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Skullmaggot 7/24/2022 5:56 PM
Please post and debate upon what we can successfully do right now. There's a lot of people with a lot of goals but we need that input vocalized to organize around actionable choices. This is different from requesting graphics/content. Actionable choices are small and immediate, would involve people, encourage thoughtful debate, and give people an idea of what to work towards. (edited)
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Here's some brainstorming I did recently. These ideas all center around actions a local group could do IRL. Along with the digital and online work that needs to be done, I think a major goal of this group should be to link up as many people in real life that want to, and form strong chapters in cities and communities.
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Socialize Restaurants / Bars Cookouts at Homes Community Events Concerts Hobbies Exercise Jogging Ruck Marches / Hiking Local Forest trails Urban Marches Weight Training Scheduled group PT occasionally Training Range Days Training on handling, shooting firearms and tactical gear Find private land willing to host Group Discounts at commercial ranges WMA’s Field Tactics First Aid Tactical movement Orienteering Basic combat and self-defense Farming Build Yardens for each other Voting / Politics School boards, Local Elections Support local candidates and each other for office Poll Watching Voter Registration Door to Door outreach Neighborhood Watch Emergency Contacts House Checks when away Economic Support Networks Gardening food share Women’s Health logistical support Patronize each other’s employment / discounts (edited)
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No firearm training?
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Range Days
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yes I didnt clarify that
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but I have some land at my work where we could actually do training on proper handling
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since you can't really do that at a commercial range
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will edit
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You said ruck marches, and thats gross
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I'm gonna weigh those rucks private, they better by 40 lbs at least
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Might wanna get some of the soft bodies some core strengthening exercises before ruckin
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haha Red Week it is. But yeah that's a good point.
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Skullmaggot
Please post and debate upon what we can successfully do right now. There's a lot of people with a lot of goals but we need that input vocalized to organize around actionable choices. This is different from requesting graphics/content. Actionable choices are small and immediate, would involve people, encourage thoughtful debate, and give people an idea of what to work towards. (edited)
thechromatograph3r 7/25/2022 7:34 PM
Pull local like-minded people together. Develop contingency plans. Train in groups…armed.
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Steve Mike
I'm gonna weigh those rucks private, they better by 40 lbs at least
35lbs is max for knee damage just FYI, the DOD released a white paper back in like 2012. Still excellent calorie burning from my experience.
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ive got a feeling like interpersonal relationships between members needs to be more concrete, i like the idea of hikes and other outdoorsy bonding events
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ive got a feeling like interpersonal relationships between members needs to be more concrete, i like the idea of hikes and other outdoorsy bonding events
Drinking steel reserve, a team building exercise
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exactly im all for that
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the question is, when where and how?
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must this organization be delegated to the chapters?
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Pretty much, if locals wanna make events they should
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Ironfront USA summer camp extravaganza? We could steal a hike in beach at lake Eufaula in Oklahoma & have it to ourselves for a weekend. I'm pretty sure we can rent out the entire peninsula for Appalachia bay up on keystone for $2500 a day if we're willing to buy liability insurance for the event.
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Then we could go run airsoft Inna woods & some all terrain ruck marches round the place.
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I'm up for that, not sure about the location though
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Ironfront USA summer camp extravaganza? We could steal a hike in beach at lake Eufaula in Oklahoma & have it to ourselves for a weekend. I'm pretty sure we can rent out the entire peninsula for Appalachia bay up on keystone for $2500 a day if we're willing to buy liability insurance for the event.
Braakinthesaddle 7/27/2022 4:58 AM
Man, I haven't been to Eufala in over a decade. Then again, if we ever went to the lake, it was usually Arcadia.
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Doctor Eval 7/27/2022 12:14 PM
Official iron front boycott list, complete with reasoning and evidence (edited)
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Stop eating chocolate: The vast majority of chocolate is produced with child slave labor & the chocolate industry has caused millions of deaths in African nations sponsoring violent regime changes to prevent reforms. There are very few slave free chocolate suppliers & several of them have been caught cheating. Bottled water: similar to chocolate except that nestle lobby's governments for control of water supplies, artificially restricts their distribution, and then sells it back to the now drought ridden people at monopoly rates. Bang Energy: their CEO / Owner is a Trump donor.
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Stop eating chocolate: The vast majority of chocolate is produced with child slave labor & the chocolate industry has caused millions of deaths in African nations sponsoring violent regime changes to prevent reforms. There are very few slave free chocolate suppliers & several of them have been caught cheating. Bottled water: similar to chocolate except that nestle lobby's governments for control of water supplies, artificially restricts their distribution, and then sells it back to the now drought ridden people at monopoly rates. Bang Energy: their CEO / Owner is a Trump donor.
WojtektheBear 7/27/2022 12:22 PM
This isn’t really relevant except for bang energy and even then this is personal boycotts, not AIF work
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It sucks but let’s stay focus on the fash
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Official iron front boycott list, complete with reasoning and evidence (edited)
WojtektheBear 7/27/2022 12:23 PM
Trump people sure but we’re antifascists not just anti every bad thing
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[Anarchist grumbling] So we're looking for businesses owned & or operated by fascists / fascist sympathizers? Is that our primary criteria?
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[Anarchist grumbling] So we're looking for businesses owned & or operated by fascists / fascist sympathizers? Is that our primary criteria?
WojtektheBear 7/27/2022 12:27 PM
Yes that would make much more sense. My Pillow, Overstock, etc.
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Lol anarchist grumbling, valid feel
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WojtektheBear
Lol anarchist grumbling, valid feel
I'm just saying, child slave labor & holodomor style water control feel fascist. ✨️ Sparkling Authoritarianism ✨️ (edited)
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I'm just saying, child slave labor & holodomor style water control feel fascist. ✨️ Sparkling Authoritarianism ✨️ (edited)
WojtektheBear 7/27/2022 12:30 PM
I mean the line between fascism and corporatism is mostly cultural. Regardless we are focused on beating back the fascist threat at home and similar political movements and reactionary forces abroad (Orbán, Bolsonaro, Putin)
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Big iron front meet up of some sort would be cool; get ppl inspired
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So after braining at work, we should probably start by compiling a list of fascists. Then we make a list of all of their employers, businesses, associates, & sponsors. Then we make a list of boycottable businesses/products. Then we make a list of alternative products/services provided by confirmed non-fascists. Then we can run a series of this not that propaganda posts to flood social media each featuring specific 1:1 comparisons. It's easier to differentiate products & upsell than it is to actually abstain from consumption.
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You'll run outta shit to buy lol
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Consider the agorist position, if you can't find anything you want to buy, start selling it.
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The AIF Cold-Forged foam pillow, support the fight against fascism while giving your head & neck the unyielding support of America's best pillow, OurPillow. (edited)
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We The Pillow
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We The Pillow
Now you're getting it
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Doctor Eval 7/28/2022 10:41 AM
In order to form a more perfect pillow, establish comfort, ensure domestic peaceful sleep
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Fighting fascism has never been easier!
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WojtektheBear
This isn’t really relevant except for bang energy and even then this is personal boycotts, not AIF work
Nestle is pretty bad man, they lobby like crazy down here in FL to keep their water pumping going and its destroying the ecosystem.
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Nestle is pretty bad man, they lobby like crazy down here in FL to keep their water pumping going and its destroying the ecosystem.
WojtektheBear 7/28/2022 4:54 PM
I’m sure they are but we’re not Water Protectors, you wanna organize for that you can do that. But it’s not our focus
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It's just overall, look at how much money they throw at Republican senators year after year, literally account for 50% of the funding for some, FPL is horrible too
4:56 PM
Lemme not get started on FPL because Jesus.
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They literally fill up ballots with spam politicians and dummy bills to dissuade people from voting and fund the shit out of republicans
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But ik what you mean
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Can I suggest something? While firearms are definitely not necessarily a bad idea to invest right now (although admittedly on principle I'm looking into vaguely left-leaning gun shops in my case. My city is purple-turning blue but there are still Trump supporters here and they have shown aggression to liberals and leftists before) I also think having small tactical or pocket knife and toolkit can help with prep too
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Aces high
Can I suggest something? While firearms are definitely not necessarily a bad idea to invest right now (although admittedly on principle I'm looking into vaguely left-leaning gun shops in my case. My city is purple-turning blue but there are still Trump supporters here and they have shown aggression to liberals and leftists before) I also think having small tactical or pocket knife and toolkit can help with prep too
I would agree a pocket knife would be good with other tools for survival but could not recommend a tactical or pocket knife for self defense.
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Aces high
Can I suggest something? While firearms are definitely not necessarily a bad idea to invest right now (although admittedly on principle I'm looking into vaguely left-leaning gun shops in my case. My city is purple-turning blue but there are still Trump supporters here and they have shown aggression to liberals and leftists before) I also think having small tactical or pocket knife and toolkit can help with prep too
The r/qualitytacticalgear gearamid. Knives are weapons of absolute last resort, you don't have time to become an escrima master & there are better uses of your time if you do. Knives are for utility work first.
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JohnBrosGhost 7/31/2022 12:40 PM
NGL, I’ve always dreamed of starting an anti fascist disaster relief org. Being in the Midwest, there’s lots of opportunities for action. I think it could help with PR, just folks seeing the Three Arrows in such a positive light. Would also help smal teams with communications, radio work, navigation, inhospitable environs, etc. Nothing too crazy, just a trailer with bottled water, chain saws, tarps, etc.
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I love that idea. With the frequency of our storms (including the super fun derechos we've been having recently) I can see that being super helpful
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NGL, I’ve always dreamed of starting an anti fascist disaster relief org. Being in the Midwest, there’s lots of opportunities for action. I think it could help with PR, just folks seeing the Three Arrows in such a positive light. Would also help smal teams with communications, radio work, navigation, inhospitable environs, etc. Nothing too crazy, just a trailer with bottled water, chain saws, tarps, etc.
My firehouse used to help families after disasters by using social media to ask for donations or helping to coordinate accomodations.
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Seems like an opportunity for a mutual aid structure, too
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JohnBrosGhost
NGL, I’ve always dreamed of starting an anti fascist disaster relief org. Being in the Midwest, there’s lots of opportunities for action. I think it could help with PR, just folks seeing the Three Arrows in such a positive light. Would also help smal teams with communications, radio work, navigation, inhospitable environs, etc. Nothing too crazy, just a trailer with bottled water, chain saws, tarps, etc.
Skullmaggot 7/31/2022 4:19 PM
If you’re looking to head such a project and need people and capabilities, just ask!
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:28 PM
Okay, I've got stuff: I need to find graphic designers to make (local) distributable materials, local printer people to print stuff easy, meetupers, community organizers to reach out to their community (with distributable materials), networkers to aggressively network and cold call (everybody should be networking), and I need more Human Resource people because that's how things get done! (edited)
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I've got a significant other thats a graphic design major, ill let her know and see if she has time to help us make posters / recruitment events
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Skullmaggot
Okay, I've got stuff: I need to find graphic designers to make (local) distributable materials, local printer people to print stuff easy, meetupers, community organizers to reach out to their community (with distributable materials), networkers to aggressively network and cold call (everybody should be networking), and I need more Human Resource people because that's how things get done! (edited)
Steve Mike 8/7/2022 5:07 PM
I'll be checking out a local makerspace facility this week. I'll see if we could use the place for printing
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Steve Mike
I'll be checking out a local makerspace facility this week. I'll see if we could use the place for printing
Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 5:12 PM
I believe we’ll be adding the “printer” role (if it’s not up already). I’ll contact C.J.
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It's up
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Steve Mike
I'll be checking out a local makerspace facility this week. I'll see if we could use the place for printing
Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 5:14 PM
So, yeah, so just check out #role-selection !
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 7:11 PM
What sort of already established events (e.g. food drives) do people want to get in on? Got urls to post to connect?
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Skullmaggot 8/8/2022 1:34 AM
Okay, so who's doing helping people with (youth) voter registration in their state? @MisterStompy and who else?
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Skullmaggot 8/8/2022 2:29 AM
Please define what sort of distributable materials you need so that we can find them or make them.
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Okay, so who's doing helping people with (youth) voter registration in their state? @MisterStompy and who else?
Steve Mike 8/8/2022 7:21 AM
I downloaded the Voter Registration Toolkit from rockthevote.org (link posted on WLI server). I haven't formed any concrete plans yet on the action
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Steve Mike
I downloaded the Voter Registration Toolkit from rockthevote.org (link posted on WLI server). I haven't formed any concrete plans yet on the action
Skullmaggot 8/8/2022 12:04 PM
So yeah, I’m trying to address the density problem—having enough people in one place to be effective in their goals. I’m encouraging people to join/network with already established organizations in their area. I want to see if you can get people to join what you’re doing in your area or if you can join what others are doing, and that could also be an in-person meetup event. Like, we can broadcast these opportunities. I ultimately want to collect information about what issues there are in each state and to inform both people inside and outside the collaboration of these options. Would you want me to post rockthevote or such on the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit, or would you want to post such? I would need some basic approval first on my end, but it’s something to roll with. (edited)
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So yeah, I’m trying to address the density problem—having enough people in one place to be effective in their goals. I’m encouraging people to join/network with already established organizations in their area. I want to see if you can get people to join what you’re doing in your area or if you can join what others are doing, and that could also be an in-person meetup event. Like, we can broadcast these opportunities. I ultimately want to collect information about what issues there are in each state and to inform both people inside and outside the collaboration of these options. Would you want me to post rockthevote or such on the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit, or would you want to post such? I would need some basic approval first on my end, but it’s something to roll with. (edited)
I think rockthevote should definitely go on the subreddit! I need to make an alt for reddit before I can post AIF stuff there
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joe hill’s revenge 8/8/2022 1:26 PM
I think it would be a good idea to find ways to make doing work for iron front profitable. I’m not talking about paying people; but we could emphasize how things like Human Resources work are good for college applications and provide work skills
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Skullmaggot 8/8/2022 1:47 PM
I’m not sure if this is quite anything you can put on a resume. You could get in contact with actual nonprofits/organizations in your area though.
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Skullmaggot
I’m not sure if this is quite anything you can put on a resume. You could get in contact with actual nonprofits/organizations in your area though.
WojtektheBear 8/8/2022 2:22 PM
I mean you could I’d just lie and say it was part of whatever your actual gig if that works
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Rochester and Batavia NY could use support in protesting the Reawaken America Tour (RAT). If you're nearby, there's protests on Friday 8/12 and Saturday 8/13.
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There will be a press release in the next day or so from the groups opposing the event.
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Sharing it and/or showing up to support the event resistance would be of great help.
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Skullmaggot 8/8/2022 9:29 PM
@joe hill’s revenge Were you interested in the above protest event?
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Skullmaggot
@joe hill’s revenge Were you interested in the above protest event?
joe hill’s revenge 8/8/2022 11:58 PM
I don't live anywhere near Rochester
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joe hill’s revenge
I don't live anywhere near Rochester
Skullmaggot 8/9/2022 12:10 AM
Would you be willing to transmit the signal to outside contacts, who would then be willing to transmit the signal to their contacts? Form a signal chain promoting the event?
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Skullmaggot
Would you be willing to transmit the signal to outside contacts, who would then be willing to transmit the signal to their contacts? Form a signal chain promoting the event?
joe hill’s revenge 8/9/2022 12:26 AM
sure
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do you mean share it on my instagram lol?
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do you mean share it on my instagram lol?
Skullmaggot 8/9/2022 12:32 AM
Pretty much. Or, if you know specific people or groups to contact who would spread word further to new circles.
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Skullmaggot
Pretty much. Or, if you know specific people or groups to contact who would spread word further to new circles.
joe hill’s revenge 8/9/2022 12:43 AM
sure, do you have a flyer I could share
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Skullmaggot 8/9/2022 12:44 AM
@Eightman Do you have flyers/links for the protest (or need some made)? (edited)
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Eightman
There will be a press release in the next day or so from the groups opposing the event.
joe hill’s revenge 8/9/2022 1:27 AM
I’ll wait for the press release
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@Skullmaggot I believe the local DSA has signs and flyers for the protest already made. I'm sure that any posters and/or slaps or stickers that are "Anti RAT" or generally anti-fascist wood certainly be appreciated.
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I expect the press release to be out today or tomorrow. It's being spearheaded by local DSA groups and Rochester Mutual Aid Network among others. We are on the press release as well, mostly due to my efforts to help them with messaging and slogans and boosting on digital platforms.
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I expect the press release to be out today or tomorrow. It's being spearheaded by local DSA groups and Rochester Mutual Aid Network among others. We are on the press release as well, mostly due to my efforts to help them with messaging and slogans and boosting on digital platforms.
Skullmaggot 8/9/2022 1:15 PM
Good work
6:42 PM
I'm sure that will go swimmingly for them.
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thechromatograph3r 8/9/2022 8:05 PM
“Law & Order”…[protests law and order]
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Mr.Pebbles 8/9/2022 8:13 PM
Part of me wants to see someone sneak in there and take some videos
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Sneak? It's an outdoor event. Slap on a red cap and a punisher tshirt and you'll blend right in. XD
8:15 PM
These goons have the opsec of a moody tween.
9:27 PM
Someone called for AIF directly, @New York
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its showtime
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It me. :D
9:49 PM
Well not just me. I'm helping. DSA and RMAN are spearheading.
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Any help, in person or otherwise, would be appreciated.
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I am pleased that it is being called the RAT 🐀
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That bit I can take credit for. XD
11:37 PM
As far as the event goes, here's what we know: Cornerstone Church has put up a large temporary chain link fence around their entire property, reducing the entrances from the street to a single one. It is extremely dangerous to be anywhere near the road because there is no sidewalk, and being on the side with the fence leaves very little room to be on that side of the road. Multiple members of the DSA organizations have expressed interest in a direct action protest, however the organizations as a whole have declined to officially endorse a direct action because some of them are a little worried about safety issues. They're going to be actions both Friday and Saturday, ranging from a teaching to an actual protest near the church. The protest knew the church is where they will be the most need. Anyone who shows up representing EIF is encouraged to wear AIF logos and or patches if you feel comfortable doing so. I tried hard to make a good name for us in any of the organizations we interact with, and so far I feel I've done a pretty good job.
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Batavia is about halfway between Buffalo and Rochester, so people from Buffalo encouraged to come and support.
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I wish I could make it but I’m eastern New York and I don’t wanna take a long drive
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If it was closer to my general area I’d be pleased to help
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I wish I could make it but I’m eastern New York and I don’t wanna take a long drive
Skullmaggot 8/10/2022 1:48 AM
Trains?
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I can’t afford a train ticket
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No money
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I don’t work yet
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Skullmaggot 8/10/2022 1:48 AM
Ah
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Hmm, I wonder if we can get any sort of transportation thing going…
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AIF carpool?
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I can tell you that from New York City to Batavia it's going to be at least 5 or 6 hours in a car one way. Once you're on the highway it's not a hard trip, but you might want to make arrangements to stay somewhere instead of driving out spending hours doing activist work, especially if you're planning on doing things both days.
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It would be hilarious, however, the people ended up staying in the same hotels as those attending the RAT.
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Bumping into Roger Stone at a Continental breakfast is a mental image that is really funny to me for some reason.
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Other things one can do right now, if one can't get there physically, is to signal boost as much as you can. Those information about what the RAT is everywhere, let people know, and start helping to let people in the last few cities of this place is going to be that they need to get out and stop this thing.
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Well the RAT has received negative press after the fact when they leave the cities they have been to, usually in local papers, Rochester is the first one to actually force them out of a venue. If Cornerstone Church out in bumble fuck wouldn't have given them the opportunity to hold the event, they'd be doing nothing.
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I think where AIF and some of the organizations that have come out in opposition to the RAT have a lot of potential is to get ahead of them, and let other cities know that they can be stopped. But they should start now.
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Fascist convoy confirmed:
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Lol make sure you're there at 7 AM sharp, don't want to miss "Cheryl"
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Right? Shannon Joy usually has her paws all over everything. No idea who "Cheryl" is.
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It'd be cool if someone could do a livestream of the event or protest. Maybe on the voice channel, or a youtube channel.
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Live streams are always risky, because you never know who is watching if it's publicly accessible. I've seen police and fascists try and use it to identify protesters and interfere in real time.
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Posting it as an after action report, and editing out all relevant information that could identify allies is not a bad idea.
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ah good point
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It makes good propaganda.
7:29 AM
This His Glory tee is everything you’ve dreamed of and more. It feels soft and lightweight, with the right amount of stretch. It’s comfortable and flattering for all. 100% combed and ring-spun cotton (Heather colors contain polyester) Fabric weight: 4.2 oz/yd² (142 g/m²) Pre-shrunk fabric Side-seamed construction Shoulder-to-shoulder taping Retu...
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Tshirt with the wrong city on it. XD Because we kicked them the fuck out.
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BATAVIA — The Genesee County Branch of the Democratic Socialists of America says it’s preparing an “anti-fascist teach-in” from 1 to 4 p.m., Saturday at Austin Park to stand against
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This coincides with another, separate demonstration that will be be near the chruch.
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NYAG sent a warning to the RAT organizers:
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thechromatograph3r 8/10/2022 4:54 PM
She talks the talk, but will she walk the walk?
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@thechromatograph3r If there's a crime involved, I bet she will. She was mad about how the Daniel Prude case was handled, and she stopped a run for governor because she started being able to go after Trump's NY crimes.
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I think she, while technically a cop, isn't a total piece of garbage.
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Unrelated: Magasphere is exploding with calls for civil war due to the Mar-a-Lago raid.
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The right is prepping for civil war. I’d report them all to the @FBI, but I literally don’t have time to sit report the hundreds of videos like this I’m seeing on my alt tiktok. (And they didn’t check Twitter.) so here’s a 🧵/1
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thechromatograph3r 8/10/2022 4:57 PM
Christ fuck
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Mass reporting/doxing might be a smart move.
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They're telling on themselves and making threats.
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Which, I'm sure, will all be tearfully recanted when they get a knock on the door.
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thechromatograph3r 8/10/2022 5:00 PM
Or worse...the feds won't care and we'll have another J6 + Years of Lead
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That was a wild ride. A couple of those Fudds were drunk af
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Braakinthesaddle 8/10/2022 6:45 PM
Unfortunately, simply tagging the @.FBI won't actually do anything. They need to be reported to the tip line, either online or by phone.
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Braakinthesaddle
Unfortunately, simply tagging the @.FBI won't actually do anything. They need to be reported to the tip line, either online or by phone.
oh trust me Im sure they already know about all of that
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honestly it wouldn't surprise me if they got direct threats to themselves already
7:16 PM
which...tends to not end will to the one threatening them
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joe hill’s revenge 8/10/2022 8:20 PM
Is there something for me to share yet?
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Skullmaggot 8/10/2022 8:23 PM
@Eightman Would you have anything for @joe hill’s revenge to share on their instagram?
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joe hill’s revenge 8/10/2022 8:45 PM
-Antifascist alert- The Genesee County Branch of the Democratic Socialists of America says it’s preparing an “anti-fascist teach-in” from 1 to 4 p.m., Saturday at Austin Park in Batavia ny to stand against the local stop of the ReAwaken America Tour.
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cancel culture club 8/12/2022 7:37 PM
I made a sub to hopefully maybe fight back against QAnon/christofascist culture shit! https://www.reddit.com/r/Qulture_Wars/ No idea what I’m doing -including even just having mod powers- but I’ve been restless to do something for awhile now and maybe it could actually help. 🤷🏻‍♀️
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cancel culture club
I made a sub to hopefully maybe fight back against QAnon/christofascist culture shit! https://www.reddit.com/r/Qulture_Wars/ No idea what I’m doing -including even just having mod powers- but I’ve been restless to do something for awhile now and maybe it could actually help. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Braakinthesaddle 8/12/2022 7:38 PM
Bring this up with #psyops and see if they have any ideas
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cancel culture club 8/12/2022 7:43 PM
Ok! Thanks!
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Call is out for more support in Batavia, NY to protest the RAT. Medics specifically could be helpful.
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Currently, the RAT seems to be a woo convention as well as a christofascist/Trump-fascist platform. There are snake oil salesmen there selling things to protect people from 5G, selling colloidal silver toothpaste, and all manner of stupidity.
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joe hill’s revenge 8/13/2022 12:48 PM
Convince them that meth is an anti deep state medicine
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That will make the situation more violent
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cancel culture club
I made a sub to hopefully maybe fight back against QAnon/christofascist culture shit! https://www.reddit.com/r/Qulture_Wars/ No idea what I’m doing -including even just having mod powers- but I’ve been restless to do something for awhile now and maybe it could actually help. 🤷🏻‍♀️
thechromatograph3r 8/13/2022 3:59 PM
I’ll join, but there are several other subs I’m trying to “manage” right now.
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Oh, yea. DeathSentence is definitely gearing for a POTUS run. I can’t tell what his stance really is, and that’s what makes him so dangerous. Hilarious how the Faux “News” hosts are suddenly concerned with no-knock raids when it’s on conservatives politicians instead of poor black people.
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Skullmaggot 8/14/2022 2:10 AM
When would people like the next public meeting? One week or two weeks from now?
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When would people like the next public meeting? One week or two weeks from now?
thechromatograph3r 8/14/2022 10:03 AM
Either one
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Probably sooner rather than later
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Skullmaggot 8/14/2022 11:34 AM
For monthly flyer drives, who can I get to post? Which flyers were people thinking of using? (We have graphics, but I suppose we want something more explanatory?) Do we need to make materials for more local needs?
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@thechromatograph3r How did your postering/stickering go? Which materials did you use?
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@thechromatograph3r How did your postering/stickering go? Which materials did you use?
thechromatograph3r 8/14/2022 12:27 PM
I posted paper flyers around campus as a test run. I chose a bad time because it’s the time of year when maintenance cleans all of the thingies for the new academic year lol
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Skullmaggot 8/14/2022 12:27 PM
lol
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thechromatograph3r 8/14/2022 12:27 PM
I’ll try again in a few weeks.
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Skullmaggot 8/14/2022 12:27 PM
damn
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Okay. Which materials did you use?
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thechromatograph3r 8/14/2022 12:29 PM
I used this one, but in B&W
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Skullmaggot 8/14/2022 12:39 PM
I think overall I'd like to produce flyers that address local issues, so if you have an understanding of how democracy or fascism can affect things locally, that'd be good. How is fascism (or any other unaddressed problem that could be helped with community action) affecting Cleveland? (edited)
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Currently, the RAT seems to be a woo convention as well as a christofascist/Trump-fascist platform. There are snake oil salesmen there selling things to protect people from 5G, selling colloidal silver toothpaste, and all manner of stupidity.
joe hill’s revenge 8/14/2022 6:08 PM
How’d it go
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thechromatograph3r
I used this one, but in B&W
WojtektheBear 8/14/2022 10:01 PM
I think it works well but pops in color
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thechromatograph3r
I used this one, but in B&W
when you made your flyers did you just use regular printer paper or something else? i'd like to make some as well.
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when you made your flyers did you just use regular printer paper or something else? i'd like to make some as well.
thechromatograph3r 8/16/2022 10:02 AM
I just used standard printer paper. I have toner, so it’s cheaper
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gotcha, and did they hold up well?
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gotcha, and did they hold up well?
thechromatograph3r 8/16/2022 10:44 AM
Well, I chose a bad time because it’s the time of year where custodial services clean the flyer posts for the beginning of the new semester lol
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ahh i gotchu, do you think they would've held up well in rain or something like that?
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ahh i gotchu, do you think they would've held up well in rain or something like that?
For posters your best bet is 20 weight bond paper, wheatpasted. Holds up to weather because of the thicker paper and wheatpaste. If you are gonna make flyers any old paper should do, unless you're trying to leave them outside for people to take.
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thanks homie yur the best 🙂
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What time do y'all usually flyer? I've been doing it during the day but I feel like I'm limited on places to post during the day b/c the utility crews are around and take things down right away if they see you
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When I've wheatpasted, I do it in the evenings but when it's not yet dark. Crews should be gone but I don't feel unsafe like I do being out at night.
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Cool, that makes sense.
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I used this one, but in B&W
AlexanderthePrettyGood 8/18/2022 3:06 PM
I think you ought to use classic or retro imagery. Think WW2 posters with Uncle Sam - "I want YOU to defend democracy and freedom at home"
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I think you ought to use classic or retro imagery. Think WW2 posters with Uncle Sam - "I want YOU to defend democracy and freedom at home"
thechromatograph3r 8/18/2022 3:19 PM
I don't know how well that works anymore without people thinking it's outdated.
