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Not exactly sure what direction this corner is intended for but if anyone who is currently unarmed and has questions about arming yourself safely/legally fell free to shoot me a message.
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NordicThor_ 6/30/2022 11:56 PM
It would be good to have people post questions here in the channel as well, that way weโ€™re building an open resource.
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NordicThor_
It would be good to have people post questions here in the channel as well, that way weโ€™re building an open resource.
very true! just wanted to provide an โ€œanonymousโ€ option as well ๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿผ
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egaleagle
very true! just wanted to provide an โ€œanonymousโ€ option as well ๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿผ
NordicThor_ 7/1/2022 12:09 AM
For sure!
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egaleagle
Not exactly sure what direction this corner is intended for but if anyone who is currently unarmed and has questions about arming yourself safely/legally fell free to shoot me a message.
Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 12:46 AM
That's pretty much exactly it.
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egaleagle
Not exactly sure what direction this corner is intended for but if anyone who is currently unarmed and has questions about arming yourself safely/legally fell free to shoot me a message.
shoot you a message ahaah
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egaleagle
Not exactly sure what direction this corner is intended for but if anyone who is currently unarmed and has questions about arming yourself safely/legally fell free to shoot me a message.
Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 2:23 AM
I would also like to echo this statement. I'm both an Army vet and a mental health professional, so if someone in here has questions about firearms and mental health and how they combine, hmu.
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Black Magic 7/1/2022 4:57 AM
I am neither of those things; but for what it's worth I am an avid user and experienced in most aspects of firearm use and maintenance, including some actual combat experience ( yes, as a civilian) and I will happily offer any tips, tricks, and thoughts I have. (edited)
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Dr_Diskette 7/1/2022 5:44 AM
About to be my first handgun
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Black Magic 7/1/2022 5:54 AM
Chosen for concealment?
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Dr_Diskette 7/1/2022 5:56 AM
Yeah
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Plus my partner has no experience with hand guns so I was looking for something they could easily learn on
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Black Magic 7/1/2022 6:01 AM
I would have recommended a Glock 17; but a .380 is fine. You should know that 9mm is only a hair larger than .380 and doesn't have a meaningful kick.
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I don't seen any major complaints about that model either and I assume you looked it up before buying
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There's somethings about fire arms you can receive instruction on; but can't really train. Things like handling misfires, and clearing failures. (edited)
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I do recommend a professional instructor for first time users.
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The one lesson I would want to drill into everyone thinking about firearms is they are EXTREMELY unforgiving. You have to be the straightest, hardest, stick up the ass about safety around guns
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6:05 AM
because you rarely get to say "oops" if you fuck up.
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Dr_Diskette
About to be my first handgun
James bond lookin shooter
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...can I post my airsoft guns and bows on here ๐Ÿ‘‰ ๐Ÿ‘ˆ ๐Ÿฅบ (edited)
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Dr_Diskette 7/1/2022 11:13 AM
What about an mg42
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Farren
...can I post my airsoft guns and bows on here ๐Ÿ‘‰ ๐Ÿ‘ˆ ๐Ÿฅบ (edited)
Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 11:27 AM
I say go for it
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Me stick shoota
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austinwiltshire 7/1/2022 11:32 AM
You know what's wild, some bows can go through Kevlar.
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For the same reason if the vest doesn't say knife/spike resistant, it probably isn't
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Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 11:35 AM
I want to get into archery, but rn I have neither the time nor money ๐Ÿ˜”
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Braakinthesaddle
I want to get into archery, but rn I have neither the time nor money ๐Ÿ˜”
It's fun. I don't have a car anymore so I can't go to the range, but It's a beautiful sport. If you can get a quick pull and good aim, good for self defense
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Farren
It's fun. I don't have a car anymore so I can't go to the range, but It's a beautiful sport. If you can get a quick pull and good aim, good for self defense
Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 11:54 AM
I'm also a bit of a prepper, and like the idea of bow hunting for meat. Despite growing up in Oklahoma, never got a chance to go.
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Farren
...can I post my airsoft guns and bows on here ๐Ÿ‘‰ ๐Ÿ‘ˆ ๐Ÿฅบ (edited)
I feel airsoft guns arenโ€™t very useful/relevant but as a fellow archer I think especially in SHTF situation, bows (and crossbows to some extent) can be even more valuable than firearms where ammo shortage/stealth is an issue
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egaleagle
I feel airsoft guns arenโ€™t very useful/relevant but as a fellow archer I think especially in SHTF situation, bows (and crossbows to some extent) can be even more valuable than firearms where ammo shortage/stealth is an issue
Airsoft is good for play and simulation
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true!
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I've had airsoft wars between fire houses. Can confirm fun.
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birb
I've had airsoft wars between fire houses. Can confirm fun.
Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 12:45 PM
When I was 18-19, couple of my buddies were part of an airsoft league. Their team name iirc was something like L33t Krew, or 733t Krew.
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Went on a couple outings with them. I was not good lol
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Hey yall, I just wanted to drop a suggestion for magfed paintball markers. They let you shoot these mean-ass less-lethal shaped rounds that you can order from https://grimburg.me/ You can also find a lot of ready to go markers on their site but its going to be a lot cheaper to just buy your own and perform whatever upgrades you think might be needed. I think less-lethal capabilities are pretty important as a couple dudes running these babies can repel a small wave of rioters. Check out this hype video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GP2fESOEB0 (edited)
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Braakinthesaddle
When I was 18-19, couple of my buddies were part of an airsoft league. Their team name iirc was something like L33t Krew, or 733t Krew.
Lol i got into airsoft late in college. Mom never let me get one There's a pretty sizeable adult airsoft community and I see it growing, some of it is milspec try hards, but most of it is people having fun and treating it as a casual sport
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Thoughts on the Chiappa little badger? Don't own one but looking to get some cheap survival rifles and it seems alright
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I would recommend anyone looking to build an inexpensive 5.56/223, look at palmetto state armory. It's cheaper to get the lower and upper and snap em together (to avoid firearm taxes). I put one together for around $400 and have ran around 500 so far with no misfeeds. You can always swap out uppers or upgrade parts.
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Black Magic 7/2/2022 7:34 AM
I recommend against any non-lethal ammo
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The law doesn't care if you shoot someone with a 'real' bullet or a non-lethal bullet.. and If you are pointing a gun at someone it's because you intend to use lethal force. The situation has compelled you to do so..
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7:35 AM
and you should very much not want a different version of events told to a potential jury
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Don't fuck around with anyone. If they forced you to use your weapon; put one in their computer and turn them off.
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Remington 870 shotguns run about $350 at Wally World. Great for hunting and with some 00 buckshot ought to be good for other things..."say no more, say no more."
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Dr_Diskette 7/2/2022 11:15 AM
Also as a quick reminder we arenโ€™t building an army or Militia, if you truly want a gun make sure you are getting it for the right reasons, taking a life is the last thing I think any of us want to have to do.
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Dr_Diskette
Also as a quick reminder we arenโ€™t building an army or Militia, if you truly want a gun make sure you are getting it for the right reasons, taking a life is the last thing I think any of us want to have to do.
very true, I may be off here but besides home defense tips, I would love to see this sector take off as the niche that wants to help defend peaceful protests as CCW holders. Potentially with uniforms but obviously nothing militaristic in any way, just an identifier so that people will know us, see us, and feel safer knowing that they have armed allies willing to protect them should Fudd come around brandishing ARs and the like. Just my two cents but I could also be totally wrong!
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NordicThor_ 7/2/2022 12:38 PM
Thatโ€™s one of my biggest motivators, other than just the general fuckery thatโ€™s going on politically. I canโ€™t watch people die at the hands of fash and stay quiet anymore
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A heads up, SRA is growing rapidly. Poorly organized for a long time, but getting better as angry masses accrue. If youre looking for an org dedicsted to Firearms education, training, and advice.
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KaiAt516
A heads up, SRA is growing rapidly. Poorly organized for a long time, but getting better as angry masses accrue. If youre looking for an org dedicsted to Firearms education, training, and advice.
Is the SRA still active? I've been wanting to join but was not sure about pulling the trigger (pun intended) on donating to gain access if their platform is in purgatory.
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Dr_Diskette
Also as a quick reminder we arenโ€™t building an army or Militia, if you truly want a gun make sure you are getting it for the right reasons, taking a life is the last thing I think any of us want to have to do.
I want to be very clear about my intentions. I do not want people to be armed to start violence. I do however want people to be armed and well trained in order to oppose fascist aggression and scare tactics. They want to arm themselves to the teeth and post it all over Facebook to look mean and scary. I want us to be armed and ready in silence but will not hesitate to counter any aggressive actions from these extremist groups. We're dealing with folks that obviously don't want honest discourse. They only speak violence and sometimes you may have to have the harder punch to get the point across.
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birb
Is the SRA still active? I've been wanting to join but was not sure about pulling the trigger (pun intended) on donating to gain access if their platform is in purgatory.
Its becoming re-activated I would say. They have a good overall structure but some of the chspter leadership is messy, new or inherit8ng an old mess
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KaiAt516
Its becoming re-activated I would say. They have a good overall structure but some of the chspter leadership is messy, new or inherit8ng an old mess
I may donate the $35 anyways since it goes to a good cause.
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We are trying to re-form an old chapter in Central FL again now
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Yeah thats what i figured too. I paid bc it was the only way i could find out if they were really A Thing yet. (edited)
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I'm also in the thick of deep east Texas and finding others like minded is almost impossible.
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I just wanna go to the range with someone cool ๐Ÿ˜ญ
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birb
I just wanna go to the range with someone cool ๐Ÿ˜ญ
man I have the opposite problem ๐Ÿ˜‚ plenty of like minded folks but Iโ€™m a โ€œgun nutโ€ if I want to go improve my target scores
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egaleagle
man I have the opposite problem ๐Ÿ˜‚ plenty of like minded folks but Iโ€™m a โ€œgun nutโ€ if I want to go improve my target scores
Braakinthesaddle 7/2/2022 3:45 PM
Ah the struggle of being a leftist and still recognizing the importance of the 2A
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Lmao. At least I blend in at the range and possibly could collect Intel ๐Ÿง
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Braakinthesaddle 7/2/2022 4:48 PM
Same, I'm a large, bearded white guy who drives a full size pickup, so if I need to I can blend in with chuds really well
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Braakinthesaddle
Same, I'm a large, bearded white guy who drives a full size pickup, so if I need to I can blend in with chuds really well
My husband is a scrappy mustachioed redneck-lookin mofo, we also have an f150 which helps blend lol
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Pretty sure most ppl think I'm his lesbian sister or smtg, we look v weird together hahah
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Doctor Eval 7/2/2022 8:51 PM
I grey man everywhere
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Black Magic 7/3/2022 3:56 AM
I encourage some militant organizing; but I am against any militia forming ( we aren't there yet) I would like organizations to practice defense, defending crowds and possibly evacuation operations and other such things that require organization but which aren't combat related.
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For firearms it is important that everyone be capable and willing to defend themselves and others who need it.
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Taking a life in indeed not fun or desirable... But when you need to do it; you NEED to do it. Hesitation in the face of life threatening force can and will get you killed.
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The act of pointing your weapon at another human should be the moment you decide to kill. Pulling the trigger is just a formality. If you think in those terms you may avoid hesitation at the worst moment.
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KaiAt516
We are trying to re-form an old chapter in Central FL again now
I found this: https://twitter.com/central_fl_sra Are they no longer active? I'm interested in joining all the same.
Official account for the Orlando chapter of the Socialist Rifle Association. DM's are open.
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Casey
I found this: https://twitter.com/central_fl_sra Are they no longer active? I'm interested in joining all the same.
Used to be an orange county one too. Now it's just NEFL and SFL. They're restating Tampa Bay now I think? But no one has reached out to me yet. Honestly NE does a lot of their range days in ocala and Osceola so it isn't too bad for us in the middle anyway.
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Black Magic
I encourage some militant organizing; but I am against any militia forming ( we aren't there yet) I would like organizations to practice defense, defending crowds and possibly evacuation operations and other such things that require organization but which aren't combat related.
austinwiltshire 7/3/2022 12:16 PM
There is only one legally recognized militia in the US, that being the, well, militia of the united states https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246#:~:text=The%20militia%20of%20the%20United,United%20States%20who%20are%20members It's broken into organized and unorganized branches, the organized being the National Guard of the United States private militias are illegal in nearly all states, that being said, most of them don't enforce that law (which is why you see 3%'ers) but that doesn't mean it's kosher to form one or ever call yourself one. Technically, you're already in one (I believe Heller vs DC expanded the militia to be all people between 17 and 45, not restricted to gender)
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i am not a lawyer, but there's probably no 'step' to forming a militia is all I'm saying
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Manufacturer: JTS GroupProduct Line: X12PTAction: Pump ActionCaliber: 12 GaugeChamber: 3"Capacity: 4+1Barrel Length: 18.56"Overall Length: 38.2"Finish: Black
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$129 if you are feeling cheap
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Doctor Eval 7/3/2022 5:27 PM
Just make sure if you're going to form a militia that you're well regulated
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No. I don't wanna
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That's some great pricing, I've been looking for one as well ngl
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I just got the AK12 to try out. It has some great reviews by folks on youtube.
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JTS M12AK 12 GA 18" Semi-Auto Shotgun, Black - M12AK Gauge: 12 GA Action: Semi-Auto Chamber: 3" Sights: Modified Adjustable AK Sights Receiver Finish: Black Stock Material: Polymer Stock Finish: Matte Black Barrel Length: 18.7" Overall Length: 39.37" Magazine: (2) 5 Round
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birb
I just got the AK12 to try out. It has some great reviews by folks on youtube.
What I really want is an AK103
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Caliber: 7.62x39mmModel: AK-103Barrel Length: 16"Thread Pitch: M24x1.5RHBarrel Twist Rate: 1:10"Barrel Material: Gas Nitride 4150 steel treated barrelBarrel Finish: NitrideChrome Lined Barrel: NoFront Trunnion: Hammer Forged 4340 AQBolt: Hammer ForgedCarrier: Hammer ForgedHandguard Type: PSA Classic Polymer AK-47 Handguard, BlackGrip: PSA Classi...
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My FFL actually has this one and loves it
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$700
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I may covert that polymer furniture for wood or metal though ngl
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Snaggy
I may covert that polymer furniture for wood or metal though ngl
If that's what you want, you can just buy the receiver for cheaper
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birb
If that's what you want, you can just buy the receiver for cheaper
How cheap would it be to just make your own AK103 ghost one?
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Snaggy
How cheap would it be to just make your own AK103 ghost one?
3d printed receiver?
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birb
3d printed receiver?
Shoot, I can but I don't like plastic, I meant like buy an 80% lower of it that was stamped but not fully assembled
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Oh I see. It's kinda different with an AK since the serial is on the actual receiver which also houses the barrel and trigger assembly. AR's are different since some idiot decided the serial belongs on the trigger group housing instead of the actual barrel/bolt housing.
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I can 3D print a lower and build the entire rifle for around $300 An AK still would cost around $600 in parts. The dust cover alone is $100. (edited)
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Gas Nitride 4150 steel treated barrelStamped steel receiver4340AQ Hammer Forged Front TrunnionHammer Forged BoltHammer Forged CarrierSide Scope Mount7.62x39 Caliber1 in 9.5" TwistStd. 800-yard rear sight leafModular rear trunnion (tang included)
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$549
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Doctor Eval 7/3/2022 11:54 PM
My daily carry. 1911 is canonically the correct tool for capping Nazis. (edited)
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Black Magic 7/4/2022 1:32 AM
I recommend against AK-weapons
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they aren't really cheap, the ammo is kina pricey compared to .223 and there just aren't any real advantages.
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birb
I can 3D print a lower and build the entire rifle for around $300 An AK still would cost around $600 in parts. The dust cover alone is $100. (edited)
Do you have the file? I have a 3d printer as well, it'd be dope to have, DM me it if anything because idk if that's against TOS
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Black Magic
they aren't really cheap, the ammo is kina pricey compared to .223 and there just aren't any real advantages.
It always depends on the firearm person
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It's actually a valid statement
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You can build an AR with a 556 upper that will fire both 223 and 556. Everything is modular and widely available. It is also being retired from the US military so surplus will hit the market and drop prices very soon.
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Snaggy
Do you have the file? I have a 3d printer as well, it'd be dope to have, DM me it if anything because idk if that's against TOS
I will when I get back home
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Wondering if anyone reloads their own rounds here
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Black Magic 7/4/2022 5:04 AM
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birb
I will when I get back home
Lmk!
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Anyone have any good and affordable AR pistol 9mm suggestions?
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You looking for a full build or just an upper?
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Something like this?
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Freedom Ordnance FX-9 4" 9mm AR-style pistol uses Glock style magazines. The pistol has an enhanced extractor and bolt package. Features a Billet receiver 1" shorter than standard AR-15, 3.5" Freedom M-Lok free-float handguard, handstop (designed for the FX9P4), last round bolt hold open, AR-15 style oversize Recurve charging handle and anti wal...
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Or a longer barrel?
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It might also be cheaper to get the lower and upper separate and just clip them together. You avoid firearm taxes this way. I'll grab some, gimme sec
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Barrel Length: 8"Barrel Profile: HeavyBarrel Steel: Chrome Moly Vanadium Barrel Finish: Nitride Chrome Lining: NoMuzzle Thread: 1/2-28Chamber: 9mm (9x19)Twist Rate: 1 in 10"Barrel Extension: 9mmMuzzle Device: A2 Style Flash HiderReceiver Material: Billet 7075 T6Receiver Type: Slick Side Handguard Type: PSA 7" Lightweight  M-Lok RailBolt Included...
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$320 for the upper and you can get a lower for about $120
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You need to remove the telescoping stock to keep it legal though
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Pistols can't have stocks for some dumb reason
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I may actually be wrong though
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ATF keeps changing shit
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Fucking amazing thanks @birb
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PMA is also a solid manufacture. They sell directly from factory which cuts costs. I have two ARs from them and they are solid.
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Which two?
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Dissss one
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16" Barrel length M4 Profile Barrel Chrome Moly Vanadium Barrel; Phosphate 5.56 Nato Chamber 1 in 8" twist rate F-Marked Front sight post A2 Flash Hider Sling Loop Standard Hand Guards w/ heat shields Forged upper receiver Bolt Carrier Group Carpenter 158 Bolt Charging Handle
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And this one
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PSA 16" MID-LENGTH 5.56 NATO 1:7 NITRIDE 13.5" LIGHTWEIGHT M-LOK UPPER WITH NICKEL BORON BCG & CHBarrel Length: 16"Gas System: Mid-LengthBarrel Profile: A2 StyleBarrel Steel: 4150VBarrel Finish: Nitride BlackChrome Lining: NoneMuzzle Thread: 1/2-28Chamber: 5.56 NATOTwist Rate: 1:7Barrel Extension: M4Diameter at Gas Block: .750Gas Block Type: Low...
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I wanted one to have the M4 look tbo lol
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Ever considered getting into r/fosscad?
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Be weary their community is full of fascist sympathizers
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I am lol
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I need a new printer, mine is old as hell
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I have printed one lower but got lazy and didn't get the internals for it.
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My printer also needs a new hot end
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Dr_Diskette 7/4/2022 7:05 PM
I am more of a fan of the old wood stocks Tbh, sks is my baby
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Casey
I need a new printer, mine is old as hell
Dr_Diskette 7/4/2022 7:07 PM
What kind do you have
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I have two ender 3s
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A garbage ANET A8, which is a cheap Prusa 3 knock off
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I added a bed leveler, but that barely helped
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Ender 3 w/ocoto print
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Win
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Does octo also act as a slicer?
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Nope, but you can add all sorts add-ons including spaghetti detective that uses ai to monitor your prints and let's you control and view your printer remotely
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I use cura
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birb
I use cura
Champin
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Right is the 3d printer lower with a receiver attached
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Dr_Diskette
I am more of a fan of the old wood stocks Tbh, sks is my baby
I love SKS
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Casey
Ever considered getting into r/fosscad?
This might get you motivated
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BLEM PSA 16" M4 CARBINE LENGTH 5.56 NATO 1:7 NITRIDE FREEDOM RIFLE KIT - 507617B 16" Barrel lengthM4 Profile BarrelChrome Moly barrel5.56 Nato Chamber1 in 7" twist rateF-Marked Front sight postA2 Flash HiderSling LoopStandard Hand Guards w/ heat shieldsForged upper receiverT-MarksBolt Carrier GroupCharging Handle PSA Freedom Lower build kit   ...
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It's everything you need if you 3d print the reciever
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$350
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Clean layers
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Casey
Clean layers
Sorta. It was a trial run to test durability, but it's strong af
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birb
Sorta. It was a trial run to test durability, but it's strong af
What filament did you use? (edited)
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I might end up going to PETG
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It's just a pain in the ass to clean up
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The only downside about PLA is don't leave it in the sun :(
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Dr_Diskette 7/4/2022 7:28 PM
I hate petg
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What about ABS?
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Dr_Diskette 7/4/2022 7:28 PM
Iโ€™ve never had luck with it
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Abs is good but you need to do it in an inclosure
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Dr_Diskette
Iโ€™ve never had luck with it
PETG is just as good as ABS without the cancer
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Dr_Diskette
I hate petg
I don't think I have ever met anyone who has. I did make some brackets with it and they are still holding up today
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Gotta print super slow and slow down your retraction to reduce stringing.
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Dr_Diskette 7/4/2022 7:30 PM
The main issue i ran into is it absolutely annlilated by nozzles
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My nozzle PTSD is triggered
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birb
My printer also needs a new hot end
Microswiss is great
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Just wanted to post my First Strike T-15 that I setup with an onboard tank so it's garb and go. It's a magfed paintball marker which can shoot mean-ass finned rounds like the Grimberg HP68. I have a real rifle and sidearm, but wanted a less lethal option for situations that don't warrent lethal defense. Also got a FSC handgun as well and a battle belt and chest rig holding mags for both. (edited)
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It's less-lethal -- not non-lethal -- Mags hold 20 rounds, and if you mag dump on someone's face they probably won't live. (edited)
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There are more powerful options than the T-15 if you do the research and look into upgrades... This could be important for people who are not legally eligible to buy a real gun.
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this is sexy
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also, pepper balls suck
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as in getting shot by them
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Yep, it can shoot pepperballs (if they are legal in your state), but mine it's loaded with HP68 because SMASH SMASH SMASH If you think its sexy, check out Grimberg's hype vid for magfed markers.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GP2fESOEB0 (edited)
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Here's the Grimberg page for launchers. This is just for ideas unless you're Daddy Warbucks. You can buy everything and upgrade it yourself it for far cheaper. I just wanted to put the idea out there and link to resources. https://grimburg.me/product-category/launchers/ (edited)
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I think it is a fantastic idea for anyone who legally can't own a firearm
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I have a buddy in the UK that uses high powered airsoft
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I would be fucking scared to get hit by one of those
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Both my T-15 and FSC scare the shit out of me. I have not shot myself and really don't want to... But I'm not done yet! I still have to talk about: M A G - F E D C R O S B O W S
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WTF
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Ever seen the slingshot channel on YouTube with Jörg Sprave?
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He's been making god-tier slingshot and sling-shot adjacent YouTube videos for over a decade.
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Anyhow, a couple years ago he was like, "why don't magazine fed crossbows actually exit?"
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And then BOOM, he partnered with a crossbow company and fucking figured out how to make them.
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gotta pic or link?
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He just released the 2nd generation, the Cobra R-Series Siege Crossbow (edited)
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8 bolts, one after another, each charged with a quick action leaver.
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is it semi auto?
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No, more like a lever action rifle. Shoot, cock. Shoot, cock.
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You can find it here for $749 USD https://gogun.co/
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still really neat
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You can put a red dot on it and get a shot off every 3 seconds if you're motivated (edited)
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 2:13 AM
Fuck non-lethal rounds.
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"Less-lethal"
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 10:10 AM
Fuck less lethal rounds, too. If my gun comes out of its holster it's because someone's going to die.
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If any of you are on a budget for personal defense, The Hi-point C9 is a simple, solid, reliable 9mm for easily less than $200.
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There is a dude on YouTube that did a good video about hi-point.
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It's a decent budget gun but it's big and clunky
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For the price tho... It will get the job done
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:16 PM
Are they reliable? Iโ€™ve never shot one or anything. When I worked at a gun shop the old crotchety bastards always shit talked them, saying youโ€™d be better to throw the gun at them lol. But Iโ€™m curious since theyโ€™re (more or less) accessible for average people (edited)
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I think my issue with them is the need for a tool to remove the slide for cleaning
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I think my issue with them is the need for a tool to remove the slide for cleaning
NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:18 PM
Eww lol
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I don't listen to folks at some gun shops. They are like folks that trash on Japanese cars because murican made.
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I own a Glock and a Taurus
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And honestly, I love my Taurus 9 over my Glock 40
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It's been reliable. Easy to clean. Has good features for safety. Can pull the slide off in under 2 seconds.
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But there are some cheapy ones just to be careful about. Just make sure to run a bunch of ammo through it when you first get it. Some need to be broken in and some are picky about casing type or grain.
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This is one of my favorite gun YouTubers. Dude just spits facts and let's you know when it's opinion.
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He also does not ramble about politics or other bullshit
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Just straight forward guns and self defense
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:26 PM
Iโ€™ll check him out!
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Iโ€™m going to my local gun show this weekend. I own a rifle. I want a handgun. What should I get for my first? Opinions?
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Depends on your use.
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Concealed? Home use?
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And your budget
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And your states laws
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Iโ€™m going to my local gun show this weekend. I own a rifle. I want a handgun. What should I get for my first? Opinions?
donโ€™t be me and get talked into a snub nose .357 as your first hand gun. Highly concealable, impossible to hit anything further than 5yds without a ton of practice. Also only holds 5-6 rds. Thereโ€™s a reason they call them belly busters. Get some thing mag fed with recoil you can handle with as many rounds as your state will allow.
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Concealed? Home use?
Concealed.
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And your budget
$300 or under
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Taurus G2C 9mm
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Designed with a 3.2-inch barrel, the Taurus G2C 9mm Pistol boasts a polymer grip and offers a 12-round capacity. This handgun also comes with a steel ramp fr...
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Super easy to clean.
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Use the money saved to purchase a holster and mag
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Super easy to clean.
Nice. They are selling 500 rounds of 9mm for 140 at the show too.
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:52 PM
Be careful if itโ€™s steel ammo. Iโ€™ve had a lot of people complain about it causing jams. Brass is good
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Itโ€™s โ€œbrass factory reloadโ€
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:52 PM
Oh reloads are iffy
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I stay away from reloads
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:53 PM
Unless you know them really well
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Not something I ant for defence
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I stay away from reloads
Good to know
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Might be okay for range
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:53 PM
Basically, that means that the seller picked up all the spent casings at the range, then made the ammo themselves. Could be way too much powder or not enough
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And probably lots of other problems Iโ€™d imagine
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Also, you don't know how they are reloading. They might make a mistake and add too much powder, which would increase barrel pressure and cause damage
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Basically, that means that the seller picked up all the spent casings at the range, then made the ammo themselves. Could be way too much powder or not enough
Probably a rip off then.
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Iโ€™ll pick some up at sportsman warehouse.
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More expensive but itโ€™s new
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:55 PM
Some people do it well! My father in law for example. But yeah, better to not risk it
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Academy sometimes has good deals on ammunition
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Academy sometimes has good deals on ammunition
Do they ship ammo?
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Marusya
Do they ship ammo?
Yea
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Word
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I buy my 556 ammo from them online
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Big ol brick
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Big ol brick
Lol
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But you can't do it though their app. Only web
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 1:57 PM
9 is a good caliber though! Thatโ€™s what I have. USUALLY itโ€™s pretty damn easy to find. There was a shortage for a little while (typically happens around the general election) but itโ€™s bounced back now
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I see nothing wrong with it
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9 is a good caliber though! Thatโ€™s what I have. USUALLY itโ€™s pretty damn easy to find. There was a shortage for a little while (typically happens around the general election) but itโ€™s bounced back now
There was a shortage during the pandemic in utah.
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9 is a good caliber though! Thatโ€™s what I have. USUALLY itโ€™s pretty damn easy to find. There was a shortage for a little while (typically happens around the general election) but itโ€™s bounced back now
Didnโ€™t last long. Utah mfrs need their ammo.
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Hollow points will drop someone quick
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Hollow points will drop someone quick
My hope is that itโ€™s never required.
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You can also build an AR that uses 9mm
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You can also build an AR that uses 9mm
I have a 3D printer
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And just focus on stocking up on 9mm
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Tried to print the frame for a Glock 17 but the supports were too thick
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I'm honestly scared to print a pistol due to being perfect with the rails
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But I'm also just not motivated
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I'm honestly scared to print a pistol due to being perfect with the rails
Probably valid. Testing is very much a risk.
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Probably valid. Testing is very much a risk.
NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 2:01 PM
Meh, youโ€™ll be fine! /s
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Just use your safety squints
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Just use your safety squints
Iโ€™ll just shoot with my eyes closed. What could go wrong
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Hollow points will drop someone quick
Braakinthesaddle 7/6/2022 3:07 PM
Not necessarily if they're wearing armor
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 3:17 PM
Thatโ€™s something I wasnโ€™t quite sure about. So if youโ€™re bringing a pistol and, bob forbid, you have to use it, what ammo would be best? FMJ for armor/windshields and HP otherwise?
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I mean, I guess a pistol round wonโ€™t do much to armor either way, unless itโ€™s like a 5-7 or something
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Not necessarily if they're wearing armor
Here is the thing about armor... It's only protecting the box of life
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Doesn't protect the neck, the face, the thighs, the feet, the arms
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Thatโ€™s something I wasnโ€™t quite sure about. So if youโ€™re bringing a pistol and, bob forbid, you have to use it, what ammo would be best? FMJ for armor/windshields and HP otherwise?
And armor is not rated for continuous hits.
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Dump enough into a chest plate, it will penetrate eventually.
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Armor is waaaaaay over rated
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My 2¢, get good at the range.
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Dump enough into a chest plate, it will penetrate eventually.
Braakinthesaddle 7/6/2022 3:24 PM
True, but in the heat of the moment, unless you're a competition marksman, pistol shooting is very inaccurate. Range time is good, it's better if you have an actual tactical shoot house set up, but very few ppl actually have access to one.
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True, but in the heat of the moment, unless you're a competition marksman, pistol shooting is very inaccurate. Range time is good, it's better if you have an actual tactical shoot house set up, but very few ppl actually have access to one.
Absolutely valid point.
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But here is the thing about 9mm vs 45mm on armor. 9mm is more capable of penetration since it has a smaller surface area vs velocity
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45 just has a better punch
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But here is the thing about 9mm vs 45mm on armor. 9mm is more capable of penetration since it has a smaller surface area vs velocity
Braakinthesaddle 7/6/2022 3:27 PM
True, I prefer 9mm to .45
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All my pistols are 9
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Now if I was in the woods with bears... 45 all day long.
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Now if I was in the woods with bears... 45 all day long.
Braakinthesaddle 7/6/2022 3:29 PM
Fair point. A better way to avoid getting mauled is to learn signs of bear activity and avoid that area if possible. It also helps to know what behavior is appropriate if you encounter one based on species. But I digress...
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Or just don't go in the woods.
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Or circuses
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Braakinthesaddle 7/6/2022 3:30 PM
Ah but the outdoors calls to me lol
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We don't have much of an issue with bears in AZ tho. More likely to find coyotes or cougars, and those mainly hang around Scottsdale. Hey-O!
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Lololol
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birb
And armor is not rated for continuous hits.
bonus is that a lot of these roleplaytriots are probably wearing cheap steel plates that will spall the FUCK outta their face/neck/limbs
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bonus is that a lot of these roleplaytriots are probably wearing cheap steel plates that will spall the FUCK outta their face/neck/limbs
lmfao
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Black Magic 7/6/2022 6:20 PM
The KELTEC KSG is my Close quarter weapon of choice. https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/shotguns/ksg/
Looking for the best tactical pump-action shotgun? The KSG has dual tubes for fast reloading, downward ejection, and a max 12+12 Capacity.
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Also, Inexpensive steel armor is not bad, Just make sure you get ceramic coating.
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Taurus G2C 9mm
G3X 9mm fam
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That's hot
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austinwiltshire 7/6/2022 11:29 PM
If you're talking pistol rounds, soft armor can take many many many hits. I would not rely on breaking through. Better to work on walking shots while at the range and just use that as the default engagement style - don't have to think about if there's armor, just walk your shots
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Black Magic 7/7/2022 3:18 AM
If you're up against armor; shoot them in the dick/vag. (edited)
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target is the same width as torso
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and it bleeds.
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If you're up against armor; shoot them in the dick/vag. (edited)
GRAB HIS DICK AND TWIST IT https://youtu.be/1E1VY4KOghI
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Black Magic 7/7/2022 6:50 AM
Hilarious ๐Ÿ˜‚ I am being serious tho
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For sure it makes sense. Get a solid aim for that region with practice.
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Black Magic
If you're up against armor; shoot them in the dick/vag. (edited)
Shots to the thigh are pretty serious. A broken femur or damaged femoral artery is life threatening.
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The KELTEC KSG is my Close quarter weapon of choice. https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/shotguns/ksg/
Can you pack a punch it? /s
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I get into debates too often about the 2nd amendment, and everytime I try to articulate that it's an anachronism, no one listens, but this guy stated it perfectly
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It's hard to debate anyone that aligns with a party that is okay with burning books to preserve an ideology.
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Anna from TYT telling folks to arm up
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When someone as anti-gun as TYT is saying to arm up, you know shit is getting real
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Black Magic 7/7/2022 3:34 PM
Suddenly, they realize that this stuff was put there to protect them from us; as much as us from them
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Braakinthesaddle 7/7/2022 5:15 PM
I'm going to pin this video to the top of the channel.
Braakinthesaddle pinned a message to this channel. 7/7/2022 5:15 PM
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Fantastic. Thank you
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When someone as anti-gun as TYT is saying to arm up, you know shit is getting real
Man I have to finish my AR build asap, I've been procrastinating
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what are you missing?
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what are you missing?
Billet kit, rn it's just the 80%
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Then the rest of the stuff
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It's mil-spec too
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Brand: Magpul Model: PMAG 30Caliber: 5.56x45Platform: AR-15/M4/M16Capacity: 30 NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SA80 & HK416 or similar platforms
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$8.50 a mag with free shipping if you get more than 5
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Dr_Diskette 7/8/2022 8:38 AM
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That shit looks straight out of fallout
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Pretty amazing stuff there
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I wonder if he tested it at all before attempting
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And how he acquired ammunition
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Perhaps home made with match stick heads?
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True, I prefer 9mm to .45
John Paul Jones 7/8/2022 1:14 PM
Cocks Colt Single-Action Army Revolver
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WojtektheBear 7/8/2022 2:10 PM
Listen to this episode from It Could Happen Here on Spotify. Robert sits down with representatives from the Dallas-based Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club to talk about their recent defensive actions to oppose right wing attacks on the local LGBT community. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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I wonder if he tested it at all before attempting
I think it was black powder
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Also, Inexpensive steel armor is not bad, Just make sure you get ceramic coating.
Let's Paint 7/9/2022 7:06 AM
Ceramic coating?
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Seen the video of this. Guy had every right to defend himself. NY DA is a fucking idiot.
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Same dude that refused to bring charges on trump
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Black Magic 7/9/2022 8:07 AM
Disgusting
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Same dude that refused to bring charges on trump
Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 9:09 AM
Jury of his peers will exonerate him
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Any opinions/suggestions on 6.8 rifles?
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NordicThor_ 7/9/2022 5:03 PM
Ammo would be harder to come by in like SHTF, but not terrible at the moment. No idea on ballistics though
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 5:16 PM
I want to build a reloading station
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shoot .223 < $0.25/
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# 1 reason not to open fire on proud boys: .223 is $0.25/round
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# 1 reason not to open fire on proud boys: .223 is $0.25/round
John Paul Jones 7/9/2022 5:30 PM
Instead use spears.
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# 1 reason not to open fire on proud boys: .223 is $0.25/round
I'd pay $500 a round to open fire on PB
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Worth every cent
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Sundays are better left for preparing
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Commie
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We all know that nuts like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers often have many ex-military in them. It's not just being armed. You have to psychologically prepare yourself to fight if need be if you intend to emulate the professionals. The military uses skinner and pavlovian psychology to train themselves to the point that shooting at a man shaped object becomes instinctual, so that the impulse NOT to shoot is overridden by that - without that kind of training only around 2% of the population can actually shoot accurately at another person. A man called Lindybeige has a good video on it. https://youtu.be/zViyZGmBhvs Now, I am NOT telling you to hurt anyone. What I am saying is that we all know that nuts like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers often have many ex-military in them, and people need to know more about what makes them tick. If the worst happens people need to know what they are up against and how to emulate professionals to have a better chance of surviving. Again, I am NOT telling anyone to hurt anybody. Violence of this sort should only be used in SELF-DEFENSE as a LAST RESORT. If in doubt at all, DO NOT FIRE UNLESS FIRED UPON. It's unfortunate I need to talk about this at all, but all it takes is one madman as the recent massacre on July 4 showed.
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We all know that nuts like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers often have many ex-military in them. It's not just being armed. You have to psychologically prepare yourself to fight if need be if you intend to emulate the professionals. The military uses skinner and pavlovian psychology to train themselves to the point that shooting at a man shaped object becomes instinctual, so that the impulse NOT to shoot is overridden by that - without that kind of training only around 2% of the population can actually shoot accurately at another person. A man called Lindybeige has a good video on it. https://youtu.be/zViyZGmBhvs Now, I am NOT telling you to hurt anyone. What I am saying is that we all know that nuts like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers often have many ex-military in them, and people need to know more about what makes them tick. If the worst happens people need to know what they are up against and how to emulate professionals to have a better chance of surviving. Again, I am NOT telling anyone to hurt anybody. Violence of this sort should only be used in SELF-DEFENSE as a LAST RESORT. If in doubt at all, DO NOT FIRE UNLESS FIRED UPON. It's unfortunate I need to talk about this at all, but all it takes is one madman as the recent massacre on July 4 showed.
"DO NOT FIRE UNLESS BEING FIRE UPON" What makes you think I'll let them take the first shot? You seriously want me to give them that advantage? If someone is a threat to my life, I will defend myself with lethal means and be absolutely sure I neutralize the situation. The July 4th shooting was an assault on armless people. Much different than defending yourself against people who are currently searching for any reason to kill you. I won't be a victim again, I guarantee it.
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If you feel that your, or someone else's,life is in danger than your actions would be defensive in nature.
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Deleted User 7/12/2022 10:24 AM
another important aspect of training is learning to work as a team
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for both police and military
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The "Uvalde Grip"
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When your hands won't burn because you don't plan on firing.
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Almost worthy of #traitor-spotting
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First couple of mag out of my new ruger 556 @ 50 yards, also this lizard decided to join me today
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That's the coolest lizard ever
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Chill af
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I wanna go shooting but the range is closed for maintenance and I don't wanna burn down the forest ๐Ÿ˜’
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Shooting range maintenance is a necessary evil. My old range had the baffles fail, and a 9mm round landed in a neighbors siding. Like follow range rules people, common they ain't that hard.
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Also yes the lizard was cool af to see.
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3 more years till I can get my gun license
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I hate the severe gun restrictions in my state
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3 years? what state do you live in, and why is the wait that long?
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Iโ€™m assuming age which can vary state to state
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I hate the severe gun restrictions in my state
No rush man. Iโ€™m familiar with the wait
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Familiarising yourself with imitation weapons and educating yourself in the mean time will help
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There are some pretty wild air rifles out there.
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Lots of folks in the UK use high powered air rifles. (edited)
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That too if you want to scratch a particular kind of shooting itch
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Oh god that's embarrassing I completely forgot about age lol. Air rifles work, or archery.
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3 more years till I can get my gun license
Check out these great deals and selection on .22 Caliber Air Rifles from the leading experts in airguns. Free Shipping Offer too!
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I'm looking for a firearms club or MeetUp group, one that is not full of the usual right-wing types. I'm in the Minneapolis-St Paul area.
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I would suggest the SRA but they took my money and ghosted me.
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Hello! I am with the Human Resources Team. We are looking to find those interested in working with the AIF to do open source intelligence (OSINT). If you are interested, please reply to this message.
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BrutusBrutus 7/19/2022 3:08 AM
The biggest thing Iโ€™m trying to condition myself to is general emergency stress. The average civilian panics and freezes I DO have PTSD, and one of the benefits of how it personally affects me is that I can turn off my emotions when Iโ€™m in danger, but Iโ€™m trying to better condition myself to acting efficiently in emergency situations.
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The biggest thing Iโ€™m trying to condition myself to is general emergency stress. The average civilian panics and freezes I DO have PTSD, and one of the benefits of how it personally affects me is that I can turn off my emotions when Iโ€™m in danger, but Iโ€™m trying to better condition myself to acting efficiently in emergency situations.
This is a very important statement. If you are training with friends, use dummy rounds and practice reloading, swapping mags, or taking position while under stress. Have them yell, make loud noises, throw things at you. If you can train with paintball or airsoft, it helps to have the feeling of potential pain and danger. I also fire off a round with my hearing protection off every now and then. I know it is not healthy but it helps to know how loud it will be so I am not stunning myself.
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Not a day goes by without reports of more tragic incidents of gun violence against children. In 2020, firearms were the leading cause of death in children in the United States. While alarm at increasingly frequent school shootings, suicides, accidents, and other senseless deaths is mounting, the US has not moved forward as a nation to stem this ...
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A political clusterfuck 7/19/2022 10:35 PM
unfortunately we kinda need to arm ourselvees because if the trumpers win, rifles on our walls will be our democracy's last line of defense
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unfortunately we kinda need to arm ourselvees because if the trumpers win, rifles on our walls will be our democracy's last line of defense
Not only this, but I don't think there's ever going to be a point where we can safely disarm as a society, voluntarily or otherwise. Disarmament creates opportunities for fascists & the bourgeois to oppression the defenseless. Advocating for Disarmament is advocating for those you want disarmed to be victimized. Politicians will have armed security & the cops will stay armed too, pay attention to who wants to take your guns & you'll see who's in power & who's a useful idiot. It's better for everyone to be armed & able to defend themselves than for only the criminals & government thugs. (edited)
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Not only this, but I don't think there's ever going to be a point where we can safely disarm as a society, voluntarily or otherwise. Disarmament creates opportunities for fascists & the bourgeois to oppression the defenseless. Advocating for Disarmament is advocating for those you want disarmed to be victimized. Politicians will have armed security & the cops will stay armed too, pay attention to who wants to take your guns & you'll see who's in power & who's a useful idiot. It's better for everyone to be armed & able to defend themselves than for only the criminals & government thugs. (edited)
A political clusterfuck 7/19/2022 11:58 PM
Yes
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Agreed
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Also i fucking love trolling gun rights idiots with the fact that i actually know a lot about guns
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Its really funny when they get pissed off because i did my research
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I personally love making my local fudds seethe at the range
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A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 12:08 AM
Based
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Im 19 so i sadly dont have a gun
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Minute i turn 21(fuck MA gun laws) i am buying myself a handgun and a rifle(likely an M14 semi auto version or whatnot if legal a full auto one, so I can have the REALLY overkill rounds and properly protect my friends from the fascists (edited)
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Also doesnt help that my parents refuse to get a gun despite my valid reasons for it
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Cause they are establishment liberals
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I personally love making my local fudds seethe at the range
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 12:11 AM
Also what model
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BrutusBrutus 7/20/2022 1:33 AM
If nothing else, the right not having confidence in violent confrontations with us might curb at least some violence. Part of the reason the right is so violent is because they think we canโ€™t/wonโ€™t defend ourselves. Hell, why do you think they attack vulnerable targets like churches and drag story hour for kids? We donโ€™t know how many of them are cowards, but itโ€™s more than theyโ€™d like us to know
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A political clusterfuck
Also what model
It's the newer Canik The TP-9 (edited)
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Minute i turn 21(fuck MA gun laws) i am buying myself a handgun and a rifle(likely an M14 semi auto version or whatnot if legal a full auto one, so I can have the REALLY overkill rounds and properly protect my friends from the fascists (edited)
"m14 semi auto version" So pretty much a Mini-14? (edited)
3:11 AM
7.62 is great and all but it costs more than 5.56 and harder to come by in some situations. You can get a mini 14 but it will run you more and the advantages are marginal.
3:14 AM
I don't see what the hype is honestly about the M14. If you're getting it for distance and power, might as well go with a 30.06.
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I just find the AR platform to be much more reliable in my opinion.
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As a .308 fan, I'm in the middle of finding a Tavor-7 to my arsenal. I was really hoping for the mdrx to work out, but I'm not optimistic about it at this point. Anybody here have a compelling reason to get an AR-10 instead?
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unfortunately we kinda need to arm ourselvees because if the trumpers win, rifles on our walls will be our democracy's last line of defense
Oh I'm not disagreeing, just posted a study that proper gun laws and regulations actually help with gun violence. And also the 2nd amendment is misconstrued on purpose and needs to be amended/rewritten, but I digress
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Oh I'm not disagreeing, just posted a study that proper gun laws and regulations actually help with gun violence. And also the 2nd amendment is misconstrued on purpose and needs to be amended/rewritten, but I digress
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 10:53 AM
Yes agreed
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7.62 is great and all but it costs more than 5.56 and harder to come by in some situations. You can get a mini 14 but it will run you more and the advantages are marginal.
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 10:53 AM
Got it
10:53 AM
Can you recommend some totally not overkill rifles then?
10:54 AM
I know how guns work cause i know tons of info on military tech but i dont know civillian models
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Honestly, the AR platform is one of the best and is not really overkill. It's very modular. You can swap uppers, there are inserts that convert it to a .22 in less than 30 seconds. The surplus is huge, especially with the US military moving to a new rifle.
11:02 AM
You can build one for about $400 ready to fire.
11:03 AM
Plus a 5.56 chamber can also fire 223, so your option for ammunition open up some more.
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Honestly, the AR platform is one of the best and is not really overkill. It's very modular. You can swap uppers, there are inserts that convert it to a .22 in less than 30 seconds. The surplus is huge, especially with the US military moving to a new rifle.
Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:10 AM
I second this
11:10 AM
AR-15 is an amazingly effective firearm, really inexpensive comparatively, and definitely not overkill by itself. It's just a rifle.
11:10 AM
The only thing overkill about it is when people go over and kill with it
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Plus a 5.56 chamber can also fire 223, so your option for ammunition open up some more.
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:11 AM
got it
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Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:11 AM
But make no mistake, AR-15 is a weapon of war and was designed to kill humans.
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11:11 AM
It kills a lot of other stuff too though
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AR-15 is an amazingly effective firearm, really inexpensive comparatively, and definitely not overkill by itself. It's just a rifle.
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:11 AM
part of why I want a bigger gun is because then if worst comes to worst I can pierce modern body armor
11:11 AM
but then again
11:12 AM
they likely owuld use swat teams against us if the fascists took over
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But make no mistake, AR-15 is a weapon of war and was designed to kill humans.
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:12 AM
yes
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I mean until like 3 months ago I was EXTREMELY anti gun
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part of why I want a bigger gun is because then if worst comes to worst I can pierce modern body armor
Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:12 AM
Any standard 556 round will pierce soft body armor. Green tip will pierce most hard body armor
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A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:12 AM
even now I prefer a gunless society, but in the current climate it is a necessary evil
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Any standard 556 round will pierce soft body armor. Green tip will pierce most hard body armor
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:12 AM
got it
11:12 AM
thanks for the info
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Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:13 AM
I agree. I would also like to give up my guns in order to live in a gun-free society, but until that happens, I'm armed to the fucking teeth (edited)
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I agree. I would also like to give up my guns in order to live in a gun-free society, but until that happens, I'm armed to the fucking teeth (edited)
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:13 AM
i shall be as well
11:13 AM
my parents dont want to be armed at all
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Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:13 AM
You should pick up a Ruger AR 556 pistol
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A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:13 AM
I suggested it like a week ago and they got mad
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Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:14 AM
Those things are dope as fuck, relatively inexpensive, and really well made
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Those things are dope as fuck, relatively inexpensive, and really well made
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:14 AM
I will look into it. currently I cannot legally buy a gun as in massachussetts i believe you need to be 21 to buy one
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Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:15 AM
Massachusetts residents 15 years and older who wish to possess, carry, and transport firearms, ammunition, and feeding devices are required to have a firearms license. Firearms licenses are issued by municipal police departments.
11:16 AM
thank you
11:16 AM
guess I know what I will be getting for my birthday
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Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:17 AM
If I read this correctly, you are allowed to purchase and possess a semi-automatic pistol, or rifle as long as it does not have a magazine larger than 10 rounds
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If I read this correctly, you are allowed to purchase and possess a semi-automatic pistol, or rifle as long as it does not have a magazine larger than 10 rounds
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:17 AM
thats perfectly fine
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Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:17 AM
Happy birthday
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Happy birthday
A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:17 AM
thanks lol its in about 3 weeks
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I just meant getting myself then
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Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 11:19 AM
Read that document top to bottom.
11:19 AM
Don't just read the TLDR, there's a lot of details in there about specific things that you need to do
11:19 AM
That document is basically a how-to
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A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:29 AM
I just did
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I also bookmarked it
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I am pretty surprised i can legally apply for a gun liscense and own any guns under 21 in MA since we have a VERY liberal population(and lets just say the majority of them are moderates, and moderates dont like guns)
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Amazing what you get when you have actual progression with firearm legislation.
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part of why I want a bigger gun is because then if worst comes to worst I can pierce modern body armor
If that's a real & specific concern, be aware that most modern body armor is rated to take multiple hits from 5.56. The ultra-budget hesco L210 is rated to take 6 hits from 5.56 & isn't even NIJ Level IV rated. NIJ rated Level IV body armor is rated to take at least 1 round of armor piercing .30 caliber ammo. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/nlectc/250144.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwipp9TkiYn5AhUBomoFHfWiCSoQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Nmt_XRXj1JsM0-ER__pWO If that's where you're at, you probably need to shop dedicated anti-personel platforms like the Scar-H, Tavor 7, and AR-10. Which will leave you carrying less ammo for more weight, and still need multiple center mass hits to achieve lethality. And if one person in here says "shoot for the head" they're an idiot. Modern combat doctrine exists for a reason. If you can't train like a proffesional designated marksman, don't plan on surviving as one. If thats something you're still planning on buying & drilling for, I highly recommend Mozambique drills of two center mass shots followed by an attempted headshot before switching targets & starting over. (I actually just recommend them in general, but especially if you're worried about body armor.) (edited)
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A political clusterfuck 7/20/2022 11:58 PM
ah
11:58 PM
then never mind
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then never mind
That's not intended as discouragement, it's more intended as a primer on accomplishing your goal. You can expect to spend a few thousand on a rifle, ammo, and optics to nake that work out.
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That's not intended as discouragement, it's more intended as a primer on accomplishing your goal. You can expect to spend a few thousand on a rifle, ammo, and optics to nake that work out.
A political clusterfuck 7/21/2022 12:02 AM
jesus christ thats a lot
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still it may be worth it
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will decide later though
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Spend more an ammo than the gun
12:09 AM
You donโ€™t need a 5k AR10
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You donโ€™t need a 5k AR10
A political clusterfuck 7/21/2022 12:38 AM
i know thats why I will decide later
12:38 AM
probably just gonna go with the AR-15 instead
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jesus christ thats a lot
It can be, but for some of us it's worth it. If you end up opting away from a .30 caliber rifle, I still suggest you do a research dive on how armor I'd rated & utilized so that you can train towards overcoming it. A big deal with armor ratings is that they're tested with "fair shots & shot distributions" it's not hard to create unfair shots with tactics & training. The things you'll want to focus on being rapid multi-hits at close range, ideally from angles with lower armor coverage, the back of the shoulders being particularly choice targets if you can flank to fire at them in center mass. Additionally, many agencies & individuals opt for Level III or IIIA armor which is lighter, but less likely to survive repeated hits from intermediate rifle calibers. If you're worried about engagements with christo-fascists, there's 50/50 odds that they're wearing heavy level IV steel plates, which suffer from potentially lethal spaulling problems when absorbing shots, wherein bullets will rapidly deform & send razor sharp shrapnel across the surface of the plate, often leading to lethal neck & head injuries for the wearer. PSA: Don't wear steel plates, they're heavier than ceramic & likely to cause your death when you need them. It doesn't matter if you saved $50 per plate if you die.
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A political clusterfuck 7/21/2022 1:26 AM
legs also can be lethal if hit right (edited)
1:26 AM
huge arteries there
1:27 AM
am i correct tha the least lethal place to be shot is the intestines or not
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Ozzy7
Spend more an ammo than the gun
This. A rifle should run you $800-$2k. An optic around should be $300 for any red dot like optic worth owning, and more if you're planning on doing precision work with a reticle. Ammo will run you $1+ a round right now, and you should be burning a few hundred minimum in training initially as well as your fighting load & eternal weekly training supplies.
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am i correct tha the least lethal place to be shot is the intestines or not
Arms & legs are generally least lethal, with upper legs being a minor exception. You should be counting on volume of fire, not shot placement.
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Arms & legs are generally least lethal, with upper legs being a minor exception. You should be counting on volume of fire, not shot placement.
A political clusterfuck 7/21/2022 1:30 AM
ahhh
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got it
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thankfully I am practically immune to carpel tunnel(I click a lot, most of my hobbies are computer based except I actually go out into the world and exercise unlike some people with my interests)
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so that is possible
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The important thing to remember is that up close, you don't have time to aim. Far away you don't have the consistency. And in the middle you're getting shot at too.
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The important thing to remember is that up close, you don't have time to aim. Far away you don't have the consistency. And in the middle you're getting shot at too.
A political clusterfuck 7/21/2022 1:34 AM
yes
1:35 AM
so rate of fire and hitting the target in general comes first
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also I am guessing the level IV heavy steel plates are the shitty stuff that civies or police get?
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hence them having the spall issue?
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Unsure but from what Iโ€™ve read yea. Ceramic is the way to go
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also I am guessing the level IV heavy steel plates are the shitty stuff that civies or police get?
It's a marketing scheme that's supported by YouTube creators providing very dangerous positive reviews for money & sponsorships. Virtually no agency or military uses steel plates or has in modern warfare. If you can't get ceramic, you're better off saving the weight for ammo & mobility like most soldiers did for the last century. Which is why intermediate cartridges are prevalent in modern conflicts, and the US Army just started acquiring new rifles because war with China over Taiwan will mean facing troops with armor, which means we need a more effective cartridge. (edited)
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A political clusterfuck 7/21/2022 3:56 AM
Ah makes sense
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But trumpers are extremely dumb and trust any youtuber in existence
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Like some youtubers (the chieftain for example) actually have good sources and are decently reliable. Most dont and if they do they either cite them for credibility and dont use them, or dont even mention sources
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But trumpers are extremely dumb and trust any youtuber in existence
It's been a roughly 15 year propaganda campaign operated by multiple companies & creators. AR500 steel is cheap to make, which means it's easy to profit on. Throw in general Fudd lore about ceramic being unreliable compared to steel (it's not) & you have a thriving market of gun enthusiasts & preppers buying dangerous trash. (edited)
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It's been a roughly 15 year propaganda campaign operated by multiple companies & creators. AR500 steel is cheap to make, which means it's easy to profit on. Throw in general Fudd lore about ceramic being unreliable compared to steel (it's not) & you have a thriving market of gun enthusiasts & preppers buying dangerous trash. (edited)
A political clusterfuck 7/21/2022 4:01 AM
Makes it easy for us who do our research first
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If that's a real & specific concern, be aware that most modern body armor is rated to take multiple hits from 5.56. The ultra-budget hesco L210 is rated to take 6 hits from 5.56 & isn't even NIJ Level IV rated. NIJ rated Level IV body armor is rated to take at least 1 round of armor piercing .30 caliber ammo. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/nlectc/250144.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwipp9TkiYn5AhUBomoFHfWiCSoQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Nmt_XRXj1JsM0-ER__pWO If that's where you're at, you probably need to shop dedicated anti-personel platforms like the Scar-H, Tavor 7, and AR-10. Which will leave you carrying less ammo for more weight, and still need multiple center mass hits to achieve lethality. And if one person in here says "shoot for the head" they're an idiot. Modern combat doctrine exists for a reason. If you can't train like a proffesional designated marksman, don't plan on surviving as one. If thats something you're still planning on buying & drilling for, I highly recommend Mozambique drills of two center mass shots followed by an attempted headshot before switching targets & starting over. (I actually just recommend them in general, but especially if you're worried about body armor.) (edited)
Shoot for the dick
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grin
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I'm stoked I got a plate carrier with level IV ceramics getting delivered today!
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Apex Armor, total $500
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Noice, they're good folks
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I'm stoked I got a plate carrier with level IV ceramics getting delivered today!
What carrier?
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Shellback
6:12 AM
lol just noticed the connection to my pfp
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Ahh, shellback has a lower stitching density than I'm comfy with for that kind of gear. I use one of their admin Pouches on my main setup though. If you're ever shopping again I highly recommend the SKD STT carrier, which is their budget shop special produced by first spear. It has all the nice tubes releases & the slick laser cut molle
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Ah that's a bummer. I spent days looking at so many options
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At least I got the plates, which I'm concerned might not be available in the future. I guess I can always trade up the carrier if I need to (edited)
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Steve Mike
Apex Armor, total $500
Link meh plz
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At least I got the plates, which I'm concerned might not be available in the future. I guess I can always trade up the carrier if I need to (edited)
Went & hit some research, the banshee you grabbed is actually a decent rig. Don't forget to grab a mag placard, the esstac kywi's are god tier.
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will do
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Link meh plz
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hot damn that's a good price
It's actually a hell of a deal if the shellback plates are decent. Level IV plates are running just under ~$200 each right now & that's a $250 carrier.
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gonna bookmark the plates, that's a pretty good price
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I'll have my wife shoot me in the chest tonight and let you guys know how the plates hold up ๐Ÿ‘
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"Hello my name is Steve Mike and this is iron front jackass"
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This was painful to watch
6:37 PM
Essentially, they want to make a firearm dangerous for someone who has a disability because they cannot do their fucking homework. (edited)
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Doctor Eval 7/22/2022 6:46 PM
Lol. It's the same problem with technology and the internet. You got a generation of boomers who don't even know how to reset their own damn router trying to set legislation about shit they don't know fuck about
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Lol. It's the same problem with technology and the internet. You got a generation of boomers who don't even know how to reset their own damn router trying to set legislation about shit they don't know fuck about
thechromatograph3r 7/22/2022 7:35 PM
Remember that based moment Ted Cruz had where/when he said Congress shouldnโ€™t be regulated cryptocurrency without understanding anything about it?
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Remember that based moment Ted Cruz had where/when he said Congress shouldnโ€™t be regulated cryptocurrency without understanding anything about it?
WojtektheBear 7/24/2022 3:02 PM
He went to a crypto convention right after lol, Iโ€™m not entirely against it but so many of the problems related to crypto is that theyโ€™re unregulated securities. Why do you think Belfort types are getting in on it?
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A lot if they play it right
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Musk essentially made dodgecoin into a pump and dump with twitter alone
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Okay guys, hear me out:
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Fun gun
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I've never shot a handgun, I've been meaning to go to a range that can give me some instruction.
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Being honest man not that different from shooting airsoft pistols. Recoil and breathing are the two largest differences
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I've never shot an airsoft pistol. kek (edited)
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Only a .22 rifle and an M16. lol
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Oh, and an M4 with a red dot sight, which was magical.
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Ah then u already know ur eye dominance?
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Just learn the grip and youโ€™ll be good
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Great Leader 7/25/2022 8:22 PM
I'm meaning to get a target rifle eventually, just to get thr basics of marksmanship down and develop some accuracy. Should I get a holo sight or stick with irons?
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I think iron sights are fun, and actually very critical to have in case a sight breaks or batteries run out. With not too much practice you can get good at hitting targets out to 300 ft. But also get good optics to be faster and more accurate. And a flashlight
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I like the idea of side mounted irons. Have not tried it yet but thinking about doing it
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Doctor Eval 7/25/2022 11:51 PM
Please don't forget to put replacement optic batteries in your go bag
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for a rifle that's only purpose is to go to the range an build accuracy/ practice then you can probably get a way with just having a sight on there. but if you want the rifle to also serve outside of that role in any capacity then you should have some form of iron sights. Also don't spend 100% of your budget on the rifle itself.
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I'm meaning to get a target rifle eventually, just to get thr basics of marksmanship down and develop some accuracy. Should I get a holo sight or stick with irons?
Depending on your budget, I highly recommend grabbing a 10/22 with a decent stock & a heavy barrel as a dedicated plinking rifle because the ammo is cheap, then go get a field rifle to suit your purposes later. Either way, if you're wanting to practice marksmanship I highly recommend a true 1x (unmagnified) optic with a reticle & target dots so that you can learn how to use them correctly. Then no matter what you end up shooting you'll have your fundamentals down. Notably you should also consider a red dot optic with a large sight picture if you're wanting to practice mobile forms of shooting instead of precision shooting. (edited)
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Doctor Eval 7/26/2022 8:05 AM
For optics, I recommend the Vortex 1-4x crossfire. At $200 it's an absolute steal (edited)
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Wildcat is light weight, uses Ruger mags, and has a rail on the front and top. 5 points if you get the suppressor ready model
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Best .22 imo
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It also disassembles easily with a push of a button
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Think I paid 240 for it.
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Oh God, I just realized the reticle I was about to recommend from my range queen is only available on like 4 optics & I cannot recommend them for most buyers... For reference tho, this is what the cool people are using on their DMR's. (edited)
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@Doctor Eval lemme borrow $5,460
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Great Leader 7/26/2022 9:53 AM
Thanks, everybody!
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@Doctor Eval lemme borrow $5,460
Doctor Eval 7/26/2022 11:10 AM
All my loans come with a 420% interest rate
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Also, I'm pretty gilded, but I ain't got 5400 laying around
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All my loans come with a 420% interest rate
Nice
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Also, I'm pretty gilded, but I ain't got 5400 laying around
The glory of poorly considered tax refunds
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/26/2022 10:45 PM
Holy fucking reticle mess, batman! (edited)
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Holy fucking reticle mess, batman! (edited)
In practice it's much cleaner, it let's you do very efficient hold over / under & ballistics calculations. There YouTube videos on how to use it effectively, but it's really worth taking a day or two class on precision tactical shooting.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/26/2022 11:49 PM
I know I'm old-school but I like a less messy reticle.
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I know I'm old-school but I like a less messy reticle.
It's definitely not for everyone, but it's mostly popular for taking all of the visual guesswork out of shots involving moving target or other multivariable situations like heavy wind & weird elevation differentials.
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In practice it's much cleaner, it let's you do very efficient hold over / under & ballistics calculations. There YouTube videos on how to use it effectively, but it's really worth taking a day or two class on precision tactical shooting.
That's nice
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advice on obtaining AK's here in the US?
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i am curious on how one would go about that
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i am curious on how one would go about that
Step 1: Locate gun dealer or private seller with AK Step 2: Meet your states guidelines for doing a sale, often just pinky promise that you're not a Felon if buying from an individual & not a store. But otherwise a NICS check & in a few states a waiting period. Some small number of states require a license. Step 3: Pay them Step 4: You have an AK
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advice on obtaining AK's here in the US?
Curious on why an AK?
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/27/2022 6:55 PM
Combloc drip
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advice on obtaining AK's here in the US?
Gas Nitride 4150 steel treated barrelStamped steel receiverHammer Forged Front TrunnionHammer Forged BoltHammer Forged CarrierSide Scope Mount7.62x39 Caliber1 in 9.5" TwistStd. 800-yard rear sight leafClassic Polymer Furniture, Olive Drab Green30 round magazine (1)  **Cleaning Rod Not Included
7:14 PM
$600
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birb
Curious on why an AK?
it seems like AK's are the hondas of rifles
7:23 PM
seems like a reliable firearm
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I like them, don't get me wrong, but they are like any other rifle. Keep them maintained and good ammunition and you wont have much issues
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but for a fraction of reliability, you will pay more for ammunition and parts.
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The AR-15 is modular, you can use two different rounds, cheaper, parts everywhere including academy.
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that does seem to be the popular choice among americans
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Y'all might appreciate this. Dude restored a seized-up Desert Eagle. https://youtu.be/D6x39mzZwi8 (edited)
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40 round mags 5.56 โ™ฅ๏ธ let's see how they do... Four 30 rd mags become three 40 rd
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40 round mags 5.56 โ™ฅ๏ธ let's see how they do... Four 30 rd mags become three 40 rd
Righteous, given it a test yet?
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Nope, mailman just dropped off today
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Those are very reasonably priced
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Yes! I got these from esstac.com
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@curcale you can get a psa AK for dirt cheap, or really any American made an. but import aks are gonna be higher quality. Zastava and arsenal are the brands that come to mind. They are much more expensive however. Also a polish factory is importing its akm now but I forget the name.
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@curcale why are you looking at obtaining an AK bro ๐Ÿ˜ณ
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just curious broski
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Great Leader 7/28/2022 10:24 AM
Nice antiques
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The AR-15 is modular, you can use two different rounds, cheaper, parts everywhere including academy.
WojtektheBear 7/28/2022 12:02 PM
Thatโ€™s my take on it. Best rifle platform for the versatility
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JohnBrosGhost 7/28/2022 12:06 PM
Daily reminder to train! Be safe, Be Vigilant, Be Prepared.
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just curious broski
Braakinthesaddle 7/28/2022 1:38 PM
I have an American-made AK, and I really like it. Got it at a lgs here in AZ. My wife has a S&W AR-15. We both really like it as well. You can find cheap ammo for either one. In my experience, an AK handles steel ammo better than an AR. The advantage to this is that steel-cased ammo is usually cheaper than brass-cased, unless you have the skills and tools to load your own ammo. Edited bc I am not sufficiently caffeinated... โ˜•๏ธ (edited)
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Daily reminder to train! Be safe, Be Vigilant, Be Prepared.
this is hard af my flag should be coming in soon
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I have an American-made AK, and I really like it. Got it at a lgs here in AZ. My wife has a S&W AR-15. We both really like it as well. You can find cheap ammo for either one. In my experience, an AK handles steel ammo better than an AR. The advantage to this is that steel-cased ammo is usually cheaper than brass-cased, unless you have the skills and tools to load your own ammo. Edited bc I am not sufficiently caffeinated... โ˜•๏ธ (edited)
v interesting thanks man
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Daily reminder to train! Be safe, Be Vigilant, Be Prepared.
Sick!!
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it seems like AK's are the hondas of rifles
Raps [PDX,OR] 7/28/2022 9:55 PM
That's an AR but yeah.
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but for a fraction of reliability, you will pay more for ammunition and parts.
Raps [PDX,OR] 7/28/2022 9:56 PM
x39 is still around 30cpr when 556 starts at about 45cpr.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/28/2022 9:59 PM
I don't want to be an asshole here but what can any of us do to get you to change that holster out?
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I don't want to be an asshole here but what can any of us do to get you to change that holster out?
Doctor Eval 7/28/2022 10:01 PM
Why do people give me shit about my holster? I wear it basically in my fucking underwear, and I'm not doing any backflips. (edited)
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It's also not the only holster that I own, it's just the one that I usually wear because it's easily concealable and it's comfortable
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When I open carry, I wear a leather holster with a back retention strap
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Why do people give me shit about my holster? I wear it basically in my fucking underwear, and I'm not doing any backflips. (edited)
Raps [PDX,OR] 7/28/2022 10:09 PM
Because malleable holsters have a tendency to mold over time and increase potential for a ND. Especially important for a hammer fired pistol too, extra especially if you keep in condition 1.
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It's not an attack on aesthetics. I'm coming from a place of safety.
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x39 is still around 30cpr when 556 starts at about 45cpr.
I'm still seeing 223 is cheaper
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/28/2022 10:50 PM
On average sure but I exclusively buy ammo from posts on r/gundeals or the reloaders discord and x39 large batch purchases are regularly cheaper than 556/223 on average.
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So if you're looking to buy I highly recommend those resources.
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Well that's how you purchase ammo.
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Some folks may only buy in person which is how I've come to my conclusion on my price comparison.
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I also refuse to purchase reloads due to liability. I don't believe that price should be included when it comes to price comparisons.
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JohnBrosGhost 7/28/2022 11:11 PM
I tend to use ammoseek for bulk purchases, but if I'm at cabelas/Sportsmans and something doesn't look horribly overpriced, I'll pick up one or two boxes
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I also refuse to purchase reloads due to liability. I don't believe that price should be included when it comes to price comparisons.
