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NordicThor_ 6/30/2022 8:45 AM
I suppose I’ll put the first message in here. I know we have a few people who started this up and seem to be taking the reins. Are we thinking of transitioning AIF to a more centralized organization with a hierarchy? Or are we wanting to stick with a decentralized organization? Any thoughts or other ideas?
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I think that here on the discord, we want to keep things as flat as possible structure wise, but obviously there will need to be some kind of structure. Interms of direct action, AIF is currently not really big enough to run our own rallies, but I think everyone is pro people taking initiative and getting a presence together for their local events. I can't say anything for certain, and these are just my views, but I believe that AIF has so far and will continue to trend towards a flatter, less controlling organizational structure. Cc @Dr_Diskette @WojtektheBear @Braakinthesaddle
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 9:11 AM
I think something that is both very effective and well within the groups capacity is creating pro democracy pro patriot memes to influence the framing of political debate and narratives online
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We can use the most effective tool of authoritarians to for democratic purposes
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Turn it on it's head
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If we focus our efforts to become the hub of pro democracy pro patriot efforts on Reddit and even the entire internet we can use that eco system to create and disseminate our framing via memetics
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I think that here on the discord, we want to keep things as flat as possible structure wise, but obviously there will need to be some kind of structure. Interms of direct action, AIF is currently not really big enough to run our own rallies, but I think everyone is pro people taking initiative and getting a presence together for their local events. I can't say anything for certain, and these are just my views, but I believe that AIF has so far and will continue to trend towards a flatter, less controlling organizational structure. Cc @Dr_Diskette @WojtektheBear @Braakinthesaddle
WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 9:17 AM
This is right
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 9:18 AM
The bucks got to stop somewhere as they say
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The bucks got to stop somewhere as they say
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 12:43 PM
This may come off as disingenuous coming from someone w an Admin tag, but I'm an anarchist. I believe that everyone bears some personal responsibility to pull their own weight in any org, esp a leftist one. I also believe that every member of the org should feel empowered to hold any other member accountable if necessary. We can all learn so many things from each other, and no one person can do everything. It will be important for people who find themselves in leadership roles - myself included - to remain humble and acknowledge the value of every other member of the org.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 12:44 PM
Leadership is not authoritarian
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Leadership is not authoritarian
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 12:44 PM
Very true
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 12:45 PM
You can be humble and take consultation and still have official leadership
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Ideally having no structure sounds nice but it just ends in failure. Without having someone or a few people who make a final decision accountability and delegating responsibility don't happen
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Ive been in groups with loose leadership. Burn out and mission creep happens because the load of responsibility ends up unevenly distributed.
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We don't need a vanguard party but we do need some orginzed leadership
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Being able to give your own input is very important to come up with good ideas and keep leadership accountable
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:57 PM
@Deleted User Have you read Tuckman’s stages of group development? I made a post on the information management channel. We have a nucleus forming around existing members of the Boston chapter, including @WojtektheBear. We will be doing that meeting soon to arrange action items to then figure out how to utilize people. This is just the beginning stages of organization (if you read the Tuckman’s stages). That is what our current expectations are.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 12:58 PM
I have not yet but will check it out
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Deleted User
You can be humble and take consultation and still have official leadership
WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 1:00 PM
Part of the reason at least nationally we prefer a decentralized horizontal model is that it would make infiltration and prosecutions under RICO for example much more difficult
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There is a need for leadership, but we also have to mitigate any potential damage or liability
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:01 PM
What is rico
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I've done organizing for a good many years
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We need to figure out our mission before anything else
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:02 PM
@WojtektheBear Put that all in the meeting. Spell out motivations for the model and work out if others agree to it.
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@Deleted User It’s a-coming
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:03 PM
The mission will lead to what structure is used
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Could I take part in this meeting?
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:04 PM
@Deleted User Check with @Farren. If you need discord access, check with @Dr_Diskette and @WojtektheBear.
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I've done organizing for a good many years
WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 1:04 PM
Expand on that
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:05 PM
I was an active member of dsa for 4 years and for srs for a round a year
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GG @Deleted User, you just advanced to level 5!
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:05 PM
I've seen alot
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I still orginze, with the democratic party nowadays
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Skullmaggot
@Deleted User Check with @Farren. If you need discord access, check with @Dr_Diskette and @WojtektheBear.
Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:06 PM
What do you mean by discord access?
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Anyway
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Decentralization on a national level works well for empowering local leadership who would be more effective at work in that region
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But small groups like us still need to coordinate in one place to pool our strength
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Because the amount in any given regions is not yet self sufficient
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austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 1:12 PM
This is great regarding the structured vs flat approaches https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm My takeaway is this: Human beings have a default structure and there is no such thing as truly flat. The default structure is "high school rules." Both from the link as well as my experience in other groups, this definitely seems to be the case. I think there's a lot of ways to introduce structure in a transparent and just way - many checks on power, rotations, elections, term limits, due process, etc... I think a healthy skepticism of any structure is the final and best check on structure, but that doesn't mean structure itself is always bad. Anyway, I don't have the answers or solutions - but this particular tug-of-war seems common especially in leftist groups and I think it's not an intractable problem, just a difficult one.
The Tyranny of Stuctureless by Jo Freeman
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:13 PM
I agree
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austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 1:13 PM
I also want to plug: https://www.amazon.com/Factor-Personality-Self-Entitled-Materialistic-Exploitive-ebook/dp/B00DV3LRY6/ Basically, there's a socially dominant personality trait or mindset. Structure can have systematic issues, but it can also have authoritarians working to use the group for their own ends. H Factor is good coverage of the authoritarian mindset, while the earlier link is a great criticism of structure and a lack of structure.
The H Factor of Personality: Why Some People Are Manipulative, Self-Entitled, Materialistic, and Exploitive—And Why It Matters for Everyone
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:14 PM
Structure isn't black and white, but we have to be very frank when considering our capacity and what will pragmaclly work
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We need formal guidelines for behavior and methods of working then
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Having it loose goosey allows authoritarians to rise in a vacuum
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We need to focus on the basics of the group before we do anything else
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Not everyone has the knowledge desire or ability to be their own leader not that we should have a dictatorship
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:17 PM
@Deleted User There’s a few things going on behind the scenes, including discussing information security. Right now, we’re looking to understand people’s skills and how to fit them into a role. We just got started about a week ago, and based on what people have done so far, we’re understanding a nucleus that’s forming and understanding one another’s roles in it. So far, I’ve had you preliminarily reach out to the r/NewPatriotism group. If you want, I can talk with you about what you know and can do, but right now I think there’s an understanding of who’s in the meeting and what we’re going to discuss. Adding more abstract information about group organization may be distracting at this point. Would you be able to give input for a following meeting? We are expected to put in formal guidelines for behavior. I have asked for organizational help from @austinwiltshire, if you want to discuss further with him. He’s already brought up the points you’re talking about.
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austinwiltshire
This is great regarding the structured vs flat approaches https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm My takeaway is this: Human beings have a default structure and there is no such thing as truly flat. The default structure is "high school rules." Both from the link as well as my experience in other groups, this definitely seems to be the case. I think there's a lot of ways to introduce structure in a transparent and just way - many checks on power, rotations, elections, term limits, due process, etc... I think a healthy skepticism of any structure is the final and best check on structure, but that doesn't mean structure itself is always bad. Anyway, I don't have the answers or solutions - but this particular tug-of-war seems common especially in leftist groups and I think it's not an intractable problem, just a difficult one.
Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:17 PM
That was my same conclusion when I read it
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Not to be combative but that doesn't sound very transparent nor very coherent
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austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 1:19 PM
Well nothing's perfect the first time 🙂
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:19 PM
I would like to give input at the next
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I understand but there are good and bad ways to do things
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And I do have experience
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We need to figure out what are mission is and our strategies before we decide structure or leadership
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:22 PM
@Deleted User Yeah, that’s why I would want you to talk with @austinwiltshire. A lot of people have ideas but it’s become a lot of water pressure for the hose.
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austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 1:22 PM
I mean, I'm all for checks on power, but whoever put together the discord and has gotten the group this far has some credibility, if they want to meet and talk about how to improve things, that makes sense to me.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:23 PM
Understandable
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I guess I'm over worrying
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:23 PM
@Deleted User Yeah, the next couple of days are going to be antsy. Got to sit tight.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:24 PM
You guys have the right mindset
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:24 PM
@Deleted User Yeah, no worries. There’ll be a point where things start flowing and then we’ll get to actual actions.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:25 PM
My only remaining concern is what you guys mean by a few days
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Everything makes sense otherwise
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:26 PM
What do you mean? You mean the meeting?