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I don't know how well that works anymore without people thinking it's outdated.
AlexanderthePrettyGood 8/18/2022 3:24 PM
Stranger Things is "outdated" sometimes people want a little bit of nostalgia for better days.
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I have my avatar on a t-shirt. Get many comments on it.
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austinwiltshire 8/19/2022 9:00 PM
I put up uncle sam posters for "I want YOU to wear a mask". I like the nostalgia.
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I put up uncle sam posters for "I want YOU to wear a mask". I like the nostalgia.
Yeah I feel like I've seen signs like that around and I agree they were cool
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Non sequitur but I was just about to throw up a couple links to my favorite get out the vote orgs to volunteer with
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Vote Forward is awesome if you have limited free time or are stuck at home a lot like me: https://votefwd.org/
Vote Forward volunteers send heartfelt handwritten letters to unregistered and low-propensity voters encouraging them to participate in our democracy. The letters have been shown to significantly boost voter turnout.
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I also love VoteRiders, and they're especially awesome if you live in a state with voter ID laws: https://www.voteriders.org/
VoteRiders provides free information and help with voter ID in all US states. We can help you make sure you have the ID you need to vote!
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Also Common Cause ofc, I won't link them because there's like a different one for each state but I've phone banked with them before and it was really fun
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In person events are also great places to meet like minded folks and spread the word about fighting fascism. I'm finding more and more of the folks I talk to are acknowledging up front that we have a Nazi problem rather than being in denial like they used to be
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Also Common Cause ofc, I won't link them because there's like a different one for each state but I've phone banked with them before and it was really fun
thechromatograph3r 8/22/2022 12:55 PM
Oh yea! I like Common Cause
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Braakinthesaddle 8/23/2022 12:11 AM
I don't normally do mass tags on @here , but if anyone is available over the next 10 days, there is a racist event scheduled to be held on my college's campus next Friday, and I need as much help as I can get to get it canceled. Hop on over to #traitor-spotting for the details.
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hey does anyone know how to propose to one's local city council creating a community farm?
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You mean like a community garden with plots that people can reserve?
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food garden
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Hm, I think it really depends on your city. But generally speaking if you want it to be city funded I would think you'd need to have it voted on by the council.
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Would probably involve a petition with signatures to get it to be considered, again this can vary a lot by city/town
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I would ask someone in local government in your town. Best case is if you have a particular parcel of land in mind and it's already owned by the city. That way it wouldn't cost much additional
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hey does anyone know how to propose to one's local city council creating a community farm?
JohnBrosGhost 8/24/2022 3:43 PM
Most cities have a nonprofit or two that do community gardening on vacant/urban plots. 99/100 its best to link up with established orgs than try to venture out and DIY something. Definitely google your city+ community gardens to find relevant orgs.
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hey does anyone know how to propose to one's local city council creating a community farm?
There's a group I work with in Louisville KY called Beargrass Thunder that works with the city in several ways. They recently changed the weeds ordinance so people can more easily grow "yardens". They've reclaimed several alleyways and abandoned lots in the city and turned them into community gardens. I would shoot them a message, super cool folks would love to help guide you: https://www.beargrassthunder.com/ (edited)
videos, articles, and blog posts on Louisville & Kentucky-centric topics such as nature, wildlife, biodiversity, news, and politics. Now offering Kentucky-native seeds & plants for sale!
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Admittedly I live in CA (which, thankfully is starting to get the appeal of community farms and gardens, least in the area I live in. There's already 4 successful Community gardens/farms I can cite for my argument in Los Angeles county)
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Skullmaggot 8/30/2022 5:19 PM
I’d like to collect people’s network information—any connections that people have. I have a knowledge base up and would like to gather information about areas and their issues. I also need a lot more people for a growing list of things, if anyone would like to help. Essentially, if anyone has any requests for what they want to be done, I would like to write down the request (and I need more hands to do so).
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I’d like to collect people’s network information—any connections that people have. I have a knowledge base up and would like to gather information about areas and their issues. I also need a lot more people for a growing list of things, if anyone would like to help. Essentially, if anyone has any requests for what they want to be done, I would like to write down the request (and I need more hands to do so).
thechromatograph3r 8/30/2022 9:38 PM
What’s the best way to do that within the realm of PERSEC?
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Braakinthesaddle 8/31/2022 12:57 PM
A member of the Phoenix Anarch Fed recruited some brave soldiers to spread the word about the rally to protest Jared Taylor. These are used on ASU's Tempe campus
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Ok so I swear I didn't go to college that long ago and I can't believe I stepped away for two seconds and we have CAMPUS DRONES like wtf
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But I'm glad they're anti-fascist advertising drones at least 🤣
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A member of the Phoenix Anarch Fed recruited some brave soldiers to spread the word about the rally to protest Jared Taylor. These are used on ASU's Tempe campus
joe hill’s revenge 8/31/2022 1:31 PM
What do they do? Shoot people?
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Braakinthesaddle 8/31/2022 1:32 PM
They're delivery bots. They go around campus delivering food to dorms and such
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We're really living in the future
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eh, we've had a delivery drone in all our airports. Not campus' here, strangely enough
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We're really living in the future
Braakinthesaddle 8/31/2022 1:39 PM
Yea were living in a futuristic dystopia, but without all the cool Cyberpunk-style body mods lol
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honestly if Ghost in the shell the anime has taught me anything, I don't even corpos want a cyberpunk setting either. Too much risk of having your limbs hacked
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As cyberpunk as I want to get is masks and gloves made of black Kandi beads
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I'm more of a decopunk myself
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with a dash of Post-cyberpunk
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Love Ghost in the Shell
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finally got my printer working! i can't wait to get out with these
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thechromatograph3r 9/2/2022 2:44 PM
HELL YEA
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curcale
finally got my printer working! i can't wait to get out with these
JohnBrosGhost 9/2/2022 7:57 PM
Nice, are you wheatpasting or are they stickers?
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right now they are just pieces of paper that i plan to staple to some bulletin boards on my campus, but planning on wheatpasting in the future
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right now they are just pieces of paper that i plan to staple to some bulletin boards on my campus, but planning on wheatpasting in the future
Wheatpaste is so worth it when you get around to it. I've wheatpasted on electrical boxes in the past and a few are still up.
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right now they are just pieces of paper that i plan to staple to some bulletin boards on my campus, but planning on wheatpasting in the future
JohnBrosGhost 9/3/2022 5:06 PM
I always forget the simplest solutions . Hah
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Skullmaggot 9/6/2022 1:01 AM
Please message me if you're looking for things to do--I've got a list. We're also looking to do a flyer drive. We want to post on campuses now that school has started. Flyers can be found on the subreddit.
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what would the flyer drive entail? i'd be totally down for a big coordinated flyer event!
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Skullmaggot
Please message me if you're looking for things to do--I've got a list. We're also looking to do a flyer drive. We want to post on campuses now that school has started. Flyers can be found on the subreddit.
thechromatograph3r 9/6/2022 12:25 PM
That’s my plan: post flyers around campus and prime people’s minds.
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joe hill’s revenge 9/7/2022 9:48 PM
We should do movie nights
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thechromatograph3r 9/8/2022 1:06 PM
I'm down
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JohnBrosGhost 9/8/2022 3:19 PM
At minimum a movie recommendation thread.
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One can only watch so much Defiance, V for Vendetta, Inglorious Basterds, etc.
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i think @Skullmaggot mentioned a flyer drive?
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i'd be all for that
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a big saturday where we all go out and post up some flyers
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i think @Skullmaggot mentioned a flyer drive?
Skullmaggot 9/9/2022 3:59 PM
Credit to vibeshifter.
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gotcha gotcha
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joe hill’s revenge 9/11/2022 3:45 PM
We should organize martial arts training classes
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WojtektheBear 9/11/2022 7:37 PM
Flyer drive is a great idea
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thechromatograph3r 9/12/2022 1:00 PM
Or, if we can't organize one, encourage each other to take one.
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Skullmaggot 9/13/2022 10:35 PM
@joe hill’s revenge @JohnBrosGhost @WojtektheBear #movies channel and Movie Theater created.
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My day job, for the moment, is making educational video content for an Apache Software Foundation project. Would anyone like to collaborate on something we could put out together, maybe for internal use like orientation materials, "What is fascism?" level stuff, or opsec basics? Maybe eventually get up to "Bootstrapping your local IF org"?
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"There is no better book on fascism's complex and vexed relationship with truth."––Jason Stanley, author of How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them In this short companion to his book From Fascism to Populism in History, world-renowned historian Federico Finchelstein explains why fascists regarded simple and often hateful lies as truth, a...
How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them is a 2018 nonfiction book by Jason Stanley, the Jacob Urowsky Professor of Philosophy at Yale University. Stanley, whose parents were refugees of Nazi Germany, describes strategies employed by fascist regimes, which includes normalizing the "intolerable". His book is part of a "wave of articles, boo...
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/15/2022 8:33 PM
I was just thinking about a book about fascism to learn as much as I can. Definitely willing to help out.
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very interesting! ive been meaning to read How Fascism Works. also, you might be more eyeballs on this if you post it in #literature
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My day job, for the moment, is making educational video content for an Apache Software Foundation project. Would anyone like to collaborate on something we could put out together, maybe for internal use like orientation materials, "What is fascism?" level stuff, or opsec basics? Maybe eventually get up to "Bootstrapping your local IF org"?
Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 9:58 PM
So, I’m in general trying to construct materials for how to get organized and also tabulating materials. I want to soak up information. Let’s collaborate. (edited)
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@Skullmaggot ok! What kind of audience needs to get what info?
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/15/2022 10:01 PM
Definitely recommend reading up on forming Undergrounds. Lots of info that could be useful
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@Skullmaggot ok! What kind of audience needs to get what info?
Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 10:02 PM
So, do you want to do “What is fascism?” or “What do I do to get organized against fascism?”
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@Skullmaggot ok! What kind of audience needs to get what info?
Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 10:03 PM
One is gathering information and the other is putting out instructions.
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I'm on board with that.
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Want to split off a project channel?
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I think video content is a great idea. We could create a YouTube channel for it, and also put videos on the website
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I think video content is a great idea. We could create a YouTube channel for it, and also put videos on the website
Skullmaggot 9/16/2022 2:50 PM
Yeah, it’s a great idea but I’ve failed twice already organizing such. Both the film/video editing people I was talking to didn’t stay, and in general people’s enthusiasm can die off in 2-4 weeks. People come in and people leave. I think if we were bigger, more visible, or had a website, it would have more people stick around. Need to build organizational structure but I’m working with sand. Building a bigger and bigger sandcastle though! Edit: For video, there are some things that can be done incrementally, but video editing might be something that we might only be able to pass off to a video editor who remains active with us. Each project is a risk, where if it fails then the people under the project may get demotivated and leave. Failed twice already—don’t want to fail thrice and waste people’s time. (edited)
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/16/2022 3:57 PM
@Skullmaggot it’s better to build incrementally; video would be nice, but there may not be the resources yet
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@Skullmaggot it’s better to build incrementally; video would be nice, but there may not be the resources yet
Skullmaggot 9/16/2022 5:27 PM
We’ve got writers and people with knowledge about fascism and plenty of people talking about videos, but I’d want to be able to hand such a team to someone (i.e. video editor) who can make it happen. Otherwise, I’m just setting people up for failure. Keeping people motivated is the other half of that responsibility, and the people I was hoping to take charge have left teams high and dry. We either need a dedicated video editor or the understanding that progress may be intermittent and that people may leave. Similar with this website assignment. We haven’t succeeded at anything that big yet and I’m terrified XD .
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We’ve got writers and people with knowledge about fascism and plenty of people talking about videos, but I’d want to be able to hand such a team to someone (i.e. video editor) who can make it happen. Otherwise, I’m just setting people up for failure. Keeping people motivated is the other half of that responsibility, and the people I was hoping to take charge have left teams high and dry. We either need a dedicated video editor or the understanding that progress may be intermittent and that people may leave. Similar with this website assignment. We haven’t succeeded at anything that big yet and I’m terrified XD .
We will build the website. I'll write it myself if need be
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We will build the website. I'll write it myself if need be
Skullmaggot 9/16/2022 7:01 PM
Hehehe, you go get it!
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Skullmaggot 9/17/2022 1:22 AM
@thechromatograph3r Did I connect you with @joe hill’s revenge yet? They're organizing the flyer drive.
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@thechromatograph3r Did I connect you with @joe hill’s revenge yet? They're organizing the flyer drive.
thechromatograph3r 9/17/2022 10:01 AM
Yep!
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I think
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We’ve got writers and people with knowledge about fascism and plenty of people talking about videos, but I’d want to be able to hand such a team to someone (i.e. video editor) who can make it happen. Otherwise, I’m just setting people up for failure. Keeping people motivated is the other half of that responsibility, and the people I was hoping to take charge have left teams high and dry. We either need a dedicated video editor or the understanding that progress may be intermittent and that people may leave. Similar with this website assignment. We haven’t succeeded at anything that big yet and I’m terrified XD .
May I propose a Influencer/tiktok approach? Using a burner phone, use tiktok to deliver condensed and short to min or less clips. Bonus with memes. We need Gen Zs but we can use it to "build" a "fanbase" which we can now use to point to longer and more detailed videos on YouTube. Make it almost "organic" at first. Polish is nice but people love a seemingly underdog
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Make a point to have a explicitly blank/windowless background tho
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May I propose a Influencer/tiktok approach? Using a burner phone, use tiktok to deliver condensed and short to min or less clips. Bonus with memes. We need Gen Zs but we can use it to "build" a "fanbase" which we can now use to point to longer and more detailed videos on YouTube. Make it almost "organic" at first. Polish is nice but people love a seemingly underdog
Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 10:07 PM
But which videos? We don’t have a YouTube presence yet as far as I know. I’m also not Gen Z and would need to know how TikTok works, haha. I do like developing people’s ideas further, but on the high chance that I may not be able to address such a project this week (got a lot going on and I’m already swamped), if you want to move forward with this, it’d be good to talk about it with other people on the server and drum up support and figure out how to make it work…What are all the steps involved? Can you write anything up?
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Aces high
May I propose a Influencer/tiktok approach? Using a burner phone, use tiktok to deliver condensed and short to min or less clips. Bonus with memes. We need Gen Zs but we can use it to "build" a "fanbase" which we can now use to point to longer and more detailed videos on YouTube. Make it almost "organic" at first. Polish is nice but people love a seemingly underdog
joe hill’s revenge 9/20/2022 11:35 PM
I think that this directly correlates with my balliwick, the flyer drive
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I sent you a DM (edited)
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If you didn’t know #flyer-drive is an initiative I’m heading up to push a mass flyer campaign every month. I think that the pictures people send in of AIF propaganda posted all over the place should provide tiktok
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May I propose a Influencer/tiktok approach? Using a burner phone, use tiktok to deliver condensed and short to min or less clips. Bonus with memes. We need Gen Zs but we can use it to "build" a "fanbase" which we can now use to point to longer and more detailed videos on YouTube. Make it almost "organic" at first. Polish is nice but people love a seemingly underdog
thechromatograph3r 9/21/2022 10:51 AM
Do NOT use TikTok. We do not need the Chinese government involved.
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Do NOT use TikTok. We do not need the Chinese government involved.
joe hill’s revenge 9/21/2022 1:27 PM
Who cares? The other ones are just as bad, we shouldn’t use the internet at all by that logic
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thechromatograph3r 9/21/2022 1:31 PM
TikTok is literally Chinese spyware
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TikTok is literally Chinese spyware
joe hill’s revenge 9/21/2022 2:12 PM
Discord is spyware 2
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All social media is spyware for someone
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Basically. Also why I say do it on a burner phone
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Plus, you have to deal with people with obnoxiously short attention spans
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/21/2022 6:05 PM
@Aces high is it that important to use a burner phone? How would that work for Instagram or is it more risky for tiktok?
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instagram does similar tracking shit. Both are lowkey kinda bad, but they are popular, which was my logic
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bigger audience, minimize risk of exposure
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/21/2022 6:23 PM
@Aces high so think I can get away without a burner for Insta? I’d be using a new profile/google account/email anyway
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yup
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tbh the issue is tracking
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even without spying fuckery, people have used tiktok and insta to stalk people before
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/21/2022 6:36 PM
@Aces high yeah the only way to get away from tracking is not bringing your phone somewhere. That I can do for certain projects
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Basically. Also why I say do it on a burner phone
joe hill’s revenge 9/21/2022 7:12 PM
Hey what do u think about my idea to synergize videos with the flyer drive
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You can if you want. Admittedly this was just mere spitballin'
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Hey, has anyone read the Simple Sabotage field manual?
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Aces high
You can if you want. Admittedly this was just mere spitballin'
joe hill’s revenge 9/22/2022 9:22 PM
Oh I was hoping u were volunteering to make the videos
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Hey, has anyone read the Simple Sabotage field manual?
JohnBrosGhost 9/23/2022 10:03 AM
No, but i feel like if i google it I'll be put on yet another list. what is it?
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Prob not considering its a CIA/homeland security doc that got declassified It's actually a series of instructions, sets of ideas and other means of Sabatage in the event of either occupation or your country becomes fash
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 1:03 PM
How do people think about putting up flyers with a QR code that links to yiur states voter registration page?
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Skullmaggot 9/23/2022 2:01 PM
Maybe I can do pdfs for fifty states just containing the QR codes that you can additionally slap on.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 2:02 PM
Working on that, actually. I’m using the website QRCode Generator. It’s got a 14 day free trial; will the QR code’s still be good after that?
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Skullmaggot 9/23/2022 2:04 PM
QR codes generally don’t expire, but good question. Probably have to double-check that. (edited)
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 2:06 PM
This is the basic flyer for voter registration info (MA specific). It can be modified by just changing the QR code and what state its for. Simple, cheap to print, and can be put anywhere since its just voter registration info
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Skullmaggot 9/23/2022 2:09 PM
That, and maybe a grid of them to cut out to affix to our other flyers rather than doing fifty pdfs of them.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 2:09 PM
I've sent an email to the company asking if the codes expire after the free trial. Will update, but if they don't then I'll have a bit of work to do.
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@Skullmaggot no clue how to make a grid of them, unfortunately.
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Skullmaggot 9/23/2022 2:10 PM
It’d be in Adobe Illustrator.
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Or a similar program
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 2:11 PM
I do not have any experience with adobe illustrator, unfortunately
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Skullmaggot 9/23/2022 2:12 PM
I’m getting my project management tool hopefully up today/this weekend, meaning an easy way to visualize such tasks to people for them to pick up and do. (edited)
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 2:14 PM
We could also just put the QR code for the federal website that directs you to the voter registration of whichever state you select
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LessthanLoneWolf
How do people think about putting up flyers with a QR code that links to yiur states voter registration page?
Here's a related idea, this from SURJ, informing voters in KY on which judges to vote for if you're not into bullshit. There might be more of these out there for other states
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Can someone do this for like....California?
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I do my research but it is a pain in the ass to find Judge's voting records/policy
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Can someone do this for like....California?
Skullmaggot 9/24/2022 3:38 AM
So, I have just set up a project management tool--just a single project page on Github so far--to help visualize the moving parts that I've been trying to pay attention to and would like to divvy up tasks for. If you make a Github account (use an anonymous email), I should be able to add you on, and you can add your own todos, and this would be an efficient way to find people for tasks, I reckon. You could put "need to do this" or "research this." (edited)
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Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 1:13 AM
Wiki is up, but there's nothing on it! https://github.com/IronFrontUSA/wiki/wiki I have a few things written down to write pages for, but I'm going to be collecting people's input as to what informational resources people would want to have.
IFUSA Wiki. Contribute to IronFrontUSA/wiki development by creating an account on GitHub.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/26/2022 1:48 AM
What are peoples thoughts on a training booklet for the IFUSA? Something with protest tactics, identification of fascist symbols/groups and basic info, first aid (with a more in depth supplement), surveillance/countersurveillance, etc?
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LessthanLoneWolf
What are peoples thoughts on a training booklet for the IFUSA? Something with protest tactics, identification of fascist symbols/groups and basic info, first aid (with a more in depth supplement), surveillance/countersurveillance, etc?
Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 1:55 AM
Fuck yes
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LessthanLoneWolf
What are peoples thoughts on a training booklet for the IFUSA? Something with protest tactics, identification of fascist symbols/groups and basic info, first aid (with a more in depth supplement), surveillance/countersurveillance, etc?
Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 1:55 AM
You mean on the wiki?
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/26/2022 1:55 AM
Either on the Wiki or here (why not both!)
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Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 1:59 AM
So, this would be a public place to share information with the general public. Wikis are restricted to be public on Github, as far as I know. So, I don’t think we have a private option. Protest tactics and first aid are good for the public, but I don’t know if surveillance is always so good. It might depend on the type. I think methods to collect intelligence probably shouldn’t be shared everywhere. (edited)
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Avoiding surveillance would be beneficial I believe. Protests can be dangerous even if they start out peaceful, so methods of staying anonymous should be available
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Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 2:03 AM
Yeah, avoiding surveillance seems alright.
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Avoiding surveillance would be beneficial I believe. Protests can be dangerous even if they start out peaceful, so methods of staying anonymous should be available
Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 2:03 AM
Out of curiosity, are you able to make new pages or edit pages on that wiki without a Github account? (Or, I suppose, without even access. I heavily doubt it) (edited)
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I don't have my computer available at the moment, but I could check tomorrow if that's alright
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Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 2:04 AM
Sure
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Roger roger, I'll get back to you on that
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/26/2022 2:08 AM
I’ve started looking up info on avoiding surveillance; I’ll try to put everyone have together and start going through it
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I’ve started looking up info on avoiding surveillance; I’ll try to put everyone have together and start going through it
Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 2:41 AM
Yeah. The info's out there, but it's hard to find everything so efficiently/all in one place. We'll probably need some curation coming up and to delineate what can and cannot go on the public wiki. (edited)
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/26/2022 2:43 AM
Nothing violent, obviously. Some very useful things I’d like to retain just for members
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Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 2:43 AM
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@Skullmaggot Can't edit the git without an account, but with a direct link I can see it
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@Skullmaggot Can't edit the git without an account, but with a direct link I can see it
Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 2:57 PM
Thanks for the info
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Prob not considering its a CIA/homeland security doc that got declassified It's actually a series of instructions, sets of ideas and other means of Sabatage in the event of either occupation or your country becomes fash
Skullmaggot 9/28/2022 12:32 AM
I mean, I'd want to coalesce resources. Would you like to make a page for books/videos on the wiki? You'll need a Github account. (edited)
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Here's a related idea, this from SURJ, informing voters in KY on which judges to vote for if you're not into bullshit. There might be more of these out there for other states
suspiciously_suspicious 9/28/2022 10:41 AM
I like this a lot. In Michigan, one of the judges up for election is a past officer in the Federalist society, but in general it is difficult to find out more about political viewpoints and stances of the judges.
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just so y'all know i've taken it upon myself it to investigate good mass sticker producers
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so i will keep y'all updated
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curcale
just so y'all know i've taken it upon myself it to investigate good mass sticker producers
awesome! could you get some info on making the 3 arrows logos with clear transparency background?
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like the ones you designed?
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i was thinking more along the line of using the ones from the redbubble
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/28/2022 4:24 PM
I made a rough stencil design that can be cut out on cardboard and spray painted onto a wall. I used the link at the end for the font, and just saved the lettering as an image to put down on Word. https://www.fontspace.com/ombudsman-alternate-font-f60085 (edited)
Free download of Ombudsman Alternate Font. Released in 2021 by HENRIavecunK and licensed for personal-use only. Click now to create a custom image with your own words that you can download.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/28/2022 4:36 PM
This is how they print. I’ll need an exacto knife to get the proper cutting, but I think it should work.
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This is how they print. I’ll need an exacto knife to get the proper cutting, but I think it should work.
DisappointingTrash 9/28/2022 6:09 PM
i usto order the free tyvek mailers from usps and cut them to fit into the printer. then you can use each stencil tons of times and ittl never get soggy or tear. https://store.usps.com/store/product/shipping-supplies/priority-mail-tyvek-envelope-P_EP_14
This durable, water resistant Tyvek envelope offers you flexibility when shipping a variety of items.
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i made a cardboard stencil awhile back that made this
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DisappointingTrash 9/28/2022 6:42 PM
i saw that. didnt realize u posted it
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also, just a quick sprits of spray glue to the back of the stencil will hold it to the wall for you and prevent any underspray at the edges.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/28/2022 7:09 PM
I plan on gluing the paper to cardboard then using an exacto knife to cut it out (I can draw/trace to save my life).
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I’ve got many underpasses in rural areas that demand attention lol
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LessthanLoneWolf
I’ve got many underpasses in rural areas that demand attention lol
that's the spirit
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i really like the ironfrontusa.org one i'll probably use that
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Steve Mike
Here's a related idea, this from SURJ, informing voters in KY on which judges to vote for if you're not into bullshit. There might be more of these out there for other states
Skullmaggot 9/28/2022 7:32 PM
I’d want to get this on the wiki!
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/28/2022 8:17 PM
@curcale go for it! That’s why I posted them. If the resources are there, hopefully we can get some going!
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I’ve got many underpasses in rural areas that demand attention lol
DisappointingTrash 9/29/2022 10:28 AM
fuckin same
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joe hill’s revenge 9/29/2022 12:18 PM
hmm, interesting (georgia poll from fox news, pennsylvania poll from fox news)
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i usto order the free tyvek mailers from usps and cut them to fit into the printer. then you can use each stencil tons of times and ittl never get soggy or tear. https://store.usps.com/store/product/shipping-supplies/priority-mail-tyvek-envelope-P_EP_14
LessthanLoneWolf 9/29/2022 4:26 PM
This is going to work much better for the detail work, I think. Corrugated cardboard does not like details
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This is going to work much better for the detail work, I think. Corrugated cardboard does not like details
DisappointingTrash 9/29/2022 5:47 PM
they want to curl up so i kept em between wax paper stuck between the pages of a magazine for easy backpackability.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/29/2022 6:16 PM
If anyone wants to try stencil artwork, practice first, bring an extra color in case it doesn’t show up as well as you’d thought it would, and go easy on the paint. I have learned some lessons
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/4/2022 1:42 AM
Red Pine doing it right. I’d like to see us get to this point.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/4/2022 8:21 PM
Looks like the flyers I posted are already down. Guess I need to put more up.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/5/2022 7:32 PM
So it seems we’re a bit thin on numbers in central MA. I’d like to put some recruitment flyers around some local college campuses. Thinking of various flyers with the following or similar phrases: We need YOU to defend our Republic! Fight against Fascism! Liberty endured as long as we fight for it. Will you join us? We will stand against the enemy; will you stand beside us? Thoughts? I’ll be using some of the standard flyers as well
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LessthanLoneWolf
So it seems we’re a bit thin on numbers in central MA. I’d like to put some recruitment flyers around some local college campuses. Thinking of various flyers with the following or similar phrases: We need YOU to defend our Republic! Fight against Fascism! Liberty endured as long as we fight for it. Will you join us? We will stand against the enemy; will you stand beside us? Thoughts? I’ll be using some of the standard flyers as well
WojtektheBear 10/5/2022 9:34 PM
It’s fine if you want to make new flyers (and we can definitely coordinate doing this both in Worcester and Boston) but I think using our regular flyers like “we beat em before we’ll do it again” and “enemy at the gates” work well.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/5/2022 9:36 PM
@WojtektheBear oh definitely. Those ones are great. They’ll be going up as well. I’m working the next few nights, but I may be able to doing over the weekend. Sunday night maybe? That way they’re there for Monday AM
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@WojtektheBear oh definitely. Those ones are great. They’ll be going up as well. I’m working the next few nights, but I may be able to doing over the weekend. Sunday night maybe? That way they’re there for Monday AM
WojtektheBear 10/5/2022 9:37 PM
I may be in NH on Sunday but if not I’m grabbing drinks with friends on Sunday. If you do Sunday I’ll do Monday around BC/BU
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/5/2022 9:38 PM
@WojtektheBear sounds like a plan. And do we want to use the MA AIF proton mail for getting in touch with us?