Raps [PDX,OR] 7/29/2022 12:11 AM
Not purchasing reloads is v smart. I load a few cartridges but never sell them. Too much liability.
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I tend to use ammoseek for bulk purchases, but if I'm at cabelas/Sportsmans and something doesn't look horribly overpriced, I'll pick up one or two boxes
Raps [PDX,OR] 7/29/2022 12:11 AM
Gundeals has never done me wrong with bulk ammo purchases.
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Though sales tax can really be a bummer if that's what you have to deal with.
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It's not an attack on aesthetics. I'm coming from a place of safety.
This. Kydex & injection molded molded holsters are king because they're less likely to lead to you accidentally getting shot.
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Super dope
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Righteous, how long did that take? Also, what material? (edited)
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Righteous, how long did that take? Also, what material? (edited)
PETG. 28 hours
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PETG. 28 hours
I've never used PETG, how does it hold up against PLA and ABS for this purpose?
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It can withstand hotter temps, less likely to warp, and has higher tensile strength
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That makes a lot of sense, thanks for the info.
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JohnBrosGhost 7/30/2022 12:12 PM
Even relatively inexpensive drones can provide valuable intelligence to units on the battlefield. "This is our task," a Ukrainian drone surveillance unit member says. "We sit the whole day and watch."
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Tossed a small drone in my 3 day pack. Great short range surveillance tool for urban protests and open spaces alike. Are fash assembling around the corner? Need to follow a PF uHaul?
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Apple tags are good for tracking vehicles
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Plus operating a drone during a protest could get you in trouble if there is aircraft in the same airspace.
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JohnBrosGhost 7/30/2022 3:03 PM
as with everything, know the laws
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Plus operating a drone during a protest could get you in trouble if there is aircraft in the same airspace.
Time to flex my ATC skills! Get a permit, file a flight plan. make sure that you're flight plan is completely legal & that you're doing nothing wrong. make sure you have video of the drone, you're required to keep line of sight anyways so not a big deal. Pray that the police fuck with it. the FAA will push their shit in faster than they know what they did. (edited)
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(if you're in an acab mood that is, forgot this isn't the anarchist server, either way, use the law to your advantage!!!)
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Time to flex my ATC skills! Get a permit, file a flight plan. make sure that you're flight plan is completely legal & that you're doing nothing wrong. make sure you have video of the drone, you're required to keep line of sight anyways so not a big deal. Pray that the police fuck with it. the FAA will push their shit in faster than they know what they did. (edited)
I'm licensed 107. We are told that aircraft always have right of way, including in emergencies. If we suspect there will be emergency aircraft, we are to cease the flight.
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You are also not allowed to fly over people or moving vehicles unless they have consented to the flight.
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Flying as a hobby has different rules, but at the end of the day it does not protect you if you placed air craft or people at risk.
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that is good info, y'all usually fly under my airspace. anybody in controlled airspace is basically untouchable if they're not actively committing a crime
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It's neat to finally meet ATC lol
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/31/2022 1:01 AM
If anyone here is local to Oregon and would like to sign our petition dissenting against IP17 (mag ban+) here's a link to our Twitter. https://twitter.com/PortlandSRA/status/1553189477270577158?s=20&t=I0vrdtNgNj7ptWeDMqCusQ
Read our statement here. Alt-text included in image. 10/?
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We are working in conjunction with two other state chapters and a couple other POC/lefty gun orgs to get our argument in the pamphlet for November.
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Doctor Eval 7/31/2022 12:42 PM
A lot of shootings about to happen
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As an oklahoman where we've had this for a while, it's really not that big of a deal. Law abiding citizens no longer have to worry about paying the fee to exercise their rights & everyone else carried on as usual https://crimeresearch.org/2022/01/changes-in-crime-and-killings-of-police-after-constitutional-carry-adopted/ (edited)
We have previously provided empirical work on the impact of Constitutional Carry Laws (download the paper here, and see particularly Table 4), but sometimes simple graphs that show the year-by-yearโ€ฆ
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As an oklahoman where we've had this for a while, it's really not that big of a deal. Law abiding citizens no longer have to worry about paying the fee to exercise their rights & everyone else carried on as usual https://crimeresearch.org/2022/01/changes-in-crime-and-killings-of-police-after-constitutional-carry-adopted/ (edited)
Braakinthesaddle 7/31/2022 2:31 PM
Same in AZ
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It's a nothing burger that GOP politicians have seized on as red meat for their base. That's 2 food metaphors in 1 sentence. Must be lunchtime...
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Whataburger sounds good... ๐Ÿ‘€
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It's a nothing burger that GOP politicians have seized on as red meat for their base. That's 2 food metaphors in 1 sentence. Must be lunchtime...
honestly I'm fine with it being a thing, I voted for a few locals over it. permitting is a little sketchy for the right to self defense in public
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honestly I'm fine with it being a thing, I voted for a few locals over it. permitting is a little sketchy for the right to self defense in public
My state passed this as well a few years ago, and yes I'm glad the redneck po-lice don't know that I'm CC'ing.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/1/2022 5:31 PM
Where do y'all buy Leftist morale patches? I've always got mine from OffColorDecals & DornerTactical on Etsy, but I'd like some more and are weary of potential right wing honeypots.
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Flank left is where I got the iron front one, the Ukrainian flag just came from Amazon
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JohnBrosGhost 8/1/2022 6:36 PM
Nice. Iโ€™ve seen that design and flank left on Etsy. Glad to know theyโ€™re good to go!
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Mr.Pebbles 8/1/2022 7:30 PM
Dig it
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Flank left is where I got the iron front one, the Ukrainian flag just came from Amazon
Steve Mike 8/2/2022 6:45 AM
I was thinking it would be cool to have some T-Shirts in this style, with the logo large and centered.
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@Steve Mike yeah t-shirts in like OD green, maybe tan and black?
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@Steve Mike yeah t-shirts in like OD green, maybe tan and black?
Steve Mike 8/2/2022 7:33 AM
Oh yeah brudda
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Tacticool style
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I mentioned it over in #graphic-designers as well
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Long sleeve tees too
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@Steve Mike I'd drop money on that
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I was thinking it would be cool to have some T-Shirts in this style, with the logo large and centered.
I know a lot of people IRL who rock these
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This Gender-Neutral Adult T-shirts item by FendywitchDesigns has 1516 favorites from Etsy shoppers. Ships from Valencia, CA. Listed on Aug 1, 2022
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possumtrot 8/2/2022 6:33 PM
Nice
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Mr.Pebbles 8/6/2022 2:02 PM
Finally picked up my first handgun
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nice i'm shooting my mk 4 ruger tmwr
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JohnBrosGhost 8/6/2022 3:51 PM
Nice! Just remember the four rules of firearm safety 1. Treat all guns as if they are always loaded. 2.Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy. 3.Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot. 4.Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
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I was all excited to go to the shooting range with my dad recently but my mom was too worried about a mass shooting taking place there. Ig we're gonna have to start hunting or smth
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I was all excited to go to the shooting range with my dad recently but my mom was too worried about a mass shooting taking place there. Ig we're gonna have to start hunting or smth
Braakinthesaddle 8/6/2022 4:57 PM
That's the last place I would worry about a mass shooting wtf...
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Same but my mom is super scared of guns. And honestly I don't blame her for trying to protect those she loves
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Same but my mom is super scared of guns. And honestly I don't blame her for trying to protect those she loves
Braakinthesaddle 8/6/2022 6:48 PM
I mean that's fair. I've learned that education is a good cure for fear. Is she open to learning?
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Nice gat, but does that monitor... both old school.
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Nice gat, but does that monitor... both old school.
If your asking if it works yes
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@Mr.Pebbles Lol I was yes, really butchered that sentence didn't I? Can't split my attention between baseball and discord without making some typos (edited)
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 11:34 AM
Why do I have the sudden urge to play Oregon Trail, Myst, and Mech Warrior??
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heinz_ketchup 8/7/2022 5:05 PM
hello fellow Bersa owner. Bersa gets some hate but I find it a fun, easily carried little gat. Did you get the 7 round or 15 round version?
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spent good time at the range today
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hello fellow Bersa owner. Bersa gets some hate but I find it a fun, easily carried little gat. Did you get the 7 round or 15 round version?
Mr.Pebbles 8/7/2022 7:13 PM
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JohnBrosGhost 8/8/2022 1:19 PM
Copying this resource here. If youโ€™re prepared to make holes, ya gotta be prepared to plug holes. https://www.stopthebleed.org/training/
Get Trained to STOP THE BLEED
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And no- tampons do not stop bleeding from gunshot wounds. Tourniquets, hemostatic gauze, and pressure dressings do (edited)
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Who would try a tampon? Lol
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Looking into some people recommend it actually-
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heinz_ketchup 8/8/2022 1:31 PM
yeah I worry every time I go to the range. see those bullet holes that are 90 degrees from forward? up above, to the side. plenty of idiots doing idiot stuff. you can be the perfect firearm user and the guy next to you could ND in your direction.
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Who would try a tampon? Lol
JohnBrosGhost 8/8/2022 1:32 PM
A surprising number of people in the mid-2010s would repeat this claim. It was ridiculous. Still hear it today.
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Who would try a tampon? Lol
Raps [PDX,OR] 8/8/2022 2:27 PM
It's old lore and up until about 05 the rangers carried them in their IFAKS.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/8/2022 2:36 PM
Also wanted to elevate this group for those who havenโ€™t seen themโ€ฆ. https://www.armyourfriends.com/about
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very cool, sucks that it's only in TX
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heinz_ketchup 8/8/2022 4:29 PM
this looks like its not terrible or full of fuds.
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oh lordy. Tried to sign up for an event, got an error: "Invalid API Key provided: 123"
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looks like some of the site is still under development so might have to check back later
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Copying this resource here. If youโ€™re prepared to make holes, ya gotta be prepared to plug holes. https://www.stopthebleed.org/training/
In case you didn't see it, Stop the Bleed has FREE ONLINE training, and if you want the cert you can do a skills lab and take a test after
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There's usually a free class at your local med school wv3ry few months as well, go get the hands on, it's worth it.
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Great Leader 8/10/2022 10:20 PM
I figured it would be. I've been planning on it for a while but just never got to it yet.
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this looks like its not terrible or full of fuds.
nah AYF is pretty cool and has seemed more marketed toward liberal gun owners anyway
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I was all excited to go to the shooting range with my dad recently but my mom was too worried about a mass shooting taking place there. Ig we're gonna have to start hunting or smth
also late to this but you can tell her only the dumbest mass shooter would start blasting in a room/range full of people with loses weapons. Itโ€™s like trying to rob a gun store ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ
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Yeah the shooter would get shot themself immediately
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Wasn't there a case like...years ago where a robber thought he was robbing a bank and ended up entering the gun store right next to said Bank?
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/17/2022 10:36 PM
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Finally got my 365 all set up. Light, 507k, magguts. It's ready for edc play.
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First word that popped into my head when I saw this was "handsome"
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/17/2022 10:39 PM
This is my second favorite pistol to shoot and I'm super happy with it. (edited)
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r/Liberal gun owners is doing a sticker drop for the next few hours, if you missed out last time like I did now is your chance!
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This is my second favorite pistol to shoot and I'm super happy with it. (edited)
YoshiToranaga 8/18/2022 8:54 PM
Nice! I have a 92fs but probably picking up a 365 and mini14 in the next month or two. Got tired of not having rail options and fullsize is a bitch with my ccw.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/18/2022 11:33 PM
I'm of the biggest fan of the 92f platform. The 365 is a whole other world. I hope you like it.
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heinz_ketchup 8/19/2022 3:32 PM
how have y'all's experiences with SRA been? I joined a month ago and so far its been disappointing. they didn't put me in the nearest chapter, so I asked to be put in the nearest chapter 2 weeks ago, and a week ago they finally replied and said they needed to check to make sure people were following up on paperwork, haven't heard since, there are no activities near me, nothing going on, people don't respond to messages, it seems like a waste of time/money. I've joined 2 other leftist gun groups which both have much better communications, have upcoming events and trainings, and seem actually interested in people joining and participating.
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how have y'all's experiences with SRA been? I joined a month ago and so far its been disappointing. they didn't put me in the nearest chapter, so I asked to be put in the nearest chapter 2 weeks ago, and a week ago they finally replied and said they needed to check to make sure people were following up on paperwork, haven't heard since, there are no activities near me, nothing going on, people don't respond to messages, it seems like a waste of time/money. I've joined 2 other leftist gun groups which both have much better communications, have upcoming events and trainings, and seem actually interested in people joining and participating.
Braakinthesaddle 8/19/2022 3:56 PM
Yea SRA can be very hit or miss. I tried joining the Phoenix chapter in 2020, but there communication was slow, if it happened at all, and there were also no planned events, nor any other activity in the chapter. Other cities have more active chapters IIRC tho.
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how have y'all's experiences with SRA been? I joined a month ago and so far its been disappointing. they didn't put me in the nearest chapter, so I asked to be put in the nearest chapter 2 weeks ago, and a week ago they finally replied and said they needed to check to make sure people were following up on paperwork, haven't heard since, there are no activities near me, nothing going on, people don't respond to messages, it seems like a waste of time/money. I've joined 2 other leftist gun groups which both have much better communications, have upcoming events and trainings, and seem actually interested in people joining and participating.
YoshiToranaga 8/19/2022 4:30 PM
Iโ€™m in wisco and same thing. Very very not organized and contacts dont respond ever. @briar and I are making our own.
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I failed the interview, somehow, but the MN chapter was much less active than I wanted anyway. compared to other organizations that were sporting the 3 arrows who were actively out there counter protesting the stop the steal protests.
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how have y'all's experiences with SRA been? I joined a month ago and so far its been disappointing. they didn't put me in the nearest chapter, so I asked to be put in the nearest chapter 2 weeks ago, and a week ago they finally replied and said they needed to check to make sure people were following up on paperwork, haven't heard since, there are no activities near me, nothing going on, people don't respond to messages, it seems like a waste of time/money. I've joined 2 other leftist gun groups which both have much better communications, have upcoming events and trainings, and seem actually interested in people joining and participating.
WojtektheBear 8/19/2022 6:46 PM
What other groups?
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heinz_ketchup 8/19/2022 6:47 PM
liberal gun club and gonna go meet AYF in a week
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Yea SRA can be very hit or miss. I tried joining the Phoenix chapter in 2020, but there communication was slow, if it happened at all, and there were also no planned events, nor any other activity in the chapter. Other cities have more active chapters IIRC tho.
Braakinthesaddle 8/19/2022 7:08 PM
Update on this: I learned just this afternoon that the Phoenix chapter formally dissolved earlier this year. So there's that...
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Update on this: I learned just this afternoon that the Phoenix chapter formally dissolved earlier this year. So there's that...
WojtektheBear 8/19/2022 7:46 PM
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Iโ€™m in wisco and same thing. Very very not organized and contacts dont respond ever. @briar and I are making our own.
Yeah thereโ€™s a couple members by us but we found each other basically.
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Update on this: I learned just this afternoon that the Phoenix chapter formally dissolved earlier this year. So there's that...
Your username makes me happy
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Gotta go to a class tomorrow to get my cwp, deep in the heart of trump country. Pray for me y'all.
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Godspeed. Just smile and nod, smiiile and nod ...
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/20/2022 12:57 AM
@heinz_ketchup @Braakinthesaddle @YoshiToranaga So unfortunately this is the side effect of leaderless horizontal organization. I'm in the PDXSRA and we are pretty active but honestly, ot of the close to 200 registered members there's maybe 40 that are active. A lot of this is because of covid and social distancing protocols. We have a local discord and slack for vetted members but those platforms can be confusing for those who aren't connected or are good at the internet. It's a constant battle our local has been working against but it's hard to not get burnt out at some point. If you all are curious with pursuing contact with your locals I highly suggest you go on the national forums. If you want I can DM you my username there and I can try and get you set up with your respective liaison. (edited)
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@heinz_ketchup @Braakinthesaddle @YoshiToranaga So unfortunately this is the side effect of leaderless horizontal organization. I'm in the PDXSRA and we are pretty active but honestly, ot of the close to 200 registered members there's maybe 40 that are active. A lot of this is because of covid and social distancing protocols. We have a local discord and slack for vetted members but those platforms can be confusing for those who aren't connected or are good at the internet. It's a constant battle our local has been working against but it's hard to not get burnt out at some point. If you all are curious with pursuing contact with your locals I highly suggest you go on the national forums. If you want I can DM you my username there and I can try and get you set up with your respective liaison. (edited)
heinz_ketchup 8/20/2022 1:02 AM
thanks, I try to read the national forum every few days, found the leader of the nearest chapter, emailed the person, its very slow going. it takes them a week to respond to an email if they even do. I know that chapter (Houston SRA) was active at some point as they were posting meetup pics on reddit, which is how I heard about them.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/20/2022 1:03 AM
That's unfortunate.
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heinz_ketchup 8/20/2022 1:04 AM
the liberal gun club is having a national meetup in Las Vegas in October, lots of training and networking.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/20/2022 1:04 AM
As much as I don't want to say it I feel like the SRA is not long for this world.
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in my local super republican corner of southeast texas, there is growing interest in socialism, communism, leftist organizing, mutual aid, and weapons training. so it seems counterintuitive that SRA would be dwindling, except through poor management or something, but I don't know the details.
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i'm still new to leftist stuff but there seems to be an awful lot of paranoia and distrust, which I totally understand due to historical events. but if people don't find a way around that, nothing is ever gonna get organized.
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but then hey everybody on this board could be a fed or something trying to honeypot me.......
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/20/2022 2:24 AM
"so it seems counterintuitive that SRA would be dwindling, except through poor management or something'
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John Brown's gun club has been taking a lot of former SRA areas and they tend to be pretty leftist
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While I was out yesterday the rear bag for my plate carrier, as well as my rifle sling came in. Feels good to finish that project off.
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Here it is all together, larping like it's the summer of '89
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LOL u need to get your kitsch-loving family member one of these:
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HAHA I totally should get one of those
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Here it is all together, larping like it's the summer of '89
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looking like yur abt to storm the iranian embassy lol
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@curcale perfect
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If the decal was just a little smaller it would be perfect. Will reprint to get it just right
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very fucking cool, i'd love to get an AR in the future
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Looks good man
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been seeing a lot of new/interested in AR/other .556 platform stuff lately - hereโ€™s my favorite resource for zeroing in your new red dot at whatever range you have access to http://arma-dynamics.com/red-dot-zero-targets.html
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heinz_ketchup 8/24/2022 3:33 PM
someday someone is gonna build a lever-action ar-15 just to mess with California. I'd buy it. especially if its ruger.
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although on second thought maybe a lever action sks would be even cooler
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If the decal was just a little smaller it would be perfect. Will reprint to get it just right
JohnBrosGhost 8/24/2022 3:41 PM
Nice. There's a special place in my heart for Quad rails
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Nice. There's a special place in my heart for Quad rails
It needs lots of work. Bought it a long time ago and haven't touched it until recently.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/24/2022 3:45 PM
M&Ps are solid, quad rail is utilitarian, looks good to me! & You've got the training to use it, to boot!
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Ah gee, thanks!
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JohnBrosGhost 8/25/2022 10:07 AM
New plate carrier is out for delivery! Fucking stoked to get some hours in with it.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/25/2022 10:28 AM
What did you get?
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JohnBrosGhost 8/25/2022 10:41 AM
Shellback Rampage. Had to go a little on the budget side, but needed decent quality. I changed up my Slickster to be a covert carrier with iiia soft plates for protests, gatherings, etc. The Shellback will be my new overt carrier
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Raps [PDX,OR] 8/25/2022 11:12 AM
Nice.
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I just got an LBX Armatus PC as my second kit.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/25/2022 12:31 PM
Hadn't seen that one before. Looks solid
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Just put my order in, hopefully going to sway the fiancée to get her CCW soon. Solid deal on almost everything you need besides a reliable holster/cleaning kit
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Manufacturer: Smith and WessonProduct Line: M&P Shield Plus Bug Out Bag BundleAction: Semi AutomaticCaliber: 9mmBarrel Length: 3.1"Overall Length: 6.1"Manual Safety: NoCapacity: 13+1, 10+1Magazines Included: 5Slide: Optics ReadySights: Night SightsFinish: Black
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Hagia Sophia Stan 8/26/2022 1:15 AM
Anyone know of good clubs in the PHX metro?
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heinz_ketchup 8/26/2022 1:48 AM
seems like Ian and Karl from inrangetv are in Arizona. inrange has a discord too but you might have to be a patreon supporter to get the link.
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heinz_ketchup 8/26/2022 1:57 AM
you could keep an eye out for the Brutality matches that originated in Tuscon. https://www.brutalitymatches.org/about-brutality
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JohnBrosGhost 8/26/2022 5:16 PM
New kit who dis?
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Daaamn Smokey!
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Hagia Sophia Stan
Anyone know of good clubs in the PHX metro?
Braakinthesaddle 8/27/2022 12:10 AM
Anytime you wanna go shooting, hmu. I know a place.
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As far as clubs, it's slim pickings
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In my experience
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heinz_ketchup 8/27/2022 3:35 AM
I paid $30 for a beginner course with armyourfriends.com . Got a confirmation email from them, its supposed to be tomorrow. There is no indication what time the course is. They aren't responding to the emails I've sent. Their website indicates 2 people signed up, including me. After bad experiences with SRA and now AYF, why are so many of these groups so poorly managed? Is it really that hard to answer an email from a paying customer? wtf.
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heinz_ketchup 8/27/2022 10:33 AM
finally first thing Saturday morning, "oh the training starts in an hour sorry for the late notice" ffs
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I swear the most powerful thing leftist groups could do to organize is learn basic admin skills, like responding to emails in a timely manner, and communicating effectively.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/27/2022 11:35 AM
Hopefully you were still able to make it! If so, definitely post a report back since theyโ€™ve been growing on a lot of folks radar
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Hopefully you were still able to make it! If so, definitely post a report back since theyโ€™ve been growing on a lot of folks radar
heinz_ketchup 8/27/2022 11:37 AM
unfortunately no, its a 2 hour drive for me each way, and they only gave me 1 hours notice.
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i'm willing to pay money and drive 4 hours on a saturday to connect with people and do some training. but I want those people to be willing to do the bare fucking minimum to work with me on it.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/27/2022 12:38 PM
Damn, that sucks.
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Hagia Sophia Stan
Anyone know of good clubs in the PHX metro?
Braakinthesaddle 8/27/2022 1:12 PM
Check out Rod and Rifle Gun Club
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JohnBrosGhost 8/27/2022 3:13 PM
PDF version of the Resistance Operating Doctrine, the US developed blueprint for Ukraine and similar countries to oppose and repel larger forces https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract&did=838149
From the Purpose: The Resistance Operating Concept (ROC) encourages governments to foster pre-crisis resiliency through Total Defense (also known as C....
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austinwiltshire 8/28/2022 12:10 PM
This is probably gonna get me burned, but I do speculate if basically we're caught in this intractable standoff. Institutionalist dems: they know how to organize and administrate while keeping ego crazy people in check, hate guns Anarchists: distrust any hierarchy that is nearly always required to organize and administrate SRA: totally willing to let ego mad people climb to the top and then topple the organizeation
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Any gun club that works is one of: Dems who finally have had enough Anarchists who have gotten comfortable with enough rules to have a schedule Authoritarian Socialists who haven't been coopted by some charismatic leader ๐Ÿ˜‚
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heinz_ketchup 8/28/2022 1:41 PM
those are very real problems. I would add that this insistence on political ideology is also part of the problem. There is a kind of immature grandiose narcissism to it, "I am a communist", "I am a socialist", "I am an anarchist", where a person believes they have found the one true way to socially organize humans, and that they are working towards toppling the existing system to replace it with their one true system, and that when this is achieved, the utopia will mean freedom from suffering and problems in life. It is the archetypal heroic journey that gives life meaning, and is becoming increasingly common as hypercapitalism forces all of us into a meaningless existence of servitude and cheap plastic crap from china. Graeber's "The Dawn of Everything" describes how historically humans were very fluid in the social organization, sometimes changing it seasonally, or trying different methods. There is no one true political system. Our societies need to be able to change and adapt based on conditions. There will never be a utopia where all your suffering and problems cease to exist. There is no way to cheat death or get out of our conundrum of being conscious beings who know we will die and our lives will be forgotten for all eternity. So that said, what do we do? Well as fascists are training and on the march, we need community defense, so I would hope there would be some organization, an umbrella of leftists who can set aside their bickering and come together to train/support/defend each other. which is basically what you described. but the left is never gonna do that as long as they cling to these questions "are you an anarchist or marxist? a leninist? or you're a dirty liberal democrat statist" i'm so tired of this labeling bullshit, I'm not a marxist, communist, anarchist, just a human trying to work with my fellow humans to care about each other and hopefully be cared about too.
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Any gun club that works is one of: Dems who finally have had enough Anarchists who have gotten comfortable with enough rules to have a schedule Authoritarian Socialists who haven't been coopted by some charismatic leader ๐Ÿ˜‚
Raps [PDX,OR] 8/28/2022 3:56 PM
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/28/2022 4:01 PM
Hopefully this is the space AIF can fill. Big tent. No labels, just people united against fascism.
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Yeah, we gotta watch our third arrow though. In some areas the communist groups are doing some of the best organizing and we need to make sure to be clear whether we're ok with them or not. I've definitely seen some socialists and communists getting alienated by that.
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Luckily I think socialistRA is explicitly anti tankie as well?
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Luckily I think socialistRA is explicitly anti tankie as well?
Tankie, maybe. Communist absolutely not. In MN a number were apparently openly Marxist. How to handle them is going to be complicated.
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Yeah I guess that's a question is what exactly the third arrow stands for? I mean I know what it stands for originally in the European iron front but in the US I guess I would be willing to ally with anyone who's not authoritarian, so like any communists who just want to have a shot at having their views heard in a democratic arena I don't personally see as a threat. As long as they're not otherwise intolerant (i.e. TERFS, racist, homophobes, misogynists) that is.
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Yeah I guess that's a question is what exactly the third arrow stands for? I mean I know what it stands for originally in the European iron front but in the US I guess I would be willing to ally with anyone who's not authoritarian, so like any communists who just want to have a shot at having their views heard in a democratic arena I don't personally see as a threat. As long as they're not otherwise intolerant (i.e. TERFS, racist, homophobes, misogynists) that is.
For now yeah that works, but we must be careful how much ground/ control is given to them. Given communist actions historically (thinking Spanish civil war here)
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Yeah I see what you mean. I guess my general thought would be to collaborate and share space and events in the name of solidarity but be clear that we are a different organization with a common general goal of anti-fascism and recruit and organize separately. If that makes sense? Basically like a European style coalition. We don't necessarily agree but right now our interests align for self preservation
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I feel like it should work since we're not explicitly working towards electing candidates together which is when the coalition model breaks down in the US
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Freaking two-party FPTP nonsense ๐Ÿคฌ
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Yeah I see what you mean. I guess my general thought would be to collaborate and share space and events in the name of solidarity but be clear that we are a different organization with a common general goal of anti-fascism and recruit and organize separately. If that makes sense? Basically like a European style coalition. We don't necessarily agree but right now our interests align for self preservation
That sounds like a good plan, where AIF serves as an umbrella organization. With other "anti-fascist" organizations are beneath/ affiliated. Right now we are way to small and decentralized to exert any kind of control or influence. Heinz is right this should probably move to the politics channel.
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Luckily I think socialistRA is explicitly anti tankie as well?
Raps [PDX,OR] 8/29/2022 10:47 AM
SRA is anti authoritarian power, so tankies are allowed but they need to be aware what they say and to whom. In my experience most tankies don't last in the SRA because they're looking for a revolutionary or more reactionary group and the SRA is absolutely not that.
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And there are plenty of ML/M theorists in the SRA ranks that don't buy into the heavy handed party politik or authoritarian line. It's a big tent org.
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heinz_ketchup 8/29/2022 11:11 AM
a few weeks back on a podcast (I think it was Robert Evans) dude talked about offering "intro to firearms" classes for lefties/friends who never held guns, didn't have access, or were otherwise unfamiliar. No shooting, not at a range, just meet somewhere quiet and explain safety rules, how to load/unload, how they work, how to engage the safety, what to do if you find one laying around unsecured. Seems like a good idea. I'm gonna try it with my local peeps. anyone else do something like this, have advice, etc?
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a few weeks back on a podcast (I think it was Robert Evans) dude talked about offering "intro to firearms" classes for lefties/friends who never held guns, didn't have access, or were otherwise unfamiliar. No shooting, not at a range, just meet somewhere quiet and explain safety rules, how to load/unload, how they work, how to engage the safety, what to do if you find one laying around unsecured. Seems like a good idea. I'm gonna try it with my local peeps. anyone else do something like this, have advice, etc?
No experience doing this but it sounds like a great idea. Maybe combine with an intro to stop the bleed as well?
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heinz_ketchup 8/29/2022 11:17 AM
i've wanted a "how to be leftist / politically active" series of training sessions for a while. intro to guns, stop the bleed, infosec 101, osint 101, political messaging for dummies. you could call it "antifa university".
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somebody could make a youtube channel, LefterU or something, with videos about this stuff. assuming youtube didn't take it down.
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Sounds too much like pragerU which I assume is intentional parody but still makes me ๐Ÿคฎ a little
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But yes I agree that is an awesome idea
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JohnBrosGhost 8/29/2022 11:25 AM
TacticoolGF covers a lot of this. She's not outright political, but as a transwoman has roped in a lot of leftist gun owners. @heinz_ketchup (edited)
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But I agree, I've thought the same thing. A low-barrier-to-entry channel that covers the basics of medical, tactical, and support.
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Speaking of which, as much as I hate the NRA, I've been meaning to get NRA instructor certified to try and start teaching some informal classes.
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Speaking of which, as much as I hate the NRA, I've been meaning to get NRA instructor certified to try and start teaching some informal classes.
heinz_ketchup 8/29/2022 11:32 AM
Yeah, feeling the same way about the NRA. all the firearms training in my area is right wing, and usually requires NRA membership, and it seems like the only practical option is pretend to be RW as much as possible, get the knowledge and share it with my friends later. it sucks but better to get training than not to.
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JohnBrosGhost 8/29/2022 11:34 AM
And be able to disseminate that training to others.
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Yeah, feeling the same way about the NRA. all the firearms training in my area is right wing, and usually requires NRA membership, and it seems like the only practical option is pretend to be RW as much as possible, get the knowledge and share it with my friends later. it sucks but better to get training than not to.
If shtf we are all going to benefit from being able to "fit in" with our enemies strategically when needed. For survival but also intel. Yes it does make me sick to laugh along with hateful jokes and comments but I also get a Hannibal Lecter rush the see that I've completely fooled such a shitty person.
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Any good lefty gun clubs near Denver Metro yet?
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If shtf we are all going to benefit from being able to "fit in" with our enemies strategically when needed. For survival but also intel. Yes it does make me sick to laugh along with hateful jokes and comments but I also get a Hannibal Lecter rush the see that I've completely fooled such a shitty person.
Braakinthesaddle 8/30/2022 1:48 AM
This is where my appearance comes in handy as a 6'5 300 lb bearded cishet male white veteran. As far as chuds are concerned, I pass their eye test, and most of em don't think deeply enough to pry. Even if they did, I speak their language from growing up in a "good Southern Baptist home" in Oklahoma...
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heinz_ketchup 8/30/2022 1:05 PM
US president hails passage of Bipartisan Safer Communities Act and tells Maryland crowd: โ€˜I promise you, weโ€™re not stopping thereโ€™
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"how do we motivate republicans to turn out and vote? how do we depress the gun-supporting left?" (edited)
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Can I get a non-paywall version or some screenshot
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Any good lefty gun clubs near Denver Metro yet?
heinz_ketchup 8/30/2022 1:29 PM
i haven't had much success with SRA in Houston but this has the email for the Denver chapter https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/x19sq7/how_do_i_get_into_the_forums_i_just_joined_the/
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i haven't had much success with SRA in Houston but this has the email for the Denver chapter https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/x19sq7/how_do_i_get_into_the_forums_i_just_joined_the/
ok sweet, yeah I for some reason couldnโ€™t find out much info just googling
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might be a stupid question but thereโ€™s no beef between SRA/AIF right? Just intro wise if Iโ€™m like โ€œhey, 2A liberal associated with AIF etc. etc.โ€ I thought Iโ€™d heard we were trying to get ahold of them to cooperate on stuff but wanted to make sure
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might be a stupid question but thereโ€™s no beef between SRA/AIF right? Just intro wise if Iโ€™m like โ€œhey, 2A liberal associated with AIF etc. etc.โ€ I thought Iโ€™d heard we were trying to get ahold of them to cooperate on stuff but wanted to make sure
heinz_ketchup 8/30/2022 1:37 PM
i haven't heard of any beef, i'm in SRA, but probably too new to know of any historical drama.
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Yeah no organizational beef. Individuals here though may not care for them for their own individual reasons/ reasons But that's up to the person themselves
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OrsoMalleus 9/1/2022 4:30 PM
Anyone have any gun buying advice in terms of good shops in Massachusetts? I'm not trying to buy a gun from some Trumper asshole.
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this thread has some good online suggestions, but as itโ€™s been said before, trying to parse the purchase of a weapon designed to destroy living things can be an exercise in futility. Ultimately, the manufacturer of the firearm either lobbies for the right, manufactures parts in China, supports the Israeli military etc. etc. Donโ€™t delay your own protection just to find a sinless gunmaker because you wonโ€™t find it.
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to be fair, I've more then once pitched the idea of a openly leftist gun store called "arm the people". The only reason I don't is the process to get a gun license to sell is quite long in CA (as it should be imo) and I am admittedly in the controversial train of thought that guns can and should be heavily regulated. Also there's a chance that one trumper gun store will try to fucking fight me. More practically, I would actually recommend stores with a hunting section. Especially sports stores. Most are politically neutral as a rule, Been eyeing a deer hunting rifle at my local big 5 with decent reviews...
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Hence my point. That said, I also can't own a business do to both lack of experience and also my ideal career choice is animation
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JohnBrosGhost 9/1/2022 11:59 PM
Also, if you have an ffl, atf can legally search your property to โ€œcheck onโ€ the guns in your inventory. I looked into it a few years back to do a home based, and it just wasnโ€™t worth the hassle.
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I'm aware
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like I said, I considered it
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but the hassle is a pain in the ass (admittedly as it should be imo)
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/2/2022 12:11 PM
I have a friend who applied and was approved for an FFL in oregon. His main issue is finding a storefront to operate out of because most commercial landlords either want an insane insurance policy on the place or they simply won't do business with a potential gun dealer. (edited)
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JohnBrosGhost 9/8/2022 11:01 AM
Iโ€™m so tempted to budget for some PSA AR kits, add in some cheap lowers. A few toss around $400 ARs could be useful!
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JohnBrosGhost 9/8/2022 1:06 PM
Nope. Pretty easy. Plenty of high quality walkthrough videos as well.
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Psa has a 20 in A2 for 830 bucks right now if you don't feel like building. (I am sure there are others but that's not a bad price for a rifle)
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10 yards with my ruger mk4
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austinwiltshire 9/12/2022 9:01 PM
That's a great gun
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Great Leader 9/13/2022 7:32 AM
Space age Luger
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/13/2022 4:32 PM
Caliber: 7.62x39mmModel: AK-103Barrel Length: 16"Thread Pitch: M24x1.5RHBarrel Twist Rate: 1:10"Barrel Material: Gas Nitride 4150 steel treated barrelBarrel Finish: NitrideChrome Lined Barrel: NoFront Trunnion: Hammer Forged 4340AQBolt: Hammer ForgedCarrier: Hammer ForgedHandguard Type: PSA Classic Polymer AK-47 Handguard, BlackGrip: PSA Classic...
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850 for a PSAK103 and a PSA dagger.
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yours says tactical, mine says target, is there any real difference?
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Vortex Optics Venom Red Dot Sights https://a.co/d/i8U5X3G
Choose 3 or 6 MOA fto best fit your needs. The durable, machined aluminum housing ensures the unit will stand up to whatever you throw at it. Top-load system makes changing the CR1632 battery a snap and alleviates the need to remove the sight when switching the power source. The power and dot int...
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saving up for this guy
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Unfortunately I need to buy plates before anything else
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Vortex Optics Venom Red Dot Sights https://a.co/d/i8U5X3G
Raps [PDX,OR] 9/14/2022 6:41 PM
I'd recommend the viper over the venom simply because the battery compartment is located on top of the optic as opposed to the bottom which means you won't have to remove the optic to change the batteries.
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insert russian attachment copypasta
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/15/2022 1:39 PM
@curcale I bought a viper from focus camera for 260 or somewhere in that neighborhood. You can usually find their deals on gun.deals or r/gundeals. I talked about my reason for picking the viper over the venom in a comment above if you're interested.
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thanks homie i'll make a note of it
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I recommend getting some skills with a wrist rocket.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/15/2022 8:56 PM
Real humans use slings. /s
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Not exactly firearms, body armor, butโ€ฆIโ€™ve been looking into gettin a level 3a vest, since cash is a bit too tight atm for a full plate carrier, and found this one: https://bulletsafe.com/products/bullet-proof-vest anybody heard of the brand/have experience with it? I found a couple positive reviews, some complaints about weight, but it also seems remarkably cheap compared to some of the other stuff and if I need it Iโ€™d rather not have it give out kind of thingโ€ฆ
A new bulletproof vest that offers level IIIA protection for under $200! BulletSafe vests are the best value in body armor. Trusted by national security companies.
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Not exactly firearms, body armor, butโ€ฆIโ€™ve been looking into gettin a level 3a vest, since cash is a bit too tight atm for a full plate carrier, and found this one: https://bulletsafe.com/products/bullet-proof-vest anybody heard of the brand/have experience with it? I found a couple positive reviews, some complaints about weight, but it also seems remarkably cheap compared to some of the other stuff and if I need it Iโ€™d rather not have it give out kind of thingโ€ฆ
If there aren't YouTube videos of someone shooting the vest wrapped around a water jug with various weapons and ammo, I'd pass. What does level IIIA mean? AR vulnerable.
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Iโ€™ve seen ballistic gel and rubber dummy vids so far, Iโ€™ll look for water jug. This is gonna be my first piece of body armor, so definitely wanna do it right, even though level 4 isnโ€™t in my budget,
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That link is -way- more detailed with what body armor levels mean, what I was looking at was basically a chart that said โ€œthis is good against handguns, this is good against assault riflesโ€
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Really appreciate that link : )
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Level III can be bought at home depot, but you're going to need to train to wear steel plates. Great cardio!
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Research on 'Oobleck' Could Enhance Body Armor, Softer Robots ...https://www.georgetown.edu/news/research-on-oobleck-could-enhance-body-armor-softer-robots/
A Georgetown physics professor collaborates with NIST scientists to demystify a childrenโ€™s science fair favorite named for a Dr. Seuss classic. The research could enhance protection of police and soldiers and create softer robots.
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Iโ€™ve heard steel plate can spauld really badly
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That true or just people trying to sell ceramics?
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IIRC a maker article testing stacked layers of kevlar fabric and paste made of propylene glycol and cornstarch. I think most of the high end equipment uses this, plus removable metal or ceramic plates.
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Oobleck is the non-newtonian fluid kids play with in science class.
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Cornstarch and water.
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At fast speeds, it resists loads like a solid. At slow speeds it resists loads like a liquid.
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Ooo thatโ€™s neat
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A few years ago the prepper Internet was all excited about this stuff because it would make survivability in a rifle-contested space much cheaper.
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Liquid Armour is a material under research by defense institutions and universities around the world including the United States Army Research Laboratory (ARL) Some of the earliโ€ฆ
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Body armor is about to undergo the biggest change in centuries -- new liquid formations are making Kevlar much lighter and more flexible to wear. Find out about this new technique for making body armor more wearable.
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Upshot: if ABSOLUTELY necessary, real IIIA Kevlar fabric vests can be impregnated with "Shear Thickening Fluid" which makes it stiffen under impact. Pockets can also be added to accommodate steel or ceramic plates.
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Not exactly firearms, body armor, butโ€ฆIโ€™ve been looking into gettin a level 3a vest, since cash is a bit too tight atm for a full plate carrier, and found this one: https://bulletsafe.com/products/bullet-proof-vest anybody heard of the brand/have experience with it? I found a couple positive reviews, some complaints about weight, but it also seems remarkably cheap compared to some of the other stuff and if I need it Iโ€™d rather not have it give out kind of thingโ€ฆ
JohnBrosGhost 9/19/2022 7:24 PM
Whatโ€™s your budget?
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And what use do you expect? Covert at protests or SHTF civil war usage?
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austinwiltshire 9/19/2022 9:28 PM
Yeah you can get plates and a carrier for near what a vest costs. Vests aren't necessarily cheaper. My understanding is, yes, steel is not preferred due to the spalling. I'd say if you had to get something for war tomorrow, steel is better than nothing. Otherwise I'd save up for a ceramic plate. For some reason I have bad memories of bullet safe as a brand but I couldn't tell you why. On the other hand, Kevlar has benefits. It can be concealed. It generally covers a larger area. And most every day threats are handgun calibers. One thing people don't think about is knives. Most Kevlar vests are not necessarily slash and stab resistant unless they say they are. In terms of every day threats, knives are up there. My favorite is in conjunction vests. Kevlar vests you can out a plate in. So concealable when you want, rifle resistant when you need.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/19/2022 9:40 PM
Ceramic plates arenโ€™t as expensive as they used to be. Got directed to here on Reddit https://rmadefense.com/product-category/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/
RMA Armament manufactures the strongest and most affordable Level 4 body armor plates in the U.S. Plus, next day shipping on in stock body armor plates.
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@DieFM#8898 Iโ€™ve got steel plates with a coating to reduce spalding, but want to get some new ceramic plates
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JohnBrosGhost
Whatโ€™s your budget?
350 at the high end, comfortable with 300, concealed for protests, plan on getting full plates for shit hitting the fan later on. If possible also knife resistant, but Iโ€™ve got an old hardened motorcycle jacket for that with reinforced leather and shit, so less worried on that front. Also more likely to survive getting shanked than shot.
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LessthanLoneWolf
Ceramic plates arenโ€™t as expensive as they used to be. Got directed to here on Reddit https://rmadefense.com/product-category/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/
If that gear is good, then the IIIA operator system looks pretty much perfect for what Iโ€™m looking for. Thanks for the link! Gonna DYOR to confirm itโ€™s good gear though, but definitely in my price range!
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/19/2022 9:49 PM
Not a problem. Itโ€™s a good โ€œoh shitโ€ thing to have.
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350 at the high end, comfortable with 300, concealed for protests, plan on getting full plates for shit hitting the fan later on. If possible also knife resistant, but Iโ€™ve got an old hardened motorcycle jacket for that with reinforced leather and shit, so less worried on that front. Also more likely to survive getting shanked than shot.
JohnBrosGhost 9/19/2022 10:29 PM
350 is more than sufficient. Be sure to buy NIJ certified armor, not โ€˜NIJ testedโ€™ which is meaningless.
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austinwiltshire 9/19/2022 10:51 PM
Are plates easy to conceal nowadays? I thought Kevlar was the only way forward with that. Unless you're willing to wear a ski coat
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Depends on the thickness and the carrier. But is generally a triangle where you are balancing cost vs weight vs effectiveness. So a thin effective plate is gonna be a much more expensive than a thicker one.
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Also there are different cuts of plate that are probably easier to conceal along with sizes of plates and carriers.
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Medium plates are like 10 inches by 12 inches and cover your thoracic cavity and a little bit around it, but at that point it's gonna be harder to conceal than a smaller plate.
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JohnBrosGhost
350 is more than sufficient. Be sure to buy NIJ certified armor, not โ€˜NIJ testedโ€™ which is meaningless.
Raps [PDX,OR] 9/20/2022 6:01 PM
To add to this, check up on the plates you've bought at the vendors website to make sure the certification stays current. I bought some iiiA+ plates a few years ago that were NIJ cert/DEA compliant and after looking them up it appears that a batch failed and now the plates are just NIJ tested. Kind of a bummer for me.
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And to add my 2¢ on plates. Get NIJ certified ceramic plates at a minimum but also look for DEA compliant plates. The DEA is involved in more shootouts than any other alphabet agency and they have additional criteria for their agents when choosing ceramic plates. It's an extra insurance policy.
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JohnBrosGhost 9/20/2022 11:52 PM
16" Barrel LengthA2 Profile BarrelChrome Moly barrel5.56 Nato Chamber1 in 7" twist rateF-Marked Front sight postA2 Flash HiderSling LoopStandard Gray Hand Guards w/ heat shieldsForged upper receiverBolt Carrier GroupCharging Handle PSA Gray Freedom Lower build kit
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$329 with free shipping. Add a $35 poly lower and rear sight and you've got a $400 AR ready to go. Best, no. Workable, yes. (edited)
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/21/2022 12:57 AM
But do they ship to MA?
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/21/2022 1:43 AM
You know the answer to that.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/21/2022 1:59 AM
@Raps [PDX,OR] I know. I just had the tiniest flicker of hope. Thankfully Iโ€™ve already got a milspec one. Just need mags
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/21/2022 2:17 AM
My area is on their way to being like MA. Currently there's a "mag ban" bill that actually puts FFL approval in the hands of the local PD instead of the state police and it's going to upset a lot of shit. If it passes or fails it'll be by a close margin. In 2023 the same group wants to ban semi-auto weapons across the board.
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JohnBrosGhost 9/21/2022 11:38 AM
Ordered February 2020. We didnโ€™t know how good we had it! .26cpr
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Coming from a guy who was primarily .308 up until 3 months ago. I will happily take .62 cpr for 55gr 556
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That's a really good deal
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Zed-Juron
Coming from a guy who was primarily .308 up until 3 months ago. I will happily take .62 cpr for 55gr 556
Raps [PDX,OR] 9/21/2022 7:54 PM
Be better than that. 30cpr should be our ceiling.
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Raps [PDX,OR]
Be better than that. 30cpr should be our ceiling.
Eh I just bought the AR so I needed the ammo for familiarization and a bit of a stock pile. I will be slowing down my ammo purchases.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/21/2022 9:03 PM
Prices are dropping. My addage is buy cheap, stack deep.
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I mean yeah obviously 62 cpr is as cheep as it was getting out here in SC for Winchester 55 grain. Which was the cheapest ammo on the shelf that I could find.
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@Raps [PDX,OR] https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-5-56-nato-55gr-fmj-ammunition-20rd-box.html psa daily deal for 40 cpr not shot this brand before.
Brand: AACBullet  Type: Full Metal JacketCasing: AAC Brass-Boxer Primed, Fully Reloadable Caliber: 5.56 NATOQuantity: 20Bullet Weight: 55grVelocity: 3175 FPS
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/21/2022 9:16 PM
Never heard of it before.
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I'll, pardon the pun, give it a shot
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JohnBrosGhost 9/21/2022 10:36 PM
velocityammosales.com is usually the cheapest i find if you factor in the free shipping on $200+
10:37 PM
literally looking at some green tip there now.
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velocityammosales.com is usually the cheapest i find if you factor in the free shipping on $200+
Raps [PDX,OR] 9/23/2022 4:00 PM
I was fortunate to get in on a private subreddit that has a few distributors who drop sub specific ammo dumps. I've been lucky to get 9mm at 30cpr and 556 at 35cpr for decent stuff.
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One of my last buys was wolf gold at 40cpr which isn't bad under any time frame.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 8:39 PM
The cheapest .223 Iโ€™ve seen is 41cpr. Probably going to dump a few hundred for a case. I need magazines more though
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Do you have a rifle in .223 or can you shoot 5.56 as well? Psa has a combo deal right now that's 200 556 and 10 mags for 179.99
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PMC X-TAC 5.56 NATO Ammo 55 Grain FMJBT, 20 rds/box - 556XSKU: 2516QTY: 10 Magpul PMAG 30 Round Magazine Gen 2 MOE 5.56X45 - MAG571-BLKSKU: 2QTY: 10
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 10:24 PM
@Zed-Juron a rifle in 5.56 can shoot .223, but a rifle in .223 shouldnโ€™t shoot 5.56 http://exclusive.multibriefs.com/content/the-dangers-of-mixing-up-5.56x45mm-nato-and-.223-remington-rounds/recreation-leisure
Even though many people treat the .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm NATO cartridges as interchangeable rounds, this can be a dangerous practice under the wrong circumstances.
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Thatโ€™s a nice pack. Unfortunately, I live in MA; no high cap mags for me, unless pre-ban bought in-state
10:25 PM
I COULD buy magazine rebuild kits, with all the parts for 30 rd mags (for $160; a steal) but they are for parts only*
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@LessthanLoneWolf yeah that's why I asked you mentioned 223 specifically, didn't want your rifle to blow up on you from over pressure. Shame about the mag cap bans though.
10:33 PM
Hopefully they get challenged in court and over turned. If their is one thing this scotus maybe good for its 2a issues.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 10:38 PM
Oh mines 5.56; my brother built 2 rifles to military specs after his first deployment and I bought one
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I see. Making sure the rifle I bought was 5.56 was a big item in my checklist. Last thing I needed was limiting ammo options.
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/23/2022 10:54 PM
Right? Itโ€™s be a rude surprise at the range
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Zed-Juron
Do you have a rifle in .223 or can you shoot 5.56 as well? Psa has a combo deal right now that's 200 556 and 10 mags for 179.99
JohnBrosGhost 9/24/2022 8:49 AM
Literally just bought that. Free shipping made it worth it since I needed new mags.
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Manufacturer - Armscor Bullet - 62 Grain M855 Green Tip Case - Brass Use - Range / Target / Training Quantity - 20 Rounds Per Box [split]  Armscor utilizes high quality components like reloadable brass and M855 Green Tip projectiles this ammunition is sure to feed and function reliably. [split] Armscor USA 5.56 Nato Ca
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JohnBrosGhost
Literally just bought that. Free shipping made it worth it since I needed new mags.
Do people really like x-tac ammo? Or is it a cost thing? Shit seems to be everywhere.
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JohnBrosGhost 9/24/2022 9:04 AM
Cost mostly. But Iโ€™ve never had issues with it. But I rarely take my AR out past 50 yards on dynamic ranges so Iโ€™m not looking for match ammo
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That's what I figured.
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Zed-Juron
Do people really like x-tac ammo? Or is it a cost thing? Shit seems to be everywhere.
Raps [PDX,OR] 9/25/2022 10:56 AM
I get good groups off of their 308. Their 556 is okay but I prefer wolf gold when I can find it for cheap.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/26/2022 1:47 PM
The M7X Series ballistic plates surpass the NIJ 0101.06 Certified Level III standard by providing enhanced special threat capability, positive buoyancy, lighter weight and a 7-year warranty. Consisting of an enhanced polyethylene, ceramic and silica combination, the new M7X Series delivers a lightweight M855* and 7.62×39 MSC ballistic solution. ...
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JohnBrosGhost 9/26/2022 4:08 PM
Wish they still had shooters cut in stock! Sounds perfect, Iโ€™ve been planning on buying the RMA 109x Gen II level 3+ when they drop
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Raps [PDX,OR] 9/26/2022 5:33 PM
I have 1092s and they're okay. Kind of thick and a lil heavy.
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austinwiltshire 9/26/2022 9:30 PM
https://dallassnipertraining.com/ I did this this last weekend Highly recommend, if you're in the DFW area I learned a lot The trainer advertised on /r/liberalgunowners and is a great person. History teacher at a public high school, and trying to teach kids about social and emotional learning (which florida is trying to ban because apparently they like high suicide rates) Was an army sniper
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JohnBrosGhost 9/26/2022 9:54 PM
Glad to hear it, always good to have instructors who are open minded
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thedudewhoknocks 9/28/2022 10:04 PM
who here owns fire arms
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suspiciously_suspicious 9/29/2022 9:24 AM
Only a bow and arrow for now. My dad's estate has several that I have access to, but I don't own those. They also need some TLC.
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thedudewhoknocks
who here owns fire arms
i do, i know a good amount of people here do
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thedudewhoknocks
who here owns fire arms
Raps [PDX,OR] 9/29/2022 4:40 PM
I have two arms that can be set on fire.
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JohnBrosGhost 9/29/2022 7:24 PM
mine are always bare. I just hate sleeves
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spent too long in kentucky. gotta get rid of that farmer's tan
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JohnBrosGhost
spent too long in kentucky. gotta get rid of that farmer's tan
Time to start rocking the g-string to get that Borat tan.
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JohnBrosGhost 9/30/2022 7:08 PM
Plate carrier and a G string it is
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Raps [PDX,OR] 10/1/2022 2:17 PM
Prude
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ccw came in today, pretty much 30 days after I applied. Not bad SC not bad at all.
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@Zed-Juron What different worlds we live in! ๐Ÿ™‚ Story time: I live in the Libbiest of lib liberality, Nancy Pelosi's district. Strict gun laws. They're basically to remain locked up at all time unless you're already dead from the home invasion. But that's fine, they're not for walking around with, cool. Several months ago, we had a shooting down the street at my local bodega. According to my peeps, and the police, a local business owner was walking, hoodlums jump out of the car with guns, jumped him, jack his fancy watch, etc. The victim pulled his illegally carried weapon and headshotted one of the attackers. The other two started to flee, but turned back and shot up the victim while he was tangled in the dead guy who had fallen on him. Last I heard, the victim survived in critical condition, assailants were caught, as much "happy ending" as you could hope for after that shit. In 10+ years, this is only the 2nd shooting I've known of in this area, we're more known for bumfights and car break-ins. Then the family & friends of the robber put up a fucking candle shrine at the spot. I wanted to kick it over, but I have more class. Couple days after the incident, I encounter one of the head cops in the district who I have a little bit of rapport with (that's another story). Basically, he looks like a fucking pig, but he understands the "community policing" philosophy and afaik, isn't a piece of shit like half of them that come and go. So I asked him about the details of the shooting, then I asked about ccw. He said, "I wish more good guys like you would carry." Word for word. But also that it was virtually impossible to get the license even though there is a procedure. The victim of the crime was never charged for a firearm violation, at least. What if I am illegally carrying but committing no other crime and just am honest in a police contact where they ask if I have a weapon?
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Anyway, it was weird to me to have the porkiest pig in the area basically tell me I could carry a firearm and he'd be ok with it. CA's gun laws are pretty crazy and certainly need some adjustments, but at least in my sphere, I am glad that the probability of there being wild guns running around is pretty low. We may have shitty streets in SF, but the only time I've witnessed a shooting myself was in fucking Oakland.
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@Zed-Juron What different worlds we live in! ๐Ÿ™‚ Story time: I live in the Libbiest of lib liberality, Nancy Pelosi's district. Strict gun laws. They're basically to remain locked up at all time unless you're already dead from the home invasion. But that's fine, they're not for walking around with, cool. Several months ago, we had a shooting down the street at my local bodega. According to my peeps, and the police, a local business owner was walking, hoodlums jump out of the car with guns, jumped him, jack his fancy watch, etc. The victim pulled his illegally carried weapon and headshotted one of the attackers. The other two started to flee, but turned back and shot up the victim while he was tangled in the dead guy who had fallen on him. Last I heard, the victim survived in critical condition, assailants were caught, as much "happy ending" as you could hope for after that shit. In 10+ years, this is only the 2nd shooting I've known of in this area, we're more known for bumfights and car break-ins. Then the family & friends of the robber put up a fucking candle shrine at the spot. I wanted to kick it over, but I have more class. Couple days after the incident, I encounter one of the head cops in the district who I have a little bit of rapport with (that's another story). Basically, he looks like a fucking pig, but he understands the "community policing" philosophy and afaik, isn't a piece of shit like half of them that come and go. So I asked him about the details of the shooting, then I asked about ccw. He said, "I wish more good guys like you would carry." Word for word. But also that it was virtually impossible to get the license even though there is a procedure. The victim of the crime was never charged for a firearm violation, at least. What if I am illegally carrying but committing no other crime and just am honest in a police contact where they ask if I have a weapon?
That's a sad store for the owner of that store. But I'm definitely on the other side of the spectrum over here. There is hardly a Monday morning where I don't turn on the news as I drive to work and there isn't some sort of shoot that has happened. It's not uncommon for it to be an officer involved shooting either. Out here if you are carrying and run into a cop (say for a traffics stop) you must disclose your are carrying. When I lived in MN I didn't have to disclose that I was armed at all. There's a balance between the two extremes in our states.
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Zed-Juron
That's a sad store for the owner of that store. But I'm definitely on the other side of the spectrum over here. There is hardly a Monday morning where I don't turn on the news as I drive to work and there isn't some sort of shoot that has happened. It's not uncommon for it to be an officer involved shooting either. Out here if you are carrying and run into a cop (say for a traffics stop) you must disclose your are carrying. When I lived in MN I didn't have to disclose that I was armed at all. There's a balance between the two extremes in our states.
It's an insane problem. I think the evidence shows that the more guns "around" the more shootings there are, while laws are not 100% effective, if they are strict & smart, they can move the needle. But, as a POC, the cop interactions really give me anxiety. One cop basically said "it's good" to my face, but then there's the actual reality of the world out there. Cops who are really pro-gun off duty, suddenly forget that black people have constitutional rights when pulled over for a tail light on the side of a dark country road. Anyway cheers, there definitely is a more sensible middle ground, and room for variance within that middle ground. The lefties need to get over their gun trauma a little bit, and the right needs to get over their racism a little bit and we can live more safely with firearms.
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Does anyone know how modern IV-V gen fighter jets protect themselves against heat seeking missiles?
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1uc2
Does anyone know how modern IV-V gen fighter jets protect themselves against heat seeking missiles?
I think multiple reasons, thermal efficiency on the engines, body work that reduces friction, etc im just a mechanic
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secondary intakes that shoot normal air into the exhaust cooling it. The paint probably has a lot to do with keeping the jet cool. Also Chaff
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They have smart sentries with lasers on them which blind the enemy missile seeker heads.
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Older planes can mount it on a pod, like the F16.
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Newer planes just have what looks like a bunch of little targeting eye modules on all aspects.
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If I had a wish, I'd take something like that to a protest where I thought hostile riflemen might attend.
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Blind riflemen.
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OpenCV, some cheap 4K security cameras, and some Raspberry Pi controlling the laser on 3 servos.
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Detect rifles and faces on the same body, then look for the eyes.
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Flicker the laser to draw the eye, then pulse it to blind the target. Bye bye sight picture.
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Maybe hide the system behind some porn to really draw the eyes.
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Crossbows to cryptography. All tech rolls downhill.
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JohnBrosGhost 10/4/2022 11:20 AM
CONTRACT OVERRUN - 2016 DATE OF MANUFACTURER ALL SALES FINAL High performance Advanced Combat Helmet (ACH) from Custom Armor Group. This is a level IIIA standard cut ACH helmet. Level IIIA protected against handgun ammunition and has been tested to NIJ Standard 0101.06. While helmets are not rated by the NIJ, this helm
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If you need a helmet and donโ€™t need to be tacticool with a FAST, $99 is a great deal.
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JohnBrosGhost
If you need a helmet and donโ€™t need to be tacticool with a FAST, $99 is a great deal.
Tacticool? That helmet is down right tacticold (edited)
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Casey
Tacticool? That helmet is down right tacticold (edited)
JohnBrosGhost 10/4/2022 12:50 PM
Yes. Saying fast helmets are tacticool these are practicool if ya canโ€™t afford a 700$ FAST
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I looked at team Wendy the other day and they wanted like 1200
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For their helmet
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JohnBrosGhost 10/4/2022 3:01 PM
Yeah. I have a surplus ACH if shit really hits the fan, but 9/10 Iโ€™m going hat or bump helmet
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Pretty much same, field cap and ear pro for me.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/4/2022 3:52 PM
Unfortunately it's sold out now.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 10/4/2022 8:30 PM
"Level IIIA protected against handgun ammunition and has been tested to NIJ Standard 0101.06. While helmets are not rated by the NIJ, this helmet has been tested and verified to meet or exceed ballistic resistance as specified under NIJ Standard 0101.06 by an NIJ accredited laboratory." I would look to see if this company is recommended by the NIJ before buying this.
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WojtektheBear 10/5/2022 10:02 AM
Lmfao look at what CATO is saying about SRA and JBGC: https://www.cato.org/events/domestic-extremism-political-violence-threat-liberty
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Hahaha, the fear mongering. Hopefully it's a little bit of a wake up call that the right isn't the only part of the nation that's armed.
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Lmfao look at what CATO is saying about SRA and JBGC: https://www.cato.org/events/domestic-extremism-political-violence-threat-liberty
Is the American political and judicial system capable of preventing these groups from becoming an endemic threat to public safety and the functioning of our republic? Only one side is a threat to public safety and the functioning of our republic. The other side is a response to said threat. CATO can suck a dick. More info on this sad excuse for a "think tank": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute Charles Koch was a founder. (edited)
The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1977 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Koch Industries. Cato was established to have a focus on public advocacy, media exposure and societal influence. According to the 20...
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Lmfao look at what CATO is saying about SRA and JBGC: https://www.cato.org/events/domestic-extremism-political-violence-threat-liberty
@Steve Mike Conveniently enough this page contains organizations that ought to be considered for inclusion on the "Our Friends" page.
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WojtektheBear 10/5/2022 9:06 PM
They do trainings and stuff
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gonna post a couple of daily deals from PSA here specifically for ammo.
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Manufacturer: PMC Ammunition Model Number: 5.56X Ammo Bullet Type: Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail Ammo Casing Type: Brass Ammo Bullet Weight: 55 grain Ammo Round Count: 20/Box Caliber Multi: 5.56x45mm NATO Muzzle Energy: 1306 lb/ft Muzzle Velocity: 3270 fps Application: Range, Practice, Protection Series/Collection: X-TAC Ballistic Coeff...
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xtac at .45/ round
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100 bucks for an ar lower and a dagger frame
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IvanAlbright 10/6/2022 9:53 AM
I like PMC. Most of my stock reserves are PMC.
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Download and print this target for the range or dryfire practice at home!**This is a free download. Just add it to your cart and you will receive a link to download it in the thank you page of the checkout, along with an emailed link that will last for 30 days. This image is 6375 x 8250 and can be printed from a standard printer or scaled to a r...
Download and print this target for the range or dryfire practice at home!**This is a free download. Just add it to your cart and you will receive a link to download it in the thank you page of the checkout, along with an emailed link that will last for 30 days. This image is 6375 x 8250 and can be printed from a standard printer or scaled to a r...
Download and print this target for the range or dryfire practice at home!**This is a free download. Just add it to your cart and you will receive a link to download it in the thank you page of the checkout, along with an emailed link that will last for 30 days. This image is 6375 x 8250 and can be printed from a standard printer or scaled to a r...
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Did you know that October is #LGBTQ+ History Month? LGBTQ+ rights and gun reform are linked, as gun violence disproportionally affects the LGBTQ+ community. In the fight to end gun violence, we must uplift LGBTQ+ voices and #DisarmHate.
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Disarm Hate<Arm Pride (edited)
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JohnBrosGhost 10/7/2022 9:21 AM
Disarm hateโ€ฆ.. wellโ€ฆ yesโ€ฆ I mean, Iโ€™m down to disarm bigots and arm LGBTQ folks!
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/10/2022 5:14 PM
Sorry that was your experience. Iโ€™m still waiting too; I wasnโ€™t expecting its take that long
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Yeah that was my experience joining as well, that and the vetting process was all about my knowledge of leftists theory.
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yeah the SRA is practically scared of its own shadow. Hard to build anything of value with and attitude like that.
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ah man that sucks, Ive been pretty luck with ranges only requiring range membership.
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then again everyone is constantly plugging carry insurance lmao.
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yeah thats what I'd do.
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definitely visit before and get a feel for the culture. Who knows you may get lucky.
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them and John Brown gun club seem to have active chapters in certain areas.
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thats definitely worth checking out then. My nearest LGC chapter is like 4 hours away, so Im SOL there lol
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Yeah, something closer would be great. I'm pretty much in a desert out here
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/10/2022 8:26 PM
@heinz_ketchup I have never before heard of the Liberal Gun Club, ever. And they seemโ€ฆ reasonable. Which is a nice relief from the either โ€œBAN ALL GUNSโ€ or โ€œmEh FREEdum! โ€˜Murica!โ€ You usually see
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@heinz_ketchup and a $10 yearly membership? Thatโ€™s not bad at all
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Hell, the SRA is like $20, right?
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I like it!
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Raps [PDX,OR] 10/10/2022 9:22 PM
The SRA is essentially falling apart at the seams.
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I wish it wasn't so but as a national org and non hierarchical local orgs it's insanely stupid how nonfunctioning it is.
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Like just when you think the org will collectively get it's shit together it doesn't then it starts to unravel again.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/10/2022 10:32 PM
Thatโ€™s ridiculous
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/11/2022 1:06 AM
Sounds like they're taking tips from the California DOJ.
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I've seen it take years for people to even get the CCW interview.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 10/11/2022 6:56 AM
What local is that if you don't mind me asking?
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JohnBrosGhost 10/11/2022 9:09 AM
$150--- Ridiculous deal on a PSA complete lower + Geissele SSA-E trigger & FCG. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-moe-plus-ssa-e-lower-black-5165491302.html
PSA AR-15 Complete Lower - PSA AR15 Complete MOE Plus SSA-E Lower, Black, No Magazine SKU: 5165491302   Fire Control Group: Geissele Super Semi-Automatic Enhanced (SSA-E) Trigger Type: 2 Stage 1st Stage Weight: 2.3lbs. 2nd Stage Weight: 1.2lbs. Total Pull Weight: 3.5lbs. Adjustable: No Recommended Use:  Target Shooting, Precision Shooti...
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$150--- Ridiculous deal on a PSA complete lower + Geissele SSA-E trigger & FCG. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-moe-plus-ssa-e-lower-black-5165491302.html
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Raps [PDX,OR] 10/11/2022 12:36 PM
That deal was done and over inside an hour of being posted on gundeals.
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JohnBrosGhost
$150--- Ridiculous deal on a PSA complete lower + Geissele SSA-E trigger & FCG. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-moe-plus-ssa-e-lower-black-5165491302.html
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/11/2022 4:18 PM
weeps in Californian
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weeps in Californian
IvanAlbright 10/12/2022 1:22 PM
The first thing I did when I left California was switch out my sparrow grip with a MOE pistol grip and my fixed stock with a collapsible. The grip actually makes a much bigger difference than I thought it would. Honestly, the collapsible stock I could take or leave. The thing I liked about the fixed stock was that it didn't shake and rattle.
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IvanAlbright 10/12/2022 1:56 PM
But California laws regarding "assault weapons" are mind-numbingly stupid. They literally don't make a lick of sense. Like who came up with that idea? It's the blind leading the blind and it was the main reason I started questing all gun control laws and doing research into its racist/classist history. (edited)
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JohnBrosGhost 10/12/2022 8:38 PM
Iโ€™ve been wanting to do a DMR build so glad I snagged one for that.
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Does anyone have an opinion on psa ak74s? I'm looking at getting into the platform and a 5.45 rifle is interesting.
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Zed-Juron
Does anyone have an opinion on psa ak74s? I'm looking at getting into the platform and a 5.45 rifle is interesting.
the platform itself is very reliable and easy to work on, and PSA deals on them are ridiculous. I think they had a โ€œbuy an AK, get a daggerโ€ combo a bit ago, maybe still do
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slap a Vortex strike eagle (you can get them $160 shipped w/ cantilever mount) rn and youโ€™re good to go. The caliber is probably a bit much for HD applications but fine for SHTF/range time. If youโ€™re goin deep down the shtf rabbit hole though, you canโ€™t beat the availability of .223/.556 in the US
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also promo code 250-Eagle for that discount, ordered mine last night (normal $400 scope and $120 mount lol)
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slap a Vortex strike eagle (you can get them $160 shipped w/ cantilever mount) rn and youโ€™re good to go. The caliber is probably a bit much for HD applications but fine for SHTF/range time. If youโ€™re goin deep down the shtf rabbit hole though, you canโ€™t beat the availability of .223/.556 in the US
Yeah I already have an ar that I quite like for shtf. But have always wanted an AK of some type. And the price is a huge plus. Good to know that reliability has increased from the initial run.
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definitely a get what you pay for situation but fine for a first
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Yeah I already have an ar that I quite like for shtf. But have always wanted an AK of some type. And the price is a huge plus. Good to know that reliability has increased from the initial run.