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:27 PM
Is the organizing meeting in a few days or is that the timeline for building things up
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I'm a bit confused today
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NordicThor_ 6/30/2022 1:29 PM
Basically, they’re saying to pump the brakes and slow down a little. And that’s a good suggestion, because when these things are rushed it turns into a shit show
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GG @NordicThor_, you just advanced to level 2!
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NordicThor_
Basically, they’re saying to pump the brakes and slow down a little. And that’s a good suggestion, because when these things are rushed it turns into a shit show
Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:30 PM
No I completely agree and understand
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I'm on board with everything so far the folks in charge know what they're doing
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:34 PM
@NordicThor_ Yep, thanks for putting it that way. We do need to slow down a bit.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:35 PM
im going to focus on my part until the next meeting
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:36 PM
@Deleted User That’s good. What you got going on?
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Deleted User
I'm on board with everything so far the folks in charge know what they're doing
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 1:37 PM
First time I've ever been accused of knowing what I'm doing lol
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:37 PM
hey dont sell yourself short
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:37 PM
@Braakinthesaddle It won’t be the last, lol.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:38 PM
my plan is to help coordinate with any groups we may want to work with like with new patriotism
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Skullmaggot
@Braakinthesaddle It won’t be the last, lol.
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 1:38 PM
Thanks bud, it's good to hear that
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:38 PM
i happy to know people know what theyre doing
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im not used to it
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:39 PM
@Deleted User Yeah, once we have a mission statement and code of conduct, I think we can then begin to reach out more. We’ll be able to say who we are, what we stand for, and what we can offer.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:40 PM
anything yall need at the moment
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:40 PM
@Deleted User What’s been your experience organizing? What have you organized?
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:41 PM
ive done food distribution with sra, voter mobilization with the democratic party, and i was my branch of dsa's top recruiter
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ive learned alot of general lessons overall
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the good and the bad so to speak
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im very good with people
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:42 PM
Oh wow, so you’re in everything!
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:42 PM
sorta!🤣
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i retired from dsa
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but im very active with the party
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id say interacting with people and developing verbal and written communications are my talents
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GG @Deleted User, you just advanced to level 6!
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:44 PM
ive been told i have good energy
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:45 PM
Yeah, I would eventually want to reach out to other organizations…That may end up being a pretty longterm goal. But, I think I’m overstepping my bounds at this point with saying what I want. We’d be getting an understanding of our direction and what we can put money towards.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:45 PM
sounds about right
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dont want to rush things
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planning is the most essential part of all this
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:48 PM
Yeah, thanks. People just found each other here organically and angrily. I want to keep up motivation, but we need to have a brain organ first to then start thinking.
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GG @Skullmaggot, you just advanced to level 8!
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:48 PM
i don't have talent in making images or design but conceiving and delveloping symbols and other stuff is somthing i enjoy
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:49 PM
@Deleted User Oh, we do have a number of graphic designers in the graphic designers channel if you want to ask them about anything. They might be happy creating something for you.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:49 PM
sounds perfect!
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:51 PM
@Deleted User Yeah, there’s a lot more people in the discord and on reddit that you can collaborate with. The Boston Iron Front is just one part.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:51 PM
i think doing more reaserch into offensive framing via memes is something woth looking into for myself
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ill gather a team for it
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 1:53 PM
@Deleted User Yeah, so I believe @Marusya is a graphic designer looking for things to do.
