China does. @Doctor Eval You need more people, right? I’m just going to keep sending people your way until you tell me to stop.
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Skullmaggot
This reminds me what China does. @Doctor Eval You need more people, right? I’m just going to keep sending people your way until you tell me to stop.
Doctor Eval 7/11/2022 1:51 AM
It's exactly what China does
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Skullmaggot
This reminds me what China does. @Doctor Eval You need more people, right? I’m just going to keep sending people your way until you tell me to stop.
Doctor Eval 7/11/2022 1:52 AM
Yeah I still need more people to help with image collection and annotation
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Skullmaggot 7/11/2022 1:52 AM
Okie dokie.
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But, everybody I’ve sent is helping so far? I think TURNIP2020 wanted to maybe do his own thing with video.
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Doctor Eval
Other good places include college campuses, print and fax locations where you can pay cash
And if you do it at those locations, go Grey man and wear a mask, but that's me being paranoid
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Doctor Eval 7/11/2022 5:56 AM
@TURNIP2020 what you working on bruh?
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Doctor Eval
Yeah I still need more people to help with image collection and annotation
RaiseRuntimeError 7/11/2022 8:02 AM
What's a good way to annotate and share large files of video?
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RaiseRuntimeError
What's a good way to annotate and share large files of video?
Doctor Eval 7/11/2022 9:58 AM
If you have video of a protest that contains a significant amount of AIF threats, please go ahead and send it to me
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I have a tool that I can use to extract frames from the video, and then we can annotate those frames
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Skullmaggot 7/11/2022 11:33 AM
@Doctor Eval I’ve been asked what the use of your project is. What will it be used for, specifically?
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Skullmaggot
@Doctor Eval I’ve been asked what the use of your project is. What will it be used for, specifically?
Doctor Eval 7/11/2022 11:34 AM
From the annotation documentation # Welcome, AIF operative. This annotation project exists to help us build an AI-based live object detection system for live camera feeds and drones operating in protest environments. The purpose of this tool is to allow AIF operators on foot to acquire rapid, real-time intelligence in transitional spaces and dynamic threat environments. Specifically, we are trying to optimize for detecting threats of potential interest to AIF. ## Potential use cases for this tool include: * Protest movement coordination to avoid kettles and other traps. * Crowdsourced collection and classification of potentially valuable legal evidence. * Other use cases will likely be identified in the course of research. ## Threats of potential interest are identified as: * Police * Fascists * Firearms * Other classes are likely to be identified in the course of research. *Doctor Eval*
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Skullmaggot 7/11/2022 11:37 AM
@Doctor Eval Thank you. This isn’t necessarily used to get around black bloc, correct?
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Doctor Eval 7/11/2022 11:37 AM
no. I don't want black bloc annotated in the data, but people started doing it anyway, so I was like 🤷‍♂️ - I can filter out those annotations in the final dataset
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it could be interesting to be able to detect the location and movements of black bloc in real time, but that is too easily weaponized against our interests
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so I would strongly prefer to keep those annotations out of the dataset
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Doctor Eval 7/11/2022 11:48 AM
thanks
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Skullmaggot 7/11/2022 12:07 PM
@Uhtred Doctor Eval, researcher, talks about not annotating black bloc above.
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Doctor Eval 7/11/2022 12:35 PM
for clarification - we should have images of black bloc - but we should not annotate them
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if we have images and videos that contain black bloc, we annotate all the things in the image that isn't black bloc
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the result is that the ai will learn to ignore black bloc
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with regard to existing annotations, I can filter out all black bloc annotations before I create a new version of the dataset
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which is currently what I'm doing
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we should just avoid creating those annotations though
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no reason to have them
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its more work, and we don't want that data to exist
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Doctor Eval
the result is that the ai will learn to ignore black bloc
NordicThor_ 7/11/2022 1:50 PM
Shit’s fucking wild. Well done!
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WojtektheBear 7/11/2022 2:08 PM
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HoustonInHouston 7/11/2022 2:36 PM
Oh, I need some from Texas to monitor.
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Thanks. Any chance you’ve got the TX one? They’ve been in Houston
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@Doctor Eval Why is this bizarre machine learning project something this organization is involved in? From you humble-bragging about your silicone valley molly orgy in our meeting to presenting this easily weaponized, functionally useless, and impossibly developed ambition to this organization I am highly doubtful that this is worth anyone's time beyond your own. I have every red flag going in my head and have no idea why no one else has spoken against this at this point. If this is your pet project, good for you. I don't think we should be promoting it here or enlisting members in its development without a vote on whether or not it is okay. I am certainly not okay with it.
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Lol oh boy
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@Doctor Eval Why is this bizarre machine learning project something this organization is involved in? From you humble-bragging about your silicone valley molly orgy in our meeting to presenting this easily weaponized, functionally useless, and impossibly developed ambition to this organization I am highly doubtful that this is worth anyone's time beyond your own. I have every red flag going in my head and have no idea why no one else has spoken against this at this point. If this is your pet project, good for you. I don't think we should be promoting it here or enlisting members in its development without a vote on whether or not it is okay. I am certainly not okay with it.
Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 3:46 AM
I also do mediation, if you feel any need to resolve a conflict.
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Can you make a point instead of pouring out a gut reflex?
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Skullmaggot
I also do mediation, if you feel any need to resolve a conflict.
Sure thing. I just felt the need to speak my mind as I have been rubbed the wrong way since the unprofessional and bizarre storytelling in the meeting to this project being pitched in the job board.
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birb
Can you make a point instead of pouring out a gut reflex?
I have made my point.
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Shit point in my opinion.
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You have a bad feeling and it drives you to disrespect an individual.
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Good point.
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birb
You have a bad feeling and it drives you to disrespect an individual.
Actually he disrespected me and others by telling his tech-bro silicone valley orgy story in our meeting. And I doubt the utility of this tool and doubt even more-so that Iron Front should have anything to do with it without any input from its membership. (edited)
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mr.rogers
Actually he disrespected me and others by telling his tech-bro silicone valley orgy story in our meeting. And I doubt the utility of this tool and doubt even more-so that Iron Front should have anything to do with it without any input from its membership. (edited)
Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 3:50 AM
What do you think the utility of the tool is?
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I'm not aware of this story. Could you give me a bit of çontext?
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birb
I'm not aware of this story. Could you give me a bit of çontext?
In an attempt to inflate his ego after sharing his credentials post-design meeting, he thought it was necessary to tell those remaining about how when he was working in Silicone Valley he was involved in an orgy that included purchasing molly from someone and diving into the "cuddle puddle".
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Skullmaggot
What do you think the utility of the tool is?
The presumed utility is threat assessments during protests that will help those on the ground maintain awareness of what is occurring on the macro-level. I highly doubt the pragmatism and scope of this utility. Beyond my personal doubt is the fact that such an undertaking should not be promoted or pursued by this organization without the input of its members.
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mr.rogers
In an attempt to inflate his ego after sharing his credentials post-design meeting, he thought it was necessary to tell those remaining about how when he was working in Silicone Valley he was involved in an orgy that included purchasing molly from someone and diving into the "cuddle puddle".
And that was an attempt to attack or offend you?
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birb
And that was an attempt to attack or offend you?
I'm not going to argue this. If this is the level of professionalism that is maintained during meetings here I have no interest in being involved. You don't need to intend to offend to offend. It is offensive and completely unnecessary to share during a meeting regarding design.
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mr.rogers
I'm not going to argue this. If this is the level of professionalism that is maintained during meetings here I have no interest in being involved. You don't need to intend to offend to offend. It is offensive and completely unnecessary to share during a meeting regarding design.
Have you ever thought of someone's mental spectrum before going on a tangent and painting them to be a bad person?
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And no one is holding you here. I'd rather work with someone who has passion than just attacks other members because of a gut feel...
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mr.rogers
@Doctor Eval Why is this bizarre machine learning project something this organization is involved in? From you humble-bragging about your silicone valley molly orgy in our meeting to presenting this easily weaponized, functionally useless, and impossibly developed ambition to this organization I am highly doubtful that this is worth anyone's time beyond your own. I have every red flag going in my head and have no idea why no one else has spoken against this at this point. If this is your pet project, good for you. I don't think we should be promoting it here or enlisting members in its development without a vote on whether or not it is okay. I am certainly not okay with it.
Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 3:59 AM
Enjoy your lonely safe space.. I'm going to be doing cool shit
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To accuse me of operating on a gut feel even though this occurred days ago and I deliberated bringing it up since is ridiculous. Nor have I said "this person is a bad person". I have said it was unprofessional and I am doubting the involvement of this project in this organization. I will not be debating this further in this channel.
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Doctor Eval
Enjoy your lonely safe space.. I'm going to be doing cool shit
Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 3:59 AM
I would ask you to please not be antagonistic.
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Doctor Eval
Enjoy your lonely safe space.. I'm going to be doing cool shit
Wonderful.
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Skullmaggot
I would ask you to please not be antagonistic.
Oh, but you will allow accusations...
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:00 AM
Not trying to be antagonistic. If this guy thinks I'm a braggard and doesn't want to play with my toys that's great
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I have more important things to focus on
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:01 AM
No, because that is also being antagonistic. But, disagreements happen. I would just like to push them towards a language of respect.
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Respect is the problem here.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:01 AM
I see no conflict. They don't like me. I am ambivalent towards them https://c.tenor.com/dujrW61Bbg0AAAAM/elmo-shrug.gif
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:02 AM
@mr.rogers How do you want to continue?
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Lol that's not helping
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:03 AM
Namecalling doesn’t help. Inferences about what people are thinking also don’t help.
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@mr.rogers How do you want to continue?
I have no interest in continuing. My concerns are maintaining professionalism during meetings and ensuring projects presented to members are within the scope and decision-making process of the organization.
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If this is a concern of the organization I believe it should be considered.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:05 AM
I'm going back to sleep (edited)
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There was name calling?
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mr.rogers
Actually he disrespected me and others by telling his tech-bro silicone valley orgy story in our meeting. And I doubt the utility of this tool and doubt even more-so that Iron Front should have anything to do with it without any input from its membership. (edited)
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:05 AM
You just got here lmao
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:05 AM
Currently we are at the stage of a Discord server, less than three weeks old. People are getting to know each other, and a culture of respect and professionalism has not been created.
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@mr.rogers If you would like to create professionalism, then that is a project we can move towards.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:06 AM
I made the mistake of having a personality and life story in front of a stranger.
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WojtektheBear
You just got here lmao
Very cliquey, cool.
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mr.rogers
Very cliquey, cool.
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:07 AM
Bahaha
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You have a gut feel about that, too?
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:07 AM
@Doctor Eval People have different expectations.
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So, do people want some professionalism?
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I don't think you're helping.
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birb
You have a gut feel about that, too?
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:08 AM
Anyone that barges in as if other people haven’t been doing AIF stuff forever snd automatically being difficult to work with make themselves readily apparent
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Did I anticipate an anti-fascist organization that presumes to grow its scope and grow a movement would maintain a level of professionalism during their meetings? Yes.
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:09 AM
How do people want to work together is my question.
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mr.rogers
Did I anticipate an anti-fascist organization that presumes to grow its scope and grow a movement would maintain a level of professionalism during their meetings? Yes.
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:09 AM
What’s the basis of this power trip
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:09 AM
What meeting bro? We were hanging out bullshitting. The meeting was over
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Unfortunately in raising my completely valid concerns I have been approached in a childish and further disrespectful manner.
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WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:10 AM
I’m not gonna scroll up but just based on your imperious tone
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mr.rogers
Unfortunately in raising my completely valid concerns I have been approached in a childish and further disrespectful manner.
You attacked a member over a gut feeling
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WojtektheBear
What’s the basis of this power trip
Power trip?
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WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:10 AM
See I even used a big boy word
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Walking and talking like you own the place
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WojtektheBear
Walking and talking like you own the place
I'm pretty sure I have advocated for democratic decision-making and professionalism.
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You know what I do when someone offends me? I fucking message them and tell them what they did hurt my feels. I don't air out my feelings in front of the group.
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What did you expect?
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:11 AM
WojtektheBear, though I don’t own the place, I still do think that to organize people, there ought to be a working relationship.
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That shit is disrespectful
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mr.rogers
I'm pretty sure I have advocated for democratic decision-making and professionalism.
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:12 AM
We are a big tent and decentralized org get that through your skull first
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Skullmaggot
WojtektheBear, though I don’t own the place, I still do think that to organize people, there ought to be a working relationship.
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:12 AM
What are you trying to say
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:12 AM
I have an idea. If this guy doesn't like me, he should stop talking to/about me. If he doesn't like my project, he should ignore it. Boom. Problem resolution
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WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:12 AM
Once again I ask for context
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:12 AM
I want to figure out how to be effective together
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Skullmaggot
I want to figure out how to be effective together
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:12 AM
Stand back
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 4:12 AM
Ok
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WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:14 AM
From what I gather a guy talked about himself
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:14 AM
If there's one thing I've learned it's that no good deed goes unpunished
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WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:14 AM
Lol
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Like giving basic background information after talking about a project
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OSINT is a form of antifascist action I’m just so puzzled lol
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:14 AM
Or just hanging out and being friendly and telling stupid stories
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Doctor Eval
Or just hanging out and being friendly and telling stupid stories
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:15 AM
Yeah who’s wearing a suit on discord
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Either this person is a troll and is trying to disrupt progress or lacks conflict resolving skills and is used to getting a way from a tantrum.
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WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:15 AM
Shit I’m like kinda stoned rn anyways does that make me unprofessional as volunteers admin organizer?
4:16 AM
Like we’re all volunteers my dude there’s an extent to which that’s absurd
4:17 AM
We’re not colleagues we’re comrades and compatriots
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:18 AM
I've felt this criticism before. From concern trolls, and people with no power or agency. They don't believe what they themselves haven't lived, and they'll tell you a million reasons not to do something, but never how to do something. I frankly don't have time for it
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I have two points. 1. There is a happy medium between being "suited" and sharing unsolicited drug-fueled orgy tales. 2. Projects soliciting work from members should be agreed upon by the members to be within the scope of an organizations goals. But now being accused of "having no power or agency" to being a "concern troll" and being in a "safe space" for making these points I am doubtful that it matters too much what my points are.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:22 AM
1. I apologize for offending you with my story. 2. Everyone working on my project agreed to do so of their own volition. I never accused you of anything. Read again.