Raps [PDX,OR] 10/13/2022 3:58 PM
x39 is nice to shoot for affordabilities sake but as has been said, it's not a precision round like 556. That being said, the gen3 PSAKs are supposed to be better than a wasr10/zpap but not as good as an arsenal.
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x39 is nice to shoot for affordabilities sake but as has been said, it's not a precision round like 556. That being said, the gen3 PSAKs are supposed to be better than a wasr10/zpap but not as good as an arsenal.
Yeah and arsenal is gonna run you about twice the price. I also had not considered round cost when comparing the two.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 4:17 PM
@Zed-Juron donโ€™t forget about magazines too. If youโ€™re in a state where you arenโ€™t banned from 30 rd mags, no worries. If you are and want to do it legally, pre-ban 30rd mags will run you a few hundred for a battle pack (10 mags)
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@Zed-Juron donโ€™t forget about magazines too. If youโ€™re in a state where you arenโ€™t banned from 30 rd mags, no worries. If you are and want to do it legally, pre-ban 30rd mags will run you a few hundred for a battle pack (10 mags)
I'm in sc, mag bans are def not a thing out here.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 4:24 PM
@Zed-Juron Thatโ€™s good. Iโ€™m in MA, so itโ€™s been more difficult. My AK is probably my main because I canโ€™t get enough mags for my AR
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@Zed-Juron Thatโ€™s good. Iโ€™m in MA, so itโ€™s been more difficult. My AK is probably my main because I canโ€™t get enough mags for my AR
Interesting, there is always the what they do out in CO and buy magazine repair kits. But mag bans are dumb.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 4:32 PM
Yeah, Iโ€™ve been looking at mag repair kits for my existing pre ban stuff
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Yeah, Iโ€™ve been looking at mag repair kits for my existing pre ban stuff
I'm assuming those kits are much more expensive than buying the mag outright, or you'd be all over them.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 4:35 PM
@Zed-Juron actually theyโ€™re much cheaper. Iโ€™m just cautious because theyโ€™d need to be shipped to MA and I get anxious/paranoid
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@Zed-Juron actually theyโ€™re much cheaper. Iโ€™m just cautious because theyโ€™d need to be shipped to MA and I get anxious/paranoid
Ah yeah I get that. Being forced to exploit legal loopholes would make me apprehensive. It's definitely put me off buying a braced pistol for the time being. Can't imagine what that would be like for something comparatively basic as magazines.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 4:42 PM
Right? Itโ€™d be nice to not need loopholes as a law abiding citizen, but liberal gun laws are a bit much sometimes
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Right? Itโ€™d be nice to not need loopholes as a law abiding citizen, but liberal gun laws are a bit much sometimes
That's why I liked MNs gun laws while I lived there. Struck a nice balance. SC is arguably too far in the other direction. It's nice being so easy. But also I've stopped and thought man, this maybe a little too easy ya know?
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/13/2022 5:49 PM
Some gun control is okay; too much is bad. Itโ€™s hard to find a middle though
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Agreed
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Gun control laws written by people who actually know how firearms work and the culture behind them would be nice lol
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Yeah I feel like there's got to be some middle ground between the two extremes. But everyone gets so worked up about it, in many cases understandably bc they've lost a loved one, and it makes it really hard to get any kind of handle on the actual facts. Like I'd really love to see some research into gun control that's not just the pro- or anti-gun lobby pushing an agenda but actually someone trying to figure out what works best for American society right now
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/14/2022 12:11 AM
Unfortunately, that's not going to happen because when it comes to politicians who push gun control, the saying "Give an inch and they'll take a mile" is all too true. Source: I live in California and the gun laws are utterly asenine.
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And don't even get me started on the ATF.
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Gun control laws written by people who actually know how firearms work and the culture behind them would be nice lol
Raps [PDX,OR] 10/14/2022 9:14 AM
My point of contention is that a large number of mass shooters have been reported to the police to do something, yet here I sit a police abolitionist wishing the police would have done something.
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I mean Iโ€™m with ya there, donโ€™t see much point in trying to โ€œreformโ€ a system that fundamentally broken either
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I propose we replace the system...Literally, form a alternative policing system. Might be tricky because of legal framework, but its a idea we could pitch
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propose it as a "alternative" to policing
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Neighborhood watches are legal depending where you live yeah. Provided maintaining one is apparently a nightmare (my Neighborhood used to have one back in the 2000s but they could never get enough manpower or interest in it long enough) (edited)
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The idea I'm suggesting is a form of both community defense and to minimize the need for cops
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Raps [PDX,OR] 10/16/2022 12:05 AM
Ideally community safe guarding would be a thing but that leaves a lot up to the community itself. I feel like redesigning place orgs to work first as community representatives is a start.
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Two male juveniles were apprehended Sunday afternoon after a replica gun in their possession set off speculation on social media that there may have been an active shooter event at the Forest Park Walmart, 1300 Des Plaines Ave. in Forest Park. โ€œIt was just a replica gun. No one was shot,โ€ said Forest Park Mayor [โ€ฆ]
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/16/2022 7:23 PM
What the fuck is wrong with people?
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The paint isn't dry on this story, so I'll provide an update, but I wanted to raise the awareness of the appearance of fake firearm stunts, and the danger of escalation they create.
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JohnBrosGhost 10/17/2022 9:37 AM
if anyone needs ammo, Velocity Ammo has $10 off $200 +free shipping. code is giveme10
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https://youtu.be/7vXeUUEDpvM <-- interesting for multiple reasons: is firearms training a bad idea? Lots of nuance to explore.
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Those guys appear to be pushing an accelerationist agenda sneakily, by promoting the idea that the right to carry is tantamount to the right to kill when asserting feelings of fear.
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AarborneDivision 10/18/2022 3:27 PM
I tend to think that more training, especially including de-escalation, is part of the responsibility of firearm ownership, and that (at least in my state of VA) current training courses are not nearly enough to be competent in a self defense situation. I understand the point that they're trying to make, and it's important to be aware of how you actions look in a legal sense. But ultimately these defenses are in place because people absolutely do act out of fear, manufacture scenarios, and go out looking for trouble. From personal experience I know so many people with the "I wish somebody would come at me" mentality, so these ideas are not entirely without merit. Especially when it comes to law enforcement, at least in my state, "I was afraid" is basically a get out of jail free card when it comes to using deadly force. That being said I definitely agree with the sentiment "don't talk about it in a public setting." Yes be aware. No, do not dismiss these concerns because they're coming from prosecution.
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AarborneDivision 10/18/2022 3:52 PM
I appreciate the take the second video has
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I tend to think that more training, especially including de-escalation, is part of the responsibility of firearm ownership, and that (at least in my state of VA) current training courses are not nearly enough to be competent in a self defense situation. I understand the point that they're trying to make, and it's important to be aware of how you actions look in a legal sense. But ultimately these defenses are in place because people absolutely do act out of fear, manufacture scenarios, and go out looking for trouble. From personal experience I know so many people with the "I wish somebody would come at me" mentality, so these ideas are not entirely without merit. Especially when it comes to law enforcement, at least in my state, "I was afraid" is basically a get out of jail free card when it comes to using deadly force. That being said I definitely agree with the sentiment "don't talk about it in a public setting." Yes be aware. No, do not dismiss these concerns because they're coming from prosecution.
Yeah in my last ccw class they pointed out that if you trained to much the prosecution can turn that into "this guy is looking to get into a fight"
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Also that sheep dog mentality that's shown up in the past couple of years is super toxic
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/20/2022 1:24 PM
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That is fucking dope!
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JohnBrosGhost 10/22/2022 9:59 AM
Going to pick up my new lower today. Just got a manicure yesterday. These Indiana FFLs gonโ€™ be real confused now.
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Going to pick up my new lower today. Just got a manicure yesterday. These Indiana FFLs gonโ€™ be real confused now.
Share when you get it homie.
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Share when you get it homie.
JohnBrosGhost 10/22/2022 3:08 PM
Picked up the new PSA lower with gieselle trigger group and moe stock. Paired it with a Wylde 1/8 upper to eek out some accuracy for a solid multipurpose rifle
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PA 1-4c scope to boot. More upgrades to come
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JohnBrosGhost 10/22/2022 3:10 PM
Trying to craft mission spec load outs. But needed an all around
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My setup ๐Ÿ™‚
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Picked up the new PSA lower with gieselle trigger group and moe stock. Paired it with a Wylde 1/8 upper to eek out some accuracy for a solid multipurpose rifle
Raps [PDX,OR] 10/23/2022 1:45 AM
That was an insane deal. I should have jumped on it.
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Opinions on this complete? It's included in PSA's "Halloween Sale". I'm looking to get a 5.56 complete. https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-psa-pa-15-16-nitride-m4-carbine-5-56-nato-classic-ar-15-rifle-with-13-5-m-lok-rail-black.html
Barrel Length: 16โ€Barrel Material: 4150V Chrome Moly Vanadium SteelBarrel Finish: NitrideBarrel Profile: M4Chamber: 5.56 NATOTwist Rate: 1 in 7โ€Extension: M4Gas System: Carbine-LengthGas Block Type: Low Profile .750โ€ DiameterUpper Receiver: Forged 7075 T6 AluminumReceiver Style: M4 Flat top with feed rampsReceiver Finish: Hardcoat AnodizedForwar...
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JohnBrosGhost 10/23/2022 9:53 AM
Idk if youโ€™d feel comfortable assembling one, but if I were looking to buy a lock, stock n barrel standard PSA AR, Iโ€™d probably pick this one up https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-13-5-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-rifle-kit-with-mbus-sight-set-gray-5165449537.html
Barrel Length: 16" Gas System: Midlength  Barrel Profile: A2 Barrel Steel: 4150 Chrome-Moly Vanadium Barrel Finish: Nitride Chrome Lining: None Muzzle Thread: 1/2-28 Chamber: 5.56 NATO Twist Rate: 1:7 Barrel Extension: M4 Diameter at Gas Block: .750 Gas Block Type: Low-profile Muzzle Device: A2 Flash Hider Receiver Material: Forged 7075 T6 Recei...
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Add in a $50 lower and youโ€™ve got a 470 range ready rifle with buis
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Or usually an upper plus complete lower is cheaper than a complete rifle
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Idk if youโ€™d feel comfortable assembling one, but if I were looking to buy a lock, stock n barrel standard PSA AR, Iโ€™d probably pick this one up https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-13-5-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-rifle-kit-with-mbus-sight-set-gray-5165449537.html
Eh fuck it, itโ€™ll be good experience why not
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For a starter rifle, PSA is okay assuming your budget is limited. But then again my first build was a Spike's Stripped Lower with DD LPK, Vltor A5 buffer spring, DDM4v11 upper which set me back $1300 :X but the quality and longevity is amazing after 7k rounds put through it over 7 years.
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Me waiting for my body armor to ship
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Me waiting for my body armor to ship
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/24/2022 5:14 PM
I'll join you.
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JohnBrosGhost 10/26/2022 8:53 AM
Whereโ€™d you order from?
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Whereโ€™d you order from?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/26/2022 9:16 AM
Bulletproof Zone. Had a vest on sale for 50% off.
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Whereโ€™d you order from?
Alex armor, got a couple of level IV plates. They finally shipped this morning. Should be here Saturday.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/26/2022 1:11 PM
I need to get a ceramic set.
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Alex armor, got a couple of level IV plates. They finally shipped this morning. Should be here Saturday.
JohnBrosGhost 10/26/2022 1:44 PM
Nice, RMA or Highcom?
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Either way, solid stuff. Just remember to do lots of cardio and training with em cause level 4s get heavy fast!
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Nice, RMA or Highcom?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 10/26/2022 3:11 PM
Top looks like the lovechild of an AK and the FN SCAR.
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Might be the best gun-related deal I've seen all year. $500 M&P-15 with MLOK
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Raps [PDX,OR] 10/27/2022 10:45 PM
That's the pre covid price for this rifle and still $50 too much if you ask me.
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Can't wait for work to be over, common 3:45.
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Can't wait for work to be over, common 3:45.
niceee
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niceee
Yeah they are nice plates, but man, I knew they were gonna be heavy, but the weight was still surprising.
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ive been considering some gear
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i have no idea where to start though and it all seems quite expensive
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/29/2022 5:47 PM
Ceramic plates are a few hundred now; much cheaper than when I bought my steel plates.
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If you have an AR, try to get mags for it.
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i have no idea where to start though and it all seems quite expensive
It's very expensive, some sites off payment plans through shop or PayPal if you use those often. That way you aren't paying all upfront. I'd start with a basic rifle, then mags and ammo, then a chest rig/ plate carrier.
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I didn't know about the payment plans so I payed for the carrier up front back in February. And it's been a glorified chest right until yesterday.
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JohnBrosGhost 10/29/2022 9:24 PM
I switched out my level 4 8lb plates for some 3+ plates at 5lbs and it was a gamechanger
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i have no idea where to start though and it all seems quite expensive
Yes it all really is overpriced, but a lot of the expensive stuff also is good quality. I'm just about ready to go the local army surplus store and just buy up all the old GWOT shit I was issued back in the day.
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/31/2022 6:02 AM
How are these looking? 16 lbs, ceramic
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@Zed-Juron think these are the same as yours. You like them?
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@LessthanLoneWolf yeah I like them, good for the cost
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/31/2022 7:16 AM
@Zed-Juron awesome. Iโ€™m going to bite the bullet and pick them up
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@Zed-Juron awesome. Iโ€™m going to bite the bullet and pick them up
Solid choice.
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JohnBrosGhost 10/31/2022 10:08 AM
Theyโ€™re the best for the price. I have a pair. Just heavy. Make sure to do some extra squats
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/1/2022 10:18 AM
How much are they?
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I went with 1092 iii+ plates to save a little weight and I believe I got multi-curve for a similar or cheaper price.
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Raps [PDX,OR]
How much are they?
289.99 plus shipping which was 20 bucks
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I went with 1092 iii+ plates to save a little weight and I believe I got multi-curve for a similar or cheaper price.
JohnBrosGhost 11/1/2022 12:00 PM
I've got the same ones. My old man knees thank me after using the 8lblevel 4s for years.
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But then I just added more weight in mags, so it's a wash!
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/1/2022 1:01 PM
How many magazines are you carrying?
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Also, with the III+ plates I added side sapis.
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JohnBrosGhost 11/1/2022 1:49 PM
I carry 4 on my PC and 2 rifle 1 pistol on my belt + 1 in rifle for 210 rifle and 34 pistol. After reading a lot of reports from urban warfare, itโ€™s clear that suppressive fire and therefore lots of rounds, is crucial.
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/1/2022 1:51 PM
@JohnBrosGhost standard combat load is ten mags, right? Hope youโ€™ve got an ifak to go with all that
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@JohnBrosGhost standard combat load is ten mags, right? Hope youโ€™ve got an ifak to go with all that
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Ifak in dangler. Ifak on belt. Ifak on assault pack.
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Also, with the III+ plates I added side sapis.
JohnBrosGhost 11/1/2022 2:20 PM
Nice. I run iiia side plates in cumberbund- but probably need to pick up some hard plates just in case
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woah love that AIF patch, where did you get it?
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woah love that AIF patch, where did you get it?
JohnBrosGhost 11/1/2022 2:52 PM
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Had to sew velcro on to the back. Not sure if Krat still runs/monitors the BigCartel site tho
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hm i tried to buy one of those around feb 21, never got it though
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when did you buy it
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JohnBrosGhost 11/1/2022 2:56 PM
like 2-3 years ago
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haha
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Might message Krat
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I carry 4 on my PC and 2 rifle 1 pistol on my belt + 1 in rifle for 210 rifle and 34 pistol. After reading a lot of reports from urban warfare, itโ€™s clear that suppressive fire and therefore lots of rounds, is crucial.
Raps [PDX,OR] 11/1/2022 2:57 PM
This is one of those pieces of info that keeps getting passed around that makes me want to punch myself in the face.
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I can't get into it right now but I'll address it later.
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@JohnBrosGhost standard combat load is ten mags, right? Hope youโ€™ve got an ifak to go with all that
Raps [PDX,OR] 11/1/2022 2:59 PM
Combat load for most SOPs is 6+1 IME that's incredibly excessive to run on a kit.
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Raps [PDX,OR]
Combat load for most SOPs is 6+1 IME that's incredibly excessive to run on a kit.
I am carrying a similar amount of ammo in mags, plus 100 more loose. And it's still only 30 pounds extra with plates and stuff. (edited)
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That's compared to my bundeswher larp stuff which is like 70 pounds w/out plates. If you can handle that weight you should carry it. There are no guarantees of being able to get more.
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JeganCustom 11/3/2022 11:41 AM
cz is having a mail in rebate if anyone wants to pick up some Czech goodness
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Lucky Devil Tactical 11/3/2022 11:57 AM
Ooooo we doing kit pics?
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Oh it wonโ€™t let me post a picโ€ฆ says file too big ๐Ÿ˜’
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Lucky Devil Tactical 11/3/2022 2:41 PM
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Donโ€™t understand how this will go through but the pic taken on the exact same phone of the gear laid out is too big a file ๐Ÿ˜’
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There, I cropped it in a bit
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Slowly building out my PC for a 5.56 rig, but we just moved twice this past year so itโ€™s not far along.
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that scorpion is awesome. I so want one
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is that a sticker wrap or a paint job?
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Lucky Devil Tactical 11/3/2022 2:57 PM
Itโ€™s a cerakote job, I love how it came out
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nice
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/3/2022 5:23 PM
But y u set up your PCC like a lefty if you sling righty?
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But y u set up your PCC like a lefty if you sling righty?
Lucky Devil Tactical 11/3/2022 6:30 PM
Why is it set up like a lefty?
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JohnBrosGhost 11/3/2022 7:37 PM
Nice, I've always wanted a pcc loadout, cerakote looks good
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Nice, I've always wanted a pcc loadout, cerakote looks good
Lucky Devil Tactical 11/3/2022 7:41 PM
Thanks!
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Why is it set up like a lefty?
Raps [PDX,OR] 11/3/2022 8:32 PM
So typically if you're right handed you want to run a WML on the right side of your weapon, leaving the left side "slick". This is done to keep tight when pie-ing off corners in CQB/MOUT operations.
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So typically if you're right handed you want to run a WML on the right side of your weapon, leaving the left side "slick". This is done to keep tight when pie-ing off corners in CQB/MOUT operations.
Lucky Devil Tactical 11/3/2022 8:33 PM
But if itโ€™s on the right side of the weapon I canโ€™t actuate it with my left hand
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/3/2022 8:34 PM
Tape switch, breh.
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Or mod button.
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It's up to you.
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Lucky Devil Tactical 11/3/2022 8:39 PM
Iโ€™ll deal with the consequences of a left side mounted WML so that it fits in the case ๐Ÿคฃ
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decorated my ear pro
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Might apply for a firearms license some day
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curcale
decorated my ear pro
Lol I did the same thing a while back to muh headphones
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nice nice ive been wanting to shoot again, but my pistol is on recall and i have to send it back to ruger before i can shoot it again
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curcale
nice nice ive been wanting to shoot again, but my pistol is on recall and i have to send it back to ruger before i can shoot it again
Lucky Devil Tactical 11/4/2022 10:26 AM
Oh damn which one?
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knuckles
Might apply for a firearms license some day
Lucky Devil Tactical 11/4/2022 10:26 AM
10/10 recommend
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Lucky Devil Tactical
Oh damn which one?
ruger mk 4
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ruger mk 4
Lucky Devil Tactical 11/4/2022 12:15 PM
I hadnโ€™t heard of their recall, then again I donโ€™t have one
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Lucky Devil Tactical
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It's extremely hard in my state, but I'm gonna try
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They recently made it harder with a law requiring training, but I support that measure. The other stuff is like a bunch of fees, and the need for three references and stuff
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My brother went to the police station recently to drop off a $2 check for something regarding his license cuz they don't take cash
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Then I'll figure out what kind of handgun I'll buy
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One of the good things about being in Texas is getting the tools to defend from fascists is easy
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Hell, getting the tools to defend yourself in general
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In my state, I can't even take my gun outside of my house unless it's to take it directly to a gun range
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Or hunting
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Can't carry a gun unless a judge determines I have a "valid reason" for it
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Can't carry a gun unless a judge determines I have a "valid reason" for it
Lucky Devil Tactical 11/4/2022 3:49 PM
I think that shouldโ€™ve just changed with a recent Supreme Court ruling
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I donโ€™t think they can require a reason anymore, New York and Massachusetts have had to switch from may issue to shall issue because of it
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Lucky Devil Tactical
I donโ€™t think they can require a reason anymore, New York and Massachusetts have had to switch from may issue to shall issue because of it
Yep all new licenses are unrestricted in MA now and you can ask the PD who issued yours to remove the restriction if you already have a restricted LTC from before
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/6/2022 7:06 PM
@OkraMonk what? Awesome!
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Lucky Devil Tactical 11/7/2022 6:55 PM
Just sighted in my rifle today, been putting that off for months.
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JohnBrosGhost 11/7/2022 9:27 PM
Just noticed that palmetto state switched the "donate to NRA" at checkout tab to "Donate to GOA" .... which I guess is better?
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Everyone with gear should put some rounds down range and show off tight groups with target photos ๐Ÿ˜‰
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I never get pics of targets because I don't want to wait for the next cease fire to go get them
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Duct tape your phone to a telescope!
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The camera lens goes right up to the eyepiece, and even autofocus works.
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Lucky Devil Tactical 11/8/2022 9:57 AM
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Not the best Iโ€™ve ever done, but itโ€™s been a long year of not shooting
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These are from last month at 25yards
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Didnโ€™t get pics at the rifle range yesterday
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Best place for i voted stickers
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/8/2022 10:04 PM
So jelly of that ptr-91
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Technically it's the c308 but they are virtually the same rifle. I've just dressed it up with surplus g3 furniture.
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But it's a ton of fun to shoot, if heavy.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/8/2022 10:51 PM
No HK slap?
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The HK slap is the best part of the rifle
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Yes HK slap
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/9/2022 9:57 AM
If the reliability of those rifles is up there then I may buy one. I see that sportsman's warehouse has one for 700.
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There is a few hundred round break in period for ptr rifles. My only issue was with a shit mag that I got out of the box. And mags are dirt cheap.
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I also had to lube it a bunch out of the box as well.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/9/2022 7:48 PM
Sounds like normal new gun stuff.
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If you're ok with that like I was then you should be good to go. It's a solid rifle.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/9/2022 9:44 PM
I'm gonna hold off for now. I did buy 10 hk91 mags though.
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What's the best way to sell some guns to make sure they don't go to fascists? I inherited a lot of stuff and do not need all this.
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Leftist gun clubs
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hrm. I kind of assumed they would already have what they need but I guess that's not necessarily true
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What's the best way to sell some guns to make sure they don't go to fascists? I inherited a lot of stuff and do not need all this.
Raps [PDX,OR] 11/9/2022 9:52 PM
No real way to tell for sure unless you do a p2p sale.
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Raps [PDX,OR]
No real way to tell for sure unless you do a p2p sale.
yeah, I have no problem with that, but finding people is hard. I'll have to find some JBGCs around me.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/9/2022 10:00 PM
Good luck.
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Do you have to get rid of them soon or can you hold on to them and offer them up after you vet potential buyers?
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No rush at all
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rathernot123 11/9/2022 10:30 PM
Hey soooooo whatโ€™s the deal with this case (edited)
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โ€œThis action challenges the constitutionality of certain provisions of MASS. GEN. LAWS ch. 140, §§ 121 and 131M (the โ€œStatutesโ€). The Statutes ban (1) certain semi-automatic firearms that are held by millions of law-abiding American citizens for lawful purposes and (2) certain firearm magazines that are held by millions of law-abiding American citizens for lawful purposes. โ€œ
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/9/2022 11:05 PM
@rathernot123 it looks like theyโ€™re trying to loosen gun laws in MA. Iโ€™m down
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I need mags for my AR
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rathernot123 11/9/2022 11:06 PM
this is both ar and magazine
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This is firearms porn. No stupid fat guy cheesecake with bullshit gear like some kind of hypermasculinity cosplay. Put mass on target. Yass.
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JohnBrosGhost 11/10/2022 7:00 PM
With supply stacking up at warehouses- Iโ€™m hopeful that there might be some halfway decent Black Friday deals this year. Need a new LPVO and will never pass up ammo deals!
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/11/2022 4:00 PM
Get after it, krang.
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my first optic, so excited to use it on my ruger
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/11/2022 11:20 PM
It's an okay optic. Personally I wouldn't use it as a main on a rifle unless it was a .22
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What do you want to do with it?
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/12/2022 12:14 PM
Got 4 pre-ban AR mags, 30 rd. Take that Healy!
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Just need extra parts to keep them โ€œmaintained.โ€ https://maggedsupplyllc.com/magpul-pmag-moe-5-56-30-round-black-rebuild-kit-pack-of-5/
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purposefully not buying any mags right now so that Oregonians can get all they need
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JohnBrosGhost 11/12/2022 1:04 PM
I think it was when Colorado banned hi cap mags, retailers were prioritizing their orders in the ensuing days so they could get โ€˜em all out in time
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/12/2022 5:49 PM
I live in MA; Iโ€™ll take any I can get
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 11/12/2022 8:57 PM
Finally picked up my Glock today.
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/12/2022 10:17 PM
@Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy pretty
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Shoot it yet?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 11/12/2022 10:19 PM
Not yet. Going to do some training first.
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Plus I need some cleaning supplies for it.
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Got 4 pre-ban AR mags, 30 rd. Take that Healy!
Lucky Devil Tactical 11/12/2022 11:03 PM
Ugh donโ€™t get me started on Healeyโ€ฆ I canโ€™t believe Maura Friggin Healey was our best option
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/13/2022 12:13 AM
@Lucky Devil Tactical right? Still, better than a wanna be fascist.
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rathernot123 11/13/2022 1:06 AM
Not wanna be an actual fascist (has friends in nsc 131 dash alert did a thing on him when he became a candidate)
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100yards with my Sig M400 and an unzeroed 9x
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I don't think I like this optic. i couldn't even tell you who made it
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i've been thinking about trying to get some sort of 32acp like a beretta cheetah or similar if I can find it. maybe i'll settle for a 327mag revolver. I have a lot more fun shooting the small caliber pistols. even going from 9mm to 380 is a lot more fun. less blast and recoil but still pew pew.
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i've been thinking about trying to get some sort of 32acp like a beretta cheetah or similar if I can find it. maybe i'll settle for a 327mag revolver. I have a lot more fun shooting the small caliber pistols. even going from 9mm to 380 is a lot more fun. less blast and recoil but still pew pew.
hucklebearer 11/16/2022 3:08 PM
Before .22LR became exorbitantly expensive it was my preferred way to keep my firearms skills in shape. Doesn't have to be sexy to be effective.
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heinz_ketchup 11/16/2022 4:14 PM
its hard to beat a ruger mkIV
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its hard to beat a ruger mkIV
hucklebearer 11/16/2022 4:26 PM
Chef's kiss
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That post got removed. What did it say?
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JohnBrosGhost 11/16/2022 6:54 PM
My guess is- wait until Black Friday and after to buy guns. Inventory has been piling up recently and prices have been falling fast.
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/16/2022 7:15 PM
What about ammo prices? Think those will go up or down?
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heinz_ketchup 11/16/2022 8:35 PM
I'd expect if gun prices are dropping, ammo prices will drop
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since maybe August/September the local academy has been fully stocked on ammo. hadn't seen that in 2 years. been happily loading up.
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although their selection is still pretty shit. loads of 9mm and 5.56 and birdshot and a random box or two of anything else. 38spl? one box. 357 mag? also one box. anything less popular than those? good luck. oh they do have some deer rounds, .270, .30-06.
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Still can't find .410 anywhere in the Colorado Rockies... I'm down to just birdshot.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/17/2022 8:53 PM
I haven't seen .410 in a long time.
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RIP my dreams of building an AR .410. you died so young.
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Raps [PDX,OR]
I haven't seen .410 in a long time.
I initially got my .410 shockwave as a snake gun I could wear as a sidearm at the housing collective construction site. The land was in what's referred to by the locals as viper alley in Costilla County Colorado. Birdshot was what I needed.
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(personally i like the m14)
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early 90's Norinco MAK-90 ftw.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 11/24/2022 2:55 PM
the fal and mondragon are shockingly underated
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a shockingly small number of people know about it
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/28/2022 10:12 AM
That time of year again
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Raps [PDX,OR] 11/28/2022 8:48 PM
Turkey?
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/29/2022 6:59 AM
@Raps [PDX,OR] deer
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Doctor Eval 11/30/2022 7:49 PM
Look what i found
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If you find .410 slugs or 0 shot please let me know.
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Doctor Eval
Look what i found
Well look at me fancy pants over here.
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If you find .410 slugs or 0 shot please let me know.
JohnBrosGhost 12/1/2022 2:08 PM
Ammoseek has been my go to
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Zed-Juron
Well look at me fancy pants over here.
Doctor Eval 12/1/2022 2:22 PM
I've been waiting months to re-up on 57 because I'm house poor
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I've been waiting months to re-up on 57 because I'm house poor
Yeah ammo cost has been limiting my desire to pick up something in 57. 1.00 cpr is rough
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LessthanLoneWolf 12/1/2022 6:12 PM
Got it done today! Good sized buck!
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/3/2022 2:37 PM
Think I got enough bullets, guys?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Think I got enough bullets, guys?
I mean... that's enough to practice with for a few days.
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Though depending on the 9mm the gun might break before you run out.
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I mean... that's enough to practice with for a few days.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/3/2022 3:52 PM
I'm a broke college kid and this was all I could afford, man.
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Cut me some slack.
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Also I live in a part of California where there really isn't a gun range that close to me.
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You're good.
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JohnBrosGhost 12/3/2022 5:08 PM
Just keep building, friend.
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Just keep building, friend.
Building skills is the big one.
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And that takes ammo over time... not all at once. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/3/2022 5:48 PM
I've only had one experience with firearms and honestly I loved it
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it was at a gun range in Las Vegas, we were on a trip before the pandemic and everything and we stopped there since LV was a 'must see' in our list
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
I've only had one experience with firearms and honestly I loved it
It's something you either get a feel for or struggle with. It's easier to put the effort in when you find you have a desire for it. I don't recommend serious firearms training for anyone who struggles with it or is put off by it.
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It's something you either get a feel for or struggle with. It's easier to put the effort in when you find you have a desire for it. I don't recommend serious firearms training for anyone who struggles with it or is put off by it.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/3/2022 6:42 PM
I remember being quite accurate that one time sime years ago
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
I remember being quite accurate that one time sime years ago
That's a good baseline to start from.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/3/2022 6:44 PM
In my opinion though, at the age we went there I think they were letting people do that at an age they shouldn't be
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13 was way too young to get my hands on a glock 17
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
13 was way too young to get my hands on a glock 17
I think it depends on the individual and the reason for doing the training... for vacation shits and giggles... yea probably not a good idea.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/3/2022 6:48 PM
Still, fond memories, plus, I got a mug out of it
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found it
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Pretty cool!
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/3/2022 7:27 PM
Ikr?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Think I got enough bullets, guys?
LessthanLoneWolf 12/3/2022 9:22 PM
Never enough bullets.
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Rip safety detent spring 2022-2022 lost to the floor this fine evening. You will be missed
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/5/2022 6:43 PM
goddamn
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F
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JohnBrosGhost 12/5/2022 6:45 PM
Pantyhose over a vacuum hose
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Zed-Juron
Rip safety detent spring 2022-2022 lost to the floor this fine evening. You will be missed
I know those feels.
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JohnBrosGhost
Pantyhose over a vacuum hose
Good idea! Slow going, but probably quicker than getting a new one.
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JohnBrosGhost
Pantyhose over a vacuum hose
Good idea, but I found it before I had to do that.
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Well after that adventure, I finally managed to swap out my ar furniture. I think I can call this rifle done.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/5/2022 8:19 PM
looks pretty good
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the handguard reminds me of the fal which is always nice
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Thanks man!
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/5/2022 8:23 PM
ye, we need some FAL representation honestly
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underrated as hell (edited)
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Just tested my latest AR build today.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
ye, we need some FAL representation honestly
I want a FALโ€ฆ.. but money.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/5/2022 9:35 PM
Relatable
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I'm happy with an airsoft FAL since I'm pretty sure those types of weapons are not legal in Panama
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And if I had that kind of money I feel like it would be better spent on other guns first.
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I'm happy with an airsoft FAL since I'm pretty sure those types of weapons are not legal in Panama
Honestly I wouldnโ€™t know if it is or not.
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Just tested my latest AR build today.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/5/2022 9:36 PM
I want an AR but California.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
I want an AR but California.
Mini-14??
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/5/2022 9:38 PM
Maybe. (edited)
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I'm also a broke jobless college kid rn.
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Ahhhh. There is that.
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The woman, 22, was in her residence in the 9400 block of South St. Lawrence Avenue when another woman entered and the two began arguing, Chicago police said.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/7/2022 1:33 PM
And this is why I practice with my gun daily.
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LessthanLoneWolf 12/7/2022 1:50 PM
If you ever aim a firearm at something, be prepared to destroy it and follow through
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Ideally no one should know you're armed until you're already putting holes in them.
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Ideally no one should know you're armed until you're already putting holes in them.
100% there is no reason for anyone to have time to react. There is no such thing as fair in combat. Cheating is living.
This 3
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/7/2022 6:34 PM
Like I say, don't shoot first but, if you have to shoot, make sure you shoot last.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Like I say, don't shoot first but, if you have to shoot, make sure you shoot last.
Depends on the situation. I'd say there are more times to shoot first than not.
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Han shot first
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Han shot first
Admittedly a moral grey area shooting, but Han lived and wasn't taken prisoner. Ultimately being there to be able to support everything that came after. Combat is not about who's right or wrong, if there is a hell all of us who participated are going there. Combat is when you have to remain alive to accomplish something bigger than you.
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After the Club Q massacre, thereโ€™s no comparing far-right violence and community self-defense.
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Hey, does anyone know a good long rifle that's CA friendly that isn't a ruger?
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JohnBrosGhost 12/15/2022 1:08 PM
Are you looking at bolt action or semi?
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either or tbh
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I will probably build up to a semi but bolts I reckon are easier to get your hands on
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The venerable m1, sks if you're looking for a semi.
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Or a Vz 58 liberty model, but good luck finding one.
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JohnBrosGhost 12/15/2022 2:11 PM
Are savage axis II on the list? Theyโ€™re tack drivers for low cost
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/15/2022 7:34 PM
The Center For Disease Control (CDC) deleted a reference to a study it commissioned after a group of gun-control advocates complained it made passing new restrictions more difficult.
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austinwiltshire 12/16/2022 2:33 PM
Wow that's frustrating
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eh there's actually a legit reason tho
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the source of the statistics was actually pretty vague
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and hard to define
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Plus the cdc isn't allowed to do certain studies related to firearms.
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Plus the cdc isn't allowed to do certain studies related to firearms.
Because everyone knows they will find out that the number one cause of death by firearms is poverty, and the number two cause of death by firearms is cops.
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Suicide because of poverty, fear of poverty, abuse by employers and not being able to leave because of the fear of poverty, poverty based crimes involving poor people who have to resort to violence to feed themselves or loved ones, cops killing them, cops killing innocent kids eating a burger they just got at the drivethru, cops killing their wifes, their wives lovers, their underage prostitutes, their co-workers for ratting on them, that woman who laughed at them when they said they were a cop while on a date.... on and on and on. (edited)
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Oh don't forget school teachers for... not speeding. And women asleep in their home on a no knock warrant for someone else who doesn't even live at that address... like seriously it's not hard to know why the restriction was placed on the CDC regarding firearms.
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@Spinner yeah, that's true. I think the restriction is incredibly dumb, that data should be out there and framing the discussion around fire arms
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@Spinner yeah, that's true. I think the restriction is incredibly dumb, that data should be out there and framing the discussion around fire arms
The risk isn't the framing that it creates around firearms. It's that the data would irrevocably shatter the lie surrounding (protecting) capitalism. It would show that police are there to enforce poverty by only protecting the true capitalist caste. (edited)
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I think we are saying the same thing here. Absolutely.
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From โ€œDesk to Defenderโ€
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Apologies for my shoddy screenshots
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What is that? A firearms primer for leftists?
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I guess it's this?
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LessthanLoneWolf 12/21/2022 2:07 AM
Very nice starter guide
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 12/21/2022 1:22 PM
stuff like this is extremely important
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firearm stupidity knows no sides
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only idiots
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this reminded me that I need to learn how to disassemble and clean my firearms (starting with a Ruger LC9). Any recommendations for a cleaning kit, manual, etc?
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this reminded me that I need to learn how to disassemble and clean my firearms (starting with a Ruger LC9). Any recommendations for a cleaning kit, manual, etc?
JohnBrosGhost 12/21/2022 6:57 PM
The manual that came with it should be pretty comprehensive. lots of videos on youtube for gun disassembly for your specific weapon. Just be 1000000% sure it is unloaded (magazine out and nothing in the chamber). Did you check? Ok, check again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTAXBq_dGe0
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Hahahaha โ€œmanual that came with itโ€
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My father in law bought it for me at a pawn shop near his home in Jasper Tennessee and we went through hoops and hoops to get it transferred through a firearms dealer in MA
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I am lucky the thing has all its parts now
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That sounds like an adventure
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If you think firearms are inherently right wing and armed joy as a threat, you're not progressive, a leftist, an ally, and certainly not an accomplice. You're a mark, a patsy, a stooge, a threat to queer, Black and all liberation. Go hide in your ivory tower. Coward.
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Hahahaha โ€œmanual that came with itโ€
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/22/2022 7:11 PM
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Not bad for my first time.
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yeah man thats pretty good
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/22/2022 11:13 PM
Nice!
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Beautiful. Does that range provide coaching?
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Beautiful. Does that range provide coaching?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/24/2022 7:57 PM
It does indeed. I was there for one of their "quick start" courses which teaches you the basics. Instructor was very patient and understanding.
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When I was a kid, I learned hitting the mark was about breathing with the weapon.
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Do they start you out standing or kneeling?
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.. or prone?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 12/24/2022 9:13 PM
Standing.
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Shooting is a martial art. I recommend starting out reducing degrees of freedom so that as a beginner, you can concentrate on improving one skill at a time, managing one body part at a time.
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I guess first time, you need to figure out if you like it (equipment, place, etc.)
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For practical purposes, you have to learn your limits and achieve a feeling of ease when you stay in those boundaries. Train to push those boundaries into capabilities you need in life.
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I'd even recommend sitting and shooting at a table, and use a sandbag to prop up your elbow, just to get used to proper grip, getting the sight picture, and easy squeezy trigger action.
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Kinesthetic learning is repetition reinforcement, so you want to avoid repeating and reinforcing mistakes into bad habit.
10:43 PM
TBH, I'm jealous. I wish I could shoot indoors. I should maybe look into some really high end hearing protection.
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TBH, I'm jealous. I wish I could shoot indoors. I should maybe look into some really high end hearing protection.
JohnBrosGhost 12/27/2022 12:18 PM
I use molded in ear protection in conjunction with quality muffs when shooting indoors. Go at off hours and donโ€™t bring an AR pistol if noise is an issue
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I use molded in ear protection in conjunction with quality muffs when shooting indoors. Go at off hours and donโ€™t bring an AR pistol if noise is an issue
So belt and suspenders with in-ear and over-the-ear protection?
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LessthanLoneWolf 1/1/2023 2:43 AM
New Yearโ€™s gift to me
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/1/2023 3:13 AM
Nice!
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LessthanLoneWolf 1/1/2023 4:55 AM
The price was going to go up today. It was time
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...hey yo, can I get some help. I wanna craft a reply to a stupidass response to a comment I made and I got some data to back me up but I need a second set of eyes.
6:35 PM
yes it is firearms related.
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...hey yo, can I get some help. I wanna craft a reply to a stupidass response to a comment I made and I got some data to back me up but I need a second set of eyes.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/1/2023 7:00 PM
whatcha need help with?
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alright so hold on
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gonna dm
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yo, anyone in San Jose, your gonna need insurance
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 5:39 AM
The ATF is "pro-gun" apparently.
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I really should stop arguing about this stuff but the things some anti-gunners say are just too good not to laugh at.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
The ATF is "pro-gun" apparently.
That doesn't appear to be saying that ATF is "pro-gun" but rather that ATF is "corrupt" because it operates in a culture with pro-gun laws I'm not 100% sure from context what they mean by "corrupt" here but I'm reading it as saying that the constraints of the 2nd amendment leave ATF fundamentally hobbled from doing what it's been charged with doing.
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That doesn't appear to be saying that ATF is "pro-gun" but rather that ATF is "corrupt" because it operates in a culture with pro-gun laws I'm not 100% sure from context what they mean by "corrupt" here but I'm reading it as saying that the constraints of the 2nd amendment leave ATF fundamentally hobbled from doing what it's been charged with doing.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 2:17 PM
Either way, I sincerely doubt the ATF is going to get less corrupt simply because more gun laws passed.
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If they mean what I think they do, then they're saying that when there are more regulations governing gun ownership, it makes it easier for ATF to carry out its mission: there are more opportunities for people to possess guns illegally and therefore more ways in which to crack down on them. That's not a crazy assertion.
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If they mean what I think they do, then they're saying that when there are more regulations governing gun ownership, it makes it easier for ATF to carry out its mission: there are more opportunities for people to possess guns illegally and therefore more ways in which to crack down on them. That's not a crazy assertion.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 2:46 PM
Unfortunately, the ATF has a long history of entrapment and trigger happiness which turns this seemingly sensible assertion into a recipe for disaster.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Unfortunately, the ATF has a long history of entrapment and trigger happiness which turns this seemingly sensible assertion into a recipe for disaster.
If that's what they're talking about, that's a little harder to understand. But I still think the full argument would be worth hearing.
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If that's what they're talking about, that's a little harder to understand. But I still think the full argument would be worth hearing.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 2:56 PM
They were saying about how the US is proof that arming the public is bad. I cited the Czech Republic as an example that they were wrong due to their low violent crime rate. They got mad.
2:57 PM
Their argument was literally just "gun bad".
2:57 PM
Starting to think they were a troll actually.
2:58 PM
More proof that getting into political arguments at 2:30 in the morning is not a good idea.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
The ATF is "pro-gun" apparently.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 4:20 PM
tell them about czechia lmao
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tell them about czechia lmao
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 4:22 PM
Already did. They completely ignored it.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 4:22 PM
amazing
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 4:23 PM
They also told me I "had no right to comment" because I'm American and America is "the only developed country that hasn't tried gun control". (edited)
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For that, I called them racist which I'm not sure is correct. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
For that, I called them racist which I'm not sure is correct. (edited)
Not racist, but it was purely trolling the whole time. People like that aren't looking for legit conversation... just screaming into the void.
4:28 PM
They don't understand the scope of what they are suggesting. A Gun ban of any meaningful capacity would take every LEO in the US working 24 hours a day every day of the year on high risk entries for 100 years, to remove the estimated 6% of firearms that wouldn't be turned over voluntarily.
4:28 PM
That doesn't allow for any of them to do the investigative work needed to find out where the guns are in the first place.
4:30 PM
Just strike teams breaching people's homes all day and night every day and night. There can never be a Gun Ban to remove firearms banned in other nations... who'd protect wealthy people's shit while they were all shooting innocent civilians for having a gun?
4:31 PM
It's entirely a red herring propaganda tool used by both sides... GOP for scare tactics... Dems for donations.
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They don't understand the scope of what they are suggesting. A Gun ban of any meaningful capacity would take every LEO in the US working 24 hours a day every day of the year on high risk entries for 100 years, to remove the estimated 6% of firearms that wouldn't be turned over voluntarily.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 4:32 PM
from what iโ€™ve heard, many cops would outright refuse due to the risk of it
4:33 PM
especially in rural areas
4:34 PM
not to mention how many of the slightly-less-bastard-y cops are pro-gun
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And you know the ones who would do it would go for POC and Antifascists first. Because ultimately cops are racist tools of fascists.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 4:36 PM
mhm
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OrangeFurious 1/2/2023 5:13 PM
Not to mention that there are something like 400 million guns in the US right now and 3d printed guns are a thing. A ban and confiscations seem.... Unlikely.
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Not to mention that there are something like 400 million guns in the US right now and 3d printed guns are a thing. A ban and confiscations seem.... Unlikely.
That's what the 100 years of all law enforcement working entirely on confiscation comes from. And that's only factoring an estimated 6% that aren't turned in voluntarily. If any more refuse... well... just add more years to the war waged on civilians. They just don't have the manpower to do it. And that's why they will end up doing it by killing if they do.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 5:49 PM
yeah, it would instantly accelerate what's already seeming like a buildup to an american The Troubles (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 6:26 PM
is it even a buildup anymore, or just the opening act?
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
yeah, it would instantly accelerate what's already seeming like a buildup to an american The Troubles (edited)
It's gonna be far worse than The Troubles sadly. Which is why I've been trying my damnedest to build and inspire others to build collectives to shelter folks who need to escape violence, and foster a network of folks to move those people to the places of refuge. With 200 people you can starve sections of a city to death before anyone would lift a finger to stop it. Our food distribution infrastructure runs just that on demand.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
is it even a buildup anymore, or just the opening act?
We're already at the mid point of violence that was The Troubles... we're just not calling it such. Thousands of civilians are killed each year by the authorities. Thousands die of starvation and exposure. And it's increasing.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 6:30 PM
that's true, i think of it in more a political violence way than simply a violence way
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Technically the troubles got its name after because calling it a civil war wasn't entirely accurate either. Personally I argue it was, but one could make a argument that it wasn't a true civil war but rather both sides inflicting terrorists attacks on each other
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Personally I don't think we're at "Troubles" tier of danger yet but I think we're approaching it
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Considering American tradition, we're more likely to get a Oklahoma bombing 2.0 first then car bombs
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 6:49 PM
We've already had the power station attacks.
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which are bad but not "you kills a daycare full of young children live on television and everyone saw the corpses land on their feet" bad
6:50 PM
also ironically losing them support
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also House gop want to remove the magnetometers
6:54 PM
that's not gonne end well
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The right has to work itself up to larger shit... they've been seeding violent messaging for a very long time to do it. But it's being done... cops kill everyone they can reasonably get away with and some they can't... GOP messaging makes unhinged people do mass murder attacks, which are acts of terrorism just not yet as showy as in Ireland... The violence has escalated to the point that civilians actively want their rights stripped from them for their "safety", which is right from the fascist playbook... The brownshirts are already out and about enacting violence and terror on behalf of the GOP/fascists. We're there already... we just don't want to admit that it can happen here. But it has... and it will only get worse. We're about 20 years late to stopping it before it goes all screwy. At best I say we're only two years from right wingers actively attacking food supply lines to starve POC/Dem areas to death... and they will be helped by the cops. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 8:11 PM
On March 13, 2018, gun control activists laid 7,000 pairs of shoes on the lawn outside the Capitol in D.C. to represent
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Considering their track record, that last one will backfire something bad. especially considering those same rural areas are literally one moderately bad plague away from being wiped out
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Considering their track record, that last one will backfire something bad. especially considering those same rural areas are literally one moderately bad plague away from being wiped out
Not just rural areas... there are neighborhoods in Kansas City that can be cordoned off with less than a hundred armed individuals. One actively by design. I'll give you one guess who lives there.
8:27 PM
Literally thousands of people, the poorest in KC could be erased in hours by just the police on hand... or the local trumper adjacent militias with the cops turning a blind eye.
8:28 PM
And all over the south there are those neighborhoods, created by redlining specifically to segregate and be able to control the POC population. It's a feature, not random chance.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 8:40 PM
yeah, iโ€™m afraid of when accelerationists realize how much more damage they can do by attacking food supply
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
yeah, iโ€™m afraid of when accelerationists realize how much more damage they can do by attacking food supply
Ditto. I've been in food distribution logistics. It literally runs day by day thanks to "Lean" and "Lean Six Sigma" supply ideology. Stop between one and three trucks a day (depending on the store volume) and the whole chain fails. Do that for a week and people in a neighborhood die. Would take 4 armed men to do that. In places like the one I mentioned, you could isolate it completely with less than a hundred.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 8:48 PM
yep. logistics anywhere is stupidly fuckin fragile because nobody who can change anything gets punished when it goes wrong
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Not just rural areas... there are neighborhoods in Kansas City that can be cordoned off with less than a hundred armed individuals. One actively by design. I'll give you one guess who lives there.
Ukraine has called on every drone owner in the country to come to the nation's defense. Small quadcopters might be a vital weapon in the urban battles to come.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/2/2023 8:49 PM
???
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A tactic Ukrainians discovered was duct-taping explosives to 10 to 20 buck drones can cause a lot of shit for would be barricades (edited)
9:01 PM
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It wasn't a ideal weapon, but any attempts to block food could literally be stalled via death from above
9:11 PM
Ukrainians used the tactic to break Russian blockages into territory
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It wasn't a ideal weapon, but any attempts to block food could literally be stalled via death from above
You forget the stranglehold the fed has on explosives and tracking purchases of materials to make them with. Yes drone combat is a thing, but Ukraine is literally being shipped warheads for them by the trainload. Even if it were easy to militarize drones in the US... none of us have the money to do it... where as pretty much everyone who wants black folks dead enough to do something have spare cash enough lying around to do it.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/2/2023 9:34 PM
Where's the cookbook when you need it?
9:35 PM
(And yes, I know it wasn't written by an actual anarchist.)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Where's the cookbook when you need it?
There was one circulating on BBSs back in the day that was somewhat legit. Sadly it's lost to the annals of history.
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Molotov's are also public domain
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just pointing that out
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Molotov's are also public domain
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/3/2023 2:17 AM
I remember when I was young kid in elementary school(?), we had a project to make an instructional guide. Would you like to guess what I made mine about? (edited)
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(To be fair, it was completely wrong.)
2:59 AM
this is better
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/3/2023 3:00 AM
Welp, time to end up on a watchlist.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/3/2023 3:00 AM
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it will teach hyou how to make fucking everything
3:01 AM
i just wish it gave better methods for making blasting caps considering how necessary they are
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/3/2023 3:02 AM
Probably somewhere out there on the internet.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
this is better
Since you already ostensibly downloaded it, mind uploading it into a post?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/3/2023 3:56 AM
tomorrow when iโ€™m back on my computer, for sure
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LessthanLoneWolf 1/3/2023 5:33 PM
Fighting in the streets is a pretty decent read too. Educational purposes only, to see what the fash are up to
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AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:08 PM
I'm looking to purchase a gun in a few weeks, after getting a permit. Preferably a rifle, preferably in the AR class. Does anyone have any tips, info, etc they'd like to share with someone who is interested in owning a gun?
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AvoidOblivion
I'm looking to purchase a gun in a few weeks, after getting a permit. Preferably a rifle, preferably in the AR class. Does anyone have any tips, info, etc they'd like to share with someone who is interested in owning a gun?
Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/4/2023 11:13 PM
A decent rifle with lots of practice is always better than an expensive one. S&W sport and ruger 556 are fine, if you want something a lil nicer spring for a sig m400 or Springfield Saint but be sure to budget for an optic, sling, and light.
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AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:13 PM
Always going to go for those last three.
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Also make sure to check your states government site for gun permits
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Also make sure to check your states government site for gun permits
AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:14 PM
Already have that tab pulled up. Thanks for making sure, though. (edited)
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Ragnar Bear-Fister
A decent rifle with lots of practice is always better than an expensive one. S&W sport and ruger 556 are fine, if you want something a lil nicer spring for a sig m400 or Springfield Saint but be sure to budget for an optic, sling, and light.
AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:16 PM
Can you explain what the difference is between those four, as if you were talking to a complete newbie? I know considerably little about guns, but do want to learn more.
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I do know and understand basic firearm safety, however. My father instilled that in me from an early age, and when I got my first airsoft gun.
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I'm looking to purchase a gun in a few weeks, after getting a permit. Preferably a rifle, preferably in the AR class. Does anyone have any tips, info, etc they'd like to share with someone who is interested in owning a gun?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/4/2023 11:20 PM
A good optic is a game changer. If you buy a pistol at some point, youโ€™ll want to take classes for it 100%. Itโ€™s a waaaaaay different beast than rifles (edited)
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AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:20 PM
I have shot a pistol before, and an AR-15 twice. I could handle the recoil well enough, but you are right, they are very different things.
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And when you say "pistol," I assume you mean a traditional pistol, rather than an assault rifle that manages to slip into the category of pistols?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/4/2023 11:21 PM
AR-15 recoil is fine. Youโ€™ll also need a sling, and probably want to look at rail covers if youโ€™re gonna get one with picatinny rails.
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Yeah, handguns
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I also use a foregrip but itโ€™s not necessary
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I also use a foregrip but itโ€™s not necessary
AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:22 PM
I was just about to ask about that. I prefer the look of them, not sure about the real-world function of them.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/4/2023 11:22 PM
Remember that higher-end gun accessories, especially optics, can cost nearly as much as the gun itself, and take that into account.
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I was just about to ask about that. I prefer the look of them, not sure about the real-world function of them.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/4/2023 11:24 PM
Itโ€™s something youโ€™ll learn if you want once you get more experience shooting. Some people like hand stops and C-clamps, some people like U-clamps, some people like C-clamps only, some people like foregrips and some people like magwells. Each grip has its own use
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Foregrips are generally used for maintaining precision and getting some arm relief, as your arm will tire fast holding out near the end of your handguard
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Can you explain what the difference is between those four, as if you were talking to a complete newbie? I know considerably little about guns, but do want to learn more.
Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/4/2023 11:25 PM
So full disclosure I only own the m400 and only have tried the s&w and Springfield for ~60 rds. The s&w is pretty basic, it comes stock with a non-free floated hand guard (meaning the hand guard comes in direct contact with the barrel) and itโ€™s got a standard 1:9 twist rate (how fast the rifling is) which is better for lighter weight bullets. The ruger 556 is a similar story but I believe they come with a free floated, Mlok hand guard. (Mlok is good for attachments) The sig m400 has a stainless barrel and comes stock with a nicer muzzle device. And is also a slightly faster twist rate which is better for heavier ammunition. Not the best explanation but Iโ€™m typing this in a phone so (edited)
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AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:25 PM
In terms of aesthetic, I prefer the look of longer rifles. Not necessarily sniper rifles, but think more battle rifle or DMR. My dream gun is the M39 or MK14.
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In terms of aesthetic, I prefer the look of longer rifles. Not necessarily sniper rifles, but think more battle rifle or DMR. My dream gun is the M39 or MK14.
Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/4/2023 11:28 PM
Start with an AR or something that takes ar magazines. I guarantee you will eventually break down and end up splurging on something more exciting lol
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AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:30 PM
Have you ever heard of the VHS-2? A gun store near me is selling one. It is cool, but I would not get it. I would consider it on the "more exciting" end of the spectrum.
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So full disclosure I only own the m400 and only have tried the s&w and Springfield for ~60 rds. The s&w is pretty basic, it comes stock with a non-free floated hand guard (meaning the hand guard comes in direct contact with the barrel) and itโ€™s got a standard 1:9 twist rate (how fast the rifling is) which is better for lighter weight bullets. The ruger 556 is a similar story but I believe they come with a free floated, Mlok hand guard. (Mlok is good for attachments) The sig m400 has a stainless barrel and comes stock with a nicer muzzle device. And is also a slightly faster twist rate which is better for heavier ammunition. Not the best explanation but Iโ€™m typing this in a phone so (edited)
AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:31 PM
The s&w is pretty basic, it comes stock with a non-free floated hand guard
Does that mean the guard is more likely to get hot than a free floating guard?
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AvoidOblivion
The s&w is pretty basic, it comes stock with a non-free floated hand guard
Does that mean the guard is more likely to get hot than a free floating guard?
Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/4/2023 11:33 PM
Not to my knowledge, any aluminum or plastic guard will get hot. The main issue is that if you brace on any sort of cover, it can shift your barrel slightly off target, since the barrel and handguard are connected
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AvoidOblivion 1/4/2023 11:34 PM
I never thought of that, but it would make sense.
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I was just about to ask about that. I prefer the look of them, not sure about the real-world function of them.
It's all in how you practice with it tbh. Foregrips can be good, but they add bulk to the barrel which can get in the way at times. But if you are talking about an AR platform you probably have spare ounces of weight to give to one... unlike my AK which is very nearly as heavy as an M-14 already. The weight helps, but the AR also has so little recoil a foregrip really isn't all that beneficial. Ultimately practicing with the gun is more important than a foregrip. Optics however are not optional, though they should be practiced with as well. And money is often the determining factor on the quality... I have absolute shit optics on my AK... because that's all I can afford. That said, even my shit optics are better than iron sights.
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@AvoidOblivion All that said... I'd go with a shotgun over any rifle... unless you spend all your time in rural environments... at even suburban combat ranges a long barrel shoulder stock 12g is perfectly fine. If someone is wearing armor that can stop 00 buck, chances are it'll stop 5.56 Nato. But the buck will knock their ass off their feet, nato will just hurt a little on the plate... plus more chance of one of the shot slipping to the side or above or under the plate.
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Of course if you are a bigguy like I am you could run something like a Shockwave as a sidearm like I do with your rifle in a two gun setup.
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Course you'll have to get a thigh scabbard for the Shockwave custom made.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 12:10 AM
Iโ€™d say itโ€™s best for someone to get acquainted with firearms with an AR-15. Easy to start with and still a useful gun
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Iโ€™d say itโ€™s best for someone to get acquainted with firearms with an AR-15. Easy to start with and still a useful gun
I mean there is a reason the Navy uses them for bootcamp training.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 12:11 AM
Oh they do?
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Wait I thought you meant shotguns for a second lmao
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Wait I thought you meant shotguns for a second lmao
No, but we did use them in boarding actions.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 12:11 AM
Makes sense
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Who would do those boarding actions, out of curiosity? Shipboard MAAs, if those exist? Marines?
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Shotgun, Beretta, and M-14. (M-14 secured topside, Shotgun and beretta in two man teams compartment by compartment sweeping the ship.)
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Who would do those boarding actions, out of curiosity? Shipboard MAAs, if those exist? Marines?
Ships crew. Usually the MAA led the team, we'd split into pairs in compartment sweeps. VBSS got it's own school after the Iraq embargo, but it's a "C" school for ships crew to attend after reaching their ship... like Damage control school or Air Traffic Control school. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 12:14 AM
Ahh, I see
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It basically is a specialized CQB course using water tight hatches for doorways. But in most respects it's basically identical to Marine or Army CQB training.
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Could put any sailor who's done it on the ground sweeping a building with grunts and they'd do fine.
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Where general sailors would fail at is open ground combat... without MOUT training and routine cardio PT they'd be weak links.
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Still, I'd take a pump 12g in urban settings over an AR... if you really need an AR when shit hits the fan, there will be one lying on the ground soon enough.
12:20 AM
In the meantime the ability to send 8-10 .33 caliber balls down range at a time is a significant advantage particularly with the right shotgun with the right choke.
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As far as mass, 5+1 shotgun puts out ~50 balls down range every 10 having about a 2-8 inch spread depending on range. Even if shit goes south here we aren't going to be seeing much in the way of fighting beyond a 100y.
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Compare that to AR with even a 30 round mag, under combat conditions you are lucky to see a 2 foot spread without a LOT of practice and then your practice has to be high stress practice.
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AR is easy to learn, easy to shoot, but to get good in combat we're talking thousands of rounds of ammo... easily twice what you pay for the gun. Shotgun is hardest to learn how to reload in stress. So you practice one shell at a time, reload, one shell, reload, one shell, reload. By the time you get reloading down, you've sorted out all kinds of things about shot placement in the process.
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Much cheaper to get good. And then transitioning from 12g to AR is like picking up a .22LR it's so easy.
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But... I am biased. My training went. AR familiarization (15 rnds total in boot camp). 12g qual. 9mm qual. M-14 qual. .50 Cal qual. So the first gun I really learned on was the 12g. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 12:28 AM
Really good points I didnโ€™t think about, huh.
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Ultimately it's up to the person... the key point is to practice with the weapon and gear you have... if you add more gear, practice with it added in. Whatever weapon you want to spend the time shooting to get good, is the right weapon in the end. No weapon does any good if you don't practice with it. And re-practice... and not just on static 50-100 yard ranges... on dynamic ranges if you can access them once you've got the basics down.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 12:33 AM
Iโ€™ve got a few orange shooting balls and foothills nearby, might set out in a few days and try stuff with them. Iโ€™ve never gone shooting with my AR outside of static ranges and unsuccessful coyote hunts
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Iโ€™ve got a few orange shooting balls and foothills nearby, might set out in a few days and try stuff with them. Iโ€™ve never gone shooting with my AR outside of static ranges and unsuccessful coyote hunts
I follow the better to scare off coyotes than kill them rule myself. Get 3-6 more coyotes a year from now if you do manage to kill one.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Iโ€™ve got a few orange shooting balls and foothills nearby, might set out in a few days and try stuff with them. Iโ€™ve never gone shooting with my AR outside of static ranges and unsuccessful coyote hunts
If you've got a really good secure place to shoot where no one can come in... throw earbuds in under your earmuffs and play the audio from the beach landing scene in Saving Private Ryan. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 12:37 AM
Pffff, smart
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When shit hits the fan, you need to be able to react and go back to basics in spite of literal hell breaking loose around you. You need to learn to shut out nonsense, do what needs to be done, and do it the right way. When someone is being treated, take out and open your IFAK... close it up and check your mag/ammo count if possible... move to another target when the guys in the movie push... shoot the target once and reload... repeat... grab a knife from your kit, holster it and ready your gun... do all the things with deliberate intention while the shitshow of the noise is blasting in your ears.
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Develop each action with deliberate care and practice them deliberately but without specific order.
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Switch shooting positions and do all of them again in a different order. And again.
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Practice is more than sending rounds down range... it's every part of your kit that would be used in combat.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 7:27 AM
That is a lot of very useful info. Thanks for sharing. I had my eyes on the Magnum Research Baby Eagle III, which shoots .45 ACP, .40 S&W, or 9mm. Seems like a decent mix between badass Desert Eagle and realistic handgun. I will give that Shockwave some serious consideration, now. It looks badass on its own, but more importantly, I can see how it would be very useful.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 7:30 AM
I'd suggest your first gun not be a shockwave.
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What's your attraction to the baby eagle? Other than looks?
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 7:33 AM
Itโ€™s not too big, shoots decent calibers, and has a decent mag size. Itโ€™s worth nothing that I am not set on it particularly, but am interested in it. Just about any decent handgun will do.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 7:34 AM
Have you shot one yet?
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 7:37 AM
Baby Eagle? No. I have shot I believe a Glock 17, though it was several years ago so I could be mistaken.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 7:58 AM
Ok. So I'm an rso and instructor with my local sra chapter. We typically recommend that new shooters focus on striker fired 9mm, think Glock, most SIGs, anything without a hammer. We do this because striker fired pistols tend to be easier to shoot and train with, easier to maintain, and are often cheaper. We recommend 9mm because it's the most common handgun cartridge in the world and is cheap and easy to get. It's also a lot easier to shoot than 45 or 40 and those two calibers don't really offer any advantage ballistically.
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We also recommend that new shooters go to a local range and try a few handguns or hook up with someone who owns guns and is willing to let them shoot theirs. Our chapter hosts monthly range days where we encourage new shooters to come out and train.
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As far as rifles go we tend to steer people toward 223/5.56 pattern rifles, typically ARs for a lot of the same reasons. We don't recommend shotguns as first weapons because there's not much that a shotgun does that a rifle doesn't do better and cheaper.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 8:36 AM
I donโ€™t have any SRA chapters close by, sadly. Nearest is about 2.5 hours away.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 8:39 AM
Is there a range nearby where you can rent some guns to try?
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 9:44 AM
Iโ€™ll be able to check later today.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 5:50 PM
Just found a range that does training and classes. The only classes listed on the "Classes" page are Ladies Special and CC Class. Their rentals are $20 per rifle, $15 per pistol. I believe I can try out "Personal Lessons." I am going to try to get in contact with them about arranging a time for a lesson or two. I won't be able to do this for at least another month, however.
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Let me contact someone.
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Shaking trees right now through an instructor I know.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 5:59 PM
As grateful as I am, that isn't necessary. (edited)
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AvoidOblivion
As grateful as I am, that isn't necessary. (edited)
No not necessary... but also no real sweat either. I'm not great at networking, but it's useful and I've had a lot of time to do it. Best part about not being great at networking... the people who stick around are more solid connections.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 6:01 PM
I spent over 18 years of my life struggling to build connections. Back in November, I decided to change that, as it is a great way to get nowhere, fast. This server is one step in that process, and thus far joining has been the biggest step. Even if I failed to realize when joining just how big it would be.
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Just found a range that does training and classes. The only classes listed on the "Classes" page are Ladies Special and CC Class. Their rentals are $20 per rifle, $15 per pistol. I believe I can try out "Personal Lessons." I am going to try to get in contact with them about arranging a time for a lesson or two. I won't be able to do this for at least another month, however.
OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 6:08 PM
That's awesome. Even if you don't take classes it's good to try out some different guns and get an idea of what you like.
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That's awesome. Even if you don't take classes it's good to try out some different guns and get an idea of what you like.
Always good advice... even just grip ergonomics play a huge role.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 6:14 PM
There is a place called "Patriot Training and Consulting" not too far off a road I drive on often. Something tells me they are not for patriots of the United States of America, but for the other x States of America.
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 6:22 PM
I am checking out some M400s, and many of them have "Tread" in the title and a large "T R E A D" badge on the barrel. Is it actually there, irl, and is it removable if so? Looks like it isn't, but I do want to be certain. (edited)
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I am checking out some M400s, and many of them have "Tread" in the title and a large "T R E A D" badge on the barrel. Is it actually there, irl, and is it removable if so? Looks like it isn't, but I do want to be certain. (edited)
Unforgiven 1/5/2023 8:31 PM
I think it's kind of hit-or-miss on if you would get that badge on your rifle, some arrive with them and some don't it seems. Either way, completely removable
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Unforgiven 1/5/2023 8:38 PM
If you're not completely sold on any of the options that were already listed earlier, I would also recommend checking out Aero Precision. They're widely regarded as being some of the best value AR-15s you can buy and it's pretty easy to find their stuff on sale. Know quite a few people that run them and haven't really heard of any issues with the M4E1
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:08 PM
Does anyone have any recommendations for places to purchase scopes, and which ones to go with? I would not want a scope that looks like it belongs on a sniper rifle, nor one with much zoom.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 10:09 PM
Depends entirely on the type of weapon and what you want to do with it.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:10 PM
A non-magnifying sight should be fine if youโ€™ve no plans to shoot beyond 150 yards. Youโ€™d be surprised how easy it is to shoot that far without magnification, though it can help
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Many people use LPVOs which have variable magnification but thatโ€™s not much of a thing for a beginner imo
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Depends entirely on the type of weapon and what you want to do with it.
AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:11 PM
I am currently looking to get a Sig M400. I want to just simply train with it and use it for self-defense, god forbid the need arise.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Many people use LPVOs which have variable magnification but thatโ€™s not much of a thing for a beginner imo
AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:11 PM
That is on the larger end. I am looking for a smaller one.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:12 PM
Mhm. I donโ€™t know much about optics personally, let me talk to my friends in another server and see what they have
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 10:12 PM
Almost everyone I know runs some flavor of 1x optic on their rifle.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:13 PM
Actuallyโ€ฆ
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AvoidOblivion 1/5/2023 10:13 PM
A 1x is generally what I was thinking of. I would not be against a 2x.
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OrangeFurious 1/5/2023 10:13 PM
There are a ton of them out there. Vortex, holosun, and swampfox are all pretty good.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
A non-magnifying sight should be fine if youโ€™ve no plans to shoot beyond 150 yards. Youโ€™d be surprised how easy it is to shoot that far without magnification, though it can help
Speak for yourself young eyes. I went from 20/19 at all ranges to My eyes hurt all the time and 20/30... if I'm tired it's closer to 20/100.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/6/2023 12:35 AM
Yeah fair, I have glasses so that issue is corrected for me
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My vision without glasses is so bad itโ€™s basically off the practical 20/X scale iirc (edited)
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It would be something like 20/1,000
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I think
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I suspect I could get lasik... if I could afford it.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/6/2023 12:49 AM
my folks got lasik and theyโ€™re back to glasses after just over 10 years
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
my folks got lasik and theyโ€™re back to glasses after just over 10 years
I'll probably be dead by then so it's all good. (I'm at the life expectancy for Gulf War vets already thanks to the suicide rate.)