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@Deleted User We could need her later though.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 1:54 PM
no problem
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right now im just reaserching
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Hey guys, just wanted to check in with an organizational idea I had... What do you all think about the viability of holding AIF meetings in the meeting rooms at public libraries? Are there any obvious rules that would disqualify us from doing this? We obviously need spaces to meet IRL, and libraries are great hubs for discovering and engaging with the needs in our local communities. Libraries are at the heart of any healthy democratic republic, and I really like the idea of declaring them sacred spaces at the root of AIF culture. They could be compared to churchs for us. We would need to maintain good relations with the community to continue to meet at these spaces, and this gives us a legitimate reason to pound the importance of reputational management into the heads of recruits. Knowing that bad behavior could get us kicked out of our libraries would give new members a good reason not to act a fool under our banner. Another reason I've been considering this is because libraries are currently being targeted for harassment by various militias. Establishing a periodic physical presence at libraries, and building positive connections with the community through them, could deter organized harassment and help staff and patrons to feel secure. Keeping these spaces safe would be an honorable part of our charter. However, as our reputation grows, it is plausible that some of these groups might come seeking us out to pick a fight as they currently are with the story hours. Even if everyone is onboard with this idea, we'll need to develop good response policies for when aggressors show up looking to scrap before we can hold meetings in libraries. One event where we get provoked into a street fight could ruin our rep. What do you guys think? (edited)
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Hey guys, just wanted to check in with an organizational idea I had... What do you all think about the viability of holding AIF meetings in the meeting rooms at public libraries? Are there any obvious rules that would disqualify us from doing this? We obviously need spaces to meet IRL, and libraries are great hubs for discovering and engaging with the needs in our local communities. Libraries are at the heart of any healthy democratic republic, and I really like the idea of declaring them sacred spaces at the root of AIF culture. They could be compared to churchs for us. We would need to maintain good relations with the community to continue to meet at these spaces, and this gives us a legitimate reason to pound the importance of reputational management into the heads of recruits. Knowing that bad behavior could get us kicked out of our libraries would give new members a good reason not to act a fool under our banner. Another reason I've been considering this is because libraries are currently being targeted for harassment by various militias. Establishing a periodic physical presence at libraries, and building positive connections with the community through them, could deter organized harassment and help staff and patrons to feel secure. Keeping these spaces safe would be an honorable part of our charter. However, as our reputation grows, it is plausible that some of these groups might come seeking us out to pick a fight as they currently are with the story hours. Even if everyone is onboard with this idea, we'll need to develop good response policies for when aggressors show up looking to scrap before we can hold meetings in libraries. One event where we get provoked into a street fight could ruin our rep. What do you guys think? (edited)
Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 5:27 PM
I do like the idea of being a known presence in libraries, and if the library staff sees members providing a defense against RW shit-heads, esp a non-violent one, then that will make them even more likely to open their doors to us and to ally with us if the time comes.
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I have a soft spot for libraries, and seeing them repeatedly targeted by these illiberal shits has been one of the things that activated me to step up and get involved. Libraries have a civic charter that aligns with ours, but they are pretty much defenseless against this kind of harassment. I think we should consider our options for engaging with them and providing a buffer of protection against this BS, unless you guys think it would be a tactical error.
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Right now the story hours are a target that's drawing these dorks out. If we start occupying that space reliably, we could either become a deterrent, or another target that draws them out. My intuition is that we would be a deterrent, but I'm honestly not sure.
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The problem libraries have with them is that they are technically allowed in. We cant stop them. We distract them with debate then?
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KaiAt516
The problem libraries have with them is that they are technically allowed in. We cant stop them. We distract them with debate then?
you sir! I challenge you to a battle of wits!
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egaleagle
you sir! I challenge you to a battle of wits!
Tbf we could probably win much easier than them. Sounds like we actually love and use libraries in this group.
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KaiAt516
The problem libraries have with them is that they are technically allowed in. We cant stop them. We distract them with debate then?
Unironically have done this a few times, it usually leads to them running away or refusing to continue, but mind you I'm trained in silver tongue. May not go well for everyone (edited)
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Good idea tbh
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egaleagle
you sir! I challenge you to a battle of wits!
WojtektheBear 7/8/2022 3:08 PM
Union halls would be great
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I'm curious to see how long it took for them to fob off.
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Hilarious though.
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 1:14 PM
I'm also a beliver in trolling the enemy. You humiliate them and turn them into a laughingstock to where people laugh at them instead of listening to them
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TheAnonymousDew
I'm also a beliver in trolling the enemy. You humiliate them and turn them into a laughingstock to where people laugh at them instead of listening to them
thechromatograph3r 7/11/2022 12:13 AM
It’s worked for Russia. Look at what Russian trolls did to us.
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Curious if there has there been any outreach to SRA or r/liberalgunowners ? If not, I can try to get some plugs in. The Christofacism / alt-right / Nazi hate group threats are ever present and increasing by the day. While we may not be in alignment 100% with SRA for example, I feel we do all recognize the danger that is coming and the organization needed. We need all the help we can get. I joined the AIF cause recently, so I am just trying to get a pulse on where we are at. I wouldn't be surprised if some SRA members are already in the ranks.