4:23 AM
You should tell me about all the cool AIF projects you're interested in. All the awesome stuff you're working on
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mr.rogers
I have two points. 1. There is a happy medium between being "suited" and sharing unsolicited drug-fueled orgy tales. 2. Projects soliciting work from members should be agreed upon by the members to be within the scope of an organizations goals. But now being accused of "having no power or agency" to being a "concern troll" and being in a "safe space" for making these points I am doubtful that it matters too much what my points are.
Why is point 1. related to point 2?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:24 AM
So I can see examples of what it looks like to do safe projects (edited)
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If Doctor Eval never offended you, would point 2 exist?
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Doctor Eval
You should tell me about all the cool AIF projects you're interested in. All the awesome stuff you're working on
You're operating I'm bad faith and frankly just being a dick. I have just joined the organization and have offered to work on the website. I also do mutual aid in my community.
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birb
If Doctor Eval never offended you, would point 2 exist?
I would've made point 2 independent of point 1.
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But you didn't...
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Ugh.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:26 AM
Yeah I'm over this. Not my monkey, not my zoo
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mr.rogers
You're operating I'm bad faith and frankly just being a dick. I have just joined the organization and have offered to work on the website. I also do mutual aid in my community.
I would ask you not to call anyone here names.
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I don't care how much your feelings are hurt, it's not nice.
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It's not "professional"
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birb
It's not "professional"
Bad faith upon bad faith upon bad faith. Goodbye.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:27 AM
Bye
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mr.rogers
You're operating I'm bad faith and frankly just being a dick. I have just joined the organization and have offered to work on the website. I also do mutual aid in my community.
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:27 AM
Why do you think OSINT isnt mutual aid
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birb
I don't care how much your feelings are hurt, it's not nice.
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:28 AM
Yeah he’s obviously a hypocrite
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I just find it ripe you have claimed not to be antagonistic while antagonizing me the entire time.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:28 AM
Let him go. This kind of shit is how you get leftist infighting, and leftist infighting is how fascists win
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WojtektheBear
Yeah he’s obviously a hypocrite
I said he was being a dick by grandstanding on me for my personal involvement.
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mr.rogers
I said he was being a dick by grandstanding on me for my personal involvement.
I guess you're the only one allowed to grandstand then?
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mr.rogers
I said he was being a dick by grandstanding on me for my personal involvement.
WojtektheBear 7/13/2022 4:29 AM
I mean he was
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 4:29 AM
Grandstanding? Are you okay bro? This is starting to sound like a "ran out of lithium" situation
4:30 AM
Fuck it, I'm up. I'll go write some actual thoughts on an actual keyboard
4:36 AM
Ok, I'm going to try to settle this: @mr.rogers with all due respect: The fact that you don't like my personality bears no weight on anything. That you would attack me for telling a story you didn't like only serves to make me distrust you and question your motives. About the project. I'm not doing anything dangerous or illegal. This is my personal project, and nobody is obligated to participate. If you don't like it, don't participate. That you are attacking my project and citing my personality in your reasoning causes me to be even more suspect of your motives. Ultimately, I honestly don't care what you think. I do cool shit. This project falls under "cool shit". I'm going to work on it with help from the community, or by myself. Either way it will get done. In closing, cool opinion, bro.
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Braakinthesaddle 7/13/2022 4:48 AM
Dr. Eval, thank you for acknowledging and apologizing for the offense even if it was not intended. I for one am very appreciative of your skills, as mine fall in very different categories. Mr Rogers, Campmods, I would greatly appreciate it if you would both take a step back from this. Mr Rogers, if you do not want to be involved in the particular project that Docter Eval is developing, you are welcome to not be involved. If you feel that another member has offended you, in the future, please discuss it with them in a DM as Campmods mentioned. Also, attacking someone for their personality in public then claiming to want to work with professionals is objectively hypocritical. I do also appreciate your abilities and think that you can be a valuable asset. Campmods, in the future please refrain from attempting to ostracize or flippantly respond to people who express offense. Mr Rogers was addressing his original comment to Doctor Eval, and despite its public nature, your initial involvement did not help the matter, nor did the hand-waving emojis. I don't expect everyone in this group to like each other, but it is my hope that everyone is able to contribute however they are able, regardless of personality conflicts. That's how true professional organizations are successful. To conclude, please remain respectful of one another, do not engage in public finger-pointing or name-calling, and let's always remember that we have enough people who want to fight against us on the outside; we don't need to help them by fighting inside. Now, I'm going to sleep, as it is 2 am on the west coast. Good night all, may things run more smoothly tomorrow.
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Nah. I don't like bullies and that person was being an absolute asshole. MrRogers had intent to cause disruption by grandstanding his emotions about Dr Eval, and boy did this user succeed. Conflict resolution must be a part of this server or it will fail. Rules apparently need to be set because some folks never learned how to resolve their emotions without broadcasting them to the world and making a bigger issue out of something little. I get something might be said may be offensive, it's going to happen when we all have access to a same space of discourse. We also need to have rules to resolve these small conflicts. My issue is we do not know the person on the other side. I'm not making assumptions about anyone, but some folks are on different mental spectrums so they might act or some some stuff that is not okay, but is unintentional. We can't just fucking assume we are all on the same wave lengths. Admin and moderators need to shut that down real fast and intervene because I won't sit back and let it happen when I see it, fuck that. We all have a common goal and I don't have the emotional restraint for bullies when I'm already pissed off at fascist bullshit in my life. Cheers.
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Doctor Eval
1. I apologize for offending you with my story. 2. Everyone working on my project agreed to do so of their own volition. I never accused you of anything. Read again.
Regardless of the story and infighting, I do think a valid concern was brought up that we haven't discussed the utilization of this software and components and how it can potentially be utilized against us in the hands of other people/groups and narcs. I would love to discuss it as our safety is of the upmost importance, but can you truly guarantee that this tech won't be used against us? The annotations are-albeit unintentionally or nonmaliciously, being provided, yes? Maybe you addressed it and I missed it, but I do see a potential OPSEC issue there and can understand how one may view that as a problem.
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Maybe we should take a step back and try to discuss that more thoroughly at the least (edited)
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:03 AM
What is the threat to us?
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People scared of AI?
9:05 AM
We are not building a nuke here.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:06 AM
@Snaggy
9:08 AM
If I'm honest I feel like there's a lack of understanding around what the project is, what we're doing, and what it's capable of
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AND I don't want to have to justify myself over and over
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Doctor Eval
If I'm honest I feel like there's a lack of understanding around what the project is, what we're doing, and what it's capable of
Isnt it you who should be providing that clarity instead of taking it personally though? Not trying to be a jerk but i asked as well and was referred to the right sub. It helped but with an absence of vetting any of us, i do see the concern personally
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:12 AM
I would love to answer direct questions about it. What I'm not interested in doing is sitting at trial defending myself and my project
9:14 AM
Here's a good question: How could this tech potentially be used against us?
9:15 AM
That's a worthwhile conversational prompt. It's not loaded with opinion or subtext
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Are you planning to distribute this project in the future?
9:16 AM
Or is it more of a personal thing
9:16 AM
I understand what it is, just unsure what will be done with it
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:16 AM
Parts of it yes.. Not the core AI capability. That's going to be controlled somehow. Not sure how yet
9:18 AM
I'm going to be writing some kind of software program to do the actual mapping and such
9:19 AM
But I don't want to distribute the vision model.
9:19 AM
That by itself would be too dangerous
9:19 AM
I'm trying to significantly reduce the danger of that model leaking by not including certain classes (edited)
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:20 AM
Reading through the backlog of text. wow that was fun lol. I think one issue is AI and programming in general is arcane enough that there is some distrust in the subject (edited)
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:21 AM
Humans fear with they don't understand
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:23 AM
Now that things have been rattled a bit i think we can have a good conversation though. I like your question "How could this tech be used against us?" Answer: we dont release the AI model and limit its scope to just the domains that cant be used against us.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:23 AM
That is my approach as of this moment yes
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:24 AM
and thats what i assumed but im a programmer
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:24 AM
I still have no idea how I'm actually going to make this model available to people who need to use it while at the same time not making it available to people who shouldn't have it
9:24 AM
But I can solve that later.
9:24 AM
I was thinking maybe an API service? And RTSP streaming service?
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You stream the video in the RTSP, we stream it back with annotations maybe? Maybe it's a website that automatically generates the maps and stuff for you? I don't know
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:25 AM
I am more of a fan of an API but the issue is speed
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:25 AM
You know it would be cool? RTSP Plus web sockets
9:26 AM
snitch.tv
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Lol
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:26 AM
I dont have any experience with RTSP but it could work
9:27 AM
have you messed with Octoprint for 3d printers?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:27 AM
Yeah.
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:30 AM
it uses a super simple protocol to stream video back to the browser, that could be used for a web interface. Every phone can just view the stream and the central server could serve whatever images it wants. Say like a renders map with markers for the cops and people with guns
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:30 AM
Sorry I have to go on a bit of a diataribe here. If you don't feel like this statement applies to you, please ignore it. Man I'll tell you what, it really pisses me off that it feels like every time I try to do something cool there's always a community of naysayers at the ready telling you why I shouldn't do it or why I can't do it or why it shouldn't be done or some shit like that. I've never asked anyone for permission to do anything in my life that was important. You know why? Because if I sat around and waited for permission and consensus I never would have done anything cool. I wouldn't have a career. I wouldn't have a wife. I wouldn't be living in a different state than the state I grew up in. I am so sick and tired of being told what I should and shouldn't do by people who largely spend their whole life doing fucking nothing.
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:33 AM
Same, best friends calling me a nerd in high school for programming micro controllers. If i listened i wouldnt be a programmer working from home doing what i want to do every day as a job.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:34 AM
I'm not immune from criticism, and I'm not opposed to having reasonable conversations about stuff - but I am not willing to be attacked. I'm not willing to be put on trial. And I'm sure as fuck not going to stop doing awesome shit because someone got their panties in a bunch.
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RaiseRuntimeError
have you messed with Octoprint for 3d printers?
I was about to mention this lol
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birb
I was about to mention this lol
Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:38 AM
yeah I have some experience with that
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:39 AM
ok i think i found the library that Octoprint uses https://pypi.org/project/py-mjpeg/
MJPEG Streaming Tools
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I helped beta some AI software for recognizing failed prints.
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:40 AM
oh perfect
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:40 AM
neat
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I am in contact with one of the devs if you want I can reach out
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:41 AM
me or @RaiseRuntimeError ?
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Their service streams to their server which returns with data
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:41 AM
oohhhhh
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:41 AM
hmmm. the video stream fidelity necessary to detect print fails is a lot lower than....
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hold on...
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brain windows_loading
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Chooo choooooooo
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:41 AM
ok
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yeah
9:42 AM
thats a good idea
9:42 AM
api server is fast enough, because detection doesn't need to be 60fps
9:42 AM
detection only needs to be < 1 minute (edited)
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ill even say < 10 s
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ill spend some more time noodling
9:43 AM
but I think you're on to something
9:43 AM
next problem is obv - if it's hosted, where?
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How much horse power do you need?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:44 AM
not a lot
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:44 AM
Its a really simple protocol too which in my opinion is a bonus. Messed around with it for a while making a Magic Mirror that displayed my 3d print jobs
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:44 AM
training is expensive, detection is cheap
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But a good connection I would assume
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:44 AM
hmmm
9:45 AM
assume that we would be uploading 1 frame per second for detection - these fpv cameras are more or less 480p - or maybe 720p
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so connection doesn't need to be too strong
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:45 AM
yeah i suspect a basic EC2 or digital ocean droplet would be fine. Its just bandwidth and latency that needs to be kept in check
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:46 AM
I personally like google cloud, but there's also the anonymity aspect
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:47 AM
Need court orders to take it down, its not illegal but staying anonymous is always good
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:47 AM
well, anything is illegal is the DA decides it is
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Doctor Eval
That by itself would be too dangerous
Yeah that's what I was getting at
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:49 AM
we can worry about that when the time comes though. getting something running an up in the air would be more important
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:50 AM
right, prototype and proving the concept is my current priority
9:50 AM
we can independently validate the different parts of this project
9:50 AM
1. detection model 2. DIY cheap as dirt drone
9:50 AM
I'm working both at the same time, but that's because I like to make my life difficult
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Doctor Eval
I still have no idea how I'm actually going to make this model available to people who need to use it while at the same time not making it available to people who shouldn't have it
Hm. Keys?
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Snaggy
Hm. Keys?
Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:51 AM
not a bad idea
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:51 AM
I have been meaning to get into drones and stuff, maybe now is the time
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It'd have to be pretty encrypted
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:51 AM
compile the model into an executable that requires a key to decrypt the model
9:51 AM
that could work
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I'm interested in the concept and execution, I hope you don't get the vibe that I'm talking down on it, just the security aspect was my main concern
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:52 AM
that's basically 2fa - something you have + something you know
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I would recommend to stay away from DJI drones
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Snaggy
I'm interested in the concept and execution, I hope you don't get the vibe that I'm talking down on it, just the security aspect was my main concern
Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:52 AM
no, you're approaching the topic like a reasonable person
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birb
I would recommend to stay away from DJI drones
If you have a 3d printer I'm sure there's some open source tech out there to build your own with alibaba and Amazon parts haha
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:53 AM
I think a diagram of the system would be helpful. I am sure @Doctor Eval you have a pretty good idea of how you think it should all work
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:53 AM
omg yes
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im doing it now
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:54 AM
haha perfect
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RaiseRuntimeError
it uses a super simple protocol to stream video back to the browser, that could be used for a web interface. Every phone can just view the stream and the central server could serve whatever images it wants. Say like a renders map with markers for the cops and people with guns
Server would have to be decentralized and secure if we go this route, imo, server would have to be mobile or on-site. What do fps drone racers use?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:56 AM
I was thinking on-site tbh
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Snaggy
If you have a 3d printer I'm sure there's some open source tech out there to build your own with alibaba and Amazon parts haha
There is. You can build just about anything at this era of printing. Plans are usually on thingiverse
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Shoutout to 3d printing
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 9:57 AM
oh i dont know, im a full stack developer so thats my hammer i was trying to solve the problem with
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Doctor Eval
I was thinking on-site tbh
The keys would have to constantly be randomly generated too
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:58 AM
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why buy when you can build with 1$ foam board?