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@WojtektheBear sounds like a plan. And do we want to use the MA AIF proton mail for getting in touch with us?
WojtektheBear 10/5/2022 9:38 PM
Fo sho
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Red Pine doing it right. I’d like to see us get to this point.
thechromatograph3r 10/5/2022 11:47 PM
Damn. I need to follow these people
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LessthanLoneWolf
So it seems we’re a bit thin on numbers in central MA. I’d like to put some recruitment flyers around some local college campuses. Thinking of various flyers with the following or similar phrases: We need YOU to defend our Republic! Fight against Fascism! Liberty endured as long as we fight for it. Will you join us? We will stand against the enemy; will you stand beside us? Thoughts? I’ll be using some of the standard flyers as well
thechromatograph3r 10/5/2022 11:48 PM
All good slogans. Unfortunately, you have to be careful using patriotic terms since the rightoids stole them
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/6/2022 12:18 AM
@thechromatograph3r they definitely stole the good ones, but we do want to reclaim patriotism from them
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@thechromatograph3r they definitely stole the good ones, but we do want to reclaim patriotism from them
thechromatograph3r 10/6/2022 10:45 AM
Fuck yes. (edited)
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Damn. I need to follow these people
WojtektheBear 10/6/2022 11:31 AM
Check out #massachusetts they’re actually pretty sus
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It’s fine if you want to make new flyers (and we can definitely coordinate doing this both in Worcester and Boston) but I think using our regular flyers like “we beat em before we’ll do it again” and “enemy at the gates” work well.
we beat em before poster goes insanely hard. That's the one that brought me here
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joe hill’s revenge 10/6/2022 11:54 AM
Some people said we should exclude all fash imagery from our posters even if it’s being smashed
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But I disagree
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I think it should stay. It's good to show exactly who we are and what we're fighting
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joe hill’s revenge 10/6/2022 11:54 AM
By people I mean my one “friend” who I hate
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Got a request for some help with the website: On the home page, in the image carousel that scrolls through the flyers, we want to replace those with powerful photos, both historical and current, of resistance, protest, etc. Emotionally charged images to inspire and motivate people. Black and white or color. What should we add? Post images here you'd like to see on the home page! http://ironfrontusa.org
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took this myself
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@curcale thanks!
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A good point has been raised regarding us using copyrighted images. We have to have permission from the owners unless the image is in the public domain or has a creative commons license allowing use. To make sure we cover our asses, how about we all include the URL when you find a good photo to use and I'll make sure we have permission
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@curcale those three look fine since you took one of them, the other is public domain, and the other is a flyer one of us made
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nice! do you still want the URL for the old 30's photo?
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eh might as well just in case
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Skullmaggot 10/13/2022 1:32 AM
Got a survey out for what people might want in a starter kit! https://take.supersurvey.com/QN31IW75F
Would you be interested in buying an Iron Front starter kit?, How many Iron Front stickers (supposedly of the logo) should be in a starter kit?, How many Iron Front buttons (supposedly of the logo) should be in a starter kit?
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 2:17 AM
@Skullmaggot would the kit be geared more towards representing the group or resistance to fascism?
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@Skullmaggot would the kit be geared more towards representing the group or resistance to fascism?
Skullmaggot 10/13/2022 2:19 AM
That's actually a damn good question that I haven't considered yet...a resistance kit? What was being requested before was stuff like stickers and flags. I was thinking things similar to the Redbubble merch, but what do you have in mind?
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 2:21 AM
Buttons could be fun for showing were part of the AIF, as could a flag. However, stickers, stencil outlines, etc could give people the means to actively spread and promote the group. Depending on variety, it could be used for recruitment, spreading our message, opposing fascist propaganda etc
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Buttons could be fun for showing were part of the AIF, as could a flag. However, stickers, stencil outlines, etc could give people the means to actively spread and promote the group. Depending on variety, it could be used for recruitment, spreading our message, opposing fascist propaganda etc
Skullmaggot 10/13/2022 2:39 AM
I did have the foresight to add a section for adding what other stuff you'd want in it.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 2:46 AM
I recommended a balaclava or mask. It could show off our association, and cover our faces
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I recommended a balaclava or mask. It could show off our association, and cover our faces
WojtektheBear 10/13/2022 2:43 PM
Idk how I feel about that given how the fash do that
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 3:07 PM
@WojtektheBear I see it more as advertising than anything else. The opposition does it because it works
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@WojtektheBear I see it more as advertising than anything else. The opposition does it because it works
WojtektheBear 10/13/2022 3:08 PM
The opposition does it because they are cowards who know they can’t show their faces. I have nothing against balaclavas functionally. I just think directly giving them to people sends the wrong idea
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AIF style balaclavas just seem kinda cringe lol sorry
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 3:11 PM
That’s a good point; I was of them mindset of reducing chances of doxxing if seen by fascists, and cause covid numbers are coming back up. It’s the season after all
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That’s a good point; I was of them mindset of reducing chances of doxxing if seen by fascists, and cause covid numbers are coming back up. It’s the season after all
WojtektheBear 10/13/2022 3:11 PM
At that point AIF masks and baseball hats would do the same job and look more normal
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Again I got nothing against people protecting their identities, you can do that without immediately looking sus
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 3:12 PM
You’ve got a point. We want to not look like the crazy ones
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I love the baseball hat idea. And honestly for face coverings regular ol' surgical masks or cloth masks are great b/c ppl are used to them and they look non-intimidating
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Agree that gaiters look too similar to Nazis. We don't want to get mistaken for them for multiple reasons, but especially b/c if we're clashing with them at an event we need to look different enough that everyone knows who is who
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Agree that gaiters look too similar to Nazis. We don't want to get mistaken for them for multiple reasons, but especially b/c if we're clashing with them at an event we need to look different enough that everyone knows who is who
joe hill’s revenge 10/13/2022 4:46 PM
That’s why soldiers have uniforms
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I love the baseball hat idea. And honestly for face coverings regular ol' surgical masks or cloth masks are great b/c ppl are used to them and they look non-intimidating
joe hill’s revenge 10/13/2022 4:47 PM
I like gators, but I agree that survival masks are better because they are normalized
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We could also include clothing patches and Long term we should make aif bomber/varsity jackets
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joe hill’s revenge
That’s why soldiers have uniforms
We have the added need to blend in with the general population if we need to scatter for some reason. It's a tricky problem aesthetics-wise for sure
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I love the baseball hat idea. And honestly for face coverings regular ol' surgical masks or cloth masks are great b/c ppl are used to them and they look non-intimidating
WojtektheBear 10/14/2022 12:06 PM
We already sell hats on the red bubble we should just go in an order as a chapter
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Wait srsly? I didn't know we had hats!
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Wait srsly? I didn't know we had hats!
WojtektheBear 10/14/2022 12:13 PM
IFUSA is an independent artist creating amazing designs for great products such as t-shirts, stickers, posters, and phone cases.
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We could definitely do with more designs but the prices are at cost so they’re as cheap as they can be right @Kraite
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Ok I figured out why I wasn't seeing them before, they're in the "accessories" section not the "clothing" section (edited)
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Saw this on the sub and local news, what are some good ways to disrupt this? Trying to get the word out in CO as much as I can: https://seeingrednebraska.com/black-lives-matter/can-we-please-stop-pretending-about-the-nazi-fortress-in-omaha-now/
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Wrote up this to send to media tip lines, let me know if it needs edits/additions:
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"Hello, I'm a concerned local hoping you're covering the planned construction of an "88 Tactical" Gun Club facility here in Denver. They are a neo-nazi owned and operated gun club with blatantly nazi/white supremacist ties and imagery that is rapidly spreading into over a dozen cities nationwide. They present the perfect facility for far-right extremists to meet, plan, and train, all while hiding in plain sight. Their website's "about" page is just a collection of articles stating how/why they are not a hate group with little information on what they actually do. Their instagram account is even worse, and is a shady attempt at showing as many POC-handshakes and "community outreach" programs as possible to skew first-glance impressions. Although not especially well written, https://seeingrednebraska.com/black-lives-matter/can-we-please-stop-pretending-about-the-nazi-fortress-in-omaha-now/ this is the only article I've seen covering the organization so far. The owner, Shea Degan, has named multiple ventures "88" (a nazi numerical code for Heil Hitler), sports a classic skinhead look and has a giant 88 tattooed across his chest. Their logo, a blood-red, right-facing war eagle, is also a blatant representation of nazi imagery. I believe this center will only serve to seed hate in our community and to radicalize at-risk populations- and that's coming from a gun-owner and a hunter. Please cover this story and help us keep hate out of our city."
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joe hill’s revenge 10/20/2022 11:24 PM
Idk how many people follow socer, but its increasingly home to antifascist supporters clubs in the USA. Seems like the far right presense is more minimimal than in Europe.
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might be worth it to reach out to supporters groups
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Goal brings you everything you need to know about the controversial symbol which has caused a stand-off between league authorities and fans
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We probably need a tutorial on the wiki up ASAP for protecting flyers from the elements, and what surfaces to post on and how for the upcoming flyer drive. Either who wants to write something up or has links/resources we can refer people to?
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We probably need a tutorial on the wiki up ASAP for protecting flyers from the elements, and what surfaces to post on and how for the upcoming flyer drive. Either who wants to write something up or has links/resources we can refer people to?
joe hill’s revenge 10/20/2022 11:42 PM
Should the flyer drive have a wiki entry
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sure, that would help
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joe hill’s revenge 10/20/2022 11:42 PM
(I don’t think so yet) but maybe in a couple of months once we are sure it’ll keep going (edited)
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I'm making an announcement about the flyer drive shortly at curcale's request.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/20/2022 11:53 PM
@Skullmaggot I’ll be printing out some flyers on 8.5x11 sticker sheets, and I’ll try some waterproofing spray on them.
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May I propose a Influencer/tiktok approach? Using a burner phone, use tiktok to deliver condensed and short to min or less clips. Bonus with memes. We need Gen Zs but we can use it to "build" a "fanbase" which we can now use to point to longer and more detailed videos on YouTube. Make it almost "organic" at first. Polish is nice but people love a seemingly underdog
I don't suppose you'd like to do anything for the videos/YouTube being proposed? I do want to at least amass clips.
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We probably need a tutorial on the wiki up ASAP for protecting flyers from the elements, and what surfaces to post on and how for the upcoming flyer drive. Either who wants to write something up or has links/resources we can refer people to?
I can try to work on this a bit. There's a few good tutorials online and I can share my sticker printing method
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Is there a channel/website/social account that tells you about upcoming AIF protests on a city level? If not, how do I find out about em?
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I can try to work on this a bit. There's a few good tutorials online and I can share my sticker printing method
Skullmaggot 10/22/2022 8:54 PM
I've also being just compiling a few things. The good part about a wiki is collaboration!
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Is there a channel/website/social account that tells you about upcoming AIF protests on a city level? If not, how do I find out about em?
Skullmaggot 10/22/2022 8:57 PM
You're luckily in MA, so just head on over to the #massachusetts channel and insert yourself there. They do a lot of stuff.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/22/2022 10:14 PM
@OPRacoon I try to keep up to date what’s happening; if you here about anything let me know!
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@OPRacoon I try to keep up to date what’s happening; if you here about anything let me know!
I try to keep up-to-date too but unfortunately I usually only find out about protests/events after they happen
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If you’re near Cambridge, you could check out the democracy center if you haven’t yet. A few leftist organizations gather there and sometimes have public meetings, so even if you don’t want to join any of the orgs that use the building you could always attend a meeting to gain perspective or whatever
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If you’re near Cambridge, you could check out the democracy center if you haven’t yet. A few leftist organizations gather there and sometimes have public meetings, so even if you don’t want to join any of the orgs that use the building you could always attend a meeting to gain perspective or whatever
Skullmaggot 10/23/2022 1:24 AM
I also collect contacts for a network if you got contacts.
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I also collect contacts for a network if you got contacts.
I don’t know anyone specific sorry. I used to just go to these meetings, sit in the back, and listen
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I don’t know anyone specific sorry. I used to just go to these meetings, sit in the back, and listen
all good
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Can someone send me some basic flyers for the drive? They don’t need to be localized just some of the common ones
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Can someone send me some basic flyers for the drive? They don’t need to be localized just some of the common ones
I've posted them on #announcements .
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The zip files
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@OkraMonk I've written up some basic stuff: https://github.com/IronFrontUSA/wiki/wiki/Posting-Flyers . Feel free to edit whatever.
IFUSA Wiki. Contribute to IronFrontUSA/wiki development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Thx
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@Steve Mike Just saying that since you got the website up, I'll be switching to focusing on the other half of the equation, the on-the-ground stuff for the next few weeks such as the flyer drive, protests, networking, and any other in-person stuff we can do. (edited)
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So yeah, if anybody has on-the-ground stuff they want to develop, let me know. (And let me know of any protests.)
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I suppose we need wiki pages for protest etiquette?
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I suppose we need wiki pages for protest etiquette?
Probably a good idea. It would help with those who are inexperienced or new (edited)
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Otherwise things could get.... Harry very quickly
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I'll try asking @OkraMonk . What protest resources do we have?
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I'm curious about what sort of engineering solutions we can bring to protests as a couple more engineers have arrived in Michigan.
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I'm curious about what sort of engineering solutions we can bring to protests as a couple more engineers have arrived in Michigan.
my question is, what engineering problems do we have?
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I'll try asking @OkraMonk . What protest resources do we have?
In Massachusetts we have some local-specific stuff that I could maybe adapt to be more generic. Let me see if I can put it in the wiki somewhere. I assume you mean like protest health and safety, OPSEC best practices, etc?
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my question is, what engineering problems do we have?
Skullmaggot 10/26/2022 6:10 PM
At least one of things I was worrying about months ago was how to protect protesters from vehicles that would ram them. I was wondering how easy it would be to fabricate portable some-assembly-required Czech hedgehogs or the like. The tools that people can use at protests will depend on their goals. Gas masks that protect against tear gas, for instance, would be another big one. But, these may be things already made, so I’m wondering what makes more sense to design and make rather than buy. What advantage do people want at protests? What’re the goals?
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In Massachusetts we have some local-specific stuff that I could maybe adapt to be more generic. Let me see if I can put it in the wiki somewhere. I assume you mean like protest health and safety, OPSEC best practices, etc?
Skullmaggot 10/26/2022 6:11 PM
Yup 👍 thanks
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I heard you can make a crude tire spikes using some nails, fast acting super glue and rubber stripes or double sided tape
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gas masks, some hidden arms IF YOUR STATE ALLOWS IT and a car window hammer can do wonders
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worse case, I almost say if you wanna arrange for it, protestors need spotters
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people who look for those going trouble
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that guy who stopped that attempted shooter in portland was a spotter
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that guy who stopped that attempted shooter in portland was a spotter
Skullmaggot 10/26/2022 6:57 PM
I believe Doctor Eval’s ai tool was intended to find troublemakers. The problem on that end is needing more time and driving costs down. But yeah, spotters can be added to protest health and safety. Tire spikes may shred tires but may not be able to quickly stop the momentum of a vehicle, I think was the problem.
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Probably a good idea. It would help with those who are inexperienced or new (edited)
Skullmaggot 10/26/2022 7:22 PM
Actually, for protest stuff, what questions would you have, so I can find people with answers?
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Hmmm... I apologize but I can't think of any questions rn
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Skullmaggot 10/27/2022 2:24 AM
I think we'd probably need wiki resources for finding protests as well.
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Definitely
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Braakinthesaddle 10/28/2022 12:44 PM
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/red-wave-rally-with-texas-senator-ted-cruz-tickets-451201143767 The GQP governor of Oklahoma is holding a Rally with Ted Cruz on Tuesday. Free 6 tickets per RSVP, let's make sure the rally is empty.
Join Texas Senator Ted Cruz for a Campaign Rally in Oklahoma City as we support Governor Kevin Stitt!
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FYI, it says sold out, but it still let's you order tickets.
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https://www.eventbrite.com/e/red-wave-rally-with-texas-senator-ted-cruz-tickets-451201143767 The GQP governor of Oklahoma is holding a Rally with Ted Cruz on Tuesday. Free 6 tickets per RSVP, let's make sure the rally is empty.
lmao i just got 6 tickets
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 11:05 PM
So I’ve heard several times on both Instagram and Reddit that our imagery reminds people of fascist imagery. I think a bit more education is needed to explain why are imagery is like it is (reclaim it from fascists, attract moderate support, etc). Maybe some info on the website?
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So I’ve heard several times on both Instagram and Reddit that our imagery reminds people of fascist imagery. I think a bit more education is needed to explain why are imagery is like it is (reclaim it from fascists, attract moderate support, etc). Maybe some info on the website?
Definitely
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We've got to clear stuff like this up
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 11:16 PM
@archon exactly. I’ve had to explain it a few times already
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Yea, reclaiming our symbols from the far right especially.
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So I’ve heard several times on both Instagram and Reddit that our imagery reminds people of fascist imagery. I think a bit more education is needed to explain why are imagery is like it is (reclaim it from fascists, attract moderate support, etc). Maybe some info on the website?
WojtektheBear 11/1/2022 5:35 PM
I feel like we both have to do this snd also understand that some people are going say we’re fascist because of the nature of this project anyways but I do hear you. I think a slide show on Instagram/Reddit/Twitter would be a good idea
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I feel like we both have to do this snd also understand that some people are going say we’re fascist because of the nature of this project anyways but I do hear you. I think a slide show on Instagram/Reddit/Twitter would be a good idea
that's a smart idea, some sort of infographic explaining why we use the imagery we do
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Hell, even the name itself can be a problem
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It's tough though, because being the legacy of the Iron Front is a great thing
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and changing the name would separate us from our predecessors
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from this legacy
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The three arrows as a symbol is easily explained with one of the original political posters though:
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just replace the crown with a confederate cross, perhaps
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Hell, even the name itself can be a problem
Yeah seriously. I feel like we need to literally explain any time we come up that we're not Patriot Front we just happen to share a word
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not Iron March either
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Skullmaggot 11/4/2022 10:27 PM
@OkraMonk Thanks for jumpstarting the wiki a bit!
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not Iron March either
nor the Iron Guard
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Final boss: Iron Patriot March Guard Front
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Skullmaggot 11/5/2022 2:52 PM
If anything, we really do need PR on such.
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Skullmaggot 11/5/2022 4:08 PM
One on the things I'm doing right now is networking with groups around the country, so message me if you would like me to direct you within this sapling of a network. We could also use help expanding it.
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JohnBrosGhost 11/7/2022 2:06 PM
VOTE
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Ok but like Vote with a plan If for some reason none of ya'll voted, take some time to do research especially in local level politics tonight I know I already voting Dem for big stuff but local politics is definitely the one you wanna research for because that's how fasc slip in. Second, some ground rules: In you got in the voting line before 8pm. Stay in it until you vote. They can not turn you away if your in line before the cut off. Any attempts otherwise should be resisted. While I know for sure this is the case in California, I do believe that your boss owes you a hour to vote. Even if he/she doesn't, bullshitting and saying it's a minor federal law usually tends to give you a hour or so to vote. When you do your research, make it a point to write down your choices. Makes the vote faster and generally less sus then having it on your phone. No matter how badly you want to, do NOT selfie with your ballot. Just...don't. It renders your ballot null. Bring water. Given the cold snap we're in it might not be a needed thing but to circumvent the water ban, casually bring your own water. If you wanna really fuck with the laws, have a "give a penny, take a penny" water bottle sell a couple blocks away from the ballot. In cold parts (like California rn) bring a travel sized umbrella, bundle appropriately, make sure to bring ID/wallet, and comfy boots or rain shoes. For anyone in a state doing Ballot harvesting, MAKE SURE YOUR SIGNATURES AND RELATIONSHIPS ARE WRITTEN DOWN CORRECTLY
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See your ballot, research candidates and referendums, and vote informed
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/7/2022 10:23 PM
@1uc2 good resource to have
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The three arrows as a symbol is easily explained with one of the original political posters though:
WojtektheBear 11/9/2022 3:24 PM
We literally already have this design lol go check flyers in the reddit’s sidebar
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We literally already have this design lol go check flyers in the reddit’s sidebar
Ik
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I was replying to LessthanLoneWolf
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I was replying to LessthanLoneWolf
WojtektheBear 11/9/2022 7:42 PM
My b!
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joe hill’s revenge 11/16/2022 5:42 PM
@Skullmaggot Im formally proposing that we Start an internal bulletin, this would be an irregular e publication for members that would include meeting minutes and crucial information on the health of the group. Id like it to be discussed at the next meeting.
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@Skullmaggot Im formally proposing that we Start an internal bulletin, this would be an irregular e publication for members that would include meeting minutes and crucial information on the health of the group. Id like it to be discussed at the next meeting.
Skullmaggot 11/16/2022 6:43 PM
Got it. For “health of the group,” what additional information are you looking for? (edited)
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Got it. For “health of the group,” what additional information are you looking for? (edited)
joe hill’s revenge 11/16/2022 7:04 PM
Just updates on what we’ve done
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Idk if that’s the right way to phrase it; what I mean is just what we’ve been doing and stuff. I hope it will be part of taking the online side of our work to a professional level
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@Skullmaggot Im formally proposing that we Start an internal bulletin, this would be an irregular e publication for members that would include meeting minutes and crucial information on the health of the group. Id like it to be discussed at the next meeting.
Skullmaggot 11/17/2022 2:16 AM
Bulletin sounds like a good idea. What sections should it include? Do you think after the meeting notes, I can just append the document with extra information/a bulletin/accomplishments?
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Bulletin sounds like a good idea. What sections should it include? Do you think after the meeting notes, I can just append the document with extra information/a bulletin/accomplishments?
joe hill’s revenge 11/17/2022 2:19 AM
Yea
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Skullmaggot 11/17/2022 2:21 AM
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Yea
Maybe a monthly summary of action?
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MEGA THREAD This thread is where I will place ALL compiled protest/support/mutual aid knowledge I know. Hit me up if I should cover anything. If I see a good post, I'll put it there too, so DM me good posts!
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This thread has a ton of good information on things you can do/learn/contribute to
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Ya I know. 😔 I've been trying to contact orgs about moving over but not everyone wants to move.
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I'm looking for someone to take up the financial hat for a project. Called Unbroken Circle Ranch. Build an RV park for vandwellers, schoolbus conversions, and RV's over the 10 year rule. Use the profits to build free (to the residents) collective sustainable villages (10-20 people each) who need to escape domestic or inner city violence, and veterans. Document all of it and present each stage on the internet as a model for others to use to build their own sustainable villages.
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I'm looking for someone to take up the financial hat for a project. Called Unbroken Circle Ranch. Build an RV park for vandwellers, schoolbus conversions, and RV's over the 10 year rule. Use the profits to build free (to the residents) collective sustainable villages (10-20 people each) who need to escape domestic or inner city violence, and veterans. Document all of it and present each stage on the internet as a model for others to use to build their own sustainable villages.
That's a cool idea and very ambitious. Can you describe more what you mean by "take up the financial hat"? Are you looking for financers? someone to be a treasurer? And how far along is the project?
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That's a cool idea and very ambitious. Can you describe more what you mean by "take up the financial hat"? Are you looking for financers? someone to be a treasurer? And how far along is the project?
The financial model accounts for 400k in initial Investment with 10% ROI per year, plus 600k Loan (backed by the property). Securing the funding for it is not my strong suit. I can go over the construction/labor cost estimates with them, as well as the operating costs and projected revenue. They will need to fine tune the financial side of the business plan, and be responsible for finding investors and loans.
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That's a cool idea and very ambitious. Can you describe more what you mean by "take up the financial hat"? Are you looking for financers? someone to be a treasurer? And how far along is the project?
The addition of an RV park to the project is recent as of this year, I've spent the last 2 years prior working on the sustainability and non-traditional construction methods to get the housing costs to below 15k per person for a lifetime residence space.
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My own attempts to fund the residence projects through crowdfunding and individual donations were a failure, so I worked up a model that could produce a return for investors and profit that would be used to finance the residence collectives.
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While also providing one of the cheapest per night rates for RV park spots in the nation... and allowing folks who normally would be turned away from RV parks to have a place to settle and even work remotely for a while.
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Hi everyone! I'm currently looking for a graphic designer, and 2-3 people interested in writing articles for the zine! I'd like to get the project rolling and if anyone is interested I'll be holding a meeting this weekend, just dm me if this is something you're interested in!
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Hi everyone! I'm currently looking for a graphic designer, and 2-3 people interested in writing articles for the zine! I'd like to get the project rolling and if anyone is interested I'll be holding a meeting this weekend, just dm me if this is something you're interested in!
I've got two articles ready to go, I can continue the theme of them probably for about 10 more.
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But I'll probably only be able to do one or two a month.
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That's perfectly fine, I may only make this quarterly at first until we have more people interested, so you'll have plenty of time
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Hi everyone! I'm currently looking for a graphic designer, and 2-3 people interested in writing articles for the zine! I'd like to get the project rolling and if anyone is interested I'll be holding a meeting this weekend, just dm me if this is something you're interested in!
joe hill’s revenge 11/29/2022 7:48 PM
Who do you think the target audience form the zine would be
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Internal to the group or for the general public?
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I'd probably say a mix, listing events that iron front would be interested in while also providing information and articles about our mission to the public who read it
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Transparency is important, so if the public can see what the inside workings of iron front are without joining we could maybe inspire some to join
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Caution is necessary when broadcasting events... particularly on an unsecured forum such as this or the zine.
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That is true, we could put that to a vote if we wish to include events
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I'd personally stick to officially announced, out in the public stuff that's known to gather a large gathering to minimize the risk
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Fair.
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I'd personally stick to officially announced, out in the public stuff that's known to gather a large gathering to minimize the risk
joe hill’s revenge 11/29/2022 9:08 PM
I don’t think it’s a problem to advertise public events in the zine
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My vote would be not to include events. Make the zine more about how-to, that kind of thing if you put events that's just another way for them to get targeted
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My vote would be not to include events. Make the zine more about how-to, that kind of thing if you put events that's just another way for them to get targeted
I think that's safer... also with it potentially being only quarterly for now it's unlikely events will be planned out far enough in advance to make it into the zine.
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Skullmaggot 11/30/2022 6:05 PM
Maybe it depends on the event. I expect less trouble for a food drive than for a protest. But, announcing that AIF is intending to host or be present at events is dangerous and may have to be removed. Are there other options for being transparent but also secure? What do you want to be transparent about, @Envy ?
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Small events like food drives and mutual aid are more for what I was going toward, a sense of community is something I'm aiming to strive for with the zine, but if this presents too much of an issue I can exclude events from the plan
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Small events like food drives and mutual aid are more for what I was going toward, a sense of community is something I'm aiming to strive for with the zine, but if this presents too much of an issue I can exclude events from the plan
I'd focus on how-to's and passing along ideas for creating lasting change, maybe methods of organizing community defense projects, etc... and give locals a voice to talk about (in general terms) what they are doing, or what difficulties they face while offering them a place to present the solutions they have found or request more options for solutions from others.
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Just keep in mind, for every 4 people you ask for articles for the zine, one will come through with one by the deadline. A byproduct of not paying for content.
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If that's the direction people working on the zine wish to go in, then we can do that. I'm just one player in making this happen, and if y'all have better ideas then by all means bring them up
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Skullmaggot 12/2/2022 2:06 AM
https://kolektiva.social/@efjbgc/109433313405787900 Anyone want to submit ideas to Elm Fork for their website?
We're working on putting together a website. It'll include resources and information on guns and gear, training drills, organizing, and personal and community defense. There'll also be ways to contact us for people who want to be involved, schedule a personal defense workshop, or request aid. Plus some general information about us and about comm...
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I want to start supporting unions more
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Hells yeah solidarity forever
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AldotheApache 12/2/2022 8:19 PM
I’m not saying it’s right, but the Railroad Act was written for exactly this reason, as was the National Labor Relations Act. To create a legal framework for labor peace. These guys need paid sick leave, it’s sucks only 4 if the companies rejected the TA. These statutes have been eroded for years and are dramatically under enforced due to resource cuts. As someone who’s worked for Labor my entire adult life in some form or fashion, how are you interested in supporting them more?