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Curious if there has there been any outreach to SRA or r/liberalgunowners ? If not, I can try to get some plugs in. The Christofacism / alt-right / Nazi hate group threats are ever present and increasing by the day. While we may not be in alignment 100% with SRA for example, I feel we do all recognize the danger that is coming and the organization needed. We need all the help we can get. I joined the AIF cause recently, so I am just trying to get a pulse on where we are at. I wouldn't be surprised if some SRA members are already in the ranks.
WojtektheBear 7/11/2022 9:27 AM
If you have those connections feel free to man contact. I think we have some members who are SRA but no formal lines of communication with that org, feel free to do so. Also check out the Idaho room!
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WojtektheBear
If you have those connections feel free to man contact. I think we have some members who are SRA but no formal lines of communication with that org, feel free to do so. Also check out the Idaho room!
Sounds good. I thought there was only 2 of us in the Idaho room. Are you in Idaho as well?
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FrequencyX
Sounds good. I thought there was only 2 of us in the Idaho room. Are you in Idaho as well?
WojtektheBear 7/11/2022 9:28 AM
Nope but a couple of other folks have joined
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Ah ok cool. I will keep an eye on that room a bit more.
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MrsKawasaki 7/11/2022 9:31 AM
I can see that channel
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MrsKawasaki
I can see that channel
Are you in ID as well?
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MrsKawasaki 7/11/2022 10:19 AM
The channel, not the state
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FrequencyX
Are you in ID as well?
MrsKawasaki 7/11/2022 10:20 AM
New England
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MrsKawasaki
New England
WojtektheBear 7/11/2022 10:31 AM
Pop in the MA channel it’s a party
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MrsKawasaki 7/11/2022 11:51 AM
Is this server associated with the subreddit and are any of the subreddit admins here?
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MrsKawasaki
Is this server associated with the subreddit and are any of the subreddit admins here?
WojtektheBear 7/11/2022 12:08 PM
The people who mod the redddit aren’t as involved in organizing but yes the people who run the sub are involved. Is there something Ku washed to discuss?
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WojtektheBear
The people who mod the redddit aren’t as involved in organizing but yes the people who run the sub are involved. Is there something Ku washed to discuss?
MrsKawasaki 7/11/2022 12:56 PM
Yes, if they could reply to the mod mail I sent or DM me that would be awesome, thank you my friend 🤟
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WojtektheBear
If you have those connections feel free to man contact. I think we have some members who are SRA but no formal lines of communication with that org, feel free to do so. Also check out the Idaho room!
Deleted User 7/12/2022 10:05 AM
im a former sra member and friends with my chapter leadership
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i mentioned reaching out to help leadership get some ideas on creating a welcoming environment for diversity
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i would also recommend possibly redneck revolt because they have a large mix of racial and lgbtq members
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they could be helpful for advice
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^ was looking into One Shepherd for this
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Issue being they point out on their website most of their participants being of white European descent
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Which is kinda an odd thing to point out
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Deleted User
im a former sra member and friends with my chapter leadership
Nice! I haven't been as fruitful on the SRA side as of yet.
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Deleted User
i mentioned reaching out to help leadership get some ideas on creating a welcoming environment for diversity
I like it. I can look into it if you haven't already.
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Deleted User 7/12/2022 10:48 AM
i was active as delegate of my chapter to national assembly stuff and food distributions
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FrequencyX
I like it. I can look into it if you haven't already.
Deleted User 7/12/2022 10:49 AM
i highly encourage it if you want
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ill also do it
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Issue being they point out on their website most of their participants being of white European descent
Deleted User 7/12/2022 10:50 AM
the group has a large percentage of lgbtq members
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at the very least we can seek advice on that area
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Sounds like a plan! I can reach out as well. More the merrier
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dude not much activity in the VA or DC channel :/
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Skullmaggot 7/22/2022 3:38 AM
Community organizing is a process where people who live in proximity to each other or share some common problem come together into an organization that acts in their shared self-interest.Unlike those who promote more-consensual community building, community organizers generally assume that social change necessarily involves conflict and social s...