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yo, apparently a new online liberal gun store dropped, if your state allows that: https://www.sparkdogfirearms.com/
Patriotic, liberal and minority friendly gun, ammo, and accessory sales!
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trying to find out more about them
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they might be located in Arizona
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And like everywhere else they are out of the ammo I need. Lovely. Also a good choice is https://fafodef.com/
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As grateful as I am, that isn't necessary. (edited)
Is Yadkinville, NC close enough?
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AvoidOblivion 1/6/2023 1:43 PM
Yadkinville is about 4.5-5 hours away. I used to live about 30 minutes away from there.
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I don't know how I feel about it, but this was the recommendation I got back from my contact. https://apachenc.com/
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My contact has trained with them personally, and hosted them for training sessions at his training facility.
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AvoidOblivion 1/6/2023 2:18 PM
Thanks. Iโ€™ll look into that when possible.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/6/2023 6:22 PM
bump stocks are legal again
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state or nationally?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/6/2023 6:24 PM
the fifth circuit struck it down so i actually donโ€™t know if itโ€™s national or only in that area
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state
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5th doesn't have that much power
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/6/2023 6:25 PM
fr*ck
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get it to 9th or SCOTUS then shit does down
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JohnBrosGhost 1/6/2023 6:38 PM
NEW ORLEANS (AP) โ€” A Trump administration ban on bump stocks โ€” devices that enable a shooter to rapidly fire multiple rounds from semi-automatic weapons after an initial trigger pull โ€” was struck down Friday by a federal appeals court in New Orleans.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/7/2023 12:31 AM
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) โ€” A 6-year-old student shot and wounded a teacher at his school in Virginia during an altercation inside a first-grade classroom Friday, police and school officials in the city of Newport News said.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/7/2023 12:44 AM
Some little dipshit is going to get a hold of the gun and... well, you know the rest.
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Dr_Diskette 1/7/2023 1:04 PM
Should I be worried about the sparks?
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Find a gunsmith near you and send them the video. It's worrying enough to do that at least and not fire it till you get an answer.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Some little dipshit is going to get a hold of the gun and... well, you know the rest.
We long ago decided, as a country, that we care more about guns than we care about our kids.
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OrangeFurious 1/7/2023 2:02 PM
Maybe, but I'm more worried about your grip.
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topaz
We long ago decided, as a country, that we care more about guns than we care about our kids.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/7/2023 2:10 PM
I view guns in much the same way as power tools, namely that one should be carefully instructed in their use and that if you're going to have one in the home, keep it out of your kid's reach.
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We long ago decided, as a country, that we care more about guns than we care about our kids.
I mean if we admitted that kids were important then we'd have to cut into profits at grocery stores and for landlords and private utility companies... because we'd have to give kids the basic needs of survival for free... which means we'd have to give them to everyone. So of course kids come last here... can't go down that slippery slope now can we. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
I view guns in much the same way as power tools, namely that one should be carefully instructed in their use and that if you're going to have one in the home, keep it out of your kid's reach.
Yeah. I wish that we were as enthusiastic about designing policies for safety around guns as we are around power tools or cars, but I don't believe that will be possible under the current definition of the 2nd Amendment.
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Yeah. I wish that we were as enthusiastic about designing policies for safety around guns as we are around power tools or cars, but I don't believe that will be possible under the current definition of the 2nd Amendment.
Ehhh... I have a several page document outlining how to work military grade firearms training into community volunteer safety departments with coordination with local community colleges to create a whole new way to replace Police and in doing so require proper firearms training as well as de-escalation training and personal communications skills and being a good support person for mental health professionals.
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It's possible, authorities don't want to do it because policing isn't about protecting and serving people, it's about protecting and serving state and corporate interests.
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OrangeFurious
Maybe, but I'm more worried about your grip.
Dr_Diskette 1/7/2023 9:00 PM
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Dr_Diskette
Should I be worried about the sparks?
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Dr_Diskette 1/7/2023 9:52 PM
LEAVE ME ALONE
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actually itโ€™s worse than that Iโ€™m left eye dominant, right handed (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/7/2023 10:33 PM
ahhhh shit
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yeah, same thing for my dad
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/7/2023 11:31 PM
Its been too long since I last held a gun
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damn I miss it
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Dr_Diskette 1/8/2023 12:41 AM
Shot a m1 a few days ago
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That poor m1
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/8/2023 12:56 AM
I make sure to practice regularly with my Glock.
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It makes a world of difference.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/8/2023 2:41 AM
/s if y'all can't tell by how ridiculous it is
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I mean... yeah... but it's also kinda cool.
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Wouldn't use it for a fine hone, but if I found myself with a dull edge after a lot of cutting it'd help.
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And would save me from having to get my diamond sharpener out of my bag. If I had mlok on my rifle... which I don't... because AK.
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OrangeFurious 1/8/2023 6:29 AM
Here's something on holding a pistol. Basically, firm grip with the shooting hand, tight grip with the support hand. https://www.pewpewtactical.com/how-to-grip-a-pistol/
Want to shoot better? You've got to have a proper pistol grip. We cover exactly what makes a good grip for both semi-auto and revolvers.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 3:10 PM
Manufacturer: Sig SauerMagnification: 1xObjective Diameter: 20mmAdjustment Increments: 0.5 MOATotal Elevation Adjustment: 100 MOATotal Windage Adjustment: 100 MOALength: 3.1"Width: 1.5"Height: 2.6"Weight: 4.9 ozReticle: 2 MOA Red DotBattery Life: 20,000 Hours
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Only $80
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@AvoidOblivion
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Thatโ€™s fucking amazing
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AvoidOblivion 1/9/2023 3:11 PM
Not a bad price. Doesnโ€™t look too bad either.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 3:11 PM
Oh yeah thatโ€™s a great sight iirc
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AvoidOblivion 1/9/2023 3:13 PM
Thanks for letting me know about that. Iโ€™ll look into it and keep that in mind.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 3:14 PM
I think itโ€™s only a discount for today
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LessthanLoneWolf 1/9/2023 3:49 PM
New Years present arrived
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Swimmers cut for better ROM if providing medical care
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OrangeFurious 1/9/2023 4:25 PM
What level did you get?
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New Years present arrived
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 5:06 PM
They missed a perfect opportunity tk be called โ€œRMAmentโ€
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What level did you get?
LessthanLoneWolf 1/9/2023 5:35 PM
Level 4. Much more affordable than the 3+
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smerpyderp 1/9/2023 6:48 PM
As someone who plans on purchasing a gun, but doesnโ€™t know a lot, whatโ€™s a good place to start?
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As someone who plans on purchasing a gun, but doesnโ€™t know a lot, whatโ€™s a good place to start?
OrangeFurious 1/9/2023 7:01 PM
What's your potential use case?
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What's your potential use case?
smerpyderp 1/9/2023 7:02 PM
What do you mean? Such as self defense?
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I would want like a handgun.
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I would want like a handgun.
Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:04 PM
Go to a local range and rent a few and see what you like. Most ranges itโ€™s like $15 per handgun but you may find specials
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A lot of it comes down to personal preference and price range.
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OrangeFurious 1/9/2023 7:06 PM
This. Most people seem to prefer striker fired pistols like Glocks. They tend to be easier to shoot and can be cheaper than other options.
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Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:08 PM
Just holding a handgun and seeing how it fits your hand can tell you a lot as well. Most shops will let you if you ask.
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What price range are you looking at?
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smerpyderp 1/9/2023 7:12 PM
I mean, price isnโ€™t really a concern for me. Iโ€™d prefer as cheap as possible though. Iโ€™m not looking for anything fancy.
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Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:19 PM
A short list of things to try in no particular order: -Sig P365 / 320
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-S&W M&P 2.0 / EZ -Taurus G3
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And if while your shooting you notice something you donโ€™t like about a particular gun, ask the attendant and they might have some insight. But donโ€™t let them bully you into thinking a 1911 is a good choice.
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And if while your shooting you notice something you donโ€™t like about a particular gun, ask the attendant and they might have some insight. But donโ€™t let them bully you into thinking a 1911 is a good choice.
smerpyderp 1/9/2023 7:33 PM
Are 1911s not a good choice lol?
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Are 1911s not a good choice lol?
Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:35 PM
Not really, theyโ€™re kinda complicated mechanically, theyโ€™re bulky, and they only hold ~8 rounds. But some people SWEAR by them, I think mostly for the aesthetic
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smerpyderp 1/9/2023 7:35 PM
Hmm good to know. I hear a lot of people like them, so I was surprised.
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I would want like a handgun.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 7:36 PM
Note that you're going to have to practice a lot for a handgun. It's much more challenging to shoot accurately than a rifle.
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1911s have a marginal, effectively nil advantage in stopping power versus 9mm guns, but you're going to want the additional magazine capacity 9mm provides.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Note that you're going to have to practice a lot for a handgun. It's much more challenging to shoot accurately than a rifle.
smerpyderp 1/9/2023 7:37 PM
Makes sense.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 7:38 PM
I'd recommend going to a range-store if one's nearby. They'll help you find what you want.
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smerpyderp 1/9/2023 7:38 PM
About how expensive does ammunition tend to be?
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smerpyderp
About how expensive does ammunition tend to be?
Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:38 PM
Ammoseek.com (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 7:39 PM
It's hard to say. Since 2020 ammunition prices have been massively inflated but they're calming down recently
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9mm used to be worth it's weight in gold but it's decent now IIRC
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Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:39 PM
Itโ€™s a search engine for ammo prices, 9mm atm is like 30-40 cents per round
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smerpyderp 1/9/2023 7:42 PM
What kind of holster would you recommend if Iโ€™m concerned about concealability? (edited)
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What kind of holster would you recommend if Iโ€™m concerned about concealability? (edited)
Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:44 PM
Kydex inside the waistband. If youโ€™re not concerned about price the phlster enigma is supposed to be magical
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smerpyderp 1/9/2023 7:44 PM
Are under-the-arm holsters worth anything? Or are they just to feel cool? (edited)
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Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:45 PM
For something more simple guerilla tactical makes good kydex.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 7:45 PM
they're archaic imo
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like they're still feasible... but basically anything else is better
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Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/9/2023 7:46 PM
Shoulder holsters are kind of hard to conceal unless youโ€™re wearing a jacket
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/9/2023 7:46 PM
unless you have a good reason to not use some sort of hip holster
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
unless you have a good reason to not use some sort of hip holster
Like a 40+ male spare tire.
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That said, my shoulder doesn't work so good anymore either so reaching around to draw from a shoulder rig isn't feasible for me either. So I just open carry a sidearm. Of course that sidearm is a Shockwave... so I guess if you can't conceal it, might as well go big. (TBF the sidearm was chosen specifically to shoot snakes on the collective residence construction site I was building so concealment wasn't a concern at all.) (edited)
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For something more simple guerilla tactical makes good kydex.
JohnBrosGhost 1/10/2023 9:57 PM
Solid leftist owned tactical company. Definitely support if you can. Shoulder holsters are no longer the norm because they constantly flag others and will often flag yourself or a partner as you draw your weapon. Big no no. Hip is standard- you choose placement depending on comfort, purpose, and weapon. Belly bands work as well if youโ€™re wearing leggings or shorts. Something like the Phlister kicks it up a notch. Ankle is โ€ฆsomethingโ€ฆ, but not a great choice due to ease of access and reliability of holsters.
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AvoidOblivion 1/10/2023 10:05 PM
I'll pitch in. That would be badass.
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Sorry that link is gross. ๐Ÿ˜…
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Charlotte and surrounding areas. Leftist friendly environment.
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Just in Case ADI is the best gun dealer & black-owned firearms store in North Carolina. Our Firearm Instructor provides pistol, shotgun, and rifle training for new and intermediate shooters. Call us at 704.625.6268.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/11/2023 10:17 PM
terror
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terror
LessthanLoneWolf 1/11/2023 10:27 PM
First rifle?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/11/2023 10:29 PM
no no no
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it's an SBR
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/11/2023 10:29 PM
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/11/2023 10:30 PM
hide your dogs
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/11/2023 10:31 PM
hide ya dogs hide ya wife hide ya dogs hide ya wife
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LessthanLoneWolf 1/12/2023 12:20 AM
Thatโ€™s why you get both!
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
no no no
ZephyraTheMare 1/12/2023 9:58 AM
SBR? Did some sort of ruling finally happen on braces?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/12/2023 10:03 AM
nah itโ€™s a joke about some guy not knowing he bought an SBR
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I think it would be an AOW because of the trip anyways
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ZephyraTheMare 1/12/2023 10:04 AM
Ahh, phew. ๐Ÿ™‚
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GOP: puts more guns on the streets (probably to arm up their base) Democrats: Proceeds to take up arms because of GOP's previous actions and also one less gun out of a fash's hands GOP:
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Bet gop does craft regulation now, watch. The thing I see about the video is responsible gun culture conservatism is not held by the gop (right) or the dems (center right) who are both capitulating to a rightwing nationalist movement that has monopolized on โ€œacceptableโ€white militia and rancher american gun culture, but not overall responsible gun culture and not actual conservatism (centrist realist). Conservatism does not have relative gun smart representation in the political field. They are being served divisive โ€œculture warโ€ antiamericanism by lying-ass nra style nationalists labelling themselves โ€œreal conservativesโ€, though. Some are labelling themselves nationalist, true to the path they know they want followers to flock towards. Lying asses. Iโ€™m not suggesting party building. Just probably everyone support increasing firearms access for black women and weโ€™ll be better off then otherwise. Iโ€™m with her.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/13/2023 10:42 PM
ay yโ€™all (edited)
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rifle pistols are gone
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ATF banned braces entirely as far as iโ€™ve seen
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/13/2023 10:45 PM
Bruh ๐Ÿ’€
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/13/2023 10:47 PM
On January 13, 2023, the Attorney General signed ATF final rule 2021R-08F, โ€œFactoring Criteria for Firearms with Attached โ€˜Stabilizing Braces,โ€™โ€ amending ATFโ€™s regulations to clarify when a rifle is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder.
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OrangeFurious 1/14/2023 10:27 AM
The decision has been submitted. It isn't official yet and if it becomes official owners will have 120 days to get a tax stamp without paying the fee. That said the decision is definitely going to be challenged.
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Looks just like another way to limit certain firearms ownership to those with disposable income. What is legal for the wealthy is illegal for the poor, once again. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/15/2023 10:32 PM
The Right has always been Anti-Gun. You push them just a little and it comes out.
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Friendly reminder that the right is not and has never been "pro-gun" unless it suited them.
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Seriously, those comments on the right are just... oof.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/16/2023 1:27 AM
going to the range to shoot rental automatics for my birthday, should i shoot the P90 or M249
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Up to you I'd say
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/16/2023 1:31 AM
I canโ€™t choose, why Iโ€™m asking yโ€™all
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/16/2023 1:31 AM
I say M249. Make the most of your time with that much dakka.
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P90 is cool though.
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Dakka dakka dakka dakka
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/16/2023 1:00 PM
the RSO had a three percenter patch really
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and heโ€™s also a cop
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/16/2023 4:50 PM
Roll up with a defend equality sticker next time.
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ZephyraTheMare 1/16/2023 11:20 PM
So, I have a collectable rare lever rifle I am probably going to sell. Any suggestions of where to sell it other then gunbroker?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/17/2023 5:18 AM
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB92 CA is trying to ban body armor and make innocent people felons.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/17/2023 5:27 AM
Cops are exempt naturally.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/17/2023 3:09 PM
Model: ROMEO5 Magnification: 1x Objective Diameter: 20mm Eye Relief: Unlimited Dot Size: 2 MOA Red Dot Elevation Adjustment Range: +/- 40 MOA Windage Adjustment Range: +/- 40 MOA Illumination: 8 Daytime / 2NV Battery Type: One (1) CR2032 Battery LIfe: 450 hours (on highest setting) Weight: 5.10 ounces Length: 2.47 inches Width: 1.50 ...
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Yo ptr is launching a rifle in 5.56. I can't wait to buy one.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB92 CA is trying to ban body armor and make innocent people felons.
Time to form an LLC in California that is a "body armor retailer" and employ everyone who wants armor as a "brand spokesperson" employee.
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CA has cooperative corporation laws which allow the entity to be owned equally by employees btw.
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gravybaby420 1/18/2023 8:33 PM
ive heard some mixed reviews on the glock 44. reliability issues, cheap feel etc. but i just love my 22's sm, is it worth the buy
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Glocks tend to be pretty reliable, but 22s tend to have issues just because of the round. Getting to the platform is a good idea if you plan in getting a 9mm glock later. The price at bad but you are probably able to get a slightly cheaper 22 pistol
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gravybaby420 1/19/2023 4:56 PM
yeah, i've got a glock 19 and a sig p320, i just really like 22 as a round as was so curious
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ty for the advice
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Ragnar Bear-Fister 1/19/2023 5:17 PM
If you just want a 22 pistol than maybe consider a mark 4?
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gravybaby420 1/19/2023 5:30 PM
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this is some jill valentime shit
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god damn is that beautiful
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/19/2023 7:29 PM
whooh
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 10:51 AM
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birthday present from my dad
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lucky to have a good dad, who's a leftist bro as well
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/20/2023 11:04 AM
lets goooooo
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 11:08 AM
exactly.
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ready to rip and tear until it is done
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Damn. Whatโ€™s the price on that?
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 12:07 PM
more than i have
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by a lot
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๐Ÿ˜ฆ itโ€™s really a pretty gun
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 12:08 PM
yeah the grips are gorgeous
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love me some arroyo stain
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Anyone ever tried the FGC-9? Is it any good? Im European so getting firearms here is pretty hard (tho not impossible at all unlike what some may say) nor do I really want any (I just do airsoft 4 fun) but I'm curious about this weapon, seeing it being used in Myanmar by the rebels
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:38 PM
it's definitely
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interesting
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i would stay away from ghost guns, especially in europe although idk where you are, there's also issues with reliability and getting the ammo
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if you get caught with it, then you're DEF not getting a real gun
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just go through the process, get yourself your license and take safety courses
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that would be very much illegal to get in europe
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:41 PM
extremely
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I'm just curious if its like a good weapon or anything
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:42 PM
not really
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factory load ammunition is just way too much pressure for an entirely plastic frame
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and you really don't want a gun to blow up in your face
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@Evo what country are you in my friend
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french speaking part
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:46 PM
the home of fn!
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would be worth reading
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Evo
that would be very much illegal to get in europe
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/20/2023 1:48 PM
just get a czech friend
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:48 PM
seems pretty comprehensive
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
just get a czech friend
gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:48 PM
i think gun transfers are illegal in the ri
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eu
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/20/2023 1:48 PM
itโ€™s only illegal if the cops know about it
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the home of fn!
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I'm aware of gun laws, but as I said i'm not interested in getting a gun
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Unless things go seriously bad down here
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/20/2023 1:50 PM
fair
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iโ€™ve heard the FGC-9 does its job but youโ€™d of course want a factory gun if at all possible in comparison
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I heard the idea is to use it, ambush your target, and get their guns instead
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/20/2023 1:51 PM
yeah
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especially since nowadays getting ammo will be harder than getting a gun
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itโ€™s a functional gun and not really much else
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I've also got fairly good knowledge for DIY anti-armor explosives if ever needed too lmao
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/20/2023 1:52 PM
me too
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but like, lets hope I never have to practice it
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/20/2023 1:54 PM
all youโ€™d need is a garage door laser, a bean tin, and a thin sheet of copper
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and explosives ofc
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even a bottle of wine makes for a decent shaped charge
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you can make bootleg explosives by salt water hydrolisis (sodium/potassium chlorate) and even sugar if you really dont have anything else
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only thing I dont know is for primary explosives
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:57 PM
have you guys ever hear of a little thing called https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_31-210_Improvised_Munitions_Handbook
The TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook is a 256 pages United States Army technical manual intended for the United States Army Special Forces. It was first published in 1969 by the Department of the Army. Like many other U.S. military manuals dealing with improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and unconventional warfare, it was declassified and...
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Evo
I'm aware of gun laws, but as I said i'm not interested in getting a gun
gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:57 PM
ah alright
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my bad
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have you guys ever hear of a little thing called https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_31-210_Improvised_Munitions_Handbook
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:58 PM
exactly
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my bad
no apologies needed, still a good ressource ๐Ÿ˜„
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but I never actually read it
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 1:58 PM
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shotgun fridays
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its funny to me you can sometimes get in trouble if you give instructions on how to make explosives
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but like even just wikipedia is good enough lol
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 2:01 PM
yeah i didn't want to risk TOS by actually sending the file
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indeed, neither did I give the exact recipe for the chlorate etc since there are some nuances and stuff
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but it's not rocket science on where to find it lol
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gravybaby420 1/20/2023 2:02 PM
duckduckgo
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/21/2023 10:56 AM
The committee chair said Democrats canโ€™t connect to rural voters because they donโ€™t understand importance of guns to voters.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/21/2023 11:16 AM
Interesting....
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oh great
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Democrats "rebranding" themselves based on Republican narratives about what rural voters think Democrats are, A+++ strategy (edited)
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AvoidOblivion 1/23/2023 2:15 PM
The Kar98K and its bayonet my Grandfather captured in WWII. He jammed it a while ago, and it probably hasnโ€™t been cleaned in decades. The bayonet is completely dull.
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Thereโ€™s also a Radom FB Vis thatโ€™s been better hidden away.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/23/2023 2:59 PM
beauty of a rifle
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/23/2023 7:32 PM
Because that's how guns work.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/23/2023 7:38 PM
hold on, let me get my gun into poking mode snaps gun in half there we go
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Because that's how guns work.
Ah, yes. Tis how guns work. Not a faked photo.
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Poke poke
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/24/2023 8:35 AM
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/24/2023 8:00 PM
I love these guys.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/24/2023 8:17 PM
Thereโ€™s ~450,000 instances of defensive gun use annually
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Thatโ€™s reported instances
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/24/2023 8:27 PM
God knows how many people fucked around and found out
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
God knows how many people fucked around and found out
Well, certainly less than 5% of the total number of instances stated above. Outside of crimes of passion, gun deaths are extremely rare, except for Police killing civilians, and men committing suicide.
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Ironically. Toxic masculinity combined with capitalism, is the number one contributor to male suicide. (edited)
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Feelings of inferiority caused by toxic masc perceptions on men being providers... leads men to commit suicide when faced with financial difficulties that make it impossible/improbable that they will be able to support their family members. Secondary cause... toxic masculinity used against them from abusive female partners. This is often a contributor because female partners often abusively berate male partners for failing to support them.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 1:26 PM
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/KJywx Oh would you look at that? Another incident that could've been avoided if the proper authorities took it seriously.
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Also maybe the parent in this case needs to get charged
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Who in the fuck in their right mind would leave a gun around a 6 year old Especially a loaded gun jfc
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 2:03 PM
I don't intend to have kids at all and I STILL keep my gun/s locked up in safes that only I know the code to. (edited)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/25/2023 2:04 PM
who knows if someone breaks in and takes a hold of it
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Don't even tell your spouse the code.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 2:19 PM
Bold of you to assume I'll ever have one.
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I meant that generally
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 2:20 PM
I was joking.
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Oh.
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I wasn't sure
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 2:20 PM
Little bit of self-deprecating humor.
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Indeed.
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Some countries have authorities come in and inspect your gun safe occasionally, or at least the first time you buy it
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Idk if anywhere in the US does it
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I know it's a crime to not have it locked up in a safe properly anyways
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but it's practically only a crime if a cop happens to see it, or if an accident happens like the many that have unfortunately happened with children (edited)
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which is why inspection makes some sense, to make sure people are following the rules and their equipment is on the up and up
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although I do understand concerns people have with police just coming into your home and looking at your gun safe and gun
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Eh. Kind of just going off on a tangent here but whatever
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People who don't lock their guns up are idiots
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That's all there is to it
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
who knows if someone breaks in and takes a hold of it
Question for people who do that If someone does break in, how do you get quickly to your guns for self defense?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/25/2023 3:06 PM
a digital gun safe wonโ€™t take more than 5 seconds to unlock
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/25/2023 7:54 PM
This is badass
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/25/2023 8:08 PM
looks cool
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 10:44 PM
You know what? Fuck you! bullpups and flips your AK
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/25/2023 10:44 PM
OH GOD WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
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well, at least no one has bullpupped my beloved cowboy repeaters and CZ.550's
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 10:47 PM
Well we do also have a double-barreled blow-forward 10 mm SMG.
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Yeah, Titanfall guns are fucking wack. (edited)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/25/2023 10:47 PM
lol
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Yeah, Titanfall guns are fucking wack. (edited)
AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/25/2023 10:48 PM
hey, they're not as bad as the fallout 4 a.....a....assault....Oh god i think i'm gonna puke......assault rifle
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 10:49 PM
There's being crazy and then there's just being ass.
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The Fallout 4 "assault rifle" is just ass.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/25/2023 10:49 PM
yeah....
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they could have easily just revised the fallout 3 assault rifle
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but nnnooooo
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they had to be fucking quirky
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 10:53 PM
Or the service rifle from New Vegas.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/25/2023 10:53 PM
yeah
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they could have done literally anything
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
You know what? Fuck you! bullpups and flips your AK
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/25/2023 10:58 PM
The Malyuk (Ukrainian: ะœะฐะปัŽะบ), also known as Vulcan or Vulcan-M, is an assault rifle developed by the Ukrainian arms company Interproinvest (IPI).The Malyuk is a development of the Soviet Kalashnikov assault rifle, reconfigured into a bullpup layout.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/25/2023 10:58 PM
The OTs-14 Groza (ะžะฆ-14 "ะ“ั€ะพะทะฐ") is a Russian selective fire bullpup assault rifle chambered for the 7.62×39 round and the 9×39mm subsonic round. It was developed in the 1990s at the TsKIB SOO (Central Design and Research Bureau of Sporting and Hunting Arms) in Tula, Russia.The weapon is colloquially known as OC-14 or OTs-14 "Groza". The OTs-14-...
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/25/2023 10:58 PM
terror
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/25/2023 10:59 PM
bullpups should be destroyed
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/25/2023 10:59 PM
Awful
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AvoidOblivion 1/26/2023 1:17 AM
This gun and the integrally suppressed version appear in Battlefield 4. They are some of the ugliest guns every. Somehow, uglier guns have been made.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
You know what? Fuck you! bullpups and flips your AK
gravybaby420 1/26/2023 9:38 AM
groza moment
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Evo
Question for people who do that If someone does break in, how do you get quickly to your guns for self defense?
I don't. If someone breaks into my house, I'm grabbing the nearest heavy object to brain them with.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/26/2023 1:53 PM
just grab a lighter and a bottle of hairspray
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sure you won't have a house
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but hey
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real estate is a scam anyway
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/26/2023 1:54 PM
just steal your neighbors house
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righteous
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/26/2023 1:59 PM
cheemsbonk
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
just steal your neighbors house
Steal a landlords house.
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Better yet steal a corporate investment home. Motherfuckers are sitting on 1.2 million empty homes while that many people are homeless.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/27/2023 6:35 PM
Photos of the firearms used in the Monterey Park shooting have been released.
  • A loadout completely devoid of any "assault rifle" or stabilizing braces, yet this will be used to justify gun control aimed at them. Very cool guys.
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Dude used a fucking Tokarev, a bolt-action, and a Frankensteined Mac-11.
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*adjust glasses *in extreme nerd voice Ummm... excuse me both the news and police accurately defined this as a assault pistol
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/27/2023 6:39 PM
Also most of these fire less than 10 rounds.
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wtf Iโ€™m so surprised by that and a tokarev, goes to show if youโ€™re that unhinged youโ€™ll use whatever youโ€™ve got
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on another note- Iโ€™d love to discuss something Iโ€™ve been chewing on if anyone wants to engage. Starting with, Iโ€™m a firearm owner, I think guns are dope, Iโ€™ve posted pictures online before of my โ€œkitโ€ for purely internet points-related reasons, but I also agree that theyโ€™re just tool for self defense. Another pro 2a friend and I got to talking about what can be done about mass shootings. One thing he brought up was diminishing the โ€œfetishizationโ€ of firearms to combat the toxic parts of gun culture which means not posting โ€œkitโ€ or even new buys since after all- Iโ€™m not posting every time I buy a new drill bit/hammer/etc. and Iโ€™m feeling slightly on board but also unsure.
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I thought it fell more in line with people who love expensive watches, cars, other โ€œluxury itemsโ€, etc. because those items have a culture of collection and show I guess
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but maybe thatโ€™s what it is? The first step toward changing to culture to from that of an expensive watch to that of a hammer? still chewing on it
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/27/2023 7:39 PM
Itโ€™s a hobby
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Thereโ€™s a difference between showing off a gun for the sake of showing off a gun and showing off a gun because itโ€™s a hobby of yours
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but maybe thatโ€™s what it is? The first step toward changing to culture to from that of an expensive watch to that of a hammer? still chewing on it
that was how things were before the first awb back in the day believe it or not, since the ban and its subsequent lapse people have been more on board the the proverbial ar train. there is an old in rage video that describes it.
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that was how things were before the first awb back in the day believe it or not, since the ban and its subsequent lapse people have been more on board the the proverbial ar train. there is an old in rage video that describes it.
huh thatโ€™s super interesting to me actually, might have to track it down
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huh thatโ€™s super interesting to me actually, might have to track it down
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hah thanks, made it easy for me
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np
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/27/2023 8:36 PM
i thought you guys were supposed to be the fun having ones
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
i thought you guys were supposed to be the fun having ones
we do now, but they were banned for a while
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/27/2023 8:38 PM
lol
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/27/2023 8:48 PM
halal
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/28/2023 5:47 AM
Thereโ€™s a pivotal election in April that you may not have heard about: A conservative judge on the Wisconsin Supreme Court is retiring, and four people are running in a race that could tip the body from its 4-3 conservative majority. Itโ€™s not hyperbole to say that whoever wins the race will determine whether the stateโ€™s abortion ban gets overtur...
9:49 AM
straight out of fucking family guy lmao
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with god damn border sharing with Illinois, especially Chicago? Yeah, that's definitely not gonna end well for WI
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/30/2023 6:24 PM
The former New York mayor's gun reform empire looks a lot like his presidential campaign.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/2/2023 1:09 AM
California lawmakers are trying again with a risky bill to restrict who can carry loaded weapons in public after the Supreme Court struck down restrictive concealed-carry laws.
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Even the LA Times is like "Dude, really?".
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Oh, and guess who this gives more power to? You guessed it! Fucking cops.
1:15 AM
I hate that this sock puppet of the rich is all we have that isn't fascist trash.
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my dude shouldโ€™ve gotten the recall
6:14 PM
dude is literally the dem mirror of the GOP in levels of bullshit spewing- โ€œMore guns, more lives lostโ€
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my dude shouldโ€™ve gotten the recall
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/2/2023 6:16 PM
Unfortunately, that would likely mean we get a GOP replacement that is ten times worse.
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too true
6:24 PM
from being raised in CA and living there for 25yrs, I can assuredly say that a large swathe of the states gun violence comes not from guns but from the CRUSHING wealth gap and impossible cost of living in ALL areas
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from being raised in CA and living there for 25yrs, I can assuredly say that a large swathe of the states gun violence comes not from guns but from the CRUSHING wealth gap and impossible cost of living in ALL areas
Literally dozens of studies have been done and repeated that confirm that nearly all crime stems from poverty. Despite these facts being widely available and reported on, Dems and GOP both intentionally keep impoverishing more and more people. None of them are ignorant of the consequences of their support for capitalists over the rest of us, it's such overwhelming data it's impossible to ignore. The only conclusion anyone can reasonably reach is... they want crime and violence to continue... that it benefits them to not eradicate poverty.
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Literally dozens of studies have been done and repeated that confirm that nearly all crime stems from poverty. Despite these facts being widely available and reported on, Dems and GOP both intentionally keep impoverishing more and more people. None of them are ignorant of the consequences of their support for capitalists over the rest of us, it's such overwhelming data it's impossible to ignore. The only conclusion anyone can reasonably reach is... they want crime and violence to continue... that it benefits them to not eradicate poverty.
Gives them an excuse to keep empowering the police to keep themselves in power
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Gives them an excuse to keep empowering the police to keep themselves in power
I'm sure that's one part of it.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/4/2023 7:00 PM
A federal law prohibiting marijuana users from possessing firearms is unconstitutional, a federal judge in Oklahoma has concluded, citing last year's U.S. Supreme Court ruling that significantly expanded gun rights.
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this is good the legal gray area w/ medical users is very confusing, there is consistently a question on r/liberalgunowners about it
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somewhat gun related/ gun adjacent karl from inrange is getting into it with ar15 dot come over his support of trans rights and shit https://twitter.com/InRangeTV/status/1621938956995645443?s=20
If you want to see what I said and the thread from last night, you can do so here: https://t.co/IO13xS0ZiL
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8:49 AM
I believe the term here is based?
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somewhat gun related/ gun adjacent karl from inrange is getting into it with ar15 dot come over his support of trans rights and shit https://twitter.com/InRangeTV/status/1621938956995645443?s=20
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/5/2023 4:25 PM
I posted the whole thing in #fascists-online for those interested.
4:26 PM
Be warned, there is some serious brainrot in there.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/6/2023 3:27 PM
Bill in the senate and house to remove all restrictions on SBRs
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/6/2023 3:28 PM
Why can't they just call them carbines?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/6/2023 3:31 PM
because the law was made in the 30s specifically against pistols (edited)
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but then pistols got taken out of the act so they just made pointless restrictions
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Be warned, there is some serious brainrot in there.
I started digging but didn't find what he said...But I sure did see a whole hell of a lot of triggered snowflakes.
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I started digging but didn't find what he said...But I sure did see a whole hell of a lot of triggered snowflakes.
Karl, and synistral (his friend) have been posting and supporting trans gun rights and the like. And you see the results in that thread. No doubt Karl's comments were deleted.
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Karl, and synistral (his friend) have been posting and supporting trans gun rights and the like. And you see the results in that thread. No doubt Karl's comments were deleted.
I sorta gathered that from the crocodile tears the snowflakes were shedding... but yeah saw none of the original posts they were crying about.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/8/2023 12:04 PM
"Assault Weapon" homicides are so rare you need graphs to comprehend it.
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AvoidOblivion 2/8/2023 12:13 PM
The vast majority of shootings are done with pistols. Banning "assault weapons" like AR-15s won't do much good. To really reduce gun violence deaths, you would need to ban all pistols, which is not going to happen.
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The vast majority of shootings are done with pistols. Banning "assault weapons" like AR-15s won't do much good. To really reduce gun violence deaths, you would need to ban all pistols, which is not going to happen.
gravybaby420 2/8/2023 12:27 PM
or increase education around firearms and helping people get out of situations in which they might kill someone but GOD FORBID ๐Ÿคž๐Ÿคž๐Ÿคž๐Ÿคž
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The vast majority of shootings are done with pistols. Banning "assault weapons" like AR-15s won't do much good. To really reduce gun violence deaths, you would need to ban all pistols, which is not going to happen.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/8/2023 12:39 PM
There's talk of extending the term to any semi-automatic weapons. They even called the Monterey Bay shooter's weapon an "assault pistol" ffs.
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Hell, Joe Biden himself once said he wanted to ban all semi-autos.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/10/2023 2:04 AM
You know that one gun YouTuber who keeps getting attention for edgy "jokes" about Nazis? No, not him, the other guy. That's right, Administrative Results. I've been following his schtick for some time and as he's enjoying some prominence I figured it was time to share.
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Who is Lucas Botkin?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/10/2023 8:27 AM
Warrior Poet Society guy.
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AvoidOblivion 2/10/2023 8:28 AM
That still doesnโ€™t help me. I donโ€™t pay much attention to guntubers because most of them seem to be far-right.
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That still doesnโ€™t help me. I donโ€™t pay much attention to guntubers because most of them seem to be far-right.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/10/2023 8:54 AM
This one in particular is the farthest right you can get.
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He is nakedly a christofascist to the point he makes most GOP'ers look tame.
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I would not be surprised if he ends up committing terrorism at some point in the future.
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AvoidOblivion 2/10/2023 9:09 AM
You assume he wasnโ€™t part of the insurrection.
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You assume he wasnโ€™t part of the insurrection.
I would assume if folks like him were, it would have had a lot more guns involved.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/11/2023 1:35 AM
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You want to turn a collectors gun into a grenade? That's how you do it.
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AvoidOblivion 2/11/2023 11:26 PM
This Kriss Vector .22LR is just beautiful. It's a shame they're pretty expensive. I'd love to have one some day.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/12/2023 1:19 AM
high price for high quality
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/12/2023 1:28 AM
Now if only I didn't live in CA so I wouldn't be stuck with that atrocious fucking fin grip.
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Now if only I didn't live in CA so I wouldn't be stuck with that atrocious fucking fin grip.
Come out to Colorado... everyone else from California is doing it.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/12/2023 1:54 AM
if you have a good paying Cali job, honestly just keep it and move to somewhere like colorado or idaho
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some of the guys my dad works with are LAFD firefighters and they will literally just fly down 3-4 times a month because the money they make way more than balances it out
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/12/2023 2:33 AM
Noted.
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Noted.
Yeah snag you a Cali remote job and you can do what all the other fucks up here where I am did. Buy 170k houses for 500k and complain about the price of food while voting down affordable housing projects.
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Yeah snag you a Cali remote job and you can do what all the other fucks up here where I am did. Buy 170k houses for 500k and complain about the price of food while voting down affordable housing projects.
AvoidOblivion 2/12/2023 5:53 PM
Thatโ€™s America.
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Found a shell casing in my house, a .50 cal from 1943
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Apparently made by Kelly Springfield, Allegany Ordnance Plant
10:56 PM
Doesn't seem to be worth much money, but it's a neat thing
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Found a shell casing in my house, a .50 cal from 1943
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/12/2023 10:56 PM
Quite possibly the most American thing I've ever heard.
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Quite possibly the most American thing I've ever heard.
Good luck charm from a waist gunner on a B-17 or any of the other 200,000 pieces of equipment that were used to kill fascists. Ironically following an ideology we exported to Germany and Italy.
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I think my relatives in the war were just infantrymen. I hope it's from one of them, but it could be from anybody. Maybe just something my brother just found laying around, or something someone in the family bought at one point or whatever else. Still a neat thing either way and a nice symbol
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Speaking of .50 cals, my state banned them recently I think
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I've yet to find a place you can even shoot 50 cal. Every range I've been to has banned the for fear of damaging the range.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/13/2023 1:50 PM
my local range has a .50 cal you can rent and you can shoot your own
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weirdly enough you canโ€™t use M855 though
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/7F_Pay7MErw Just gonna leave this here.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/13/2023 1:56 PM
I upgraded it
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/14/2023 3:30 PM
Oh for fuck's sake.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/14/2023 3:55 PM
Gavin Newsom Tries Not To Violate 2A Rights Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
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Oh for fuck's sake.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/15/2023 10:28 PM
So I heard you like Garands and bullpupsโ€ฆ
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/15/2023 10:31 PM
What... is that?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/15/2023 10:32 PM
bullpup garand :)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/15/2023 10:33 PM
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/15/2023 10:37 PM
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
bullpup garand :)
It's a work of art. Like Picasso's Guernica
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Because of Half Life?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/20/2023 3:11 AM
ROCHESTER, N.Y. (WROC) โ€” A group of local gun advocates gathered Saturday for a free seminar on basic firearms knowledge. The presentation was put on at the Flying Squirrel Community Center by the โ€ฆ
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/20/2023 7:24 PM
Imma just leave this here.
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AvoidOblivion 2/21/2023 5:58 PM
From the Ukrainian soldier whose trench fighting videos have gone viral recently: ะะš-74๐Ÿฆ…๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ะœะพะดะตั€ะฝะธะทะธั€ะพะฒะฐะฝ ะฟั€ะฐะบั‚ะธั‡ะตัะบะธ ะฟะพะปะฝะพัั‚ัŒัŽ,ะฝะพ ะฒัั‘ ะถะต ั ะฑัƒะดัƒ ะผะฝะพะณะพ ั‡ะตะณะพ ะผะตะฝัั‚ัŒ,ะธะทะผะตะฝะตะฝะธั ั‚ะฐะบ ะถะต ะฑัƒะดัƒั‚ ะพะฟัƒะฑะปะธะบะพะฒะฐะฝั‹ ะดะปั ะฒะฐั๐Ÿซก ะœะพะดะตั€ะฝะธะทะฐั†ะธั Fab Defence๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ ะšะพะปะปะธะผะฐั‚ะพั€ Holosan๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ะขะฐะบ ะถะต ัั‚ะพะธั‚ ะฑัƒั„ะตั€ ะพั‚ะดะฐั‡ะธ ั‡ั‚ะพ ัƒะผะตะฝัŒัˆะฐะตั‚ ะพั‚ะดะฐั‡ัƒ,ะฝะพ ั‚ะฐะบะถะต ะธ ัƒะฒะตะปะธั‡ะธะฒะฐะตั‚ ัะบะพั€ะพัั‚ั€ะตะปัŒะฝะพัั‚ัŒ) ะ”ะขะš,ะ“ะปัƒัˆะธั‚ะตะปัŒ,ะŸะปะฐะผัะณะฐัะธั‚ะตะปัŒ ะพั‚ ะบะพะผะฟะฐะฝะธะธ «STRELAโ€๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Translation (Rough): AK-74๐Ÿฆ…๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Modernized almost completely, but still I will change a lot of things, the changes will also be published for you๐Ÿซก Fab Defense Upgrade๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ Collimator Holosan๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ There is also a recoil buffer, which reduces recoil, but also increases the rate of fire) DTK, Silencer, Flame arrester from the company "STRELA"๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/21/2023 7:20 PM
https://www.first-spear.com/first-on-w/-gp-pouch/ In case anyone's looking for a very cheap plate carrier
Tactical Nylon Gear and Load Carriage Vests for military and law enforcement professionals.
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Just be warned it has no customizability
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) โ€” Detective: Colorado Springs gay nightclub shooter ran a neo-Nazi website, used gay and racial slurs online.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/22/2023 9:19 PM
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Click to see attachment ๐Ÿ–ผ๏ธ
AvoidOblivion 2/22/2023 9:19 PM
...wait, what?
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...wait, what?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/22/2023 9:32 PM
Guntuber trolling a butthurt homophobe and having a laugh at his expense.
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AvoidOblivion 2/22/2023 9:37 PM
Ohh, ok. It seems I couldn't exactly tell if the older comment in response to the butthurt homophobe was sarcastic or not, and so was having trouble telling if the Guntuber was being contradictory or annoying homophobes.
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Poeโ€™s law in action. Always prefer โ€œ/sโ€ over emojis. Cheers to InRangeTV though.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/23/2023 7:56 PM
Omaha, Nebraska, has a seen a steady decrease in gun violence over the past 15 years, without the state banning the sale of semiautomatic weapons like AR-15 style rifles
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/23/2023 8:09 PM
damn..,,.. whoโ€™d a thunk itโ€ฆ,,. ,
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/23/2023 8:15 PM
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/24/2023 3:15 PM
Bought a new holster and accidentally wound up supporting an apartheid state.
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Read the fine print, kids.
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Not that you should try, but ethical consumption of anything is super hard to do. And is 10x harder with anything to do with firearms. Hell even a large corporation like brownells owns ar15. Com and that place is a shit hole.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/24/2023 3:33 PM
It is comfy and of good quality. So at least there's that.
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Bought a new holster and accidentally wound up supporting an apartheid state.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/24/2023 5:26 PM
no ethical consumption under capitalism, youโ€™re sending money to israel through taxes anyways and if you bought from an american corporation some of it would probably wind up in israeli hands anyways
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/24/2023 5:27 PM
What can I say, money makes the world go around..... for now
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Tbh it always will. The question is who handles the money is what we should challenge
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ey yo, gun infighting
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For once I agree with law enforcement
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Why tf do you need to carry an AK. Going to emulate the Taliban and suicide bomb some schools?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/25/2023 9:20 AM
yeah, conceal carry should be left to handguns in my opinion
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my question is: How does one conceal a ak?!
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/25/2023 12:09 PM
trenchcoat
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a AR? can see, backpack ARs are a thing
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or a dress
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hey wait a second
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so if TN gop gov tries to outlaw pride, the gays can abuse the fact they are trying legalize concealed AK
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
trenchcoat
AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/25/2023 12:31 PM
What type though The name is not important or This can't be good for me but I feel great
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a AR? can see, backpack ARs are a thing
floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/25/2023 12:45 PM
AKs would be easier to conceal because they lack a buffer tube
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so you can fold them
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What type though The name is not important or This can't be good for me but I feel great
probably a rain trench or duster. Those go to your ankles
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/25/2023 3:13 PM
guys i just had a revelation that will break the entire holster industry
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who needs a holster when you have a belt
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/25/2023 3:21 PM
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Dear Lord ๐Ÿ˜‚
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FGC-9 3D-printed guns in production, reportedly in Myanmar being made for rebel fighters.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/25/2023 5:15 PM
based as shit
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/25/2023 5:18 PM
ooh yeah, saw a video of those in an ambush
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gun control is officially dead, worldwide
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JStark would be proud
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/25/2023 7:25 PM
Welp, there's another one on my shitlist.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/26/2023 5:19 PM
I support an insurgency now, apparently.
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Eh?
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my question is: How does one conceal a ak?!
Dracoโ€™s make pretty sweet backpack guns
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
I support an insurgency now, apparently.
AvoidOblivion 2/26/2023 6:11 PM
โ€œI spent 30 seconds looking at their website.โ€ (edited)
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Dracoโ€™s make pretty sweet backpack guns
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/26/2023 6:12 PM
I don't know why, but I despise Dracos.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/26/2023 6:13 PM
god i wish there was an insurgent group to support (edited)
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Eh?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/26/2023 6:14 PM
Rightoids malding that lefties own guns and aren't massive chuds about it.
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Gotcha
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WojtektheBear 2/27/2023 2:49 PM
Itโ€™s no surprise the defense industry is full of fascists, but the fact theyโ€™re not hiding it anymore tells us they believe this is good marketing. They are betting active support of fascism will help them sell guns. Thatโ€™s a very bad sign.
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This is why I say leftist groups need to own their own gun manufacturing (edited)
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I think only Remington is relatively unproblematic, and only recently
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/27/2023 3:06 PM
Look at the letters on the guy's shirt,
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/27/2023 3:07 PM
i see the p, not the other letter
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i don't get that other letter
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i hate that font so much
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/27/2023 3:07 PM
PB.
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I think only Remington is relatively unproblematic, and only recently
I need to start lobbying in favor of FN Herstal is what you mean ๐Ÿ‘€
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/27/2023 3:08 PM
As in the Proud Boys.
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THE BELGIAN LOBBY SHALL WIN
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As in the Proud Boys.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/27/2023 3:08 PM
ah
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got it
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I need to start lobbying in favor of FN Herstal is what you mean ๐Ÿ‘€
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I need to start lobbying in favor of FN Herstal is what you mean ๐Ÿ‘€
AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/27/2023 3:08 PM
FAL/G3 supremacy
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real talk tho, Remington is part owned by tribes. Its a lot less problematic then it used to be
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We kept getting trolled by US and Germany despite making the guns NATO wanted ๐Ÿ˜ญ
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P90/5-7 were so good Germany threw a massive fit over it
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We made the FAL like the US wanted "Uhhhh no we going 5.56 now"
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We own browning btw ๐Ÿ‘€
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/27/2023 3:51 PM
Normally, I roll my eyes when gun companies are accused of "pandering to criminals". This is the exception.
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Normally, I roll my eyes when gun companies are accused of "pandering to criminals". This is the exception.
WojtektheBear 2/27/2023 3:58 PM
Yeah this is deeply sus
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I need to start lobbying in favor of FN Herstal is what you mean ๐Ÿ‘€
the duality of man ๐Ÿ˜‘
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AvoidOblivion 2/27/2023 5:52 PM
A gun shop not too far away from me is selling several variants of the KSG shotgun.
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AvoidOblivion 2/27/2023 6:43 PM
Is steel core body armor better or worse than ceramic plate? What is the difference?
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Worse, it's heavier and you risk spalling. The only thing you'd be saving is money. Stick with ceramic. Level 4 rma ceramic plates are fairly popular around here.
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One of the mods posted a link to customer service, this is worth a complaint if you were thinking about buying from s and w
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Is steel core body armor better or worse than ceramic plate? What is the difference?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/27/2023 8:49 PM
worse, heavier and has shrapnel. the breakage of ceramic isnโ€™t really an issue IMO; if youโ€™re in a situation where youโ€™re gonna get shot consistently youโ€™re already gonna be on the ground from the kinetic impact
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Pussies.
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I don't know why, but I despise Dracos.
My comrades will still be able to fire my Norinco MAK-90 after I'm dead. And that's how I like my firearms. They might curse my name for how heavy it is... but that's also how I like my firearms.
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My comrades will still be able to fire my Norinco MAK-90 after I'm dead. And that's how I like my firearms. They might curse my name for how heavy it is... but that's also how I like my firearms.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/28/2023 2:48 AM
Hopefully they do the same with my Mossberg Maverick.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Pussies.
wow fuck them
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Now that's what I'm fuckin' talkin' about! Yes!
11:24 AM
Reach out and touch a motherfucker... in orbit.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/28/2023 9:10 PM
https://carbondate.cs.odu.edu/#https://perceeptionbrand.com/ So the website of that brand S&W was saying the shirt was promoting? Created the same day of the tweet. (edited)
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With no fanfare or announcement on their part.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/28/2023 11:48 PM
Didn't notice this on Friday, but the State is going back to the racist law well AGAIN, this time for the handgun roster case. Complete with another "I'm not racist, but" footnote.
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This shit makes me so mad.
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That whole paragraph read as "this law only passed because of racism since it violates constitutional law in multiple ways, but we're still going to cite it for our agenda"
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They cite other cases in which it's relevant at least
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What I got from it, mainly the end, was "this law is racist and deplorable, but it is proof that the government has the power to put restrictions on the Second Amendment"
8:34 AM
last sentence of it mainly
8:35 AM
I don't know the context of the case but I don't understand why this would be disputed. The "any gun law is an infringement!" stance isn't held by any legislator or judge afaik. Even the damn NRA is fine with certain restrictions
8:36 AM
like idk why "lawmakers have a degree of regulatory authority over guns" would be a real disputed claim in court that would require effort to fight
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I mean hell this seems to apply more to trade rather than ownership
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I'm probably just misunderstanding the whole thing
8:36 AM
Yeah
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True
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Which given the context I still can't figure out why they would cite this law given it's intention. It's pretty well established they can regulate the sell of guns
8:38 AM
Making it for an argument for handgun rosters is just kinda uncomfortable?
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Idk. It's only one part of their document
8:38 AM
probably the earlier part cuz it's "pre-Founding"
8:42 AM
So this is about a gun registry? (edited)
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Still seems skeevy AF to cite a law that was largely made due to racism and largely passed due to racism. It would be like if they cited Jim Crow laws in their arguments against drag queens/trans people as historical precedence y'know?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/1/2023 6:58 PM
The boomstick has arrived.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/1/2023 7:11 PM
le stick von boom
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/1/2023 7:23 PM
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The boomstick has arrived.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/1/2023 7:33 PM
looking sharp there
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/2/2023 12:55 AM
Now with more boom.
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Extra dakka
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/2/2023 8:56 PM
Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul filed the brief to answer challenges to the assault weapon ban, arguing the nationโ€™s founding fathers owned guns that could only shoot a single shot before reloading โ€” proving assault weapons werenโ€™t in โ€œcommon useโ€ at the time.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/4/2023 6:32 PM
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/4/2023 6:38 PM
Just wait until someone does a mass shooting with a fucking bolt action, there goes his logic
6:41 PM
I swear to god if this dumbass was president wayy back in the day he would have run for a ban on Lever action rifles because criminals use it to rob banks
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Just wait until someone does a mass shooting with a fucking bolt action, there goes his logic
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/4/2023 6:46 PM
Already happened with Charles Whitman in the Texas Tower Shooting.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/4/2023 6:47 PM
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Seriously though, wait till each trigger pull of a mass shooter sends 9-10 .30 caliber balls into a huddled mass of kids. Instead of one medium power tapered 5.56 leaving a fairly clean entry and exit wound, 9 really messy ones. No one is thinking.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/5/2023 7:31 AM
Or better yet, imagine what the corpses look like when the killer uses a humble 12 gauge. Oh wait, you don't have to because the Columbine shooters used them.
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Or better yet, imagine what the corpses look like when the killer uses a humble 12 gauge. Oh wait, you don't have to because the Columbine shooters used them.
That's what I was referring to.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/5/2023 10:33 PM
The .30 Carbine (7.62×33mm) is a rimless carbine/rifle cartridge used in the M1 carbine introduced in the 1940s. It is a light rifle round designed to be fired from the M1 carbine's 18-inch (458 mm) barrel.
10:34 PM
@Spinner thought you meant this.
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Oh, no... pretty sure single 0 is .30 cal shot. bounces around nicely in the barrel to get a bigger spread but doesn't lose velocity like birdshot.
10:35 PM
Could be mistaken, been a while since I looked it up.
10:38 PM
But regardless yeah 5 - 12g shells of buckshot of any size other than bird will do WAY more killing than a 30rnd mag of 5.56. Particularly from a shorty. So much so that Germany in WW1 famous for using mustard gas accused the US of war crimes because of our shotguns.
10:38 PM
A trench ain't much skinnier than some school hallways.
10:40 PM
Though... I'd be more than a little impressed if someone took an M1-Carbine to a school shooting. Horrified, but impressed all the same.
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Rma plates are pretty popular in these parts so I'm gonna post this warning. It's nothing actionable but 6 plates of a recent batch failed recent NIJ testing. If you have plates continue to use them. Just something people should be aware of
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NIJ ADVISORY NOTICE #07-2023: RMA โ€“ 1155. The 1155 series has been an unflinching partner for M2AP protection for users around the world.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/11/2023 4:59 PM
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/11/2023 5:16 PM
also got an LBV from the army nsvy store iโ€™m adjusting rn, expect pics of that too in a bit
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Ragnar Bear-Fister 3/11/2023 6:51 PM
I really like my condor water bottle pouch, but it is just a different enough shade of green to annoy me
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btw; let this be a reminder that you donโ€™t need a $250 JPC and $150 worth of MOLLE shit to have a functional rig
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iโ€™ve got a $20 LBV i got from the army navy store and a magazine pouch my dad stole took home from iraq
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ZephyraTheMare 3/13/2023 5:08 PM
Can anyone point me to the advantage or disadvantage of grey firearms / gear? Best I have been able to find is it referenced as โ€œurban greyโ€ and wonder if it affords any advantage over typical black firearms and gear?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/13/2023 6:45 PM
So because it has taken over two weeks to get here, the company was nice enough to refund my order so now I'm getting a $230+ flashlight attachment for my Glock absolutely free (if it arrives).
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/13/2023 7:14 PM
https://youtu.be/7sv4NI-wYrg Also why is every gun in this game so astoundingly fucking cursed?!
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They probably modeled the weapons off a digital photograph of each weapon, leading to the models being mirrored from their real life versions. At least that would explain why they are all left handed fired by a right handed avatar.
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Proud of my first safe sticker ๐Ÿ˜
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Hey, is someone from Virginia? We got a fash fuck branding barrels at his kids head
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need help with laws over guns and shit there
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/14/2023 2:23 PM
Even as the president bemoans the injustice of pot prohibition, his administration insists that cannabis consumers have no right to arms.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/14/2023 3:12 PM
because he doesnt believe people should have a right to bear arms bruh
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/14/2023 7:07 PM
yall know i got tha cheapest kit around
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yall know i got tha cheapest kit around
AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/14/2023 9:55 PM
you still got the ritz
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/14/2023 10:15 PM
Not quite as ergonomic as I thought it would be, but it works.
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Not quite as ergonomic as I thought it would be, but it works.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/14/2023 10:19 PM
iirc they're made to sit flush with the trigger guard, that might help?
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iirc they're made to sit flush with the trigger guard, that might help?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/14/2023 10:23 PM
This is the rail key for the gen 3 and that's as far as it goes.
10:29 PM
Besides, if it went any further, I'd be seeing the shadow of the barrel every time I turned it on.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/14/2023 10:57 PM
ahhh
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/14/2023 11:03 PM
Lmao so PenguinZ0 responded to sneako on a vid where he was showing off his gun going "Watch my clips" like the annoying little shit he is(pretty sure his fingers were on the trigger of a loaded gun being pointed at a camera) and Charlie just casually goes on a mini rant on how a mag is not a fucking clip
11:04 PM
Charlie also had great trigger discipline, his fingers were off the trigger at all times
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/14/2023 11:05 PM
Speaking of barrels, my Maverick now has a flashlight mount.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/14/2023 11:05 PM
looks cool
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/14/2023 11:05 PM
And practical too.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/14/2023 11:07 PM
Always a great combo
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/14/2023 11:12 PM
I can now light them up while I light them up.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/14/2023 11:13 PM
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/14/2023 11:14 PM
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Mexico has filed an appeal in a civil lawsuit against U.S.-based gun manufacturers, it said on Wednesday, looking to crack down on the trafficking of weapons to powerful drug cartels.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/16/2023 11:27 PM
Modifications so far. Looking for a good shoulder sling.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/17/2023 3:51 PM
Through interventions such as conflict resolution, behavioral therapy and job training, we're offering high-risk young people a way out, he writes.
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Stoeger S4000-E
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Air Rifle
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From 800 to 1000 fps
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/17/2023 8:25 PM
I used to have an air rifle, nice little thing
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it wasn't break action though
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you opened a bolt and inserted a bunch of round pellets and cranked a lever
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well, it wasn't a bolt
8:26 PM
just a little hatch
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Modifications so far. Looking for a good shoulder sling.
Thought about getting a light with a remote on/off?
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Thought about getting a light with a remote on/off?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/17/2023 10:55 PM
Aren't those quite pricy?
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Aren't those quite pricy?
I haven't looked recently... but probably, since they are also meant to take the shock of being in such close proximity to a barely controlled explosion.
10:56 PM
Which is super hard to do with LEDs.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/17/2023 11:57 PM
You just know this chud salivates at the thought of enacting a "Bloody Sunday" esque massacre on leftists.
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Ugh
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You just know this chud salivates at the thought of enacting a "Bloody Sunday" esque massacre on leftists.
bat'koMakhno 3/18/2023 1:18 AM
Hes painful unfunny, he looks oddly puffy and just repeats the most lazy mainstream rw meme ideas with no originality.
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Though I really do want a .50 BMG AK.
12:14 PM
Just not from him.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/19/2023 1:57 AM
Got the heat shield on.
1:58 AM
I'd say I got it for safety concerns but honestly, I just wanted to make my Maverick look like a Trench Gun a little bit. (edited)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/19/2023 10:16 AM
Thats a really nice case
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For a really nice gun
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/19/2023 11:41 AM
Aesthetics are more important than functionality
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Aesthetics are more important than functionality
AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/19/2023 12:29 PM
engravings give you all tactical advantage
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/19/2023 8:23 PM
And there goes another one.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/19/2023 10:57 PM
God damnit
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Lets start our own gun content... and promote equality and diversity
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Lets start our own gun content... and promote equality and diversity
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/19/2023 11:50 PM
https://www.abetterway2a.com/ Might be what you're looking for.
A Better Way 2A is a gun rights advocacy organization that promotes a diverse gun community made up of different races, gender identities, political ideologies and backgrounds. We sell 2A apparel and accessories, where a portion of the proceeds go to various nonprofits. Gun rights are human rights!
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Can anyone tell me if this real or not? A local fash who assaulted an indigenous teenager posted this
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/20/2023 12:03 AM
Nice trigger discipline, dipshit.
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Can anyone tell me if this real or not? A local fash who assaulted an indigenous teenager posted this
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/20/2023 12:04 AM
Judging by the fact he went through the trouble of blurring out the serial number, I think it's real.
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Nice trigger discipline, dipshit.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/20/2023 12:16 AM
And off safe
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God damnit
Grand thumb is buddy buddy with t. Rex arms and administrative results. And those two are fucking awful.
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fromdefilade 3/20/2023 12:06 PM
Like heโ€™s ever given two shits about womenโ€™s sports besides to get a few chuckles out of his buddies when they make fun of the equivalent womenโ€™s leagues
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtube.com/shorts/Lg699kJHWAo?feature=share Phillip Luty is smiling at this video.
mmmm yes gun technicals
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/24/2023 12:07 AM
โ€œWeโ€™re as for guns as you could possibly be, but this seems like an incitement,โ€ the Fox host complained.
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TIME TO SCARE FUCKER BOY
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/24/2023 12:11 AM
Face the consequences of your actions, asshole.
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MMM Fascist fear
12:16 AM
goes great with the tears of GOPers
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Allegedly Human 3/24/2023 9:31 AM
Funny how that happens ๐Ÿค”
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AvoidOblivion 3/24/2023 6:58 PM
Senate Bill 41 would have authorized concealed carry permit holders to carry firearms on certain school properties, authorize conceal carry for law enforcement employees and repealed pistol purchasโ€ฆ
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/26/2023 12:25 AM
Don't lie. You want it.
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What kind of gun IS that?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Don't lie. You want it.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/26/2023 12:54 AM
my wrist doesnโ€™t though
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my wrist doesnโ€™t though
Yeah, not just no, but fuck no... I don't care if it's heavy and that will offset the recoil a lot.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/26/2023 1:44 AM
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Institutional problems with accidental discharge as a precursor to today's qualified immunity.... https://youtube.com/shorts/S0euFb0pB6s
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/26/2023 6:40 PM
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fromdefilade 3/26/2023 6:43 PM
Dead country, dead racist losers, dead free market gets a mf a buck
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/26/2023 6:44 PM
If they wanted to be accurate, they should have said "Rhodesians die really fucking quick.".
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fromdefilade 3/26/2023 7:41 PM
Plenty of em dead and rotting in a land they never shoulda been in lmao check out the Lions Led By Donkeys episode on how pathetic rhodesia was everyone
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Don't lie. You want it.
Raps [PDX,OR] 3/26/2023 11:35 PM
Google pepperbox shotgun.
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Had the SOCOM almost a year, finally got to take it to the range. (Not shown: ear to ear grinning).
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/27/2023 10:19 PM
https://youtu.be/ue5XaA6UUIM?t=53 Probably the best representation of what a shotgun does to someone's head.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/ue5XaA6UUIM?t=53 Probably the best representation of what a shotgun does to someone's head.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/27/2023 10:33 PM
i've another video which particularly shows what it does to someone's head but uhhh... i don't think anyone wants to see that
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The horror movie "X" also features a surprisingly grounded death by shotgun
11:09 PM
it actually plays a part in the story, surprisingly
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/28/2023 5:32 PM
Despite how the right is twisting the shooting in Nashville, I think some of us can at least learn a little bit from the police bodycam on how to move and engage a target. https://youtu.be/frM1zPPrvaY
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/29/2023 12:57 AM
Ah yes, the hand remover
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/29/2023 1:06 AM
Yeet Cannon: Maximum Yeet Edition
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oy, any folks from Ohio? There's been a request for security
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/29/2023 3:10 PM
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/29/2023 3:47 PM
Delete rabbits and squirrels from reality
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Delete rabbits and squirrels from reality
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/29/2023 5:02 PM
Because fuck them and their entire extended family.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/30/2023 1:14 AM
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P90 !!!???!!!
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/30/2023 9:55 AM
Wood > Polymer fight me
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I like the look
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Itโ€™s just classy
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Wood > Polymer fight me
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I think I was watching a vaush stream and this was brought up.
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That p90 is drippy
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/30/2023 7:04 PM
Finally went and did it.
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Finally went and did it.
oof.
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Good luck.
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oof.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/30/2023 7:20 PM
They're my most local option. The nearest JBGC is in LA and I'm not even sure if the nearest Redneck Revolt chapter is even around anymore.
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we've had some member stuck in limbo with them for a while (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/30/2023 7:21 PM
That being said, I'm still going to get in touch with the JBGC. See if they even have any members near me or if I can do anything to help.
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or had people with ideological differences not had a good experience with them, hopefully you local chapter is active
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or had people with ideological differences not had a good experience with them, hopefully you local chapter is active
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/30/2023 7:24 PM
They keep their heads down on social media, so they seem more focused on actually training than drama.
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Also their little quip about Elon makes me giggle.
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or had people with ideological differences not had a good experience with them, hopefully you local chapter is active
Active and not filled with tankies.
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Good luck.
Most sra branches are ancoms. Its not a bad starting point.
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Zed-Juron
we've had some member stuck in limbo with them for a while (edited)
Raps [PDX,OR] 3/31/2023 2:03 AM
Some chapters are more active than others. I sit on the national assembly and it seems like the only time we hear from certain local chapter members is when we put their chapter up for deratification.
2:04 AM
That being said OCSRA is actually pretty good and regularly active.
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Wood > Polymer fight me
Raps [PDX,OR] 3/31/2023 2:05 AM
Aesthetics, yes but on a sub gun I'll take poly all day every day.
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Too late Max Naumann
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DevilTheAutopoet 3/31/2023 5:56 PM
Funny how quick right wingers flip on 2A when it's people they don't like that are arming up.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/31/2023 6:40 PM
The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms without a permit. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and signed into law by governor of California Ronald Reagan, the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakla...
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That's how it's always been.
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"Pro-2a 'til the wielder is gay." as I like to say. (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/31/2023 7:07 PM
Ewww, wtf is that โ€œbeardโ€?
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pubic hair
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 3/31/2023 8:03 PM
my current facial hair situation does not allow me to insult ben shapiro
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Woodland helmet cover finally came in, just waiting for my belt and holster upgrades and my larp load out will be complete
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/31/2023 8:15 PM
yooo based
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"Pro-2a 'til the wielder is gay." as I like to say. (edited)
DevilTheAutopoet 3/31/2023 8:19 PM
Or black. Or an immigrant. Or neurodivergent. Or Muslim.
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So on and so forth.
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Soon it will even Irish not need apply with these fucks
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And I'm already half Mexican and disabled, they gotta stick it to my quarter Irish lineage too?
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my current facial hair situation does not allow me to insult ben shapiro
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/31/2023 9:19 PM
Still better than that piece of shit
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/31/2023 9:53 PM
Whereโ€™d you get the helmet? Ops-core? Looking at a team wendy exfil myself
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/31/2023 10:55 PM
More likely a Dirty Sanchez.
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If you don't know what that is, don't look it up.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/31/2023 11:27 PM
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And I'm already half Mexican and disabled, they gotta stick it to my quarter Irish lineage too?
Well, Biden is touring Ireland.
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Whereโ€™d you get the helmet? Ops-core? Looking at a team wendy exfil myself
It's high com off of apex armor much cheaper that team Wendy
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Firelances are cool af. Blows my mind how far back the rifle really goes. (edited)
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The splinters that would create tho.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/1/2023 2:30 PM
Have you considered getting gel pads for your earpro? It's a nominal upgrade but God does it make a world of difference. Especially if you wear glasses.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Whereโ€™d you get the helmet? Ops-core? Looking at a team wendy exfil myself
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/1/2023 2:31 PM
Team Wendy uses proprietary rails on their helmets which can limit you on attachments, FYI.
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Raps [PDX,OR]
Have you considered getting gel pads for your earpro? It's a nominal upgrade but God does it make a world of difference. Especially if you wear glasses.
I haven't considered it, but I haven't actually had any issues with my current set up so far.
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RebelKitty
Firelances are cool af. Blows my mind how far back the rifle really goes. (edited)
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/1/2023 2:37 PM
Sadly just an April fools
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Zed-Juron
I haven't considered it, but I haven't actually had any issues with my current set up so far.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/1/2023 2:39 PM
If you wear your cans for longer than 30 minutes at a time it's a great upgrade. One of a few times I took the advice from the nerds at r/tactical gear to heart and felt better because of it.
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I'll look into it, ty for the advice
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Sadly just an April fools
RebelKitty 4/1/2023 2:52 PM
Nice ๐Ÿ˜น the fire lance was a thing in China just after the Vikings were dying down so it wasn't the most out there leap to make either. Gud trollin'.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/1/2023 3:01 PM
Yep
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Raps [PDX,OR]
Team Wendy uses proprietary rails on their helmets which can limit you on attachments, FYI.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/1/2023 3:40 PM
yeah i know, i primarily want their helmets for the visor since i like my face
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/1/2023 5:42 PM
Word. Some people don't realize that and then when the buy a TW helmet they do the surprised Pikachu face.
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Spinner
Well, Biden is touring Ireland.