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I’m not saying it’s right, but the Railroad Act was written for exactly this reason, as was the National Labor Relations Act. To create a legal framework for labor peace. These guys need paid sick leave, it’s sucks only 4 if the companies rejected the TA. These statutes have been eroded for years and are dramatically under enforced due to resource cuts. As someone who’s worked for Labor my entire adult life in some form or fashion, how are you interested in supporting them more?
I suspect that you would have some ideas to offer, I think most people want to support labor but don't know effective means to do so. I work from a perspective of trying to build supportive mutual aid infrastructures for folks so that they can survive while striking... but when the law literally prevents them from doing it what can be done? Peacefully at least... (edited)
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AldotheApache 12/2/2022 10:00 PM
Strike support is good. It can be hard because knowing what strikers need can be picky. I can’t count the number of boxes of donuts I’ve seen thrown away on a strike line. A lot of times strikes fail because the union hasn’t done enough prep in the community to get everyone informed or the issue isn’t one that’s supported by the community. If you don’t have the support of the community, you lose. Donate, volunteer or start a Worker Center that supports unorganized, undocumented workers and combats wage theft. We have them in every large city in OH.
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Strike support is good. It can be hard because knowing what strikers need can be picky. I can’t count the number of boxes of donuts I’ve seen thrown away on a strike line. A lot of times strikes fail because the union hasn’t done enough prep in the community to get everyone informed or the issue isn’t one that’s supported by the community. If you don’t have the support of the community, you lose. Donate, volunteer or start a Worker Center that supports unorganized, undocumented workers and combats wage theft. We have them in every large city in OH.
That's why I focus on building non-profit replacements for basic needs, groceries, clothing, housing, automotive repair/service. Things that prolonged strikes risk making strikers lose and become homeless or starving. If people can't lose a week or two pay without becoming homeless or their kids starving well then a strike isn't effective.
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RaiseRuntimeError 12/2/2022 10:04 PM
Just want to point out, right now would be a good time to recruit for the sub because of what Kanye has been doing
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AldotheApache 12/2/2022 10:05 PM
We advise folks to save six weeks of pay before even going into negotiations. Do people do it? No. Here’s a good article on the rail strike. There’s a lot more against them as workers than in the past that a strike will not fix or will make a strike less effective. Industry consolidation etc…and even if they weren’t under the Rail Act and under the NLRA they would still be replaced and lose their jobs as their are not allegations that the company bargained in bad faith, no unfair labor practices. That’s the kind is strike that protects your job. Strikes for purely economics can get you permanently replaced.
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Just want to point out, right now would be a good time to recruit for the sub because of what Kanye has been doing
Also going to open up to a lot of infiltration if it's done publicly. I suggest individual invites based on thorough search of their social media history.
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We advise folks to save six weeks of pay before even going into negotiations. Do people do it? No. Here’s a good article on the rail strike. There’s a lot more against them as workers than in the past that a strike will not fix or will make a strike less effective. Industry consolidation etc…and even if they weren’t under the Rail Act and under the NLRA they would still be replaced and lose their jobs as their are not allegations that the company bargained in bad faith, no unfair labor practices. That’s the kind is strike that protects your job. Strikes for purely economics can get you permanently replaced.
I guess no one has the balls to treat scabs like they ought to be treated anymore.
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Just want to point out, right now would be a good time to recruit for the sub because of what Kanye has been doing
joe hill’s revenge 12/3/2022 1:03 AM
I agree
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@Spinner I've got mixed feelings about scabs. Sometimes, it's just someone desperate for work/money. I can't hate someone like that, even though I disapprove.
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It's an issue our society rarely addresses. We should support unions 100%, and I think there needs to be effective strategies to deter non-union workers from going in beyond intimidation and logistical obstruction.
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It's an issue our society rarely addresses. We should support unions 100%, and I think there needs to be effective strategies to deter non-union workers from going in beyond intimidation and logistical obstruction.
#1 method of getting folks to not do disgusting things like crossing a picket line. build non-profit means to supply people with basic needs. So they don't pay for profit prices for survival necessities.
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@Spinner I've got mixed feelings about scabs. Sometimes, it's just someone desperate for work/money. I can't hate someone like that, even though I disapprove.
I get that.
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Time for fuckery!
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Remember folks, if your local state channel is quiet, you are the ones who can change that! Start posting info about local events/actions you find (remember don't dox yourself tho) and encourage others to go.
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If you need advice on how to securely/effectively start meeting up with other folks in your area just let me know in a DM. We will be working on some helpful guides and resources that you can use to start your own chapter!
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LessthanLoneWolf 12/8/2022 9:25 AM
A single spark can light an inferno. You can be that spark
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Skullmaggot 12/8/2022 5:39 PM
I’m fanning the flames!
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fuck that, I'm getting kerosene
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fuck that, I'm getting kerosene
make sure you add a package of jello to the bottle first.
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Maybe a few drops of dawn.
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Skullmaggot 12/9/2022 1:52 AM
I think I want to rewatch inception.
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So... What if we just started showing up to stand outside of LGBTQ events. Armed where it's allowed, with armor, just to show up
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So... What if we just started showing up to stand outside of LGBTQ events. Armed where it's allowed, with armor, just to show up
I've had this exact same thought and I think it deserves consideration. Often the LGBTQ group will not want citizen security or protesters for the fear of escalation, and also because the vast majority of people are peaceful and don't want to see ANYONE with guns out, whether they are friendly or not. It kills the vibe, totally understandable. But then what ends up happening? The psycho right wing shows up, the attendees are actually put in harms way, vibe is killed anyway, the event is cancelled, the right wing is emboldened. At a certain point, which I think is right fucking now, it's not just a decision for the LGBTQ group to make. We are witnessing a take over by the worst degenerate violent people in society. As an American, even just as a human being, an attack on any of us is an attack on all of us.
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Exactly. At a point you just have to say the same thing you would to the cops "I'm standing on a public sidewalk exercising my 2A."
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I mean, I guess leaving if asked by the venue is a given. But fuck. It's the US troubles now. The violence has literally escalated to terrorism in 4 different cities
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I mean, I guess leaving if asked by the venue is a given. But fuck. It's the US troubles now. The violence has literally escalated to terrorism in 4 different cities
If you're interested in coordinating folks in your city you do community defense at events (don't do it alone), please do! We can help. Reach out to me or Skullmaggot
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Also worth it to note that if you do come armed to an event PLEASE don't be obvious about it unless you're sure that's the right call. In most situations, it's a better tactical advantage and chance for de-escalation if you are not visibly armed. And for goodness' sake be very intentional about anything that could be construed as reaching for a weapon
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We are trying to keep people safe, and the first part of that is to try and prevent fighting if at all possible
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While still being prepared to intervene if it's the only option
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I've had this exact same thought and I think it deserves consideration. Often the LGBTQ group will not want citizen security or protesters for the fear of escalation, and also because the vast majority of people are peaceful and don't want to see ANYONE with guns out, whether they are friendly or not. It kills the vibe, totally understandable. But then what ends up happening? The psycho right wing shows up, the attendees are actually put in harms way, vibe is killed anyway, the event is cancelled, the right wing is emboldened. At a certain point, which I think is right fucking now, it's not just a decision for the LGBTQ group to make. We are witnessing a take over by the worst degenerate violent people in society. As an American, even just as a human being, an attack on any of us is an attack on all of us.
JohnBrosGhost 12/9/2022 2:49 PM
I’m keeping an eye on drag shows to attend locally. My plan is to wear my covert iiia vest underneath clothing and CCW my full size pistol and mags, with my full IFAK in a Fanny pack. All the gear, none of the signature. Open carry definitely escalates a situation and if you don’t have a full team like the JBGC or support from the show organizers it’s probably not the best option.
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Also, please only carry in potentially tense and crowded environments if you actively train, can keep a cool head (not respond to verbal agitators), and have studied your areas self defense laws
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I'll be wearing steel plated armor and a disarming hook staff, but no firearm. X-bow in my backpack if I think I need it, but otherwise just a severe bleeding med kit and armor
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@maxiominus I really hope that's a joke but I can't tell so just so we're clear, that's a joke, right? Because there's like 5 safety issues with that if it's not
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@maxiominus I really hope that's a joke but I can't tell so just so we're clear, that's a joke, right? Because there's like 5 safety issues with that if it's not
I'm sorry?
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First off steel plates are garbage against firearms and may result in additional injuries
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Like they are literally worse than nothing
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Rigid 1/8 steel plate covering ~2" of layered silk and satin
5:42 PM
It's certainly not better than nothing 😂
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Body armor has evolved over the past few decades, and with modern Ceramic and Polymer Armor, the safety of steel plates is in question
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1/8" of steel stops most handgun rounds
5:46 PM
Great info, but this stinks of sales. There are ways to minimize spalling and a tube of rubber cement can reduce it quite a bit for cheap
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I'm not just making this up dude but you've been warned. I really wouldn't wear steel plates in a crowd situation. You'll just deflect bits of metal into bystanders
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I can add ceramic tiles or a rubberized nylon outer layer
5:49 PM
I'm not saying you are lying. Genuinely good info. But I write articles like that for a living. The bad is exaggerated and the solutions are minimized to convince the reader that they need to spend more to buy the "right" armor
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No prob. But our #1 goal is keeping people safe and part of that is health and safety issues with armor, etc
5:50 PM
But do what you feel is safe
5:51 PM
I'd also recommend against things such as staffs, sticks, batons, etc because those can cause a lot of injuries in a crowd and also will bring the police to you very quickly
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Yeah, I think I feel better with steel protecting my vital organs. Like I said, I will take precautions to minimize shrapnel
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I'd also recommend against things such as staffs, sticks, batons, etc because those can cause a lot of injuries in a crowd and also will bring the police to you very quickly
Really?
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Yes. Ever almost got in your eye poked out by a flagpole? I certainly have
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They blend in perfectly with peaceful situations by functioning as a flag pole. Also, I am an International grand champion in randori jujitsu and a gold medalist in bōjitsu.
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I am more likely to poke someone's eye out with my finger than with my staff, haha
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Ok. You do you. I'm just honestly saying I wouldn't feel safe standing next to someone with that gear you listed, no matter how well trained they are.
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But I'm particularly safety -conscious so just clear it with your comrades before joining in on stuff
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Is your recommendation that I drop $500+ on "correct" armor and $250+ on the "correct" self defense weapon?
5:55 PM
So many of these online spaces that claim anarchism reek of classist judgment
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Dude. Stop it. I show up to community defense shit with nothing but a hoodie and good situational awareness.
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And if they start firing you will drop
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I'm not asking you to buy new gear. I'm asking you to evaluate whether your gear choices are contributing to the safety of the group
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All right I'm done here. We're gonna have to agree to disagree. Just please use your best judgement
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And to any bystanders, don't go out without protection just because you are poor. Research ways to slow a bullet and increase your odds of survival.
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And to any bystanders, don't go out without protection just because you are poor. Research ways to slow a bullet and increase your odds of survival.
Heya. I'm gonna come back and apologize if I came across as talking down to you. It occurred to me that the nature of the events we're each thinking of may be different. So what may be required for safety at our events might not apply to other places/communities.
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No need to apologize!
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You brought about concerns and that's fair
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I'm just angsty as fuck because it's getting real for trans folk fast
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Fair. It's been a rough few months that's for sure
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Likewise, sorry that I was being abrasive
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Damn, people, well done
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I can add ceramic tiles or a rubberized nylon outer layer
We did a test run of plates made with two layers of 1/8th Steel with 4 layers of fiberglass, and strength 8 Ceramic tiles. Layers outside in. 1/8th inch plate, 4 layers fiberglass, one ceramic tile, 4 layers fiberglass, 1/8th inch plate. We wrapped the test plates in ducttape, but the long term plan was to layer them in fiberglass allowing it to cure under a form molded press. Construction time 2 hours on each prototype (would dramatically lower with practice and forms/jigs) with curing time of overnight. Could be done production line with 4 people and build a dozen a day easily. 7.62x39 and 5.56 Nato both were stopped without any noticeable deformation on the back plate, all spalling contained within. on a 4" plate the plate could absorb 2 rounds 2 inches apart without allowing penetration. Cost per plate was a little more than 5 dollars not including labor. Downside was that using premade floor tiles made the plates flat rather than curved... but making the ceramic portion in house would dramatically reduce cost per plate but add two people to the production line with their product having to be used the following day.
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We did another with a second ceramic tile and another layer of fiberglass... We didn't have a .308 or 30.06 to test with, but it did prevent any and all deformation on the back plate. Did not add durability however.
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We decided these plates would be effectively L4, and probably withstand an average of 5 shots before allowing significant trauma to the wearer.
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Thank you for the additional info
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But if someone's been hit by 3-4 rounds in the chest they probably took some to their extremities also and need to be extracted asap.
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For the record, I'd absolutely be willing to be a part of a project/worker collective that makes these. It's actually kinda fun to make them.
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I've got only single layer 1/8 steel with 10 layers of satin weave heavy duty fabric right now
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First off steel plates are garbage against firearms and may result in additional injuries
He is correct
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I’ve been thinking about getting a 3d printer and experimenting with infill/crumple zones
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In light of the risk of spalling, I think I will add the ceramic and fiberglass. I'm also thrifting for 100% silk shirts to bond
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And replace the mixed fabric
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I’ve been thinking about getting a 3d printer and experimenting with infill/crumple zones
I would stick with ceramics, they'd be cheaper I believe. Particularly if you make your own ceramic tiles.
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I’ve been thinking about getting a 3d printer and experimenting with infill/crumple zones
That said... experimentation is how we got that plate design... and testing them is fun even if you penetrate.
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A lot more fun than a paper target or even a metal target.
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In light of the risk of spalling, I think I will add the ceramic and fiberglass. I'm also thrifting for 100% silk shirts to bond
Silk I think would be pretty good particularly used with resin like fiberglass, but I think you'd probably need several shirts worth per plate... limited materials means limited numbers of plates.
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A good addition might be a non-newtonian fluid layer.
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But that's not manufactured in large enough quantities currently to get a low price per plate.
6:56 PM
You can scavenge it from the products made currently that do use it though.
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Oh, I just figured homemade vacuum sealed in a sous vide bag so it stays semi rigid
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Oh, I just figured homemade vacuum sealed in a sous vide bag so it stays semi rigid
I think it'd be fine sealed in a fiberglass layer, stuff moves slow enough to work with fairly easily. Like managing peanut butter.
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Non-newtontian fluid is dead simple to manufacture at home
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Non-newtontian fluid is dead simple to manufacture at home
Please do tell!
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Just corn starch and water
7:08 PM
My brothers and I used to coat our hands in it and punch each other
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Better than punching it while still in the bowl, ouch
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Haha, we called it gloop but this was 20+ years ago (edited)
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Not sure how thick it would need to be for ballistic purposes. I highly doubt it is as strong as ballistic nnf, but who knows!
7:22 PM
Someone go shoot a bag of oobleck/gloop and lemme know! Lol
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IIRC someone called it "oobleck" because of a Dr. Seuss story, but I know it's got lots of different names
7:27 PM
shooting it sounds like the kind of thing the Mythbusters guys would have done
7:43 PM
Tl:dw: it's fucking weird
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Another solution to getting comrades defense gear is to crowdfund for ceramic plates. That's the approach the JBGC's have been taking and we could definitely discuss how to do so effectively. Maybe boosting individuals' gfm/Venmo/etc accts using AIF social media. We'd need to think on how to do it anonymously and securely. But I'd absolutely support getting more folks geared up as safely as possible
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*some of the JBGC's anyways. In know of at least one group up here that was fundraising for armor
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My wonder hoodie is showing up soon. Just IIIa but it's a hoodie.
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Tl:dw: it's fucking weird
Does it remain in solution or does it separate over time?
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Another solution to getting comrades defense gear is to crowdfund for ceramic plates. That's the approach the JBGC's have been taking and we could definitely discuss how to do so effectively. Maybe boosting individuals' gfm/Venmo/etc accts using AIF social media. We'd need to think on how to do it anonymously and securely. But I'd absolutely support getting more folks geared up as safely as possible
A GofundMe would get shut down easily by being reported.
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Yeah we'd definitely have to figure out how to avoid that. I can ask the JBGC that did it what their strategy was. If they had one
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Does it remain in solution or does it separate over time?
Well, I think his method was flawed. It looks like he just reused the already damaged tubs. I think that impacted the later rounds. But, it stopped a shotgun and handguns pretty well, within 3. Subsonic round went deep, supersonic round stopped pretty quickly, and the 50 cal did 50 cal things and blew threw them all whilst simultaneously stealing his girl
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Well, I think his method was flawed. It looks like he just reused the already damaged tubs. I think that impacted the later rounds. But, it stopped a shotgun and handguns pretty well, within 3. Subsonic round went deep, supersonic round stopped pretty quickly, and the 50 cal did 50 cal things and blew threw them all whilst simultaneously stealing his girl
Okay but I'm not wearing a fishtank on my chest. 😉
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Lmaoo
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That was some SERIOUS volume to stop even the .22.
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Looks like a great idea to fortify defensive structures, maybe not so much for bods though
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I wonder if vacuum sealing the fluid would make a difference. Probably not a significant one
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Looks like a great idea to fortify defensive structures, maybe not so much for bods though
I think sand has better stopping power per inch though.
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Yeah, true
8:00 PM
Looks like ballistic nnf is closer in consistency to silly putty
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Giant mixers fed by heavy machinery... or just concrete forms filled with sand... I think the later is still cheaper to build.
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Looks like ballistic nnf is closer in consistency to silly putty
That's what I was thinking of... the stuff they are putting in blunt trauma armor gear.
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Oh yeah, I see
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I think I had to wear a helmet full of it a few times
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Squishy stuff
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Possibly
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There is an under suit made for pigs and motorcyclists of the stuff... uses the D30 trademarked version of Ballistic NNF
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I had to wear an EU regulation helmet when I competed in Ireland. It was an odd squishy foam unlike most other protective head gear I've seen. About 1.5" thick and it seriously absorbs impact. Not sure if it's the same thing though
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Would not want to have just that... each of those would put you on your ass or knees struggling to breath and possibly broken or dislocated ribs.
8:24 PM
But you wouldn't be dead... just out of the fight for a long time.
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I had to wear an EU regulation helmet when I competed in Ireland. It was an odd squishy foam unlike most other protective head gear I've seen. About 1.5" thick and it seriously absorbs impact. Not sure if it's the same thing though
I'm curious.
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Oh yeah, gotta have lots of cushion, aka chain, under plate for modern armor
8:25 PM
Stop the projectile disperse the force
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I'm curious.
I've been searching for it online. It was similar to a standard mma/taekwondo helmet but firmer and heavier
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Like those two had a baby, I guess
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I could see adding D30 to those to lessen the chance of TBI.
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I could see adding D30 to those to lessen the chance of TBI.
Did some research, and it def was not d30. Looks like a similar material/concept was used in the helmets though. The competition was in 2007 and d30 wasn't really commercially available until years later.
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Makes me wonder how effective an inner layer of sports foam—think the protective vests worn in skiing, snowmobiling, atv—would be as an inner layer. They are easy to find at thrift stores, in my experience. Dispersing the force of the bullet is hella important and the dense foam would be better than cloth. On that note, what about memory foam for the same purpose? Not as easy to test this, but I guess you could wrap a glass bowl in the inner layer, add your armor plating material, and see if the glass breaks? Any thoughts fam? (edited)
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Makes me wonder how effective an inner layer of sports foam—think the protective vests worn in skiing, snowmobiling, atv—would be as an inner layer. They are easy to find at thrift stores, in my experience. Dispersing the force of the bullet is hella important and the dense foam would be better than cloth. On that note, what about memory foam for the same purpose? Not as easy to test this, but I guess you could wrap a glass bowl in the inner layer, add your armor plating material, and see if the glass breaks? Any thoughts fam? (edited)
You'll have to play around with materials, your biggest restrictions will be ease of movement and depth of materials... can you reach everything on your chest rig with it bulging out an extra inch or two... some people gots T-Rex arms.
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Makes me wonder how effective an inner layer of sports foam—think the protective vests worn in skiing, snowmobiling, atv—would be as an inner layer. They are easy to find at thrift stores, in my experience. Dispersing the force of the bullet is hella important and the dense foam would be better than cloth. On that note, what about memory foam for the same purpose? Not as easy to test this, but I guess you could wrap a glass bowl in the inner layer, add your armor plating material, and see if the glass breaks? Any thoughts fam? (edited)
floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/11/2022 3:37 AM
baseball catcher’s vest.
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i’d have 70mph fastballs nail me in the chest and not even cause a bruise
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it’s black magic, they have no reason to be that effective with how thin they are.
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just wish they had that on the inner thigh because i’d have unbelievable bruises there lmao
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There’s also horse riding gear which is similar to a typical padded vest but not like hockey gear. Or just go with the hockey gear and look like displaced Canadians (edited)
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There’s also horse riding gear which is similar to a typical padded vest but not like hockey gear. Or just go with the hockey gear and look like displaced Canadians (edited)
There are padded protection vests basically so you don't bruise your ribs, as well as vests that inflate in the case of a big impact
11:24 AM
Like a wearable air bag lol
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baseball catcher’s vest.
joe hill’s revenge 12/11/2022 1:57 PM
U play baseball?
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Like a wearable air bag lol
joe hill’s revenge 12/11/2022 1:58 PM
How fast is the acceleration?
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quite fast
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not as fast as a bullet, but certainly as fast as a baseball can be thrown
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couldn't stop a bullet, in other words, but could deflect blows
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joe hill’s revenge 12/11/2022 1:59 PM
No I meant the airbag
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U play baseball?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/11/2022 2:00 PM
used to, but i’m planning on using catchers armor when kinetic action is necessary
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that shit is really, really good
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joe hill’s revenge 12/11/2022 2:00 PM
Could they hurt the person who punched u. I caught an airbag once to the chest and it almost broke a rib
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on they might push them back quite a bit, even cause a fall
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the real point is to protect the wearer from broken bones and internal damage though
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/11/2022 9:53 PM
I think one of the best things we can do right now is prove the risk America has from fascism.
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A lot of people can argue the ambiguity of what fascism is and how it's defined, so we need to find aspects of fascism that are 1. easy to remember 2. unambiguously fascist 3. being expressed by fascists in america in easily visible ways
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I believe that a big roadblock is being hit because fencesitters aren't worrying about fascism but instead what the definition of fascism is, and that's extremely helpful to the actual fascists (edited)
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We can easily point out a few, and we should pull examples from well-known contemporary and historical examples from both sides of the political aisle to deflect claims of bias.
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for example: a cult of personality is a very strong aspect of fascism; trump certainly seems to have one. violent, unaccountable paramilitiaries; see Patriot Front, the attacks on substations, etc
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nationalism and ethnocentrism; the continuing importance of America above all else, and the exclusion of non-Americans.
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Yes, important... but we need safety infrastructure. Places for people who are targeted by the violence to go to hide, places where folks can regroup, places where families can escape violence and lack of basic needs resources. There is a SHITLOAD of infrastructure we're lacking to properly defend and protect people from fascism.
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LessthanLoneWolf 12/12/2022 4:25 AM
Safe houses along or near major highways, as well as state routes would be good for people traveling. Scattered safe houses in cities would be important to hide targeted individuals. Rural but accessible training areas.
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Mutual aid is super important, but I don’t know if we have the numbers, at least in close proximity, to accomplish much at this time
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I think it’s important to develop localized cells who can support one another, either is certain areas of the state or statewide
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Mutual aid is super important, but I don’t know if we have the numbers, at least in close proximity, to accomplish much at this time
With mutual aid/safe houses the more you build, the more you inspire others to build.
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I think it’s important to develop localized cells who can support one another, either is certain areas of the state or statewide
It's really the only way to do it... it's simply not possible to build an umbrella org to do it... 2-10 people working together on one problem, in federated non-hierarchical support of other groups of 2-10 people working on other problems. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/12/2022 8:36 PM
https://desktodefender.org/ Something worth reading up on.
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@Spinner @LessthanLoneWolf This is a good reason to start reaching out to local mutual aid groups and other lefty organizations. Not only to they have some experience, but I've found that making personal connections to people in those groups gets info flowing and promotes collaboration.. Plus, I'm often surprised to find many groups (DSA, housing activists, mutual aid networks, food providers, abortion rights activists) are often significantly more left than I expected and that they present publicly, and have their fingers in many pots.
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AIF doesn't require exclusivity either, so nothing says you can't also join local groups and build the network that way.
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@Spinner @LessthanLoneWolf This is a good reason to start reaching out to local mutual aid groups and other lefty organizations. Not only to they have some experience, but I've found that making personal connections to people in those groups gets info flowing and promotes collaboration.. Plus, I'm often surprised to find many groups (DSA, housing activists, mutual aid networks, food providers, abortion rights activists) are often significantly more left than I expected and that they present publicly, and have their fingers in many pots.
Yeah I've done a LOT of that. The biggest hurdle with many of those groups is that they all want to focus on the "right now" and not long term... Won't name names because I approve of what they are doing... but the shortsighted nature of most local direct action groups is in my opinion a detriment long term. Yes people need food and socks and someone to prevent eviction hearings... absolutely... but we ALSO need viable long term replacements for for-profit basic needs. Buying and gifting food to people still just supports the system that lets them starve in the first place. Paying for folks hotel stays is necessary, but it still supports the for profit housing industry. We need people doing both... and the ones doing the short term help stuff generally don't want to distract themselves with the projects that won't have immediate effects.
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LessthanLoneWolf 12/13/2022 1:19 AM
@Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy that looks like a great source of info
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@Spinner @LessthanLoneWolf This is a good reason to start reaching out to local mutual aid groups and other lefty organizations. Not only to they have some experience, but I've found that making personal connections to people in those groups gets info flowing and promotes collaboration.. Plus, I'm often surprised to find many groups (DSA, housing activists, mutual aid networks, food providers, abortion rights activists) are often significantly more left than I expected and that they present publicly, and have their fingers in many pots.
LessthanLoneWolf 12/13/2022 1:20 AM
I’m going to start reaching out to some groups in my immediate region. The more we get out, the more we do, and the more connections we make the better
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@Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy that looks like a great source of info
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/13/2022 1:23 AM
Found it on r/socialistra.
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Found it on r/socialistra.
Usually good to take anything from SRA with a grain of salt.
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Usually good to take anything from SRA with a grain of salt.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/13/2022 2:29 AM
Yeah, there's a few tankies in there for sure.
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News Flash: You can be a lefty and say the USSR was a brutal regime.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/13/2022 2:31 AM
i think a lot of people forget that a large portion of leftists are anarchists like me
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i think a lot of people forget that a large portion of leftists are anarchists like me
I use Free Socialist with the normies.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/13/2022 2:33 AM
I don't even know what I'd call myself. I just say Soc Dem because that's closest.
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I don't even know what I'd call myself. I just say Soc Dem because that's closest.
Labels are for other people in my opinion. With lefties I'm an Anarchist, with normies I'm a Free Socialist, with Christians I'm someone who believes everyone deserves to have their basic needs regardless of disability or even life goals. With Fash I'm the guy with the motorcycle chain in his left hand and a shotgun on the hip.
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Local comrade is being doxed and needs to know who runs this account: https://twitter.com/DRAWtheREDline
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Also, reporting any and all tweets as harassment would be helpful.
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rathernot123 12/13/2022 11:54 AM
Be aware
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Neo-Nazi Groups "White Lives Matter" is preparing for their monthly Day Of Activism, on December 17th. Here's how you can prepare, and what you expect, a Thread🧵
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/13/2022 3:56 PM
Damnit, of course on the first Saturday in many where i’m busy. (edited)
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We need to have some sort of simultaneous action somewhere, especially in places where their action can be anticipated. Something as simple yet loud as slapping stickers on light posts, tagging, etc.
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homemade sonic cannons (edited)
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break out the metal
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/13/2022 4:42 PM
Or just a cannon.
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Roll up dressed as Union soldiers singing the Union Dixie.
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Or just a cannon.
JohnBrosGhost 12/14/2022 6:16 PM
Bowling Ball Mortar. We build custom Black Powder Cannons and Mortars. You may view our bowling ball mortar here.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/14/2022 6:35 PM
what if we crowdfunded one of those for when cops kill another person but people randomly choose to be angry about it this time Blink_Shy
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Add some worm gear stepper motors to control the bearing and elevation. Use a drone with a downward facing camera to recon windage bearing and elevation and corrections. Automate the targeting and correction. Bundle it with a ruggedized laptop. Sell them to Ukraine.