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Ooh it's looking nice
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:59 AM
lol
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I spy delicious Elmer's glue
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:59 AM
i knew one of you would be hungry for that sweet elmers
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thank god I didn't get any crayons, we would have marines in here salivating
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birb
I spy delicious Elmer's glue
RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:00 AM
eww, im more of a tub of paste kind of person
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:00 AM
one more pic...
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I'm more of a sharpies person
10:01 AM
just a different design I wanted to experiment with
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:01 AM
once you get a design you like i would absolutely love to make one (edited)
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:01 AM
yeah I need to do some flight tests and stuff
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That looks really awesome
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:02 AM
but I will be posting all of the plans - along with videos on how to assemble
10:02 AM
right now, the price point per unit is about $95 (edited)
10:03 AM
I'm trying to get it down as low as possible. I would consider $60 to be the "perfect" price point
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But will it carry a missile?
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birb
But will it carry a missile?
Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:03 AM
unknown
10:03 AM
Who loves a good rabbit hole?
10:04 AM
Download files and build them with your 3D printer, laser cutter, or CNC. Thingiverse is a universe of things.
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:04 AM
i think a slow, easy to fly self correcting design for less than $100 would be easily doable
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RaiseRuntimeError
i think a slow, easy to fly self correcting design for less than $100 would be easily doable
Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:04 AM
thats the goal
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Videos should be on request too-imo
10:04 AM
Less than $50! 🙃 (edited)
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:06 AM
I dont want to add any feature creep but i think you should look at this https://ardupilot.org/
ArduPilot is a trusted, versatile, and open source autopilot system supporting many vehicle types: multi-copters, traditional helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, boats, submarines, rovers and more. The source code is developed by a large community of professionals and enthusiasts. New developers are always welcome! The best way to start is by join...
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Currently going to be working on some glasses or hats to counter facial recognition and cameras
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You want selfie mode, too?
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:08 AM
It will make it difficult to stay under $100 with ardupilot but the project is cool as hell
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There is some legal issues here with the drones that we could get around
10:10 AM
Drones have to be under 0.55 to not have to follow FAA regulations
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:10 AM
these will be really light
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but I don't know about .55
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:10 AM
0.55 freedom units?
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Sorry. Half a pound.
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:10 AM
so that map is literally just the field operator infrastructure
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:11 AM
ok so the AI model lives on the drone?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:11 AM
no
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I don't think it would
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:11 AM
the ai model is on the computer
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:11 AM
ok i was thinking the little chip was representing the AI model
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Smart
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:12 AM
that's the flight control receiver
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Needs narration 3224_pepeSus
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:12 AM
ok back on the same page
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What are you eyeing to use for the motor
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Welp. Guess I'll build a drone
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Snaggy
What are you eyeing to use for the motor
Micro stepper motors
10:13 AM
Needs a motor driver board with some logic. I'm sure there are tons of boards out there pre fabbed
10:13 AM
This stuff is kinda popular with the cool 3d printing kids
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10:14 AM
now with labels
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Doctor Eval
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Needs multi language 3224_pepeSus
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:14 AM
needs a11y
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Doctor Eval
Click to see attachment 🖼️
RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:15 AM
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in toaster
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:15 AM
again?
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Plug it in for your pleasure
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:15 AM
at this point im just finding excuses
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Mine got stuck in the ceiling fan
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@Doctor Eval do you have hardware in mind for the FPV video and tx?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:16 AM
i have a full bill of materials my dude
10:17 AM
Excellent maybe?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:17 AM
Price Product Purpose Notes $1.00 Plastic floss/picks Aeleron Control Awesome hack $1.00 ~ 1mm Steel Rods Aeleron control Salvagable $1.00 20" x 30" x 0.25" Foam Board Frame Elmers craft board is good $8.00 ESC Power control Swappable $10.00 2x Servo Aeleron control Swappable $14.00 Brushless Motor Propulsion Swappable $15.00 1x AIO FPV Camera FPV & Intel Gathering Swappable $20.00 RDQ BN-880 GPS & Compass Swappable $22.00 FrSky R9 MX Radio control & telemetry Swappable
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Oh my lawdy
10:17 AM
So you are running a fixed wing drone?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:17 AM
yes
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Is that due to battery life?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:18 AM
yes
10:18 AM
and ease of operation
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Is your heart set on just fixed?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:18 AM
no
10:18 AM
this will work with any system you can get airborne and can stream a video signal to a computer
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:18 AM
yeah i imagine just parking it in the sky to do laps with a good battery
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:19 AM
I'm building a fixed wing design so that I can distribute this capability as cheaply as possible
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Oh awesome. So as long as you can get a good RTSP stream, it's viable. Right?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:20 AM
not even rtsp - some rx devices get detected as usb cameras (edited)
10:20 AM
it's p dope tbh
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:20 AM
even strap a camera to a kite
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So what video format does the receiving software need?
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obv don't buy from amazon
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but that is the gadget i use
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So what video format does the receiving software need?
Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:22 AM
the underlying model is yolov6, and it can handle p much anything
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the yolov6 python repo has the appropriate libraries to pull frames from a bunch of different formats
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Oh shit yes
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This opens up a lot
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:23 AM
yeah, it's super flexible
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I've even streamed youtube videos into it
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:23 AM
neeto
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:23 AM
and it's fast yo
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:23 AM
damn
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:23 AM
it's really, really fast (edited)
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much faster than yolov5
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waits while you nerds read the github readme
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:25 AM
You Only Live Once volume 6!
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:27 AM
it means "you only look once"
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/13/2022 10:29 AM
This is another awesome AI model from Huggingface?
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 10:53 AM
lol
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 11:26 AM
Thoughts: * For performance and distribution, AI capability should be performed on-site by on-site hardware. * This means that the model could be exposed if the hardware is seized and analyzed. * This means that the model needs strong encryption at rest. * Single key symmetric encryption? * Single key per deployment. * Single key + rolling token? * Requires mfa infrastructure. * Most secure option. * Requires internet connection at boot time.
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Oh this would be good for learning
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Hey does anyone know any websites that have an index of memes, images etc. that come from alt-right, particularly from chan culture (i.e. /pol/ on 4chan, etc)? Does such a website exist? Thanks.
WojtektheBear started a thread. 7/13/2022 1:02 PM
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 9:47 PM
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I spy ras pi
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I seen this yesterday lmao
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
Yo... Did this plot out from the AI recognition?
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Doctor Eval 7/14/2022 9:44 AM
No
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WojtektheBear 7/14/2022 4:52 PM
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It’s upsetting when alt-right speak and chan speak gets repeated enough in online spaces that random people begin repeating it, not understanding what it means or believing it is a joke bc it was presented with plausible deniability
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Same thing with the OK sign that spread like crazy in RW groups for a minute that they underplayed and said it was a joke that the left fell for despite the fact it became something they started using unironically.
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I'm just going to do an API
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ST3ALTHG1NG3R 7/17/2022 5:48 PM
I think we need to update our sources to include symbols or those involved in the Aryan Nation, Aryan Brotherhood, Aryan Empire, Peckerwoods/featherwoods, and R.A.M. (Rise Above Movement)
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I didn't see them on the site and they are white supremacist/white nationalists as well.
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Also.. I was trained in Gang Identification about a decade ago in my short time as a police officer in TX.
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I am in a gang
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And my leader is Jesus Christ
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Got jumped in them we ate at Wendy's
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Pretty neat stuff
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ST3ALTHG1NG3R 7/17/2022 9:02 PM
Wtf?
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even strap a camera to a kite
Wait, off the same vein, couldn't cams be hooked up to helium balloons the car dealerships use to act as stationary observation points?
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I think we need to update our sources to include symbols or those involved in the Aryan Nation, Aryan Brotherhood, Aryan Empire, Peckerwoods/featherwoods, and R.A.M. (Rise Above Movement)
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 1:02 AM
aryan brotherhood? are those like the russians larping as german nazis in the hoi4 mod TNO of who call themselves the aryan brotherhood?
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or are they normal nazis not larpers
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A bit of both from the research I've seen. It's a mixed bag and varies from chapter to chapter as there seems to be an internal ideological confrontation between the two "philosophies"
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this is one of the things I've used for writing that goes into some depth on various tattoos and I believe they have a dedicated nazi section.
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No christo-fascist yet but its an old powerpoint
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https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbols/search This one is a working database, so maybe it'll bear fruit.
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aryan brotherhood? are those like the russians larping as german nazis in the hoi4 mod TNO of who call themselves the aryan brotherhood?
sans_culottes 7/20/2022 1:39 AM
The Aryan Brotherhood are essentially prison contract killers for hire, mostly allied with La Emme.
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A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 1:39 AM
Ahhhh
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They 1st existed as prison hands but they are out in the world. Far less organized than Proud Boys or others. I ran into a peckerwood in LA a few days ago prominently.
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Needed: NY activists looking for the tax Id for Cornerstone Church in Batavia NY. It's the new venue for the ReAwaken America Tour that was recently cancelled.
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WojtektheBear 7/21/2022 3:21 PM
"Patriot front" incels training in Utah. Where do I begin with this. My grandma hits harder. you can see the rest of the clips on https://t.co/q8EetLwF5D
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Needed: NY activists looking for the tax Id for Cornerstone Church in Batavia NY. It's the new venue for the ReAwaken America Tour that was recently cancelled.
WojtektheBear 7/21/2022 3:21 PM
I’ll look into this it’s the type of information we need to get better at the finding
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NOT_wil_wheaton 7/21/2022 4:24 PM
I’m interested in helping out however I can with researching. I have some decent coding skills, ability to locate hard to find things on the internet, and am a research professional irl. Let me know whatever I can do!
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Holy shit this is comedy gold
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I’m interested in helping out however I can with researching. I have some decent coding skills, ability to locate hard to find things on the internet, and am a research professional irl. Let me know whatever I can do!
WojtektheBear 7/21/2022 4:46 PM
I’ll be in contact thanks
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Holy shit this is comedy gold
Braakinthesaddle 7/21/2022 5:06 PM
Bruh, as an Army vet, that marching video made me physically ill 🤣
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Bruh, as an Army vet, that marching video made me physically ill 🤣
I hope they keep rocks in their pockets. I feel a gust of wind would knock them on their ass.
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@birb I've got a bad disc in my back, and I go harder on a daily basis than those sentient gourds.
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WojtektheBear 7/24/2022 9:21 PM
On July 28 Jennifer Bilek will be presenting her latest conspiracies about Big Pharma & trans people at the Hillsdale College in DC. It's being promoted by the director of the DeVos Center at Heritage Foundation, which receives $250,000 a year from her host AWC Family Foundation.
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Do you all know - is it unsafe to use your own phone number to get on telegram to monitor channels if you don’t post anything?
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Do you all know - is it unsafe to use your own phone number to get on telegram to monitor channels if you don’t post anything?
Braakinthesaddle 7/28/2022 2:36 PM
Check out the app called MySudo
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Check out the app called MySudo
Thank you
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@Doctor Eval I’ve built a few image tagging systems for personal and corporate data and machine learning projects. Depending on what stage you are at I could help out. (Ref https://reddit.com/r/IronFrontUSA/comments/wcaisf/the_american_iron_front_collaboration_discord_is/)
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@Doctor Eval I’ve built a few image tagging systems for personal and corporate data and machine learning projects. Depending on what stage you are at I could help out. (Ref https://reddit.com/r/IronFrontUSA/comments/wcaisf/the_american_iron_front_collaboration_discord_is/)
Doctor Eval 7/31/2022 12:38 PM
Hey @ab_ai thanks for reaching out. I'm currently on a bit of a break because I just moved, and my internet access is tenuous. In about a week or so, I'm going to be picking this project up again. For reference, we're using roboflow to annotate images, and I'm training a YOLO V7 model based on those images. The thrust of the work is the collection and annotation of images
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If you would like access to the roboflow project, please DM me an anonymous email address that you can use for access
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I also got here via the reddit post, if I can pull you away from roboflow I have a site specifically for collaborating on datasets (it's pretty new), the versioning and moderation tools are better than roboflow for adhoc collaboration. If you're too deep into the other one I understand.
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My site is https://mekabytes.com, and this is exactly the kind of project I'm looking to host. (edited)
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austinwiltshire 8/3/2022 6:11 PM
Pinging here rather than the protest pics chat as a reminder I've got a bot who will upload pics from the protest-pictures chat to this service, ready to be added when needed.
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Ooh that reminds me has anyone read the anarchist cookbook?
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Bad book overall, there's way better ones out there and new versions
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Yeah it was strange to me. For some reason it was popular among teens at my school, and I didn't get it really. I mean it's great if you want to learn how to make LSD, but not very practical for me.
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Overall it's just popular because of the rebel aspect, not much else
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The steps were messed up too
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The steps were messed up too
Lol even if you're just in it for the LSD it can't do that for you
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Hell yeah, man you'll blow yourself up following their instructions lmao
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Sucks fr
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WojtektheBear 8/8/2022 9:29 PM
the FBI raid on Mar a'Lago definitely has the potential to spark reprisal attacks, both on federal law enforcement and anything deemed representative of "the left". The former is simple enough, and I presume those facilities are hardened. What concerns me is the latter.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/10/2022 11:00 PM
Should be a lot of fodder for those of y’all who research and report. Lots of direct threats of violence happening. Time to make plenty of FBI tip line reports!
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Braakinthesaddle 8/11/2022 3:11 AM
Also, Margarine Trailer Trash Tweeted something mentioning "In January, we take on the enemy within". Anybody have any udea what she is talking about?