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Ladies and gentlemen, I will be heading down to Cape Cod for the next five days; I will be heading to a few beaches in Brewster and Harwich. I doubt there will be any stickers, pamphlets, or signs of authoritarian activity, but in case such things arise, I will gladly report back here to post my findings. In addition, if anybody is around, I’m totally fine with anybody approaching or meeting up. Stay frosty, lads. 🫡 (edited)
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Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 10:29 PM
@AldotheApache Hi, do you think we can talk more about organization?
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AldotheApache 9/16/2022 2:55 PM
Sure. I think AIF has a very broad scope with overlap likely with SRA, Redneck Revolt, JB Gun Club. I think we are faced with making a decision(s) about whether we want to specialize into a space not occupied by other orgs, by defining what that space is or considering trying to be a bridge from the existing orgs to the more mainstream activist groups (again defining how to do that) or work to be conveners of many groups for coordination (which requires other groups buy-in). Again the challenge being defining the space to operate and also considering that the space best suited may vary state to state or even regionally within a state. Operational and organizational flexibility is key. If you wanna talk more or through a diff medium to not clutter the channel let me know. (edited)
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Sure. I think AIF has a very broad scope with overlap likely with SRA, Redneck Revolt, JB Gun Club. I think we are faced with making a decision(s) about whether we want to specialize into a space not occupied by other orgs, by defining what that space is or considering trying to be a bridge from the existing orgs to the more mainstream activist groups (again defining how to do that) or work to be conveners of many groups for coordination (which requires other groups buy-in). Again the challenge being defining the space to operate and also considering that the space best suited may vary state to state or even regionally within a state. Operational and organizational flexibility is key. If you wanna talk more or through a diff medium to not clutter the channel let me know. (edited)
Can you join us for the meeting tomorrow (Sunday) at 12 PM EST? You're touching on one of the topics we're planning on discusing for our website and I'd love to have your input!
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Sure. I think AIF has a very broad scope with overlap likely with SRA, Redneck Revolt, JB Gun Club. I think we are faced with making a decision(s) about whether we want to specialize into a space not occupied by other orgs, by defining what that space is or considering trying to be a bridge from the existing orgs to the more mainstream activist groups (again defining how to do that) or work to be conveners of many groups for coordination (which requires other groups buy-in). Again the challenge being defining the space to operate and also considering that the space best suited may vary state to state or even regionally within a state. Operational and organizational flexibility is key. If you wanna talk more or through a diff medium to not clutter the channel let me know. (edited)
Skullmaggot 9/17/2022 8:44 PM
Nope, these discussions is what this channel is for. I want to know what people’s involvement with these groups has already been, and why they’ve made their way here rather than one of these established groups. Additionally, how are these groups growing and what’s their way of working together? If we meet with them or try to build density in an area, are we just going to get incorporated by them? I’m also trying to invite Coalition for the Common Defense to the meeting. We could try being a band of smaller groups, I suppose. And, I ultimately want to increase the “accessibility” of activism where people can put forth an effort anywhere.
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Sure. I think AIF has a very broad scope with overlap likely with SRA, Redneck Revolt, JB Gun Club. I think we are faced with making a decision(s) about whether we want to specialize into a space not occupied by other orgs, by defining what that space is or considering trying to be a bridge from the existing orgs to the more mainstream activist groups (again defining how to do that) or work to be conveners of many groups for coordination (which requires other groups buy-in). Again the challenge being defining the space to operate and also considering that the space best suited may vary state to state or even regionally within a state. Operational and organizational flexibility is key. If you wanna talk more or through a diff medium to not clutter the channel let me know. (edited)
Skullmaggot 9/17/2022 8:47 PM
I think I’m concerned with replication. Larger groups take more time to build, but we’re doing a flat decentralized model and I want to spread like a virus—low barrier to entry but with a large overall effect.
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Can you join us for the meeting tomorrow (Sunday) at 12 PM EST? You're touching on one of the topics we're planning on discusing for our website and I'd love to have your input!
AldotheApache 9/17/2022 10:56 PM
Sure. What platform are you using for this meeting? Where you from? I’m not sure how I can be helpful but I’m always open to and open to giving input.
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Can you join us for the meeting tomorrow (Sunday) at 12 PM EST? You're touching on one of the topics we're planning on discusing for our website and I'd love to have your input!