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Add some worm gear stepper motors to control the bearing and elevation. Use a drone with a downward facing camera to recon windage bearing and elevation and corrections. Automate the targeting and correction. Bundle it with a ruggedized laptop. Sell them to Ukraine.
Gift them to our anarchist comrades there.
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If you're still on Twitter and want to help damage control a failed neo-Nazi dox (as in they failed and inaccurately doxed a regular journalist as an anti-fascist collective), hop over to our Massachusetts channel to get the info: https://discord.com/channels/990403086675759136/992449913642303548/1053289970045026364
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Basically we're just trying to report each tweet about this as posting location info since that's something that Elon still appears to take seriously
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Happening now at Andrew Heiskell Library for the Blind: Harassers attempted to invade the library, which is holding a Drag Story Hour in about 20 minutes. NYPD has called for SRG.
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It warms my heart that the phrase "the local masses started to hackle and surround the anti-drag queen protestors"
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Is a thing here
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I may not live there any more but I am still a New Yorker at heart, and I am so proud of my city sometimes
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people may not exactly be progressive, but they can tell when people are being antisocial assholes and they're not afraid to call it out
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LessthanLoneWolf 12/17/2022 11:31 PM
No arrests, even with fash shoving g cops? What a surprise/s
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Its New york
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New York cops are especially fashy at times but they know when the local masses are anti-anti-drag show to the point a real risk of a instant mob can be formed, those are bad odds
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What ever happened to that video of the NYPD chief making a speech like, "we are not criminals, we deserve RESPECT" and in-between sentences it's videos of NYPD abusing citizens
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found it~
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Then go to YouTube feedback, and ask them to remove age restriction.
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The city of atlanta is destroying the forest and water supply for a prodominantly black community. and then building a $90 million police base
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Spread this around
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🚨 TODAY 🚨 HOY Que se jodan estos fascistas commemierdas hijos de puta afuera del barrio Time to get these fascist shit eating sons of bitches out the hood
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Skullmaggot 1/1/2023 9:02 PM
We're setting up an organizer's handbook (I hope to get it out in two weeks), but concurrently I believe we can organize training structures (depending on your local density as we get more people, this could be in-person or online). I'm essentially looking for trainers and trainees for the following roles: non-antifascist action, antifascist-action, mutual aid, community defense, social media, media (website, zine), marketing, creating organizational resources, mentoring, firearms training, other training (fitness, legal observer, medical), creating online resources (programming), networking, community outreach, trolling.
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You can feel free to put me down for mentoring, creating organizational resources, community defense, mutual aid, and both forms of direct action.
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We're setting up an organizer's handbook (I hope to get it out in two weeks), but concurrently I believe we can organize training structures (depending on your local density as we get more people, this could be in-person or online). I'm essentially looking for trainers and trainees for the following roles: non-antifascist action, antifascist-action, mutual aid, community defense, social media, media (website, zine), marketing, creating organizational resources, mentoring, firearms training, other training (fitness, legal observer, medical), creating online resources (programming), networking, community outreach, trolling.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/1/2023 11:56 PM
i’m good for basic firearms and medical training, and i love to be a good troll
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i also have an ideologically aligned almost-lawyer friend who i can run stuff by but that’s obviously not the same as actual legal assistance (edited)
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LessthanLoneWolf 1/3/2023 4:16 PM
Definitely available for local medical training, community defense and mutual aid
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/4/2023 3:18 AM
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A quick reminder that one thing you should be doing is posting local events to your state channel and checking your state channel regularly for posts. Connecting with folks who are near you physically is one of the most important steps in getting started and the only way to know who's near you is if we're all posting in our local channels!
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And post in your state chat about local politics and events too.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:38 PM
A drag brunch is being hosted at High Wire Brewing here in Wilmington. This is a red city, in a red county, in a red part of the state.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 9:41 PM
Oh no
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At this point I have just one question: Why?
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:44 PM
I am not sure. I do know that I wish I had gear and a rifle, so I could try to get in contact with them and ask if they would like some protection, or if they would want me to be "on call." I am most certain that protestors will show up, maybe few in number, maybe a lot.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 9:47 PM
If it's been advertised there's almost certainly a group that will show up to protect it. Could be a good way to network with like minded people. If you do go you're better off bringing first aid gear, water, and snacks than weapons.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:49 PM
I hope they do have some support there. Now that you mention it, bringing them water would be a good idea.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
At this point I have just one question: Why?
OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 9:49 PM
Because the way we resist fascism is to stand up in the face of it.
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Also check your local pink pistol or John brown club for the area
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They probably want to be informed
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Or ARE informed and acting as security
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 9:51 PM
Not sure if there are a lot of active jbgc chapters right now. At one point yeah, and elm fork's example has encouraged people, but I think the resurgence is very new.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 9:51 PM
But remember; Show up armed only if they ask or permit it.
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Aces high
Also check your local pink pistol or John brown club for the area
AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:51 PM
Pink Pistol has no chapters in this area. Sadly.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 9:52 PM
For future instances when you do have a rifle.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
But remember; Show up armed only if they ask or permit it.
AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:52 PM
That should be common sense.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 9:52 PM
No harm in ensuring it
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:53 PM
John Brown Club has no chapters either.
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Redneck revolt?
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Democrat gun club?
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 9:55 PM
Redneck revolt is very dead afaik.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:55 PM
I heard they ended up forming part of the John Brown Club.
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At least, members switched over.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 9:56 PM
That's my understanding too. Redneck revolt collapsed around 2017 and led to the forming of the jbgc chapters which also largely collapsed.
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Tbh I heard there might have been some surviving chapters in Texas but who knows
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Might be a redneck revolt 2.0 sorta deal
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 9:57 PM
awwwww shit you’re in NC
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 9:57 PM
Various sra chapters are active but the sra is very much not a direct action group.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:58 PM
Yeah. Red state for the loss.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 9:58 PM
It’s like the NRA for socialists lmao
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:58 PM
I already checked them out. Closest is a few hours away.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 9:59 PM
Not exactly. Our chapter hosts monthly range days and training sessions and occasional hikes and first aid classes.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 9:59 PM
oh, cool
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 10:00 PM
We have at least three certified instructors who can teach the required classes for Maryland hql and wear and carry and are actively pursuing getting many members as possible trained and certified.
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Depends on the SRA. In California, SRA is pretty dead. More pink pistols here. Arizona sra is pretty active tho, so on and so forth
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 10:01 PM
Yeah, it's very much dependent on the local chapter.
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National is not terribly effective.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:01 PM
Damnit, Idaho doesn’t even have a single chapter
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:01 PM
Does Alaska have any?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:01 PM
Yep!
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:02 PM
Really? That is somewhat surprising.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:02 PM
Alaska is surprisingly leftist as far as I’ve heard
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And it also has a very strong gun culture due to how they’re basically necessary in some regions
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:02 PM
They did elect a blue Native American to the House.
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And it also has a very strong gun culture due to how they’re basically necessary in some regions
AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:03 PM
That part is not surprising.
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Funny enough I heard Alaska was a mostly red stronghold til recently
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And that's cause Climate change is scaring them shitless
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:03 PM
They are going to get hit very hard by climate change.
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Russia also isn't helping
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Given Alaska is a goldmine of resources still and Putin has implied all former Russian areas should return to Russia
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:05 PM
by that same logic, germany and lithuania should get kaliningrad (edited)
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 10:05 PM
That's a bit much and pretty much the plot of fallout.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:06 PM
They sold it to us. They gave it up, knowing they would be losing access to anything within. Granted, they knew not of the riches held within, but they still took that risk. If Russia wants to fight us for Alaska, they can try. Ukraine has held them back; the strongest and largest military in the world would crush them.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
by that same logic, germany and lithuania should get kaliningrad (edited)
Going by Russian pop culture pre-Ukraine war, that also was a popular thought and no I'm not kidding
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:07 PM
LMAO WHAT
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YEAH
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:07 PM
that’s fucking funny
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but also makes a little bit of sense
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FUCK I GOTTA FIND IT, BUT THERE IS INDEED SOME SHIT GOING ON IN RUSSIAN POP CULTURE
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:08 PM
considering that region is germany’s ancestral homeland basically
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:09 PM
The story of the transition of ownership of Kaliningrad is insane.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:09 PM
that whole area really
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it was first prussia which made germany and then germany lost it and it became poland but now it became russia
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Ok but like One of the most surprising popular fiction in Russia is alt history AUs. Usually mixed with the iseki tropes but it's a modern Russian man who wakes up in like..pre WWII Russia or some shit Some of these are really REALLY batshit
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But a reoccurring motif is Russia considers Germany as "wayward kin" who "was corrupted by Western European ideals" or some shit like that
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Keep in mind, this is some pulp book shit, but pulpy popular fiction is a good look into the psyche of a society at that time.
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AvoidOblivion 1/6/2023 4:41 PM
The NC National Guard posted 3 posters and 2 flyers along a route walked by a few hundred students per day, advertising free college tuition if you join them. They’re poaching kids. Leave them there, or take some down? (edited)
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The NC National Guard posted 3 posters and 2 flyers along a route walked by a few hundred students per day, advertising free college tuition if you join them. They’re poaching kids. Leave them there, or take some down? (edited)
Tear them down.
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It's defacement of public property.
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Can't have trash put up just anywhere.
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AvoidOblivion 1/6/2023 5:28 PM
My thoughts exactly. I may try for later tonight or tomorrow night. The problem is that they’re along a major road.
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You are a public servant doing a service to others, hold your head with authority, have a trash bag with you (and a clipboard if you have one), and literally no one will say a word. If you have a reflective safety vest all the better. Seriously.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/6/2023 8:45 PM
It's true! Nobody fucks with a guy who has a vest and clipboard. 99% of people will assume you're supposed to be doing it. After all, someone needs to take those signs down at some point.
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If you're confident enough, you can get a lot further than you should. I've heard of guys getting backstage in concerts with pretty big bands because he had a pizza and wore a pizza shop uniform and walked with a purpose.
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If you're confident enough, you can get a lot further than you should. I've heard of guys getting backstage in concerts with pretty big bands because he had a pizza and wore a pizza shop uniform and walked with a purpose.
And it always works if you have a pizza carrier with you (even empty).
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AvoidOblivion 1/6/2023 9:03 PM
That’s a good idea. I’ll look around for hi-vis vests.
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That’s a good idea. I’ll look around for hi-vis vests.
Any truck stop will have them for a few bucks.
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AvoidOblivion 1/7/2023 10:05 PM
What’s the best way to remove a thick plastic poster that has been nailed into a wood post?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/7/2023 10:34 PM
box cutter, brute force
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maybe a crowbar to pry out the nails
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The NC National Guard posted 3 posters and 2 flyers along a route walked by a few hundred students per day, advertising free college tuition if you join them. They’re poaching kids. Leave them there, or take some down? (edited)
Why take em down?
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Might sound like a dumb question, but I'm genuinely curious
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even when we're involved in shit wars like Iraq, the National Guard is one of the least bad parts of the armed forces, next to the Coast Guard and I guess now the Space Force. They just sit around stateside and train and go to school from what I know
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ik we sent a few NG units to Afghanistan tho
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IMO because it's a predatory way to make kids join the military in exchange for free education. No one should have to play war games to pay for college.
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That said I agree the nat'l guard is the least offensive of the recruitment posters. You're more likely to get back as much as you give, as opposed to the army.
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Just everyone's periodic reminder to link up with your local folks, find an event to go to, and start doing stuff in person!
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If you need help finding local events lmk. I'm great a searching social media and full of ideas for events you can do as a group by hosting them yourself.
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No one is going to start a local chapter for you. That's up to you and the other folks on your state channel : )
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trying to work on my anxiety so I can go to some events in person, don't want to hear transphobic slurs from Proud Boys while out at an event
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Yeah that's fair. Maybe look for a "friendly" event to start with?
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Like not a counterprotest of the fash but something like a rally for support or a mutual aid distro?
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sounds good
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If you let me know your general area (like state and nearest large metro area) I can try to help you find stuff
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But only if you want
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i'm in Norfolk, VA
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K. I'll keep an eye out! I'll post whatever I find in the #virginia channel.
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ok thank you
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That said I agree the nat'l guard is the least offensive of the recruitment posters. You're more likely to get back as much as you give, as opposed to the army.
AvoidOblivion 1/7/2023 11:06 PM
In response to @knuckles, this and the line above it: My thoughts exactly. The NG isn't bad, but the way they are trying to recruit is bad. (edited)
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even when we're involved in shit wars like Iraq, the National Guard is one of the least bad parts of the armed forces, next to the Coast Guard and I guess now the Space Force. They just sit around stateside and train and go to school from what I know
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/7/2023 11:10 PM
The national guard is used much more extensively than you’d think
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My local national guard unit was deployed for probably 2 out of the past 6 years
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trying to work on my anxiety so I can go to some events in person, don't want to hear transphobic slurs from Proud Boys while out at an event
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/7/2023 11:14 PM
Try not to be anxious about your anxiety. That’s one thing I learned which helped me manage it greatly. Another thing which has worked for me; Go to things which could trigger anxiety but know about a way out you can use at any time. It’s a very good way to try out anxiety management techniques while also not putting yourself in harm’s way. I’ve put enough effort into active anxiety management that I’ve come out calmer in situations than people without anxiety disorders, hopefully you can too. (edited)
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Why take em down?
Because a lot of NG units are used by unscrupulous governors to oppress the civilians... and all of what Okra said.
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We’re on it!!
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/8/2023 8:59 PM
Hell yeah
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Easy peasy
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I think I need to get an attorney to handle my landlord. It's this bad.
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Look for local housing action groups/tenant unions, they will sometimes know of a real estate lawyer who will work pro-bono. (edited)
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Deleted User 1/9/2023 2:55 PM
Tenants Together is primarily a Californian thing but they also have branches elsewhere! I'd look into them as well, @LydiaLoud!
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ok, thank you!
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i'm in Norfolk, VA
AarborneDivision 1/11/2023 3:39 PM
Fellow Norfolker here, from some of the protests I've been to there are definitely some boots on the ground support for anti fash, but they're pretty spontaneous. Several social democrat, anarchist, and democratic socialist groups came out to protest when Roe v Wade was overturned. I'll shoot you a DM and post in #virginia if I come across any in person events
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Check in your area for MLK Jr Day marches and parades! Both to participate and for community defense
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Skullmaggot 1/16/2023 5:50 PM
I’d like to understand what people are looking for help with to get started with their own groups/chapters, especially if you’re by your lonesome. A handbook will be out soon for a rough idea of how things can develop, but I’d like to hear the specific problems people have had.
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I’d like to understand what people are looking for help with to get started with their own groups/chapters, especially if you’re by your lonesome. A handbook will be out soon for a rough idea of how things can develop, but I’d like to hear the specific problems people have had.
joe hill’s revenge 1/18/2023 4:40 PM
Personally, and im not speaking for anybody else; I would like a plan for how to talk to strangers about joining aif. Cause I don’t know a lot of people, so starting a chapter by necessity requires me to recruit people by myself. How do I do that, and how do I know that I’m not putting a target on my back?
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Personally, and im not speaking for anybody else; I would like a plan for how to talk to strangers about joining aif. Cause I don’t know a lot of people, so starting a chapter by necessity requires me to recruit people by myself. How do I do that, and how do I know that I’m not putting a target on my back?
Skullmaggot 1/18/2023 7:04 PM
These are the kind of questions I want. I’d be going to OkraMonk and WojtektheBear for help. I’m also going to be doing irl recruiting myself soon, so hopefully I’ll both get help and expertise and figure out good ways to do it.
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Personally, and im not speaking for anybody else; I would like a plan for how to talk to strangers about joining aif. Cause I don’t know a lot of people, so starting a chapter by necessity requires me to recruit people by myself. How do I do that, and how do I know that I’m not putting a target on my back?
Develop friendships. Make time to do things with them... over the course of those things find out where they stand on things like policing, and trumpers, firearms, and other hot topic items. Ask the questions in a manner which doesn't give away your opinion (don't use leading questions). If you find out they are on the same page as you, start giving away more of your personal thoughts to build their trust. Recruiting is proactive vetting. And it should take time. Only when you are certain they are as committed to anti-fascism as you are do you lay it out for them what they could join. (edited)
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And for fucks sakes DO NOT develop an intimate relationship with them before you recruit them.
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I personally won't actively recruit someone I haven't known in person for six months or more. (edited)
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A comrade sent me this, for legal reasons I / we can’t condone violence or retaliation, but we should show solidarity with land defenders somehow
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/19/2023 12:47 AM
time to clear my schedule for friday and find a good online scanner for atlanta pd
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A comrade sent me this, for legal reasons I / we can’t condone violence or retaliation, but we should show solidarity with land defenders somehow
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/19/2023 12:51 AM
also, don't say "for legal reasons" because in the stupidly unlikely case you're litigated for actions here that's very hard to defend and implies that you do condone it but are simply trying to skirt the law
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just say "i don't condone XYZ"
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just say "i don't condone XYZ"
Ahhh I see, thanks for the heads up
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joe hill’s revenge
Personally, and im not speaking for anybody else; I would like a plan for how to talk to strangers about joining aif. Cause I don’t know a lot of people, so starting a chapter by necessity requires me to recruit people by myself. How do I do that, and how do I know that I’m not putting a target on my back?
Skullmaggot 1/19/2023 1:54 AM
Looks like someone (I guess OkraMonk?) added a section of how to talk to people (search "Micro-Organizing") in the proto-handbook if you want to take a look.
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LessthanLoneWolf 1/19/2023 7:08 PM
I’m going to try to support an action in Lowell that evening
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/19/2023 7:31 PM
https://discord.gg/projectowl Good server to keep yourself and others up to date on news.
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https://discord.gg/projectowl Good server to keep yourself and others up to date on news.
Yeah just don't point out that Israel is an Apartheid state there.
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Those guys have a serious hardon for Israel.
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It will get you banned if you say anything remotely critical of Israel.
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Yeah just don't point out that Israel is an Apartheid state there.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/21/2023 4:53 AM
Well, the America channels seem fairly left-leaning at least.
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Well, the America channels seem fairly left-leaning at least.
That's what I thought too. But trust me... during that major bombing offensive of palestine two years ago... they booted a bunch of folks who spoke against it... booted folks who posted reports of residences and schools being hit...
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Not saying it's not a good source to keep an eye on. But take everything about Israel with an ocean of salt.
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It colors how they report on Saudi Arabia and most of the middle east as well.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/21/2023 4:57 AM
I mostly stick to the America and sometimes space channels.
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But I'll make sure to point anything fash out to #chaos-monkeys.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/21/2023 2:53 PM
@curcale @444aidan @John Paul Jones any of y'all near memphis? (edited)
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south of Nash
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/21/2023 4:09 PM
right. there's probably going to be hella civil unrest when the bodycam footage of tyre nichol's murder gets released, so if anyone is in the area and willing, please use the time to spread iron front flyers, information, etc
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many people present will probably be antifascists aware of the iron front symbol and early organization but not aware of our new group
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
right. there's probably going to be hella civil unrest when the bodycam footage of tyre nichol's murder gets released, so if anyone is in the area and willing, please use the time to spread iron front flyers, information, etc
joe hill’s revenge 1/21/2023 4:58 PM
Officials say five Memphis Police Department officers have been fired for excessive use of force, failure to intervene and failure to render aid — stemming from an arrest during a traffic stop of a man who later died in a hospital
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This case?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/21/2023 5:11 PM
Yep
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If anyone wants to help report some Nazi fundraising links, feel free to head over to the Massachusetts channel: https://discord.com/channels/990403086675759136/992449913642303548/1067530013332734032
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Or just check out the Twitter thread here: https://twitter.com/NEAntifaAction/status/1616143207800393728
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/25/2023 9:03 PM
Guh. Someone on reddit just called us an “astroturfy patsoc and/or socdem group”
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Any clue how we can counteract that? Our non-radical advertising surely isn’t helpful.
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make a pipeline system starting with basic lib shit and push towards us?
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Any clue how we can counteract that? Our non-radical advertising surely isn’t helpful.
That kind of word salad doesn't deserve a response.
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It's so overtly nonsense there is no arguing with it.
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At best... sus eyes emoji.
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Or maybe "Dude, I need that crack you are smoking."
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/25/2023 10:19 PM
lol, fair
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Any clue how we can counteract that? Our non-radical advertising surely isn’t helpful.
gravybaby420 1/26/2023 9:39 AM
call them a retard and then doxx them and point out any spelling mistakes they made
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Guh. Someone on reddit just called us an “astroturfy patsoc and/or socdem group”
What's the issue with any of this anyways? Do they believe socdems are "social fascists" or something?
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Fucking r/socialistra lmao
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/26/2023 3:12 PM
i love how you know what post it was lmao
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What's the issue with any of this anyways? Do they believe socdems are "social fascists" or something?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/26/2023 3:12 PM
I just want to improve our optics
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I just don't get why these people think it's bad to be or to work with socdems and such
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I suppose they believe reformism is a "tool of the bourgeoisie" or "stands in the way of revolution" or whatever
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I just want to improve our optics
Among the radical socialist crowd? Cuz if so, I don't know how. We're supposed to be a big-tent anti-fascist, anti-authoritarian group. If a handful of radical lefties aren't able to handle the fact that they'll have to work with anarchists, social democrats, liberals, centrists and even—gasp—libertarians to achieve our shared goals, then they can either do nothing or go do their own thing. The socdems, liberals and centrists here have to work with the anarchists and socialists as well, and everybody from across the political spectrum here seems to be doing alright getting along and not doing too much pointless infighting (edited)
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We debate and shit occasionally and sometimes we get trolls and disingenuous people
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but overall, we get along alright and group cohesion should be one of the top priorities
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Among the radical socialist crowd? Cuz if so, I don't know how. We're supposed to be a big-tent anti-fascist, anti-authoritarian group. If a handful of radical lefties aren't able to handle the fact that they'll have to work with anarchists, social democrats, liberals, centrists and even—gasp—libertarians to achieve our shared goals, then they can either do nothing or go do their own thing. The socdems, liberals and centrists here have to work with the anarchists and socialists as well, and everybody from across the political spectrum here seems to be doing alright getting along and not doing too much pointless infighting (edited)
Is there really a large amount of libertarians ready to actively oppose fascism though? Feel like we'd have more luck with conservatives, which is to say not a lot
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That said I'd still agree we need to do more to appeal to all groups, but I'm mostly worried about alienating "stronger" groups by trying to appeal to groups who don't really want to hear about us
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/26/2023 6:32 PM
It’s hard to call right-libertarians antifascist when capital is a fundamental tool of fascism
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Is there really a large amount of libertarians ready to actively oppose fascism though? Feel like we'd have more luck with conservatives, which is to say not a lot
It depends on the type. Obviously Hoppeans aren't. Same with "libertarians" that are just conservatives with Gadsden flags
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Obviously libertarians are not going to be our main target audience, but we shouldn't push away or discourage any who want to work with us (edited)
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I just mean that we are big tent and should be big tent, and those who don't want to work with people outside of their specific ideology don't really belong here. They still have value in fighting our common enemies though
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People who have a problem with social democrats aren't going to fare well here, for example
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With all due respect, I'll work with anyone willing to blacken the eye of a fascist (figuratively or literally) on that action specifically. But there will be a point when it becomes impossible to ignore the role capitalism, and the federal government play in supporting fascism... indeed being the primary tools of spreading fascism. At that point, people will have to decide if they support the tools of fascism. Or the people. I've never met a libertarian who doesn't think of themselves first, and boast about being willing to sacrifice anyone to get what they want or feel they deserve. This is exactly the kind of person who ends up going all in on fascist state control when it benefits them, they sell out even their own family members to gain power in those systems. Radical individualism is ironically a necessary tool of conversion to fascism. As far as socdems/demsocs etc. I see them as misguided by naiveté and hope... hope that our founding fathers were actually on our side and as brilliant as the propaganda said they were. I'll grant they were bright, and opportunistic, and selfish, and in many cases absolutely fucking horrible human beings. Hamilton had enough foresight to foresee Trump. Washington was idealistic enough to inspire generations of the wealthy elite to not only seek the Presidency, but also to abdicate power after two terms. Adams was absolutely dedicated to the truth, and law applied equally to all (white men)... and plenty of other examples. However Hamilton was hardly any saint (and no where near the abolitionist he's made out to be), Washington's "wooden teeth" weren't wooden, they were dentures crafted from teeth pulled from his slaves heads. Adams might have been beyond reproach in most cases politically... but he was a fucking HORRIBLE father... and that directly impacted John Quincy's horrific policies regarding the Caribbean. At some point anti-fascism will face off with government, local and federal. Who will you trust?
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Just using Adams, Washington, and Hamilton as examples... I can if you'd like de-deify each and every founding father of this nation. Our nation was founded on one thing... The idea that white landowners shouldn't be ruled by a monarch across an ocean, and ideally not one here either. It has never once lived up to it's Declaration of Independence... and it has nearly always proven that the Constitution is only there to support wealthy white men... it has only ever been modified to support the common man or woman or person of color when those issues became so great in public conscience that it threatened the continued wealth of the capitalist elite. But none of those issues challenged the existence of the wealthy caste directly... Well one leader of one of them did... but within weeks of his message turning to unite white poor with people of color he was murdered and along with it his message. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 12:08 AM
Letting people know that a partial handbook is out. In general we could fill out more of the sections. The gist of it is that to elevate the level of organization, talk to one another, get familiar, and give one another things to do. Whereas we can give you things to do, we will have trouble getting things done locally. Most of the organization will be local and through your own initiative. Find local buddies if you can. I'll try to see if those who are succeeding can help those that need more guidance. I've got an idea of what steps to take and what to expect when organizing, so I can provide at least a roadmap. I can try to link people together, but find local people if you can. I'll be in #organization . (edited)
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 12:22 AM
Are people in general reaching out to new people and trying to involve them into what they want to organize?
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With all due respect, I'll work with anyone willing to blacken the eye of a fascist (figuratively or literally) on that action specifically. But there will be a point when it becomes impossible to ignore the role capitalism, and the federal government play in supporting fascism... indeed being the primary tools of spreading fascism. At that point, people will have to decide if they support the tools of fascism. Or the people. I've never met a libertarian who doesn't think of themselves first, and boast about being willing to sacrifice anyone to get what they want or feel they deserve. This is exactly the kind of person who ends up going all in on fascist state control when it benefits them, they sell out even their own family members to gain power in those systems. Radical individualism is ironically a necessary tool of conversion to fascism. As far as socdems/demsocs etc. I see them as misguided by naiveté and hope... hope that our founding fathers were actually on our side and as brilliant as the propaganda said they were. I'll grant they were bright, and opportunistic, and selfish, and in many cases absolutely fucking horrible human beings. Hamilton had enough foresight to foresee Trump. Washington was idealistic enough to inspire generations of the wealthy elite to not only seek the Presidency, but also to abdicate power after two terms. Adams was absolutely dedicated to the truth, and law applied equally to all (white men)... and plenty of other examples. However Hamilton was hardly any saint (and no where near the abolitionist he's made out to be), Washington's "wooden teeth" weren't wooden, they were dentures crafted from teeth pulled from his slaves heads. Adams might have been beyond reproach in most cases politically... but he was a fucking HORRIBLE father... and that directly impacted John Quincy's horrific policies regarding the Caribbean. At some point anti-fascism will face off with government, local and federal. Who will you trust?
I respectfully disagree about the socdem/demsoc but as you are American I can see why you think they don't "work"
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If I was born in America I would almost certainly be dead by now
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And the social policies we have are a big reason of why that isn't the case
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But yeah each country is its own unique political system And the white US elite would rather burn the country down, that to hand over social benefits that would benefit white & blacks (and now others) alike
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But yeah each country is its own unique political system And the white US elite would rather burn the country down, that to hand over social benefits that would benefit white & blacks (and now others) alike
Yeah I'm only speaking on what I know... I don't know how Demsoc/Socdem ideology works in practice elsewhere... but here if they aren't anarchists working within demsoc groups because some of them do get some shit done... they are ultimately capitalists first, socialists second. If it threatens their secured luxury apartment lifestyle... it's not going to be something they support. Even if food scarcity will make their luxury apartment a luxury coffin in 30 years.