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I saw that too, I was assuming she means in January that's when the new session starts for Congress with the results of the midterm election changing up the seats. I also think that if they lose in the midterms they could just pull another coup but I think she was specifically trying to encourage their base to go vote
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WojtektheBear 8/18/2022 10:00 AM
Bellingcat is hosting an osint hackathon in September: https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1559965974605996039
Over two days in September, we're hosting two remote hackathons for teams to develop digital investigation and network analysis tools to help open source researchers. Find out more about Bellingcat's Global Hackathons and how to apply here: 👇 https://t.co/unU8v8O3aC
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NOT_wil_wheaton 8/18/2022 10:41 AM
That is awesome. I’ll have to see if there’s anything i could actually do for that. If it aligns with my skill set, I’d definitely be interested in participating
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NOT_wil_wheaton 8/18/2022 5:18 PM
Another cool OSINT opportunity upcoming: https://www.skopenow.com/osint-live
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Does anyone know anything about Pathfinders? WNY militia group apparently. I can't find anything online.
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Does anyone know anything about Pathfinders? WNY militia group apparently. I can't find anything online.
BubsyFanboy 8/20/2022 10:32 AM
Do you have a picture of a logo?
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If so, it can be image-searched
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Does anyone know anything about Pathfinders? WNY militia group apparently. I can't find anything online.
NOT_wil_wheaton 8/23/2022 4:09 PM
Could it be First State Pathfinders? They showed up at Gettysburg back in summer 2020. Supposedly Delaware based which I know is not WNY
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what's going on with the image labeling effort?
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joe hill’s revenge 9/2/2022 7:07 PM
Does anyone know about folkish resistance movement? Seem like an edgier version of patriot front, based in Arizona
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Skullmaggot 9/2/2022 10:38 PM
@joe hill’s revenge They are on the SPL Hatemap (credit: RedMoonWarrior): https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/neo-nazi (edited)
Neo-Nazi groups share a hatred for Jews and a love for Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. While they also hate other minorities, gays and lesbians and even sometimes Christians, they perceive "the Jew" as their cardinal enemy.
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JohnBrosGhost 9/6/2022 3:07 PM
I’m curious, since patriot front marched in Indy this weekend if they typically plan ahead enough to get permits. If so, has anyone conducted a Foia request to get a copy of their permit?
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Could hold some interesting insights
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Might email the city to see if they had a permit, and then request a copy via FOIA just to see
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Heres a map of possible and confirmed sundown towns https://justice.tougaloo.edu/map/
A database contributed by people across the nation underlies these maps and the tables you can generate.
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I wonder if there are ways to update it, it seems off/incomplete
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How much do the authors trust "an email"
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Skullmaggot 9/7/2022 11:51 PM
This report uses leaked Oath Keeper data to highlight the number of one-time and/or current Oath Keepers members or supporters holding sensitive positions in society.
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Skullmaggot 9/8/2022 1:17 PM
Thanks!
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/15/2022 12:52 AM
Does anyone know where we can get information on the various fascist groups “right from the horses mouth?” I’m guessing they don’t have websites we can go to, and have been bumped of most social media. I think it could be easier to paint them as the outgroup (the “them” in us versus them for the public) in turning public opinion more against them.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/15/2022 3:41 AM
I’ve got a hunting app that shows you who owns what land/property; OnX. That will probably come in handy. May look at an “alternate” account to do some snooping too
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freddie_blind 9/15/2022 4:05 AM
If you have the stomach for it, and are tech savvy enough to scrub yourself clean you can get on Gab. There are some "public" groups you can lurk on that can give you a better idea of what's in your a
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/15/2022 4:53 AM
@freddie_blind I am unfortunately not tech savvy. I do not know how to completely scrub my online presence enough
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freddie_blind 9/15/2022 7:11 AM
@LessthanLoneWolf just as well in a way, they have been pushing around instructions for how ro scrub themselves off so now it is almost like if you find someone IRL but then can't find anything online it's almost confirmation. Gab is front facing, more a recruitment tool. You'd have to be real good at covering to go deeper to get high level Intel- what their family, friends, associates and frequent places can give away is pretty awesome when you start to piece it together
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/15/2022 7:22 AM
That’s sounds a bit more achievable. I definitely can take some drives around my town to see what I see
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Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 12:23 PM
How are you storing information? Just on your computer?
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Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 7:36 PM
Were you interested in the OSINT portions of this collaboration? Do you want to be on the (wait)list?
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Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 7:43 PM
Same. I do the public side of things so I actually don’t have OSINT capability within the people I have organized, I don’t think. I’m also going to bring up at the next meeting that I can give my experience organizing: I ended up talking to everybody and tabulating their skills, eventually coming up with projects (that most people had ideas for anyway) and introducing people. If you want to start your own project, I can essentially can get you people and resources, and I’m going to impress upon people in the next meeting that they are free to organize in this space and that they ought to be keeping track of skilled individuals that they want for their projects. People’s information is on the #introductions channel, and I’m going to encourage people to pull from that resource. (We have some of it tabulated for ease of use but more has to be put into a spreadsheet.)
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 9/29/2022 10:01 AM
Hi @everyone ! Come out check @brenna__smith's talk on navigating the job market and your career as an open source journalist! https://discord.gg/zScU8GgJ?event=1023348166977917058
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Have a research project: how could we organize and amplify boycott of ULINE? Who are their customers? What are their most lucrative products and relationships? Which pro-Democracy organizations use their packaging and stationery products?
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Have a research project: how could we organize and amplify boycott of ULINE? Who are their customers? What are their most lucrative products and relationships? Which pro-Democracy organizations use their packaging and stationery products?
Uline is a purposely political company aligned with extreme right-wing ideology. Despite their politics, millions of small businesses and artists still use ULINE completely unaware of what their dollars are supporting. This needs to end now. Let's refuse to use uline.
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Is that anyone we know, or should we help out?
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Have a research project: how could we organize and amplify boycott of ULINE? Who are their customers? What are their most lucrative products and relationships? Which pro-Democracy organizations use their packaging and stationery products?
CaulPartBallMop 10/17/2022 12:19 AM
Well where I work sources from them I think, I could see if I have access to their ordering page and if they have a list of clients somewhere
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 10/17/2022 2:05 PM
Hello @everyone ! I'm here to announce this week's Stage Talk guest: @LOActualControl, an open source researcher whose work has been featured on Air Wars, The Bureau, and Bellingcat. His talk will be focused on helping you get started doing open source research online, and navigating your early career. This talk will start at 5:00 PM on Thursday, October 20, and is titled "Zero to Sixty: Getting Started in Open Source Investigations". Make sure to click "Interested" in the link below, and to subscribe to "Event Notifications" in the #deleted-channel so that you don't miss the start of this and other events. https://discord.gg/8FhAyhMT?event=1031627659370835978
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Have a research project: how could we organize and amplify boycott of ULINE? Who are their customers? What are their most lucrative products and relationships? Which pro-Democracy organizations use their packaging and stationery products?
CaulPartBallMop 10/18/2022 12:50 PM
My companies interface for ordering isn't accessible by my department, I'm not able to find much in the way of who their customers are, but here's a list of testimonials with the companies listed from their site: Carldadt Public Works VAMC West Palm Beach James S Reed Inc. Lawrence Covell Inc. Circle K Pacific Stonescape All of the positive testimonials are from the past month, so it may be frequently updated. We could start by contacting these businesses somehow to make them aware of their affiliations, but that would assume these companies don't also lean this way politically. Would probably be worth looking into.
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My companies interface for ordering isn't accessible by my department, I'm not able to find much in the way of who their customers are, but here's a list of testimonials with the companies listed from their site: Carldadt Public Works VAMC West Palm Beach James S Reed Inc. Lawrence Covell Inc. Circle K Pacific Stonescape All of the positive testimonials are from the past month, so it may be frequently updated. We could start by contacting these businesses somehow to make them aware of their affiliations, but that would assume these companies don't also lean this way politically. Would probably be worth looking into.
CaulPartBallMop 10/18/2022 1:49 PM
Further elaboration, here's the info I've found on those companies sorted from most promising to least promising to contact about ULINE Lawrence Covell - No inherent political offiliation, possilby donated to Democratic canditate in 2018 according to opensecrets.org? Circle K - no strong political affiliation according to opensecrets.org Pacific Stonescape - no broadcasted political affiliation Burrough of Carlstadt, NJ - Entirely republican leadership mayor and city council
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AldotheApache 10/24/2022 9:40 AM
Dunno if these are potential tools for researchers. Database that tracks Jan 6th perps: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories
More than 900 people have been charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. NPR is looking at the cases. Each provides clues to questions surrounding the attack: Who joined the mob? What did they do? And why?
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This link tracks election deniers who are running for political offices: https://statesuniteddemocracy.org
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 10/25/2022 2:11 PM
Hello @everyone! I hope you're all doing well! I'm here to announce a free, two-day seminar titled "QAnon in Europe: Tracing a Viral Conspiracy", on November 2 and 3. The seminar is organized by Lighthouse Reports and Bellingcat, and features a full roster of experts who will talk about QAnon's spread throughout Europe. You'll hear from Bellingcat researchers Eliot Higgins, Aiganysh Aidarbekova, Ross Higgins, Tristan Lee, and Logan Williams, as well as other experts like Twitter's Q Origins Project, and many more. Check out the link to the event below. You can sign up to attend either one of the two days, or better yet, both! Don't miss it! https://discord.gg/rprWH6W8?event=1034528167563624498
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I found this while researching a cop in Chicago tied to ProudBoys, but he didn't have any disciplinary records. http://how.cpdp.works/en/
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Maybe it would be a good research project to try and beef up data quality in this (or similar) databases?
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 11/2/2022 6:59 AM
Hello server friends! I hope your week is going well! It's always an exciting day when Bellingcat puts up a job posting, and today is one of those days! We are hiring a Social Media Producer to help us expand our presence across different social media platforms. If you are passionate about sharing open source research and methods with others in creative ways, please give the job posting a look and apply! https://www.bellingcat.com/bellingcat-is-hiring-social-media-producer/
Bellingcat is looking to hire a Social Media Producer. Apply by 27 November, 2022.
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 11/7/2022 6:57 AM
Hello @everyone ! I hope you're all having a great Monday! After a brief break, we've got a couple of Stage Talks lined up that will take us to the end of 2022. The first one will be with Newsy's Jake Godin, this Thursday November 10 at 5:00 PM CEST/11:00 AM. The title of Jake's talk is "Discussing the Intersection of Journalism and Open Source Investigation. Jake is a reporter and producer on the Newsy + Bellingcat video series, which has brought to video many impactful open source investigations. You can check out that video series here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaOuj3fUifyyMZwkuOsPm1a9gPC5Q6hEi Set a reminder for Jake's talk here: https://discord.gg/x6MyG6N8?event=1039145123872780348
These open-source visual investigations use satellite imagery, social media, and online tools to shed light on international conflict — from tracking weapon ...
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 11/14/2022 5:20 PM
Hi @everyone! I hope you're all having a great Monday! This week's Stage Talk is titled QAnon in Europe: Researching the Online Spaces of Conspiracist Ideologies The talk will take place on Thursday, November 17, at 5:00 PM CET. The talk will cover a discussion of the characteristics of different QAnon communities in Europe, as well as tips on how to research them. The talk will be delivered by a panel of researchers from Bellingcat (Aiganysh Aidarbekova, Johanna Wild, and Tristan Lee) and from Lighthouse Reports (Riccardo Coluccini and Gabriel Geiger). Don't miss it! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1041838275125579836
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 11/23/2022 3:59 PM
Hello @everyone! Happy Wednesday! I'm here to announce that our next Stage Talk will be given by Dr. Manisha Ganguly on Monday, November 28th, at 5:00 PM CET/11:00 AM EST and is titled "OSINT and the Future of Investigative Journalism" Dr. Ganguly is a highly accomplished journalist, formerly at the BBC and currently at The Guardian where she specializes in open source investigations on human rights issues. Dr. Ganguly has a PhD from the University of Westminster, and we are very lucky to have her as a guest, so don't miss her talk! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1045061416886992917
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 12/5/2022 2:33 PM
Hello @everyone ! Happy Monday! We've got a huge announcement to kick off your work week! The next Bellingcat Discord Stage Talk will be delivered by none other than Eliot Higgins, Founder and Creative Director at Bellingcat. Eliot will talk about where Bellingcat's been in 2022, and where it's going in 2023. The talk will be this Friday, December 9th, at 2:00 PM UTC / 3:00 PM CET. Catch the talk live so you can ask Eliot questions! https://discord.gg/bellingcat?event=1049407888017334293
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 12/19/2022 4:07 PM
Hello @everyone! Happy Monday! I've got two exciting announcements for you today. The first is that our very own Hannah Bagdasar (@hannahcat) will be giving a Stage Talk this Thursday, December 22, at 5:00 PM CET. The title of Hannah's talk is "The Global Authentication Project: Looking Back at 2022, and Forward to 2023". Hannah will be talking about Bellingcat's volunteer platform, including some of the projects that our dedicated Global Authentication Project members have worked on this year. She'll also talk about what she has planned for next year. If you've ever wondered what volunteering with Bellingcat Looks like, make sure you check out Hannah's talk! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1052589621445406773 The second announcement is that we've added three forums channels to the server! This feature allows you to easily make and follow threads, giving you more room to engage with your fellow server friends. Make sure to check out #deleted-channel for anything related to open source research, #deleted-channel for topics related to news and events around the world, and #deleted-channel to unwind by talking about your favourite hobbies or sharing recipes. In the future, we hope to expand the forums feature to give you even more opportunities to interact with others in the server. That's it! That's all the news for today! Have a great week!