Its a pretty cool place.
12:16 AM
They get some things wrong but overall got the big picture correct.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
They get some things wrong but overall got the big picture correct.
RebelKitty 4/2/2023 2:56 PM
It only took 60 years but hey, we all start somewhere ๐Ÿ˜น
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Okay but I want to talk about the modular stock adapter they showed for the AK. I need it.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/2/2023 9:43 PM
That's pretty slick for not being a zenitco
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Zed-Juron
Woodland helmet cover finally came in, just waiting for my belt and holster upgrades and my larp load out will be complete
Nice, I personally wear an all white shroud on mine for my Medical set-up.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Everyone's gonna hate this, but California style restrictions on guns are going to be the only legal-ish way to curtail the deadliest weapons used in many/most mass shootings. 10rd Mags probably the biggest factor. I want people to be able to have guns, but the minority of fuckups have already ruined it for everyone else. There needs to be some greater level of gatekeeping to this "fundamental right," imo. My interpretation of the stats leads me to conclude that more people lose their lives unnecessarily than whose lives are saved, but that's certainly disputable. Quibbling over the semantics of "assault weapon" is just "thoughts and prayers" in another language. ps: I own guns, they're awesome, and I wouldn't want to give them up either, but I could accept some hard compromises to save the lives of school children, mall-goers, college students, coworkers, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Whatever it takes to keep the most deadly guns out of the hands of the highest risk persons.
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Everyone's gonna hate this, but California style restrictions on guns are going to be the only legal-ish way to curtail the deadliest weapons used in many/most mass shootings. 10rd Mags probably the biggest factor. I want people to be able to have guns, but the minority of fuckups have already ruined it for everyone else. There needs to be some greater level of gatekeeping to this "fundamental right," imo. My interpretation of the stats leads me to conclude that more people lose their lives unnecessarily than whose lives are saved, but that's certainly disputable. Quibbling over the semantics of "assault weapon" is just "thoughts and prayers" in another language. ps: I own guns, they're awesome, and I wouldn't want to give them up either, but I could accept some hard compromises to save the lives of school children, mall-goers, college students, coworkers, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Whatever it takes to keep the most deadly guns out of the hands of the highest risk persons.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 4:04 AM
https://youtu.be/nU_G3XCRBCE Czechia seems to pull off having those scary assault weapons just fine.
4:06 AM
And they're one of the safest places in Europe.
4:10 AM
Also, California had three back to back mass shootings involving banned weapons to start the year off with.
4:11 AM
There are simply too many weapons in circulation at this point for gun control to make a difference. (edited)
4:14 AM
And that's not getting into the rampant corruption of the ATF and US law enforcement in general. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/nU_G3XCRBCE Czechia seems to pull off having those scary assault weapons just fine.
This is super interesting, but it's also a different country with a different history and society. I was curious on what kind of high-profile killings happen there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Czech_Republic and at least in the modern age, for whatever reason, guns aren't racking up huge numbers. I wonder how they would react if there were weekly/monthly school shootings taking the lives of their children. I agree that there are already too many weapons out there for any kind of hard prohibitions, obviously CAs shootings demonstrate that. But it's a risk management problem. You can't stop every bad thing from happening, but you can minimize risk. Banned weapons are likely to be rarer in circulation, that's good. Having stricter registration, training standards reduces the risk of legal guns ending up in the hands of criminals, that's good. Every policy is porous, of course, and the abysmal state of mental health care (and the downstream societal health stress that creates) certainly contributes. But I just can't accept that a 19yo posts a bunch of threatening messages online, can go buy an AR15 w 30rd mags and roll up to his community college the next day blasting. There has to be a better way to manage the risk of firearms. CA ranks rather low on gun violence given our high population, wealth inequality, and urbanization, which suggests that gun policy works to some degree. When has civilian gun ownership or possession been an effective response to "rampant corruption" in law enforcement?
The following lists include the incidents that occurred in the territory of the present-day Czech Republic in which the killing of more than five non-combatant people (unarmed civilians, prisoners, or prisoners of war) took place.
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Anyway, I'm not trying to start a huge debate, our opinions don't matter how the rest of the world plays out. It just fuckin sucks to hear about kids getting killed in school by some piece of shit every other fucking day. I think it's worth it to put more effort into keeping the deadliest weapons away from the highest risk people, and that's not an easy judgement to make... but it's worth talking about.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 4:26 AM
"When has civilian gun ownership or possession been an effective response to "rampant corruption" in law enforcement?" The Black Panthers want a word.
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They banned open carry in CA after that.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 4:28 AM
The Battle of Athens (sometimes called the McMinn County War) was a rebellion led by citizens in Athens and Etowah, Tennessee, United States, against the local government in August 1946. The citizens, including some World War II veterans, accused the local officials of predatory policing, police brutality, political corruption, and voter intimid...
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Mind you, I'm not against reasonable restrictions such as training requirements and strict background checks.
4:30 AM
But feature bans can fuck right off.
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That story is based af. But pointing to these rare historical events from 100 years go doesn't account for the reality of today.
4:31 AM
And is that what we want out society to be? Armed townsfolk taking over and threatening violence? That's some Jan6 bullshit.
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And is that what we want out society to be? Armed townsfolk taking over and threatening violence? That's some Jan6 bullshit.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 4:34 AM
If the government is as unflinchingly corrupt as the one of Athens, then yes, I do want people to be able to have a means to stand against them when all other means have failed.
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LGBTQ defenders in Texas are mobilizing to protect their communities amid sustained far right attacks on drag shows.
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Emotionally, yeah, fuck the Athens Sheriff or whatever, but that's not a mature way to try to forge a better society. That is also an exceptional case that (imo) doesn't outweigh the tens of thousands of negative cases that happen every year. I think it's a bit disingenuous to point to the drag &/or trans culture war in this context. The guns were drawn upon them first, and therefore it's a justified defensive reaction. Whereas the negative externality that I'd like to address is the guns being used against children and innocent people in public spaces by questionable people. And that's the rub. Who are the "questionable people?" How could we fairly judge? I don't know... but I think we can do a lot better than we are now if we could agree on that goal. The sensible thing to do, I suggest, is to raise the barriers for gun purchasing, licensing for possession/carry, and the types of firearms. I assume you agree that full-auto and suppressors are features that don't belong in general, unregulated public circulation. I AM disappointed that it's almost impossible to get a carry license in CA, but I can live with that, it's not that scary out there... yet ๐Ÿ™‚
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bowango
They banned open carry in CA after that.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 6:26 AM
Yeah, because in the US, gun laws have a history of being weaponized against minorities. https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29093/the-racist-origins-of-us-gun-control.pdf
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I understand where you're coming from, but those regulations are not going to affect who you think they are.
6:32 AM
They're going to be used to control the lower classes while nothing is done to fix the systemic problems causing people to kill eachother.
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DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 12:04 PM
Furthermore, regulating guns to reduce mass shootings, even if that did work, would be treating the symptom rather than the disease. The reason that violence is so common in the US is the intersection of wealth inequality, toxic masculinity, and racism. Tackle those three problems, and you'll see violence drop like a stone. If you just try reduce the number of people with access to guns A) in practice in our country that will most likely mean gatekeeping it for the privileged classes, and B) you'll likely just see a rapid uptick in things like arson, vehicular homicide, and IED's.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:06 PM
Not to mention how gun control is dead and being cremated due to the advent of 3D printed guns
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DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 12:09 PM
One of the biggest issues leading to this problem that's also one of the easiest to solve is the toxic masculinity within US gun culture itself. In the US, guns are viewed as the symbol of masculinity, and in our media we frequently show heroic men who resolve all their problems by using guns. We can resolve this issue easier than some of the others by queering gun culture. By turning guns into a symbol of liberation for marginalised and especially of queer people, we can rapidly strip the toxic masculinity from the gun culture. It's also a matter of educating people about gun safety and the reality of what guns are and do. And also mocking the toxicity in the gun culture (that's part of why I love terms like "gravy seals") for the ridiculous coping that it is. When we make it uncool to use guns as a way to flaunt your masculinity, that'll be huge step towards resolving the issue.
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bowango
That story is based af. But pointing to these rare historical events from 100 years go doesn't account for the reality of today.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/3/2023 12:31 PM
They play a greater role in the reality of today especially when there are police exemptions written in to the laws themselves. A big factor in these mass shootings is that the shooters had been pointed out to LEOs or DOJ orgs before the shooting took place. As a quasi abolitionist I find it suspect that the judicial body society has entrusted to prevent things like this from happening conveniently decide that these threats aren't an issue moments before tragedy strikes. Disarmament would only lead to more bodies being stacked because the right and the police aren't giving up their guns.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/3/2023 12:35 PM
Ah yes the shotgun rifle
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/3/2023 12:37 PM
The sensible thing to do, I suggest, is to raise the barriers for gun purchasing, licensing for possession/carry, and the types of firearms. I assume you agree that full-auto and suppressors are features that don't belong in general, unregulated public circulation. I AM disappointed that it's almost impossible to get a carry license in CA, but I can live with that, it's not that scary out there... yet ๐Ÿ™‚
By doing this you're effectively creating barriers to access for the groups buying guns which happen to be BIPOC and LGBTQ+ community members, and that isn't very comradely my dude. I'm gonna call this out for what it is and hopefully not hurt your feelings in the process but this is heavy handed lib talk and I can't stand by while it gets pushed on others with potentially dangerous outcomes in the future.
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One of the biggest issues leading to this problem that's also one of the easiest to solve is the toxic masculinity within US gun culture itself. In the US, guns are viewed as the symbol of masculinity, and in our media we frequently show heroic men who resolve all their problems by using guns. We can resolve this issue easier than some of the others by queering gun culture. By turning guns into a symbol of liberation for marginalised and especially of queer people, we can rapidly strip the toxic masculinity from the gun culture. It's also a matter of educating people about gun safety and the reality of what guns are and do. And also mocking the toxicity in the gun culture (that's part of why I love terms like "gravy seals") for the ridiculous coping that it is. When we make it uncool to use guns as a way to flaunt your masculinity, that'll be huge step towards resolving the issue.
Not to mention the outright sexism of it all. You a cutie that wants a decent set of lady cut hunting or range clothes? That'll be 50% more for 50% less please.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:40 PM
I donโ€™t know a solution to the masa shooting epidemic, tbh. Non-skill-based restrictions are very easy to be made into discriminatory and exclusionary restrictions that will very much so be used to deny firearms to minorities
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Firearm education, imo. Switzerland doesn't have mass shootings or wars and everyone is trained to defend themselves.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:42 PM
I am really curious why this happens so much in America while it happens once every 5 years in Czechia, and Czechia has waaaay lower gun violence per capita even though itโ€™s easier to get a gun there than in many US states
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Statistics say more guns means more death. I do agree that there is problematic elements of gun control but that doesn't necessarily mean gun control itself is bad One of the things about, say, Czech republic, is A.) They are eastern European and they probably have that now justified distrust of Russian neighbors. Lithuania is similar and B.) Guns can be seized for a LOT of shit there. Public drunk and disorderly with a firearm on you? no gun for you Along with a extremely strict requirement for firearms training and generally a less corrupt police force (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:42 PM
Hell, you can legally own a fully automatic pistol or rifle there with no extra licensing
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Hell, you can legally own a fully automatic pistol or rifle there with no extra licensing
Higher legal consequences for fooling around with guns usually
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Finland is another example. I would also say states like Idaho with a high volume of hunters and experienced owners. High gun ownership + mandatory service or training = very low gun violence
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Yeah but I don't trust Idaho with my car much less a fucking gun
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Finland also has mandatory military service
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That means your ass is in the system
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:45 PM
youโ€™re already jn the system buying any gun in america?
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see mandatory background checks
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True, but I pointed out the training doesn't have to be military. Idaho kids have a high relative rate of being in hunter's education and there is almost no gun violence.
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Firearm education, imo. Switzerland doesn't have mass shootings or wars and everyone is trained to defend themselves.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/3/2023 12:45 PM
But that's also backed up with compulsory service which is a p big no no in the radical left communities.
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Yeah but as Douglas showed, there's no real teeth to enforce it if someone cocks it all up
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There's a reason I'm for punishing gunshop owners for not doing their job
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A gun shop should be as regulated as a pharmacy
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Imo
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In my high school I did a presentation on using a bolt action rifle with the rifle, lol. It was so normal the fear and criminal motive to use them were like nonexistent.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/3/2023 12:47 PM
I hate to say this but the prevalence of mass shootings is indicative of how much the police system has failed and is in dire need or restructuring. EDIT: hate to say it because it sounds like I am pro police. (edited)
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Well no shit
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But to do that, we pretty much HAVE to make a replacement
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:48 PM
Yeah, I really donโ€™t know what the solution should be. I canโ€™t think of anything which is simultaneously effective, plausible, and not too restrictive
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Optimally it would be a culture change but thatโ€™s not really possible to do
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Raps [PDX,OR]
But that's also backed up with compulsory service which is a p big no no in the radical left communities.
It's also why they can't get shit done imo. Learn military tactics can go a long fucking way as the black panthers can attest
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Idk if we need militarized police and all but I do kinda miss the local sheriff having to get a posse to actually shoot someone. It was like a legislative check to the sheriff.
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Not if your texas
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Fucking Texas
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It's also why they can't get shit done imo. Learn military tactics can go a long fucking way as the black panthers can attest
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:49 PM
Yeah, Iโ€™m honestly considering joining the national guard for the purpose of learning the skills of soldiering and TCCC
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Only like a 5% chance I do it but still
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It's also why they can't get shit done imo. Learn military tactics can go a long fucking way as the black panthers can attest
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/3/2023 12:49 PM
I don't disagree with you.
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Cops need only non and less lethals besides SWAT imo, lol. Most of those clowns need to not be aiming deadly weapons at anyone.
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Not the most popular take but I've shot with enough to be thoroughly embarrassed by their training standards.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:52 PM
and cops need to stop being trained like thereโ€™s a sniper in the bushes every 300 feet
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The fact that they need stronger weapons than anyone, tanks, etc. Is just further proof of their service to the uppermost class, and not the citizens themselves.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 12:52 PM
and that human lives have value even if theyโ€™ve done something that can justify responding with lethal force
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There are so many examples of technically justified police shooting that still didnโ€™t truly warrant taking a life
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Hell, one of my uncles is an example. He shot a guy during a pursuit as a cop
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Was the guy trying to run him over like what technically almost happened? No, he was fucking blocked in and he was standing in the way of the only escape route
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AvoidOblivion 4/3/2023 1:18 PM
Ukrainian soldier โ€œPredatorโ€ was gifted an M4 recently. He is the soldier who defended his trenches against multiple attacks and destroyed a Russian APC. He shared this to his Telegram: โ€œIn general, it was decided to equip the M4 with the latest technology, and due to the fact that there are no cartridges for it yet, respectively, buy themโœŠ I read everything you write Accordingly, let it be your way๐Ÿซก I will buy what ordinary army infantrymen use ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ In the future I will show in detail what and why I buy and put on M4 ๐Ÿ™‚ Many thanks in advance to everyone๐Ÿฆ…๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆโ€
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And recently had this to say about it: โ€œM4A1๐Ÿ”ฅ Today I tried it in action, I can say that it's just a work of art๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Very good assault rifle It remains to wait for the cartridges and go to work with her๐Ÿ”ฅ P.S. A pack of 20 cartridges costs 720 hryvnia๐Ÿซฃ, don't be stingy๐Ÿฅฒโ€
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 4:55 PM
My wife is very anti-gun. She has her reasons and I've found some compromises about it, but I want to be able to defend my home and family if/when we can no longer trust law enforcement to do so. I bought my first personally owned firearm back in 2020 just before the elections. Was a good move I feel. I bought another smaller CCW piece last year, but today I got my first long gun. It's a Henry Side Gate 45-70 lever action. All in brass. I even got a brass adorned scope to go on it. I am assembling tonight and I'm very excited.
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My wife is very anti-gun. She has her reasons and I've found some compromises about it, but I want to be able to defend my home and family if/when we can no longer trust law enforcement to do so. I bought my first personally owned firearm back in 2020 just before the elections. Was a good move I feel. I bought another smaller CCW piece last year, but today I got my first long gun. It's a Henry Side Gate 45-70 lever action. All in brass. I even got a brass adorned scope to go on it. I am assembling tonight and I'm very excited.
AvoidOblivion 4/3/2023 5:15 PM
If you are comfortable doing so, please send pictures. Lever action rifles are beautiful and I would love to see what yours looks like.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 5:18 PM
45-70's expensive as hell I've heard.
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 5:20 PM
I got a few boxes of ammo at a gun show recently for $60/bx of 20. $3.00 to pull the trigger at that rate. I'm going to need to learn to do reloads. (edited)
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AvoidOblivion
If you are comfortable doing so, please send pictures. Lever action rifles are beautiful and I would love to see what yours looks like.
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 5:22 PM
Here is the scope assembly. It came earlier than the rifle and I couldn't resist a dry assembly. I'll post more after I finish final assembly tonight. (edited)
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callsign_romeo
I got a few boxes of ammo at a gun show recently for $60/bx of 20. $3.00 to pull the trigger at that rate. I'm going to need to learn to do reloads. (edited)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 5:23 PM
Where do you live? Buying buckshot for my Maverick cost me $50 for 20.
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Here is the scope assembly. It came earlier than the rifle and I couldn't resist a dry assembly. I'll post more after I finish final assembly tonight. (edited)
AvoidOblivion 4/3/2023 5:23 PM
Just as an FYI, this is a public server so Iโ€™d recommend keeping your face and identifying information private. Wonderful mustache, however, to match a beautiful scope.
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Just as an FYI, this is a public server so Iโ€™d recommend keeping your face and identifying information private. Wonderful mustache, however, to match a beautiful scope.
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 5:24 PM
That's fair. Lemme see what I can do.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Where do you live? Buying buckshot for my Maverick cost me $50 for 20.
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 5:26 PM
Wisconsin.
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Wisconsin.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 5:27 PM
Ah.
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callsign_romeo
My wife is very anti-gun. She has her reasons and I've found some compromises about it, but I want to be able to defend my home and family if/when we can no longer trust law enforcement to do so. I bought my first personally owned firearm back in 2020 just before the elections. Was a good move I feel. I bought another smaller CCW piece last year, but today I got my first long gun. It's a Henry Side Gate 45-70 lever action. All in brass. I even got a brass adorned scope to go on it. I am assembling tonight and I'm very excited.
Envy, that's the gun I want. Can you find ammo for it?
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 7:27 PM
Just finished the build. I get nerdy about things like torque and even spacing on the split rings, so it took way longer than it should have, but here it is.
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I have not seen copious amounts of ammo for it, and I've been on the lookout for a few months now, but I to have 2 boxes I found at a gun show, and I found where I can get a few more when needed. I think learning to reload and apply the same meticulousness to the ammo should save me money and produce nice even consistency at the range.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/3/2023 7:31 PM
My dad and I used to reload ammo when I was a kid (by I, I mean he had me hand him brass and grab boxes for him), and from what I remember, 45-70 is pretty forgiving to reload
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 7:31 PM
I may get myself a Lee loader kit in a few weeks. I'll get the fancy stuff a little at a time after that.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/3/2023 7:32 PM
Itโ€™s a big fat slug, with thick brass, originally made for black powder, later adapted to smokeless, and had been in use for about 150 years; thereโ€™s a lot of data out there, and a lot you can do with it
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
My dad and I used to reload ammo when I was a kid (by I, I mean he had me hand him brass and grab boxes for him), and from what I remember, 45-70 is pretty forgiving to reload
RebelKitty 4/3/2023 8:07 PM
Fun fact anything with XX-XX can be reloaded with traditional black powder in addition to smokeless. That and the cases being straight make reloading them quite a bit less technical than other cartridges.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/3/2023 8:07 PM
Yep
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Raps [PDX,OR]
The sensible thing to do, I suggest, is to raise the barriers for gun purchasing, licensing for possession/carry, and the types of firearms. I assume you agree that full-auto and suppressors are features that don't belong in general, unregulated public circulation. I AM disappointed that it's almost impossible to get a carry license in CA, but I can live with that, it's not that scary out there... yet ๐Ÿ™‚
By doing this you're effectively creating barriers to access for the groups buying guns which happen to be BIPOC and LGBTQ+ community members, and that isn't very comradely my dude. I'm gonna call this out for what it is and hopefully not hurt your feelings in the process but this is heavy handed lib talk and I can't stand by while it gets pushed on others with potentially dangerous outcomes in the future.
I am a black gun owner. My race didn't prevent me from buying legally, nor has it for the millions of POC etc. who have armed up in recent years. I acknowledge that the application of the law is not always equal, but there are also legal processes to remedy this, if there's political will.
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bowango
I am a black gun owner. My race didn't prevent me from buying legally, nor has it for the millions of POC etc. who have armed up in recent years. I acknowledge that the application of the law is not always equal, but there are also legal processes to remedy this, if there's political will.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 9:50 PM
"I acknowledge that the law isn't applied equally but if we use the laws that aren't applied equally than we can make sure that the laws are applied equally." Am I getting this right?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
"I acknowledge that the law isn't applied equally but if we use the laws that aren't applied equally than we can make sure that the laws are applied equally." Am I getting this right?
Yes. I'm not a lawyer, but I know there is an appeals process when courts make bad decisions. It is what it is. I just don't buy the "it's racist to have gun restrictions." The restrictions aren't racist, the racists who enforce them are, but those are people who can be dealt with, preferably legally.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:00 PM
Come to think of it, you also acknowledged that prohibition wouldn't work then immediately followed it up with how "banned guns would be less in circulation", arguing in favor of prohibition anyway.
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Yeah, we have other factors that make it safe-ish here... but the gun regs are a big contributor as well.
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bowango
Yes. I'm not a lawyer, but I know there is an appeals process when courts make bad decisions. It is what it is. I just don't buy the "it's racist to have gun restrictions." The restrictions aren't racist, the racists who enforce them are, but those are people who can be dealt with, preferably legally.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 10:02 PM
I mean... by that standard you could say that many Jim Crow laws and redlining practices weren't racist but merely enforced by racists. Do you see the problem here? The text of the law being colorblind means nothing in practice, especially in the context of a system built on white supremacy.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Come to think of it, you also acknowledged that prohibition wouldn't work then immediately followed it up with how "banned guns would be less in circulation", arguing in favor of prohibition anyway.
I think you're mischaracterizing what I said. I don't think prohibitions "works" in the sense of eliminating the contraband entirely. But it adds a barrier that many people will choose not to cross opting for "safer" legal guns. @DevilTheAutopoet what is racist about a 10 day waiting period or a 10 rd mags?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/3/2023 10:04 PM
If itโ€™s applied universally, then it does seem fair
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I think you're mischaracterizing what I said. I don't think prohibitions "works" in the sense of eliminating the contraband entirely. But it adds a barrier that many people will choose not to cross opting for "safer" legal guns. @DevilTheAutopoet what is racist about a 10 day waiting period or a 10 rd mags?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:10 PM
Here's a better question, how does limiting mag capacity and features make a weapon "less dangerous"? At the end of the day, a gun is a gun no matter how many rounds it takes and is thus still capable of taking a life.
10:11 PM
It's all semantics to avoid addressing the actual problems driving people to kill.
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I think you're mischaracterizing what I said. I don't think prohibitions "works" in the sense of eliminating the contraband entirely. But it adds a barrier that many people will choose not to cross opting for "safer" legal guns. @DevilTheAutopoet what is racist about a 10 day waiting period or a 10 rd mags?
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 10:12 PM
Well I can think of a couple things off the bat. 10 day waiting period means you have to have 10 days to wait. And because of the state this country is in, a black person is for more likely to need a gun for immediate protection than a white person. Especially since white people can get protection from the police during those 10 days and black people often can't. As for a 10 rd mag limit, as a cultural thing black people are more likely to buy guns such as Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, and other 9mm options that more often carry an excess of 10 rounds in a mag. White people, because they're more likely to see guns as toys and not as tools, generally try to go for the bigger calibers. Old white men love their .45 revolvers and their Colt M1911s. Which have a much more limited carrying capacity anyway. Besides this, it's also besides the core point, because who's gonna be enforcing these laws? Especially when it comes to private transactions between individuals and not through an FFL holder. It's gonna be cops. And 100% they'll enforce that shit WAY more strictly on black people than white people. (edited)
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Well I can think of a couple things off the bat. 10 day waiting period means you have to have 10 days to wait. And because of the state this country is in, a black person is for more likely to need a gun for immediate protection than a white person. Especially since white people can get protection from the police during those 10 days and black people often can't. As for a 10 rd mag limit, as a cultural thing black people are more likely to buy guns such as Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, and other 9mm options that more often carry an excess of 10 rounds in a mag. White people, because they're more likely to see guns as toys and not as tools, generally try to go for the bigger calibers. Old white men love their .45 revolvers and their Colt M1911s. Which have a much more limited carrying capacity anyway. Besides this, it's also besides the core point, because who's gonna be enforcing these laws? Especially when it comes to private transactions between individuals and not through an FFL holder. It's gonna be cops. And 100% they'll enforce that shit WAY more strictly on black people than white people. (edited)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:13 PM
And the ATF who will gleefully twist words in order to take guns from anyone they can, black or white.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal Maybe even give them to the cartels while they're at it.
Gunwalking, or "letting guns walk", was a tactic used by the Arizona U.S. Attorney's Office and the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations between 2006 and 2011 in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dea...
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Here's a better question, how does limiting mag capacity and features make a weapon "less dangerous"? At the end of the day, a gun is a gun no matter how many rounds it takes and is thus still capable of taking a life.
Would you have a better chance surviving while fleeing a 10 rd burst or a 30rd burst? I agree that the mental health and violence problem in our culture needs to be addressed. But in my judgement it's easier to control physical products than the psychology/culture of 300M individuals. You can't make a law that says, "do less violence" and expect it to work.
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Well I can think of a couple things off the bat. 10 day waiting period means you have to have 10 days to wait. And because of the state this country is in, a black person is for more likely to need a gun for immediate protection than a white person. Especially since white people can get protection from the police during those 10 days and black people often can't. As for a 10 rd mag limit, as a cultural thing black people are more likely to buy guns such as Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, and other 9mm options that more often carry an excess of 10 rounds in a mag. White people, because they're more likely to see guns as toys and not as tools, generally try to go for the bigger calibers. Old white men love their .45 revolvers and their Colt M1911s. Which have a much more limited carrying capacity anyway. Besides this, it's also besides the core point, because who's gonna be enforcing these laws? Especially when it comes to private transactions between individuals and not through an FFL holder. It's gonna be cops. And 100% they'll enforce that shit WAY more strictly on black people than white people. (edited)
lmao, that's quite a stretch to pretend its racist.
10:15 PM
several stretches
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/3/2023 10:15 PM
This is a convo Iโ€™m not qualified to engage in, so Iโ€™m gonna dip
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Would you have a better chance surviving while fleeing a 10 rd burst or a 30rd burst? I agree that the mental health and violence problem in our culture needs to be addressed. But in my judgement it's easier to control physical products than the psychology/culture of 300M individuals. You can't make a law that says, "do less violence" and expect it to work.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 10:16 PM
Doesn't really make a difference given that mass shooters can and do carry multiple mags. And I know the argument is that while they switch mags you can rush them. Except that that would be an extremely stupid thing to do unless you're already practically on top of them. Which is unlikely if you're running away. It can take less than a second to swap a mag out.
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Doesn't really make a difference given that mass shooters can and do carry multiple mags. And I know the argument is that while they switch mags you can rush them. Except that that would be an extremely stupid thing to do unless you're already practically on top of them. Which is unlikely if you're running away. It can take less than a second to swap a mag out.
Even 2 seconds to reload could mean victims have an extra change to escape. Carrying more magazines is more difficult and stops the firepower more often.
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lmao, that's quite a stretch to pretend its racist.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 10:17 PM
Maybe not racist on paper, but racist in practice. That's my whole point.
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DevilTheAutopoet
Maybe not racist on paper, but racist in practice. That's my whole point.
Are you a POC? I don't know how to judge your definition of racist.
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Would you have a better chance surviving while fleeing a 10 rd burst or a 30rd burst? I agree that the mental health and violence problem in our culture needs to be addressed. But in my judgement it's easier to control physical products than the psychology/culture of 300M individuals. You can't make a law that says, "do less violence" and expect it to work.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:19 PM
Again, semantics to avoid the actual problem which you admit you don't want to try and solve. "We're sorry Timmy got shot but thank God the shooter only had ten round mags or he might have hit Jimmy." News Flash: Timmy's still fucking dead and that's not going to be good consolation to his parents.
10:20 PM
Classic capitalism reducing people's lives to little more than numbers on paper.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Again, semantics to avoid the actual problem which you admit you don't want to try and solve. "We're sorry Timmy got shot but thank God the shooter only had ten round mags or he might have hit Jimmy." News Flash: Timmy's still fucking dead and that's not going to be good consolation to his parents.
I'm just going to cut off the convo if you're gonna keep putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.
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bowango
Even 2 seconds to reload could mean victims have an extra change to escape. Carrying more magazines is more difficult and stops the firepower more often.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 10:21 PM
Not really. You can't clear a building in two seconds unless you're already basically out the door. And carrying more mags of a smaller capacity isn't substantially different to carrying fewer mags of a bigger capacity. If it made a huge difference you'd see every soldier sporting 100 rd drum mags. Higher capacity mags are heavier, so it amounts to about the same.
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:21 PM
What's your gun of choice @bowango ?
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M1A Socom, for now, @callsign_romeo
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:22 PM
A functional anachronism. I like you.
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bowango
Are you a POC? I don't know how to judge your definition of racist.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 10:25 PM
Not really. I could say by blood that I'm mixed race but I generally don't because I'm completely white passing and mostly socialized white. My definition of racism comes from the analyses of race and white supremacy often utilised in critical race theory, post-structuralist analysis, postcolonial analysis, and anarchist and marxist discussions of race.
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Not really. You can't clear a building in two seconds unless you're already basically out the door. And carrying more mags of a smaller capacity isn't substantially different to carrying fewer mags of a bigger capacity. If it made a huge difference you'd see every soldier sporting 100 rd drum mags. Higher capacity mags are heavier, so it amounts to about the same.
I don't know that the rules of the battlefield necessarily match up with the mechanics of a mass shooter attacking unarmed innocents. Recall, that my oriiiiiginal point was that CA style gun laws work fairly well, and the rest of the country could probably save some lives if they took notes.
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:28 PM
I find the patent refusal to even discuss potential regulations to be intellectually lazy. Many of the proposed solutions are imperfect, but to do so little legislatively for so long can't possibly be the right answer.
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Not really. I could say by blood that I'm mixed race but I generally don't because I'm completely white passing and mostly socialized white. My definition of racism comes from the analyses of race and white supremacy often utilised in critical race theory, post-structuralist analysis, postcolonial analysis, and anarchist and marxist discussions of race.
What is "not really?" You either get profiled or you don't. I can appreciate all the theory, there's a lot of value there, but it's not the same as real life. I'm black, but not every bad thing that happens to me is because I'm black, just for sanity one must grant some charity to ignorant people, but always beware of the malicious intent they may or may not be concealing. At the end of the day, having to wait 10 days, for everyone, is not racist (unless a shop is breaking the law by allowing some customers to skirt it, but that's an ATF enforcement issue, and shops are unlikely to risk their valuable licenses just to "help a friend." If they do, then nail them). In fact, people to need a gun right away, same day imo, is a huge red flag, exactly the type of person who probably needs additional vetting.
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I find the patent refusal to even discuss potential regulations to be intellectually lazy. Many of the proposed solutions are imperfect, but to do so little legislatively for so long can't possibly be the right answer.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:34 PM
I agree that there needs to be some rules (I'm personally quite a fan of the Czech policy of having a doctor sign off that you're mentally and physically healthy enough to buy a gun) but I'm also saying the government has a lot of trust to earn back before it can do anything sweeping.
10:34 PM
Trust is a two way street, after all.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
I agree that there needs to be some rules (I'm personally quite a fan of the Czech policy of having a doctor sign off that you're mentally and physically healthy enough to buy a gun) but I'm also saying the government has a lot of trust to earn back before it can do anything sweeping.
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:35 PM
That's an interesting point, but couldn't one argue that doing the most fundamental work to protect children from their #1 health concern is a place to start?
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callsign_romeo
That's an interesting point, but couldn't one argue that doing the most fundamental work to protect children from their #1 health concern is a place to start?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:37 PM
Is that not what that would do? A mentally sound person doesn't think about trying to kill innocent people, so why not put the task of identifying people who aren't mentally sound in the hands of people trained to do so?
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bowango
I don't know that the rules of the battlefield necessarily match up with the mechanics of a mass shooter attacking unarmed innocents. Recall, that my oriiiiiginal point was that CA style gun laws work fairly well, and the rest of the country could probably save some lives if they took notes.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 10:38 PM
I don't they would. Even in California it's very location dependent. I actually agree that there are a couple very specific regulations that could be put in place that could maybe have some positive effect in mitigating things, but they still wouldn't be solutions really. I highly recommend the video series that Beau of the Fifth Column made on guns and gun control for a really good synopsis of that side of things. But at the end of the day, the only way to stop the violence we see in this country is a complete systemic overhaul. And like I said, one of the best places to start with that is in queering gun culture.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:38 PM
And as a bonus, most MAGAts don't trust doctors, so it would disqualify a sizable portion of them.
10:39 PM
Also I agree that US gun culture suffers from a nasty case of testosterone poisoning.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Is that not what that would do? A mentally sound person doesn't think about trying to kill innocent people, so why not put the task of identifying people who aren't mentally sound in the hands of people trained to do so?
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:39 PM
I feel like the argument is "The government needs to earn back trust before legislating the thing that's important to me, so let them start with the thing that's important to somebody else." I'm sorry if this is a mischaracterization. (edited)
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I feel like the argument is "The government needs to earn back trust before legislating the thing that's important to me, so let them start with the thing that's important to somebody else." I'm sorry if this is a mischaracterization. (edited)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:41 PM
More "The government has shown that they will abuse legislation on firearms many times before. Why should I trust that they won't now?"
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
More "The government has shown that they will abuse legislation on firearms many times before. Why should I trust that they won't now?"
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:42 PM
Okay. That's clearer and reasonable. I guess the question is what legislative goals would make you trust them enough after achieved? Are they actually achievable?
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I don't they would. Even in California it's very location dependent. I actually agree that there are a couple very specific regulations that could be put in place that could maybe have some positive effect in mitigating things, but they still wouldn't be solutions really. I highly recommend the video series that Beau of the Fifth Column made on guns and gun control for a really good synopsis of that side of things. But at the end of the day, the only way to stop the violence we see in this country is a complete systemic overhaul. And like I said, one of the best places to start with that is in queering gun culture.
Yeah BtFC is a boss, I've probably seen his video and mostly agreed. We cannot stop all violence, but we can reduce it.. and that doesn't even require a complete overhaul. Just keeping the deadliest weapons out of the hands of the most dangerous people. Then we argue about what threshold of weapons and people and enforcement is appropriate. I don't think it's crazy to say we should limit the guns being used in massacres and have a tougher vetting process for buyers. The 90s assault weapons ban DID contribute to less gun violence during that period, and the violence increased dramatically afterward. Not saying it's 1:1 causality, but for one to claim these events were completely independent is disingenuous. I'm all for queer guns. One day, Bubba is gonna be sittin' there thinking to himself, "I used to love shootin' my gun, but it's so gay now, I'm not really into it" LOL
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Okay. That's clearer and reasonable. I guess the question is what legislative goals would make you trust them enough after achieved? Are they actually achievable?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:46 PM
Haven't really thought about that one. I'd imagine either dealing with the massive wealth divide nationwide and/or massively overhauling law enforcement.
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Yeah BtFC is a boss, I've probably seen his video and mostly agreed. We cannot stop all violence, but we can reduce it.. and that doesn't even require a complete overhaul. Just keeping the deadliest weapons out of the hands of the most dangerous people. Then we argue about what threshold of weapons and people and enforcement is appropriate. I don't think it's crazy to say we should limit the guns being used in massacres and have a tougher vetting process for buyers. The 90s assault weapons ban DID contribute to less gun violence during that period, and the violence increased dramatically afterward. Not saying it's 1:1 causality, but for one to claim these events were completely independent is disingenuous. I'm all for queer guns. One day, Bubba is gonna be sittin' there thinking to himself, "I used to love shootin' my gun, but it's so gay now, I'm not really into it" LOL
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:48 PM
We also had the Columbine and V-Tech shootings during the ban though and those were done with only handguns and shotguns.
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:48 PM
A lack of faith in law enforcement is basically what lead to me buying guns in the first place. I can connect with this position.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
We also had the Columbine and V-Tech shootings during the ban though and those were done with only handguns and shotguns.
Yeah, but I know better than to judge a trend by the outliers.
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:49 PM
I used to be a "true believer" of a sort. I didn't realize the corruption because I'm the kind of person it's usually hidden from. I'm seeing with new eyes over the past few years.
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A lack of faith in law enforcement is basically what lead to me buying guns in the first place. I can connect with this position.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:49 PM
Yeah, that's a particular sore spot for me as Biden, who got elected on the back of calls for police accountability, always keeps giving the police more money which they inevitably spend on more gear.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Yeah, that's a particular sore spot for me as Biden, who got elected on the back of calls for police accountability, always keeps giving the police more money which they inevitably spend on more gear.
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 10:51 PM
Yup. One disappointing call after another. Only got the job because he was better than the alternative. By how much is still yet to be seen.
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What is "not really?" You either get profiled or you don't. I can appreciate all the theory, there's a lot of value there, but it's not the same as real life. I'm black, but not every bad thing that happens to me is because I'm black, just for sanity one must grant some charity to ignorant people, but always beware of the malicious intent they may or may not be concealing. At the end of the day, having to wait 10 days, for everyone, is not racist (unless a shop is breaking the law by allowing some customers to skirt it, but that's an ATF enforcement issue, and shops are unlikely to risk their valuable licenses just to "help a friend." If they do, then nail them). In fact, people to need a gun right away, same day imo, is a huge red flag, exactly the type of person who probably needs additional vetting.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 10:51 PM
I feel like I explained what I meant by "not really". And I also think reducing whether someone is POC down to "do you get profiled" is pretty... well... reductivist. It's an erasure of the experiences of many white passing POC and mixed race people, who may not get profiled, but were socialized as POC and have connections to POC communities. I have very limited connection to my Indigenous heritage since my grandad was a very "rezy" sort of Indian and my grandma was "Shanty Irish" (a euphemism for an integrated Scotch-Irish and Cherokee or Chickasaw heritage) so she wasn't super connected to it herself. And since their kids passed as white they were raised as white, so on to me. I recognize that I'm not POC, and I don't call myself as such, because I don't have that connection. But my experience in that regard isn't exactly ubiquitous amongst white passing people. As for your actual point here, I find it ironic you're going with "theory isn't the same as real life" as the basis of your argument that whether or not a law is racist in its text or intent matters more than racist in practice. Seems a little self-contradictory no?
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Yeah, but I know better than to judge a trend by the outliers.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 10:52 PM
Then you'll know that violent crime as a whole was on a decline before the AWB. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/factchecking-bidens-claim-that-assault-weapons-ban-worked/
President Joe Biden claims the 10-year assault weapons ban that he helped shepherd through the Senate as part of the 1994 crime bill "brought down these mass killings." But the raw numbers, when adjusted for population and other factors, aren't so clear on that.
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Then you'll know that violent crime as a whole was on a decline before the AWB. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/factchecking-bidens-claim-that-assault-weapons-ban-worked/
Yes. My favorite part of that article you posted is "Duwe, author of โ€œMass Murder in the United States: A History,โ€œ documented 158 mass public shootings in the U.S. between 1976 and 2018, which included shootings that โ€œoccur in the absence of other criminal activity (e.g., robberies, drug deals, and gang โ€˜turf warsโ€™) in which a gun was used to kill four or more victims at a public location within a 24-hour period.โ€ Duwe also looked at three-, five- and 10-year moving averages to flatten out some of the extreme spikes and dips in individual years. Duwe found that the lowest 10-year average in mass shooting rates was between 1996-2005, which roughly corresponds with the ban period. But Duwe notes that that โ€œaligns with broader trends observed for crime and violence in the United States.โ€ In other words, itโ€™s hard to know how much the assault weapons ban may have affected mass shootings during that time. While the incidence rate was higher pre-ban than post-ban, the number of victims killed and shot โ€” the severity of mass public shootings โ€” has increased dramatically in the post-ban period, after 2004, Duwe found." So, while this competent scientist isn't willing to offer a definitive judgement (since the data is inherently rather limited), my interpretation of what we saw indicates that the AWB was probably a net good, if anything under a "better safe than sorry" approach.
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I feel like I explained what I meant by "not really". And I also think reducing whether someone is POC down to "do you get profiled" is pretty... well... reductivist. It's an erasure of the experiences of many white passing POC and mixed race people, who may not get profiled, but were socialized as POC and have connections to POC communities. I have very limited connection to my Indigenous heritage since my grandad was a very "rezy" sort of Indian and my grandma was "Shanty Irish" (a euphemism for an integrated Scotch-Irish and Cherokee or Chickasaw heritage) so she wasn't super connected to it herself. And since their kids passed as white they were raised as white, so on to me. I recognize that I'm not POC, and I don't call myself as such, because I don't have that connection. But my experience in that regard isn't exactly ubiquitous amongst white passing people. As for your actual point here, I find it ironic you're going with "theory isn't the same as real life" as the basis of your argument that whether or not a law is racist in its text or intent matters more than racist in practice. Seems a little self-contradictory no?
Sorry, I was being a little unfair. I hope you can understand why I don't take white people's opinions on racism very seriously, even when they're on my side. There will always be some breakdown in the theory of the law and the actual application. But having a universal requirement doesn't leave any room funny business (racism). We can always bleat about how corruption ruins the law, but that's also not an argument against the law in principle, it's a call to fix the corruption.
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Sorry, I was being a little unfair. I hope you can understand why I don't take white people's opinions on racism very seriously, even when they're on my side. There will always be some breakdown in the theory of the law and the actual application. But having a universal requirement doesn't leave any room funny business (racism). We can always bleat about how corruption ruins the law, but that's also not an argument against the law in principle, it's a call to fix the corruption.
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 11:09 PM
This. I've been an ally my whole life, but still blind to the realities. Everyone is constrained to their own perspective. It's tricky to see through different eyes. I'm still learning.
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Plus, "tear it all down" leaves the poor in the cold as rebuilding happens. It's so much more dangerous than the slow work of fixing things with legislative action, just a little bit at a time. Seeing a backwards slide as we have over the last few years is particularly disheartening, but it's still the right way.
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This. I've been an ally my whole life, but still blind to the realities. Everyone is constrained to their own perspective. It's tricky to see through different eyes. I'm still learning.
You're fine dude... Just keep your mind and ears open. Ask questions to understand others' perspective. Please do not go around declaring everything racist thinking that makes you a good ally ๐Ÿ™‚
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Yeah BtFC is a boss, I've probably seen his video and mostly agreed. We cannot stop all violence, but we can reduce it.. and that doesn't even require a complete overhaul. Just keeping the deadliest weapons out of the hands of the most dangerous people. Then we argue about what threshold of weapons and people and enforcement is appropriate. I don't think it's crazy to say we should limit the guns being used in massacres and have a tougher vetting process for buyers. The 90s assault weapons ban DID contribute to less gun violence during that period, and the violence increased dramatically afterward. Not saying it's 1:1 causality, but for one to claim these events were completely independent is disingenuous. I'm all for queer guns. One day, Bubba is gonna be sittin' there thinking to himself, "I used to love shootin' my gun, but it's so gay now, I'm not really into it" LOL
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 11:15 PM
Actually violent crime had already been going down since 1991. 3 years before the assault weapons ban. And there was no significant shift in the trendline after the ban. And I would disagree that we can't resolve violence. It may be the case that people will always find some reason to kill each other, but with systemic changes we change that into an extremely rare occurrence. I don't think any reforms or tweaks to the existing system can be expected to make much of a difference. The system itself is the problem.
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Actually violent crime had already been going down since 1991. 3 years before the assault weapons ban. And there was no significant shift in the trendline after the ban. And I would disagree that we can't resolve violence. It may be the case that people will always find some reason to kill each other, but with systemic changes we change that into an extremely rare occurrence. I don't think any reforms or tweaks to the existing system can be expected to make much of a difference. The system itself is the problem.
Yeah, blaming "the system" is an abstraction to avoid any specific policy discussion.
11:17 PM
Why did the shootings go up after the ban expired?
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is that also completely unrelated, exogenous factors, or "the system?"
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 11:17 PM
Could be statistical return to the mean, but I'm speculating.
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Could be statistical return to the mean, but I'm speculating.
That would imply the AWB did have a positive effect and these guys will never accept that.
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 11:19 PM
Maybe. It could be that other simultaneous factors also meet their end
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Correlation and causation not being equal and all
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Yeah, blaming "the system" is an abstraction to avoid any specific policy discussion.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 11:23 PM
You wanna know my policies? Overthrow capitalism, burn the neocolonial US government system to the ground, make such a buggery of society's norms of gender and sex and family that there's no recovering it, and rebuild our society on the basis of mutual aid and class solidarity as a sustainable socialist democracy, run on a circular participatory economy, wherein people are free to pursue the lives they want with whatever number and types of people they want. The reason I talk about "the system" as an abstract isn't to avoid policy discussion. It's because the destruction and reconstruction of the entirety of the system which we inhabit literally is my policy.
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You wanna know my policies? Overthrow capitalism, burn the neocolonial US government system to the ground, make such a buggery of society's norms of gender and sex and family that there's no recovering it, and rebuild our society on the basis of mutual aid and class solidarity as a sustainable socialist democracy, run on a circular participatory economy, wherein people are free to pursue the lives they want with whatever number and types of people they want. The reason I talk about "the system" as an abstract isn't to avoid policy discussion. It's because the destruction and reconstruction of the entirety of the system which we inhabit literally is my policy.
So when we have a flat tire, you want to scrap the whole car and build a new one?
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So when we have a flat tire, you want to scrap the whole car and build a new one?
callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 11:26 PM
I strongly suspect that the argument is that this is more than a "flat tire" analogy, though I do agree with the sentiment.
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Why did the shootings go up after the ban expired?
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 11:26 PM
Mass shootings did. Shootings overall didn't. Violent crime has continually decreased since the 90's. Mass shootings are more likely when assault weapons are available. But you know what people do when assault weapons aren't available? They burn people, or blow them up. Ask Timothy McVeigh.
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That would imply the AWB did have a positive effect and these guys will never accept that.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 11:26 PM
I'm not denying the AWB may have had a positive effect. I'm saying that there are things we can do that have a greater positive effect than that without punishing others for the crime of simply owning a gun that was used in a mass shooting.
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Mass shootings did. Shootings overall didn't. Violent crime has continually decreased since the 90's. Mass shootings are more likely when assault weapons are available. But you know what people do when assault weapons aren't available? They burn people, or blow them up. Ask Timothy McVeigh.
I'm not going to entertain outliers when analyzing the trend (McVeigh).
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 11:26 PM
That's my big problem with the AWB. It punishes people who have done nothing wrong.
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 11:27 PM
My ignorance here... But can you explain how the AWB "punishes" people?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
That's my big problem with the AWB. It punishes people who have done nothing wrong.
How is it a punishment? Are all Americans "punished" because we can't have a RPG in our closet just in case?
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callsign_romeo 4/3/2023 11:30 PM
It's my bed time. Love you all.
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bowango
How is it a punishment? Are all Americans "punished" because we can't have a RPG in our closet just in case?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/3/2023 11:32 PM
Biden has stated that any people who don't turn in their "assault weapons" will have to register them. What do you think he's going to do when the shootings don't stop with the ban?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Biden has stated that any people who don't turn in their "assault weapons" will have to register them. What do you think he's going to do when the shootings don't stop with the ban?
You have to register to exercise your fundamental right to vote. This is not punishment. I don't know what will happen, we'll have to see. I can guarantee it's not going to be ATF knocking on your door out of the blue.
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I am a black gun owner. My race didn't prevent me from buying legally, nor has it for the millions of POC etc. who have armed up in recent years. I acknowledge that the application of the law is not always equal, but there are also legal processes to remedy this, if there's political will.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/3/2023 11:35 PM
Unfortunately those laws usually come with the caveat of allowing the police to maintain access to the items that other civilians no longer have access to. Ergo, I do not believe equal enforcement is something we will see in due time.
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So when we have a flat tire, you want to scrap the whole car and build a new one?
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 11:36 PM
We have a fuckton more than a flat tire. The car is falling the fuck apart. There are more empty houses owned by massively profitable real estate firms than there are homeless people, and yet there's still hundreds of thousands of homeless people. We're mere decades away from climate crisis resulting in massive waves of migration, and billions of deaths from natural disasters, famine, and wars over fucking water. We have a massive segment of our population in cages, being forever barred by the state from living a healthy and happy life. We have the major world powers constantly at the brink of destroying the goddamn world over what amounts to an international dick measuring contest. Meanwhile, some countries massively benefit from the environmental destruction, exploitation, and political destabilisation of other countries. And as all of this happens, we're supposed to pretend that everything is fine as go about our shitty jobs manufacturing demand for bullshit that people don't need, and consuming that bullshit ourselves in quantities limited by our paychecks which only reflect a fraction of what we're worth because the rest of it is being held by the exact greedy fucks who are causing all of this to happen and benefiting from it. This isn't "scrapping the car over a flat tire". This is "the car is fucking trashed, it's time to move on". (edited)
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I'm not going to entertain outliers when analyzing the trend (McVeigh).
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 11:38 PM
I was using McVeigh as an example of a wider trend. When assault weapons are off the table for whatever reason, people find other ways to kill lots of people. Arson, IEDs, vehicular killings, etc. Beau of the Fifth Column pointed that out as well.
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We have a fuckton more than a flat tire. The car is falling the fuck apart. There are more empty houses owned by massively profitable real estate firms than there are homeless people, and yet there's still hundreds of thousands of homeless people. We're mere decades away from climate crisis resulting in massive waves of migration, and billions of deaths from natural disasters, famine, and wars over fucking water. We have a massive segment of our population in cages, being forever barred by the state from living a healthy and happy life. We have the major world powers constantly at the brink of destroying the goddamn world over what amounts to an international dick measuring contest. Meanwhile, some countries massively benefit from the environmental destruction, exploitation, and political destabilisation of other countries. And as all of this happens, we're supposed to pretend that everything is fine as go about our shitty jobs manufacturing demand for bullshit that people don't need, and consuming that bullshit ourselves in quantities limited by our paychecks which only reflect a fraction of what we're worth because the rest of it is being held by the exact greedy fucks who are causing all of this to happen and benefiting from it. This isn't "scrapping the car over a flat tire". This is "the car is fucking trashed, it's time to move on". (edited)
None of what you say is false. I just thing if we want to achieve anything (instead of nothing) we need to focus on one or a few problems at a time, actually come up with some kind of solution before moving on to the next problem. Society isn't like a car that can just be frictionlessly replaced. Solving all the problems at the same time is impractical and impossible without a massive upheaval that will hurt many many many people in the process.
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Anyway, I'm going to move on to other things this evening. Thanks for the good discussion guys.
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None of what you say is false. I just thing if we want to achieve anything (instead of nothing) we need to focus on one or a few problems at a time, actually come up with some kind of solution before moving on to the next problem. Society isn't like a car that can just be frictionlessly replaced. Solving all the problems at the same time is impractical and impossible without a massive upheaval that will hurt many many many people in the process.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/3/2023 11:48 PM
I'd say a good start to this is community defense. Maybe when people realize that going to the police to report people's behavior and the police turning a blind eye as usual a community network can then keep an eye on the would be assailant.
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11:48 PM
It doesn't provide a solution tomorrow, but it does circumvent and highlight the uselessness of those with trusted power.
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None of what you say is false. I just thing if we want to achieve anything (instead of nothing) we need to focus on one or a few problems at a time, actually come up with some kind of solution before moving on to the next problem. Society isn't like a car that can just be frictionlessly replaced. Solving all the problems at the same time is impractical and impossible without a massive upheaval that will hurt many many many people in the process.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/3/2023 11:52 PM
I think the problem here is that we're looking at this through fundamentally different frameworks. You're viewing "problems" as independent things. Where we can expect to make tweaks to the way we do things to solve individual problems and then move on to the next problem. I don't see it that way. All of the various problems are deeply interconnected. You can't resolve just one, because it's affected by multiple others. You'd basically be stuck playing whack-a-mole. All of the problems really just amount to one big problem that all other problems are merely the organs of. And that one big problem is neocolonial cisheteropatriarchal capitalism. And we can overthrow it all at once. It's been done to some extent before. It's just a much bigger and more complex project than a simple reformist effort. It requires the masses to rise up, to shed the shackles of the various social constructs and traditions they were raised on, overthrow the state, and seize the means of production. Before that, it requires building community. It requires permaculture. It requires dual power and counterpower. It requires mutual aid. It requires organisation. A movement has to be built before it can be mobilised after all. And, because people generally aren't inclined to give up their power willingly, the movement will require guns. And it'll need to acquire them in the building stage so that it has them before the mobilization happens. So you can see why I and others like me are generally skeptical of calls to restrict the access that the masses have to firearms.
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Anyway, I'm going to move on to other things this evening. Thanks for the good discussion guys.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 12:05 AM
Yeah, sorry it got a little heated, but I actually did appreciate your perspectives here and I do get where you're coming from.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/4/2023 12:14 AM
I get heated too.
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That and I probably should have phrased my points better. (edited)
12:18 AM
All I'm saying is, if a tiny little European country can allow its citizens to carry assault weapons without having mass murders monthly, then I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say we can do it too.
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Yeah, sorry it got a little heated, but I actually did appreciate your perspectives here and I do get where you're coming from.
It's all good man. At the risk of sounding condescending, I know exactly how you are thinking because I used to think that way when I was in my early 20s. It's not a wrong way to see the problems of the world, and it's a good/healthy thing that (mostly) younger folks have that revolutionary fire. But, I've taken enough Ls in life to recognize that we have to pick and choose our battles, and even still it sometimes takes unpleasant sacrifices to move forward. At the end of the day, the US military would easily crush any major civilian uprising (justified or not) no matter how assaulty their weapons are... meanwhile we get to cope with weekly school shootings (and myriad other gun violence) based on a Quixotic fantasy that the school shooter tools will one day win a revolution or whatever. It is similar to a gambler's mentality. My daily $5 ticket, incurs huge costs over long periods of time, but maybe just maybe, I'll hit the jackpot and everything will have been worth it. There is no jackpot, but it's still costing our society more every day. I think there is a better balance where we can save lives by having stricter controls. I wish everyone was a rational, responsible actor, but that's not the real world and we are reminded daily of the consequences of such easy access to such deadly weapons. We all hate cops, but downstream, maybe they wouldn't act so hateable so often if they didn't have to be so concerned that every mf they interact with is likely to have a gun. And while we're being more responsible about the flow of guns, we can ALSO invest in non-carceral/rehabilitative infrastructure for mental illness and other down-and-outers. Maybe we could help fund that with the registration fees and ammo taxes like we do with roads and cars. edit: and I'll add that black people in particular (but also every minority category) are disproportionately victims of gun violence, so it's kinda racist to pretend that raicsm is the reason we can't have better rules ;P (edited)
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callsign_romeo 4/4/2023 8:37 AM
I was in Iraq in the days following "Shock and Awe". I've seen a nation that had laws and a system only days earlier fall to chaos. These revolutions take their toll on the rich and make them uncomfortable, but natural capitalism takes hold and they find their ways back to power and influence. The poor are not so lucky. They die on the whims of the rich. It all happens quietly and without a storyteller to explain it to later generations. Revolution is deadly, and usually results in the same people, or those just like them, back in power. We can't just reject the usefull bones of the system we have and believe we can build a new one with something better. We don't have anything better. (edited)
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It's all good man. At the risk of sounding condescending, I know exactly how you are thinking because I used to think that way when I was in my early 20s. It's not a wrong way to see the problems of the world, and it's a good/healthy thing that (mostly) younger folks have that revolutionary fire. But, I've taken enough Ls in life to recognize that we have to pick and choose our battles, and even still it sometimes takes unpleasant sacrifices to move forward. At the end of the day, the US military would easily crush any major civilian uprising (justified or not) no matter how assaulty their weapons are... meanwhile we get to cope with weekly school shootings (and myriad other gun violence) based on a Quixotic fantasy that the school shooter tools will one day win a revolution or whatever. It is similar to a gambler's mentality. My daily $5 ticket, incurs huge costs over long periods of time, but maybe just maybe, I'll hit the jackpot and everything will have been worth it. There is no jackpot, but it's still costing our society more every day. I think there is a better balance where we can save lives by having stricter controls. I wish everyone was a rational, responsible actor, but that's not the real world and we are reminded daily of the consequences of such easy access to such deadly weapons. We all hate cops, but downstream, maybe they wouldn't act so hateable so often if they didn't have to be so concerned that every mf they interact with is likely to have a gun. And while we're being more responsible about the flow of guns, we can ALSO invest in non-carceral/rehabilitative infrastructure for mental illness and other down-and-outers. Maybe we could help fund that with the registration fees and ammo taxes like we do with roads and cars. edit: and I'll add that black people in particular (but also every minority category) are disproportionately victims of gun violence, so it's kinda racist to pretend that raicsm is the reason we can't have better rules ;P (edited)
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 10:05 AM
The US military has been taking L's to civilian uprisings for decades. People love to pretend that the US military and government is this all-powerful force, but they've been beaten off with guerilla tactics and Toyota Camry's. The reality is that they passed the marginal utility threshold for additional investment a long time ago, and now they're simply too big and bureaucratic for their own good. Also, I'm not talking about jumping in a truck with some guns and storming DC tomorrow. Like I said, the movement has to built first. That takes years. Decades even. And part of it involves dual power. Building new systems within the old. That will allow us to sap resources away from the capitalist system and make people's lives better on the ground with immediate effect. I've taken part in actions that have saved patches of forest that would've been cut down. Fed people who were hungry. You wanna talk about a Quixotic fantasy or lottery ticket, how's that legislative reformism going for you? Cause I and a lot of other people in the real world aren't seeing any benefit from it. We can stem gun violence by making people's lives better and giving them a sense community and purpose, something that's lost in neoliberal capitalism no matter what minor tweaks you make to it. I'm talking about a long process of transforming the socio-political landscape through direct action before a violent overthrow is even considered. And even then, I'm something of a possibilist in that I think the best route would be to just defend the dual power systems we build against the inevitable attempts suppression rather than outright going on the offensive. As for your, I'm assuming half joking, last point, given that most gun violence against black people is committed by black people, then the way you'd need to resolve that through restricting access to firearms would be to particularly restrict black people's access to them. Which, to me, seems a lot more racist, especially when there's better solutions available.
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I was in Iraq in the days following "Shock and Awe". I've seen a nation that had laws and a system only days earlier fall to chaos. These revolutions take their toll on the rich and make them uncomfortable, but natural capitalism takes hold and they find their ways back to power and influence. The poor are not so lucky. They die on the whims of the rich. It all happens quietly and without a storyteller to explain it to later generations. Revolution is deadly, and usually results in the same people, or those just like them, back in power. We can't just reject the usefull bones of the system we have and believe we can build a new one with something better. We don't have anything better. (edited)
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 10:21 AM
Shock and Awe wasn't really a revolution though. It was an invasion by a foreign power. In terms of the consequences that's very different. And yes, if there's nothing in place to replace the system with you get chaos and strife. But see my points above. I'm not talking about some rapid overthrow with no build up or infrastructure in place. I would also point out that capitalism is anything but "natural". It's only a couple hundred years old and it had to be forced upon the world through colonialism and neocolonialism. Historically our current era where the entire world is dominated by a single socioeconomic system is highly unusual. I'd highly recommend reading Graeber's book Dawn of Everything to learn about how humanity not only can be but has actually been different, and how unusual the way everything is now actually is in the grand scope of the history of human society and activity. For contemporary and actually existing examples, I'd recommend looking at the Zapatistas, or, to a lesser extent, Rojava. If you're willing to dig a little further back, there's Makhnovschina and Revolutionary Catalonia, both of which only failed because of fascist suppression, not because of internal system collapse. On a smaller scale, look at Exarcheia. Or for an example of a dual power system in action, look at the Sarvodaya Shramadana in Sri Lanka. I'm sorry to hear about your experiences in Iraq, but I also don't think that against all the other evidence your experiences as part of a foreign invasion force really disproves the capacity for revolutionary activity to manifest better conditions for people.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/4/2023 10:24 AM
Capitalism is our temporarily natural state of being in the world, tbf. Itโ€™s all many people know, so itโ€™s what theyโ€™ll default to
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Itโ€™s not natural but itโ€™s what many people think is natural
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callsign_romeo 4/4/2023 10:26 AM
The invasion was pointless and poorly thought out. The experiences I'm referencing were about seeing what happens when the system changes overnight. The military presence didn't actually change things all that much. In fact, it couldn't. That's the point. Rebuilding depended upon having at least the basic social structures respected in the vacuum of the system that gave them manifest power and not referent power. When I refer to "natural capitalism", I'm talking about "I have resources. You need resources. Do my bidding and I'll give you some resources". This is a way people who have never known any different behave.
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Capitalism is our temporarily natural state of being in the world, tbf. Itโ€™s all many people know, so itโ€™s what theyโ€™ll default to
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 10:27 AM
It's what many people in the west think is natural. Outside the west a lot more people realize how fucked up and weird capitalism is, but their countries are too destabilized by neocolonialism for them to be able to really do much about it.
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The invasion was pointless and poorly thought out. The experiences I'm referencing were about seeing what happens when the system changes overnight. The military presence didn't actually change things all that much. In fact, it couldn't. That's the point. Rebuilding depended upon having at least the basic social structures respected in the vacuum of the system that gave them manifest power and not referent power. When I refer to "natural capitalism", I'm talking about "I have resources. You need resources. Do my bidding and I'll give you some resources". This is a way people who have never known any different behave.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 10:35 AM
Not necessarily though. Historically in many cases people have had more of a tendency to altruistically share resources in the wake of crisis. It's a better survival strategy in practice. The sort of "natural capitalism" your talking about tends to arise when some of the old power structures are kept firmly in place even in the wake of crisis. Such as those, in this particular case, that the US military didn't really have any incentive to dismantle since they were mostly there for a show of force and to secure supply chains. If anything, the US needed a lot of those power structures to stay in place. And I would point out again that I'm not talking about overhauling the system overnight. I'm not talking about October Revolution 2.0.
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The US military has been taking L's to civilian uprisings for decades. People love to pretend that the US military and government is this all-powerful force, but they've been beaten off with guerilla tactics and Toyota Camry's. The reality is that they passed the marginal utility threshold for additional investment a long time ago, and now they're simply too big and bureaucratic for their own good. Also, I'm not talking about jumping in a truck with some guns and storming DC tomorrow. Like I said, the movement has to built first. That takes years. Decades even. And part of it involves dual power. Building new systems within the old. That will allow us to sap resources away from the capitalist system and make people's lives better on the ground with immediate effect. I've taken part in actions that have saved patches of forest that would've been cut down. Fed people who were hungry. You wanna talk about a Quixotic fantasy or lottery ticket, how's that legislative reformism going for you? Cause I and a lot of other people in the real world aren't seeing any benefit from it. We can stem gun violence by making people's lives better and giving them a sense community and purpose, something that's lost in neoliberal capitalism no matter what minor tweaks you make to it. I'm talking about a long process of transforming the socio-political landscape through direct action before a violent overthrow is even considered. And even then, I'm something of a possibilist in that I think the best route would be to just defend the dual power systems we build against the inevitable attempts suppression rather than outright going on the offensive. As for your, I'm assuming half joking, last point, given that most gun violence against black people is committed by black people, then the way you'd need to resolve that through restricting access to firearms would be to particularly restrict black people's access to them. Which, to me, seems a lot more racist, especially when there's better solutions available.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/4/2023 12:18 PM
Yeah but no. Our military does fine against guerilla operations but the doctrine shift took time. You can currently see that now where the US army is moving from COIN to force on force. Leftists like to say the US military got spanked by insurgents in Camrys but conveniently forget that the Taliban offered to out right surrender to the US a record SEVEN times. Sons of Iraq used to be a Ba'athist resistance militia before becoming one of the strongest US counter parts in Iraq before the IA, ING and ISI were stood up. Muqtada Al Sadr and the beginnings of JAM were aligned with the US before the CG screwed that relationship to hell and Zarqawi was on the radar for years before ISIS was a twinkle in the eye. And even in theater years AQI, JAM and ISIS couldn't expand while US forces were in the area, the latter gaining so much steam tanks in large part to military and political corruption in the area. War and battle doctrine has changed so much from WWII and Vietnam that idea of what a victory no longer resembles what it once was. For the record, I'd also like to state that as an Iraq and Afghanistan war vet I'm not pro military, military intervention etc but I feel like disinformation needs to be addressed.
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callsign_romeo 4/4/2023 12:54 PM
Something about this conversation, this interaction, bothers me. I can't place it. I think everyone involved has a point, but something feels uncomfortable here.
12:59 PM
Not that anyone here owes me any amount of comfort. I just guess I hoped this would be different.
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RebelKitty 4/4/2023 1:02 PM
Hm, it reads like healthy debate to me. For the majority of us this is way outside our real-world wheelhouse, but it sounds like the undercurrent of open anti-war sentiment is probably as common.
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callsign_romeo 4/4/2023 1:04 PM
I suppose. My read might be bad just from spending so much time in the dark places. I just bristle at calls for revolution by folks who have never seen its consequences firsthand. I spent decades learning to fight. I was good at it. I keep arms because I like them, but also because I could be called to use that skillset for good. So far the call has never really come. I am getting older, and will probably never have the chance. These are my own internal struggles, and I'm sorry if I'm projecting.
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RebelKitty 4/4/2023 1:06 PM
There might be an impression that a few speak for the many but everybody makes reasonable points. Overzealous reactionism gets little done but so does sitting around waiting for the legal system. There's a "middle path" though where citizens can enact realistic changes without overt warfare and breakdown of order.
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Making your own food for your community, for example, I consider a radical action and would cause dramatic changes over time. No bullets. You might need them more to stop varmints, get meat, and supplement the food though.
1:11 PM
We can form parallel systems to things that are monopolized and choked by the system you want to move past. Alternative mesh networking, digital radio, food support, relocation and moving, etc. These are all realistic, nonviolent, but if enacted properly radical things.
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Change of any kind causes friction, but there's means by which you can do these things to minimize that friction while still doing real things. Just my two cents on everything said.
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Raps [PDX,OR]
Yeah but no. Our military does fine against guerilla operations but the doctrine shift took time. You can currently see that now where the US army is moving from COIN to force on force. Leftists like to say the US military got spanked by insurgents in Camrys but conveniently forget that the Taliban offered to out right surrender to the US a record SEVEN times. Sons of Iraq used to be a Ba'athist resistance militia before becoming one of the strongest US counter parts in Iraq before the IA, ING and ISI were stood up. Muqtada Al Sadr and the beginnings of JAM were aligned with the US before the CG screwed that relationship to hell and Zarqawi was on the radar for years before ISIS was a twinkle in the eye. And even in theater years AQI, JAM and ISIS couldn't expand while US forces were in the area, the latter gaining so much steam tanks in large part to military and political corruption in the area. War and battle doctrine has changed so much from WWII and Vietnam that idea of what a victory no longer resembles what it once was. For the record, I'd also like to state that as an Iraq and Afghanistan war vet I'm not pro military, military intervention etc but I feel like disinformation needs to be addressed.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 1:15 PM
True, but I could argue in turn that the reason the definition of victory has changed is because it's had to. The Taliban offered to surrender a bunch of times, but do you really think they wouldn't have gone right back to being them the second we left, just like they did? In the case of the theater campaigns, yes those forces found it difficult to expand their controlled territory, but US hasn't exactly been successful in eliminating them and their ideas either. The whole point of guerilla warfare is that you can survive and proliferate in the presence of a force that you can't beat outright. Cause then it's just a waiting game as large force expends more and more resources on trying and failing to exterminate the guerilla force. Ultimately when it stops being worth it, they let their guards down or pull out, and the guerilla forces seize control. The same would apply to a domestic case. At a certain point trying to hunt down freedom fighters in the Rockies, in Appalachia, in the swamps of the South, or in the plateaus and deserts of the Southwest, would just get to expensive and exhausting to justify it. Given that we're talking about a defensive effort of a dual power system here, ultimately the people still in state controlled areas would be calling for the rebels to just be left to their own devices. The goal doesn't have to be to beat the US military. That's probably not possible and it's certainly unnecessary. The goal would just be to outlast them.