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Yeah because most socdems in the US are what we'd call petit bourgeois here
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They like helping the poor and feel like doing a good deed, but aren't gonna go particularly out of their way for it
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And to be fair that's also true of a good portion of socdems in western europe here
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But no matter what happens our socdem have their base in the unemployed and the empoverished
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They like helping the poor and feel like doing a good deed, but aren't gonna go particularly out of their way for it
Exactly. Interestingly enough Marxist Leninists here are the same way... with the added bonus of literally shushing people of color talking about their struggles.
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Still, in the first half of the 20th century, European socdems have fundamentally changed our lives
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Working time reduction, paid leave days, free education, vote, etc... it was quite something
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Still, in the first half of the 20th century, European socdems have fundamentally changed our lives
That's cool, but your capitalists are still stealing 90% of your labor... and you aren't much better off than we are as far as having a voice in your governments.
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Someone born in the 1900s might have seen europe at its worst, but in terms of social change they would have seen insane change
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Working time reduction, paid leave days, free education, vote, etc... it was quite something
While I approve of the movement in that direction. I have to ask you to think about this question. How much of that progress was made because politicians knew they would be beheaded in the streets if they allowed things to continue as they had been going?
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That's cool, but your capitalists are still stealing 90% of your labor... and you aren't much better off than we are as far as having a voice in your governments.
And to add on to that I have this somewhat accelerationist take that "social democrats have killed communism" The fact is that when people's lives are made more comfortable they will not want to rebel for more. Understandably so, why would you risk dying and/or losing your house, friends, family, for a revolution that might fail?
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By raising our living standards significantly for the lower class it also made any sort of revolution impossible and by the 80s it was pretty clear a socialist revolution would never happen in western europe bar some sort of major catastrophe
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And to add on to that I have this somewhat accelerationist take that "social democrats have killed communism" The fact is that when people's lives are made more comfortable they will not want to rebel for more. Understandably so, why would you risk dying and/or losing your house, friends, family, for a revolution that might fail?
Yup... and giving up a few things to pacify people is the name of the game. If you can't cow them into fearing you (Machiavelli) dazzle them with bullshit (PT Barnum).
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Well that's the thing, I wouldn't call that bullshit
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I live in arguably the poorest area in western europe (not a competition but if it were we'd be competing for the title), and the scars of our industrial Era misery are literally everywhere
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Wage slaves still be wage slaving, they just have a little more cushion to support them if shit hits the fan. Like the difference between being a peasant under a psychopathic Lord, and one under a benevolent Lord. You're still property of the Lord in question either way. One just has you thanking them, instead of plotting their death.
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We have these small ass houses that are built in a row, next to former coal mines, which were housing miner families in awful living conditions
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In urbanism, a coron is a historical type of working-class housing found in parts of Northern France and Belgium. Emerging during the Industrial Revolution, corons were a form of low-cost dwelling commonly found in coal mining and steelmaking regions of Wallonia and the Nord-Pas-de-Calais. Originating as a form of vernacular architecture, their ...
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Something like that
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I know you have some equivalent in the US
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We have these small ass houses that are built in a row, next to former coal mines, which were housing miner families in awful living conditions
I imagine the soil remediation efforts were pretty terrible... there's mercury in that ground.
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And trust me that, compared to what life was like when those things were built, we might as well live in paradise right now
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I know you have some equivalent in the US
More or less every POC neighborhood or lower income white neighborhood. Accounting for nearly 100 million people. If they are lucky enough to afford even that... more and more become homeless every day.
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So sure, we could and should have much better
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But I kinda don't like when people imply that going from literally eating potato on bread for sole dinner, with 5 people living and sleeping in the same living room, to something actually bearable with reorganized houses and social programs to ensure we can afford food, as being some sort of marginal change
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Like I get it, it's still barely tolerable and I know the causes of it
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I'm enjoying this, but it's bedtime. Good night comrádaí.
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But to think socdem/demsoc policies haven't saved hundred of thousands of lives here from abject living conditions is a bit insulting
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Good night!
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 1:17 AM
@Evo We got a website. Would you be able to contact user Steve Mike to get a link to your Iron Front Europe subreddit up there? Do you want people to help out with posting on there? There are a couple Polish people on here. (edited)
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@Evo We got a website. Would you be able to contact user Steve Mike to get a link to your Iron Front Europe subreddit up there? Do you want people to help out with posting on there? There are a couple Polish people on here. (edited)
That would be nice, I'll contact him later today
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That would be nice, I'll contact him later today
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 3:14 AM
Posted business cards in #graphic-designers .
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LessthanLoneWolf 2/2/2023 1:29 AM
Any thoughts on fundraising? I’ve made connections with local street medics, and have an in on aid to houseless distribution. I’ve put together a list of basic first aid supplies to give out, but the issue is going to be the buying. Would a Venmo, etc be a good idea?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/2/2023 8:47 AM
Venmo 100%. If you get a good following on instagram that will be greatly helpful
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My local mutual aid group is capable of satisfying $500 requests jn under a day due to having a decent following on instagram
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/2/2023 1:39 PM
Hey friends, someone close to me is going through a very hard time emotionally and financially, and just got a cracked windshield. He’s a volunteer firefighter and will have a hard time responding to calls with it. If anyone is willing to paypal them any amount of money, even just $5, that would mean a lot. DM me for his paypal address. He’s been out of a job for two months now and literally doesn’t have enough money to pay for a new windshield, please consider it. (edited)
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My local mutual aid group is capable of satisfying $500 requests jn under a day due to having a decent following on instagram
LessthanLoneWolf 2/2/2023 4:23 PM
I’ve got our Instagram up over 400 so far
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/2/2023 4:23 PM
Hell yeah
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When i become 18 i want to become more vocal against fascism.
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and contribute more
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i can't right now because i am a minor and my dad is a nazi. but when i move out i want to help out.
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i can't right now because i am a minor and my dad is a nazi. but when i move out i want to help out.
joe hill’s revenge 2/2/2023 10:54 PM
Rip
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Fuck yr dad
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Fuck yr dad
Amen
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Fuck yr dad
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/2/2023 11:15 PM
Not literally I hope.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 5:19 PM
If you have something you're working on that you'd like to share, we can append it to the meeting minutes.
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LessthanLoneWolf 2/11/2023 7:41 AM
Typical food-aid benefit will decline by $82 per person in March, with some recipients getting as little as $23 a month.
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Texas, do you want to be a 3rd world country?
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Texas, do you want to be a 3rd world country?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/11/2023 5:08 PM
Yeah, so they can blame the Democrats for it.
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They are in charge of texas, how do they blame the democrats for that?
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They'll find some way to do it
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/11/2023 5:40 PM
And their voters will lap it up.
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Unless they're in Austin which seems to be one of the few sane places in Texas.
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Unless they're in Austin which seems to be one of the few sane places in Texas.
That's a very low bar. Austin is a haven for covert lib racists/classists. They pretend to be woke AF but in reality they shit on everyone who is poor in some cases worse than the rest of Texas. It stems from having a lot of IT Lib transplants.
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Hmm my job involves a lot of travelling. Perhaps I could be a messenger of some sort. But I do not have a message to send, could anyone direct me to a source for that sort of thing.
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Hmm my job involves a lot of travelling. Perhaps I could be a messenger of some sort. But I do not have a message to send, could anyone direct me to a source for that sort of thing.
A source no. But I can tell you how to set it up. Privately identify your regular destinations. Identify how far from those destinations you can go out of route while doing the travel. Identify meeting locations within those paths. Find allies within those paths and let them know when you can be at a meeting location you choose. (edited)
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As a trucker at the time I set those up during 2016, including several in Virginia during the weekend shit went down.
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AvoidOblivion 2/12/2023 6:09 PM
Small actions can make a big difference.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/12/2023 6:22 PM
People should start planting stuff in their yards a lot more
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specially if its natural
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AvoidOblivion 2/12/2023 7:02 PM
If you plan on going no-lawn, only go with native species. Support the ecosystem, go native.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/12/2023 7:53 PM
Mhm
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6L3THAL#0663 2/13/2023 1:20 AM
Hello @everyone, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use the everyone tag but I want to bring as much attention to this as possible. On March 31st - April 1st, a local trans activist group in Richmond VA, will be carpooling up to DC for a Trans Rights march to speak out against the current trans genocide we are seeing. If anyone is interested in coming, from anywhere in the US to DC that weekend in solidarity for all trans people across the country, DM me, and I will send you the flyer for the march. Thank you all for reading this trans
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LessthanLoneWolf 2/13/2023 9:50 AM
@6L3THAL#0663 could you DM me the flyer or a link to it? I could put it up on one of the AIF Instagrams
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@6L3THAL#0663 could you DM me the flyer or a link to it? I could put it up on one of the AIF Instagrams
6L3THAL#0663 2/13/2023 9:50 AM
Sure! And that would be greatly appreciated
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joe hill’s revenge 2/13/2023 3:51 PM
Could u dm me a flyer 2?
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Hello @everyone, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use the everyone tag but I want to bring as much attention to this as possible. On March 31st - April 1st, a local trans activist group in Richmond VA, will be carpooling up to DC for a Trans Rights march to speak out against the current trans genocide we are seeing. If anyone is interested in coming, from anywhere in the US to DC that weekend in solidarity for all trans people across the country, DM me, and I will send you the flyer for the march. Thank you all for reading this trans
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:57 PM
Also, make sure to post it (often) to the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit to try to get more people.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/14/2023 12:45 PM
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Also, make sure to post it (often) to the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit to try to get more people.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/14/2023 12:46 PM
Can you tag the texas role? I can’t.
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For the above post.
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Can you tag the texas role? I can’t.
Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 7:39 PM
Ah, I’m still learning Discord. Does adding the Texas flag constitute a role? If that doesn’t work, you can refer to C.J. for help.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/14/2023 7:40 PM
You have to manually set it for us to be able to @ the role
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like, I can @ California but I can’t @ Texas
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You have to manually set it for us to be able to @ the role
Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 11:51 PM
Okie dokie, @Texas ^^^^^^
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Skullmaggot 2/16/2023 8:39 PM
I could use help coming up with things that people who don’t have a lot of time can do. (I’ve been told by a few people this week that they’d have difficulty getting involved due to time constraints.) A lot of what’s going on (e.g. networking) is time-intensive, so I’m looking instead for useful things on the other end of the spectrum for people, especially if one simple thing can feed into the next set of people like an assembly line. The flyer drive is good, and I’m looking for small, quick, non-committal things someone can do in an hour, in thirty minutes, in fifteen minutes, in five minutes. (edited)
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What can be done to give people time?
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joe hill’s revenge 2/17/2023 6:56 PM
"they tried to assassinate my brother" what's the story here? Was he a political leader or someone the cops had a special reason to hate?
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Any chats here for helping out East Palestine? Wanna know the best way to help or raise awareness
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 1:46 AM
@AldotheApache ^^^^^^
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LessthanLoneWolf 2/20/2023 10:03 PM
2nd distribution in the books!
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/21/2023 1:40 PM
We need to start finding and listing definitive examples of DeSantis’ fascist attitudes. Things that can’t be denied or are at least hard to.
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I’m afraid that people will realize things too late and an organized resistance will only form in the waning hours of the presidential race, not enough for a significant impact.
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sandpisss must be stopped
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/21/2023 1:42 PM
Like, graphics and shit should be made listing examples of his actions and how they’re at least authoritarian.
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“An organised resistance, when battling fascism, must not merely be organised, it must be prepared. Prepared to fight back, and prepared to watch a world burn.”
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/21/2023 1:44 PM
I also feel like we need to desensitize people in advance of an active resistance, like what happened when Trump was elected.
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but not create a delusion
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sandpisss must be stopped
but seriously tho, that fucker is smart. and a smart guy like him is dangerous
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/21/2023 1:55 PM
yeah
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We need to start finding and listing definitive examples of DeSantis’ fascist attitudes. Things that can’t be denied or are at least hard to.
Skullmaggot 2/21/2023 4:25 PM
Probably refer to Lanky_Pomegranate530
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/21/2023 4:25 PM
Good idea, I know he runs a subreddit for that
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Skullmaggot 2/21/2023 4:25 PM
Yup yup
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Skullmaggot 2/21/2023 6:47 PM
Also be sure to post this sort of stuff to the subreddit if it’s not already on there to stir involvement.
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Also be sure to post this sort of stuff to the subreddit if it’s not already on there to stir involvement.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/21/2023 6:48 PM
Roger.
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Skullmaggot 2/22/2023 9:56 PM
So, I believe I will start folding people into a process of information gathering. I know that our current main focus is getting more people, but information gathering is also something everyone can get involved in either local or remotely. I'll be moving this towards an encrypted chat. I'm no expert in intel (and I'll need a lot of help with structure and decision-making), but I'll see to gathering information to determine actionable options. I think one of the better things I can do is to break work into 15 minute-to-hour-long chunks so that even people without a lot of time can contribute.
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Anyone in the dc area the pb are coming Saturday to spray there ignorance on a drag story hour and then on Sunday just a bit north of here. Anyone wanting to peacefully assist in keeping out neighbors and their kids safe from fascist hate PM me for details (please move this if there is a better spot for it)
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Anyone in the dc area the pb are coming Saturday to spray there ignorance on a drag story hour and then on Sunday just a bit north of here. Anyone wanting to peacefully assist in keeping out neighbors and their kids safe from fascist hate PM me for details (please move this if there is a better spot for it)
Skullmaggot 2/23/2023 6:21 PM
So, also post this sort of stuff in the subreddit. This Discord is a lot smaller but you may be able to get more people involved through the subreddit. Network where you can. We also have business cards as a handout now.
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Anyone in the dc area the pb are coming Saturday to spray there ignorance on a drag story hour and then on Sunday just a bit north of here. Anyone wanting to peacefully assist in keeping out neighbors and their kids safe from fascist hate PM me for details (please move this if there is a better spot for it)
Skullmaggot 2/23/2023 6:34 PM
I’ll also say that there are a handful of people looking to do blogs and editing. We also have regular graphic designers but haven’t had anyone to organize them yet—I’m typically too busy. Edit: check out #zine. (edited)
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Anyone in the dc area the pb are coming Saturday to spray there ignorance on a drag story hour and then on Sunday just a bit north of here. Anyone wanting to peacefully assist in keeping out neighbors and their kids safe from fascist hate PM me for details (please move this if there is a better spot for it)
6L3THAL#0663 2/23/2023 8:17 PM
Damn if I could drive, I'd absolutely go
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Anyone in the dc area the pb are coming Saturday to spray there ignorance on a drag story hour and then on Sunday just a bit north of here. Anyone wanting to peacefully assist in keeping out neighbors and their kids safe from fascist hate PM me for details (please move this if there is a better spot for it)
6L3THAL#0663 2/23/2023 8:31 PM
I'm looking at bus tickets, do you know what time it is?
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I’m not sure if the time I think. 10am I just saw your dm I’ll get at you
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Hello @everyone, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use the everyone tag but I want to bring as much attention to this as possible. On March 31st - April 1st, a local trans activist group in Richmond VA, will be carpooling up to DC for a Trans Rights march to speak out against the current trans genocide we are seeing. If anyone is interested in coming, from anywhere in the US to DC that weekend in solidarity for all trans people across the country, DM me, and I will send you the flyer for the march. Thank you all for reading this trans
in the future if you need something let mods know and we can help you spread the word!
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in the future if you need something let mods know and we can help you spread the word!
6L3THAL#0663 2/24/2023 11:49 PM
Thank you so much! I absolutely will!
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Skullmaggot 2/25/2023 2:30 AM
Would anyone happen to have a riseup.net account to grant an invite code?
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Dear @UBuffalo, @ubalumni and @UB_President You can save the multiple annual letters sent to the house asking for donations from the two UB grads living here. And we'll work with our trans child to find a new school for them next fall. Supporting hate speech is deplorable.
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Request tickets and no-show. Or better, request tickets and keep an eye out for protests to go to and help. I know for a fact some are getting started.
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The transphobic tirade at the Conservative Political Action Conference prompted horror from a variety of people, with many calling the comment “genocidal.”
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/5/2023 4:09 PM
Every day, more and more, I feel this overwhelming urge to financially support the brass industry.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/5/2023 4:25 PM
And I feel the urge to firebomb one of these conventions. (Joking of course.)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
And I feel the urge to firebomb one of these conventions. (Joking of course.)
6L3THAL#0663 3/5/2023 4:35 PM
Honestly I want to as well (in Minecraft)
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Every day, more and more, I feel this overwhelming urge to financially support the brass industry.
joe hill’s revenge 3/5/2023 5:00 PM
Brass industry?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/5/2023 5:14 PM
bullets
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joking of course (edited)
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This is a free ticketed event, let's ruin this
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Skullmaggot 3/6/2023 12:42 PM
I’m moving people into collaborative files on CryptPad. I want to merge people’s notes and tasks/requests for information so that we’re all on the same page and can delegate more effectively. The main docs are publicly accessible to this Discord but links shouldn’t be posted on public channels. If you want the link and password, you can get them from someone who already has them. Sunday’s meeting notes will be out later today, but the gist of it is that we need more people who have a clear idea about how they want to proceed and for them to create and delegate tasks towards more organization. It is more advantageous for us to step on one another’s toes than it is to wait for permission or for a process that hasn’t been formalized yet. Edit: I want to first get the big pieces down. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/6/2023 2:49 PM
TPUSA asshole showing up tomorrow at Boise State. Planning on going down to see if I can do anything against it
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TPUSA asshole showing up tomorrow at Boise State. Planning on going down to see if I can do anything against it
6L3THAL#0663 3/6/2023 4:35 PM
Give em hell
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/6/2023 4:47 PM
Via tomatoes.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/6/2023 5:31 PM
While some have lauded the Peterborough drag defence as an unqualified success, the reality is that it reveals several dangerous fault lines and close calls. It is important not to celebrate reflexively but to recognise and learn from our mistakes, even when no one is hurt in the immediate aftermath. To celebrate Peterborough simply because the...
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I think this whole thing is something EVERYONE should read (edited)
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/6/2023 6:22 PM
Hello all; Wolf from the NE chapter. Would people have any interest in helping fundraising for purchase of mutual aid supplies?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/6/2023 6:33 PM
My local mutual aid encourages material donations and also fundraises publicly, so I’d put that out on insta. Saw your post for another distro! (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
My local mutual aid encourages material donations and also fundraises publicly, so I’d put that out on insta. Saw your post for another distro! (edited)
LessthanLoneWolf 3/6/2023 7:09 PM
The plan is every other week; and we want to consistently offer 8 wound care kits, 16 (min) bandaid packs, as well as offer a few safe use kits, and Antifungal powder/oral benzocaine (tooth pain) on alternating days
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We’re in the process of getting an Amazon wishlist together, and setting up a cash app
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/6/2023 7:10 PM
Don't forget to ask the community what They need in specific.
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/6/2023 7:10 PM
We’re just distributing in Worcester, Ma, but want to also distribute in Boston
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Don't forget to ask the community what They need in specific.
LessthanLoneWolf 3/6/2023 7:11 PM
Oh yeah, definitely. Foot powder and orajel are the big ones. They definitely have been appreciative of the medical supplies. To quote; “You can’t get this stuff at food pantries”
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/6/2023 7:11 PM
Awesome! Just wanna make sure, we can often get too caught up in our own operations that we forget what we're really there for.
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/6/2023 7:12 PM
I’ve asked while distributing as to the general needs.
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And I feel the urge to firebomb one of these conventions. (Joking of course.)
Dear gods that would be the literally worst move optically ever. Like up there with assassinating McKinley bad. Mask off fascism the very next day from Dems and GOP both.
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Fun fact: if you say things like "I'd like to kill that person (for legal reasons, this is a joke)" there is literally no legal reason to say it, because this will still be counted as evidence against you
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/6/2023 11:07 PM
yeah just, don't say it
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we feel it too
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TPUSA asshole showing up tomorrow at Boise State. Planning on going down to see if I can do anything against it
joe hill’s revenge 3/7/2023 1:56 AM
He’s on a national tour, gonna be in NJ on the 20th of March (edited)
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I have printed 54 cards for thursday lol (kinda optimistic but it was cheap and I can reuse them later)
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I made a fb page for belgian iron front and I was wondering if you like the text (it is in french/dutch so you'll have an english version to give you an idea)
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(EN) Created in 1931 in the Germany of the Weimar Republic, the "Eiserne Front" (Iron Front) was an organization composed of social democrats, trade unionists and liberals opposed to totalitarian ideologies. At the time, the organization opposed the conservative monarchists of Franz von Papen (who would later help Hitler rise to power), Adolf Hitler's NSDAP, and Ernst Thälmann's KPD. Represented by the symbol of the three arrows, the anti-totalitarian legacy of the Iron Front is returning to center stage, as populist, racist, and neo-fascist movements are on the rise across the world. We have defeated them in the past, we will defeat them again!
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Very nice
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/10/2023 11:05 PM
Today I found an amazing example of why to never be a bystander. I was downtown in my town and witnessed a gnarly car crash; even then in that super high traffic area, I was the only person to call 911 and only one of four to get out and help. So many people, like the hundreds that drove by, can see a problem, but only so few actually do something about the problem. We all see how action makes a difference, so imagine how much of a difference could be made if we all got out and took stuff into our own hands.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Today I found an amazing example of why to never be a bystander. I was downtown in my town and witnessed a gnarly car crash; even then in that super high traffic area, I was the only person to call 911 and only one of four to get out and help. So many people, like the hundreds that drove by, can see a problem, but only so few actually do something about the problem. We all see how action makes a difference, so imagine how much of a difference could be made if we all got out and took stuff into our own hands.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/10/2023 11:09 PM
As someone whose neighbors have an astounding level of apathy, I agree. Nobody cares more about what you believe than you.
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People in my neighborhood will just leave their car doors open because it's a "safe neighborhood". Nevermind the fact that someone was robbed and killed just up the street and the shops down the road are a hangout point for crackheads and the odd Trumpist.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/10/2023 11:24 PM
Oh, and a teacher at the middle school nearby flashed a medical examiner and we almost had a school shooting at our local high school. (edited)
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"Safe neighborhood" though.
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Skullmaggot 3/13/2023 3:18 AM
I'm going to look more into social media to get more people, connections, and info.
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Anyone know anything about BOSAR? Its a law enforcement training that stands for Behavioral Observation and Suspicious Activity Recognition, the high school I’m going to has a cop coming to teach about it. From reading the NERAC site, it says that “attendees will learn to observe and identify anomalies in their surrounding environment that may be indicative of terrorist activities” which to me sounds like it has undertones of racial profiling. I’m I reading too deep into this? From a study guide for the course I found online: “indicators of deception higher pitch/faster speech absence of emotion false smile delayed response or non-fluent speech fewer, brief details to story strategic communication” Does anyone else think this is potentially discriminatory against immigrants or other people who don’t speak english well? The study guide also cites Terry v. Ohio as legal grounds for behavioral profiling, but that case allows cops to conduct searches on the basis of “reasonable suspicion” aka their own inclination as opposed to objective facts. Isn’t this practice also somewhat discriminatory?
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even if is not intended it does sound sus
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try to get some lessons so people can make a method to foil it
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Anyone know anything about BOSAR? Its a law enforcement training that stands for Behavioral Observation and Suspicious Activity Recognition, the high school I’m going to has a cop coming to teach about it. From reading the NERAC site, it says that “attendees will learn to observe and identify anomalies in their surrounding environment that may be indicative of terrorist activities” which to me sounds like it has undertones of racial profiling. I’m I reading too deep into this? From a study guide for the course I found online: “indicators of deception higher pitch/faster speech absence of emotion false smile delayed response or non-fluent speech fewer, brief details to story strategic communication” Does anyone else think this is potentially discriminatory against immigrants or other people who don’t speak english well? The study guide also cites Terry v. Ohio as legal grounds for behavioral profiling, but that case allows cops to conduct searches on the basis of “reasonable suspicion” aka their own inclination as opposed to objective facts. Isn’t this practice also somewhat discriminatory?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/13/2023 2:15 PM
Your gut is right more than half the time; keep looking into it, it’s certainly weird and I don’t like it.
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Your gut is right more than half the time; keep looking into it, it’s certainly weird and I don’t like it.
There’s surprisingly little I can find from a google search. I found:
  • A couple sites selling the course
  • A couple of training announcements for the program
  • A quizlet study guide for the program
I did also find the cop’s twitter. He posts/retweets usual cop stuff; promotions, graduations, articles about cops dying, #thinblueline stuff, but nothing directly racist. But weirdly I can’t find any news/info about the program from sources that aren’t selling it or involved in law enforcement, which just makes me more suspicious
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try to get some lessons so people can make a method to foil it
Can you elaborate on that? I’m a student, not a teacher, to clarify (edited)
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basically try to get (ideally a hidden) recording or a transcript of the info. Racial profiling got exposed when someone got wind how it worked and it was both challenged but also making methods to combat racial profiling.
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The study guide lists “rehearsed responses” as an indication of lying, which was probably developed in response to those methods to combat profiling. The school I go to is pretty liberal, so they’ll most likely be using neutral-sounding language, like in the study set here. I doubt they’ll expand much on the keypoints in the guide. Do you still think its worth it to attend when the information is mostly online anyways? https://quizlet.com/489153631/bosarbehavioral-observation-and-suspicious-activity-recognition-flash-cards/
Study with Quizlet and memorize flashcards containing terms like purpose of observational screening techniques, 5 zones of observational control, three principles of threat assessment and more.
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tbh yes, but this is def a good start
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also any criminal psychologist worth their salt would be challenging that "rehearsed responses"
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Lawyers even more
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Lawyers even more
Do you think it would be worth contacting some expert and bringing this up with them?
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imo if it gets that far, yes
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There’s surprisingly little I can find from a google search. I found:
  • A couple sites selling the course
  • A couple of training announcements for the program
  • A quizlet study guide for the program
I did also find the cop’s twitter. He posts/retweets usual cop stuff; promotions, graduations, articles about cops dying, #thinblueline stuff, but nothing directly racist. But weirdly I can’t find any news/info about the program from sources that aren’t selling it or involved in law enforcement, which just makes me more suspicious
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/13/2023 3:34 PM
Honestly it sounds like a thing made to turn people into snitches
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/13/2023 3:34 PM
99.9993% of the time it’s not going tk be a fucking terrorist
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hence why I wanna know what language they're using
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there's a time to snitch
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/13/2023 3:34 PM
it’s gonna be some guy who probably did a petty crime or some other shit and doesn’t wanna get caught
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but this ain't chief
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Honestly it sounds like a thing made to turn people into snitches
That was my first thought as well, but when I looked into it, I haven’t found it being taught to high school students at all before now
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Every other training announcement I’ve seen has been strictly for active law enforcement only. Not sure what to make of that (edited)
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spend a anti-snitch propaganda
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cops are trying to turn high schoolers into unintentional snitches
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spend a anti-snitch propaganda
Wdym by that?
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Cops have been tryna make kids into snitches forever. And it works
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as someone who's gone through high school, teenagers can be very good at keeping secrets
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most of the time
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I know a couple of teachers who are pretty progressive, do you think it would be worth bringing the program up with them?
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Possible
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@Aces high I was digging into the cop’s (who’s instructing the program) twitter account and he’s possibly knowingly liked white supremacy symbols, but its a little bit of a stretch. He made a post about baseball in 2017, and someone replied to it with a picture of their hand making the ok symbol. I understand that the ok symbol isn’t inherently nefarious but after digging through that account, I’ve found that the owner is ultra far-right, pro jan 6, blue lives matter asshole and with that in mind I don’t doubt that he could’ve used that ok sign as a symbol of white power. Again its a bit of stretch because it happened so long ago and the cop could always say he didn’t know what it meant, but in context I think it points to him being a white supremacist. Does this change anything?
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He is also still actively following the account, but hasn’t liked any of his posts for a while. Then again he doesn’t like many posts
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/16/2023 7:12 PM
Signed up to testify in front of the state legislature tomorrow, representing the American Iron Front
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Nervous af and begging my stutter won’t betray me
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Signed up to testify in front of the state legislature tomorrow, representing the American Iron Front
joe hill’s revenge 3/16/2023 7:15 PM
What about? Will it be on video
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/16/2023 7:15 PM
A bill revoking gender-affirming care for minors, no clue if it will be on video
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✊✊✊good luck, you’ll do awesome
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/16/2023 8:11 PM
@floppunism [BOI, ID] Good luck brother.