AldotheApache 9/17/2022 10:57 PM
I’d def loop in Skullmaggot as he’s been spearheading a lot here and likely has good insight as well. (edited)
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I’d def loop in Skullmaggot as he’s been spearheading a lot here and likely has good insight as well. (edited)
Skullmaggot 9/17/2022 11:00 PM
It’d be on here in the Meeting Room voice chat channel. I will likely be attending if everything works out, and be aware that I’ll likely be muted. (edited)
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I think I’m concerned with replication. Larger groups take more time to build, but we’re doing a flat decentralized model and I want to spread like a virus—low barrier to entry but with a large overall effect.
austinwiltshire 9/19/2022 5:56 PM
A great book on this is the "E-Myth" which points out, basically, that what you're trying to do is build a franchise. We're all running our own bespoke burger joints, and you want to basically write the manual for McDonalds such that anyone can run with it and do reasonably well. There's a tension between the self-organizing aspect of "political entrepreneurs" and the process heavy nature of the franchise model. After all, it's supposed to be "turn-key" One easy solution to that is to ensure the processes are pretty good, in other words, better than what most amateurs will come up with. Then they won't really deviate because there's no reason to. The other part of that is to be clear on what people can deviate on and what they can't and still be affiliated with AIF. Want to run their own banners? Perfectly fine. Want to intentionally assault people in the street? No. Ironically to really get things self organizing is to provide just enough scaffolding of process and systems to rely on that you've defined the rules of the game and allow people to take off from there. Starting with nothing gets you writers block.
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In addition to a training heavy approach (the "AIF method" so to speak), the central group can also provide services like a vendor. Like I mentioned, the graphics design team can make stuff ready to print, so any affiliate/franchise doesn't have to do that. They don't have to think of slogans. Etc... they can just use whats provided them (and make their own stuff if they want).
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A great book on this is the "E-Myth" which points out, basically, that what you're trying to do is build a franchise. We're all running our own bespoke burger joints, and you want to basically write the manual for McDonalds such that anyone can run with it and do reasonably well. There's a tension between the self-organizing aspect of "political entrepreneurs" and the process heavy nature of the franchise model. After all, it's supposed to be "turn-key" One easy solution to that is to ensure the processes are pretty good, in other words, better than what most amateurs will come up with. Then they won't really deviate because there's no reason to. The other part of that is to be clear on what people can deviate on and what they can't and still be affiliated with AIF. Want to run their own banners? Perfectly fine. Want to intentionally assault people in the street? No. Ironically to really get things self organizing is to provide just enough scaffolding of process and systems to rely on that you've defined the rules of the game and allow people to take off from there. Starting with nothing gets you writers block.
Skullmaggot 9/19/2022 10:51 PM
Exactly, I want to do something that is self-organizing and emergent. Edit: Maybe the loosest franchise with the widest appeal. I’m looking not only to have structure for ourselves but something someone not affiliated with AIF can jump on with us from time to time. (edited)
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austinwiltshire 9/19/2022 10:52 PM
I think you're on the right path so far for sure
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Sure. I think AIF has a very broad scope with overlap likely with SRA, Redneck Revolt, JB Gun Club. I think we are faced with making a decision(s) about whether we want to specialize into a space not occupied by other orgs, by defining what that space is or considering trying to be a bridge from the existing orgs to the more mainstream activist groups (again defining how to do that) or work to be conveners of many groups for coordination (which requires other groups buy-in). Again the challenge being defining the space to operate and also considering that the space best suited may vary state to state or even regionally within a state. Operational and organizational flexibility is key. If you wanna talk more or through a diff medium to not clutter the channel let me know. (edited)
thechromatograph3r 9/20/2022 8:17 PM
I say that having an organization like ours—based on name alone—removes off-putting associations with “socialism,” “redneck-ness,” “violence [revolt],” “gun nuts,” or “whoever the fuck John Brown is.”