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We can form parallel systems to things that are monopolized and choked by the system you want to move past. Alternative mesh networking, digital radio, food support, relocation and moving, etc. These are all realistic, nonviolent, but if enacted properly radical things.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 1:19 PM
Thing is, this is exactly what I'm calling for. I've already stated multiple times, I'm not calling for an immediatist violent overthrow of our society. But I also know that where a parallel system as you call it, or dual power as I would call it, forms it will almost always face suppression, and thus needs to be defended both as and after it's established.
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True, but I could argue in turn that the reason the definition of victory has changed is because it's had to. The Taliban offered to surrender a bunch of times, but do you really think they wouldn't have gone right back to being them the second we left, just like they did? In the case of the theater campaigns, yes those forces found it difficult to expand their controlled territory, but US hasn't exactly been successful in eliminating them and their ideas either. The whole point of guerilla warfare is that you can survive and proliferate in the presence of a force that you can't beat outright. Cause then it's just a waiting game as large force expends more and more resources on trying and failing to exterminate the guerilla force. Ultimately when it stops being worth it, they let their guards down or pull out, and the guerilla forces seize control. The same would apply to a domestic case. At a certain point trying to hunt down freedom fighters in the Rockies, in Appalachia, in the swamps of the South, or in the plateaus and deserts of the Southwest, would just get to expensive and exhausting to justify it. Given that we're talking about a defensive effort of a dual power system here, ultimately the people still in state controlled areas would be calling for the rebels to just be left to their own devices. The goal doesn't have to be to beat the US military. That's probably not possible and it's certainly unnecessary. The goal would just be to outlast them.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/4/2023 1:20 PM
I'd agree since you're arguing from an economical standpoint but military subjugation doesn't always have to be economically minded. Case in point is the ongoing establishment of the Russian Federation.
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I'd agree since you're arguing from an economical standpoint but military subjugation doesn't always have to be economically minded. Case in point is the ongoing establishment of the Russian Federation.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 1:26 PM
The RF is falling apart at the seams right now though. Their invasion of Ukraine is tearing their economy to shreds. And an increasing number of Russian people, including in high positions, are opposing the war despite the Russian government arresting thousands of people for it. If anything that seems to prove my point. (edited)
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DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 1:34 PM
Also, something that often gets overlooked when discussing guerilla warfare is the element of expropriation. Not every guerilla force does this, but many of the most successful guerilla forces in history found success by stealing and using the materials of the larger force against them. I can't beat a tank with an assault rifle, that's true. But I can wait for the tank operator to fall asleep and slit his throat. And now I have a tank. We've seen this sort of thing more in Ukraine, which has been part of their success, but it was also common in Chiapas and North and Eastern Syria as well as in pretty much all of the more successful insurgencies in Central and South America. Iirc, Mao also employed this strategy to extreme success. (edited)
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RebelKitty 4/4/2023 1:39 PM
Defense is one thing, but the moment that's used to excuse preemptive offense you start to lose people. I think given any social context the means for that defense might be better adapted. Using low-pro vests and concealed weapons at a public event vs. outright packing long rifles for instance. A severe breakdown of law and order might adapt them further and require more aggressive use of force, but as things stand as long as you want some order and trust among the populace you can't just use violence as your only method. Taliban were much better fighters than statesman, but because they undermined their own reasons for trusting them. Something like YPG, by contrast, works within at least some effective rule of communal law. It's much easier to get sympathy from others to your cause and ultimately compel them to it.
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Ukraine National Guard militias would be a good example of this balance on the more militant end, but they're also addressing a literal land invasion. Me using a PKM to protest or escort a neighbor is not going to be as palatable to people as that guardsman.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/4/2023 1:43 PM
open carrying vs using low visibility is for different purposes altogether though
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low visibility is much more of a defensive thing, open carrying is a show of force
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Defense is one thing, but the moment that's used to excuse preemptive offense you start to lose people. I think given any social context the means for that defense might be better adapted. Using low-pro vests and concealed weapons at a public event vs. outright packing long rifles for instance. A severe breakdown of law and order might adapt them further and require more aggressive use of force, but as things stand as long as you want some order and trust among the populace you can't just use violence as your only method. Taliban were much better fighters than statesman, but because they undermined their own reasons for trusting them. Something like YPG, by contrast, works within at least some effective rule of communal law. It's much easier to get sympathy from others to your cause and ultimately compel them to it.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 1:45 PM
Being more defensively oriented or even pacifist in some cases can also help to stave off the need for fighting as long as possible. Especially if the values you promote align with those of the general populace that are also then superficially promoted by the state. The reason the Sarvodaya Shramadana have been able to operate in Sri Lanka relatively unopposed is because the Sinhalese people don't really perceive them as a threat and they're generally pacifist, which makes it so that the government there couldn't really attack them without going full mask off.
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open carrying vs using low visibility is for different purposes altogether though
RebelKitty 4/4/2023 1:46 PM
I think it serves as a microcosm for this overall discussion though. What "force" is required for effective "revolution". I'm personally of the camp that more defensive-oriented groups are more likely to retain long term success vs. purely militant offensive groups.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/4/2023 1:46 PM
ah, fair
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RebelKitty 4/4/2023 1:49 PM
The Great Leap Forward and Stalin's Purges, for instance, just led to the alienation of huge swathes of their populations that still remain. You don't have this quite in Cuba, however, and other examples would exist. The fervor for revolution has to be met with an equal consideration for long term stability and normalcy of society.
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Being more defensively oriented or even pacifist in some cases can also help to stave off the need for fighting as long as possible. Especially if the values you promote align with those of the general populace that are also then superficially promoted by the state. The reason the Sarvodaya Shramadana have been able to operate in Sri Lanka relatively unopposed is because the Sinhalese people don't really perceive them as a threat and they're generally pacifist, which makes it so that the government there couldn't really attack them without going full mask off.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 1:50 PM
That's part of the reason I like the aesthetics and ideas of this group. For leftist and progressive thought to find success in America, it needs to swaddle itself in the red, white, and blue. We need to find ways to make socialist democracy and progressive values look as American as apple pie. Which actually isn't as hard as it sounds. (edited)
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RebelKitty 4/4/2023 1:50 PM
Eye for an eye making the world blind and all.
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The Great Leap Forward and Stalin's Purges, for instance, just led to the alienation of huge swathes of their populations that still remain. You don't have this quite in Cuba, however, and other examples would exist. The fervor for revolution has to be met with an equal consideration for long term stability and normalcy of society.
DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 2:02 PM
That's partly because in Cuba the revolution was against a fascist regime that was backed by foreign powers. The anti-colonial aspect of the revolution allowed them to play more to the local ideals and culture. And since the revolution, community organisation, the will and values of the people, and the indigenous culture of Cuba have all remained a major part of how the party there has governed (this isn't me stanning Cuba tbc, just analyzing their successes). (edited)
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That's partly because in Cuba the revolution was against a fascist regime that was backed by foreign powers. The anti-colonial aspect of the revolution allowed them to play more to the local ideals and culture. And since the revolution, community organisation, the will and values of the people, and the indigenous culture of Cuba have all remained a major part of how the party there has governed (this isn't me stanning Cuba tbc, just analyzing their successes). (edited)
RebelKitty 4/4/2023 2:06 PM
No, same. I wasn't endorsing things as a whole but they show the mixed reactions populations can have to "revolution". I think we're all not far off the same page, slight variations in there, but I was impressed that folks were actually articulating these things back and forth and not just, "Muh but wrong".
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RebelKitty 4/4/2023 2:17 PM
But also here is gun going boom for sake of being relevant to this channel ๐Ÿ˜นโค๏ธ
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/4/2023 2:17 PM
oh yeah channel relevance uhhhh
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DevilTheAutopoet 4/4/2023 2:22 PM
Elisha Moon Williams Queers With Guns A Model For Queering American Gun Culture February 7th, 2022
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/4/2023 6:24 PM
I'm now officially a member of the SRA.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
I'm now officially a member of the SRA.
I hope you have a better experience there than everyone I know.
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I'm now officially a member of the SRA.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/5/2023 12:26 AM
If you have issues contacting your local hit me up and I can put you in touch with peeps.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/5/2023 3:13 PM
what's this?
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what's this?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/5/2023 3:15 PM
Liberal gun owners has a discord server.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/5/2023 3:59 PM
Hard pass there, m8.
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Hard pass there, m8.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/5/2023 5:31 PM
I've spent some time there and it's honestly not as bad as it sounds. Mostly just folks who want to talk guns and meet up to shoot.
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callsign_romeo 4/5/2023 5:32 PM
That's what I want!
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I've spent some time there and it's honestly not as bad as it sounds. Mostly just folks who want to talk guns and meet up to shoot.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/5/2023 5:54 PM
Personally speaking I don't gel well with libs. There's always some mind numbing inanity just waiting to fall out of their mouths and cause my brains to leak out of my ears.
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Personally speaking I don't gel well with libs. There's always some mind numbing inanity just waiting to fall out of their mouths and cause my brains to leak out of my ears.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/5/2023 6:04 PM
Fair enough. I've gotten into my fair share of shouting matches with them (usually over guns).
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/5/2023 6:05 PM
I don't shout with them. Typically as a rule I don't debate people anymore because I realize it's generally a futile gesture.
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But libs typically have massive unchecked blind spots that they fail to self criticize, gun bans and the defense of marginalized peoples is a salient point. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/5/2023 6:06 PM
The second I bring up how I don't support an AWB I either get called: 1.) An NRA shill. 2.) A supporter of dead kids. 3.) Paranoid. 4.) All of the above.
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The first one is even funnier because the NRA sucks off cops while their incompetence and outright malice is the reason I advocate for arming ourselves.
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Nobody values your life and your loved ones more than you, so why trust their safety to people who aren't even legally bound to care?
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/5/2023 6:21 PM
Well a big distinction between libs and radicals is the belief that the state is designed to work for the lower/laboring classes. Trusting cops fits in with that.
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So far my experience with liberal gun groups has been the same chuds as any other but with slightly higher tolerance over being trans. There's still this like, weird incessant "competitive" need to tell others how X is so much better, your contrasting opinion is dumb, their splits are faster, and/or repeat like the same basic wiki information on why you should be using 5.56 instead. Yet nothing truly enriching or productive is done. D--- measuring, basically. This group, however, has been one of the only places in my life I feel like I could have a reasonable gun discussion. Thank you โค๏ธ (edited)
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So far my experience with liberal gun groups has been the same chuds as any other but with slightly higher tolerance over being trans. There's still this like, weird incessant "competitive" need to tell others how X is so much better, your contrasting opinion is dumb, their splits are faster, and/or repeat like the same basic wiki information on why you should be using 5.56 instead. Yet nothing truly enriching or productive is done. D--- measuring, basically. This group, however, has been one of the only places in my life I feel like I could have a reasonable gun discussion. Thank you โค๏ธ (edited)
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 12:48 AM
"5.56 iS sO mUcH bEtTeR tHaN .308! iT's LiGhTeR aNd PuTs oUt LeSs rEcOiL, aNd It WilL kILl A pErSoN jUsT fInE! bEsIdEs, No FiGhT eVeR hApPeNs BeYoNd 300 mEtErS!"
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1) you're a little bitch if you can't handle .308 out of a typical length rifle under normal firing conditions, the recoil difference is neglagible for practical shooting, given that you aren't actually going to want to do a mag dump, and is pretty much a non-factor for target shooting. 2) Unless you're actually roughing it out in the woods for a guerilla war or lugging it into a warzone, the weight difference is a non-factor; you have to get into the 100a of rounds before weight actually matters, and at that point, you probably have enough ammo anyway, assuming you can afford that much of either (edited)
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3) not all 5.56 will defeat modern body armor reliably, especially if you're actually getting a fight; .308 eats Kevlar and ceramic like cheerios, especially under 500 meters, and even body armor it can't penetrate, it still delivers more than sufficient kinetic energy to rupture organs and break bones, meaning it will still end a fight. 4) That study was deeply flawed, and relied exclusively on what soldiers estimated what the ranges were, not the actual distances, and the average distance was 300-500m, and took place in an era before optics, and because its averages, around half of all engagements were supposedly beyond that distance. Yes, an assault rifle will work for most situations, but having the ability to reach out further is very important, hence why LMGs and Designated marksmen are a thing, and why we saw a re-emergence of the battle rifle, and of more powerful intermediate rounds (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/6/2023 12:56 AM
yeah i'm getting a 7.62 SIG as my first self-purchased gun and that'll probably be my main piece
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follow-up shots just mean you didn't hit them right or hard enough (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 1:02 AM
and 5) I want to actually do something with my rifle beyond range day and shooting coyotes; if it doesn't have a practical use beyond combat, you have no real way of putting your skills to practice, hence why I like a rifle I can use for hunting more than coyotes
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and for self-defense, a handgun is better for out and about, and a shotgun is a preferable choice for home defense, simply do to being a bit more forgiving when you're nervous and in the dark
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I'm generally going to stand up and play Liberal's Advocate a lot of the time, but Liberal Gun Owners are just, as Rebelkitty said, chuds
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RebelKitty 4/6/2023 1:54 AM
Couldn't put it more eloquently. I really love all pewpews. It's the people around them that can get tiring sometimes. Again very thankful for this kind of environment.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/6/2023 10:47 AM
106 votes and 11 comments so far on Reddit
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/6/2023 11:03 AM
the AN-94 wouldโ€™ve been an amazing gun if it wasnโ€™t so insanely complex by necessity
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/6/2023 2:40 PM
Hah, what?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/6/2023 2:46 PM
Somebody should remind Biden of the fourth amendment.
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Gina Cook
The sheriff of Frederick County, Maryland, has been indicted by a federal grand jury in connection to a scheme to illegally acquire machine guns, the Maryland U.S. Attorneyโ€™s Office announced Wednesday.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 4:34 PM
Itโ€™s Forbes, so Iโ€™m a little skeptical
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They donโ€™t exactly have the best record of fact checking their headlines
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Or articles
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Itโ€™s not impossible, but Iโ€™m hesitant about the whole thing
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Remember, a lot of these scares are motivated by capitalism; the import ban was pushed for and sponsored by domestic manufacturers to choke our foreign competition and boost sales
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And everytime something like this happens, sales skyrocket; theyโ€™ve been known to push fake stories to boost sales when they start to dip because they keep bumping prices
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Cui Bono
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/6/2023 6:35 PM
"Not fair!! Only we can be militant!!"
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Also @RebelKitty, you're famous now.
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Also @RebelKitty, you're famous now.
RebelKitty 4/6/2023 6:54 PM
The face of "Far Left Militants", whoulda thunk? Never mind that I deprecate SRA openly, but I'm trans so basically Karl Marx.
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He looks like he dates his sister no cap
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The face of "Far Left Militants", whoulda thunk? Never mind that I deprecate SRA openly, but I'm trans so basically Karl Marx.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/6/2023 6:55 PM
You were already Karl Marx by being left of Reagan.
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He looks like he dates his sister no cap
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/6/2023 6:55 PM
And sounds like he smokes 10 packs a day.
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RebelKitty 4/6/2023 6:56 PM
Good taste though, amirite? ๐Ÿ˜น Picked a cute one.
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"Not fair!! Only we can be militant!!"
AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/6/2023 6:57 PM
Ah yes, defending against very aggressive and possibly hostile people, definately militant and problematic
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RebelKitty 4/6/2023 6:59 PM
Literally Orwell's 1984
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/6/2023 6:59 PM
Lmao
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He looks like he dates his sister no cap
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 11:13 PM
He almost certainly does
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There are like three good channels on GunTube
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/6/2023 11:14 PM
GT is a shit person but he makes good content so i still watch him
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 11:14 PM
4 if you count Forgotten weapons and Inrange as separate channels
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
GT is a shit person but he makes good content so i still watch him
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 11:15 PM
I meant like, gun YouTube
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C&Rsenal, Forgotten Weapons, Inrange, and British Muzzleoaders
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Those are the four
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/6/2023 11:16 PM
Print Shoot Repeat is good as well.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 11:17 PM
Never heard of them
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Iโ€™ll need to check them out
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Iโ€™ll need to check them out
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/6/2023 11:19 PM
https://youtu.be/TMkT92EuzEM For one thing, he doesn't take himself too seriously.
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AvoidOblivion 4/6/2023 11:19 PM
Forgotten Weapons is the best.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/6/2023 11:20 PM
https://youtu.be/kucefQ6sYbo He also made the most homoerotic... anything involving an MP5 ever.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 11:20 PM
FW slaps, and Inrange is great too; Karl is an absolute Chad
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And C&Rsenal is just really good niche content
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AvoidOblivion 4/6/2023 11:21 PM
Iโ€™ll have to check the others out. This time of night is approaching my meditation time, so that is a task for tomorrow.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/6/2023 11:29 PM
Inrange is the sister channel of FW, Ian co-hosts it with Karl, and C&Rsenal do antique military arms from roughly the turn of the century
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
GT is a shit person but he makes good content so i still watch him
This is true of way too many these days T^T
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/6/2023 11:35 PM
yep!
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really unfortunate
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his whole thing about being deadly in the woods though is funny because itโ€™s all stuff youโ€™d learn if you just went hunting
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I used to kinda give Tacticool Girlfriend grief for being a lil bougie and advertising a lot of products, but anymore I'm like that lady has guts just being out there. Go fuckin getsome.
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To me one of my biggest turnoffs is constant product promotion/commercializing of your content. (edited)
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Inrange is the sister channel of FW, Ian co-hosts it with Karl, and C&Rsenal do antique military arms from roughly the turn of the century
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/7/2023 1:29 AM
Karl and Ian recently had a falling out. Ian was also fasch defending a few weeks back.
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Karl I assume rightfully called out fash?
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Karl I assume rightfully called out fash?
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 9:46 AM
Said gun rights arenโ€™t rights if not applied to everyone, and that queer people and minorities have as much right as anyone else to defend themselves with them. Said we have a big problem with that in US gun culture, that we basically just mean โ€œWhite straight guysโ€ when we talk about gun rights
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It's a shame that, that take cost him the brownells partnership.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 1:33 PM
Again, gun companies suck so much ass
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Leftist need to make their own gun company
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Advertise to fellow leftist and trans folk
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Make billions
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Buy out/hollow out competition
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Profit Arm the leftist masses Estill a sense of fuck around and found out for right wingers to fear
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Leftist need to make their own gun company
RebelKitty 4/7/2023 3:35 PM
I agree. Hear me out: Cat ear leaf sights. ๐Ÿ˜น More realistically though Bishop's Gun Barn and Bishop Firearms are owned by a transwoman. For obvious reasons most of that generation are pretty low-key but these shops do exist already, at least to some degree.
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Bishop's also makes total works of art. Like damn.
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They do complete custom jobs, competition guns, and even engraving.
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Ms. Bishop even invented her own calibers and is pretty well known among competition shooting gun aficionados.
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Her and her trans partner were also vets. She's basically my hero IRL. Based Queen Supreme.
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 4:23 PM
Fuck. That is beautiful.
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 4:30 PM
Just... look at this beauty. Magnificent.
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Just... look at this beauty. Magnificent.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/7/2023 4:32 PM
It's CA compliant and actually looks decent. What is this madness?
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 4:38 PM
That stock has such a strange shape, yet somehow visually works.
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 4:39 PM
I love the look of that stock. Does anyone know what stock that is, or any others with a similar design?
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AvoidOblivion
I love the look of that stock. Does anyone know what stock that is, or any others with a similar design?
RebelKitty 4/7/2023 4:42 PM
I'm hit or miss on Magpul personally but my gf runs this stock which is visually very similar and it's pretty nice overall: https://magpul.com/prs-gen3-precision-adjustable-stock.html?mp_global_color=118
The definition of precision
4:45 PM
That's currently on her XF-50, so it can handle some beating, but it still bruises like a mofo. She had it on an AR-10 originally though and it made fixed position scope shooting nicer for sure.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
It's CA compliant and actually looks decent. What is this madness?
I too would like to buy this for reasons
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So they fucked around and soon found out?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/7/2023 5:30 PM
yes Fox, that IS the second ammendment
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AvoidOblivion
Just... look at this beauty. Magnificent.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:26 PM
Arenโ€™t thumbhole stocks Cali-compliant?
7:27 PM
Cause I LOVE thumbhole stocks
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Arenโ€™t thumbhole stocks Cali-compliant?
AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:27 PM
Iโ€™m not certain. They are very cool.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Arenโ€™t thumbhole stocks Cali-compliant?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/7/2023 7:28 PM
Nope.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:30 PM
I canโ€™t afford it at the moment, but if I ever get the time and money to build an AR, itโ€™s going to have a wood Thumbhole stock
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Nope.
RebelKitty 4/7/2023 7:30 PM
Because reasons - CA politician
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:30 PM
Probably an AR10
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RebelKitty
Because reasons - CA politician
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/7/2023 7:31 PM
"It makes them safer... somehow."
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
I canโ€™t afford it at the moment, but if I ever get the time and money to build an AR, itโ€™s going to have a wood Thumbhole stock
AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:31 PM
I would love to have an AR with a thumbhole stock or something similar. It just looks right.
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AvoidOblivion
I would love to have an AR with a thumbhole stock or something similar. It just looks right.
RebelKitty 4/7/2023 7:31 PM
Hmm, I've honestly never really considered this but it is kinda hot.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:32 PM
Maybe Iโ€™ll do just wood furniture; recreate the combat rifle from FNV but in 308
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Maybe Iโ€™ll do just wood furniture; recreate the combat rifle from FNV but in 308
AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:32 PM
The Battle Rifle? An M1 Garand?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:32 PM
Service rifle
7:33 PM
The NCRโ€™s standard rifle
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:33 PM
Oh, the Service Rifle. Still an American icon (in the Fallout universe).
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AvoidOblivion
I would love to have an AR with a thumbhole stock or something similar. It just looks right.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:33 PM
I mean, look at this, and tell me it isnโ€™t the nicest looking thing youโ€™ve seen
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AvoidOblivion
Oh, the Service Rifle. Still an American icon (in the Fallout universe).
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:33 PM
Yes
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/7/2023 7:34 PM
You want an ADAR in other words.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
You want an ADAR in other words.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:34 PM
A classier version
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:34 PM
It is beautiful, but I would prefer black color with at least a rail for a grip.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:35 PM
Fair, maybe do like the Federov or Romanian AK, with the built in fore grip
7:36 PM
Or like, wood hand guard covers
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
I canโ€™t afford it at the moment, but if I ever get the time and money to build an AR, itโ€™s going to have a wood Thumbhole stock
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/7/2023 7:40 PM
Iโ€™m looking at making a list of parts for this, so if you have a recommendation for an AR10 lower, let me know
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/8/2023 12:25 AM
Holy shit
12:25 AM
Karl from InRange wore a Makhnovschina patch
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/8/2023 12:51 AM
Speaking of patches, any suggestions for leftist patches to put on my earpro?
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Simple three arrows would be good
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Speaking of patches, any suggestions for leftist patches to put on my earpro?
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/8/2023 9:12 AM
9:13 AM
I have taken to having an American Flag upside down. We fly the flag at half mast to express grief, but we fly the flag upside down to showcase when the Nation is in grave distress.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Karl from InRange wore a Makhnovschina patch
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/8/2023 10:01 AM
In an stream with Atun shei, Karl mentioned he considers himself an anarchist
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
In an stream with Atun shei, Karl mentioned he considers himself an anarchist
AvoidOblivion 4/8/2023 10:23 AM
I will now simp for Karl.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/8/2023 10:46 AM
Karl is a chad
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AvoidOblivion 4/8/2023 11:22 AM
He truly is.
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RebelKitty 4/8/2023 4:04 PM
I generally like Karl. Lowkey my fan theory is he and Tacticool Girlfriend have spooned. Gotta spoon your battle buddies, y'know?
4:05 PM
And like if you haven't smooched your battle buddy at least once you're not fighting for a good enough cause imo :*3
4:06 PM
That's like, 99% kidding but when they talk about each other they both get kinda cute ngl.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
I mean, look at this, and tell me it isnโ€™t the nicest looking thing youโ€™ve seen
Better thumbhole stock than mine started out with.
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RebelKitty
That's like, 99% kidding but when they talk about each other they both get kinda cute ngl.
So what you are saying is that they are an OTP and you ship them hard. (edited)
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6:32 PM
I feel like that would piss off more than a few tankies with the age difference.
6:32 PM
So I'm here for it.
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Better thumbhole stock than mine started out with.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/8/2023 6:57 PM
Was it made by a drunken chimp?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Was it made by a drunken chimp?
It was made to satisfy the previous "Assault Rifle" ban... then the US banned all Chinese rifles. So these "Sporters" are all Norinco MAK-90 AK-47 (along with the associated buttery smooth action) but with one of the absolute worst stock/grip design of all time. But because they are an AK-47 you can drop any stock and grip on it you want... still having all the buttery beautiful smoothness of the norinco action. Which is why, on bidding sites these start bidding at 750, and if you find one for sale it'll sell for over 1400 all day. But I bought mine for 400 and that included 3 factory steel 30rnd mags, back when no one wanted them. (edited)
8:09 PM
I bought mine new in box with 3 mags for 400 in 2001... it spent 8 years with no one wanting it.
8:15 PM
One up side is that without the cleaning rod of the original Norinco MAK-90, you can fit a barrel mounted rail attachment. Down side is, the receiver is 1/16th of an inch skinnier than standard AKs... so if you add a side rail scope mount you need to add a 1/32nd inch spacer to offset the scope rail to center it.
8:20 PM
Hand sanding 2 1mm wide M4 washers to .7mm sucks donkey dick.
8:23 PM
Side note... I've never fired a semi-auto rifle with a smoother action, it has the least recoil of any AK-47 without a muzzle device I've ever fired. But it weighs about as much as an M-14. The super rare milled receiver versions from 1990 (I think) were even heavier.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/8/2023 9:13 PM
FYI: PASGT helmets don't go over earpro. Don't make the same mistake I did.
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FYI: PASGT helmets don't go over earpro. Don't make the same mistake I did.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/8/2023 9:18 PM
Yyyep. the whole reason highcuts exist is so you can wear or mount earpro or comms (edited)
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Foamies are enough if youโ€™re just shooting though and not doing drills with friends
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So what you are saying is that they are an OTP and you ship them hard. (edited)
lol correct ๐Ÿ˜น
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
"Not fair!! Only we can be militant!!"
Blahaj Blaster 4/9/2023 8:34 AM
I was wondering who kept link sharing my sra post lol
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
In an stream with Atun shei, Karl mentioned he considers himself an anarchist
AvoidOblivion 4/9/2023 9:38 AM
I have been watching many of InRange's videos recently. I noticed that during Finnish Brutality 2021, Karl had a patch on that said "No Gods, No Masters." The man is a true Chad.
9:36 PM
I want it
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/10/2023 9:45 PM
It does suck considerably more than a gun only a 100 dollars more tho
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It does suck considerably more than a gun only a 100 dollars more tho
But that name tho. I'd have it as a backup CC piece just for that reason.
9:52 PM
jk... my backup will always be a Saturday night special.
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jk... my backup will always be a Saturday night special.
AvoidOblivion 4/10/2023 10:01 PM
If you want a truly special Saturday Night Special, may I present the Kolibri? https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a21717/forgotten-weapons-smallest-pistol-in-the-world/
The 2.7mm Kolibri, or Hummingbird, was crafted by Austrian watchmaker Franz Pfannl in the early 1900s.
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Ah, the caliber that hurts less than a nail gun
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If you want a truly special Saturday Night Special, may I present the Kolibri? https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a21717/forgotten-weapons-smallest-pistol-in-the-world/
I can at least get two fingers around my .38... and it'll still blow a hole large enough to put my fist through in someone. I'm not sure that would either stay in my hand, or hurt more than a BB.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/10/2023 10:16 PM
It looks like a glue gun.
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AvoidOblivion 4/10/2023 10:17 PM
A glue gun is probably more reliable.
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I always hear people shot on hi point but everyone i meet who actually has one stands by them.
10:18 PM
+ ohio made
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For 170 bucks I could do worse.
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And if it doesn't work I can keep sending it back til it does.
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+ ohio made
AvoidOblivion 4/10/2023 10:21 PM
Is that meant to be a good thing?
10:23 PM
Iโ€™d consider a Hi-Point. They are inexpensive. It would be something I would use in an emergency, though, as an โ€œI have nothing left to useโ€ sort of weapon. Iโ€™ve heard far too many negative reviews on it from people testing them to trust one.
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Is that meant to be a good thing?
I try to buy local.
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AvoidOblivion 4/10/2023 10:25 PM
Fair point.
10:25 PM
The proposed law would ban financial institutions from using a firearms code in connection with a payment card transaction involving a firearm retailer in North Carolina.
10:26 PM
A bill introduced in the North Carolina House would prohibit financial institutions operating in the state from using a credit card merchant code to track the purchases of firearms and ammunition.
The bill would also prohibit a financial institution from knowingly maintaining a record of individuals residing in this State who own firearms.
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IMPACT ON FEDERAL PROGRAMS Concern about the misuse of firearms databases isnโ€™t just paranoia. The Taliban has reportedly used a firearm ownership database created by the U.S. government to track down gun owners and confiscate firearms in Afghanistan. This goes to show that even if you trust the people creating the database, it can fall into the wrong hands. In other words, the very existence of a database is a danger
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jk... my backup will always be a Saturday night special.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/11/2023 12:05 AM
https://youtu.be/BU3eBvNv_x4 Now you've got me thinking of this.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/11/2023 4:23 PM
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/11/2023 5:33 PM
They legit could have just re-used the shells from the DB shotgun from Fallout 4 and 76
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/11/2023 5:33 PM
Yep
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They did guns dirty, multiple times
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hopefully just a stand-in since the release isnโ€™t supposed to be until Sept
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/11/2023 8:27 PM
its bethesda
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they never fix anything
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they only break stuff
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AvoidOblivion 4/11/2023 8:51 PM
โ€œIt just works.โ€ He never said it would work well, just that it would work.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/11/2023 10:24 PM
Interesting guide I saw
10:24 PM
Disagree with NODs under comms but thatโ€™s arguable
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/11/2023 10:34 PM
If I had to re do this I'd honestly put nods under ballistic armor since nods have an immediate use and the chances of any of us using our plates other than larping and working out is nil.
10:34 PM
I feel like coms sets are something that get refined a lot and thus will probably be the last to be finished which is why they're at the top of the pyramid.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 12:51 PM
The Mission Essential Plate Carrier (MEPC) is a minimalist plate carrier for military, law enforcement, and civilian use. Itโ€™s highly modular design makes it adaptable for any mission. Soft goods for hard people.
12:51 PM
good carrier on sale for $140
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Cumberbund sold sep.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 1:02 PM
Yeah
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Another 100-175. So 240-315.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 1:12 PM
oh right, yeah. forgot that cummerbunds are expensive af
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thanks for the correction
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Don't get me wrong, looks like a decent product. But how's that compare to other plate carriers and cumberbunds?
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As far as price.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 1:15 PM
The primary advantage in my eyes is that itโ€™s made for their placards which are extremely customizable
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I love my MEPC, but god damn is it expensive to kit it out. And the lead times have gotten bad
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The carrier itself has reviewed pretty well on gun tube. I know hop from tfbtv uses one.
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https://taskandpurpose.com/gear/best-plate-carriers/ here is what task and purpose/ nylon theory wrote about it and panther plate carriers
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/12/2023 4:16 PM
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I want M1 Garand
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/12/2023 7:02 PM
I wan G3
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good for weightlifting XD
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Cumberbund sold sep.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/12/2023 9:18 PM
You're better off getting a shaw concepts cummerbund or an axl. I have a MEPC and while I like the PC the cummerbund was absolute trash.
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Don't get me wrong, looks like a decent product. But how's that compare to other plate carriers and cumberbunds?
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/12/2023 9:21 PM
The MEPC is better than average but you can find LBT or LBX PCs for cheap and those require a small swap of the buckles to be compatible with most placards.
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fromdefilade 4/13/2023 8:50 AM
MEPC, Shaw ARC carrier, Crye AVS mixed with either AXL cummerbund, Ferro structural cummerbund, or AVS cummerbund. These will actually hold the weight of a rig and plates. Skeletal cummerbunds, Crye JPCs are just cloth holding up your plate. You want something structural and built to take a load you know. Even if youโ€™re only carrying 3 mags and a TQ, you want something thatโ€™ll hold up. Especially if youโ€™re not someone who is used to wearing a plate carrier or have strong traps
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Honestly, 5 mags on your plate carrier is a minimum. If youโ€™re engaged you need fire superiority and that means shooting off a lot of rounds in a small amount of time where your heart is beating so fast and adrenaline pumping that you burn through 2 maybe 3 mags before you can push through contact
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 9:22 AM
God I hate that point. Hard disagree that 6 + 1 mag line infantry SOP load out should be standard. 210 rounds for a long gun on your person (7x30) is a lot of ammunition. Not everyone is raiding Sadr City here. (edited)
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MEPC, Shaw ARC carrier, Crye AVS mixed with either AXL cummerbund, Ferro structural cummerbund, or AVS cummerbund. These will actually hold the weight of a rig and plates. Skeletal cummerbunds, Crye JPCs are just cloth holding up your plate. You want something structural and built to take a load you know. Even if youโ€™re only carrying 3 mags and a TQ, you want something thatโ€™ll hold up. Especially if youโ€™re not someone who is used to wearing a plate carrier or have strong traps
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 9:25 AM
To add to this the shaw concepts ARC V2 cummerbund is very good but it's $$$
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Raps [PDX,OR]
God I hate that point. Hard disagree that 6 + 1 mag line infantry SOP load out should be standard. 210 rounds for a long gun on your person (7x30) is a lot of ammunition. Not everyone is raiding Sadr City here. (edited)
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 9:38 AM
Should be standard if youโ€™re looking for a fight, i think
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 9:43 AM
I was in the army from October 01 - August 09, six years of that I was in 75th RGT. On very few occasions I was involved in firefights where I used more than four magazines within a 24 hour period. All of those events were facing off with incredibly organized and fortified opposing forces. The majority of firefights I've been involved in that took place over a period of days used less than three magazines in all. The salient point I'm trying to make is it's a far more prudent economy of weight to find the sweet spot on ammo and utilize load up points instead of thinking a 6 + 1 load out is essential. If you anticipate dealing with the former in my anecdote, chances are you won't be doing it alone. It's also incredibly unlikely for most to encounter. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 9:59 AM
okay yeah i think iโ€™ll defer to the actual ranger ๐Ÿ˜‚
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 10:05 AM
That's being said, as a FiSTer in BAT there were times that I carried six mags but very rarely. This was done for a few reasons but the two main were mobility and agility, jumping walls, fences and climbing through windows is a PITA when you're wide with gear and heavy and two was because we had vehicles near by.
10:06 AM
In the event vehicles weren't close or QRF was hours away we'd stage LUPs -Load Up Points- where our assault packs could be stored depending on the task and manpower but I digress.
10:08 AM
I think one of the biggest fallacies civilians have is emulating operators with load out when I see that being wildly unnecessary given the history of civil conflict and guerilla/ersatz militias.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 10:23 AM
thatโ€™s fair, itโ€™s easier to look at what professionals are doing even if what their purpose is doesnโ€™t match yours
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 10:35 AM
Absolutely. Like, you have to form a litmus but at the same time be realistic as to what your function will be. If shit popped off today I absolutely would not be loading up like I did when I was in the rgt for a number of reasons. Primarily amongst those is the fact that I'm not doing direct action.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/13/2023 10:39 AM
Oh Hogg, what did you do?
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Interesting guide I saw
I havenโ€™t seen a โ€œfood pyramidโ€ in forever, is it top or bottom has priority?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 10:44 AM
Bottom has priority
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fromdefilade 4/13/2023 10:56 AM
I was a Marine. We donโ€™t have rear echelon units ready to back us up and resupply now
10:59 AM
A drag story defense isnโ€™t getting a set up like this. A MEPC or Shaw V2 is gonna be hard to conceal so they are more overt carriers necessary for more stringent things. All of those micro rigs and stuff carrying 3 mags is for high speed dudes that have air and indirect fire assets at their disposal. A Marine line company full is going to be patrolling with a lot of mags.
11:01 AM
Iโ€™m telling people they need more than a JPC for comfort and the ability to carry more stuff if need be.
11:03 AM
Nazis are open carrying rifles more and more. Armed right wing militias are doing SUT and calling for blood now. People should be prepared for a concealed carry set up just as they should be prepared and capable of countering ambushes etc. if weโ€™re talking about buying plate carriers
11:04 AM
Lots of things are incredibly unlikely to happen.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 11:10 AM
tbf, if youโ€™re a guerilla and you stick around long enough to deplete 7 magazines (without being in an ambush or other situation you canโ€™t leave) you shouldโ€™ve been gone 30 minutes ago
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fromdefilade 4/13/2023 11:12 AM
Inexperienced shooters in a TIC will tend to expend a lot of ammo quick in a rush. Ideally people in 2023 need to have the capabilities to run a TAPS rig with water, lots of mags, admin stuff, and more as well as being able to run a concealed set up.
11:14 AM
Again, things like drag story hour probably arenโ€™t getting full battle rattle
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 11:14 AM
yeah, makes sense
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and in a world of only having semi-auto weapons youโ€™re probably gonna expend more ammunition trying to suppress without a machine gun
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fromdefilade 4/13/2023 11:24 AM
Or we could pull a Marcus Luttrell lone survivor and not expend any ammo in our firefights. Individualโ€™s call
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Nazis are open carrying rifles more and more. Armed right wing militias are doing SUT and calling for blood now. People should be prepared for a concealed carry set up just as they should be prepared and capable of countering ambushes etc. if weโ€™re talking about buying plate carriers
At that point a good battle belt should do the job
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 11:44 AM
Yeah I'm still gonna call poppycock here and say that an SOP load out for civilians is ridiculous at best and myopic at worst. The "lots of mags" mentality is better fitting for a Helms Deep leftist scenario since it entails something many of us will readily experience. Especially since most folks here probably aren't working with platoon or rifle team sized groups. Or if they are they'll probably be taking care of children, casualties or non combat capable people. Another "lotsa' mags" fallacy is mobility. When you were a marine you were in good shape, did regular PT and fitness tests. That's probably not the case for the grand majority of folks here nevermind civilians. (edited)
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fromdefilade 4/13/2023 11:45 AM
Call it whatever you want. I know what threats are in my area and what theyโ€™re capable of and training toward. The actions I have done so far have not called for full battle rattle but the people around me are prepared for such a thing.
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Call it whatever you want. I know what threats are in my area and what theyโ€™re capable of and training toward. The actions I have done so far have not called for full battle rattle but the people around me are prepared for such a thing.
I'm at the same point. If they are prepping for that level of event then I should prepare myself accordingly.
12:05 PM
For me that meant MEPC, and 5+1 mags for the AR
12:07 PM
Admittedly the scenario I've cooked up in my head is just bad justification to buy gear I like.
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fromdefilade 4/13/2023 12:11 PM
Thereโ€™s groups in my area with night vision capabilities who post 4chan rhetoric and shit that Tucker doesnโ€™t even go so far as to talk like. An MEPC with 5 mag minimum is solid.
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Thereโ€™s people in my circles with TAPS and thereโ€™s people with smaller rigs. Iโ€™m not gonna make someone change their kit set up or force them to drop money theyโ€™re not comfortable with to fit my kit ideals. Iโ€™ve given kit away, given people money for kit. But if youโ€™re capable financially and physically, then the load is going to get a lil heavier.
12:17 PM
And must say that shit is deep red where I live. Constitutional carry where threats are more likely to have more ammo on them. Deep blue gun control states and the people living there obviously a different scene to maneuver through.
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fromdefilade 4/13/2023 12:54 PM
It does drum up questions when they mention how many shootings have happened by x day of the year
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
tbf, if youโ€™re a guerilla and you stick around long enough to deplete 7 magazines (without being in an ambush or other situation you canโ€™t leave) you shouldโ€™ve been gone 30 minutes ago
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/13/2023 1:14 PM
Stay at range and cause trouble; even one wounded person is going to hinder the entire group greatly, and a lot of these Nazi chuds donโ€™t train for beyond 300 meters
1:15 PM
But on another note, what AR10 lower would you recommend for a rifle build?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 1:35 PM
Yeah true. Iโ€™d love to discuss the prospective tactics of a modern guerilla with some of the actual experts here and not my armchair general ass whose expertise comes from playing Combat Mission, arma, and hunting deer lmao
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Because now that I think more on it, intermediate calibers really should be avoided for someone with proper training IMO. The existence of thermals themselves means that you can reach out and not only see but hit someone at farther ranges, and itโ€™d at least be better to have a fast bullet like a 6.5
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/13/2023 1:37 PM
My thought process (Iโ€™m not an expert, Iโ€™m just guessing here) is that harassment is a more practical choice all things considered
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 1:37 PM
Mhm, I agree
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
But on another note, what AR10 lower would you recommend for a rifle build?
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/13/2023 1:38 PM
This is honestly my bigger point
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 1:38 PM
Shoot from far enough away that youโ€™re hard to spot visually and thermally. Skirmishing is really underrated as a tactic in favor of defeat in detail when a guerilla really shouldnโ€™t be storming a position in general
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/13/2023 1:38 PM
I wanna put together a list of parts
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 1:38 PM
I know nothing of AR-10s
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Iโ€™ll ask a friend who does
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Shoot from far enough away that youโ€™re hard to spot visually and thermally. Skirmishing is really underrated as a tactic in favor of defeat in detail when a guerilla really shouldnโ€™t be storming a position in general
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/13/2023 1:38 PM
Hell yeah
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Iโ€™ll ask a friend who does
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/13/2023 1:38 PM
Thanks
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Want to put together a list of parts for a hypothetical build
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Want to put together a list of parts for a hypothetical build
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 1:42 PM
M5 from Aero Precision
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
But on another note, what AR10 lower would you recommend for a rifle build?
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 2:04 PM
What's your budget? Aero is okay and entry level but there are far better lowers. That being said, if you want a battle rifle in 308 and have 308 money to throw around I'd suggest looking into a ptr91/100, cetmel, or an FAL.
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Personally I lust after a ptr91 and hope to buy one before the eventual AWB gets passed in my state.
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Bottom has priority
Bottoms always demand priority. Oh wait we're talking about guns.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 2:18 PM
LMAO
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Inexperienced shooters in a TIC will tend to expend a lot of ammo quick in a rush. Ideally people in 2023 need to have the capabilities to run a TAPS rig with water, lots of mags, admin stuff, and more as well as being able to run a concealed set up.
That is fucking deadass facts.
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Well the first part of it... but I'll defer to the opinion here on the second part due to lack of experience on the ground.
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It is interesting seeing the two different perspectives between Marine Corps and Army. Very enlightening to this squid.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 6:46 PM
I'd say it's more an argument of conventional SOP load out (fromdefilades POV) vs unconventional for functionally different reasons (my POV). (edited)
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Because I have the same conversations with folks who served in the regular army infantry who have had SOP drilled into their head that thinking outside that box becomes difficult for some.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
But on another note, what AR10 lower would you recommend for a rifle build?
Blahaj Blaster 4/13/2023 7:20 PM
Ar10s aren't plug and play like ar15s You'd probably be better served buying an already built gun so you don't have to worry with headspace or parts compatibility as you're building That being said, aero makes a pretty good reciever set that's dpms pattern
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/13/2023 8:07 PM
https://blackcatriflegroup.com/ Here's an interesting group I stumbled across. (edited)
Black Cat Rifle Group is dedicated to disseminating firearms, self defense, and life saving skills to all walks of life.
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Learned about them after they liked an Instagram post I made.
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(Sorry if I sound like I'm bragging. I'm just trying to explain how I was introduced to them.)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/13/2023 9:18 PM
If passed, Washington would become one of the first states in the country to implement a ban on assault weapons.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/13/2023 10:03 PM
New name for my Maverick 88: The Broke Bitch Blaster
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/13/2023 10:58 PM
I wonder if that AWB nullifies future NFA applications for preban AWs.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/14/2023 3:58 PM
you know youโ€™re in idaho when you just negotiated buying an LPVO from a sophomore in music class
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/14/2023 11:45 PM
A political action committee supporting Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) running for president launched an ad on Friday criticizing former President Trump as a โ€œgun-grabberโ€ over comments he has made โ€ฆ
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/15/2023 1:29 PM
How much do you think Ronnie paid them
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probably a lot
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but also, I would lose my shit if pro-trumpers end up crippling the nra
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/15/2023 4:36 PM
They're already on that path. GOA is full of staunch anti NRA pro trump weirdos.
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Blahaj Blaster 4/15/2023 4:38 PM
They also use the same fear mongering tactics that the nra used to use. FPC is the best organization I know of
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/15/2023 4:40 PM
FPC isn't a gun org though. It's more a lawyer group that opposes gun legislation. The NRA started as an education group then segued into policy and lobbying.
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Which is what the GOA is doing and what the SRA is trying to somewhat contrast.
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Pink pistols ironically picked up NRA's slack, least in the idea of informing people
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Pink pistols ironically picked up NRA's slack, least in the idea of informing people
Blahaj Blaster 4/15/2023 10:13 PM
Somewhat, they've really been slaking lately though and a lot of their stuff is out of date. The best info is passed from person to person or by taking a class from an instructor, but there's a huge variety in quality
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/17/2023 11:24 PM
Figured I'd take a "family photo".
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/17/2023 11:25 PM
Can you reach the light switch on your glork?
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Can you reach the light switch on your glork?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/17/2023 11:42 PM
Not with my shooting hand, no. It's better than the one I bought previously which almost flew off every time I shot my glork.
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Figured I'd take a "family photo".
Damn, a single-parent household. Must be tough
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Damn, a single-parent household. Must be tough
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/18/2023 9:37 PM
Thankfully, the kid's quite successful.
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Raps [PDX,OR]
Can you reach the light switch on your glork?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 1:20 AM
So I'm an idiot.
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Thought you were supposed to slide it down the rail until it locks in place.
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You can now point and laugh.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/19/2023 1:22 AM
U guud.
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Though some might give you shit for your light not protruding past your muzzle but personally I don't care about that garbage.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 1:28 AM
Eh, as long as I don't have my muzzle's shadow blocking anything.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/19/2023 9:35 AM
The light protruding is more about the slide not being partially racked and taking the gun out of battery but it's my humble opinion that positive control of a pistol means not pushing it up against things/people and allowing it to go out of battery.
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The light protruding is more about the slide not being partially racked and taking the gun out of battery but it's my humble opinion that positive control of a pistol means not pushing it up against things/people and allowing it to go out of battery.
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 11:40 AM
It can be hard to prevent that with someone on top of you, I'm on team light extending past slide as a stand off device
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 1:50 PM
What do you guys think of this new smart gun thatโ€™s coming to market?
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I think itโ€™s a really cool concept, and if itโ€™s viable, I think it could be a great way to improve gun safety and possibly reduce gun violence by making stolen guns effectively unusable
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Thatโ€™s assuming it works and is viable though
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AvoidOblivion 4/19/2023 1:53 PM
I'm curious about how well it works in adverse conditions, like mud, rain, snow, and intense heat.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 1:55 PM
Very true, and my main concern is reliability, but electronics have drastically improved since the early 2000s, so it maybe feasible, but I really want to see it run through its paces in a proper durability and reliability test
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AvoidOblivion 4/19/2023 1:56 PM
How long until InRange gets their hands on it and finally does another mud test?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 1:57 PM
Well Ian left, so it might be a while, but hopefully soon
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
I think itโ€™s a really cool concept, and if itโ€™s viable, I think it could be a great way to improve gun safety and possibly reduce gun violence by making stolen guns effectively unusable
I think it's cool, but I feel like I've been hearing about smart guns some like 2000s
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 2:10 PM
Yeah
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Still sounds like something you'd see on Future weapons back in the day
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
What do you guys think of this new smart gun thatโ€™s coming to market?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 2:16 PM
I'm worried what happens if the sensor malfunctions and/or stops working.
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Still sounds like something you'd see on Future weapons back in the day
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 2:16 PM
God, remember that show?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 2:16 PM
Nevermind the potential abuse by law enforcement and government agencies.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
I'm worried what happens if the sensor malfunctions and/or stops working.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 2:18 PM
I think that's what concerns me about the reliability. The "gun" part sounds fine, handguns are generally pretty well worked out mechanically, but the "Smart" bit is still very new territory
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Nevermind the potential abuse by law enforcement and government agencies.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 2:19 PM
I'm not sure I get where you're coming from here, would you mind explaining it? I'm not sure I understand how that would work, but that might just be on me
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God, remember that show?
Every time I do I'm reminded how old I've gotten
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 2:20 PM
It was fucking wild
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I'm not sure I get where you're coming from here, would you mind explaining it? I'm not sure I understand how that would work, but that might just be on me
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 2:21 PM
I'd imagine a backdoor of some kind to the "smart" part allowing cops and government agents to effectively disable your weapon should they choose to do so.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 2:22 PM
ah. that could be a concern, but that could be prevented I feel
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 2:38 PM
Laws haven't stopped the US government before.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/19/2023 2:42 PM
true, I'm thinking more in making the system self contained
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Anyone have any experience with the Stevens 320 12g?
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/19/2023 5:31 PM
Turkish made shotty, approach with caution.
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The one this guy I know has is made by Sun City Machinery out of China
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The one this guy I know has is made by Sun City Machinery out of China
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 5:53 PM
Definitely approach with caution then.
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Not finding any negative reviews... but I'm aware it's not my Norinco.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 5:58 PM
https://youtu.be/Hs5fJyEziiQ Speaking of shit shotguns.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/Hs5fJyEziiQ Speaking of shit shotguns.
But it had the coolest name ever.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/19/2023 6:05 PM
True.
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Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 6:21 PM
You can't judge every type of firearm by where it's made, turkey and China are both able to produce good and bad quality shotguns. The winchester sxp is made in turkey and the lynx is well liked as a Chinese made saiga copy though I personally have limited experience with both. As with all firearms you should always do your own research on the matter
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You can't judge every type of firearm by where it's made, turkey and China are both able to produce good and bad quality shotguns. The winchester sxp is made in turkey and the lynx is well liked as a Chinese made saiga copy though I personally have limited experience with both. As with all firearms you should always do your own research on the matter
Absolutely, and even one manufacturer isn't uniform in quality over the years. Norinco for example was great... possibly the best AK manufacturer in the world... till the late 90s... and everything they made after has been utter shit (also not importable thankfully).
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Absolutely, and even one manufacturer isn't uniform in quality over the years. Norinco for example was great... possibly the best AK manufacturer in the world... till the late 90s... and everything they made after has been utter shit (also not importable thankfully).
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 6:29 PM
I've heard mixed things depending on what they were producing, they switched from forging to casting firearms like their m14 (and maybe 1911) and they seem to have not done as well with that. But their cq seems well regarded as a pretty okay firearm. (edited)
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I've heard mixed things depending on what they were producing, they switched from forging to casting firearms like their m14 (and maybe 1911) and they seem to have not done as well with that. But their cq seems well regarded as a pretty okay firearm. (edited)
Possibly, I only deep dove into their MAK-90 line.
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Possibly, I only deep dove into their MAK-90 line.
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 6:38 PM
Fair, I haven't kept up with modern Chinese rifles much tbh
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Fair, I haven't kept up with modern Chinese rifles much tbh
Hell I don't even know what qualifies as modern in China... the MAK-90 was their version of the AK-47 (Type3)/AKM/Type-56 and was made for a VERY long time. (edited)
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Hell I don't even know what qualifies as modern in China... the MAK-90 was their version of the AK-47 (Type3)/AKM/Type-56 and was made for a VERY long time. (edited)
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 6:56 PM
I meant modern as still being produced not necessarily modern designs lol I assume China is still producing aks similar to the mak 90 at least, probably without the goofy stock though
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I meant modern as still being produced not necessarily modern designs lol I assume China is still producing aks similar to the mak 90 at least, probably without the goofy stock though
Well the Sporter only had that stock to get around the original Assault Rifle ban... otherwise it's a Type-56 without a bayonet lug. Incidentally the 80's to mid 90's are widely agreed upon to have the smoothest action of any AK ever made. Mine is like butter smooth. In theory they are but only for export. They aren't coming to the US however since Norinco was permabanned here. (edited)
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Well the Sporter only had that stock to get around the original Assault Rifle ban... otherwise it's a Type-56 without a bayonet lug. Incidentally the 80's to mid 90's are widely agreed upon to have the smoothest action of any AK ever made. Mine is like butter smooth. In theory they are but only for export. They aren't coming to the US however since Norinco was permabanned here. (edited)
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 6:58 PM
Operation dragon fire iirc.
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The only norinco I own is the hunter model (edited)
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With the angled receiver rear? What year?
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With the angled receiver rear? What year?
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 7:01 PM
Yes, I don't remember the year but it has the rear sight on thr dust cover like a valmet
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Yes, I don't remember the year but it has the rear sight on thr dust cover like a valmet
Milled reciever?
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Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 7:02 PM
Indeed, I've only seen pictures of one stamped one so I assume those are very rare
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Indeed, I've only seen pictures of one stamped one so I assume those are very rare
Yeah, the stamped ones became the Sporters I have. I'd LOVE to side by side test ours.
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Yeah, the stamped ones became the Sporters I have. I'd LOVE to side by side test ours.
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 7:05 PM
I'd be down if you lived nearby, I bought mine used and it's a little salty, I plan on eventually doing a valmet conversion to it
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Yeah, the stamped ones became the Sporters I have. I'd LOVE to side by side test ours.
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 7:09 PM
I see you're in Colorado, I was actually going to do a vacation up there later this year but that was canceled lol You're a bit way to far for a range trip unfortunately
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I see you're in Colorado, I was actually going to do a vacation up there later this year but that was canceled lol You're a bit way to far for a range trip unfortunately
Fair, if you do plan a trip this way, let me know. We've got an excellent 300 yard public range within minutes of great campgrounds nearby.
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Might be getting a SA .45XD 5" with holster for 400 tomorrow. Can't really pass it up if I can.
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Fair, if you do plan a trip this way, let me know. We've got an excellent 300 yard public range within minutes of great campgrounds nearby.
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 7:14 PM
Would love to visit Colorado sometime so I'll keep that in mind
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You can't judge every type of firearm by where it's made, turkey and China are both able to produce good and bad quality shotguns. The winchester sxp is made in turkey and the lynx is well liked as a Chinese made saiga copy though I personally have limited experience with both. As with all firearms you should always do your own research on the matter
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/19/2023 7:34 PM
The issue with Turkish guns (I have no experience with Chinese made guns) is typically the tooling and QA. There was a comprehensive thread on r/gundeals or some similar subreddit where a poster made an incredibly comprehensive guide as to why the market post covid panic buying has been flooded with Turkish shotguns that nearly all have a reputation of experiencing some kind of mecha ical failure. Can you judge ALL Turkish manufactured weapons off of that? No, there's decent factories but those factories also happen to churn out guns with simpler designs which pump action or auto shotguns are far from. Someone could luck out and get one that works like a dream but is the $400 savings worth that dice roll?
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The issue with Turkish guns (I have no experience with Chinese made guns) is typically the tooling and QA. There was a comprehensive thread on r/gundeals or some similar subreddit where a poster made an incredibly comprehensive guide as to why the market post covid panic buying has been flooded with Turkish shotguns that nearly all have a reputation of experiencing some kind of mecha ical failure. Can you judge ALL Turkish manufactured weapons off of that? No, there's decent factories but those factories also happen to churn out guns with simpler designs which pump action or auto shotguns are far from. Someone could luck out and get one that works like a dream but is the $400 savings worth that dice roll?
Blahaj Blaster 4/19/2023 7:39 PM
Full agreement here, there's plenty of bad turkish guns out there, heck I had one from many years ago that got recalled for being prone to kb. But there are also plenty of good turkish shotguns as well, like I said you've gotta do your research and avoid all of the popup companies that are importing unproven guns from turkey altogether.
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Sometimes I forget the idiocy of people. Dude wanted to sell me the Springfield .45XD 5" and the shotgun for 600. Ended up selling a fully setup AR and the Springfield to someone else for 800. Still has the shotgun he can't sell for shit. Could have sold the AR on it's own for 600 or more for a total of 1200+ instead he gets 800 with no chance at 200+ for the shotgun.
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Yeah the whole market post covid as been super fucked. I don't even want to think about how much I saw a mosin going for a a gun show back in Feb. Gun broker doesn't help either
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Yeah the whole market post covid as been super fucked. I don't even want to think about how much I saw a mosin going for a a gun show back in Feb. Gun broker doesn't help either
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/20/2023 9:41 AM
Meanwhile I can't trade my 91/30 for an M44. People are dumb.
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DumpyTheFrog 4/20/2023 12:23 PM
Spinner youโ€™re in CO? We gotta go shooting sometime! Iโ€™m a gunsmith out here in Denver
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/20/2023 3:43 PM
Better family photo. Gonna leave the old one up as an example of how not to mount a flashlight on your glork.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/20/2023 3:57 PM
glork,,,,,
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glork,,,,,
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/20/2023 4:05 PM
Blame @Raps [PDX,OR].
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/20/2023 5:59 PM
Don't.
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Don't.
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Spinner youโ€™re in CO? We gotta go shooting sometime! Iโ€™m a gunsmith out here in Denver
Problem with CO is everyone is so spread out, and everyone reasonably wants to hang out for beers or something before doing anything big. Which is great for you folks down the mountain. Not so great for those of us in the rarified airs of the peaks.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/20/2023 6:36 PM
https://youtu.be/BxywtQL3yzA 3D printing has truly peaked.
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https://youtu.be/BxywtQL3yzA 3D printing has truly peaked.
Soupchucker [HOU, TX] 4/20/2023 6:41 PM
saw this today, fucking hilarious but it is nice to see a mostly non-chuddy gun channel address the fucky-wuckyness of cannabis scheduling impeding 2A
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DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 1:47 PM
Me and my buddy from the Military are thinking of using our VA business loans to open an LGBTQ+ friendly gun store in Denver area thoughts?
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AvoidOblivion 4/21/2023 1:48 PM
That sounds like a good idea. Youโ€™d have to find LGBTQ+ friendly companies too.
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Me and my buddy from the Military are thinking of using our VA business loans to open an LGBTQ+ friendly gun store in Denver area thoughts?
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ok but seriously Chuds got too many gun stores
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DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 2:07 PM
For real.
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we need to even the market place and put the reminder hey dipshit, we can be armed too
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just be prepare to deal with some fuckers
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fuck, I once pitched the idea of a openly leftist themed gun store called "Arming the Masses" with full on mock-communist theming as a bit of a joke, but the idea of leftist gun stores are starting to crop up, but unfortunately predominately in big cities
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DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 2:09 PM
I worked at a few gun stores and gunsmithed at others that gave me attitude. But I have a good feeling about this. I have enough credentials (gunsmithing license, Glock armorer) to make it real
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good
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DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 2:09 PM
We plan on calling it John Brown armory
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Or possibly something about 43 Group
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Sacred Band
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after the army of greek lovers who fucked over Sparta's monopoly of violence
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DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 2:10 PM
The 43 Group was an English anti-fascist group set up by Jewish ex-servicemen after the Second World War. They did this when, upon returning to London, they encountered British fascist organisations such as Jeffrey Hamm's British League of Ex-Servicemen and later Oswald Mosley's new fascist party, the Union Movement. The activities of these fasc...
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true, but it might go over american's heads given 43 WAS a british jewish anti-fash group
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DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 2:12 PM
Thatโ€™s very true.
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It would be a firearms military surplus store but it would actively be an anti fascist movement museum as well
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/21/2023 2:20 PM
"Blair Mountain Blasting Company"
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"Blair Mountain Blasting Company"
DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 2:23 PM
That would be fucking sick
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That would be fucking sick
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/21/2023 2:27 PM
I will expect my royalties by next week. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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I worked at a few gun stores and gunsmithed at others that gave me attitude. But I have a good feeling about this. I have enough credentials (gunsmithing license, Glock armorer) to make it real
Soupchucker [HOU, TX] 4/21/2023 2:46 PM
Do you have any opinions on SDI? Maybe as far as experience working with anyone who got their gunsmithing cert/assoc there?
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Soupchucker [HOU, TX]
Do you have any opinions on SDI? Maybe as far as experience working with anyone who got their gunsmithing cert/assoc there?
DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 4:00 PM
SDI is all online. I recommend Colorado school of trades. You csnnnot learn this trade without absolute hands on training which CST gives you
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/21/2023 4:12 PM
guns are so cool tbh
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SDI is all online. I recommend Colorado school of trades. You csnnnot learn this trade without absolute hands on training which CST gives you
Soupchucker [HOU, TX] 4/21/2023 4:17 PM
Sweet okay, yeah that tracks, I prefer in-person learning anyway, still in Texas but if I end up moving to CO Iโ€™ll definitely check them out
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DumpyTheFrog
Me and my buddy from the Military are thinking of using our VA business loans to open an LGBTQ+ friendly gun store in Denver area thoughts?
What VA Business loans?
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What VA Business loans?
DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 5:51 PM
If youโ€™re a veteran you have various benefits like home and school and business loans available
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
guns are so cool tbh
DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 5:52 PM
They are the source of my whole income. Love those things
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If youโ€™re a veteran you have various benefits like home and school and business loans available
I can't find business loans for vets that don't require two years of profit for an existing business.
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DumpyTheFrog
If youโ€™re a veteran you have various benefits like home and school and business loans available
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/21/2023 8:45 PM
Isn't the business loan a 10k small business loan?
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Isn't the business loan a 10k small business loan?
DumpyTheFrog 4/21/2023 9:03 PM
Something like that
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I need to know something Google able because nothing with veteran and loan and small business comes up that allows for starting a new business.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/21/2023 9:12 PM
I have a recommendation for this Lefty GunStore: Sponsor some episodes of InRange TV, and get Karl to give you a shout out
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tacticool is also a valid guntube (being trans gun owner and very anti-gop)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/21/2023 9:16 PM
Thanks for the heads up, Iโ€™ll check them out
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I need to know something Google able because nothing with veteran and loan and small business comes up that allows for starting a new business.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/21/2023 10:44 PM
Apply for and manage the VA benefits and services youโ€™ve earned as a Veteran, Servicemember, or family memberโ€”like health care, disability, education, and more.
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We plan on calling it John Brown armory
Pottawatomie Rifle Co.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/22/2023 9:02 AM
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trolling
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/22/2023 9:03 AM
Lol
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still, getting that shotgun in the first place wont be easy
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DumpyTheFrog 4/22/2023 12:12 PM
Looking into getting a Zastava m77 in 8mm Mauser. What do yโ€™all think?
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DumpyTheFrog
Me and my buddy from the Military are thinking of using our VA business loans to open an LGBTQ+ friendly gun store in Denver area thoughts?
Iโ€™d be a customer! You in the Colorado sub yet? Weโ€™ve been tryin to figure out if we have enough folks for a meet up yet
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Iโ€™d be a customer! You in the Colorado sub yet? Weโ€™ve been tryin to figure out if we have enough folks for a meet up yet
DumpyTheFrog 4/22/2023 12:41 PM
Iโ€™m not in the CO sub!!
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DumpyTheFrog 4/22/2023 1:57 PM
Unfathomly based
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/22/2023 1:58 PM
amazing
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/22/2023 2:19 PM
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/22/2023 7:00 PM
Remember, if the ATF comes a knocking
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greet them with one of these
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Looking into getting a Zastava m77 in 8mm Mauser. What do yโ€™all think?
Stay away from Turkish surplus ammo!
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/23/2023 6:18 PM
welcome here ! I'm cosdestiny or nallyvtuber Drill shown, firearms, training, Cosplay firearms drill, show
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Think someone posted this already but have it again.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/23/2023 9:46 PM
So I had an idea, and I donโ€™t know if itโ€™s stupid or a good idea
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Bayonets for use durning events
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Like, itโ€™s still intimidating as all hell, and extremely effective at deterring someone from trying to get rough, but it provides and option above a bonk but still less than shooting, and provides a very powerful deterrent without having to take a rifle off safe or even really needing to load it (edited)
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Basically โ€œIโ€™m not going to start shit, but Iโ€™m sure as hell not going to let you eitherโ€ (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 10:25 PM
That sounds amazing but it also sounds hard to defend in court if we ever had to use them (edited)
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โ€ฆeh fuck that yeah it sounds awesome
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/23/2023 10:35 PM
rule of cool motherfucker
10:42 PM
imma pull up to the meetup with a pickelhaube or something
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mauser and bayonete plugged
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 10:46 PM
kek
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/23/2023 10:49 PM
yeah i like the German Empire(Prussia too) drip, sue me
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also its cooler than anything the nazis ever fielded
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/23/2023 10:51 PM
Added a sling.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/23/2023 10:51 PM
lets goooo
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
yeah i like the German Empire(Prussia too) drip, sue me
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 11:28 PM
no me too i adore 19th century drip (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
no me too i adore 19th century drip (edited)
AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/23/2023 11:28 PM
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finally got to sight in the eo n got my sling delivered, plus I know how yโ€™all feel about bullpuppies here ๐Ÿ™ƒโค๏ธ
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finally got to sight in the eo n got my sling delivered, plus I know how yโ€™all feel about bullpuppies here ๐Ÿ™ƒโค๏ธ
Soupchucker [HOU, TX] 4/24/2023 8:25 PM
oh tasty
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/24/2023 8:45 PM
gorgeous
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/25/2023 12:47 AM
What pouches / setup do you guys run in your plate carriers? Tryna figure out what I wanna get for my placard. Currently thinking 2 rifle magazines, 1 pistol mag, 1 radio and 1 TQ
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DumpyTheFrog 4/25/2023 10:30 AM
Folks, PSA AK 101 thoughts?
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If you're getting the daily deal one, it's a good deal.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
What pouches / setup do you guys run in your plate carriers? Tryna figure out what I wanna get for my placard. Currently thinking 2 rifle magazines, 1 pistol mag, 1 radio and 1 TQ
I have 4 ar mag on my vest, pistol, pistol mags, and a 5th ar mag go on my belt.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
What pouches / setup do you guys run in your plate carriers? Tryna figure out what I wanna get for my placard. Currently thinking 2 rifle magazines, 1 pistol mag, 1 radio and 1 TQ
Blahaj Blaster 4/25/2023 12:12 PM
Do you plan on carrying any in your cummerbund?
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Do you plan on carrying any in your cummerbund?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/25/2023 12:13 PM
bro i donโ€™t even know what to carry in the first place ๐Ÿ˜ญ
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
What pouches / setup do you guys run in your plate carriers? Tryna figure out what I wanna get for my placard. Currently thinking 2 rifle magazines, 1 pistol mag, 1 radio and 1 TQ
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/25/2023 12:14 PM
Typical setup is 3 rifle, 1 pistol, an admin and some kind of second line IFAK. I use a dangler for my IFAK.
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My other PC has a swappable insert for my placard and I swap between a 3x7.62 insert and a 4x5.56 insert. Everything else is the same.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/25/2023 12:16 PM
Ah, neat. Thanks!
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Whatโ€™s on your cummerbunds?
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/25/2023 12:17 PM
Side sapi plates.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/25/2023 12:17 PM
Ahh
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/25/2023 12:18 PM
A lot of folks tend to go with the standard 6 +1 line infantry SOP load out and if you remember I find this excessive and limiting for a number of reasons.
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I strongly prefer a "lean and mean" set up because maneuverability = firepower potential and 230 round is A LOT of rounds to pop off an if you're expecting to dump that in an engagement you need to reassess your economy of firepower.
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Again, my opinion but I have some strong experience to base it off of.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/25/2023 12:41 PM
If youโ€™re doing a drag defense and your action plan includes expending over 90 rounds, you should probably reevaluate your plan lmao
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I strongly prefer a "lean and mean" set up because maneuverability = firepower potential and 230 round is A LOT of rounds to pop off an if you're expecting to dump that in an engagement you need to reassess your economy of firepower.
Blahaj Blaster 4/25/2023 12:46 PM
This makes sense imo, why not run a slick pc with just comms and an ifak and your belt line?
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/25/2023 12:54 PM
One could do that. I'm running my kit based on what I've used when I was in the army so my load out is what I've comfortably distilled it to be. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/25/2023 2:48 PM
https://youtu.be/Pg6VCJxYamA Next time someone says "We can always tell.", show them this.