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 12/26/2022 11:46 AM
Hello @everyone! I hope that you're enjoying the holidays! I'm here to remind you that our last Stage Talk of the year will take place this Thursday, December 29, at 5:00 PM CET/11:00 AM EST. I'll be hosting the talk alongside some of our server moderators, and we'll be talking about how much the server has grown this year, and what we have planned for 2023. So grab a cup of your favourite beverage and snuggle up to this Stage Talk with a nice blanket! You'll hear behind-the-scene stories about why and how Bellingcat started this server, and as always, you'll have lots of time to ask questions. See you on Thursday! https://discord.gg/aApyTD48?event=1052472745096658994
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 12/27/2022 3:36 AM
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 12/31/2022 5:45 AM
Hello @everyone! On behalf of Bellingcat and our wonderful moderator team, we’d like to wish you all a very happy new year! We wish you all the best for you and your loved ones in 2023. Thank you all for making 2022 the biggest year for our server, and for helping to make this space a warm and welcoming one! We’re very excited to share 2023 with you all here! We'll resume our Stage Talks in February. In the meantime, make sure to catch up on 2022's Stage Talks, which you can find on our Soundcloud page: https://soundcloud.com/bellingcat Happy New Year! (edited)
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It occurs to me that if we stop subsidizing beef and the dude ranch ultramasculine ideal that so many american fascists cling to. We can break more people out of a toxic masculine colonialist identity. Also the green new deal is a necessary piece of legislation.
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It occurs to me that if we stop subsidizing beef and the dude ranch ultramasculine ideal that so many american fascists cling to. We can break more people out of a toxic masculine colonialist identity. Also the green new deal is a necessary piece of legislation.
What are you going to substitute as a primary protein source. Particularly for people with recent hunter gatherer ancestors and thus can't process legumes as efficiently as people with European ancestry. (edited)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/6/2023 2:09 PM
I heard meat substitutes or 'Fake meat' tastes.....not very good
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I heard meat substitutes or 'Fake meat' tastes.....not very good
They are also simple protein plant based... which doesn't do people with indigenous ancestry any good.
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Could do vat meat, but unless specifically subsidizing small distributed small business efforts you are just subsidizing big pharma more.
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It's less the existence of beef and more the economic prioritization of it regardless of the consequences.
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It's also the culture that fetishizes beef eating and cattle raising which is the problem. Also this is most often a western problem.
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It's less the existence of beef and more the economic prioritization of it regardless of the consequences.
Got any ideas? We've got over 300million people to feed, and even the ones who can process legumes can't afford a meat free diet.
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Also we're losing plantable fields by the year as climate change continues.
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Chicken, rabbits, fish? Also please don't raise your animals in factory farms. The pollution from those is nasty.
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Also quite a few people can NOT eat fake or sub meats. Either due to a lack of protein development, allergies or the handling of fields. CA is getting lowkey screwed over by monofarms because some countries are too cheap to grow their own almonds
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Got any ideas? We've got over 300million people to feed, and even the ones who can process legumes can't afford a meat free diet.
Here's a nasty fact, we do have enough food for everyone, we just can't get it to everyone on time.
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Chicken, rabbits, fish? Also please don't raise your animals in factory farms. The pollution from those is nasty.
So decentralization of food production in general.
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Here's a nasty fact, we do have enough food for everyone, we just can't get it to everyone on time.
For now. by 2050 that won't be the case.
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Decentralization also can lead to doctoring of food too
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Decentralization also can lead to doctoring of food too
USDA and FDA don't do the inspections they are supposed to already.
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I was arguing against the culture of meat eating, not our current agricultural practices, though those aren't largely sustainable.
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I was arguing against the culture of meat eating, not our current agricultural practices, though those aren't largely sustainable.
I agree, none of our big agra practices are sustainable.
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Do you want me to rant about pseudoarchaeology?
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I argue the arga practice is a bigger problem then meat eating culture
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Do you want me to rant about pseudoarchaeology?
As someone with over 30 years experience in anthropology... no.
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But it might be entertaining.
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I argue the arga practice is a bigger problem then meat eating culture
With you on that.
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Is anyone here familiar with the community of gay fascists, nationalists and neo-nazis on Twitter?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/6/2023 7:01 PM
Reading that made my head hurt.
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I left out a secondary descriptive that I was going to probe later if someone said "yes." It gets worse.
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It occurs to me that if we stop subsidizing beef and the dude ranch ultramasculine ideal that so many american fascists cling to. We can break more people out of a toxic masculine colonialist identity. Also the green new deal is a necessary piece of legislation.
vitaminWee 1/6/2023 7:29 PM
With a possible recession nearing, we should be acquiring freezers to stuff early to help the home and hood. That’s man culture to me, right now 😆. Oh shit. Who dem freezerboys. Cowboy mythologizing can continue on without the actual ranches around. Or even relevantly… look how strong bison culture stayed w nations of people from just the myth of that. A lot of what Ted Roosevelt and John Wayne repeaters (Western movies ) did is outside the history of actual cow herding culture -genuinely a fascinating contrasting history. Livestocking for real is something to grasp, outside of just the beef herd. If culture building is going to happen I think it’s not trying to take away, but making relatable food lifestyle culture stories for the manhood-seeking, or the curious eater of any gender, to imagine participating in. Boar, deer, elk. Muskrat. Red meat freezing, processing. Urban fowl herding. Canning. How many vitamins, acids, oils, & proteins can be got processing just local plants. The cowboy myth is kind of always going to live. Earlier cow herding culture that is the actual root of buckeroos is kind of still mythological more than actually eating the meat.. cue the old north africa to spain guitar 💃. Myths just build and evolve no matter. I kind of like that storystuff of the uruguay, argentine & brazilian gaúcho -what happened to the euro herds culture too, but down there. Way in outer range space, fire making, sharing wine and grilled meats.
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With a possible recession nearing, we should be acquiring freezers to stuff early to help the home and hood. That’s man culture to me, right now 😆. Oh shit. Who dem freezerboys. Cowboy mythologizing can continue on without the actual ranches around. Or even relevantly… look how strong bison culture stayed w nations of people from just the myth of that. A lot of what Ted Roosevelt and John Wayne repeaters (Western movies ) did is outside the history of actual cow herding culture -genuinely a fascinating contrasting history. Livestocking for real is something to grasp, outside of just the beef herd. If culture building is going to happen I think it’s not trying to take away, but making relatable food lifestyle culture stories for the manhood-seeking, or the curious eater of any gender, to imagine participating in. Boar, deer, elk. Muskrat. Red meat freezing, processing. Urban fowl herding. Canning. How many vitamins, acids, oils, & proteins can be got processing just local plants. The cowboy myth is kind of always going to live. Earlier cow herding culture that is the actual root of buckeroos is kind of still mythological more than actually eating the meat.. cue the old north africa to spain guitar 💃. Myths just build and evolve no matter. I kind of like that storystuff of the uruguay, argentine & brazilian gaúcho -what happened to the euro herds culture too, but down there. Way in outer range space, fire making, sharing wine and grilled meats.
Most modern cowboy culture in US came from Mexican Charro and rancher culture after the Mexican-US war
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vitaminWee 1/6/2023 7:32 PM
Agree
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I left out a secondary descriptive that I was going to probe later if someone said "yes." It gets worse.
I know there is one, and I know it's worse than that. In one of the saddest displays of irony. That said, it's very likely that the Proud Boys by and large are one such organization.
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I know there is one, and I know it's worse than that. In one of the saddest displays of irony. That said, it's very likely that the Proud Boys by and large are one such organization.
I believe it. There is really strong precedent. The National Socialist League formed in the 1970s and lasted a decade, and that was an organization of nazis with membership reserved exclusively for gay men. The marriage of fascism and homosexuality might seem oxymoronic at first, but less so once one considers where they might meet at the intersection of hypermasculinity, narcissism, and masculine insecurity. In fact, I think one could argue that gay men have been some of the most prominent champions of fascism, going back to Ernst Julius Günther Röhm and the gay SA lieutenants who helped install Hitler to power. Then there is Renaud Camus, the father of Great Replacement theory that now sits at the backbone of modern white nationalism. Jack Donovan is one of the OG alt-right influencers and the father of the modern Androphilia movement. There's Milo, who we all know. Greg Johnson is the editor in chief of white nationalist publishing house Counter-Currents. I'm reading an article that HuffPo was attacked for in 2011, in which guest writer Johann Hari argues "the twisted truth is that gay men have been at the heart of every major fascist movement that ever was - including the gay-gassing, homo-cidal Third Reich."
Gerry Gable, editor of the anti-fascist magazine 'Searchlight', explains, "I have looked at Britain's Nazi groups for decades and this homophobic hypocrisy has been there all the time. I cannot think of any organisation on the extreme right that hasn't attacked people on the grounds of their sexual preference and at the same time contained many gay officers and activists." https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697
This is a taboo topic for a gay left-wing man like me to touch, but there has always been a weird, disproportionate overlap between homosexuality and fascism. Take a deep breath; here goes.
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So anyway, the gay nazi community on Twitter is... massive. And I asked because it would be interesting to have a discussion about them with others in the know.
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So anyway, the gay nazi community on Twitter is... massive. And I asked because it would be interesting to have a discussion about them with others in the know.
As someone who was very actively involved in Gay Leather culture, I know your previous statement has merit. But I also intentionally blocked the worst of those people from my feed to protect people who don't need to be seeing that shit from seeing that shit.
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Idk where else to put this but it appears some wacky shit went down on the internet yesterday and today regarding a potentially fake anarchist account. Not sure what to make of it myself as I don't know the parties involved, but I wanted to share it in case it's important. https://kolektiva.social/@hakan_geijer/109671877135091845
Attached: 1 image This is a thread about the persona Anarqxista Goldman, AKA Dionysia Exarchopoulos and other variations on those names. She was not killed two days ago in a knife fight as claimed by her twitter account because she never existed in the first place. She is a fabrication by Andrew Lloyd, AKA Dr. eXistenZ. What follows is a thre...
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/11/2023 6:47 PM
Oh… yeah
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From what I heard a middle aged guy faked being an attractive young woman to make his views on sex and stuff more palatable, ig? (edited)
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Then faked her death
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Wait
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Hold on a second
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Hold on a fucking second.
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@Spinner Is this your late friend? I don’t want to assume but the circumstances line up incredibly well
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
@Spinner Is this your late friend? I don’t want to assume but the circumstances line up incredibly well
That is the rumor. It would be an extraordinary circumstance to be as the rumor suggests. But things do happen.
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It could also be an elaborate means of discrediting a rather prolific anarchist author who had a few controversial takes, but also some very very well thought out summaries and details of anarchist thought. For months I double checked their posted writings on Anarchist Library for plagiarisms and unoriginal ideas before ever interacting with them directly. I didn't find anything overtly plagiarized, nor even simple restatements... There were some very good bits, and some things we disagreed on. Their strongest "shit take" was on the subject of child liberation, but I've personally known many women who had identical views on children's liberation and the ability to make decisions before the age of majority. I've known women in person who had intentionally lost their virginity as young as 14 and had zero adult issues with how they went about it. So it wasn't shocking when that subject came up... even if I personally disagree with it... I can't challenge someone's lived experience. It would shock me to find out that this persona was created specifically to push pedophilia, since the writings attributed to this persona are more prolific than most historical anarchist philosophers, and only ever come up in context of children's liberation, and that isn't a recurring topic in the writings that I've seen. (edited)
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For the record, our interactions were not sexual, in spite of the claim that most of the persona's interactions with others were. They were professional in the context of discussion of theory and practice and publication of works.
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Now the removal of all of the works from Archive and Anarchist Library seem to lend it credibility. I don't know why fellow members of a Poly and Anarchist household would remove the writings of a member who had passed. Frankly I just never saw the focus on the work on excusing pedophilia as has been hyped.
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 1/30/2023 1:36 PM
Hello @everyone! We hope that you've had a great January, and that you're ready to get February started! On our end, after a one-month hiatus, we're going to be re-starting our Stage Talks in February along with weekly Twitch streams, all starting next week. So, check in with the server every week to make sure that you're not missing any of these great events! Besides that, we've got some very exciting news: our Global Authentication Project (GAP) just launched its Twitter account! You can find it here: https://twitter.com/bellingcatgap Coinciding with this launch, our GAP is also recruiting 5 new members to join our Ukraine Project for a period of three months, from February to April 2023. You can apply to this volunteer position here: https://t.co/0BwgDVsEeN To stay up to date about the latest news and opportunities with the Global Authentication Project, join our mailing list here: https://t.co/VziVqYCJos (edited)
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Hey, does anyone have any articles on the presumed psychology of people like marjorie taylor greene?
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Hey, does anyone have any articles on the presumed psychology of people like marjorie taylor greene?
Look up Grandiose Narcissism, also possible is Psychopathy without comorbid paraphilia.
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I don't really have enough to diagnose her with either... but those two make the most sense given what I do know.
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Imagine the loss of Internet privacy.
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^^^^ this is the new arms race. Knives are out.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/5/2023 11:36 PM
holyshit
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AvoidOblivion 2/5/2023 11:36 PM
I don't know anything about hacking, but I probably could, too, if you gave me several billion dollars and a few hundred thousand years or so.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/5/2023 11:37 PM
thing is…
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if they were state employed
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wouldn’t they want to do everything in their power to not publicize that?
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If I've learned something from China, its this: if they're braging they can, they likely can't. But best not to take chances
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 2/6/2023 4:56 AM
Hello @everyone! I hope that you're having a great start to February! I'm here to announce that we've got an action-packed week here with two events! Bellingcat Live! on Twitch is back, starting this Wednesday, February 8, at 4:30 PM CET/10:30 AM EST. Come hang out in the chat and ask questions as Giancarlo goes over Bellingcat's latest research and checks up on the Digital Investigation Toolkit. Make sure to stick around until the end for a round or two of Geoguessr! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1070634961859780638 The 2023 Stage Talk season starts on Thursday, February 9, at 5:00 PM CET/11:00 AM EST with our first guest of the year! Judy Mionki will be here to talk to us about the use of open source evidence in international criminal tribunals. Throughout her career, she has worked with Amnesty International, Evidence Lab, the International Justice Team, and the International Criminal Court. Do not miss this talk! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1070712538624442448 (edited)
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wouldn’t they want to do everything in their power to not publicize that?
very much so, and regardless, its just gonne force us the move to even more secured techniques they can't hack
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announcing it is just a losing bet for china regardless
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 2/9/2023 11:05 AM
Hello @everyone ! Judy Mionki's talk on the admissibility and reliability of open source information in international criminal tribunals is LIVE now in The Stage! Come check it out!