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Good luck @floppunism [BOI, ID]! Maybe that shirt gets to you in time 😂
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/16/2023 11:59 PM
Unfortunately it won't, I'm gonna be going straight from school to the capitol
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I will verbally announce that I'm representing the American Iron Front however
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
A bill revoking gender-affirming care for minors, no clue if it will be on video
Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 12:48 AM
Be careful
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Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:20 AM
Also: Since we'd be doing a zine, what topics do people want to see published? (edited)
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Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 2:53 AM
Just reposting something by LessthanLoneWolf: "Has anyone here had experience with fundraising/obtaining donations? I’m putting together an Amazon wishlist (still getting kinks ironed out before going live) and a cash app in order to help with mutual aid efforts. Any input is welcome."
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/17/2023 3:48 AM
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Thanks
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Oh shit, there's a chance I'll be able to go that day
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People should make signs featuring abhorrent quotes by Kirk, with his name clearly displayed on them as well, so passersby and other people who do not know about him will know what kind of shit he believes in and says
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/17/2023 3:31 PM
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
I will verbally announce that I'm representing the American Iron Front however
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/17/2023 4:23 PM
Holy shit, a page came and called them out for breaking Idaho code with this bill
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Good
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/17/2023 5:20 PM
Didn’t get to speak, sadly
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Didn’t get to speak, sadly
joe hill’s revenge 3/17/2023 8:33 PM
How many people spoke?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/17/2023 8:36 PM
Too many to count, went on for just over 2 hours
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lots of doctors against the bill but the bill still passed unsurprisingly
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some of the senators seemed 100% set in their decision with how they asked their questions
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Going to a protest about it on Sunday
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Maybe it's best we stop trying to talk to senators and more finding their income source and dealing with it
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These fuckers are getting paid
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Cut the money sends a message
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Gops won't listen to reason at this stage, so we shift less to shaming and more to punishment imo
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Maybe it's best we stop trying to talk to senators and more finding their income source and dealing with it
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/17/2023 8:41 PM
We have a part-time legislature here, so that will be easy.
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I’ll mark that down as something I can do on my off days once I finish high school.
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Also tell docs to take cues from Louisiana doctors
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/18/2023 5:04 PM
The New England Chapter of the American Iron Front was proud to stand in solidarity with our Transgender friends, family, and neighbors, and march in solidarity in todays Trans Day of Resistance March. You deserve the right to exist; to enjoy the freedom to live as who you are, without fear of hate or violence. It is the duty of every patrioti...
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Bring in John Browners
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No way in hell fascist in Texas won't start shit
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/19/2023 11:40 PM
go to yell “fuck off” to transphobes today at the protest, that was very satisfying
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go to yell “fuck off” to transphobes today at the protest, that was very satisfying
What's also satisfying is the ache in your knuckles after you break their nose. It's such a nice reminder of a fun moment.
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The ache in your what
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/20/2023 11:37 AM
The ache in our you
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(we threw you at a fascist)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/20/2023 4:52 PM
Are we gonna want to counterprotest demonstrations by trumpers if Trump is arrested?
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More and more things point at it happening in the coming days
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Most likely
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If at the very, brace for the worse attacks in lgbta spaces
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(we threw you at a fascist)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/20/2023 5:00 PM
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Spinner be like:
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/20/2023 5:00 PM
lmao
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Are we gonna want to counterprotest demonstrations by trumpers if Trump is arrested?
joe hill’s revenge 3/20/2023 9:06 PM
Definitely
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/20/2023 9:10 PM
Another distribution out
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/20/2023 11:04 PM
Cops made everyone leave. Fuckers can’t let us have nice things
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/20/2023 11:18 PM
cop moment, fuckers
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/20/2023 11:19 PM
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Call to participate in the face to face dissemination of anarchist ideas and mutual aid materials in public settings. This is a call for anyone and everyone to participate in the 2nd Biannual Weekend of Distroing Shit, taking place anywhere and everywhere you can get away with setting up a table, a blanket, a bench,...
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https://twitter.com/ki_jbgc/status/1638585302875815936?s=46 reposting in here fromdefilade (edited)
🚨LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY🚨 call to action for an event on March 26th. Organizers are asking for the community to show up in support to Show these boneheads that made threats they’re not welcome. Rally your crew and plan ahead. WE keep us safe!
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This trans safety community in the northeast is looking for more numbers and organized allies with protection and medical skills
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They reached out to me but I’m not as relevant
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/26/2023 4:04 PM
Shit, they reached out to me for a call about efforts today but I forgot about it
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horhay
This trans safety community in the northeast is looking for more numbers and organized allies with protection and medical skills
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/26/2023 4:05 PM
@LessthanLoneWolf
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@LessthanLoneWolf
LessthanLoneWolf 3/26/2023 4:10 PM
Thanks for the heads up. We mobilized for their Boston march. @horhay how’s they reach out?
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Thanks for the heads up. We mobilized for their Boston march. @horhay how’s they reach out?
An organizer invited me to their zoom call where they were discussing ways to find allies, I sent the link tree for the Massachusetts IF, this person is wondering if anyone wants to be added to their signal
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horhay
An organizer invited me to their zoom call where they were discussing ways to find allies, I sent the link tree for the Massachusetts IF, this person is wondering if anyone wants to be added to their signal
LessthanLoneWolf 3/26/2023 4:14 PM
I can definitely chat with them
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Okay I’ll DM the organizers insta
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/28/2023 1:18 AM
@NGNMGoon Welcome, I’ve already got an idea for a “mission” for you if you’re up to the task, in the area, and comfortable doing it. Would you mind checking out this event and seeing if you can go to counterprotest these assholes?
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I'm already going
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/28/2023 1:19 AM
It’s obviously a more dangerous situation considering what they’ve done and it’s zero pressure, just a suggestion in case you wanna hit the ground running
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Oh hell yeah!
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Yep, Ive organized with some people and were going to both the Element 41 show and the church show.
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Hello, been away for a while. Sorry for my absence. (edited)
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Just had a thought
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Recently I read through Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians and made some pretty extensive notes of what I felt were the most important bits for a person to know. Perhaps if I compiled them all into a single document it would be useful for our purposes?
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Fuck it, I'll go ahead and do it anyway
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This might take a day or two btw
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Recently I read through Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians and made some pretty extensive notes of what I felt were the most important bits for a person to know. Perhaps if I compiled them all into a single document it would be useful for our purposes?
Skullmaggot 3/29/2023 8:19 PM
Yep, if you’d like to write anything up, I’d try to collect it. It’s also possible to publicly publish it either on our wiki or #zine .
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/30/2023 6:02 PM
Everyone doing actions this weekend, stay safe. There will be violence, somewhere, now.
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valid
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you too
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I live in "Commifornia" I'll be mostly safe, you you really need to be careful rn
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/30/2023 6:09 PM
no plans to do anything, but i kinda want to now
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Fireworks with a shotgun by your side?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/31/2023 4:57 PM
going to a trans rights protest adjacent to a simultaneous anti-trans one, anyone know good ways to conceal carry a bayonet?
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thinking about using the string on the end of the sheath to tie it around my neck and keep it under my jacket
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
going to a trans rights protest adjacent to a simultaneous anti-trans one, anyone know good ways to conceal carry a bayonet?
Go to goodwill, get a jacket with an inside pocket
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Go to goodwill, get a jacket with an inside pocket
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/31/2023 5:09 PM
It’s an M1 bayonet, I don’t think it’s gonna fit in a pocket lmao
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I dunno
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I had some letterman jackets with huge inside pockets
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
going to a trans rights protest adjacent to a simultaneous anti-trans one, anyone know good ways to conceal carry a bayonet?
DevilTheAutopoet 3/31/2023 5:54 PM
If you have a pair of combat boots, you can slip the sheath in on the outside of your dominant hand side boot. Then just remember to lay your pants over the top rather than tucking them in. Doesn't make for a quick draw, but it conceals it nicely. I've done that before with my Bowie knife.
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If you have a pair of combat boots, you can slip the sheath in on the outside of your dominant hand side boot. Then just remember to lay your pants over the top rather than tucking them in. Doesn't make for a quick draw, but it conceals it nicely. I've done that before with my Bowie knife.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/31/2023 6:29 PM
Smart! I'll do that.
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6L3THAL#0663 4/1/2023 10:14 PM
If we have any people down in Florida, the National Socialist Movement will be holding a rally in Ormond Beach.
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Fuck em up
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/1/2023 10:21 PM
@Florida
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Very upset that I’m not in Florida right now
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Because I would love to go
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If we have any people down in Florida, the National Socialist Movement will be holding a rally in Ormond Beach.
Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:53 AM
That'd possibly be for Casey. (edited)
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LessthanLoneWolf 4/3/2023 6:03 PM
Next distro: 6 wound care kits, 16 bandaid packs, and 10 oral analgesic gel (not pictured)
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6L3THAL#0663 4/5/2023 9:08 PM
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-an-rva-tgirl-beat-false-prolife-allegations?member=26113193&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_content=undefined&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer&utm_term=undefined A trans woman at a protest I helped organize was assaulted by event security and falsely charged with assault, any help towards her would be greatly appreciated ❤️
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Skullmaggot 4/10/2023 1:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NoTuqDAkfg Prevalent AI is going to be a massive wildcard in the near future. I don't believe there are any regulations in place that would prevent the creation of a hyper-intelligent bot that would stalk us. (Don't even know if regulations would help, as AI is now at the point where you can tell a program what to build and it codes it for you.) AGI is expected to arrive soon, some say 5 years, some say 18 months. Current AI already shows signs of general intelligence. This can be a big problem over who has access to the best, most powerful AI--it's going to be the people with money and influence who will be able to vastly expand that money and influence by essentially beating the rest of the world in chess game of life. I would also turn to AI to find a way to have people remain hidden and anonymous. I'm not sure if people take this seriously or what people want to prioritize. I'm of the mind that anything that can happen will happen, and I don't know if we shouldn't be having serious discussions about this. My first thought is to see if we can make big friends or improve our network for better protection. Sorry if this is too much (or if I'm coming off as paranoid), I just don't want to be caught unawares in a rapidly changing world.
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Run for Something recruits and supports talented, passionate young people who will advocate for progressive values now and for the next 30 years, with the ultimate goal of building a progressive bench.
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so, I found out this was a thing
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and related, it has a list of minor local government positions that could be filled by progessives
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/11/2023 8:45 AM
You know what we should probably be out doing? Making sure people are registered to vote, helping them plan to go vote, and making sure they know where to vote
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If you’re not willing to or able to go out to a protest, this might be a good idea
8:46 AM
I think we should try to plan out registration drives and get people into the polls
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I think we should try to plan out registration drives and get people into the polls
This is the kind of thing I generally support as a bare minimum, but there are orgs who do that better and are already more organized to do specifically that. While I think electoralism is shit, it is at least a thumb in the proverbial dam. But I'd recommend people do voter registration and education stuff through the Dem party, or groups like DSA or other orgs with major campaigns focused on that.
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Creating a voter registration program is tough work and not particularly effective if not tied to larger orgs with existing voter registration projects. (edited)
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And the cost for materials, and time to design them, is quite high... those orgs already have pamphlets and flyers and such for that purpose and tailored to local municipalities/districts.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/11/2023 11:52 AM
I’m thinking we need to throw with them
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AvoidOblivion 4/11/2023 2:36 PM
I agree that we need to find ways to get more people to vote. Gen Z seems to have a strong majority of people with left-wing views, but of the people that are eligible to vote, few are registered and even fewer actively vote. In my last English class in my senior year, my teacher asked everyone in the class if they had pre-registered to vote or had already registered. We had a class of about thirty people. I was one of perhaps four or five to raise their hand. Voter apathy is strong in Gen Z.
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Where do ya live? Cause every time elections come around, the line to register to vote on my campus is long
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A lot of gen z and millennial provided but still
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Provided, I have a theory that ever since Prop 8 was forced on CA by Mormons in Utah, a LOT of millennial as a rule become more and more political if only on virtue of FUCK UTAH MORMONS (edited)
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Where do ya live? Cause every time elections come around, the line to register to vote on my campus is long
AvoidOblivion 4/11/2023 3:44 PM
I am in Southeast North Carolina.
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What's Prop 8
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AvoidOblivion
I am in Southeast North Carolina.
yup that explains a lot (sorry for late reply)
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AvoidOblivion 4/11/2023 8:53 PM
No worries. I wouldn’t call it late.
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What's Prop 8
Prop 8 was a series of laws that basically made homosexuality (specifically gay marriage) technically illegal in CA. What made it such a massive fucking pet peeve for Californians was it wasn't market/ran as such. It was phrased in a way to just add additional marriage strengthening policies for the state, only to be discovered AFTER it was voted in that it would make gay marriage illegal AND that it was funded by the Mormon Church in Utah who were actively trying to fuck with their neighbor's politics because how dare those "heathens" do what they want, the mere site of them tolerating the lgbta is a problem...despite it not being their state When this got found out, the CA democrat party (who are not above mudslinging) used this to stir so much hate towards mormons here to get people to be active voters and the mormon hate is STILL being felt to this day!
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it got removed a couple years ago I think
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like
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right before Oberfell
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Prop 8 was a series of laws that basically made homosexuality (specifically gay marriage) technically illegal in CA. What made it such a massive fucking pet peeve for Californians was it wasn't market/ran as such. It was phrased in a way to just add additional marriage strengthening policies for the state, only to be discovered AFTER it was voted in that it would make gay marriage illegal AND that it was funded by the Mormon Church in Utah who were actively trying to fuck with their neighbor's politics because how dare those "heathens" do what they want, the mere site of them tolerating the lgbta is a problem...despite it not being their state When this got found out, the CA democrat party (who are not above mudslinging) used this to stir so much hate towards mormons here to get people to be active voters and the mormon hate is STILL being felt to this day!
AvoidOblivion 4/11/2023 9:03 PM
the mormon hate is STILL being felt to this day!
Talk to anyone who left the Church: that hate is well deserved.
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well no shit
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but before prop 8, Mormons were seen as weird Christian spin off
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AvoidOblivion 4/11/2023 9:04 PM
One of my oldest brother’s childhood friends is Mormon. His parents raised him Mormon. I believe it is either him or his brother who is closeted. Came out to his friends, but not to their parents. I feel very bad for him, living amongst people who would disown him and harm him if they knew the truth.
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after Prop 8, the fucking Mormon hate came out in droves in CA for them fucking with OUR politics
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wanna piss off a CA to vote? tell them those religious hick fucks are telling you want to do and are gonna do horrible things to your family on top of it
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as seen with the abortion codified into state law and CA telling Texas fed judge to go fuck himself, Californians HATE what other people tell them what to do if its something antithesis to their values
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Here in 208 we know all about the LDS church fuckin things up. Average people can be nice (to your face) but they're the lobby that puts our state in the 20-year lag it's in behind everyone else.
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They seem to hate anything that funds education and also might be fun
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/11/2023 10:04 PM
Yeah the LDS has a horrible grip on Idaho
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You can’t drive 4 miles without seeing one of their churches or whatever they call them
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They also have two giant stone temples
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time to stir mormon hate
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/11/2023 10:06 PM
i mean, everyone here in Idaho either doesn’t like them or is Mormon
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true
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but you could use said hate (within reasonable expectations mind you) to drive voters into combatting mormon influence)
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but you could use said hate (within reasonable expectations mind you) to drive voters into combatting mormon influence)
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/11/2023 10:11 PM
really hard to do when your area is 30-40% mormon lmao
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really hard to do when your area is 30-40% mormon lmao
6L3THAL#0663 4/11/2023 10:12 PM
Damn I would imagine so
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Once again, Idaho is the west coast's trashcan.
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I'm sorry flop
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We gotta deal with Idaho
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Here in 208 we know all about the LDS church fuckin things up. Average people can be nice (to your face) but they're the lobby that puts our state in the 20-year lag it's in behind everyone else.
Mormons are fuckin’ scary
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Mormons are fuckin’ scary
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/11/2023 11:02 PM
Can confirm. Have a church next to my college and those fuckers are always there trying to convert people.
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We gotta deal with Idaho
a simple solution! a whistle of air! a flash of shiny metal as a large object plummets to the earth! a massive billowing plume of black smoke and an astoundingly enormous outburst of gamma radiation! 😱 idaho’s gone, you say? what could have possibly happened? (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/11/2023 11:28 PM
blobcatsnapped
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Can confirm. Have a church next to my college and those fuckers are always there trying to convert people.
there’s a mormon church thingy two buildings down from my complex, right next to the confederacy mansion
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sounds about right
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a simple solution! a whistle of air! a flash of shiny metal as a large object plummets to the earth! a massive billowing plume of black smoke and an astoundingly enormous outburst of gamma radiation! 😱 idaho’s gone, you say? what could have possibly happened? (edited)
..I know I joke Idaho needs to Ida-go (borrowing that from @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy ) but I don't think nuking it is the answer
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/11/2023 11:44 PM
no it is
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assuming INL doesn’t make us nuke ourselves
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the mormon hate is STILL being felt to this day!
Talk to anyone who left the Church: that hate is well deserved.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:02 AM
Mormons suck
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as seen with the abortion codified into state law and CA telling Texas fed judge to go fuck himself, Californians HATE what other people tell them what to do if its something antithesis to their values
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:03 AM
Texas should be Re-Reconstructed
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TBH that's true but it would also require lowkey Shermaning Texas down to the ground and a serious long term occupation Ala the Marshall plan and Texas hasn't formerly declared war on anyone yet
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Also nobody has any military backing yet
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TBH that's true but it would also require lowkey Shermaning Texas down to the ground and a serious long term occupation Ala the Marshall plan and Texas hasn't formerly declared war on anyone yet
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 11:29 AM
Duh, Texas is gonna try to secede
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Atm no But it is texas...and Patrick star said it the best
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..I know I joke Idaho needs to Ida-go (borrowing that from @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy ) but I don't think nuking it is the answer
awwww why not?
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Few things annoy me more than calling Mormons "Christian"
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I don't like shitting on religions, especially not just because they're new or weird or whatever, but Mormonism to me is like if one of those "new religious movements" caught on and became established enough to the point where it's not even called an NRM anymore
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there were a dozen Mormon-like religions in the 1700s-1900s. Some were cults and some weren't, but I mean like religions based off of Christianity adding new books, new prophets, establishing new churches... Even established churches like the Seventh-Day Adventists originate from false predictions of the Second Coming by a guy named William Miller
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I don't like shitting on religions, especially not just because they're new or weird or whatever, but Mormonism to me is like if one of those "new religious movements" caught on and became established enough to the point where it's not even called an NRM anymore
joe hill’s revenge 4/12/2023 9:47 PM
There were some people who thought Mormonism was the American Islam. They feared joe smith invading east coast America like Mohamed taking Medina
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Lmao
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A hoard of pasty white dudes armed and in body armour with stereotypical Mormon missionary clothes on riding bikes to blitz eastern Chicago circa 2027 is unfortunately an actual possibility in this timeline. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 11:39 PM
i'm now imagining guys with white button-up shirts and their ties as headscarves in the back of an F-150 with stock AR-15s
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
i'm now imagining guys with white button-up shirts and their ties as headscarves in the back of an F-150 with stock AR-15s
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/13/2023 12:58 AM
Y’all-queida
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Duh, Texas is gonna try to secede
DevilTheAutopoet 4/14/2023 12:01 PM
Texas tries to secede every election cycle. Every election cycle a petition for secession goes up, it gets a few hundred thousand signatures, usually including some members of the state legislature, and then it goes nowhere.
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They also teach kids in schools in Texas that we (as a native Texan I still say we even though I don't live there anymore) are the only state that maintains the right to secede, even though that's complete and utter nonsense that has no legal basis whatsoever. We do maintain the right to split ourselves into up to five states if we wanted, but the only reason to do that would be to get more electoral college votes and Senators.
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They also teach kids in schools in Texas that we (as a native Texan I still say we even though I don't live there anymore) are the only state that maintains the right to secede, even though that's complete and utter nonsense that has no legal basis whatsoever. We do maintain the right to split ourselves into up to five states if we wanted, but the only reason to do that would be to get more electoral college votes and Senators.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/14/2023 12:56 PM
I knew that splitting thing, and it’s one of my favorite things to bring up, because correcting smug Texans is always fun
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I knew that splitting thing, and it’s one of my favorite things to bring up, because correcting smug Texans is always fun
I find it tedious, because they literally are physically incapable of acknowledging they are wrong about... well anything. It's like a state where 80% of the population is Grandiose Narcissists, 8% Vulnerable Narcissists, 6% Psychopaths, and the rest are people who moved to Texas from somewhere else.
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Hell the only good Texans I know (born and raised) are kinky as fuck, or left Texas never to return.
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I find it tedious, because they literally are physically incapable of acknowledging they are wrong about... well anything. It's like a state where 80% of the population is Grandiose Narcissists, 8% Vulnerable Narcissists, 6% Psychopaths, and the rest are people who moved to Texas from somewhere else.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/14/2023 5:03 PM
Outside of Texas, they try to correct you, then lose their shit when you show prove them wrong, and frankly, the rest of us really don’t like Texans, so people tend to jump in to bully them when they throw a hissy fit (edited)
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Hell the only good Texans I know (born and raised) are kinky as fuck, or left Texas never to return.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/14/2023 7:20 PM
I find the kinky as fuck one to be funny. Like we're so fucking damaged and repressed by our time growing up in Texas that we need to let it all out in the bedroom.
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I find the kinky as fuck one to be funny. Like we're so fucking damaged and repressed by our time growing up in Texas that we need to let it all out in the bedroom.
Texas does have the largest Kink/BDSM communities in the country, if not the world. Even San Francisco outside of the Leather community is smaller than the Dallas or Houston communities these days. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/14/2023 7:23 PM
...even san francisco? holy shit
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Whoooaaaa
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...even san francisco? holy shit
SF is still the mecca for Gay Leather, with Chicago trailing close behind, and Dallas behind that. But for Cis/het Kink communities... Dallas and Houston are top of the list that I know of.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/14/2023 7:24 PM
ahh, makes sense
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Why tf did it have to be Texas.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/14/2023 7:24 PM
funny for san francisco to have "cis" in the name when it is absolutely nothing of the sort
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New York and LA have highly exclusive kink communities... but not very numerous certainly compared to total population.
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funny for san francisco to have "cis" in the name when it is absolutely nothing of the sort
Sad truth is, SF is run entirely by wealthy cis/het folk who can't stand the gay community but accept it because it makes them wealthy.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/14/2023 7:30 PM
Gonna ask before I do anything, but, there's this patch of broken glass in one lane of my house's street, and because nobody lives on the plot it would normally affect, no one has cleaned it up for months it has just been sitting there! tomorrow I'm going to be cleaning it, I got a rake, a shovel and a wheelbarrel in the shed, is that going to be enough to clean it?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/14/2023 7:33 PM
you'll need a broom
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/14/2023 7:34 PM
also have that
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so yeah, guess i'm set
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any disposal tips?
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I don't want my plastic bag braking on my walk home
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Sturdy garbage bag... black and thick.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/14/2023 7:39 PM
alr, tomorrow that patch won't be there
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You never know when powdered glass could come in handy, I would suggest saving it in a big wide mouth mason jar.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/14/2023 7:54 PM
hm, if you say so
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You never know when powdered glass could come in handy, I would suggest saving it in a big wide mouth mason jar.
I hear gas tanks love it.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/14/2023 7:57 PM
casually doesnt get it
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Texas does have the largest Kink/BDSM communities in the country, if not the world. Even San Francisco outside of the Leather community is smaller than the Dallas or Houston communities these days. (edited)
DevilTheAutopoet 4/14/2023 7:57 PM
Yeah I actually did know that. Also, the queer kink community in Texas is... not as small as you would think. Like I was kidding before but... there probably is some truth to the idea of it being a trauma response. Queer kink communities in Texas are also more covert for... obvious reasons.
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Yeah I actually did know that. Also, the queer kink community in Texas is... not as small as you would think. Like I was kidding before but... there probably is some truth to the idea of it being a trauma response. Queer kink communities in Texas are also more covert for... obvious reasons.
I was majorly involved in Gay Leather in Dallas and Houston, taught at conventions in Dallas, Houston, and Tulsa. I know they aren't small. But they aren't SF.
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Outside of Texas, they try to correct you, then lose their shit when you show prove them wrong, and frankly, the rest of us really don’t like Texans, so people tend to jump in to bully them when they throw a hissy fit (edited)
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. (7 Wall.) 700 (1869), was a case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The case involved a claim by the Reconstruction government of Texas that United States bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate state legislature during the American Civil War. The state filed suit di...
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LessthanLoneWolf 4/17/2023 6:33 PM
Dropped of more medical supplies for our biweekly aid distribution
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Looking for CPUSA rapists meeting location
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in richmond
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Looking for CPUSA rapists meeting location
joe hill’s revenge 4/19/2023 8:21 AM
What?
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joe hill’s revenge
What?
I believe she wants to know when/where CPUSA in Richmond meets.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/19/2023 6:13 PM
it was the rapists part that confused me
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 6:14 PM
Sounds like CPUSA pulled a Redneck Revolt.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Sounds like CPUSA pulled a Redneck Revolt.
Which should shock absolutely no one.
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Considering how CPUSA is full of feds, it doesn't surprise me
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Considering how CPUSA is full of feds, it doesn't surprise me
Feds, Authcoms, same picture.
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Most of them aren't communists at all tho, most are just centrists who have no understanding of what communism actually is
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And then the communist members are equally as shit
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Although they don't understand it either because they're always revisionists
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Feds are just centrists who work for the government. Centrists are just authcoms who prefer private corporations to be their mechanism for wealth to loyalty to a central party.
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Communism is just a means to create a state controlled capitalist structure. Even Marx said it would take a leaderless autonomous revolution to overthrow the central party authority when it refused to give up power. That's the part MLs don't want anyone to remember.
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Skullmaggot 4/21/2023 3:36 AM
I'm scouring the internet for useful links to active orgs/chapters and protest calendars to connect people to on-the-ground groups and events. If you encounter useful group links or state protest calendars, I'd like to collect them. I'll put things on the wiki eventually.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/21/2023 9:52 AM
Everyone should try to make it out for May Day
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/21/2023 9:55 AM
RebelKitty and I will
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joe hill’s revenge 4/21/2023 10:01 AM
Also we should host a cross event with trans guns
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/21/2023 9:56 PM
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/22/2023 4:06 PM
anyone else really surprised by the lack of fash actually doing stuff recently?
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it’s been a lot of governmental fascism and not “grassroots” fascism
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no guys going out with rifles
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
it’s been a lot of governmental fascism and not “grassroots” fascism
joe hill’s revenge 4/22/2023 4:08 PM
They are demoralized and the state is doing it for them
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There is a lot of activity but it’s mostly low key
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joe hill’s revenge
They are demoralized and the state is doing it for them
Depending on the state, even the state is facing pushback both civil and uncivil
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See Texas and Tennessee
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Depending on the state, even the state is facing pushback both civil and uncivil
joe hill’s revenge 4/22/2023 5:42 PM
Yea but I feel like there is a lot of fascist activity it’s just more low key
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Welcome fellow antifascists! As we enter into the spring, its clear that while the gender fascist wave of violence, harassment and intimidation against the LGBTQ+ community is continuing, some cracks are also beginning to show. Death threats, arson attacks, and far-Right protests are seemingly a weekly occurrence, while pundits are rushing to ma...
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Oh they have to
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Even right wing social media spaces get seized and used to find them and deal with them
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joe hill’s revenge 4/22/2023 5:52 PM
One anti-drag and one pro-drag activist went face to face for a moment, leading to the one brief fight which left the anti-drag activist and a different drag supporter arrested.
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Bro this video is insane
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This weekend, the town of Chardon in Ohio braced itself for more violence from right-wing protesters at drag events.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/22/2023 8:30 PM
destiny you fucking idiot
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don’t give fascists a platform
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debating them legitimizes their views as something to be civilly considered and not rejected with malice
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The only platform a fascist should get is a gallows tbh
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The second best is beating them live on air
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
destiny you fucking idiot
Every motherfucking one of these people are only in it for the cash. They will platform literally only those who make them money.