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Because that's a trans woman.
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Or, at the very least, a damn good crossdresser.
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omg the vid with the โ€œplate carrierโ€ bra is peak female video game armor
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DumpyTheFrog 4/25/2023 8:17 PM
Built a Kentucky long rifle as if it was built for the gondorians in lord of the rings. Nitre blued the lock and hammer and rust browned the barrel. Inlet the seal by hand
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/25/2023 8:21 PM
s i c k
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That's awesome
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/26/2023 9:11 AM
Russia is right there, sooo, probably not a bad idea to have everyone armed
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Yeah and I always warn against the think-trap that is โ€œgoodโ€ gun laws equal more โ€œfreedomโ€
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of the countries with similar or better gun laws, the US is by far the most โ€œfreeโ€ whereas other countries in which gun rights arenโ€™t regarded as a metric for freedom are doin wayyyy better in terms of social cohesion, social programs, and corruption
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of the countries with similar or better gun laws, the US is by far the most โ€œfreeโ€ whereas other countries in which gun rights arenโ€™t regarded as a metric for freedom are doin wayyyy better in terms of social cohesion, social programs, and corruption
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/26/2023 4:04 PM
Oh definitely. I posted this after getting in argument with someone who thought a gun ban would, in their own words, reduce that to manageable levels in line with other first world nations and would not hear anything to the contrary even though places like, Czechia, Lithuania and Switzerland have a large proliferation of firearms and relatively low crime rate.
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Dems, on the other hand, want nothing short of a total ban (see Hochul's "I want to go back to muskets" quote) and, like this gentleman, refuse to hear any evidence to the contrary.
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Oh definitely. I posted this after getting in argument with someone who thought a gun ban would, in their own words, reduce that to manageable levels in line with other first world nations and would not hear anything to the contrary even though places like, Czechia, Lithuania and Switzerland have a large proliferation of firearms and relatively low crime rate.
for me the follow up to that is always, ok, so where are they? the guns? do YOU know where they all are? I know at least one guy with a gun, who should go get it from him?
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weโ€™ve been living in an oversaturated market since 1816 ๐Ÿ˜‚
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for me the follow up to that is always, ok, so where are they? the guns? do YOU know where they all are? I know at least one guy with a gun, who should go get it from him?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/26/2023 6:14 PM
My favorite part of that whole argument was when one of the studies they cited outright stated at the start of its conclusion "...we cannot establish causation".
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oh god haha
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Dems, on the other hand, want nothing short of a total ban (see Hochul's "I want to go back to muskets" quote) and, like this gentleman, refuse to hear any evidence to the contrary.
First... fuck Dems and their fucking manipulation using fear. But if any Dem actually thinks a total ban and confiscation is possible, they are more brain dead than GQP'rs who believe that it's what Dems actually push for. It would take more than 100 years to confiscate even 3% of all firearms in the US, if all LEOs were divided into 4 man high risk entry teams and did one every hour, every day without stopping for sleep or food.
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And that assumes none of them would be wounded or killed in the process of entering the most paranoid most violent citizens homes. Nor would it factor in the increased risk of doing so once word got out that this was happening.
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It also assumes every police officer in the US (including Federal law enforcement) would willingly and happily participate in such a thing.
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And while I have no doubt they would gladly massacre entire families of black and brown folks to take away their guns... I have my doubts about them doing the same to their own extended family members.
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First... fuck Dems and their fucking manipulation using fear. But if any Dem actually thinks a total ban and confiscation is possible, they are more brain dead than GQP'rs who believe that it's what Dems actually push for. It would take more than 100 years to confiscate even 3% of all firearms in the US, if all LEOs were divided into 4 man high risk entry teams and did one every hour, every day without stopping for sleep or food.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/27/2023 2:31 AM
Believe me, it is exactly what they want and the WA AWB is proof of that. Washington had put in solid gun safety laws and had gun crime at a relative low for the US. Heck, the last mass shooting there with an AR was at a military base in the 1990's and rifles (not ARs, rifles) were used in a whopping 6 crimes the previous year. And they STILL went through with it.
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Believe me, it is exactly what they want and the WA AWB is proof of that. Washington had put in solid gun safety laws and had gun crime at a relative low for the US. Heck, the last mass shooting there with an AR was at a military base in the 1990's and rifles (not ARs, rifles) were used in a whopping 6 crimes the previous year. And they STILL went through with it.
Tell me about the WA AWB? I'm not familiar with the details. I just assumed it was as much a joke "ban" as the old Federal one was.
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Tell me about the WA AWB? I'm not familiar with the details. I just assumed it was as much a joke "ban" as the old Federal one was.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/27/2023 2:34 AM
Long story short, It goes so far that even a .22 caliber pistol is considered an "assault weapon".
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Most if not all CA-compliant versions of ARs are also banned.
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Even the SKS is banned by name.
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It is draconian even by dem standards.
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The general consensus is that it is deliberately draconian in order to get it struck down by the courts so dems can pull their usual "Oh well, we tried but those dirty republicans wouldn't let us. Don't worry, we'll totally do something next election though!" routine.
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Ironically it doesn't name my gun. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Ironically it doesn't name my gun. ๐Ÿ˜‰
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/27/2023 2:38 AM
That's banned too.
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It's ostensibly a semi-auto rifle ban.
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That's banned too.
I'm reading it now.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/27/2023 2:41 AM
They also banned the "Barret M87", a gun which doesn't fucking exist.
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And the FAMAS, a gun which hasn't even been imported to the US for years iirc.
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At no point does it address someone moving into the state from out of state with one of these weapons. Nor does it address purchasing those weapons out of state and bringing them in for personal use. If you use one of the weapons in one of the listed crimes, it becomes an even worse sentence. If you bring one in state to sell it, it is a crime. If you manufacture a new one in state it is a crime. But no one needs to turn their weapon in. It makes no provision to ensure registration of the weapon (that wouldn't already exist in law for all firearms). All in all, it's a slightly more broad list, but still totally ineffectual.
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New York has a worse law regarding SA Rifles... I couldn't even move into state while owning mine.
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On the pistol side of things, it really only fucks small caliber SA pistols. Any 10mm or larger SA already come with sub 11 round mags as the factory mags are all single stack. So unless you want a threaded barrel, just opt for larger caliber. On SA shotguns... you still get more or less every SA shotgun on the market so long as it doesn't have a folding stock, pistol grip, forward grip, or more than 7 round tube. Again, on both, it doesn't require turning in any of these "banned" weapons, nor prohibiting moving to the state with one, nor purchasing one from outside the state.
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So yeah, I probably couldn't buy a MAK-90 in Washington. But no one can take it from me if they see me with it at a range.
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All in all @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy, this has no real teeth except to FFL dealers who can no longer sell them in state. But all the gun dealers in Idaho and Oregon are super psyched about it I'm sure.
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All in all @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy, this has no real teeth except to FFL dealers who can no longer sell them in state. But all the gun dealers in Idaho and Oregon are super psyched about it I'm sure.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/27/2023 3:10 AM
Again, probably intentional so the dems can pull their usual schtick.
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Again, probably intentional so the dems can pull their usual schtick.
"We're doing this to protect you! See the Republicans want your children to die to gun violence!!!" Meanwhile it has literally no effect on gun violence at all.
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And really only makes it take 3 more hours for someone to buy a rifle or shotgun when they want it. It does significantly limit access to smaller caliber handguns however, since you cannot buy those out of state due to federal law.
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Would increase cost to practice a bit depending on how you practiced... but okay so only load one round in each mag and do a fire/reload/fire/reload/fire/reload/fire as your main go to drill.
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I personally am armed because most violence towards people like me is from right wing people.
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joe hillโ€™s revenge 4/27/2023 12:18 PM
Public Meeting Date: Sunday 4/30 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: TBA
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At no point does it address someone moving into the state from out of state with one of these weapons. Nor does it address purchasing those weapons out of state and bringing them in for personal use. If you use one of the weapons in one of the listed crimes, it becomes an even worse sentence. If you bring one in state to sell it, it is a crime. If you manufacture a new one in state it is a crime. But no one needs to turn their weapon in. It makes no provision to ensure registration of the weapon (that wouldn't already exist in law for all firearms). All in all, it's a slightly more broad list, but still totally ineffectual.
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/27/2023 1:57 PM
It does address that because the state AWB prohibits all import unless you're LEO or DOD.
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It does address that because the state AWB prohibits all import unless you're LEO or DOD.
Importation is explicitly transporting goods from one place to another for the purpose of selling them.
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Transportation is what you do with personal items.
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To prohibit transport of these weapons across state lines the law would have to be written "Weapons covered under this ban may not be transported across state lines for any purpose."
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/27/2023 2:34 PM
Feel free to argue that point in the courts, my dude. I'm pretty sure a state that's already passed a magcap ban that also prohibits bringing standard cap magazines into the state has the legal resources to write the same legalese for those wanting to move to their state while owning guns on the no-no list.
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Feel free to argue that point in the courts, my dude. I'm pretty sure a state that's already passed a magcap ban that also prohibits bringing standard cap magazines into the state has the legal resources to write the same legalese for those wanting to move to their state while owning guns on the no-no list.
Don't my dude me. You don't know me or own me. There are legal definitions for words. That's why the law as written spends 90% of it's time defining words. If they wanted to change the definition, they had the document right there to do it. They did not.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/27/2023 4:30 PM
Uh huh.
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AvoidOblivion 4/27/2023 5:05 PM
Accurate.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/28/2023 9:08 PM
meowrollingeyes
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when will these dumbasses learn that firearm regulation and especially firearm accessory regulation is DEAD thanks to 3D printing
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
when will these dumbasses learn that firearm regulation and especially firearm accessory regulation is DEAD thanks to 3D printing
Don't tell them what those are. They'll get ideas! (I mean they already have)
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
when will these dumbasses learn that firearm regulation and especially firearm accessory regulation is DEAD thanks to 3D printing
especially when all the โ€œadvancedโ€ European countries with the strict gun laws dems love all consider suppressors vital safety equipment
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
when will these dumbasses learn that firearm regulation and especially firearm accessory regulation is DEAD thanks to 3D printing
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/28/2023 9:48 PM
I'm very tempted to suggest an "assault democrat ban" bill preventing then from saying "high-capacity lies" just to make a point that I can throw words in front of things to make them sound intimidating.
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I'm very tempted to suggest an "assault democrat ban" bill preventing then from saying "high-capacity lies" just to make a point that I can throw words in front of things to make them sound intimidating.
Careful, don't want to go antagonizing democrats, they might be allies or something. /s
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Careful, don't want to go antagonizing democrats, they might be allies or something. /s
I'll think that when I see it, somewhat /s somewhat not/s. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/29/2023 4:41 AM
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (NEXSTAR) โ€” A federal judge for the Southern District of Illinois issued an injunction Friday afternoon, ruling the assault weapons ban as unenforceable. Judge Steven McGlynโ€ฆ
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/29/2023 1:58 PM
Thoughts on AK builds?
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DumpyTheFrog 4/29/2023 2:08 PM
Got that m76 yesterday
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/29/2023 3:42 PM
Thatโ€™s what Iโ€™m thinking
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What in a not cartridge that is affordable and preforms better
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/29/2023 3:46 PM
How expensive are G3's
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i just love them so much
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/29/2023 4:00 PM
I might try to find one or a PTR91
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Pricey
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About twice what I can afford
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Maybe Iโ€™ll check a local store instead; gunbroker and all the online stores are fucking terrible price wise
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โ€œi KnOw WhAt i GoT!โ€
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/30/2023 11:00 AM
Would a flintlock carbine be suitable for home defence?
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oh who am I kidding, of course it is
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
Would a flintlock carbine be suitable for home defence?
Matchlock and Flintlock are fine, but cap and ball are military assault rifles.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/30/2023 11:07 AM
lmao
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they do pack a punch
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all of them
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i just love them so much
PTRs a cheap compared to most other 308 rifles. Mags are like cheap as well.
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Ammo will bleed you dry however. Shits more than a dollar per round
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Also, guys bad news PSA just opened a store about 20 minutes from my house
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I may go bankrupt buying shit.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/30/2023 11:28 AM
Fuck
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you still have two kidneys??
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and two lungs??
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
I might try to find one or a PTR91
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/30/2023 11:58 AM
Ptr91 - 110s have been popping up for just under or around $1k USD for the last few months. Which is the cheapest I've seen them. It's been tempting especially since I've been sitting on a stock of 2k 308 rounds I bought way back when.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/30/2023 11:59 AM
Still too much for me
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Thoughts on AK builds?
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/30/2023 11:59 AM
If you really want an AK then buy one but word of caution the price on x39 shot up about 30¢ in the last two months and isn't showing signs of stopping.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Still too much for me
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/30/2023 12:00 PM
You'd pay that much for a decent AR so I'd say stock your cash and go with some kind of quality rifle over a budget buy that you'll have to upgrade over time.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/30/2023 12:00 PM
True
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Iโ€™m thinking of just buying one the Johnny Cash way
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And building it
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One Piece at A Time
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Raps [PDX,OR] 4/30/2023 12:01 PM
That's totally doable as well.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/30/2023 12:04 PM
Definitely wanting to build something in some flavor of 7.62
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To have more hand loading options
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Wanna stick a 220 grain bullet into a 7.62x39 case for Shits and Giggles
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Subsonic Sledgehammer
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Wanna stick a 220 grain bullet into a 7.62x39 case for Shits and Giggles
AIF Cuirassier regiment 4/30/2023 12:37 PM
just get an old gatling gun trolling.jpeg
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Wanna stick a 220 grain bullet into a 7.62x39 case for Shits and Giggles
Raps [PDX,OR] 4/30/2023 2:42 PM
Do you already reload?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
One Piece at A Time
AvoidOblivion 4/30/2023 2:56 PM
I think itโ€™s going to cost you more than a dime.
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Do you already reload?
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/30/2023 3:15 PM
Not currently, but used to do so with my dad
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I wanna know ALL the data. 2.5 million~ per year huh?
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Raps [PDX,OR]
Ptr91 - 110s have been popping up for just under or around $1k USD for the last few months. Which is the cheapest I've seen them. It's been tempting especially since I've been sitting on a stock of 2k 308 rounds I bought way back when.
Lucky Devil Tactical 5/2/2023 9:56 PM
Used to have a PTR-91, can confirm, they are awesome
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/3/2023 12:58 PM
Nearly 110 ATF employees who worked in non-law enforcement positions received pay that only law enforcement posts were entitled to, a report said.
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...I mean....the ATF is hot garbage at times but to be fair, I think all employees deserve decent benefits
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/3/2023 3:25 PM
Yeah, they do deserve to make a livable wage and have things covered
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Yeah, they do deserve to make a livable wage and have things covered
AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/3/2023 4:09 PM
it should be the bare minimum for every job in this world
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/3/2023 4:40 PM
Absolutely
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Lucky Devil Tactical
Used to have a PTR-91, can confirm, they are awesome
DumpyTheFrog 5/3/2023 7:47 PM
Agreed. If you have the funds. Iโ€™d invest in spurh furniture. I have it on mine itโ€™s great
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Picked up this Girsan Regard MC a little while ago. I wanted the two-tone originally, but this FDE has grown on me.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/3/2023 11:10 PM
Should've grabbed this.
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.... is that a 5 barreled shotgun??
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You know, like nyah
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/3/2023 11:46 PM
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I mean...is that a bad thing?
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I mean...is that a bad thing?
It's a great thing ๐Ÿคฃ
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Aces high
I mean...is that a bad thing?
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/4/2023 2:45 AM
No
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@cowboy_larper Honestly I donโ€™t even want to buy tactical gear anymore, these guys made it too gay
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Apparently PSR made tactical gear too gay
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/4/2023 10:22 AM
The Tacti-chud to Fud pipeline
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/4/2023 2:36 PM
Not super firearms related, but I never thought Iโ€™d encounter the โ€œI know what I gotโ€ line outside of boomers trying to sell guns
2:36 PM
A lady at the local thrift market was selling used linen curtains for 25 dollars, and when I asked if she could do 15, she hit me with that line
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Apparently PSR made tactical gear too gay
good
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Weaponize the gay
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Aces high
good
"Oh no, having plates makes me look fat. Ain't doin that shit." ๐Ÿ˜„
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also not related but for some reason this is the only single channel that shows up for me rn, did they update or something?
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also not related but for some reason this is the only single channel that shows up for me rn, did they update or something?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/4/2023 7:56 PM
do you have the categories collapsed?
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like this
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/4/2023 8:40 PM
why is your discord blue
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Nah thatโ€™s the weird thing, not even any other headings
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Away with thee, to the armory
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/4/2023 10:50 PM
he is the quartermaster now
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(he has been enslaved)
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Aces high
Away with thee, to the armory
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/4/2023 11:06 PM
He's gonna be like the Boomers from New Vegas.
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oh god
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/4/2023 11:37 PM
Deeply racist and doomed to fail once the NCR gets its shit together and actually goes after him
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Deeply racist and doomed to fail once the NCR gets its shit together and actually goes after him
Fuckin' Boomers.
10:48 AM
NCR = GenX/Millennial/Zenial coalition.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/5/2023 11:22 AM
NCR has its problems sure, but i gotta admit, i like their shit
11:22 AM
really reminds me of the early united states expansionism
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Lucky Devil Tactical 5/5/2023 11:40 AM
Aaaannnnnd my optic milling guy just called me this morning to say he doesnโ€™t think my slide is even going to function after having been milled for an optic. Cool. Cool cool cool cool.
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Soupchucker [HOU, TX] 5/5/2023 11:41 AM
Holy shit
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/5/2023 11:50 AM
Oh fuuuuck
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Aaaannnnnd my optic milling guy just called me this morning to say he doesnโ€™t think my slide is even going to function after having been milled for an optic. Cool. Cool cool cool cool.
Why's that?
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Why's that?
Lucky Devil Tactical 5/5/2023 12:22 PM
He milled down to the level of the rear dovetail and cut into the cavity of all the slide internals.
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Oof. A bit too far.
12:23 PM
Damn.
12:24 PM
Well, since you're getting a new slide anyway, can you get one that already comes with an optic cut?
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Seems like every other pistol has an optic cut nowadays.
12:25 PM
I considered trying it on mine, but it feels excessive for a compact carry pistol.
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so good news, I think I'll be able to get my shotgun this summer
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so good news, I think I'll be able to get my shotgun this summer
What are you picking up?
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Mossberg is the plan
12:28 PM
handguns are still too pricy but shotguns seem to be in decent price ranges
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Fair enough.
12:29 PM
I really should work on getting myself a rifle like I'd wanted to get.
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I want to get a KE Arms Community Defense Rifle.
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But with a cartridge trigger, and the PDQ lever.
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I want to get a KE Arms Community Defense Rifle.
AvoidOblivion 5/5/2023 1:28 PM
Just learned of this rifle. It looks great. It may be what I go for when I get a rifle.
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He milled down to the level of the rear dovetail and cut into the cavity of all the slide internals.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/5/2023 1:31 PM
Skill issue
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/5/2023 1:31 PM
I've considered getting a scout rifle once I get a little more money.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/5/2023 1:31 PM
@Lucky Devil Tactical Iโ€™m sorry if that crossed a line
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Eh, feels like a dumb idea Ngl; the concept feels like some early tacti-chud nonsense that sounds cool on paper, but is ridiculous in practice
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I've considered getting a scout rifle once I get a little more money.
AvoidOblivion 5/5/2023 1:33 PM
I have thought about those, too. Theyโ€™re beautiful.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/5/2023 1:34 PM
Want some protection while hiking and don't want people to recognize my Maverick 88 if I have to use it.
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Want some protection while hiking and don't want people to recognize my Maverick 88 if I have to use it.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/5/2023 1:34 PM
That makes more sense
1:35 PM
It would be pretty good for that
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Eh, feels like a dumb idea Ngl; the concept feels like some early tacti-chud nonsense that sounds cool on paper, but is ridiculous in practice
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/5/2023 1:36 PM
With the advent of ARs, it kind of is. However, I live in CA where ARs are either banned or abominations.
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So this is my next best option.
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Just learned of this rifle. It looks great. It may be what I go for when I get a rifle.
The company that makes it has decent ethics too as far as the firearms industry goes. Heavily into 2A for all.
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AvoidOblivion 5/5/2023 1:46 PM
I noticed some โ€œWhat Would Stonder Doโ€ pieces on there. Theyโ€™ve also been shouted-out on InRange.
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Yep. KE Arms manufactures several of the parts in it, including the unique all in one lower.
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Well, since you're getting a new slide anyway, can you get one that already comes with an optic cut?
Lucky Devil Tactical 5/5/2023 4:55 PM
No, itโ€™s a hammer fired subcompact, doesnโ€™t have an OR option
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Ah. That's frustrating.
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handguns are still too pricy but shotguns seem to be in decent price ranges
Raps [PDX,OR] 5/5/2023 9:46 PM
PSA dagger is a $300 gen 3 Glock 17/19.
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PSA dagger is a $300 gen 3 Glock 17/19.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/5/2023 9:49 PM
Wish I'd known that before buying my $800 Glock.
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Didn't help that I later found out the store I bought it from is infamous for overcharging their customers.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/5/2023 9:54 PM
Yeeeeeah. That's about 1.5 Glocks.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/5/2023 10:20 PM
Moral of this Story: Don't buy from OC Guns and Pawn
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handguns are still too pricy but shotguns seem to be in decent price ranges
In what I anticipate is coming, if I had to pick one weapon... it'd be a 12g. There's gonna be a lot of times where throwing a whole bunch of balls down range is gonna be a lot more effective than anything single shot.
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/5/2023 10:50 PM
Ah yes, the 12g. Truly the king of guerilla warfare. (edited)
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PSA dagger is a $300 gen 3 Glock 17/19.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/6/2023 3:28 AM
Shit, Iโ€™ve been looking to get my own handgun for a while, I think this is pretty much exactly what Iโ€™m looking for. Is it reliable, and are the magazines easily available
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/6/2023 9:04 AM
The patent on gen 3 Glocks ran out so PSA daggers are basically that. It takes Glock slides and Glock mags.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/6/2023 9:32 AM
Oh shit, ok, so itโ€™s pretty damn good then
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/6/2023 10:03 AM
Good is a perspective. But the PSA dagger is getting decent reviews and is priced at what I believe a Glock should be priced at.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/6/2023 1:05 PM
Well, Iโ€™ll probably pick one up then
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/6/2023 1:09 PM
Do your research but for a person that fell out of love with Glocks business practices I don't mind recommending these to people.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/6/2023 1:26 PM
but what other company can you buy both guns and horse semen from??
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/6/2023 1:48 PM
You can buy horse cum from Glock?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/6/2023 1:49 PM
what
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Raps [PDX,OR]
You can buy horse cum from Glock?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/6/2023 2:48 PM
yep
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/6/2023 2:49 PM
TIL
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WHY
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LOLWUT
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/6/2023 4:40 PM
ddammit
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i dont have money for that
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To reenact the Russian Roulette scene from the American Pie spinoff film?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/7/2023 12:35 AM
Either way, Glock really does want you to "shoot your shot".
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To reenact the Russian Roulette scene from the American Pie spinoff film?
AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/7/2023 12:39 AM
they made a movie with the name of the song?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
they made a movie with the name of the song?
James. You need to spend more time watching movies.
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Or maybe you are still spending summers at band camp... I don't know.
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James. You need to spend more time watching movies.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/7/2023 12:42 AM
i stopped watching movies when the pandemic hit honestly
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spent too much time playing games yknow
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
i stopped watching movies when the pandemic hit honestly
All those films predate the pandemic.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
spent too much time playing games yknow
That's fair... but all games and no films makes James a dull boy. Or something.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/7/2023 12:43 AM
i used to watch either animated movies or war movies
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specifically world war 2 movies
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i didn't go out of that zone a lot
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also indiana jones
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fucking love that franchise
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and pirates of the caribean
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also loved that franchise
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Check out American Pie. It's worth watching once.
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If you like it, follow it with the 3 sequels. If you want to see the same kind of humor only more absurd, check out the spinoffs.
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You might find some of it relatable.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/7/2023 11:35 PM
"Assault weapons...are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weaponsโ€”anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gunโ€”can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."
  • Josh Sugarmann after his advocacy group, The National Coalition to Ban Handguns, failed to do just that in the 1980's.
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Point being AWBs are half-measures playing on the public's ignorance in order to eventually get one foot in the door for a total ban. (edited)
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Point being AWBs are half-measures playing on the public's ignorance in order to eventually get one foot in the door for a total ban. (edited)
The vast majority of murders are done with handguns anyway, which we barely regulate, only a little bit more than rifles.
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The vast majority of murders are done with handguns anyway, which we barely regulate, only a little bit more than rifles.
Well, a very big loophole is allowing non-state residents to purchase long guns. Which you cannot do with handguns. So that little bit more regulation does make some difference in accessibility.
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Not to endorse or oppose it... just that it does impact purchasing quite a bit. Like I cannot purchase a handgun from a store in Colorado simply because I haven't jumped through the hoops to transfer my CDL to Colorado. (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/8/2023 7:34 PM
Anyone have experience with a PSA AR10 lowers? I was looking at getting a dagger, and saw that they offer package discounts, and Iโ€™ve thought of getting a stripped lower from them as well for a package when I get around to it
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Anyone have experience with a PSA AR10 lowers? I was looking at getting a dagger, and saw that they offer package discounts, and Iโ€™ve thought of getting a stripped lower from them as well for a package when I get around to it
I've not heard of any horror stories about PSA recently. So off to guntube you shall go.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/9/2023 10:38 AM
Sounds good
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/9/2023 10:52 AM
From the looks of it, itโ€™s reliable and accurate, but all together the parts like stock, Handguard and flash hider are a little cheap, if functional, which is fine because I want my own of those anyway (edited)
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From the looks of it, itโ€™s reliable and accurate, but all together the parts like stock, Handguard and flash hider are a little cheap, if functional, which is fine because I want my own of those anyway (edited)
Well then, sounds like a match has been made.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/9/2023 11:06 AM
Iโ€™m gonna put wood furniture and a big old compensator; because I like wood and also have a small dick
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/9/2023 11:11 AM
KEK
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Shit, the nearest rifle range near me is closing on weekends
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Saves me 200 bucks but damn
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/9/2023 9:32 PM
Vermont on Monday made it a crime to own or operate paramilitary training camps in the state after Republican Gov. Phil Scott signed legislation introduced in response to a firearms training facility built without permits that neighbors called a menace.
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Tbh in theory this should be a step in the right direction but the problem is I feel they'll find a excuse to keep them running anyway
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And use it as a way to oppress people. Don't forget that imporant part.
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so leftist skeet shooting club
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And use it as a way to oppress people. Don't forget that imporant part.
They'll use this to ignore right wing militias but harass JBGCs and SRA chapters.
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Exactly my point. Yeah.
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LouisiAnarchist 5/10/2023 11:55 AM
I mean that's the way to look at it soberly, but there is a flimsy bit of chance it's actually used to prosecute RW militias. I know at least some conservatives that have total distaste for reactionaries in a way they don't even have for leftists because violence is bad.
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Unfortunately I think it comes down to who is going to be enforcing it. And I have zero trust in cops to not be biased.
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They'll use this to ignore right wing militias but harass JBGCs and SRA chapters.
hence my idea: a skeet shooting club
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the fact incidentally skeet shooting allows practice for moving targets is just part of the sport
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I mean that's the way to look at it soberly, but there is a flimsy bit of chance it's actually used to prosecute RW militias. I know at least some conservatives that have total distaste for reactionaries in a way they don't even have for leftists because violence is bad.
Hoping for the best tbh but not much confidence in it
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the thing is
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this is Vermont
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its a gun heavy state (edited)
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even if this was targetted at John Browners, it be hard to long term prove it
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/10/2023 3:35 PM
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they can't take away my puckle gun
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Technically it's not a machine gun as per the ATF, same with Gatling guns. You have to work the mechanism the whole time it's firing.
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It does however fire a caliber larger than .50, and isn't a muzzle loaded black powder firearm, so it probably would get classed as a destructive device.
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Technically it's not a machine gun as per the ATF, same with Gatling guns. You have to work the mechanism the whole time it's firing.
However even more technically... It is a complex machine mechanism firearm. Therefore, it is a machine gun. (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/10/2023 3:58 PM
However even more technicallyโ€ฆ It sucked ass so hard it saw basically no use, and less than 20 were made because it was such dogshit
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And arguably set breach-loading technology back 25 years
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AvoidOblivion 5/10/2023 5:00 PM
Why.
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However even more technically... It is a complex machine mechanism firearm. Therefore, it is a machine gun. (edited)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/10/2023 5:02 PM
"It was one of the earliest weapons to be referred to as a "machine gun", being called such in a 1722 shipping manifest,[2] though its operation does not match the modern use of the term."
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SemiReliable 5/10/2023 5:50 PM
Iraqi reload, FAL edition
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They'll use this to ignore right wing militias but harass JBGCs and SRA chapters.
Blahaj Blaster 5/11/2023 6:04 AM
Airsoft force on force training may be a viable alternative, when I was part of a local training group in the 2000s we had a sort of kill house set up on our range just with plywood to help do different real life scenarios. I feel that can help provide potentially better training than a flat range anyways
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/11/2023 9:54 AM
Even though itโ€™d be a pain to clean, Iโ€™d recommend paintball because with magazine fed guns you can more realistically mimic magazine capacities and youโ€™d have more fear of getting hit
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When I played airsoft I didnโ€™t know I was hit until I heard it
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Barely even felt it
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Airsoft force on force training may be a viable alternative, when I was part of a local training group in the 2000s we had a sort of kill house set up on our range just with plywood to help do different real life scenarios. I feel that can help provide potentially better training than a flat range anyways
Problem with airsoft is the hyper deflated range engagements take place at. Good place to practice teamwork/ how to move in your kit however.
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Problem with airsoft is the hyper deflated range engagements take place at. Good place to practice teamwork/ how to move in your kit however.
Blahaj Blaster 5/11/2023 1:55 PM
Yes but for indoor scenarios the point is moot, and for force on force training the only better option right now is simunition which is cost prohibitive. I know nothing about airsoft outdoors as I only ever used it as a training tool but I can imagine it may be good for learning teamwork
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Even though itโ€™d be a pain to clean, Iโ€™d recommend paintball because with magazine fed guns you can more realistically mimic magazine capacities and youโ€™d have more fear of getting hit
Blahaj Blaster 5/11/2023 2:01 PM
I'm talking more in the realm of the handguns and within 10 yards I know that the handguns can be powerful as I have some scars on one of my arms that are over 10 years old now that I can still see from that force on force training. I suspect they came from a co2 pistol instead of one of the propane ones though. (edited)
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I'm talking more in the realm of the handguns and within 10 yards I know that the handguns can be powerful as I have some scars on one of my arms that are over 10 years old now that I can still see from that force on force training. I suspect they came from a co2 pistol instead of one of the propane ones though. (edited)
Fair enough
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/13/2023 11:33 PM
What optic is that?
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What optic is that?
Sig Romeo MSR
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/14/2023 1:10 AM
Dropped your rifle in the laundry basket. /s
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/15/2023 2:48 AM
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Right...
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slaps head
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/15/2023 2:57 AM
I swear, whenever popular outlets cover guns, they make FOX look like Albert Einstein.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/15/2023 6:59 AM
American news outlet are giving American World War 2 tankers a godDAMN run for their money with how bad they are at identifying things(Both by choise and by mistake)
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I swear, whenever popular outlets cover guns, they make FOX look like Albert Einstein.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/15/2023 12:18 PM
Fox does a pretty piss poor job at guns too
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/15/2023 1:01 PM
I think Iโ€™m gonna go for an AR15 instead of a 10. Cost is really the main thing, but also accessories is going to be a major plus. Iโ€™ll probably just settle for a bolt action .308 for hunting
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Iโ€™d rather have a rifle I can use for both community defense and hunting with, but frankly, I donโ€™t do much hunting anymore, so Iโ€™ll just practice combat drills
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/15/2023 1:33 PM
Iโ€™m thinking my build will be inspired by the Service rifle from FNV, but with an optic, and some other tweaks
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I think Iโ€™m gonna go for an AR15 instead of a 10. Cost is really the main thing, but also accessories is going to be a major plus. Iโ€™ll probably just settle for a bolt action .308 for hunting
From what I understand 7.62 AR platforms aren't quite as interchangeable for parts, even amongst each other.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/15/2023 3:16 PM
Yeah, thatโ€™s was another concern
3:17 PM
Also, go to hell disgusting Wisconsinite! (;Þ)
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AK vs. AR: Round 1 - Fight! :*3 (edited)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/15/2023 3:50 PM
i like em both
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/15/2023 3:52 PM
weeps in Californian
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Also, go to hell disgusting Wisconsinite! (;Þ)
You forget our real enemy, Illinois.
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Fucken' FIBS.
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You forget our real enemy, Illinois.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/15/2023 4:58 PM
Ohio, but when you idiots say you look like a mitten, weโ€™ll fucking deck you
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Ohio, but when you idiots say you look like a mitten, weโ€™ll fucking deck you
Hey, i got no beef with Michigan.
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I can agree on Ohio though.
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I can agree on Ohio though.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/15/2023 5:03 PM
Fuck Ohio
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I was about to explain my alt-future novel, but realized that was dumb
5:08 PM
Cause it rags on Ohio as a fascist theocracy
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/15/2023 8:08 PM
So thoughts on stocks; is a fixed stock worth it, or is a collapsing stock better? Iโ€™m going for a 20 inch barrel with a 4x optic, and Iโ€™m wondering if the bulk of a fixed stock is really going to affect accuracy enough to be worth the trade, or if a collapsing stock is a better pick
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I could alway buy both and and just swap between them as depending on which I end up preferring ultimately
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Iโ€™ll probably just do that, but if you guys think one way or the other is a better choice, let me know
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Fuck Ohio
AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/15/2023 8:38 PM
cool flag tho
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So thoughts on stocks; is a fixed stock worth it, or is a collapsing stock better? Iโ€™m going for a 20 inch barrel with a 4x optic, and Iโ€™m wondering if the bulk of a fixed stock is really going to affect accuracy enough to be worth the trade, or if a collapsing stock is a better pick
Raps [PDX,OR] 5/16/2023 1:56 PM
This is all stuff you're going to have to try out and decide on your own. I'd suggest starting with an adjustable stock and then trying out other options. There is a pretty good second hand market so sometimes you can find items for cheaper than retail with minimal use.
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DumpyTheFrog 5/16/2023 2:25 PM
Actually won on gun bros. Got this bad boy for 70 bucks. (M&P 5.7)
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Actually won on gun bros. Got this bad boy for 70 bucks. (M&P 5.7)
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/16/2023 2:50 PM
The ammo price, yikes! Cool gun tho, glad you won (edited)
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AK vs. AR: Round 1 - Fight! :*3 (edited)
Blahaj Blaster 5/16/2023 9:12 PM
Racks wasr 10 Says just buy an ar
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/18/2023 4:26 PM
The shoulder breaker
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/18/2023 4:29 PM
Now dual wield it.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/18/2023 8:13 PM
this is what we kill nazis with at rallies now
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AvoidOblivion 5/19/2023 7:42 AM
Isnโ€™t he friends with DemoRanch, whoโ€™s friends with Donut Operator, Garand Thumb, and other far-Right guntubers?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/19/2023 8:04 AM
Idk
8:04 AM
found rhe clip on a discord
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Isnโ€™t he friends with DemoRanch, whoโ€™s friends with Donut Operator, Garand Thumb, and other far-Right guntubers?
DumpyTheFrog 5/19/2023 8:51 AM
Unfortunately most guntubers are right leaning dorks
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/19/2023 11:06 AM
not surprised really
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considering the very vocal part of the left openly hates guns for misguided reasons
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or them just being contrarians for the sake of it
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There's a few cool guntubers that are specifically lefty, or just don't talk about politics and it's also not apparent with dogwhisles. But me personally: If someone knows their shit I'll watch their videos for the info and be disappointed haha.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/19/2023 12:20 PM
lol
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There's a few cool guntubers that are specifically lefty, or just don't talk about politics and it's also not apparent with dogwhisles. But me personally: If someone knows their shit I'll watch their videos for the info and be disappointed haha.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/19/2023 1:10 PM
I can say from experience Karl from Inrange is based. Heโ€™s a great guy
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Iโ€™m in a discord with him; doesnโ€™t talk a lot; but heโ€™s cool
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There's a few cool guntubers that are specifically lefty, or just don't talk about politics and it's also not apparent with dogwhisles. But me personally: If someone knows their shit I'll watch their videos for the info and be disappointed haha.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/19/2023 1:17 PM
Tacticool Girlfriend, Print Shoot Repeat, and 9 Hole Reviews are also good ones.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/19/2023 1:17 PM
C&Rsenal is pretty apolitical, at least on main
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Idk about their pother stuff
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/22/2023 2:27 PM
https://youtu.be/_4yWAAaB1EM For the love of god, do not do this. (NSFW) (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/kucefQ6sYbo Imma just leave this here.
Oh my god that's the greatest thing I've seen on youtube ever.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/_4yWAAaB1EM For the love of god, do not do this. (NSFW) (edited)
And that's the worst.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/22/2023 6:32 PM
You're welcome, @Spinner?
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You're welcome, @Spinner?
It was certainly an interesting transition from work to weekend for me.
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https://youtu.be/_4yWAAaB1EM For the love of god, do not do this. (NSFW) (edited)
I know green text stories are not exactly the most trustworthy sources, but if I caught wind of personnel acting that unprofessionally on scene, there would beโ€ฆ some words. Believe it or not, the topic of self-insertion of foreign objects into various body cavities does get mentioned in EMS texts. It explicitly states to conduct onesโ€™ self professionally. I do get that sometimes maintaining oneโ€™s bearing in some situations can be difficult, however, folks should still try their best to improve the patientโ€™s experience and outcome. (edited)
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I know green text stories are not exactly the most trustworthy sources, but if I caught wind of personnel acting that unprofessionally on scene, there would beโ€ฆ some words. Believe it or not, the topic of self-insertion of foreign objects into various body cavities does get mentioned in EMS texts. It explicitly states to conduct onesโ€™ self professionally. I do get that sometimes maintaining oneโ€™s bearing in some situations can be difficult, however, folks should still try their best to improve the patientโ€™s experience and outcome. (edited)
Which is why I cringed hard when a nursing school friend I had told me most of her classmates were the Mean Girl type girls from high school.
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I'm certified to the highest possible level for offshore/shipboard medical training, effectively an EMT/Surgical Resident. (Can perform surgery with direction by radio of a surgeon on shore in emergencies.) I can't imagine one of those fucking horrible human beings being a nurse. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/26/2023 1:08 AM
I'm Narcissa Nightshade, an AECA-licensed international broker and โ€ฆ Narcissa Nightshade needs your support for Narcissa's legal fund vs NYSP & ATF criminals
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
Rad. I kinda want one tbh.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/26/2023 4:48 PM
honestly pre-bolt action rifles(and muskets) with magazines are goated
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Is PSA a good retailer? I have my eye on the AK-556. I like the look of AKs and I've wanted one for a while, but 556 is a lot more prevalent than 762
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/27/2023 11:24 AM
Yes and no.
11:25 AM
Do you care about retailer ethics? PSA qc waxes and wanes but their PSAKs seem to be done well.
11:27 AM
However, IME if you want a 556 AK and you intend to attach peripherals such as optics, stocks and WMLs id urge you to look into piston driven ARs since the third party market is more standardized and your ballistics vs platforms are actually better.
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But if your heart is set on getting an AK then get an AK.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/28/2023 5:08 PM
Thinking of getting an SKS. I want to commit horrid crimes against god, and see how far I can drag the thing with as little serious modifications as possible (IE, no barrel modifications, no stock replacement, minimal stock modification, minimal welding or drilling, etc)
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Basically, how viable is an SKS with a low profile optic and an AK mag adapter
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It'd be fun as hell. My .45 ACP one in the Navy was my favorite of all time.
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But at the end of the day it is 500 bucks for something only useful at the range.
12:30 AM
And not exactly useful for learning all the subsidiary skills you'd need with a battle rifle.
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It'd be fun as hell. My .45 ACP one in the Navy was my favorite of all time.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/29/2023 12:31 AM
UMP? Can't seem to find an MP5 model in .45 ACP.
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Sorry you are right, it's been a while.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/29/2023 12:31 AM
Though there is one chambered in .40 S&W.
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Sorry you are right, it's been a while.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 5/29/2023 12:31 AM
All good, old man. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Anyway, I'd get it if I had a 9mm .45 or such as my primary for general use, Then the training would be useful all around except recoil... but that's easier to adapt to than mag release/reload and the slap.
12:33 AM
If you ran a .45 version this would be a 500 dollar training aid. But if you are running a shotty or AR/AK as your main this would just be a fun range toy.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
All good, old man. ๐Ÿ˜‰
Bite me kid. ๐Ÿ˜ญ
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Basically, how viable is an SKS with a low profile optic and an AK mag adapter
Raps [PDX,OR] 5/29/2023 2:01 AM
You really don't need an optic with an SKS because the effective range drops off after 300m
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You really don't need an optic with an SKS because the effective range drops off after 300m
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/29/2023 8:37 AM
I donโ€™t really need to do any of this, but I want to, as part of my crimes
8:38 AM
Itโ€™s not about the money, its about sending a message
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Raps [PDX,OR] 5/29/2023 1:11 PM
I can support this.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/29/2023 11:42 PM
i would recomend this guy have some caution
11:42 PM
he's having fun with vaguely firearm related stuff
11:42 PM
the ATF may kill him
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
he's having fun with vaguely firearm related stuff
Ehh it's semi auto and he's white it's fine, all he needs is a local police charity sticker on his front door/car.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/30/2023 4:35 PM
lol
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/3/2023 9:47 PM
Hello, found this group after I started a process of gearing up given that my wife works for a city committee that is heavily into DEI work and has had some exposure now. Recently purchased a RAK-47 with a foldable stock in 7.62. Arrives this week! I will be getting a Glock 19. And likely a PDW like the KP-9. When I was younger I was quite a shooting enthusiast. Would like to get back into it and get good at shooting both for fun and defense.
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AvoidOblivion 6/3/2023 10:23 PM
Is it just me, or does the KP-9/PP-19 Vityas look like the Russian version of the MP-5?
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/3/2023 10:43 PM
Definitely. I think they are super popular here because they aren't SBRs and are simply "pistols" that can shoot 7.62.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/5/2023 1:40 PM
Anyone have experience with Center Point scopes? I found one at my local thrift store for 8 dollars
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Looks like itโ€™s set up for a pic rail too
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/5/2023 1:56 PM
Question
1:56 PM
are muskets not considered fully as firearms in the states?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Anyone have experience with Center Point scopes? I found one at my local thrift store for 8 dollars
At eight dollars I'd give it a shot, if it's not it's only 8 bucks lost
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
are muskets not considered fully as firearms in the states?
Depends on how old it is, if it's actually a c and r musket then no I guess?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/5/2023 2:02 PM
Cool
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Anyone have experience with Center Point scopes? I found one at my local thrift store for 8 dollars
It's a Crosman airsoft scope. I've tried UTG Pro scopes which is a UTG sub brand that got their start doing airsoft but wanted to offer firearm durable scopes. About 600 rounds in and mine is still good. Worst case is you get a few rounds in and scope loses zero/breaks entirely. But at 8 bucks, It'd be worth doing just to see if you like running a scope or not.
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It's a Crosman airsoft scope. I've tried UTG Pro scopes which is a UTG sub brand that got their start doing airsoft but wanted to offer firearm durable scopes. About 600 rounds in and mine is still good. Worst case is you get a few rounds in and scope loses zero/breaks entirely. But at 8 bucks, It'd be worth doing just to see if you like running a scope or not.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/6/2023 1:25 PM
Yeah, I looked into it, thatโ€™s definitely what it was; Iโ€™m already pretty comfy with scopes, and I donโ€™t current have a gun (havenโ€™t had one for about 3 years now), so It would be of much use anyway
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The price seemed suspect for a scope in good condition, so if figured you guys might know what was up
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/PrhPaTnbj7s God damn it, there goes another one.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/6/2023 1:26 PM
Honestly, TFB hasnโ€™t been good since Alex and James left
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Yeah, I looked into it, thatโ€™s definitely what it was; Iโ€™m already pretty comfy with scopes, and I donโ€™t current have a gun (havenโ€™t had one for about 3 years now), so It would be of much use anyway
Optics are optics, so depending on how powerful it is you can use it as a spotting scope even if it can't handle recoil.
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3D print or carve a handle get a cheap ass 4 inch pic rail and screw it on, then keep it handy. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/PrhPaTnbj7s God damn it, there goes another one.
This is chud porn. Like there is only one reason for this video to exist, and that's to let homophobic gay men have something they can watch without admitting it's absolutely gay.
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This is chud porn. Like there is only one reason for this video to exist, and that's to let homophobic gay men have something they can watch without admitting it's absolutely gay.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/6/2023 2:35 PM
While also hiding their raging racism behind an "interest in history".
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While also hiding their raging racism behind an "interest in history".
I mean how can anyone focus on history with those rippling man muscles.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/6/2023 6:17 PM
https://coloradosun.com/2023/06/05/colorado-gun-ban-sit-in/ I physically cannot roll my eyes any harder.
Here 4 The Kids protesters are sitting outside the Colorado Capitol to demand Gov. Jared Polis sign an executive order banning guns.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/6/2023 6:53 PM
Let me guess
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neolibs
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neolibs
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/6/2023 7:52 PM
Right after he passed five gun control bills too.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/6/2023 8:08 PM
BRUH
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://youtu.be/PrhPaTnbj7s God damn it, there goes another one.
Honestly the opening monologue about Rhodesia, and why people are justifiably wary of people who larp them is pretty good.
9:14 PM
Also the rifle seems bad
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At least without some expensive upgrades to an expensive rifle.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/7/2023 8:59 PM
i love it
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/8/2023 2:09 PM
California's governor outlines a plan fueled by money left over from his recent reelection.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/8/2023 9:18 PM
Love it!
9:18 PM
Not Newsom btw the flag
9:20 PM
Newsom is mostly performative, sadly I don't think it will track. Like republicans needing to understand that pro-life isn't marketable anymore. I think Dems just need to accept the overton window is heavily pro 2A in the US regardless, mostly, of political identity. Just my thoughts. I think the better tactic would be focusing on the "well regulated" part.
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the problem is
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the right is so batshit gun crazy that even trying to well regulated is seen as a method of gun control
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btw, I support Newsom for the most part. Hell, the first three are solid limitations imo.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/9/2023 12:00 AM
Yea. It really is a hard nut to crack. It is a generational one though.
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It always was going to be.
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I totally thought this was gonna be a cyberpunk thing. but forgot people made the stupid version of it. Ugh xD
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/12/2023 12:00 AM
So ended up getting a traditional wood furniture zastava M70. Cheek-weld felt much better on the traditional fixed stock. Both of the foldable stocks really sacrifice a lot for that functionality. Was thinking about putting a zhukov foldable stock on it still though. We'll see.
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I'm being called a liberal for complaining in a group making fun of annoying gun people about transphobia I saw in a women's gun group I used to be in (left because of repeated uncorrected transphobia). Wtf even?
2:16 PM
How does not wanting transphobia in groups I try to participate in make me a liberal?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/12/2023 2:18 PM
Because the gun culture in the US tends to attract some toxic SOBs.
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Also, it's funny because transphobes act like they always know but I was pretty active in there with a profile picture of my actual self.
2:20 PM
They don't know shit.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/12/2023 2:29 PM
They never do.
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(This is crossplay btw.) (edited)
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(Not entirely sure if they're actually trans or just a case like F1nnster.)
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Friend of mine jokingly said one of the funniest things "The Smith and Wesson School of Love and Tolerance"
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He was joking about me because I'm very pro-gun but also very pro-LGBT, etc.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/13/2023 2:43 PM
News and analysis from Capitol Hill for when you only have a few minutes, from POLITICO.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/13/2023 8:39 PM
The House passed a resolution that would repeal a Biden administration rule tightening regulations on stabilizing braces for firearms. The accessory that has been used in several mass shootings in the U.S. over the last decade. The resolution passed 219-210, nearly on party lines Tuesday, with two Democrats voting in support and two Republicans ...
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Also, it's funny because transphobes act like they always know but I was pretty active in there with a profile picture of my actual self.
They always think they so fuckin' smart. I always go back to when people post pics of cis women and then they're like YoU CaN AlWaYs tell l o l. ๐Ÿคกs. Sorry you've had shitty experiences.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/14/2023 5:19 PM
No black powder option?
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smh
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/14/2023 5:31 PM
I prefer my yanderAK-47 personally. (edited)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/14/2023 6:03 PM
mentally unstable ak-47
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AvoidOblivion 6/14/2023 9:39 PM
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I want it.
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gravybaby420 6/14/2023 9:56 PM
kinda reminds me of the service rifle from fonv
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/14/2023 10:24 PM
ngl yeah
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/15/2023 1:39 PM
Learned some interesting info
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7.62x39 is actually slightly cheaper than 5.56 at my local store
1:40 PM
And a PSA ak parts kit is cheaper than an SKS
1:40 PM
So uh, I may just get an AK
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
So uh, I may just get an AK
Braakinthesaddle 6/15/2023 2:14 PM
As a proud owner of an AK, you have my full support. Just remember that ammo prices can fluctuate, sometimes daily.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/15/2023 2:17 PM
Yep
2:17 PM
Gonna get into hand loading too
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And a PSA ak parts kit is cheaper than an SKS
Blahaj Blaster 6/15/2023 8:45 PM
There's no way a ak parts kit is cheaper than a psa ar parts kit though
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There's no way a ak parts kit is cheaper than a psa ar parts kit though
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/15/2023 8:46 PM
Yep, theyโ€™re about 175 more, but also I want to use a heavier cartridge
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Yep, theyโ€™re about 175 more, but also I want to use a heavier cartridge
Blahaj Blaster 6/15/2023 8:46 PM
300 blackout? Do you already have an ar? If not I say do the ar first
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/15/2023 8:46 PM
I want to be able to use it for actual hunting
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Blahaj Blaster
300 blackout? Do you already have an ar? If not I say do the ar first
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/15/2023 8:47 PM
No, and I donโ€™t like 300 blackout;
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Just a personal preference
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Blahaj Blaster 6/15/2023 8:47 PM
For why?
8:47 PM
Fair
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I did an ak first but this was back when a cheap ak was $350 and a cheap ar was $750
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So not exactly comparable to today
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/15/2023 8:48 PM
A friend of mine used to have one, and i donโ€™t know what it was, but I really disliked it; good gun, just didnโ€™t care for the cartridge
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Plus, itโ€™s going for around 80 cents around at my local stores, while 7.62x39 is sitting at 49 (5.56 is 51-52)
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Envy my prices
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Plus, itโ€™s going for around 80 cents around at my local stores, while 7.62x39 is sitting at 49 (5.56 is 51-52)
Blahaj Blaster 6/15/2023 8:55 PM
I understand that, if you want to reload though you could probably do 300 blackout cheaper as it uses .308 bullets and 5.56 cases
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And 7.62x39 isn't really .308 but I hear you can make them work
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And 7.62x39 isn't really .308 but I hear you can make them work
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/15/2023 8:56 PM
Oh yeah, absolutely; Iโ€™m thinking itโ€™s more comparable to like 30-30, so short range brush hunting
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Oh yeah, absolutely; Iโ€™m thinking itโ€™s more comparable to like 30-30, so short range brush hunting
Blahaj Blaster 6/15/2023 8:57 PM
I'm talking about the diameter of the bullet, but the performance is very comparable to 30-30
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But .300 is also comparable to 30-30 aka 7.62x51r
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/15/2023 9:02 PM
I getcha
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So uh, I may just get an AK
Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/15/2023 10:25 PM
Got one last week. Some of the yugo AKs are amazing!
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/16/2023 12:56 PM
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@LucasBotkin This Soviet era night vision is so gay that it makes you hear Erasure while it sparkles! ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€โšง๏ธ๐ŸŒˆโšง๏ธ
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Queering night vision one gay little maneuver in the dark at a time.
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Today I spend $500 on a fancy new paperweight.
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Today I spend $500 on a fancy new paperweight.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/16/2023 11:24 PM
must have a lot of paper that needs to make sure it is weighed down!
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must have a lot of paper that needs to make sure it is weighed down!
500 less pieces now ๐Ÿ˜†
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Blahaj Blaster
I understand that, if you want to reload though you could probably do 300 blackout cheaper as it uses .308 bullets and 5.56 cases
Raps [PDX,OR] 6/17/2023 12:36 PM
Reloading 300 takes a bit of an investment. You need a jig and some kind of case trimmer. Both will cost you about 150 for the cheaper options. The powder for reloading 300blk is still pricey too. I think someone did the break down to get in the black financially and you need to reload about 10k rounds before You're coming up on your investment. Not impossible but it's a lofty investment of time. (edited)
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Reloading 300 takes a bit of an investment. You need a jig and some kind of case trimmer. Both will cost you about 150 for the cheaper options. The powder for reloading 300blk is still pricey too. I think someone did the break down to get in the black financially and you need to reload about 10k rounds before You're coming up on your investment. Not impossible but it's a lofty investment of time. (edited)
Blahaj Blaster 6/17/2023 4:38 PM
I feel it's easier than finding brass cases and proper sized bullets for 7.62x39 but that could be changing
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Raps [PDX,OR] 6/17/2023 6:06 PM
I don't quite understand the point you're making here.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/17/2023 7:46 PM
By Zolan Kanno-Youngs and Michael Corkery
โ€œIf this Congress refuses to act, we need a new Congress,โ€ President Biden said at a firearms safety summit in Connecticut.
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Where can I get queer night vision?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/18/2023 1:35 PM
Where can i get a bisexual musket ๐Ÿ˜ณ
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/18/2023 2:48 PM
Ok, so Im turning 18 soon, which one of these should I be saving up for M206 revolver, theres the gun metal version and the nickeled one or M200 revolver
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both are bellow 700 dollars
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Raps [PDX,OR]
I don't quite understand the point you're making here.
Blahaj Blaster 6/18/2023 5:12 PM
Not any point really just that neither is currently particularly easy to get set up on to reload for different reasons
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Raps [PDX,OR] 6/18/2023 5:17 PM
Reloading 7.62 is incredibly easy to source the materials. The prices for reloading however, haven't really came down like most other things post COVID panic buying. (edited)
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New purchase.
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AvoidOblivion 6/23/2023 7:29 AM
Looks beautiful. Your dog looks cute as well.
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Thanks lol
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DevilTheAutopoet 6/23/2023 2:20 PM
"Children are terrified because of all these racist, misogynist white men from affluent conservative families shooting up schools. Therefore we need to pass laws that will primarily make it more difficult for working class people and minorities to get firearms."
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New purchase.
You gonna name him?
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You gonna name him?
Now that you mention it I think I'll name her Mercy.
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NGNMGoon
Now that you mention it I think I'll name her Mercy.
That's a lovely name.
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Because she's the only mercy I have for fascist.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/24/2023 12:05 AM
Now just get an M1911 and name it Forgiveness.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/24/2023 12:34 AM
where's the double barrel called boomstick
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/25/2023 2:44 PM
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Social scientists are just beginning to understand who is purchasing firearms and how gun ownership may alter behavior.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/25/2023 9:26 PM
Yea the data is kinda good news though. It means more subgroups of Americans are now strapped and its not just the traditional gun owners (white conservative males for most part). I'm all for more marginalized groups realizing that its time to upgrade defensive EDC equipment. You know? (edited)
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Yea the data is kinda good news though. It means more subgroups of Americans are now strapped and its not just the traditional gun owners (white conservative males for most part). I'm all for more marginalized groups realizing that its time to upgrade defensive EDC equipment. You know? (edited)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/25/2023 9:27 PM
True. That way neolibs can't pull the "You only own guns because you hate minorities" card. And yes, I've seen that card played.
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True. That way neolibs can't pull the "You only own guns because you hate minorities" card. And yes, I've seen that card played.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/25/2023 10:18 PM
ah yes, the milquetoasts.
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There's also a small but likely growing percentage of pro gun control people who also are getting arms in part as a example to gun nuts. Don't want gun control AND you brandish a arm in my face? Woe, a bullet upon ye.
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There's also a small but likely growing percentage of pro gun control people who also are getting arms in part as a example to gun nuts. Don't want gun control AND you brandish a arm in my face? Woe, a bullet upon ye.
I wish this country didnโ€™t have guns. It fucking sucks that the leading cause of death of children in this nation is firearms. But as long as we have them, Iโ€™m going to get a gun. And Iโ€™m going to train with it. I wonโ€™t let any god damn nazi hurt me or my friends or my partner or my queer brothers sisters and others.
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I wish this country didnโ€™t have guns. It fucking sucks that the leading cause of death of children in this nation is firearms. But as long as we have them, Iโ€™m going to get a gun. And Iโ€™m going to train with it. I wonโ€™t let any god damn nazi hurt me or my friends or my partner or my queer brothers sisters and others.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/25/2023 11:56 PM
Didn't that statistic also include teenagers and young adults as "children"?
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teens yeah, not young adults I think
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/25/2023 11:57 PM
By "young adults" I meant people aged 18-20 in this case.
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I know
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Ages 1-18, CDC study. Thatโ€™s still absolutely fucked that the youth of this country are dying at this rate to guns.
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so not young adults
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but yes I do think the gun crisis is a multifront issue
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Didn't that statistic also include teenagers and young adults as "children"?
Blahaj Blaster 6/26/2023 2:01 PM
Yes it did, up to the age of 20, the number one cause of death for children was still automobile accidents iirc when the numbers were broken down by age
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It also didn't include birth defects and congenital abnormalities
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Yes it did, up to the age of 20, the number one cause of death for children was still automobile accidents iirc when the numbers were broken down by age
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/26/2023 2:04 PM
And that's the thing that annoys me. They could've just mentioned that kids were dying to guns at a high rate instead of being disingenuous.
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And that's the thing that annoys me. They could've just mentioned that kids were dying to guns at a high rate instead of being disingenuous.
Blahaj Blaster 6/26/2023 2:09 PM
Well the study was literally from the university of michigan "Institute for Firearm Injury Prevention" why would they be genuine when they need to make numbers look worse in order to push an agenda
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/29/2023 8:04 PM
Or in VA where you can openly carry guns and knifes but heaven forbid you have a four inch folding or automatic knife in your pocket.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/29/2023 9:52 PM
Hot Take, but pistol braces should be banned. Not for any political reason, they just suck ass. Also, SBRs are honestly stupid as a civie weapon, and the only reason people want them is because they want to LARP as tacticool army guys
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/29/2023 9:55 PM
if people wanna waste money on stupid accessories that aint my problem
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Hot Take, but pistol braces should be banned. Not for any political reason, they just suck ass. Also, SBRs are honestly stupid as a civie weapon, and the only reason people want them is because they want to LARP as tacticool army guys
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 6/29/2023 11:37 PM
Counterpoint: Their small size makes them easier to maneuver indoors, making them solid home defense weapons.
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Counterpoint: Their small size makes them easier to maneuver indoors, making them solid home defense weapons.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/29/2023 11:59 PM
Or like, an SBS
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
if people wanna waste money on stupid accessories that aint my problem
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/29/2023 11:59 PM
Capitalist Propaganda ;Þ
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/30/2023 12:00 AM
XD
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/30/2023 12:21 AM
Nvm Iโ€™m illiterate
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/30/2023 12:24 AM
it happens to all of us
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dw
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 6/30/2023 4:19 AM
I thought your username said crusader and I was going to bully you for it
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/30/2023 8:07 AM
Breh, I'm not that stupid to idolize crusaders
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also don't blame you, Cuirassier is not a very common word nowadays
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Gun laws are dumb. Why do I have to get an FFL transfer for a polymer lower with no moving parts related to firing, but I can get an upper right to my door with no signature?
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/30/2023 9:40 AM
you wanna know something funny about panama gun laws
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sawed offs are legal
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but black powder weapons are completely illegal
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Lucky Devil Tactical 7/1/2023 12:16 AM
Anyone have the AEMS optic? I let myself get talked out of an Eotech, and I ordered one of these instead
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/2/2023 12:42 AM
I dunno, I swear by holosights over red dots but I also have a wicked astigmatism.
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I dunno, I swear by holosights over red dots but I also have a wicked astigmatism.
Lucky Devil Tactical 7/4/2023 10:48 PM
Iโ€™ve found green over red dots helps tremendously. I wanted the eotech but apparently the battery life is atrocious
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/4/2023 10:51 PM
They consume far more battery life than a red dot but people saying the battery life is atrocious are being a bit histrionic IMO. I've been in three day shoot outs and my eotech ran just fine being on all the time. Now will it run for a year like some red dots? No. But holosights have other advantages that red dots don't have so there's some trade off.
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And I have a green red dot on my 365 and for my astigmatism it's maybe a little worse than the red unless I have the ring on, then the burst cleans up a lot. Astigmatisms are weird in that they're wildly different between those that have them.
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And I have a green red dot on my 365 and for my astigmatism it's maybe a little worse than the red unless I have the ring on, then the burst cleans up a lot. Astigmatisms are weird in that they're wildly different between those that have them.
Lucky Devil Tactical 7/4/2023 11:08 PM
Thatโ€™s crazy, I find with mine that green really clears it up. The eotech was explained to me as such โ€œthey are great if you have someone whose only job is to look after and maintain your weapons, if you donโ€™t, youโ€™re going to have to remember to change this battery every 3 months or itโ€™s not going to be any use to youโ€
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/4/2023 11:13 PM
That doesn't make sense to me because armorers don't change batteries in optics. At least not in my case. Other than that eotechs will flicker when the batteries are getting low. It's also SOP to turn on your eotech and adjust the brightness to where you need it so not seeing that flicker is beyond me.
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Lucky Devil Tactical 7/4/2023 11:17 PM
Thatโ€™s just what the dude told me ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ I just know they are rated for 600-1000 hours, and optics like the AEMS are 50k hours. I was pretty disappointed I had my heart set on the xps2 magnifier set
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/4/2023 11:18 PM
Battery life is certainly a trade off between the two. There's merit in turning on an optic, leaving it on, and then replacing the battery in a year. (edited)
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Lucky Devil Tactical 7/4/2023 11:19 PM
In other gun news, I installed a bolt release on my rifle today, and that was way more of a pain in my ass than I expected
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/4/2023 11:19 PM
What is that?
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Lucky Devil Tactical 7/4/2023 11:20 PM
The rifle or the bolt release?
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/4/2023 11:20 PM
Rifle
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Lucky Devil Tactical 7/4/2023 11:20 PM
HK SL8
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Ish
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Itโ€™s more G36 than SL8 at this point
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/4/2023 11:20 PM
Big money.
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Are you paying for the g36 conversion or doing it yourself?
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Lucky Devil Tactical 7/4/2023 11:21 PM
Bit of both
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Sent it off to Tommy to have the receiver reshaped to accept double stack mags
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Swapped it to a stanag magwell and went with a drop in lower instead of having the receiver chopped for the G36 back end
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I just installed the bolt release and rail, and I think I should be able to rebarrel it by summers end
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Going to have a muzzle device made to pin and weld a 12.5โ€ G36K barrel
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Raps [PDX,OR] 7/4/2023 11:53 PM
Nice.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 7/5/2023 2:06 PM
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/6/2023 8:29 PM
Out of battery detonation Iโ€™d bet
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/7/2023 7:00 PM
https://youtu.be/k7AJ5Axj4Bc?t=438 A brit, an aussie, and a thai guy try to shoot guns.
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Way to spoil the video with the title. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
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Blahaj Blaster 7/11/2023 3:23 PM
How it should be, minus the nra sticker
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Lucky Devil Tactical 7/12/2023 12:08 AM
36 hours til I get to pick up my new pdp compact pro.
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Not excited or anything
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 7/12/2023 9:13 PM
FREE THE TOMMY
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https://www.simmonssportinggoods.com/primary-arms-slx-3x-microprism-with-green-illuminated-acss-raptor-5-56-308-reticle-yard/ anyone got any thoughts on this sight? I kind of want to get one to throw on my c308 (ptr-91). I do worry about the height of the optic, as the stock of my rifle isn't in line. I'm also not even sure it's worth upgrading the rifle itself.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 7/15/2023 10:42 AM
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Just as the founding father intended
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Holy fuck!
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My rifle arrived at my FFL last week. Will they be pissed if I don't get there until later this week to pick it up? It's my first gun and it's a big box store
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I don't see why they would be, but I don't know FFL etiquette either
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It's across town and it's only open for 2 hours after I get off work. I chose it because I know another trans person who went there and they said the store was chill
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Lucy Cordelia 7/17/2023 9:19 PM
You're fine. Big box FFL just making money for the transfer, assuming you get charged a fee, and it's more of a hassle to ship it back vs. waiting. If anything I imagine they'd call you a week or three out to see if everything was ok.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/20/2023 9:05 PM
You deserve death for this
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You deserve death for this
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/20/2023 9:06 PM
Don't blame me blame the Iraqi bubba
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/20/2023 9:06 PM
Smack them upside the head
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/20/2023 9:06 PM
I think it also shoots flares
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/21/2023 1:03 PM
The bros were patrolling the streets the other day with their FAMAS. I kinda of chuckled. They look dumb even with a full kit.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/21/2023 5:52 PM
Jesus Christ...
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Jesus Christ...
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/21/2023 7:26 PM
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/22/2023 4:13 PM
So this might seem a bit hypocritical given my last post, but Iโ€™d like to make a request that we discourage news articles and memes from this channel. I think it should mainly be reserved for firearms pics and discussion of their use
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Iโ€™m just really getting tired of the articles and complaining tbh. Iโ€™m pro 2A, but if other people want to restrict firearms in their communities, then thatโ€™s their problem imo
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str8 up demon 7/22/2023 4:54 PM
agreed
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im more of the gun wary types but imma have to get over that because the time is arriving that im gonna need to learn to use them
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without being a pussy
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although im pro 2A as well
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Totally valid to be uncomfortable with guns. There's no shame in it.
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If it's an uncomfortable that's like from unfamiliarity go out n hit a range. See about it.
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Guns are, I feel, important. But there's a lot of other stuff you can do to help your comrades:community.
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If it's an uncomfortable that's like from unfamiliarity go out n hit a range. See about it.
str8 up demon 7/22/2023 7:30 PM
its more from being raised in a liberal household where after leaving said household both parents radicalized in different ways (edited)
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the mom became a sheep to my step dad conservative cuck and my dad became a demsoc because he regretted his decision to vote for trump in 2016
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my dad originally voted for bush and obama
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meanwhile my sib is a demsoc and im the anarchist of the fam
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its more from being raised in a liberal household where after leaving said household both parents radicalized in different ways (edited)
Totally fair!
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str8 up demon 7/22/2023 9:32 PM
But im hoping to get my license to carry within the next 2 months
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Ive always seen myself as favoring sniper rifles
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I mean. The concept is a lil divorced from reality. Stick with learning to shoot a pistol and then rifle is what I'd do. Accuracy and shit is more on you than having a "sniper rifle" etc. I mean you can have a rifle, sure. (edited)
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Ive always seen myself as favoring sniper rifles
Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:30 PM
I'll be honest and some will likely disagree vehemently, which is ok there are a lot of fine opinions on this, but a good first carry would be a nice revovler and then get a light attached to it. Get a large pocket pant and get a pocket holster. Get a .38 that can shoot +p. Easy to use. Easy to clean. No safety. No need to cycle a round into the chamber. Point toward enemy and pull the trigger.
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That is totally fair, and I know pwople have some different perspectives on what to start with. Like yours, and semi auto was jus my personal preference. At the end of the day it's kinda less important what you do as long as it's right for you.
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That is totally fair, and I know pwople have some different perspectives on what to start with. Like yours, and semi auto was jus my personal preference. At the end of the day it's kinda less important what you do as long as it's right for you.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:32 PM
Exactly. I use both. I'm a cylinder carry guy myself. But I also have a semi-carry too.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:32 PM
ive always been in favor of longer range
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providing information towards comrades from a bit further back
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:34 PM
I would think deliberately about what you need and what situation you will find yourself in. If you want to be a "grey man" that no one expects is armed then the small semi or revolver is perfect. Guns are like tattoos for me, just can't get one! You have different guns for different situations eventually.
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Agreed there. Wish how I wanted to be wasn't so expensive. Guns are expensive but I felt like I couldn't afford not to have one too so.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:37 PM
The M206 Spurless Revolver - great for concealed carry, is chambered in 38 Special. It also comes equipped with a checkered wood grip and parkerized finish.