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/10/2023 10:37 AM
Alex Jones has ruined the word "globalization" for me.
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Alex Jones has ruined the word "globalization" for me.
Sounds like a you problem. Who's Alex Jones? 😉
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Part of why we are here is to deny fascists ability to define terms and control the historical narrative.
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Prescient facts, presented at the correct simplicity/complexity always beat gambling on naive hunches and beliefs.
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Y'know how explaining a joke kills the humor? Do that to fascist outrage hype too.
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Y'know how explaining a joke kills the humor? Do that to fascist outrage hype too.
Doesn't work very well... their cognitive dissonance tunes out anything that challenges them.
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"they" and "them" ambiguity is a linguistic trap
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Does anyone think that conservatives use a lot of issues as decoy issues to protect the real issue that they love. Classism.
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Does anyone think that conservatives use a lot of issues as decoy issues to protect the real issue that they love. Classism.
AvoidOblivion 2/11/2023 7:30 PM
Yes.
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 2/20/2023 5:39 AM
Hello @everyone! Happy Monday! I hope you're all having a great start to your week. We've got two exciting events this week that you won't want to miss! The first is Bellingcat Live! on Twitch, which you can catch as always on Wednesday, February 22, starting at 4:30 PM CET/10:30 AM EST. I'll talk about "Navalny" winning a BAFTA, and play with a couple of new open source research tools. And, as always, I'll end the stream with a few rounds of Geoguessr! Then, you'll want to catch the Stage Talk on Thursday, February 23, at 5:00 PM CET/11:00 AM EST. The talk with feature none other than Norm, the Project Owl Discord server owner, and is titled "Project Owl: The Journey into the Greater OSINT Community for New and Established Users". Check the event description in the "Events" page to read more about the talk. Make sure that you click "Interested" for both events so that you get a reminder when they start. See you around! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1075747646834233394 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1077175127818633297
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 2/23/2023 10:59 AM
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 2/28/2023 8:33 AM
Hi folks! I hope you're all having a great week! We've got three open opportunities at Bellingcat for you to consider, including one job posting! The first is a paid full-time position for Tech Community Facilitator. You can read the job description, salary range, and how to apply here: https://www.bellingcat.com/bellingcat-is-hiring-tech-community-facilitator/ The second is spot as a Bellingcat Tech Fellow. Read the details here: https://www.bellingcat.com/become-a-bellingcat-tech-fellow-2/ The third opportunity is a position as a Bellingcat Tech Fellow -- Technical Writer. Check out the details here: https://www.bellingcat.com/become-a-bellingcat-tech-fellow-technical-writing-fellowship-2023/
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 3/6/2023 7:12 AM
Hello @everyone! We hope you’re all doing really well. We've got a big announcement today! The Bellingcat Discord Server Book Club is Here! Each month, we will take a poll to pick a book. Then, we will divide the book into four sections. Each week, one of the server moderators will lead a session in the Voice Chat channel where you can talk about that week’s chapters. At the end of the month, the process repeats with a brand new book. You’ll also be able to discuss the month’s book in #deleted-channel. Whenever possible, we will try to contact the authors of that month’s book and ask them to join in one of the weekly sessions, or give a Stage Talk. The Book Club officially launches for the month of April with Eliot Higgins’ “We Are Bellingcat.” If you don’t have a copy already, make sure to grab it so you can join the weekly discussions throughout April. We will announce the dates of the weekly April meetings at the start of that month in #deleted-channel. Also, look for a poll in #deleted-channel some time in March to pick the book for May. Thank you to everyone who suggested this idea and helped us put it together! As always, we welcome any suggestions on the format, rules, schedule, and anything else related to the Book Club in #deleted-channel And This Week's Event's Are... We've got two events lined up for this week. The first is Bellingcat Live! on Twitch, which starts at 4:30 PM CET/10:30 AM EST on Wednesday, March 8. I'll be on to talk about some of the tips I picked up during the NICAR 2023 conference in Nashville, among other things! Then, we're hosting a Stage Talk titled "Tracking Ghost Ships Using Open Source Radar Imagery with Ollie Ballinger, a Lecturer in Geocomputation at the Centre for Advanced Spatial Analysis at University College London and a tech fellow/contributor at Bellingcat. It's going to be extremely good, so don't miss it! Have a fantastic week! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1080744010311815241 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1082268702797471764
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WojtektheBear 3/8/2023 6:11 PM
the woman who leaked the no-fly list earlier this year just released a 2600 page pdf showing discussions between known hate groups and US conservatives and their efforts to dehumanize trans people this is crazy
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man today just isn't the gops day
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Mitch McConnel (racist turtle) is calling out fox and tucker carlson
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/8/2023 9:48 PM
and everyone's gonna forget in 14 days
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nothing will change
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I doubt it
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Not because of conventional consequences
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Mitch is just petty
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WojtektheBear 3/14/2023 12:21 AM
Eden Knight was tricked into detransitioning & moved to Saudi Arabia by people hired by her family to pose as friends to her. She has taken her own life. We have a doc w all the info in 1 place we submit now for your consideration With love and care: https://t.co/RL3vcKjJDA
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This is a terrible tragedy that happened to someone I was friendly with, any leads would be helpful
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Check #chaos-monkeys I saw the tag this morning and dropped the info I saw on Twitter there. Looks like lawyers are getting involved including criminal lawyers
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/16/2023 12:19 PM
working on infiltrating my state’s WLM group, just got a DM by the admin probably for vetting
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wish me luck
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/16/2023 12:52 PM
yknow what no, its probably too small to justify inactivity and lurking
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fromdefilade 3/16/2023 1:10 PM
They have different stages. One for people just posting propaganda stickers and then for more active people that go to demonstrations and such
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/16/2023 1:31 PM
I see, unfortunate. I just wanted to sit back and collect info on activities.
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fromdefilade 3/16/2023 2:14 PM
I think you may be able to with the first stage
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Looking for people to investigate?
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This should be our number one priority.
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These are the guys behind the legislation we're looking for.
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They're secretive and it will be hard to probably even find one member if not nigh impossible, but we've gotta try. Keep eyes out.
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NOT_wil_wheaton 3/20/2023 10:59 AM
It's not that super secret. A membership list was leaked in 2020. Here it is thanks to DDOSecrets
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Pretty interesting that Steve Forbes is on there. Never thought of him as much of a firebrand, just your run of the mill rich white conservative that was more interested in money than culture war crap
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There is intersectionality there, it's easier to oppress and exploit a marginalized group. Or exploit and oppress everyone if they are distracted by social issues.
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Though I think this is an outgrowth of the freemason's, elk's, knights of columbus. Christian groups have always had secret brotherhoods, though now it's dangerous due to their involvement in politics. Along with their exclusionary practices, and extreme secrecy.
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Hmm I skimmed your list Not_wil_wheaton. It's surprisingly diverse. with 12 african americans, 4 east asians, and 2 indians or south asians. Their are also a lot of women on that list. Though the majority is white guys. Though I do notice that they are all sort of old and crusty.
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Also sharing this.
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 3/23/2023 11:59 AM
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 3/24/2023 4:39 PM
Hello @everyone ! We hope that you've had a great week and that you're ready to dive into the weekend! Bellingcat is hosting a hackathon to increase the accessibility of open source research tools from April 21-23! Winning projects get free spaces at Bellingcat workshops and funding to continue development as Bellingcat Tech Fellows. We still have lots of spots open. Check out this link for more information on the event, and for details on how to apply: https://www.bellingcat.com/april-hackathon-announcement-mar-2023/ Please feel free to DM @Tristan if you have any questions. And if you know of any people or communities that might be interested in participating, we'd appreciate it if you forwarded this announcement to them. Have a great weekend, and take care!
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 3/27/2023 11:11 AM
Hello @everyone! We hope that you’ve had a great weekend, and that your week is already off to a great start! It’s going to be an action-packed week here on the Bellingcat Discord server, so we’ve got a couple of announcements to share with you: Bellingcat Discord Server Book Club The Bellingcat Discord Server Book Club is officially launching! We’ll be reading Eliot Higgins' “We Are Bellingcat” starting on Monday, April 3. Each week, we’ll host a meeting in a voice channel so we can discuss that week’s chapters. If you want to attend the meeting, make sure that you’ve read that week’s chapters. The meeting dates and readings are: 1. Sunday, April 9: Introduction and Chapter 1 2. Sunday, April 16: Chapter 2 and Chapter 3 3. Sunday, April 23: Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 4. Sunday, April 30: Chapter 5 All of the meetings above will take place at 10:00 AM PDT/1:00 PM EST/7:00 PM CEST. We’ll be scheduling these in the “Events” page in the coming days. The weekly book club meetings will be hosted by @Sarah and @Tehuringa . As you’re reading the book, we encourage you to chat and ask questions about it in #deleted-channel! The poll for the Book of the Month for May will close on Sunday April 2. It’s a close race at the moment, so get your vote here: https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1082270288403779666/1082362840242978956 Other Events
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 3/30/2023 10:59 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! I hope you're doing well! We've got Hannah Bagdasar on The Stage starting NOW, talking about recoginsing sexual and gender-based violence as an open source researcher. Don't miss her talk! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1089925402279022655
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/4/2023 4:07 AM
Hello @everyone ! Happy Tuesday! We hope that you're having a great week so far! Two announcements from us this week:
  • Bellingcat Live! on Twitch! is on this Wednesday, April 5, starting at 4:30 PM CEST/10:30 AM EST. Drop by to hear the latest from Bellingcat, and learn about open source research!
  • The first meeting of our Discord Server Book Club is this Sunday, April 9, at 7:00 PM CEST/1:00 PM EST. We're reading the Introduction and Chapter 1 of "We are Bellingcat". So, get reading, and come ready to talk about it!
Have a great rest of your week! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1092337032010940446 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1092334279771558008
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/5/2023 10:29 AM
@Event Notifications Hi all! The Twitch stream is starting! Don't miss it! www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/11/2023 2:51 AM
Hello @everyone ! It's Tuesday! Happy Tuesday! We've got two events to look forward to this week. They are:
  • Bellingcat Live! on Twitch: Drop by the Twitch stream this Wednesday, April 12 starting at 4:30 PM CEST/10:30 AM EST to hear about the latest Bellingcat research and open source research tools.
  • Bellingcat's Michael Colborne will give a Stage Talk this Thursday, April 13 starting at 5:00 PM CEST/11:00 AM EST title "Interpreting Far-Fight Symbols." Michael will go over his latest article on the topic. If you're interested in researching the far-right, don't miss this talk!
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/13/2023 11:00 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! Michael Colborne's talk on identifying far-right symbols is starting NOW in our Stage! Get in here! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1093485469146288168
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If anyone wants a good book about why we are seeing a rise in authoritarianism around the globe I would highly suggest reading “The Road to Unfreedom” by Timothy Snyder, he gets it spot on. We are studying his work right now in my poly-sci class
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He has gained a lot of recognition in the political science world because he warned people about the war in Ukraine and the January 6th insurrection months before either happened (edited)
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fromdefilade 4/15/2023 11:20 AM
OSINT Framework. Contribute to lockfale/OSINT-Framework development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Some OSINT tools for researchers
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I’m not well versed in the subject but I saw this on a chud discord
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joe hill’s revenge 4/15/2023 4:54 PM
Research is a big part of our organization, would anyone be able to discuss it at tomorrows general meeting? Date: Sunday 4/16 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: mutual aid (I got a list of people who seem to have connections, and we can probably put together a network), marketing, networking (National Lawyers Guild?) (edited)
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/16/2023 2:59 PM
Good evening @Event Notifications ! Week 2 of the Discord Server Book Club is starting now! Come talk about Chapters 2 and 3 of "We are Bellingcat" by Eliot Higgins in The Stage! Check out this week's discussion questions here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kUsxJqvoIv-B5bfF0oMzYtQDzLdzh5pn3-KLgfDwJqc/edit?usp=sharing https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1096509423595302922
Bellingcat Discord Server Book Club Discussion Questions Current book: “We are Bellingcat” by Eliot Higgins Month/year: April 2023 Week 2 (Chapter 2 and Chapter 3): Chapter 2: Becoming Bellingcat On pages 69-70, Eliot describes how Aric geolocated his first image “with no specialized knowledg...
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/17/2023 9:07 AM
Hello @everyone! We hope you had a great weekend! It's Monday, and that means that we've got a new week of events here in the Bellingcat Discord server. Mark your calendars for these event announcements:
  • Bellingcat Live! on Twitch is on as usual this Wednesday, April 19 starting at 4:30 PM CEST/10:30 AM EST. I'll be talking about the intelligence leaks, ongoing research at Bellingcat, and open source tools.
  • The Belling Discord Server Book Club will meet for week 3/4 of "We Are Bellingcat" by Eliot Higgins this Sunday, April 22 starting at 9:00 PM CEST/3:00 PM EST. Come ready to talk about Chapters 3 and 4 of the book!
  • Bellingcat's very own Eliot Higgins will give a Stage Talk on Thursday, April 27th, starting at 3:00 PM CEST/9:00 AM EST. Eliot will talk about "We Are Bellingcat", as well as others Bellingcat-related topics. Come listen to his talk live, and ask him questions during the Q&A!
Have a great week! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1097442892689199104 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1097443148826943559 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1097442530074837042
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/19/2023 10:31 AM
@Event Notifications Bellingcat Live! on Twitch is starting now! Drop by to hear special guest Aric Toler talk about the intelligence leaks investigation and fallout! https://www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live
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Hey, I need a deep dive into info based off of a couple of first names and a license plate #. Anyone have that capacity? DM me.
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Hey, I need a deep dive into info based off of a couple of first names and a license plate #. Anyone have that capacity? DM me.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/22/2023 1:43 PM
I’ve nothing to do for the next 5 hours
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I’ll give it a shot
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@floppunism [BOI, ID] HMB-7508
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NY plates, I believe
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Threeper stickers on it, likely belongs to an AJ or a Mike.
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Hey, I need a deep dive into info based off of a couple of first names and a license plate #. Anyone have that capacity? DM me.