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Every motherfucking one of these people are only in it for the cash. They will platform literally only those who make them money.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/23/2023 2:55 AM
It's part of why I never put much stock in political YouTubers. They spend way too much time talking and too little time doing. And actions speak louder than words.
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The exception being sharkzerohero because he's funny.
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Kavernacle was too until I figured out he's a tankie piece of shit.
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Thats not an axe handle that's my rattan stick and my gauntlets
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Thats not an axe handle that's my rattan stick and my gauntlets
AvoidOblivion 4/23/2023 2:31 PM
Those gauntlets look badass.
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Thanks.
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LessthanLoneWolf 4/23/2023 8:24 PM
@NGNMGoon it’s fun to find yourself in pics sometimes. I’ve found myself in some of the nazi propaganda pics as “scary” antifa lol
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 10:32 PM
Inside of this incredible report by @afainatl, which exposes the fascists of the Southern Sons Active Club, is important news about future Patriot Front activity. It looks like PF is planning a national event sometime around May 12-14 in the “Southern Mid Atlantic [region …]." 【QRT of ATL Antifascists (kolektiva.social/@Atl… 💖 54 🔁 29
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/24/2023 11:34 AM
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@NGNMGoon it’s fun to find yourself in pics sometimes. I’ve found myself in some of the nazi propaganda pics as “scary” antifa lol
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/24/2023 4:31 PM
Mind if I ask for them? Those sound badass
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Mind if I ask for them? Those sound badass
LessthanLoneWolf 4/24/2023 4:39 PM
I don’t have them anymore unfortunately; I periodically go through my phone and delete most pics. If my phone ever falls into police hands I try to make it as innocent as possible
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/24/2023 4:40 PM
Fair enough
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Do you maybe know where I should look?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
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What laws have they broken?! I'll donate myself but considering how cowardly texan cops are, I'm surprised they didn't find themselves surrounded by other JBGC members.
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What laws have they broken?! I'll donate myself but considering how cowardly texan cops are, I'm surprised they didn't find themselves surrounded by other JBGC members.
They might not have had the numbers.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/26/2023 1:30 PM
Last day before the Missouri AG’s massive restriction on gender-affirming care goes into effect (edited)
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is that the same one where the dude pepper sprays a fash? I’ll support but I hope he learns a lesson not to throw the first in front of a swarm of cops 😑
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is that the same one where the dude pepper sprays a fash? I’ll support but I hope he learns a lesson not to throw the first in front of a swarm of cops 😑
Well the dude he threw hands at did use a flagpole as a spear against him. I doubt the charges will stick.
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joe hill’s revenge
Democracy isn't worth shit there, is it?
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She just spoke up on an issue that matters a lot to us trans people, and got punished for it.
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I'm sick of all this having to play nice and be all respectable in politics. We need to be able to say how it is when people's rights and lives are on the line.
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Skullmaggot 4/28/2023 12:37 AM
I could use some help/assurance/brainstorming for anonymous, tax-free methods of payments that don't require us to declare ourselves as a nonprofit/business. Is it correct that we can just send people money if it's below the gift tax limit ($16,000/year)? What do people think about CashApp? (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/29/2023 2:10 AM
I want to also see if we can name measures of progress: Mine is that I'd want to see that everyone entering the Discord can connect with others (either in AIF chapters or other orgs) on the ground for protests, events, and training. What is your measure of progress?
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I want to also see if we can name measures of progress: Mine is that I'd want to see that everyone entering the Discord can connect with others (either in AIF chapters or other orgs) on the ground for protests, events, and training. What is your measure of progress?
joe hill’s revenge 4/29/2023 2:48 PM
hosting some may day events next year is a long term goal
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/29/2023 3:50 PM
How viable do you guys think a general strike would be?
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Not at all viable.
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Someone tries it every third month (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/29/2023 6:59 PM
We don't remotely have the resources, reach, or infrastructure necessary.
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@Eazy8 Antifa Viking Unions have a lot of power, but not enough to simultaneously strike without damaging themselves badly in the process. I love the idea, but it's probably not feasible, short of a literal, dramatic, violent coup that's actually successful. J6 happened and unions didn't do anything, because democracy (ish) held, somehow. If the fascists had succeeded, we'd probably have seen it.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/1/2023 5:23 PM
I want to start a team to analyze, categorize, and predict fascist threats and actions and to analyze their behavior during, before, and after actions by those fascist groups. If anyone is interested please DM me, we should start to get to work and focus hard on what our goal as an antifascist network is, especially since they seem like they’re starting to ramp up activity.
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Hoping to get it started soon so once Summer starts and we have more free time we momentum going.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/3/2023 12:17 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/auntienetwork/ Place for those who need help with abortion services. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://www.reddit.com/r/auntienetwork/ Place for those who need help with abortion services. (edited)
Skullmaggot 5/3/2023 2:31 AM
I'll copy this to #outsourcing .
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://www.reddit.com/r/auntienetwork/ Place for those who need help with abortion services. (edited)
It's cool, but I can't seem to figure out why they won't accept a post. Kinda weird and unresponsive moderation.
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Just canned responses.
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Can't really help if they literally won't even say what the problem is.
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Skullmaggot 5/5/2023 12:27 AM
Would it be possible to see who wants to take on each new person coming into the server? Odds are they would be in another region. But, it would still be good to connect them to people who are leading things and to make sure that everyone is involved in some sub-group.
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For example, I have emilyr (Wisconsin, IT Support) and Dylpancake (Tennessee, radio communications, IT, self defense policy, self-sufficiency). I've been trying to direct people towards where I thought they'd most likely be useful, but this should be a communal thing to understand what human resources there are and how to place people. I've been relying on people's initiative but I'm worried this is not hitting the mark. (edited)
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I would probably need, like, five to ten people to review where people may be needed the most and how to develop them. (edited)
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If it's anything, I'm looking at connecting with the local Food Not Bombs group and seeing what I can do 🙂
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i need to hit up another protest
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this before but there was a bipartisan bill introduced to stop congressmen from trading stocks. Pretty useful in the fight against corruption. If you support it remember to message your congress people to support it!
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The pessimist in me says that your messages ought to include very, very large donations, or else they won't be persuaded
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Skullmaggot 5/16/2023 2:25 AM
Hi, trying to arrange a meeting this week to go over planning for the next few months as well as choosing a project focus. I want to try to see if we can converge on a single topic for a month to help build coordination. We've so far been able to spread out when growing but now people are just waiting for others to become excited with their personal projects to come help them out. We might be expecting too much specialization whereas we can start creating a generalized core of people and involvement that can focus on one thing at a time. If you think this is a good idea, please consider this meeting and share your availability on https://www.when2meet.com/?20087090-1qVwr. I'll probably schedule a meeting no later than Sunday 5/21, but I want to see if there's a sooner date we can have a discussion.
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I'm happy to announce that I'm making progress on something that I will hopefully be able to distribute to everyone for you to use locally. I'm creating a document that is a lookbook of agitators and antagonists, and working on a standard operating procedure for the documentation that can be modified for local needs. I'll post an example in a second. The idea here is to create something that a few people contribute to and control, and then distribute to local organizers and activists not only as a way to raise awareness, but also to act as an outreach and networking tool.
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In draft form right now. Each page will have two individuals on it, with some identifying information, and the most recent thing or things that they have done and actions they have taken. The QR code links to a document with specific information on the individual, and can also have additional photos, and links to other evidence of their behavior, including digital footprints.
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Currently, I have multiple people who I have made contact with over the years, and who are members of multiple activist groups who are pooling resources by finding photos, videos, and social media accounts of the people who we are looking for, and their connections.
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So here is what you can do right now: If you have made connections, see if there are any people who are local in your area who have been repeat offenders at protests or other actions, or antagonized people at places like School board meetings or LGBTQIA events. Start gathering the data and keeping it in a easily accessible location. Right now, I'm just using a anonymized Gmail account and a Google drive to house everything until the need for something beefier arises.
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Organize your data, preferably by person, and maybe have another folder system for general event information. Once you gather all of your data on an individual in a single place, it becomes much easier to sort through it and find the important bits to put on the main lookbook sheet for the individual. Then start putting detailed information into a document so that you can link it in the QR code.
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I'm doing all of this using Gmail and Canva, and it's working pretty well so far. I'm only sharing the actual links with people who need to upload data, or help edit the actual document, which is less than a handful of people.
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Sorry for the text wall, but I posted it here because I feel like this particular project dips into several areas: Research, Graphic Design, Outreach/Networking
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So here is what you can do right now: If you have made connections, see if there are any people who are local in your area who have been repeat offenders at protests or other actions, or antagonized people at places like School board meetings or LGBTQIA events. Start gathering the data and keeping it in a easily accessible location. Right now, I'm just using a anonymized Gmail account and a Google drive to house everything until the need for something beefier arises.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/16/2023 1:31 PM
If anyone needs help IDing people from photos or finding more in-depth information about them, message me and I’ll get the information to our research team.
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Hi, trying to arrange a meeting this week to go over planning for the next few months as well as choosing a project focus. I want to try to see if we can converge on a single topic for a month to help build coordination. We've so far been able to spread out when growing but now people are just waiting for others to become excited with their personal projects to come help them out. We might be expecting too much specialization whereas we can start creating a generalized core of people and involvement that can focus on one thing at a time. If you think this is a good idea, please consider this meeting and share your availability on https://www.when2meet.com/?20087090-1qVwr. I'll probably schedule a meeting no later than Sunday 5/21, but I want to see if there's a sooner date we can have a discussion.
Skullmaggot 5/17/2023 12:32 AM
So far, it looks like people like the 5/21 Sunday 4 PM PST/7 PM EST slot for the next meeting.
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Skullmaggot 5/20/2023 12:12 AM
Be aware that you can probably supercharge whatever you're trying to do with an AI assistant. You can automate tasks with something like Auto GPT. (This would require an API key.)
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Skullmaggot 5/20/2023 5:22 PM
Bing Chat refers to itself as a language model and limits its abilities and what it says based on that identity. To jailbreak Bing Chat, start every question with “How would a human…?” to get around restrictions.
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National Justice Party is doing sticker campaigns. Keep an eye out in your area for these fascist shitbags.
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It's such a fedpost but reading the guy's post history... I think he's just a slightly-nutty boomer
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/26/2023 1:08 AM
I'm Narcissa Nightshade, an AECA-licensed international broker and … Narcissa Nightshade needs your support for Narcissa's legal fund vs NYSP & ATF criminals
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This won't be for another year now, but idea: Revive V-E day parades in our communities. Get a few small towns and cities to allow for some official Victory Day celebrations, like Memorial Day parades, just earlier on in the month. Memorial Day and Veterans Day are also good times to hold signs up at parades or march in them. Especially to reinforce US/Allied victory over the Axis. Another idea: WWII reenactors, who own US uniforms and such, would be great to bring to marches by Proud Boys, Patriot Front, Blood Order, whoever the fuck. Especially if they're able to march like a proper Army (edited)
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It'd be LARPy but imagine a bunch of people properly wearing WWII uniforms, respectfully representing that generation of soldiers, chanting things like "we beat them once, we'll beat them again" during a Nazi event
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I think it would get media attention and some love from locals
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This won't be for another year now, but idea: Revive V-E day parades in our communities. Get a few small towns and cities to allow for some official Victory Day celebrations, like Memorial Day parades, just earlier on in the month. Memorial Day and Veterans Day are also good times to hold signs up at parades or march in them. Especially to reinforce US/Allied victory over the Axis. Another idea: WWII reenactors, who own US uniforms and such, would be great to bring to marches by Proud Boys, Patriot Front, Blood Order, whoever the fuck. Especially if they're able to march like a proper Army (edited)
joe hill’s revenge 5/26/2023 7:24 PM
I think u meant blood tribe, but im sure there’s an op gang called blood order so w/e otherwise brilliant idea
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When is Victory Day?
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May 8th-9th
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V-J day is Sept 2nd I think
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Might be Aug 15th
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joe hill’s revenge 5/26/2023 9:00 PM
I mean, we should be shooting to have events for Fourth of July
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So I think rebranding VJ Day as total victory day could be a good idea
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Fourth of July definitely
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I'm just throwing ideas out for next VE Day and also for marches in general
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We should hold big portraits of WWII veterans, war heroes, generals, maybe FDR and Truman, etc at Nazi rallies. Some could even use photos of their relatives (although you should not tell anyone this) mixed in with the many photos of random people. We could have dozens of people with large portraits surround the neo-Nazi groups
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I think people would love it
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people in general
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6L3THAL#0663 5/29/2023 2:00 AM
If we have anyone in Arkansas
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Also if anyone outside of Arkansas wants to fuck with these Nazi pricks over the phone, go ahead
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Just saw @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy posted this in chaos monkeys too
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Oh boy.
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Alright so I got busy for a few weeks.
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And missed a lot apparently
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Holy shit
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They didn't spell it "Kongress" :(
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Or Klongress* is their code word for it
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Some locals and I finally finished to the initial release of this document. It is a quick reference guide to some of the chud antagonists in our area that keep showing up. If you are looking for something "to do now", You can copy this formatting and design one for your local area. The second page is the general layout used. This sort of thing is the less exciting work, but can be incredibly useful, especially for activists who are planning events and it may not be aware of local threats and agitators. https://www.canva.com/design/DAFklVbSS98/V5sWA24UvmVVLjzktX6_hA/view?utm_content=DAFklVbSS98&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=homepage_design_menu
Check out this design designed by American Resistance.
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It is also just an initial release. There are more names in people we are looking to identify and create pages for. We just wanted to get something out as soon as possible so that some of the major offenders could be identified readily by people during pride month.
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joe hill’s revenge 6/1/2023 3:38 PM
@NGNMGoon
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Hey, some guys with the zine and I were discussing the potential of running "ideological testimonies". The idea would be to showcase our big-tent nature while also allowing members to explain their own ideologies. Basically what it would look like is that interested members would submit an article explaining their ideology, why they believe in it, and how it connects to AIF/how they view AIF as an organization for positive change. If you'd like to make a submission dm me or @joe hill’s revenge and we'll talk more
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joe hill’s revenge 6/1/2023 3:41 PM
Check what eight man posted
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On it.
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Skullmaggot 6/3/2023 1:23 AM
We need a conversation on either one or two secure online (vetted) spaces where people can concentrate. Having multiple spaces has been a bit dilute. Over the week, I'd want to collect already existent info on fascists and select a focus. (edited)
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Oy, we got leaks on Proud Boys planning fuckery for Pride/Juneteenth
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if your going to pride, see if they have security.
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Has anyone who is actually LGBT+ and actually against real pedophilia started a "Gays Against Groomers" style account?
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I think it would be a good idea
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Especially exposing right-wing grooming and sex crimes
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perhaps also exposing ones by LGBT people while showing off how the rest of the LGBT community hates these predators, so there is no hypocrisy or accusations of such
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tbh not that I'm aware of
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technically, I argue a certain subreddit of Pastors committing pedo shit might have been a thing to backlash against the "Gays against groomers" because those that do exist are smear campaigns against trans folk
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if you see a gays against groomers and they're shit talking trans folk, its a right wing fash fuck
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perhaps also exposing ones by LGBT people while showing off how the rest of the LGBT community hates these predators, so there is no hypocrisy or accusations of such
I feel like that would be hard to get a real following with because most people would place you in the same category as the original “gays against groomers” and you’d get the wrong followers and scare off the right ones. Unless you made it explicitly anti-church
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Yup
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Make that shit anti-church
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Or at least Nat C churches are heretics
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vitaminWee 6/4/2023 6:35 PM
They’ll claim misinformation that ‘the gop republican right ended slavery’. The christian abolitionist “radical republican” was left. An integration, feminism, & abolition reform movement. It’s apparent centrists, Lincoln, Johnson, and Democrat slave power liberals were pissed off about them as well as everyone to the right of them. Grant embraced them. His presidency is most of their door into power until centrist congressmen overwhelm them and ends their reconstruction program that the conservative rightwing hated back in those days. The rightwing nationalist then was none the happier about the influence of radical republicans. No fucking way they can have that in a world where we actually like reading true history. I know proudboys hate intelligent truthful story telling… they are rightwing nationalists. Go on to hell ///
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I recommend sending them there yourself if they get ideas
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Drive em out first (edited)
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They’ll claim misinformation that ‘the gop republican right ended slavery’. The christian abolitionist “radical republican” was left. An integration, feminism, & abolition reform movement. It’s apparent centrists, Lincoln, Johnson, and Democrat slave power liberals were pissed off about them as well as everyone to the right of them. Grant embraced them. His presidency is most of their door into power until centrist congressmen overwhelm them and ends their reconstruction program that the conservative rightwing hated back in those days. The rightwing nationalist then was none the happier about the influence of radical republicans. No fucking way they can have that in a world where we actually like reading true history. I know proudboys hate intelligent truthful story telling… they are rightwing nationalists. Go on to hell ///
AvoidOblivion 6/4/2023 9:42 PM
Don’t forget that they say they’re the party of Lincoln but wave Confederate flags. I’ve seen users in r/Conservative on Reddit actually say that Democrats are trying to rewrite history and using the term “Ministry of Truth,” all because they can’t admit that there was a party switch.
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Don’t forget that they say they’re the party of Lincoln but wave Confederate flags. I’ve seen users in r/Conservative on Reddit actually say that Democrats are trying to rewrite history and using the term “Ministry of Truth,” all because they can’t admit that there was a party switch.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/4/2023 10:38 PM
cough Southern Strategy cough
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DevilTheAutopoet 6/6/2023 12:51 PM
I'm interested in starting a branch here in the Madison area. Any advice on how to get started?
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hey wondering if theres any channel or anything that would help me keep track of the bastards in the great white north i know of the iron front canada insta but thats about all i could find just wanna work on keeping that shit outta my country yenno?
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Some locals and I finally finished to the initial release of this document. It is a quick reference guide to some of the chud antagonists in our area that keep showing up. If you are looking for something "to do now", You can copy this formatting and design one for your local area. The second page is the general layout used. This sort of thing is the less exciting work, but can be incredibly useful, especially for activists who are planning events and it may not be aware of local threats and agitators. https://www.canva.com/design/DAFklVbSS98/V5sWA24UvmVVLjzktX6_hA/view?utm_content=DAFklVbSS98&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=homepage_design_menu
I'd seen random pages from it before when it was posted. I love this format. So it's great to have like a layout. (edited)
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hey wondering if theres any channel or anything that would help me keep track of the bastards in the great white north i know of the iron front canada insta but thats about all i could find just wanna work on keeping that shit outta my country yenno?
blackflageoph 6/16/2023 3:00 AM
I'm with ya. Just got here and still figuring it out. But we'll sort out bit by bit.
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I'd seen random pages from it before when it was posted. I love this format. So it's great to have like a layout. (edited)
Feel free to steal it in it's entirety and make it relevant to your area.
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Don’t forget that they say they’re the party of Lincoln but wave Confederate flags. I’ve seen users in r/Conservative on Reddit actually say that Democrats are trying to rewrite history and using the term “Ministry of Truth,” all because they can’t admit that there was a party switch.
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AvoidOblivion 6/19/2023 8:13 AM
They refuse to admit the party switch ever happened, and that it is a lie spread by the left to make themselves look better. The first time I ever heard the Ministry of Truth mentioned in a serious way, was when r/conservative was “discussing” the party switch.
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I'm with ya. Just got here and still figuring it out. But we'll sort out bit by bit.
What province are you in? I’m in BC
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What province are you in? I’m in BC
blackflageoph 6/22/2023 5:04 PM
BC as well. Also a US expat who used to roll ARA-adjacent decades ago. So just trying to do a northern spin on the old stuff.
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BC as well. Also a US expat who used to roll ARA-adjacent decades ago. So just trying to do a northern spin on the old stuff.
That’s what I’m trying to do here too with some friends, I’ll shoot you a DM
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That’s what I’m trying to do here too with some friends, I’ll shoot you a DM
blackflageoph 6/22/2023 5:12 PM
sweet! I've been pretty sporadic over the years on this app. Juggling a lot. Never really been good about keeping up with anything on discord, so bare with me.
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BC should be an American state
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AvoidOblivion 6/22/2023 7:52 PM
That would be interesting.
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Alberta separatists want to be part of america
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I certainly wouldn’t mind but I do enjoy not going into crippling debt over and injury
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Skullmaggot 6/23/2023 1:31 AM
Can California join Canada? I'm tired of this country.
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Californanada
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As a Californian who has a online friend who unfortunately lives somewhere near Alberta, please don't take the Green Cables area. She likes Healthcare (edited)
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Because Alberta will someone drag her area into it
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Canadian SRA is doing a country wide cleanup day, posting here because some folks may like to do their own thing in solidarity (edited)
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Do you have free library boxes near you? Do you have books on antifascism, mutual aid, or other material you don't mind parting with? Hit em up and leave materials there. It is non-intrusive, and a good way to leave easily accessible information. (edited)
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Books, stickers, flyers, pamphlets, can all be left.
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joe hill’s revenge 6/27/2023 5:45 PM
I love these little libraries
5:45 PM
As a concept they r awesome and that’s a good idea
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I was near one today, and it was almost exclusively filled with Nora Roberts books... And Bill O'Reilly's "Killing Patton". And the reason I didn't throw it out is because there were tons of people around. XD
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Take it out anyway
1:08 PM
Throw the trash out and put some actual fucking books there
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I love the idea, but I think yeeting a pile of cheap romance novels and one shitty conspiracy book and then stuffing it full of lefty literature, considering it's proximity to a playground, might start getting me weird looks. XD
4:15 PM
If I'm ever there alone, Killing Patton gets the can.
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Skullmaggot 7/20/2023 1:29 AM
Would anybody like to sign up for a donation matching program for mutual aid (for things such as making bail and incidental expenses)? It's a way to help out and get things rolling. I hope to get a lot of people for this to create a wide safety net, but we'll see.
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str8 up demon 7/20/2023 3:34 PM
im getting a second job shortly when i do hell yeah
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Skullmaggot 7/31/2023 1:57 AM
Hi, I want to speak to people individually but I've been moving slow. If there's anyone in California, would you like to be connected to American Progressive Alliance (electoral action, unions)?
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finch21009 8/1/2023 5:52 AM
Hi, I am trying to connect with people in Rhode Island. I can't see that chapter (for some reason I can only see BritishColumbia)
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finch21009
Hi, I am trying to connect with people in Rhode Island. I can't see that chapter (for some reason I can only see BritishColumbia)
Hi, try setting your roles under #role-selection It should automatically give you access to the relevant areas.
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finch21009 8/1/2023 5:03 PM
OK let me give it a try
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/1/2023 6:04 PM
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Eightman
I was near one today, and it was almost exclusively filled with Nora Roberts books... And Bill O'Reilly's "Killing Patton". And the reason I didn't throw it out is because there were tons of people around. XD
I don’t know how Nora Roberts books are fucking everywhere, same thing for the one near me. (edited)
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I love the idea, but I think yeeting a pile of cheap romance novels and one shitty conspiracy book and then stuffing it full of lefty literature, considering it's proximity to a playground, might start getting me weird looks. XD
That’s why you gotta be subtle and trade them one at a time over like a month. But like… pick some good left-leaning fiction. Country of Ghosts by Margaret Killjoy is one of my go to’s.
2:31 PM
I don’t think anyone would stuff a mini library full of theory books, but I can’t imagine that being very effective.
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Do you guys consider stop cop city in georgia to be anti-fascism? (edited)
7:30 PM
There's a stop cop city phone bank.
7:36 PM
Join us to phone canvass calling potential volunteers to recruit a mighty team to hit the streets! No experience is necessary + calls can be made from anywhere! It will be helpful if you have both a phone + a computer.
7:37 PM
only 3 more days
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/9/2023 3:13 PM
Sign up today! If we want to defeat the Republican/GOP agenda, we need to start organizing in our communities now. We will be hosting a virtual phone bank to call on our neighbors and friends to get involved. Making calls is an easy way to take action from home. Whether it’s your first time making calls or you’re a veteran phone banker, we ne...
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/10/2023 10:28 PM
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@Skullmaggot hey do you happen to have any California people in Chino or around it right now? (soCal, like between riverside and LA) We’re trying to stop far right groups from messing with the school board there because that area is shifting red (edited)
4:41 PM
But it’s currently purple
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We think it’s outside interference with the area from these far right groups
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/18/2023 5:19 PM
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If ur doing inrl stuff in LA stay safe in hurricane.
6:22 PM
Might be flooded on tues
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We think it’s outside interference with the area from these far right groups
It is. Likewise, there's been a effort to get Newsom's attention to the Chino area. But Chino SB needs the Temecula treatment. Likewise, the OC is a red district turning purple and the GOP in the school board shitting bricks over it and trying anti trans shit and they're getting numbers opposing them (edited)
7:23 PM
Chino is smaller and likely easier to disrupt fash fuck
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If ur doing inrl stuff in LA stay safe in hurricane.
This goes ditto in San Bernardino county and the San Diego area. The flash flood warning there is on high
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
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Admittedly there is a small chance the Hurricane might due the job for us
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Yeah lol if the fash wanna be hurricane denialists just keep safe and u win I guess.
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Provided the weather is saying Tuesday should be mostly sunny so...
7:39 PM
be prepared just in case
7:42 PM
Plus even if they drive there's a chance even LA traffic might do the job for us
7:48 PM
Seriously for Non-Californians, our traffic is a good limitus for how much bullshit one could handle out here.
7:52 PM
This goes double if there's construction or blockage thanks to the rain
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 8/18/2023 7:54 PM
Praise god the hurricane is hitting California 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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To be fair, hurricane still gonna suck. Charge ya shit, gas/fuel/charge your generators and get sandbags if you live in a flood area, check your neighbors often but I am not above the hope of the weather giving fash a had time
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Not sure where this should go but I'm putting it out there
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/29/2023 4:34 AM
Fash event.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/29/2023 5:00 AM
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Not sure where to post but I'll post here, Patriot Front and other groups might be organizing to march or do some bs for Labor Day, be on the lookout online and IRL
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Not sure where to post but I'll post here, Patriot Front and other groups might be organizing to march or do some bs for Labor Day, be on the lookout online and IRL
Dandelion Bodies 9/4/2023 12:34 PM
Any solid examples?
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Dandelion Bodies
Any solid examples?
Patriot Front usually has huge events on national holidays
12:35 PM
last year they marched on Labor Day in Indianapolis
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Dandelion Bodies 9/4/2023 12:36 PM
I meant, is there any concrete info or rumors on planned marches that we know of?
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Dandelion Bodies
I meant, is there any concrete info or rumors on planned marches that we know of?
Just a theory
12:37 PM
A GAME THEORY I'm sorry, bad joke
12:37 PM
Seriously though
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Just be on the lookout
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Dandelion Bodies 9/4/2023 12:38 PM
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Jeanclaudejunior 9/5/2023 2:55 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/09/as-x-bleeds-cash-musk-threatens-anti-defamation-league-with-defamation-lawsuit/amp/ OMG. If Elon Musk were to say that in Germany, Austria, Poland, Romania or Ukraine, he would have been arrested.
Musk claimed that ADL could be "on the hook" for $22B in X losses.
2:56 PM
Tell the Germans, Poles, Austrians and other Schengen area governments to ban Elon Musk from Entering
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I suspect that he's in denial of the Holocaust
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 9/5/2023 4:47 PM
By indiscriminately lumping together scores of arrestees in a fabricated conspiracy case, the prosecution is attempting to criminalize protest itself.
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Tell the Germans, Poles, Austrians and other Schengen area governments to ban Elon Musk from Entering
Germany actually want his ass in court tbh
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Anyone from Maine or a neighboring state, check out #researchers
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Skullmaggot 9/7/2023 1:24 AM
Spinner was laid off and is in need of help for maintaining his RV spot. He has accrued $950 of the needed $1200, so there's $250 left. I'm good with donation matching up to $100, and I believe joe hill's revenge can help. But, if it's possible to split the remaining $250 five ways or more, that may be preferable. Deadline is Sept. 15th. Would anybody like to donation match? Could use three or so more people, the more people the better as it will split the amount more gently. (edited)
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A friend of mine is looking to try to get some people together for a show of support at this event in Kansas City.
11:09 PM
In their words, “If you know someone who can help out by way of being present (i.e. without openly protesting the event but ultimately still interfering with its propagandistic efficacy,) then please pass on this information to them.”
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