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I wouldn't use +p ammo with it. But it will be a good civilian "service" revolver that you can trust.
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They also make an affordable milspec 1911 that I absolutely LOVED when I owned one.
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And if you run out of ammo its pure metal and it can become a pistol whip champ.
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I was jus bitching about the cost of accessories that also feel like a need as well.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:40 PM
tbh if im going for a pistol id stick with the sigs
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I was jus bitching about the cost of accessories that also feel like a need as well.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:44 PM
with a concealed carry just attach a light on it for night/dark target identification. Everything else is really unnecessary at the first stage of owner ship. No need to get sucked intot he tacticool world just yet.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:45 PM
the main issue for me with the sigs is the weight and the trigger action
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due to the single/double action with the hammer
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i dont currently own any firearms nor do i have a license to carry yet however
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with a concealed carry just attach a light on it for night/dark target identification. Everything else is really unnecessary at the first stage of owner ship. No need to get sucked intot he tacticool world just yet.
True enough. I get overly excited when getting into stuff.
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True enough. I get overly excited when getting into stuff.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:47 PM
Me too, fam. Me too.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:47 PM
brand new p229 is 1400 dollars
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oooof
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fuck that
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str8 up demon
tbh if im going for a pistol id stick with the sigs
Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:48 PM
Love sigs too. Never got around to owning one though. Can get a nearly comparable glock for cheaper.
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I got the 365xl. 600. Still pricey but not quite as wallet-cryng as 4 digits.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:50 PM
The P365 redefined what a concealed-carry pistol should be, now the new P365 XL is doing it again. The perfect balance of micro-compact concealability with full-size shootability the P365 XL packs 12 + 1. The first P365 offered in the XSeries family, the XL comes standard with an extended slide, 3.7...
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Of course, if you're gonna be into guns, carrying and whatnot. Learn how to patch up holes as well as make them. Stop the bleed is excellent and often free. I need to get more medical training soon.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:51 PM
this 1?
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Of course, if you're gonna be into guns, carrying and whatnot. Learn how to patch up holes as well as make them. Stop the bleed is excellent and often free. I need to get more medical training soon.
str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:51 PM
ill be starting EMT certs soon
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Hell yeah
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:51 PM
so im covered on that end
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:51 PM
Nice! I do the stop the bleed for teaching. So I refresh every year.
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I always try to make a point ot mention it if I talk to someone about guns. Even if I'm a novice in both areas. ๐Ÿ™‚
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 1:52 PM
Totally smart tbh gun ownership should be treated as a responsbility like that.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:53 PM
the more i talk about firearms the more normalized it becomes for me
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coming from liberal background this conversation is nessesary for me
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Valid
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:54 PM
Text for H.R.127 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act
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Ugh
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I don't think it'd be likely, but no not familiar, just based on a brief skim.
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God I hate "large capacity" bans.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:57 PM
so basically it requires a psych test to be passed prior to getting the license
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A lot of people on chud forums wanted that. Or made reference to it. Ironic.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:58 PM
im in favor of it however
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with 1 change
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unless the result shows soo many red flags that its nessesary to prevent the person from getting the license
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the test should only be done to provide the person with knowledge of where they are likely to fail (edited)
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I'm very skeptical of gun control like that tbh
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 1:59 PM
im 2A but i believe in common sense gun control laws
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idk what biden is doing rn tbh
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fucking bumps stocks or some shit
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 2:01 PM
It is good to have differing opinions on guns. Personally I am very pro gun given that I grew up a military brat and have been shooting since I was a youngin on and off for most of my life.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 2:01 PM
my dad was a navy dude
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never had to deal with firearms
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Only recently been exposed to guns, in the past few years. I don't have an intimately familiar history with em
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 2:02 PM
he did mostly maintenance in the engine rooms
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my conservative mother and step dad however
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 2:02 PM
Army up in this bish. Multi generational. So it was kinda a thing.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 2:02 PM
i believe they both own at least 3 pistols
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my mom has a pink glock
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lol
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My MIL did too haha (edited)
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 2:03 PM
HELLO KITTY GLOCK FOR LIFE!
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 2:03 PM
BRUH
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She was very into guns. I mean. She still is
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Zannheim
She was very into guns. I mean. She still is
str8 up demon 7/23/2023 2:04 PM
AMMOSEXUAL
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/23/2023 2:04 PM
I have always been glockcurious.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 2:05 PM
lol
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I showed her a pic of my gun and she's like "oh is that' a sig"? I was a lil taken aback. The only one I'd recognize on sight is probably a glock lol.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 2:09 PM
nice
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my mom worked corrections for awhile
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so shes a little bit familiar wth em
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due to coworkers
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str8 up demon
my mom has a pink glock
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 3:21 PM
lol
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str8 up demon
fucking bumps stocks or some shit
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/23/2023 3:56 PM
Bump-stocks are a cheap gimmicky piece of shit, and frankly, I think a ban is reasonable. It doesnโ€™t change anything, and it makes a lot of people much happier, so why not.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/23/2023 7:35 PM
Brazilโ€™s President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has signed a decree tightening restrictions on civilian access to guns in Brazil, in a move aimed at reversing the pro-firearms policies of his right-wing predecessor Jair Bolsonaro.
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 7:40 PM
this is wrong clearly
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but id like to know the reasoning as to why
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this happened
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the ban on 9mm pistols the main weapon for self defense is R worded
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AvoidOblivion 7/23/2023 8:48 PM
I saw that earlier today. PSR doesnโ€™t talk politics, but I am interested in knowing his leanings to be sure about whether or not he supports human rights, like the right to exist. He mentions he watched Popular Frontโ€™s documentary, and Popular Front seems to ultimately be a left-wing media organization. That gives me hope.
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str8 up demon
the ban on 9mm pistols the main weapon for self defense is R worded
AIF Cuirassier regiment 7/23/2023 10:45 PM
I'm sorry....9 fucking milimiter?
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you gotta be shitting me
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 11:18 PM
i wish
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I saw that earlier today. PSR doesnโ€™t talk politics, but I am interested in knowing his leanings to be sure about whether or not he supports human rights, like the right to exist. He mentions he watched Popular Frontโ€™s documentary, and Popular Front seems to ultimately be a left-wing media organization. That gives me hope.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/23/2023 11:35 PM
He mentioned in the video that he spent time at a refugee camp in Bangladesh for people fleeing Myanmar.
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str8 up demon 7/24/2023 10:17 AM
hey for those of you that know your guns and accsessories
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find some OSINT peeps
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we need people who can help out with Technical intelligence
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being able to look at images at protests of armed groups and getting an idea of the capability and organization of a group
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being able to tell whats considered a third party item (lower quality)
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etc etc
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I just went to a range that let you test a dozen, then ordered what I liked and had it sent to the local FFL
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being able to look at images at protests of armed groups and getting an idea of the capability and organization of a group
If you need help ID'ing stuff, someone here should be able to help.
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Would a Winchester 1897 be a good model for defense of myself, my home, and others?
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Would a Winchester 1897 be a good model for defense of myself, my home, and others?
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/24/2023 7:41 PM
It would be good defending yourself against a shapeshifting murderous robot from the future.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 7/24/2023 7:45 PM
shotguns are pretty good in general tbh
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don't use birdshot tho
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that won't kill a man
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/24/2023 7:46 PM
Uhhh, Aktually, thatโ€™s an 1887, not an 1897
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Uhhh, Aktually, thatโ€™s an 1887, not an 1897
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The Winchester Model 1887 (Dellosso Shotgun) and Winchester Model 1901 are lever-action shotguns originally designed by famed American gun designer John Browning and produced by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The shotgun has become iconic for its use in the 1991 film Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
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The Winchester Model 1897, also known as the Model 97, M97, or Trench Gun, is a pump-action shotgun with an external hammer and tube magazine manufactured by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company. The Model 1897 was an evolution of the Winchester Model 1893 designed by John Browning. From 1897 until 1957, over one million of these shotguns were ...
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/24/2023 7:59 PM
ohhh
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goddamn
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i got them confused
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 7/24/2023 8:04 PM
you mean fat checked liberal?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/24/2023 8:47 PM
That pic manages to make him look even fatter.
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Man's cosplaying Baron Harkonnen at this point.
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Bro looking like a fucking Reddit mod
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hey now, most reddit mods have legit beef with reddit admin based on admin's incompetence
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their standards are low, but not blue check twitter low (edited)
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Would a Winchester 1897 be a good model for defense of myself, my home, and others?
Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/25/2023 4:11 AM
I would think about what you need the gun for. Would it be good for defense? Most guns are. I mean a breach loading shotgun will get the job done if all you need to do is blast a thugs dome during a break in. Does the perp also have a gun? Then maybe get something that can put a lot of lead downrange as fast a possible. A handgun with an extended magazine with 15+ rounds will be better. Something like a Glock or Sig will serve you well in just about most home defense situations. I personally like glocks and similar handguns because while the first trigger pull will be harder you don't need to worry about a traditional safety. Just chamber the round and point towards enemy and do what needs to be done to survive. Edit: grammar and such. (edited)
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And do not sleep on .22LR. Its cheap. You can get literally a gallon jug full of rounds for cheap and can put ALOT of lead down range ASAP in a bad situation.
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Thanks!
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
I would think about what you need the gun for. Would it be good for defense? Most guns are. I mean a breach loading shotgun will get the job done if all you need to do is blast a thugs dome during a break in. Does the perp also have a gun? Then maybe get something that can put a lot of lead downrange as fast a possible. A handgun with an extended magazine with 15+ rounds will be better. Something like a Glock or Sig will serve you well in just about most home defense situations. I personally like glocks and similar handguns because while the first trigger pull will be harder you don't need to worry about a traditional safety. Just chamber the round and point towards enemy and do what needs to be done to survive. Edit: grammar and such. (edited)
The gun you have is better than the one you don't.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/25/2023 2:24 PM
Always yes. But with planning you can always have a good one and don't need to worry.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/25/2023 2:32 PM
Unless its that japanese WWII service pistol that would often break and hurt the user.
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that won't kill a man
str8 up demon 7/25/2023 3:44 PM
no it will cause them a lot of pain and it would be a bitch to surgically remove all of them
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and because of the spread you have a higher chance of hitting more veins/arteries
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/25/2023 3:48 PM
There are guns for fun and guns that get the job done! For people getting into firearms I try my best to steer them into a direction that they will get the most use out of for fun and getting the job done!
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 7/25/2023 8:19 PM
I find it funny that for a time in history, artillery really was just an upsized flintlock musket
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small musket
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the firing system for a bigger musket
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no it will cause them a lot of pain and it would be a bitch to surgically remove all of them
I mean when you use a gun your objective is to stop them from being a threat, not just like. Cause pain. Just like how there's no wounding or warning shots etc.
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str8 up demon 7/26/2023 2:38 AM
doesnt immense pain cause immobilization?
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i have no desire to kill someone even if they break into my house god knows why they need to in the first place
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I don't want to kill someone either tbh but like. If you have a gun, that is a distinct possibility tyou hvae to accept
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str8 up demon 7/26/2023 2:39 AM
if the statistics are to be trusted then its a safe assumption robbery is due to poverty
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I don't want to kill someone either tbh but like. If you have a gun, that is a distinct possibility tyou hvae to accept
str8 up demon 7/26/2023 2:39 AM
oh yeah ik
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im fine with that possibility
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but my desire is to lower the chance of death
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if possible
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and i think thats everyones wish here
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but my desire is to lower the chance of death
I dunno how to do that and not lower effectiveness. WIthout going gun-> pepperspray. (in terms of hitting back I mean)
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(Yeah I know, medical stuff etc, but I meant a specific kinda thing. Figured I needed to mention.) (edited)
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str8 up demon 7/26/2023 2:52 AM
right i get that
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adrenaline is like that
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/26/2023 4:06 AM
Also remember lots of people including me have level III+ ballistic armor now.
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As I was saying above if the goal is not to go lethal than there are lots of other options that aren't traditional fire arms
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C02 guns that shoot pepper balls for instance.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
C02 guns that shoot pepper balls for instance.
str8 up demon 7/26/2023 9:35 AM
if you wanna be batshit crazy you can also buy tear gas
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/26/2023 12:00 PM
Hell you can get flash bangs too
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Hell you can get flash bangs too
str8 up demon 7/26/2023 4:44 PM
wait really??????
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/26/2023 4:59 PM
There's always molotovs.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/26/2023 5:57 PM
IWA grenades are classified as pyrotechnics and not explosives. They aren't as powerful as the LEO and military ones. But are still good at startling unpreppared people.
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Would it be a bad idea to load a magazine for home defense with a blank or two before the rest of the bullets?
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Would it be a bad idea to load a magazine for home defense with a blank or two before the rest of the bullets?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/26/2023 8:47 PM
Yes.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Yes.
str8 up demon 7/26/2023 9:54 PM
Why?
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/genuine
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Why?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/26/2023 10:02 PM
You're limiting your defensive capabilities. If the attacker has a gun of their own and starts firing back, you have to waste a round or two before being able to properly defend yourself. Besides, blanks can still be lethal at close range.
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I was always taught that if you draw your gun, you had better be prepared to use it.
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Otherwise, don't draw it at all.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
I was always taught that if you draw your gun, you had better be prepared to use it.
AvoidOblivion 7/26/2023 10:07 PM
Iโ€™ve been taught to only aim at a target if you intend to kill. Youโ€™re right. Blanks loaded before live rounds can and will result in valuable time being wasted, time that can not be regained once lost.
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Would it be a bad idea to load a magazine for home defense with a blank or two before the rest of the bullets?
Very. For the reasons AvoidOblivion said. (edited)
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AvoidOblivion 7/26/2023 10:11 PM
While I do understand why one would load one or two blanks prior to live rounds, it is not a good idea. On the surface, wanting to give a warning and a second chance could spare the life of the intruderโ€ฆ but can put yours even more on the line. If you do not want to kill the person breaking into your house, do not use a gun. Use a non-lethal option: pepper spray or even something stronger like bear spray, pepper shots, or a strong weapon like a bat, or a taser if you are comfortable getting close. It must be said that maintaining distance is important. Closing the gap can result in you getting disarmed and seriously injured, if not killed. (edited)
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Isn't pepperspray>bear mace?
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AvoidOblivion 7/26/2023 10:13 PM
Pepper spray and its siblings can take anyone down quickly. It acts immediately and causes immense pain, vision problems, and can even cause difficulty breathing - from what Iโ€™ve heard. Iโ€™m lucky to have not experienced it.
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Isn't pepperspray>bear mace?
AvoidOblivion 7/26/2023 10:14 PM
No. They are similar but bear spray is stronger.
Bear spray is bigger, more powerful, and designed to let you spray from a safe distance. Pepper spray is compact, and while it still packs a punch in terms of โ€œspicinessโ€, it won't have the volume, power, or distance to effectively deter a bear.
https://www.nationalparksbackpacker.com/pepper-spray-same-as-bear-spray/#:~:text=Bear%20spray%20is%20bigger%2C%20more,to%20effectively%20deter%20a%20bear.
Pepper spray and bear spray- are they the same thing? Can you use them interchangeably? Answers to this/other questions in this quick read!
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My father was once hit indirectly with pepper spray, when a belligerent person he took down was pepper sprayed by police. He was in pain for several hours and had trouble sleeping that night, and remembers vividly how much it hurt to open his eyes.
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I hadn't actually used bear spray so I wasn't very familiar with it. I'd just heard people, when given the option, say to use pepperspray rather than bear spray for a few reasons: How easy it is to carry and use, and the whole area of effect being bigger. I mean I'd imagine do whatever if you're in your home and whatnot though.
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I hadn't actually used bear spray so I wasn't very familiar with it. I'd just heard people, when given the option, say to use pepperspray rather than bear spray for a few reasons: How easy it is to carry and use, and the whole area of effect being bigger. I mean I'd imagine do whatever if you're in your home and whatnot though.
AvoidOblivion 7/26/2023 10:27 PM
Yes, ultimately it is up to the home owner. Iโ€™ve heard that both pepper spray and bear spray can linger in the air well after being used, so bear spray could very well be too extreme and act as a last resort. The cans are much larger than pepper spray, go farther, and are far, far more painful.
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Bear spray can typically look like a rather small fire extinguisher, while pepper spray can be around the height of a pen.
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I have a nice little one that has a clip, and a topflip lid to cover the trigger. It's by POM I think the company is called?
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I had a guide somewhere for selecting one (edited)
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Found it
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Would it be a bad idea to load a magazine for home defense with a blank or two before the rest of the bullets?
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/26/2023 11:50 PM
Seems like it would be fine
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Seems like it would be fine
Why do you think that?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/26/2023 11:52 PM
Itโ€™s would scare the shit out of them
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And it wouldnt cause a risk of injury, and would serve to drive people out
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str8 up demon 7/27/2023 12:47 AM
its like how pigs yell tazer tazer tazer
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(hopefully)
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before shooting them with a firearm
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/27/2023 2:21 AM
Exactly!
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A warning shot
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And the first one โ€œmissedโ€ so they wonโ€™t be expecting a 45-70 to the chest
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Just an FYI, blanks will often not cycle in firearms meant to use live rounds. You'd most likely have to rack every round to clear it from the chamber, so in my opinion not a great variable to throw into a potential self defense scenario
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/27/2023 11:00 AM
Yes! In these situations you want to reduce as many variables as possible. Personally I get the idea of the blank. But in these situations you don't want to add variables because you are in a "point towards enemy and unload" situation. If you give a "warning shot" then in court you will be asked whether you truly feared for your life. The court may consider that you were not in threat for your life and were using the gun as a brandish or to escalate the situation. In both cases the court could very likely find that you weren't in fear for your life and you could possibly do jail time. The #1 reason civilian gun owners get in trouble is for brandishing a weapon. In short the courts want you to know that if you pull then its a life or death situation. If you pull, you pull to subdue the perp which will most likely cause their death or close. (edited)
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/27/2023 11:09 AM
With self defense there is no need to other think. If you have to draw on someone it means your life is in danger and one of you likely will not be walking away on their own. Make sure it isn't you. Keep it simple. Whatever lets you put the most lead down range as fast as possible as controlled as possible is the best gun for self defense in a home invasion situation.
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And the first one โ€œmissedโ€ so they wonโ€™t be expecting a 45-70 to the chest
str8 up demon 7/27/2023 11:16 AM
SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER
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Remember in a knife fight the one that ends in the hospital was the lucky one
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Yes! In these situations you want to reduce as many variables as possible. Personally I get the idea of the blank. But in these situations you don't want to add variables because you are in a "point towards enemy and unload" situation. If you give a "warning shot" then in court you will be asked whether you truly feared for your life. The court may consider that you were not in threat for your life and were using the gun as a brandish or to escalate the situation. In both cases the court could very likely find that you weren't in fear for your life and you could possibly do jail time. The #1 reason civilian gun owners get in trouble is for brandishing a weapon. In short the courts want you to know that if you pull then its a life or death situation. If you pull, you pull to subdue the perp which will most likely cause their death or close. (edited)
str8 up demon 7/27/2023 11:22 AM
most people that break and enter dont carry a firearm with them as far as statistics is concerned however keeping in mind most break and enters occur at night you really cant see if someone is armed or not (flashlight attachment is nessesary)
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/27/2023 11:23 AM
Depends on why they are there. I wouldn't assume in your instance the statistics are correct. You never know why they are there and making assumptions often times mean you are thinking when you should be shooting.
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str8 up demon 7/27/2023 11:23 AM
its easy to fear for your life when you dont know what they have
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/27/2023 11:26 AM
I can't read minds. The thing with statistics is they are a probability of X not an assurance of X. If you are in my home when I am there you are in trouble. My dog is the first defense. If that doesn't scare them away they aren't there to just steal stuff.
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str8 up demon 7/27/2023 11:26 AM
gp
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good point
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/27/2023 11:31 AM
I applaud you for trying to find a middle ground. I'm more a fuck around and find out kinda guy.
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I applaud you for trying to find a middle ground. I'm more a fuck around and find out kinda guy.
Same, on both points. Increasingly been thinking towards that way as time goes on. I don't relish the thought of having to shoot someone or anythin'. But that's why I have a gun.
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str8 up demon 7/27/2023 11:18 PM
I love anything that gts my adrenaline going but id much prefer snowboarding and peaceful/cautious protests than getting in a gunfight i want to get my license is 2 reasons i get nightmare's of seeing my bf get shot and in this day and age its really likely to happen imo (or me getting shot for that matter since im visibly trans) A detterent to the possibility of issue 1 (edited)
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Same, on both points. Increasingly been thinking towards that way as time goes on. I don't relish the thought of having to shoot someone or anythin'. But that's why I have a gun.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/27/2023 11:21 PM
Good. My advice is to treat a gun similarly to a fire extinguisher in that you get it and hope to god you never have to use it for its intended purpose.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Good. My advice is to treat a gun similarly to a fire extinguisher in that you get it and hope to god you never have to use it for its intended purpose.
str8 up demon 7/27/2023 11:29 PM
i certainly dont use it for its intended purpose
11:29 PM
and no i wont go into detail
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/28/2023 7:58 PM
Something to note when dealing with the JBGC. (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/28/2023 8:31 PM
Can you explain that, this doesnโ€™t make a huge amount of sense without some context
8:36 PM
I am a bit smooth brained
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Can you explain that, this doesnโ€™t make a huge amount of sense without some context
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/28/2023 9:58 PM
JBGC founder basically filled the org with loyalists after he got ousted for being a sex pest.
9:58 PM
Even the tankies couldn't stomach it.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/28/2023 10:19 PM
JFC. Is there any attempts to take it back?
10:19 PM
Cause itโ€™s too good of a name to let go
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I have proposed making a lgbta focused liberal/leftist gun club called the Sacred Band
11:09 PM
but atm, it does seem to be just Arizona?
11:09 PM
but you know how bad shit is, when even tankies somehow manage to have the higher ground
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/28/2023 11:15 PM
Last time I can think of that happening was like the Vietnam war, maybe Suez (edited)
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Aces high
I have proposed making a lgbta focused liberal/leftist gun club called the Sacred Band
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/28/2023 11:16 PM
I love it
11:16 PM
Itโ€™s a perfect counter to the Molon Labe bitchs out of there
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also its gloriously petty and also a good anti-fash symbol
11:21 PM
Thebes broke Sparta
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
JBGC founder basically filled the org with loyalists after he got ousted for being a sex pest.
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/28/2023 11:28 PM
Efjbgc?
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/29/2023 4:59 AM
I'm trying to take back the JBGC shame it ended that way for that group.
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Zannheim
Found it
I can conceal carry bear spray in my jacket pocket on the inside. It allows for concealment but also quick deployment. Iโ€™ve walked past pigs with it, through crowded places, yadda yadda yadda, and nobody has ever seen it.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Something to note when dealing with the JBGC. (edited)
Oh shit, didnt know that
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BanjoMan
I can conceal carry bear spray in my jacket pocket on the inside. It allows for concealment but also quick deployment. Iโ€™ve walked past pigs with it, through crowded places, yadda yadda yadda, and nobody has ever seen it.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/29/2023 4:55 PM
I misread bear spray as bear spear, and I was confused but was gonna cheer you on for that
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 7/30/2023 3:15 AM
If it worked for our ancestors...
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
JBGC founder basically filled the org with loyalists after he got ousted for being a sex pest.
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/30/2023 9:01 AM
Sex pest?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Something to note when dealing with the JBGC. (edited)
JBGC is not a unified group, each chapter is autonomous. So no this is nothing to note at all when dealing with JBGC.
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There continues to be JBGC clubs all over the country still operating closely with other leftist groups. (edited)
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To be fair, but this is a problem for the Arizona chapter if ya'll in that area
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NGNMGoon
JBGC is not a unified group, each chapter is autonomous. So no this is nothing to note at all when dealing with JBGC.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/30/2023 8:41 PM
I feel like the original founder filling the org's communication structure with loyalists after he got booted for being a creep is definitely something to keep in mind.
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What comm structure.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/30/2023 8:41 PM
It certainly explains why some people seem uncomfortable with the JBGC.
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It has always been autonomous groups
8:42 PM
Theyre uncomfortable because we show up armed in body armour
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Some people don't like that even id they're leftist
8:42 PM
DSA is a great example
8:43 PM
Further more, leader of the JBGC?
8:43 PM
That doesn't track, because there is no leader.
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NGNMGoon
What comm structure.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/30/2023 8:43 PM
You didn't read it, did you?
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Oh I read it. I'm calling bullshit
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NGNMGoon
Further more, leader of the JBGC?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/30/2023 8:43 PM
I didn't say leader. I said original founder.
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My mistake then.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/30/2023 9:50 PM
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9:51 PM
Post gun pics fuckers
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/30/2023 9:58 PM
Here's my AR build
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/30/2023 10:01 PM
Bitchin!
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Iโ€™m more on the AK side of the fence, but more for practical factors. ARs slap
10:02 PM
7.62x39 is still really cheap around me, and I prefer a cartridge more useful for hunting
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/30/2023 10:02 PM
Also, holy fuuuck
10:02 PM
israeli occupation forces posted this
10:03 PM
This is REALLY fucking weird
10:03 PM
So, I think I see a hi-power?
10:03 PM
A old PASGT vest.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/30/2023 10:03 PM
Yep
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/30/2023 10:03 PM
A bunch of phones and an AR lower.
10:03 PM
Really uhh, dangerous stuff taken off the streets.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/30/2023 10:03 PM
Hi Powers are still the standard sidearm of the Israeli army, so it makes sense
10:04 PM
Either stolen, smuggled, or planted
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PASGAT gear is quite cheap and widely available, I could see it being used for whoever this is, considering Osama Bin Ladin had some in the one pic of him
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/30/2023 10:06 PM
Yeah, I have a PASGT vest myself lol
10:06 PM
picked it up for like 130
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Since my birthday is soon, I've been trying to save up for a gun.
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Been thinking about buying either a 1. CCW 2. WASR-10 3. MP-15
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I might get a SIG or a PX4 Storm for my CCW
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/30/2023 10:57 PM
WASR-10 are good for the price
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
Yeah, I have a PASGT vest myself lol
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/30/2023 11:00 PM
Iโ€™m personally gonna get a PASGAT helmet soon, and a vest later
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/30/2023 11:57 PM
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I heard PASGT.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 7/31/2023 11:38 AM
Iโ€™m gonna get one of them helmets
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/31/2023 11:44 AM
I have both
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Ignore uhhh the photo it's the only pic I have of both the pasgt vest and helmet
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str8 up demon 7/31/2023 10:05 PM
why tf do you have the book
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/31/2023 10:20 PM
I got it from one of those free libraries
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I've read it it's weird stuff
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should have stuffed the free library full of leftist shit
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weaponize the free knowledge banks
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str8 up demon 8/1/2023 12:15 AM
oh yeah
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Aces high
should have stuffed the free library full of leftist shit
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 8/1/2023 1:21 AM
I'm going to do that once I stop being broke
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Aces high
should have stuffed the free library full of leftist shit
Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/1/2023 2:48 AM
what we do in our town lol we control most of the free libraries.
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Always have to clean out the Jehovah's witness propaganda that always ends up there tho
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str8 up demon 8/1/2023 10:56 AM
sweet
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i debated our local witnesses
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won
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then showed them my satanic temple card
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/1/2023 12:22 PM
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/1/2023 12:22 PM
Is that your drip?
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str8 up demon
then showed them my satanic temple card
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/1/2023 1:04 PM
I just whip out my Mjulnir pendant
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Is that your drip?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/1/2023 1:31 PM
Indeed it is.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Indeed it is.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/1/2023 3:32 PM
Nice! Working on finishing my kit.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/1/2023 9:55 PM
Anyone have experience with Rock Island Armoryโ€™s Model 200? Found a cheap one online in great shape, and Iโ€™m looking at grabbing it, and Iโ€™m wondering if yโ€™all think itโ€™s worth it. $199, very gently used
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/1/2023 10:17 PM
i really want to get one
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as far as i can tell they are some fine pieces of work
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/2/2023 12:18 AM
Sweet
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/2/2023 12:20 AM
also, as far as i can tell over there, pretty cheap new
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like
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
i really want to get one
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/2/2023 12:20 AM
Iโ€™ll send you the link, you can pick it up first
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/2/2023 12:20 AM
the cheapest new good gun you could find
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/2/2023 12:21 AM
I need to save up a bit of money for a new safe first
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/2/2023 12:21 AM
You can snag it before me if youโ€™d like
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
You can snag it before me if youโ€™d like
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/2/2023 12:21 AM
few problems not 18 no liscence i live in Panama
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lol
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i can buy one
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/2/2023 12:21 AM
Ahhh
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/2/2023 12:21 AM
but it has to be new
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/2/2023 12:21 AM
Gotcha
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/2/2023 12:22 AM
and its gonna cost me 200 more than in the states
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/2/2023 12:22 AM
Gotcha
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Gofundme: get the AIF Cavalry new service pistols
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/2/2023 12:23 AM
XD
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/2/2023 12:23 AM
Dual wield them, while riding a bike
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/2/2023 12:23 AM
now i like that idea
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Anyone have experience with Rock Island Armoryโ€™s Model 200? Found a cheap one online in great shape, and Iโ€™m looking at grabbing it, and Iโ€™m wondering if yโ€™all think itโ€™s worth it. $199, very gently used
Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/2/2023 3:18 AM
Its an OK starter gun. No frills. Point and shoot. However it isn't recommended you use +P rounds on it though the manufacture says it is "ok".
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I had a RIA 1911 for a few years and loved it.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/2/2023 3:16 PM
Those philipinos make some good weaponry
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/2/2023 7:06 PM
Iโ€™ll keep this short. I count myself among the defenders of private gun ownership, because I am an anarchist and I see utility in having a population that can challenge the state monopoly on violence if needed. Despite this, I am highly critical of right wing gun culture and itโ€™s simple manichean narratives that cast...
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/3/2023 6:01 PM
Yes what you like tbh. If it works for best for you, thatโ€™s the best gun you can get (edited)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/3/2023 8:42 PM
the 1911 is good when you really need something dead
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Thats the joke, it's not better
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/5/2023 10:21 AM
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/5/2023 2:38 PM
Kel-Tec Shotguns:
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/5/2023 2:38 PM
Bros trying to be futuristic
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/5/2023 2:42 PM
Not sure what the IWI TS-12 would be.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Kel-Tec Shotguns:
AvoidOblivion 8/5/2023 4:00 PM
I find their shotguns rather fascinating. Theyโ€™re bullpup, so you get plenty of barrel for not much weapon. I donโ€™t know much about shotguns in general, but I can imagine the bullpup design makes it good for self-defense in a home.
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I find their shotguns rather fascinating. Theyโ€™re bullpup, so you get plenty of barrel for not much weapon. I donโ€™t know much about shotguns in general, but I can imagine the bullpup design makes it good for self-defense in a home.
Blahaj Blaster 8/6/2023 10:21 AM
Sucks for reliability though. But that's probably more on keltec than bullpup shotguns as a whole
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Sucks for reliability though. But that's probably more on keltec than bullpup shotguns as a whole
Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/6/2023 4:12 PM
I always considered them a "gun for fun" not a "gun to get the job done."
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/11/2023 8:50 PM
The Illinois Supreme Court found the state's assault weapons ban constitutional Friday, overturning a lower court decision.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 9:10 PM
not this bullshit again
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if this continues
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we will need to return to line infantry as to concentrate fire on the enemy
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 10:26 PM
Hot take, but this is fucking irrelevant and doesnโ€™t matter for anything. โ€œbAyOnEt lUgS aNd fLaSh hIdErS dOnโ€™T mAkE A rIfLe mOrE dAnGeRoUs!โ€ Then why do you give a fuck? It doesnโ€™t effect the rifle, really at all, so quitchabitching
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 10:36 PM
I'm sorry what?
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the whole field of battle was changed by the goddamn bayonet
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it is a dangerous piece of tech
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Hot take, but this is fucking irrelevant and doesnโ€™t matter for anything. โ€œbAyOnEt lUgS aNd fLaSh hIdErS dOnโ€™T mAkE A rIfLe mOrE dAnGeRoUs!โ€ Then why do you give a fuck? It doesnโ€™t effect the rifle, really at all, so quitchabitching
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/11/2023 10:46 PM
Because they won't stop there. Also some of these things like flash hiders and barrel shrouds are safety measures to make the gun easier to handle. (edited)
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/11/2023 11:01 PM
UGH. Well glad I don't live in Illinois, also it doesn't matter SCOTUS will likely revere this, tbh.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
the whole field of battle was changed by the goddamn bayonet
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:32 PM
Not as much as you think. It was the pike that lead to the tactical shifts that created bayonet tactics, as demonstrated by Ga-Pa. Also, and I quote โ€œWhen was the last time you heard about an inner city gang war with a bayonet charge?โ€
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:33 PM
tell that to a regiment of horse facing a square of bayonets, thanks to it, you didn't need a big spear, you HAD the big spear and a gun
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:35 PM
You do know they could defeat those squares right? Cavalry regularly did it. They stopped heavy cavalry, not light cavalry, whoโ€™d just shoot holes into them, and the formation was largely impractical if the enemy had their artillery or infantry capable of attacking them.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
tell that to a regiment of horse facing a square of bayonets, thanks to it, you didn't need a big spear, you HAD the big spear and a gun
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:35 PM
And also, look up the tactic of Ga-Pa.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:35 PM
yeah yeah i know Ga-Pa
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the caroleans
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:37 PM
2/3 of your army was equipped with firearms, and one third with pikes. It was much more effective than the bayonet for a reason. The reason the bayonet took over was largely one of cost, more than efficacy
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It was the gun part that proved more significant there, but the bayonet allowed you to be a good enough pikeman when needed
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
2/3 of your army was equipped with firearms, and one third with pikes. It was much more effective than the bayonet for a reason. The reason the bayonet took over was largely one of cost, more than efficacy
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:38 PM
you still have one bit of your army not firing, while the enemy is firing all of their weapons (edited)
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there is a reason pike and shot died
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although it was a cool period ngl
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:39 PM
It lasted Much longer than you think
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:39 PM
sure did, still went away
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:39 PM
The French and British armies both used pikes into rhe 1740s, and halberdโ€™s remained in use through the American and French Revolutions
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
sure did, still went away
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:41 PM
Because of the changes to the scale of warfare, and the bayonet allowed more of your army to be a gun centric force. Again, the pike was better at doing what the bayonet was used for, but the bayonet meant you could do without it, but that pile was still very effective when employed
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:41 PM
exactly
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the bayonnet still replaced the pike, it was good, but all good things come to an end
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after the early 18th the pike was more of a desperate measure
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:42 PM
This is an example of what I call a โ€œNon-Engaged Argumentโ€
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:42 PM
as seen in the civil war
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
after the early 18th the pike was more of a desperate measure
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:43 PM
Both Russia and Sweden used them into the 1810s, and they were widespread in the non western world, and even were widely used during Irish and polish uprisings
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:43 PM
really? I seriously can't find anything supporting that
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
This is an example of what I call a โ€œNon-Engaged Argumentโ€
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:44 PM
Iโ€™d like to clarify this. This is basically what I call what happens when two people basically agree on something, but end up arguing two different things, basically because they donโ€™t realize what the other guy is arguing
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Iโ€™d like to clarify this. This is basically what I call what happens when two people basically agree on something, but end up arguing two different things, basically because they donโ€™t realize what the other guy is arguing
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:45 PM
still a better talk than what happens a lo tof the times here XD
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
really? I seriously can't find anything supporting that
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:45 PM
To be fair, itโ€™s very much a case of desperation in both Ireland and Poland, and it was done more in Sweden as an Anti-Cavalry tactic, and in use by defensive troops on things like cannons and fortifications, and was in use in Russia because of military backwardness
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still a better talk than what happens a lo tof the times here XD
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:46 PM
I just realized what happened halfway through and didnโ€™t want it to end going badly, so I pointed it out
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No harm meant
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:46 PM
no harm done!
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:47 PM
Mexico also used Pikes in the Mexican American war, and they did prove effective in charges and in defense against cavalry, but again, it was very much a measure of desperation, since much of their best equipment had already been lost
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Admittedly, all of these were better than Britain in WWII who tried to bring pikes back for the war, and failed at even properly making a pike
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:48 PM
Lmfao
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/11/2023 11:50 PM
They made 250,000 spears by shoving bayonets into lengths of pipe about 4-5 feet long, and planned to issue them to the Homeguard
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Fortunately, they never got used, and were just left in their warehouses
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Apparently it came from a misunderstanding of a remark Churchill made, where he said "every man must have a weapon of some sort, be it only a mace or a pike".
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He meant it rhetorically, and someone somewhere thought he meant it literally
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/11/2023 11:56 PM
i don't blame them, god knows how anyone could understand Churchill
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/17/2023 3:36 PM
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I'm getting tired of this shit. This literally helps no one. It doesn't reduce gun crime, it stops us from protecting ourselves from reactionaries.
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gravybaby420 8/20/2023 12:03 AM
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/20/2023 7:04 AM
A fellow revolver enjoyer!
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Got the right set up.
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I carry my revolver as my side-side arm
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/21/2023 7:20 PM
least likely to jamn on you
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good choise
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i really wanna get a revolver
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its definately not because i watched a fistfull of dollar
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Glock + AR is definitely the meta though
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/21/2023 7:26 PM
tru
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not as cool tho
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 8/21/2023 7:46 PM
7 more months until I get to buy a gun
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/21/2023 7:55 PM
nice
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very nice
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 8/21/2023 8:10 PM
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/21/2023 10:26 PM
Yea buddy!
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Was good enough to post twice.
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I actually got out to the range with my new gun for the first time yesterday. Was good.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/23/2023 6:02 PM
Even 4chan gets it.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Even 4chan gets it.
Blahaj Blaster 8/23/2023 6:38 PM
Someone had this I'm their recomemded on reddit
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Blahaj Blaster
Someone had this I'm their recomemded on reddit
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/23/2023 6:39 PM
Yep. Caught me by surprise given 4chan's... well, 4chan.
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Broken clock moment?
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/23/2023 7:08 PM
they'll get it right half the time but then they'll always say "BECUASE THE JEWS"
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and then fuck it up completely
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker
they'll get it right half the time but then they'll always say "BECUASE THE JEWS"
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/23/2023 7:35 PM
yep, they'll say the most true shit ever and just say "And its all because of the Jews" or another minority
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker
they'll get it right half the time but then they'll always say "BECUASE THE JEWS"
Blahaj Blaster 8/23/2023 7:43 PM
That's probably the first response tbh (edited)
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Seen this comment before, I wanna fuckin' break shit when I do lemme tell ya. 20 years ago this fuck woulda said the same about gay people.
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then get arms
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they wanna talk gun control but their gun control is only in the GOP's interest. Likewise a good lawyer
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seriously any good lawyer would rip this apart in court, especially given most psychiatrist would go "no, trans aren't mentally ill, you stupid shits"
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/24/2023 9:17 PM
Bought an M1A Scout Rifle and am going to put a scout scope on it. It comes pre-camo'd so it'll be a nice recce rifle for hunting. Get to pick it up this weekend and put it through its paces!
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Not mine but best photo I can find!
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/24/2023 9:48 PM
I send real picks when I get the beast.
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Aces high
seriously any good lawyer would rip this apart in court, especially given most psychiatrist would go "no, trans aren't mentally ill, you stupid shits"
It only matters as far as people are willing to go. We're supposedly a secular country but that hasn't stopped the religious right from hijacking everything and the government just letting them.
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well, we could, if the secular folk decide to its time to scare the religious right again
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cause in point, Temecula schoolboard
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Aces high
cause in point, Temecula schoolboard
Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/25/2023 3:47 PM
Scare the religious right? You son of a bitch, I'm in!
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Alright first we need numbers and a general agreement to break in school board meetings. And some decent laws. First rule is keep arms at home. Save that shit for aiding protests (if asked).
3:55 PM
These fucks get in through schoolboards
3:55 PM
Scare them away, they lose a major foothold
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/25/2023 4:07 PM
Glork post.
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Aces high
seriously any good lawyer would rip this apart in court, especially given most psychiatrist would go "no, trans aren't mentally ill, you stupid shits"
str8 up demon 8/28/2023 4:10 PM
psychologists* psychiatrists pair you with the medication
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sorry
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Thank you
4:18 PM
Auto correct fuck me up
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str8 up demon 8/28/2023 7:42 PM
no worries
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Glork post.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/28/2023 8:52 PM
TEAM GLOCK!
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Took mine out to the range yesterday.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 8/29/2023 2:27 PM
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 3:03 PM
anger
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 4:35 PM
Honestly, can yโ€™all stfu about this? You all know itโ€™s just posturing? Because the Fascists and their oligarchic supporters in the NRA are as opposed to this as us, and the biggest Doners to these proposals are Fucking Remington, Colt, and Marlin, because panics drive up their stock prices. This is just an echo chamber circle jerk at this point, and youโ€™re falling for propaganda by to convince you to buy more guns and ammo. This is empty posturing, and itโ€™s clearly going nowhere. The Dems are happy to take money to say empty words
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Post gun pics or shut the fuck up (edited)
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/29/2023 6:20 PM
Like my new backup carry?
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Gerber for scale!
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Also cats!
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Gerber for scale!
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 6:29 PM
Lovely! What model is it?
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/29/2023 6:52 PM
SW MP Bodyguard 38. I love revolvers personally. It shoots well and doesn't bite your fingers like a lot of j frame revolvers do.
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Gonna put a light on it when I get a chance.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 7:38 PM
Iโ€™m looking at a Rock Island Model 200 Myself
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 7:48 PM
Yoooo, same here
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although that is a far off dream
7:49 PM
with how pricey they are here....well every gun is pricey as hell in Panama
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/29/2023 8:13 PM
Yea RI made my favorite pistol. A simple milspec 1911 in the old minimalist style. Loved it but sadly had to sell it to make ends meet years ago.
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Seriously reliable for a budget handgun tbh.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:36 PM
dream guns in all honesty G3 FN FAL STG44 M1911 Automag .44 Colt Python C93/96 Colt single action Navy(the navy one is better looking than the army one, fight me)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
dream guns in all honesty G3 FN FAL STG44 M1911 Automag .44 Colt Python C93/96 Colt single action Navy(the navy one is better looking than the army one, fight me)
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:41 PM
Ewwww, STG-44. Gross. Those things are absolute trash
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:42 PM
hey
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i like the classics
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i grew up on ww2 shooters
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:42 PM
Then get a Garand
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:42 PM
garand's good
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:42 PM
Or an M1 Carbine
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:43 PM
although i find axis guns far more exotic
8:43 PM
the italian weapons are definatley interesting
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:43 PM
Theyโ€™re exotic but they suck
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Theyโ€™re exotic but they suck
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:43 PM
and THATS
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my whole shtick
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
the italian weapons are definatley interesting
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:43 PM
The Italians are actually neat
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:43 PM
what can you expect from someone who's dream car is a 77 new yorker
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:43 PM
The Japanese Arisaka is also good
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:44 PM
someone who's favorite jet fighter is the mig-21
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
what can you expect from someone who's dream car is a 77 new yorker
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:44 PM
Fair nuff
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
The Japanese Arisaka is also good
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:44 PM
tru
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i love the engravings they had on the safety
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
someone who's favorite jet fighter is the mig-21
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:44 PM
Phantom 2 and F2H banshee all the way
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:44 PM
very nice choises
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the phantom is such a great machine
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the banshee....
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it strikes a name
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:45 PM
Banshee came out in 47, so it was good for the time
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:45 PM
ah
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now i know which one you're talking about
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although, i do have good taste for prop fighters
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Spitfire my beloved
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:45 PM
Also the F4D Skyray, because that slaps
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Corsair and Thunderbolt
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
Spitfire my beloved
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:45 PM
you can blame watching battle of britain at a very young age for that
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:46 PM
Give me S P E E D
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:46 PM
XD
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F22 is good SU-57 is good looking i think you know how this goes
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if i found the A-10 cool i would like it
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but i don't
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
F22 is good SU-57 is good looking i think you know how this goes
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:48 PM
not to imply the f22 is not good looking, they probably hired a renaissance artist to design it with how good it looks (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:48 PM
It suck but itโ€™s cool looking
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The A10
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
The A10
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:49 PM
it looks stupid to me
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:49 PM
Honestly the A6 is better
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
it looks stupid to me
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:49 PM
I like ugly bitches
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Hence why I nailed your mom (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Honestly the A6 is better
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:49 PM
the goofy looking planes
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Hence why I nailed your mom (edited)
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:50 PM
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my mother is a very pretty lady thank you very much
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:50 PM
But yeah, the A6 is absolutely amazing
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Look at this bitch
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Sex on wings
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Also, I have a very hot plane take
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Sex on wings
AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:54 PM
ahah
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hahahaha
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HAHAHAHAHA
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hahahaha
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shit shit shit
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I'VE BEEN FOUND
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:56 PM
F4 Phantom > F14 Tomcat
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 8:57 PM
I find that i like a lot of planes in an equal level some i like more than others, but most i just like in general
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unless its an A-10 which is the only plane i actually hate
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 8:59 PM
F-14 was just kinda a maintaince bitch, and had a lot of problems
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Not bad, but deeply flawed
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 9:03 PM
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
dream guns in all honesty G3 FN FAL STG44 M1911 Automag .44 Colt Python C93/96 Colt single action Navy(the navy one is better looking than the army one, fight me)
Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/29/2023 9:52 PM
M1911 is my all time favorite handgun. There's no stopping the classic. I mean even sell my AK to get that bad boy. I shot it over the weekend and it was very, very nice. My next purchase is probably going to be this beast. https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/hellion-556-rifle/ (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Or an M1 Carbine
Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/29/2023 9:54 PM
Just bought the modernized version and will be picking up soon.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Just bought the modernized version and will be picking up soon.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 8/29/2023 11:06 PM
Bitchin!
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 8/29/2023 11:06 PM
hella
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Margaret talks with firearms historian Karl Kasarda about two WWII snipers on the Eastern Front defending their homeland a Finnish man and a Ukrainian woman who couldn't have been more different.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/30/2023 7:22 PM
Lyudmila Pavlichenko was a GOAT.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 8/30/2023 9:34 PM
WHY GODS WHY?!?!
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str8 up demon 9/1/2023 11:31 AM
gotta love the buttplug action rifle
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Been meaning to get into that podcast. ๐Ÿ™‚ Margaret Killjoy is fuckin' awesome.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 9/3/2023 1:02 AM
https://youtube.com/shorts/GzuG416Nw6k?si=HCzh6oiT1L2VU9tW The way this guy handles the gun makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
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AvoidOblivion 9/3/2023 1:01 PM
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/3/2023 1:57 PM
lmfao
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Jeanclaudejunior 9/3/2023 2:29 PM
Cursed
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 6:40 PM
So Iโ€™m looking at an optic for my rifle build, and Iโ€™m looking at a Monstrum Banshee 1-6x LPVO, and it looks like a very affordable optic, but Iโ€™m curious if anyone has experience with this optic, especially on an AK?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
So Iโ€™m looking at an optic for my rifle build, and Iโ€™m looking at a Monstrum Banshee 1-6x LPVO, and it looks like a very affordable optic, but Iโ€™m curious if anyone has experience with this optic, especially on an AK?
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What kind of AK are you running
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The Banshee is a good optic but personally I wouldnt run it on an AK. If you have a Zastava or some other highly reputable brand I say go for it, but that optic is better suited for the m4/ar15 platform
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The Banshee is a good optic but personally I wouldnt run it on an AK. If you have a Zastava or some other highly reputable brand I say go for it, but that optic is better suited for the m4/ar15 platform
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:15 PM
Found a good deal on a Zavasta
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So thatโ€™s what it will be
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My man
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:16 PM
Itโ€™s used, but in extremely good shape.
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Iโ€™m going to run a side mounted pic rail
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The rifle does have a side rail mount
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What cal does it fire
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:17 PM
7.62x39
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Nice
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Friend of mine has a 5.56 zastava (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:19 PM
I want a bit more smack, and 7.62x39 is cheap here, same price as 5.56
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Lucky
9:19 PM
I have to pay through the nose for it
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
So thatโ€™s what it will be
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/3/2023 9:19 PM
Love Zavasta's work.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:20 PM
Itโ€™s 45 cents a round here, 5.56 is sitting at 42
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No shit???
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:20 PM
Yep
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Dam might have to move lol
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/3/2023 9:20 PM
Yea 7.62 and 5.56 are about the same
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At least here in the states.
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One of the reasons I decided on a Zavasta instead of a AR15 style rifle.
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Im paying like 70 cents a round here
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Might just be range prices sucking balls
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:22 PM
I was looking at an AK-103, about the same price as the Zavasta, but m70 was 50 dollars cheaper
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So I picked that one
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/3/2023 9:23 PM
Yea they are solid guns for the price one of the best ak47s you can get.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:24 PM
That muzzle brake appeals to me tho
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If PSA drops their price on that AK 103, I might pick it up, but Iโ€™m definitely leaning towards the M70
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This is the muzzle i run
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If anyone runs ar15 platform I reccomend
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 9:32 PM
I want a big fuck off 74 style brake
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/3/2023 9:48 PM
IMHO i wouldn't worry about the PSA, I'd stick with the M70. I love mine.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/3/2023 10:04 PM
Honestly, that brake is really calling to me, but the price difference is leading me to lean to the Zavasta
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Zastava all the way
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/4/2023 8:49 AM
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Ive got a Zastava EZ9 p226 clon e
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Its a solid pistol.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/4/2023 3:28 PM
So PSA did drop the price of the 103 clones, so Iโ€™ll probably snag that now.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/4/2023 4:03 PM
Stick with Zastava its a better rifle.
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NGNMGoon
Ive got a Zastava EZ9 p226 clon e
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40 cal p226 is one of my favorite handguns ive ever owned
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Amazing
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Its 9mm but its still pretty fucking decent.
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I like it more than my glock.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Stick with Zastava its a better rifle.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/4/2023 4:05 PM
I understand what youโ€™re saying, however, counter-argument:
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Am poor
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Zastava are pretty mid price.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/4/2023 4:06 PM
I'll say this. With guns. It's better to save a little to get a better gun than settle and get a crappier one.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/4/2023 4:06 PM
The 103 is 100 bucks cheaper now
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/4/2023 4:07 PM
Remember you are essentially buying something that could save your life and you don't want to skimp on the cost and just eat ramen for a few days to make it up.
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lol
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NGNMGoon
Its 9mm but its still pretty fucking decent.
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The standard issue one for police and military was 40 cal in the late 90s and early 2000s
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This is a civilian one from Zastava USA. Its 9mm but its also a clone.
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Alot of people didnt like it cause it was in 40 but its heavy enough of a frame that i dont mind it (edited)
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Its not too heavy, and its not too light but it wouldnt call it perfect for me.
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Epic
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My biggest issue with it is that the trigger pull is garbage.
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I would like to change it but I dont know if it would be compatible with a p226 aftermarket trigger.
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Like the magazines are almost identical except the zastavas have a cut you have to put in the p226 mags to make them compatible.
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I wanted an extended magazine but that was a concern.
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Ive never messed with extended mags
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If i got a 1911 i probably would tho
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I wanted a 30 round magazine for it.
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Y Reload?
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Fair enough lol
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At that point bring a rifle (edited)
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This is my cc
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I have a .50 Beowulf upper on the way and 3 60 round drums.
4:18 PM
I fucking love Ohio lmao
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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘
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Someones gonna have fun huh?
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I have a broken down car that needs scrapped and a binary trigger.
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So yes, Im about to have a lot of fun.
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Lol
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Ive never messed with bianary triggers but i have done a silly with my belt loop before
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You got a belted rifle?
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No lol
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I mean bump
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Ohh.
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Lmao
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๐Ÿคซ
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The binary trigger is a gimmick for the most part but I like the option.
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and 2 round burst is enough tbh.
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Ive been scared to get one because ive heard they jam
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But they look fun
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I havent heard any problems.
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Put it in safety and clear the malfunction like you would.
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There are youtube vids to help with all that.
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haven't had*
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Im running a palmetto too.
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A friend of mine tried building a rifle the other week, called me and his bolt was stuck in the buffer tube so you couldnt get the upper off the lower, and when i got it apart the firing pin was in backwards lol
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Not sure if i should give him the rifle with the pin back or not
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NGNMGoon
Im running a palmetto too.
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PSA is good
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I get some shit for it from some people.
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I dont like their furniture but other than that they are solid
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I've also heard that they're lowers have a hard time with higher calibers than .223/5.56
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I'll find out I guess.
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I'm doing 4 builds.
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458 Socom, .50 Beowulf, and .450 Bushmaster
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Buying all the uppers, then building them one by one.
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I already have my standard AR and a .22lr conversion kit so I can practice good habits.
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by the end of next year I'll go from 3 guns to 12.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/5/2023 12:20 AM
M70 sold
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Looks like Iโ€™m going to be getting the 103
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Hello everyone. I'm new around here and slowly trying to adjust to learning about this discord. I'm into guns, so I was told to come on over and share the love and stuff hehe.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/5/2023 12:45 AM
Hell yeah Brother!
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Share away
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Panther115 9/5/2023 3:19 AM
@Eazy8 Antifa Viking appreciate it my Bru! Hope to see some food stuff around here with many of y'all.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
Looks like Iโ€™m going to be getting the 103
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/5/2023 6:12 AM
Sometimes nature makes the decision for you!
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Panther115 9/5/2023 6:49 AM
@Eazy8 Antifa Viking 103 is a good choice. I'm planning on getting a SAM7R but I'm saving up after I just bought an AP5 this past week.
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Panther115
Hello everyone. I'm new around here and slowly trying to adjust to learning about this discord. I'm into guns, so I was told to come on over and share the love and stuff hehe.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/5/2023 7:50 AM
Welcome to the "club"! (edited)
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Panther115 9/5/2023 8:15 AM
@Stolas_of_the_Stars appreciate my Bru! Came over to see what I can bring to the table since my last groups wasn't exactly in my alley. But I'm happy to learn and see what's there to learn.
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Panther115
Hello everyone. I'm new around here and slowly trying to adjust to learning about this discord. I'm into guns, so I was told to come on over and share the love and stuff hehe.
Welcome. I hope you have a nice time. Do you have a pewpew of choice? Myself, I"m just getting into guns.
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Panther115 9/6/2023 8:25 PM
@Zannheim AKs and German guns have always been my peek interest. I just bought an MP5K clone and I'm working on SBRing it once it arrives. Hard to pick a favorite though hehe.
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@Zannheim AKs and German guns have always been my peek interest. I just bought an MP5K clone and I'm working on SBRing it once it arrives. Hard to pick a favorite though hehe.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/6/2023 10:02 PM
Yea big fan of AKs as per above. I love what is coming out of springfield armory. I recently got a M1A scout rifle that I am using for a mix of hunting and defense. I am in love with their bullup hellion and will probably purchase it whenever I get the chance. (edited)
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I would love to SBR an AK and make a vityaz.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Yea big fan of AKs as per above. I love what is coming out of springfield armory. I recently got a M1A scout rifle that I am using for a mix of hunting and defense. I am in love with their bullup hellion and will probably purchase it whenever I get the chance. (edited)
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/6/2023 10:27 PM
If it wasnโ€™t so insanely expensive Iโ€™d love an M1A
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If it wasnโ€™t so insanely expensive Iโ€™d love an M1A
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/6/2023 10:28 PM
I worked two full time jobs last year for two things (A) live it up in Europe and (B) get an M1A! Burned me out. But totally WORTH IT!
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/6/2023 10:30 PM
Iโ€™m just gonna stick with my AK-103 for now
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Because money
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/6/2023 10:44 PM
It's a gun that'll get the job done! While there are often "better" versions, the reality is the big named ones are all variations of good. So you'll be fine and you'll love it. Totally an AK guy, the original fascist slayer.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
It's a gun that'll get the job done! While there are often "better" versions, the reality is the big named ones are all variations of good. So you'll be fine and you'll love it. Totally an AK guy, the original fascist slayer.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/6/2023 10:50 PM
Nah, thatโ€™s the Garand. I might get one of them from the CMP after Iโ€™m done with my AK set up
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/6/2023 10:51 PM
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/6/2023 10:52 PM
I may commit blasphemy when I do that eventually
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Iโ€™ll try to find an old Garand scope, like a proper period Sniper variant Scope, and mount it
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@Stolas_of_the_Stars how was Europe for ya? Been there 5 times last year to visit my wife and family. Fun place.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
I may commit blasphemy when I do that eventually
Jeanclaudejunior 9/7/2023 1:43 AM
Blasphemy is protected by the first amendment to the United States constitution
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@Stolas_of_the_Stars how was Europe for ya? Been there 5 times last year to visit my wife and family. Fun place.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/7/2023 8:01 AM
Loved it. Went to France and Portugal. Very nice time.
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Panther115 9/7/2023 8:04 AM
@Stolas_of_the_Stars can't blame you hehe. Been all over and was there last year for Christmas and New Year's. Now we're working on bringing her here to become part of the American dream....ish.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/7/2023 3:20 PM
Lyon was amazing. Lisbon was my happy place. Paris was, well, Paris. Did enjoy running on the river. The best was just pretentious people being pretentious. (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/10/2023 10:50 AM
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/10/2023 6:09 PM
My new bae came in today. I am in love.
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I'm not great at pictures. But there's the beast. It comes with the old army field manual too. (edited)
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 9/10/2023 8:03 PM
Thumper!
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/10/2023 8:27 PM
Its loud AF but shoots nicely!
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/13/2023 1:35 PM
Mans not wrong.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/15/2023 6:47 PM
New here. But this is my other area of expertise/passion. I was a firearms salesman for many years, all throughout my time in college.
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I know a lot about firearms legislation and laws, and a lot about firearms technically/historically. I'm a good shooter and have hundreds of hours on the range throughout my time.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/15/2023 6:50 PM
Haven't watched the video yet. But the best way to defend your home is to have a plan of what to do/where to go when there's an intruder. Best practice is not to seek them but to let them come to you.
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You know your home best, find defensible positions and practices and have a plan of what to do.
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Secure yourself/your family and generally it's best to stay in place in a defensible and secure location
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/15/2023 9:19 PM
yea having a safe room or safe part of the house for family in that situation is a must. Then you know you aren't shooting into family.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ
New here. But this is my other area of expertise/passion. I was a firearms salesman for many years, all throughout my time in college.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/15/2023 9:21 PM
Pleasure to have you aboard. Currently in the process of getting a NFA stamp on my KP-9 so I cann have a homemade vityaz. Gonna be my project for the year. Deck it out. Suppressor. Red Dot. Brace. Vertical grip. The works.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/15/2023 9:21 PM
Fuck yeah
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/15/2023 9:22 PM
Gonna be like this when done.
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Love my AK-family shooters. Have a Serbian AK as my main piece. Need something light and snappy for home defense, super fun plinking.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/15/2023 9:23 PM
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My 10.5 build
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Need a light next
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Sling too
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Would like to get a dedicated 5.56 can, this is a dead air sandman S 30 cal can
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And change the optic on the rifle to something lighter lol
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
yea having a safe room or safe part of the house for family in that situation is a must. Then you know you aren't shooting into family.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/15/2023 9:29 PM
you reminded me of a line from a weird al yankovic song
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/15/2023 9:31 PM
Nice!
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/15/2023 9:33 PM
Yea my biggest worry is this rush to arm teachers. Invariably a teacher is going to end up accidentally shooting kid(s) in a high stress situation when they get tunnel vision due to adrenaline and lack of training.
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Or a teacher uses the gun to cap the idiot schoolboard member trying to force them to do a stupid policy
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Or a student steals the gun
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Or one of the two kill the principal
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There's a lot of reasons to NOT HAVE GUNS ON A SCHOOL GROUND
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 12:32 AM
i think thats a very duh statement
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Aces high
Or a student steals the gun
You see the story where a cop left his gun in a bathroom at a store recently?
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It jus made me think of it cause you said stealing
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 12:45 AM
Man I would keep it
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Calls back like "Hey did you find a gun in the bathroom?"
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
Man I would keep it
FR. "UH NO GUN HERE SIR/MA'AM. SORRY."
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lmao
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People were like "It's your tax dollars so you can just keep it." XD
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Also the store was kid-themed so that was just great too.
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FR. "UH NO GUN HERE SIR/MA'AM. SORRY."
AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 12:46 AM
What do you mean sir, the pistol shaped bulge in my pants is because I am very happy to see you sir!
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You see the story where a cop left his gun in a bathroom at a store recently?
......this is why cop immunity is a mistake More seriously this shit could be scary
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That but unironically. They get so much immunity for everything. If I left a gun somewhere that would be super bad.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 12:47 AM
for obvious reasons
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Tbf this I notice depends on state
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CA cops still get away with too much shit but ironically leaving guns isn't one of their crimes. They can get into some DEEP shit here
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Like losing their job kind (abet usually cause their ass got fired)
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But still what the shit
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I have a fucking panic attack if I left a flash drive, how do you not notice a GUN missing?!
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 12:50 AM
He should staple his balls real tight before he leaves them at home one day
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Not only that, WHY DID YOU TAKE YOUR GUN OUT OF YOUR HOLSTER
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Aces high
I have a fucking panic attack if I left a flash drive, how do you not notice a GUN missing?!
A) right and B) WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU TAKE IT OUT
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Not only that, WHY DID YOU TAKE YOUR GUN OUT OF YOUR HOLSTER
Immediate thought.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Gonna be like this when done.
Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 12:53 AM
Since you mentioned you like AKs. Here's my Hungarian AK. It's technically called an SA-2000 but it's got the fixed stock of the Hungarian AK-63 but it's got the gas system of a Hungarian AMD-65
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 12:53 AM
I take my phone out of my pocket when I sit down and feek uncomfortavle I WOULDN'T TAKE THE GUN OUT OF MY HOLSTER IF I FELT UNCOMFORTABLE also thats a really nice AK
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 12:54 AM
And I got a custom gas tube made for it. The AMD-65 gas system is shorter than the standard pattern AK and it comes naked, burned myself one too many times and decided to get a gas tube made that can take furniture
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To save my thumb lol
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 12:54 AM
lol
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
I take my phone out of my pocket when I sit down and feek uncomfortavle I WOULDN'T TAKE THE GUN OUT OF MY HOLSTER IF I FELT UNCOMFORTABLE also thats a really nice AK
Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 12:59 AM
Good advice
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On the gun part
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Never take your gun out of your holster frivolously.
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Either you're using it, putting it up, taking it out to shoot at the range, or maybe if you're using the restroom
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 1:00 AM
Feels like something everyone should know but there are some dense mfrs out thrre
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
Feels like something everyone should know but there are some dense mfrs out thrre
Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 1:00 AM
Lots of cops lol
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 1:00 AM
Lmao
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true that
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 1:00 AM
Cops seem to leave their guns in places more often than should be happening
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 1:01 AM
They also like doing "Group excetsises" if you know what i mean
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ
Good advice
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 8:04 AM
Like a Samurai. Never draw or sword unless you need to use it.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 10:04 AM
Is there any place in the world with the same gun freedoms as the U.S
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while you're dreamin big how bout queer and women's rights as well? I want both. I don't wanna choose or compromise on either. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 10:26 AM
cmon man ๐Ÿ˜‘
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don't pull on my anarcho-strings
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Anyways I really do want to get into the hobbt
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*hobby
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but idk where esle I can get guns in the world
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 12:19 PM
Yea I like guns and diversity. Fuck me right? Where does that fit politically in the US? ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 12:36 PM
lol
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 1:30 PM
Nice
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HAVE AT THEE SCALLIWAGS!
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Yea I like guns and diversity. Fuck me right? Where does that fit politically in the US? ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 3:59 PM
Don't have to fit yourself into any political ideology
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I like guns, but also believe in reasonable gun laws. And what we have rn imo is not reasonable
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Bring pro gun doesn't mean pro idiocy
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 3:59 PM
Exactly.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:00 PM
I personally am against banning semi automatic rifles, and banning features. It's entirely ineffective and doesn't do much about the roots of gun violence in the US
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:00 PM
I hate how we always end up with binaries that are generally unrepresentative of the actual views of many Americans.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:00 PM
You're either pro gun or not it seems. Nuance seems to be lost nowadays
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:01 PM
Yea. I'm an "under no pretext" kind of guy. But I also believe firmly that rights have responsibilities and failure to tend to responsibilities = failure to uphold your side of the social contract.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:02 PM
Rights are not universally unrestricted, no matter what right it is. Free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, doesn't mean there are no restrictions whatsoever
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:03 PM
Yup
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:04 PM
Especially when it comes to potentially deadly tools like firearms. I believe every responsible American has the right to be sufficiently armed and trained, and they shouldn't have to face any undue or unfair hurdles to get there. But, for example, it wouldn't be a big deal to have to take a weekend long low cost training course before you can purchase a firearm.
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
I hate how we always end up with binaries that are generally unrepresentative of the actual views of many Americans.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:04 PM
critical thinking? whats the deal with that? seinfield theme starts playing
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:05 PM
Critical thinking is just marxist proganda /s
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:05 PM
XD
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:05 PM
What I HATE the most is when someone suggests that we should require exceptionally expensive Insurance to be able to buy a gun. Or throw a nutty tax on gun purchases. Not interested in only the wealthy being armed
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Critical thinking is just marxist proganda /s
AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:05 PM
and fascist propaganda depending on who you ask
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ
What I HATE the most is when someone suggests that we should require exceptionally expensive Insurance to be able to buy a gun. Or throw a nutty tax on gun purchases. Not interested in only the wealthy being armed
AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:06 PM
oh fuck no
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:06 PM
Yup. That's the "under no pretext" if the wealthy are the only people who can afford them then I become a working class arms dealer to make sure they have them.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:06 PM
that just reminds me of what we have right now
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in panama
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:06 PM
Pricing the common American out of gun ownership sounds like probably the worst thing that can happen.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:06 PM
a .38 special snubby costs 490 dollars
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and thats if you know where to get one
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:07 PM
It's weird when I went to the wealthy mall in Lima. They have an actual gun store in the mall.
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But they are hella fucking expensive and the only people that can get them are the gentrified people living in Mira Flores and San Borja
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AIF Cuirassier regiment
a .38 special snubby costs 490 dollars
Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:07 PM
It doesn't cost a whole hell of a lot less here. A Smith and Wesson 642 can easily run $400
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At least
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
My stubby was around 500
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ
It doesn't cost a whole hell of a lot less here. A Smith and Wesson 642 can easily run $400
AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
i'm talking a rock island armory M200
omegalul 1
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
Oh yea that one shouldn't be that much
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
that is the cheapest gun you can get
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
Oh yeah that's right
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
JESUS
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that thing IS NOT worth 400
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
pricing is fucking insane here
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
but it does get the job done on the cheap.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:08 PM
you can get a shotgun for a thousand and more so dollars
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like a grand and a half
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:09 PM
When I was a salesman I remember the 442 and 642 selling new for $399. But this was before covid
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Oh yea that one shouldn't be that much
AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:09 PM
the nickeled version is like 600
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and it still has a snubby barrel
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:09 PM
Still this gun is actually quite nice for the money
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The M 1911 GI standard is a great representation of the original US GI combat issue 1911 and is chambered in 45 ACP and built with our engineering standards.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:10 PM
also for some reason black powder guns are banned
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for some reason
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:10 PM
Dude Black powder guns are OP haven't you played Fallout 76?
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lol
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:10 PM
XD
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 4:10 PM
My S&W 66-8 Combat magnum in .357 mag
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:10 PM
sweats in depleted uranium
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:11 PM
one day....
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/16/2023 4:14 PM
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Nice. Definitely something puts on shades to shoot for....YEEEEEEEEAAAAAA
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 4:16 PM
lmao
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@AIF Cuirassier regiment
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 9/16/2023 5:06 PM
Gotcha
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 5:07 PM
I shoot both 300 blk and 5.56. Best practice is to mark/designate 300 blk mags and never use a 5.56 mag to load 300 blk
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I got all my 300 blk mags identified with red tape
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 9/16/2023 9:10 PM
My Mosin
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1942 produced, ukranian armorers refinish/refit.
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Lots of Soviet Russian produced mosins got sent over to Ukraine in the 70s/80s, literal thousands of crate fulls, and some of the worst condition ones got refitted and refinished by ukranian armorys
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ
My Mosin
AvoidOblivion 9/16/2023 9:25 PM
Beautiful.
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Galactic_Obama ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ
My Mosin
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 9/16/2023 10:17 PM
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
Really uhh, dangerous stuff taken off the streets.
Literally didn't acknowledge the most dangerous items in that room
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That's enough Potassium Nitrate to take down a skyscraper
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