AvoidOblivion 4/22/2023 10:29 PM
If you’re still looking for help, can I DM you about this? I likely won’t be able to find anything too deep, but I am still up for helping.
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Sure. I've got a few more too. Chuds were greater in number today, apparently, but we got some good video and photos.
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In fact, we've got a bunch of photos and video from the event today that needs comparing to stuff from last week. I'm planning on making a dossier of local chuds
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/24/2023 2:44 PM
Hello @everyone ! It's Monday, and that means that we've got a full week of events and activities here in the Bellingcat Discord server!
  • Don't miss Bellingcat Live! on Twitch on Wednesday April 26, starting at 4:30 PM CEST/10:30 AM EST. I'll be talking about the latest news from Bellingcat, sharing open source research tools that you can use in your own work, and finishing off the stream with a couple of rounds of Geoguessr.
  • Bellingcat Founder and Creative Director Eliot Higgins will give a Stage Talk on Thursday, April 27, starting at 3:00 PM CEST/9:00 AM EST. Eliot will be talking about his book, "We Are Bellingcat", which tells the story of Bellingcat's early days. Make sure you listen to the talk live, and ask Eliot your questions at the end during our Q&A session.
  • The Bellingcat Discord Server Book Club will meet for the fourth and final time this Sunday, April 30, at 9:00 PM CEST/3:00 PM EST, to talk about the last few chapters of "We Are Bellingcat" by Eliot Higgins. If you like reading, and you like Bellingcat, come by to discuss the book with other community members.
That's all for this week! Have a great one! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1099966717180006503 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1097442530074837042 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1100039985278754836
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Call for research. Just got word from someone I trust about a potential big fish among WP, need more details. Name: Pete LaBarre Company: Rare Earth Developments and Investments. https://www.rareearthdev.com/ Former Air Force/Air Force Reserve Has apparently significant contacts within Colorado GQP/GOP, also with Colorado Springs White power groups, fancies himself the next Trump. Married to a Spanish national with potential Franco family connections. (edited)
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/26/2023 10:30 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! The Twitch stream is starting now! Get in here to learn about the latest from Bellingcat! https://www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live
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Call for research. Just got word from someone I trust about a potential big fish among WP, need more details. Name: Pete LaBarre Company: Rare Earth Developments and Investments. https://www.rareearthdev.com/ Former Air Force/Air Force Reserve Has apparently significant contacts within Colorado GQP/GOP, also with Colorado Springs White power groups, fancies himself the next Trump. Married to a Spanish national with potential Franco family connections. (edited)
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/26/2023 10:31 AM
When I get home I’ll take a look.
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 4/27/2023 8:58 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! The Stage Talk with Eliot Higgins (Eliot2 !) is starting right now! Drop by to hear Eliot talk about his book, "We Are Bellingcat"!
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joe hill’s revenge 4/27/2023 12:19 PM
Public Meeting Date: Sunday 4/30 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: TBA
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/2/2023 11:08 AM
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Anyone have information on these guys or their symbols?
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@Eazy8 Antifa Viking Symbols look runic, you might have some info.
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@NGNMGoon These guys were in Akron and Columbus
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 11:13 AM
That’s either a B or a P, then it looks like two Ls and a T
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Guy on the top right looks like he just smashed a bunch of letters together, but it looks like it says TH, (glasses in the way), TT, A, N
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I’ve never encountered either combo of letters used as a symbol of any group before
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The shirt one is probably an acronym of some kind disguised, which is what these guys often do, while the second one might be a word, but I’ve got no clue (edited)
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That second character might be an O, if they’re using elder Futhark or mix and Matching
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Then it would say something like THOTTAN, which may be a misspelling of either Wotan or Jotun, but I’m not sure
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/2/2023 11:25 AM
maybe they’re just nazi thots
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thank you very much though! your knowledge is awesome
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 11:25 AM
First letter on his head could also be a W, (hard to tell cause of the angle), in which case it’s definitely Wottan, (gonna go all pedantic need, but it should be Wotan, not with two Ts)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/2/2023 11:27 AM
Wotan would probably make sense if they’re speaking about an Aryan god
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 11:27 AM
A lot of the skin head guys who want to call themselves “Neo-Pagan” or whatever label they wish to use, insist on spelling Odin as Wotan because “it’s more correct” even though it’s just one of several ways
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Wotan is the Anglo-Saxon way to spell and pronounce it, Odin is more appropriate to Norse and Icelandic, and Woden is correct for continental Germanic languages
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Wotan would probably make sense if they’re speaking about an Aryan god
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 11:28 AM
I’m betting it’s a misspelling of Wotan (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/2/2023 11:29 AM
on par for the average intelligence of a nazi
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 11:29 AM
The logo on the shirt is new to me tho, I’ll keep looking at it
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on par for the average intelligence of a nazi
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 11:29 AM
Truth
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Kinda ironic for the lowest form of human intelligence to tattoo the God of Wisdom on his head, and to spell it wrong to boot
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Shirt definitely says BLLT, but I’m not sure what that means
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/2/2023 11:32 AM
bacon lettuce losers and tomatoes
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 11:33 AM
Mayhaps
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 11:40 AM
Reaching out to some reenactor friends to see if they’ve got any clues
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 12:39 PM
One of them mentioned that it might be for a group called “Blood Tribe”
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/2/2023 12:49 PM
@floppunism [BOI, ID], looked it up, they’re definitely Blood Tribe
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I’m asking my contacts with ADL’s Center on Extremism to see what they can come up with
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COE tracks the Blood Tribe closely (and Pohlhaus, who is the man with the face tattoo). Cal is actually currently in the process of creating a backgrounder report on the group as they have increasingly been active the last several months. Here is a little write up on the group: Blood Tribe is a neo-Nazi group with semi-autonomous chapters in the United States and Canada. Blood Tribe promotes hardline white supremacist views and openly directs its vitriol at Jews, "non-whites" and the LGBTQ+ community. Blood Tribe formed online in 2021, when neo-Nazi Christopher Pohlhaus began referring to his followers as the “blood tribe.” As his following grew, Pohlhaus began holding and attending private white supremacist gatherings which eventually led to formal “Blood Tribe” membership ceremonies. In 2023, members of the Blood Tribe began participating in anti-LGBTQ+ protests. During those protests, dozens of members, dressed uniformly in red shirts, black masks and black masks, shouted racial and anti-LGBTQ+ slurs, waved swastika flags and gave Hitler salutes.
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The pictures above are from their most recent event in Columbus, Ohio on April 29, where approximately 26 individuals associated with Blood Tribe protested an adult drag show. Participants wore matching red Blood Tribe pullovers and held a banner that read: “There Will Be Blood.” Chris Pohlhaus also attended the event wearing all black and a red suit jacket. Multiple members were visibly armed.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
@NGNMGoon These guys were in Akron and Columbus
Yeah, thats the blood tribe. That's 4 norse runes on their shirts.
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COE tracks the Blood Tribe closely (and Pohlhaus, who is the man with the face tattoo). Cal is actually currently in the process of creating a backgrounder report on the group as they have increasingly been active the last several months. Here is a little write up on the group: Blood Tribe is a neo-Nazi group with semi-autonomous chapters in the United States and Canada. Blood Tribe promotes hardline white supremacist views and openly directs its vitriol at Jews, "non-whites" and the LGBTQ+ community. Blood Tribe formed online in 2021, when neo-Nazi Christopher Pohlhaus began referring to his followers as the “blood tribe.” As his following grew, Pohlhaus began holding and attending private white supremacist gatherings which eventually led to formal “Blood Tribe” membership ceremonies. In 2023, members of the Blood Tribe began participating in anti-LGBTQ+ protests. During those protests, dozens of members, dressed uniformly in red shirts, black masks and black masks, shouted racial and anti-LGBTQ+ slurs, waved swastika flags and gave Hitler salutes.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/2/2023 2:16 PM
Awesome, thank you very much. Glad to have connections like you
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joe hill’s revenge 5/2/2023 5:49 PM
They r the blood tribe
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Wasn’t aware of these, thank you!
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 5/11/2023 10:56 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! Aric Toler's talk on how to build a curriculum to teach open source researcher classes is starting in 5 minutes! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1105171119994064966
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 5/22/2023 10:49 AM
Hello @everyone ! We hope that you had a great weekend, and that you're having a fantastic start to your week! We've got a busy one here at the Bellingcat Discord Server, jam-packed with events for you to join and learn from. This is what's happening this week:
  • Bellingcat Live! on Twitch is back! Drop by the Twitch this Wednesday, May 24th starting at 4:30 PM CEST / 10:30 AM EST to hear about the latest and greatest from Bellingcat. As always, we'll end the stream with a round or two of Geoguessr!
  • Our next Stage Talk guest is Jason Stanley, who will be dropping by on Thursday, May 25th starting at 5:00 PM CEST / 11:00 AM EST! Jason will be talking to us about his book, "How Fascism Works." Don't miss it!
  • The Bellingcat Discord Server Book Club will meet on Sunday, May 28th, starting at 9:00 PM CEST / 3 PM EST to wrap up Jason Stanley's "How Fascism Works." Come hang out with your fellow server friends and share your thoughts and questions about this book.
Have a great week, and I'll see you at these events! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1108348501961748512 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1108348169030484028 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1110214527611584612
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 5/24/2023 10:30 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! Bellingcat Live! on Twitch is back! Starting right now! Come hang out in the chat and learn about open source research! https://www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live
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I've got a challenge for anyone with a lot of time and some good research skills. Genesee Valley Observer is a local fascist publication. It is run almost entirely by a man who is named Leon Rome. Leon Rome is a fake name. There's no record of him anywhere. The who.is Intel 4 related websites and Facebook pages isn't helpful either. What we do know is that GVO has been mentioned on the National Justice Party Telegram, and we think whoever runs the site is also promoting themselves within NJP. The publication has attempted to docs multiple activists, and focuses around spreading disinformation about people of color and the LGBTQIA community. Locals have been working for over a year trying to get leads on who this may be, but we keep hitting dead ends. If anybody has the resources or know-how to help, it would be appreciated.
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Rochester NY News is an online newspaper covering local news in Rochester NY. Read about what's going on around town.
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I've got a challenge for anyone with a lot of time and some good research skills. Genesee Valley Observer is a local fascist publication. It is run almost entirely by a man who is named Leon Rome. Leon Rome is a fake name. There's no record of him anywhere. The who.is Intel 4 related websites and Facebook pages isn't helpful either. What we do know is that GVO has been mentioned on the National Justice Party Telegram, and we think whoever runs the site is also promoting themselves within NJP. The publication has attempted to docs multiple activists, and focuses around spreading disinformation about people of color and the LGBTQIA community. Locals have been working for over a year trying to get leads on who this may be, but we keep hitting dead ends. If anybody has the resources or know-how to help, it would be appreciated.
AvoidOblivion 5/26/2023 9:44 AM
"Leon Rome" sounds like a very lazy pseudonym. This could sound stupid, or perhaps it has already been tried before, but could it be an anagram of the person's real name? When people choose fake names, many are often lazy and go for something similar or base it around a nickname they've been given. That could be a place to start.
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 5/29/2023 3:46 PM
Hello @everyone! Happy Monday! We hope that you're having a great start to your week! We've got a couple of events in the coming days to announce today, as well as another bit of news. The upcoming events are:
  • Bellingcat Live! on Twitch: Catch it this Wednesday, May 31, starting at 4:30 PM CEST/10:30 AM EST. I'll be on talking about a new article we published on border clashes between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, sharing open source research tools, and playing Geoguessr!
  • Bellingcat Discord Server Book Club: The first meeting of the June edition of the Book Club will be on Sunday, June 11, starting at 9:00 PM CEST. The book for June is "Psychology of Intelligence Analysis" by Richards Heuer. So, grab your copy, read the first half of the book, learn lots, and come ready to talk about it with the Book Club!
Some Other News:
  • I finally caught up with the Stage Talk backlog, and have uploaded the talks by Aric Toler, Eliot Higgins, Michael Colborne, and Jason Stanley to our Soundcloud page! They're all great, so make sure to check them out: https://www.soundcloud.com/bellingcat
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 5/31/2023 10:31 AM
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@AvoidOblivion We've been trying the obvious stuff. Initials, anagrams, etc. Nothing yet.
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@AvoidOblivion We've been trying the obvious stuff. Initials, anagrams, etc. Nothing yet.
AvoidOblivion 6/1/2023 2:04 PM
Would it be possible to make a list of every user that shares something from the GVO? You could find out which users share it and reference it the most, as you said they are the NJP telegram. If the identities of the users who share anything from the GVO can be identified, one could theoretically look for a common person they connect with on social media. I’m not knowledgeable on the social media sites for the Rochester area, but if a list of users outside of Telegram, such as on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or whatnot, who promote GVO is made, that could help. Feel free to ask for clarification on any of those points. I’m not fully aware of the situation and am not fully awake currently.
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Would it be possible to make a list of every user that shares something from the GVO? You could find out which users share it and reference it the most, as you said they are the NJP telegram. If the identities of the users who share anything from the GVO can be identified, one could theoretically look for a common person they connect with on social media. I’m not knowledgeable on the social media sites for the Rochester area, but if a list of users outside of Telegram, such as on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or whatnot, who promote GVO is made, that could help. Feel free to ask for clarification on any of those points. I’m not fully aware of the situation and am not fully awake currently.
AvoidOblivion 6/1/2023 2:04 PM
You could perhaps use a program to make those lists.
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AvoidOblivion 6/2/2023 9:40 AM
It has near-zero potential, but the pseudonym “Leon Rome” reminds me of the phrase “Only in Rome.”
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So, with it being Pride, and the National Christians aka Nat-Cs aka Fascist heretics are in full pissbaby mode, its time for my Agnostic ass to drop this little booklet that clarifies, informs and explains the context and mistranslations of Biblical scripture those Nat-C's are gonna abuse and intentionally mistranslate https://elcvienna.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Booklet-about-Homosexuality-and-the-Bible-Sept.-2016.pdf
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bit of context: Janet Edmond is methodist who is part of a group trying to purge homophobic rules and fuckery in the Methodist church
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 6/12/2023 4:31 PM
Hello @everyone ! We hope that you had a fantastic weekend, and that your week is off to a great start! We're here to announce a couple of upcoming events this week that you won't want to miss!
  • Bellingcat Live! on Twitch is back this Wednesday, June 14, starting at 4:30 PM CEST/10:30 AM EST. Drop by the stream to hang out with Giancarlo and the chat and hear the latest news from Bellingcat. As always, we'll have lots of time for Q&A, show off open source research tools, and end with a couple of rounds of Geoguessr!
  • Our next Stage Talk is titled "Insights from Rights Con 2023, and features Bellingcat Researchers Charlotte Godart and Logan Williams. Charlotte and Logan will share their experiences from last week at RightsCon, the world's #1 human rights conference. The talk will take place this Thursday, June 15, starting at 4:00 PM CEST/10:00 AM EST.
  • The Bellingcat Discord Server Book Club will meet again this coming Sunday, June 25, starting at 9:00 PM CEST/3:00 PM EST to wrap up their reading of "Psychology of Intelligence Analysis." You've got two weeks to get through the book and join in on another invigorating discussion!
That's it for now! Have a great week! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1117911677946581116 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1117912318777499810 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1117631716497031188
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CaulPartBallMop 6/14/2023 1:43 PM
Anyone have any good basic introductory resources on anonymous research and dark web stuff? I'm trying to take on a project on mapping out active white supremacist groups in my area, but I wouldn't want to be doing that while broadcasting my IP the whole time. I also imagine I'd have to scrape some dark web areas to find some of the stuff going on. I have an old computer I'm not using anymore that'd be perfect to start on but Im a bit overwhelmed with the amount of information on the topic of web privacy
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Anyone have any good basic introductory resources on anonymous research and dark web stuff? I'm trying to take on a project on mapping out active white supremacist groups in my area, but I wouldn't want to be doing that while broadcasting my IP the whole time. I also imagine I'd have to scrape some dark web areas to find some of the stuff going on. I have an old computer I'm not using anymore that'd be perfect to start on but Im a bit overwhelmed with the amount of information on the topic of web privacy
I mean if all you want is to hide your IP a regular VPN will suffice, for extra security use Tor Browser (https://www.torproject.org/download/), which can access .onion links (i.e. what most "dark web" sites use)
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And here's a guide to hardening Firefox (basically making it more secure by preventing Firefox from automatically sending info to websites you visit) should you be interested: https://brainfucksec.github.io/firefox-hardening-guide#introduction (edited)
Update: 23 April 2023
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Though this isn't really necessary unless you're super concerned about privacy
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CaulPartBallMop 6/14/2023 2:04 PM
This is perfect thank you.
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 6/15/2023 10:01 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! Our Stage Talk featuring Bellingcat researchers Charlotte Godart, Logan Williams, Tristan Lee, and Aiganysh Aiderbekova is starting now! They'll be sharing their experiences at RightsCon 2023, which just wrapped up in Costa Rica last week. Don't miss it!
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 6/21/2023 10:30 AM
@Event Notifications ! Bellingcat Live! is on! Come hang out and learn about open source research! https://www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live
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Hey all looking for a Nicholas Elkin. (Born 5/13/1990) He has a black Dashaud mix dog by the name of Taco, and rides the rails. I found his phone. The phone was damaged, but I recovered the memory card . I want to give him back his data. He got some cool photos.
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Hey all looking for a Nicholas Elkin. (Born 5/13/1990) He has a black Dashaud mix dog by the name of Taco, and rides the rails. I found his phone. The phone was damaged, but I recovered the memory card . I want to give him back his data. He got some cool photos.
AvoidOblivion 6/25/2023 6:45 AM
What state are you in?
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Or, rather, what state did you find it in?
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Tracks on the west side of Spokane, WA. However the photos document a trip down route 66, and train hoping everywhere from Chicago, to La Grange, to Portland, to Seattle, to SLC. Dude a traveller, he might have a youtube channel. I had no luck in running him down.
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AvoidOblivion 6/25/2023 7:15 AM
What type of phone is it?
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Is it possible to figure out which state he lives in with the info on his phone, or which side of the country?
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The phone was destroyed. All we recovered was the inner guts. I think he is as they say "unhoused". The photos/videos are from all over the western united states. From the top to the bottom.
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AvoidOblivion 6/25/2023 7:30 AM
Ok. I found someone named Nicholas Elkin from Illinois who lives in Tennessee, as of the latest update to his profile, which could have been 2018. His profile banner includes what one would expect a train hopper to bring and a dog.
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The problem is that I can’t find a similar angle of his face to compare with, and the birthday doesn’t check out. The profile hasn’t been used since late 2018 it seems.
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Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know.
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He reposted/liked/commented on leftist and anarchist posts.
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Under “work” it says “mad skilled poet at Hobo Poet.”
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AvoidOblivion 6/25/2023 7:42 AM
Do the dogs look similar?
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Ok. I found someone named Nicholas Elkin from Illinois who lives in Tennessee, as of the latest update to his profile, which could have been 2018. His profile banner includes what one would expect a train hopper to bring and a dog.
That would be him. That bag set and photo are on the memory card.
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AvoidOblivion 6/25/2023 12:19 PM
Wonderful!
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Thank you.
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AvoidOblivion 6/25/2023 12:27 PM
A website called “officialusa.com” lists his address and possible relatives/friends if you’d like to check that.
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I already got his parents, sisters and possibly a few close friends from the facebook. I have messaged them via facebook messenger. His sister seems to be pretty active on facebook.
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Honestly this guy memory cards has years worth of of traveling and the coolest photos of street art, street protest, and things that only a person with a extreme need for travel would ever see. We talking 12 -13 gig bytes in photos alone. That not counting videos. This is like some stuff that leads to a book.
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 6/26/2023 5:33 PM
Hello @everyone! Happy Monday! We hope that you had an amazing weekend, and that you're having a great start to your week! I'm here to announce that we'll be having two events this week:
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@lolar7997 Maybe stick his stuff online somewhere that's accessible so he can get at it remotely?
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We made contact. I will be sending it to his parents
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 6/29/2023 10:59 AM
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Why share this? Because Daniel Schmidt needs to start having a very miserable life. (edited)
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"The instigator was Daniel Schmidt, a sophomore and conservative activist with tens of thousands of social media followers. He tweeted, “Anti-white hatred is now mainstream academic inquiry,” along with the course description and Dr. Journey’s photo and university email address."
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Bigoted little weasel needs some of the same attention he gives.
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Daniel Schmidt deserves a case of Cyberbullying of his own imo
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 7/10/2023 2:45 PM
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 7/13/2023 10:58 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! Bellingcat's own Tristan Lee is on The Stage right now getting ready to talk about the Order of Nine Angles and Satanist Neo-Nazis! Catch his talk and ask him lots of questions! He's an expert on this! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1128031960460169236
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blackflageoph 7/13/2023 11:39 PM
Dammit. Forgot to set my alarm. Being on the west coast can definitely have its disadvantages.
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str8 up demon 7/19/2023 2:17 AM
for those needing better organizing of info i reccomend keepnote
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 7/24/2023 5:06 PM
Hello @everyone! We hope that you've had a great weekend, and that your Monday is going p-e-r-f-e-c-t-l-y! I'm here to announce that our next Stage Talk will take place this Thursday, July 27, at 5:00 PM CET/11:00 AM EST. The talk will feature Bellingcat Researcher & Trainer Narine Khachatryan, who will host a candid discussion on her experiences with her mental health in the line of work. Narine hopes to foster a space where you'll feel safe to share your thoughts, questions, and experiences with this topic. Also, don't miss the the Book Club's final meeting on "The History of Burma" by Thant Myint-U. That meeting will take place this Sunday, July 30, at 9:00 PM CET/3:00 PM EST. I'm also going to try my best to stream on our Youtube and Twitch channels on Wednesday July 26 at 4:30 PM CET/10:30 AM EST, but please don't consider this a formal announcement that I will because I'm really, really busy this week and I may not be able to in the end sad Don't miss these other events, though! Have a great week! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1133141730636603434 https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1123782735912239114
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 7/27/2023 10:57 AM
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 7/31/2023 4:29 PM
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 8/2/2023 10:31 AM
@Event Notifications Bellingcat Live! is back on Twitch and Youtube starting right now! Get in here! http://www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live (edited)
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 8/8/2023 6:50 AM
Hey @everyone! Happy new week! Don't miss our next Stage Talk this Thursday, August 10, at 5:00 PM CET/11:00 AM EST. The talk will feature Bellingcat researcher Youri van der Weide, discussing his latest research on the IDF raids in Jenin and how users within the server can collaborate on future Bellingcat investigations, just like those who featured on the Jenin piece of research. We hope you can bring questions and comments about what you'd like collaborative work to look like in this server! Ill be moderating and as ever will be monitoring the chat. Find the event here: https://discord.gg/bellingcat?event=1138422708472913931
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 8/21/2023 1:02 PM
Excited to share that this week we'll be joined by Aram Shabanian from the New Lines Institute for our Stage Talk at 5:00pm CET/11:00 AM EST on Thursday , August 24th. We'll be discussing how to monitor live video feeds! Be there! https://discord.gg/bellingcat?event=1143227943737376788
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 8/23/2023 10:30 AM
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 8/24/2023 5:13 AM
Hello @everyone! I hope that you're having a great week. I'm here to announce an exciting event involving satellite imagery! Planet Labs (https://www.planet.com/) have gifted us a number of taskings, and we'd like for you to suggest to us how to use them. Starting today, we're inviting you to submit locations for us to take satellite images of via Planet. To submit your location suggestion, simply go to our #deleted-channel channel, and tell us where you'd like us to task an image. When submitting your suggestion, please use the following format: Name of location: Coordinates: Why is this important?: We'll be accepting suggestions until Monday at 11:59 PM CEST (Amsterdam). After that point, we'll go through the submissions and shortlist a few. We'll have more information on how we'll publish the locations that we select at that time. We're looking forward to seeing your suggestions! (edited)
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 8/24/2023 11:01 AM
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str8 up demon 8/25/2023 12:49 AM
@Harvey Sherman
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i saw you also do OSINT
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thats fucking rad
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have you met the other OSINT peeps yet?
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Harvey Sherman 8/25/2023 12:50 AM
I have not, I just joined the server yesterday
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OSINT is one of those hobbies of mine that I can’t really tell to most folks, for obvious reasons
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But it’s definitely yielded some interesting finds, particularly when it comes to finding new lingo and symbols that fascists and sympathizers use to communicate with each other
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I’ve got a spreadsheet of a ton of follower data I gathered from openly racist Twitter accounts a while back, I’ve been meaning to actually go in and clean it up so it can potentially be useful to others
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str8 up demon 8/25/2023 1:01 AM
well heres something that might help you
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i do bootblacking as a hobby aka leather shining/polishing
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doc martens with white/red laces
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are often tied with neo nazi groups
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the white represents the supremacy the red means said person has killed someone
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they would likely be highly polished and scuffed af
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Harvey Sherman 8/25/2023 1:05 AM
That’s an interesting find, thanks for the tip. I wasn’t sure how many of the Neo-Nazi groups were still trying to go the route of skinhead aesthetic, so many of them are more into cosplaying Meal Team Six in their tacticool gear
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str8 up demon 8/25/2023 1:05 AM
i ran into a skinhead in my town recently while i was cleaning some leather for bikers at a local bar
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i refused service and he got pissy
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I told him if he has an issue we can disucss it outside when i was done
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(he left)
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I do have a nice pic of him though
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Harvey Sherman 8/25/2023 1:08 AM
The grandstanding machismo of these types is always a delight to watch crumble. They obsess over the idea of masculinity being an inherently “tough” concept while simultaneously being some of the most sensitive nancies on the planet
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I’d love to talk with any other OSINT folks in this server as well, is this the best channel for us to converse?
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str8 up demon
i ran into a skinhead in my town recently while i was cleaning some leather for bikers at a local bar
joe hill’s revenge 8/25/2023 3:06 AM
R u sure he was a racist skin?
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str8 up demon 8/25/2023 10:55 AM
yeah
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dude had ZOG tattoed on his arm
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joe hill’s revenge
R u sure he was a racist skin?
str8 up demon 8/25/2023 10:56 AM
yeah
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str8 up demon
dude had ZOG tattoed on his arm
joe hill’s revenge 8/25/2023 11:34 AM
Lol
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Like just zog?
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What would that mean?
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Zionist Occupation Government, antisemitic conspo shit
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stuff about the new world order and the like
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 8/30/2023 10:30 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! I'm LIVE on Twitch and YouTube talking about Bellingcat and about open source research! Come hang out and play Geoguessr! https://www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHQWJajFmXQ
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A Lee Airbnb host was banned on Sunday from the short-term rental site over her connections to a well-known neo-Nazi.
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The Blood Tribe is building a "neo-Nazi 'training camp' ... in the woods of Springfield, a rural Penobscot County town more than an hour north of Bangor."
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 9/6/2023 10:30 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! It's Bellingcat Live time! Come hang out in the chat, learn about open source research, and play Geoguessr! https://www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM6KNCW2Lqk
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 9/11/2023 9:06 AM
This thursday join us at the slightly later time of 6:00pm CEST/12:00 AM EST for the next Stage Talk with Bellingcat tech fellow Sophie Tedling! She'll be showcasing Peakvisor, the mountaineering application, as a useful open-source tool! https://discord.gg/bellingcat?event=1150778800544686110
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 9/13/2023 10:27 AM
Hello @Event Notifications ! I'm going LIVE on Twitch/YouTube right now! I'll be talking about Aric moving to the New York Times and our latest publications, and playing Geoguessr! Come join the fun! https://www.twitch.tv/bellingcat_live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egpvnb6mYD8
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Bellingcat #announcements SERVER 9/14/2023 12:01 PM
Hello @Event Notifications! Sophie Tedling is giving a Stage Talk right now where she'll show you how to use PeakVisor for geolocations! Don't miss it! https://discord.com/events/709752884257882135/1150778800544686110
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