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Nope, these discussions is what this channel is for. I want to know what people’s involvement with these groups has already been, and why they’ve made their way here rather than one of these established groups. Additionally, how are these groups growing and what’s their way of working together? If we meet with them or try to build density in an area, are we just going to get incorporated by them? I’m also trying to invite Coalition for the Common Defense to the meeting. We could try being a band of smaller groups, I suppose. And, I ultimately want to increase the “accessibility” of activism where people can put forth an effort anywhere.
thechromatograph3r 9/20/2022 8:17 PM
Let me ping you and @Rooster and @Nomad over there
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AldotheApache 9/20/2022 8:32 PM
The other thing I think the “national” can provide is a framework for our overall counter narrative around what it means to be a patriotic America. Diversity is a strength. We are a nation of immigrants. Democracy are only as strong as the people. Voter disenfranchisement is un-American. Honestly the brand is a direct counterpoint to fascist movement imo and my suspicion is our audience is likely to be cis gender white males between ages 18-45 with the iconography we are using. Could be wrong.
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Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 9:26 PM
Hey, that doesn’t make it any less diverse. The thing is to be inclusive, and that’s an attitude, not an ethnicity.
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Let me ping you and @Rooster and @Nomad over there
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Reporting in
thechromatograph3r 9/21/2022 7:47 AM
Ook ook
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Skullmaggot 9/22/2022 1:32 AM
Hiya, I’m just looking to get more connections for people in their respective states. Trying to solve the density problem of getting enough people in one location to be effective. I’m also jumping around all over today and mostly trying to get some project management tool going to help visualize to people all the moving parts.
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Hiya, I’m just looking to get more connections for people in their respective states. Trying to solve the density problem of getting enough people in one location to be effective. I’m also jumping around all over today and mostly trying to get some project management tool going to help visualize to people all the moving parts.
That is forever a problem
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That is forever a problem
Skullmaggot 9/22/2022 3:07 PM
Ah yup, but I think tabulating connections and interweaving with local groups/orgs is a good step. And, every single protest and student group we see on social media are potential new contacts. I want to collect connections and share them so that people can find local people. All that takes time though. My current priority is to set up a project management tool for everybody (probably on Github at the moment). That way, we can submit and divvy up tasks. A big task is to collect and share connections to clarify our own network.
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That is forever a problem
thechromatograph3r 9/22/2022 4:29 PM
Can confirm
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Skullmaggot 9/24/2022 5:57 PM
@thechromatograph3r @Rooster I've got a project management tool finally up. If you make a Github account, I can add you to show a non-exhaustive list of the tasks that I have collected from people that they want to do. The tool could make a good way for people to add and divvy up tasks. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 9/28/2022 12:40 AM
@thechromatograph3r @Rooster What do C4CD people need help with?
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@thechromatograph3r @Rooster What do C4CD people need help with?
thechromatograph3r 9/28/2022 1:46 AM
Nothing at the moment (edited)
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The American Solidarity Party is pro-life, but I see them as potential allies on other issues. Libertarians and Greens are fertile ground for connections as well (edited)
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The usefulness of the connections might be limited however
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Actual, Libertarians. The current Libertarian party and a lot of its state-level organizations are corrupted potentially irreversibly by the far right however
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I don't know much about their officials except for their presidential candidates like Jorgensen and Gary
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libertarians seem to just be republicans in leftist clothing
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But yes, I'm referring to normal people
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libertarians seem to just be republicans in leftist clothing
Not at all. They quite openly reject leftism
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At least if you mean leftism as in economic leftism
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Libertarians, as opposed to Republicans, are the actual party of small, limited government. Pro-guns, pro-LGBT rights, pro-marijuana etc but unfortunately against welfare, progressive tax, social programs, etc
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I don't think I've seen a Libertarian say they are pro LGBT
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You should look into them more
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Idk what kind of libertarians you've talked to then
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Unless you met those "Hoppean" idiots
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Not many self-described "Libertarians" are part of the Libertarian Party, but the LP platform has this:
1.4 Personal Relationships Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration, or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, promote, license, or restrict personal relationships, regardless of the number of participants. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships. Until such time as the government stops its illegitimate practice of marriage licensing, such licenses must be granted to all consenting adults who apply.
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The resolution to dissolve the state party, which Ward says was approved Sunday in a 7-6-1 vote by the party’s central committee, said the national party has become “functionally indistinct from other alt-right parties and movements.” Those “destructive” ideas, the resolution said, include “endorsing thinly-veiled antisemitism, explicitly welcoming bigotry into the party, reversing the LP’s 50-year legacy of support for LGBTQ+ rights, and openly denouncing women’s suffrage, the civil rights act, and democracy itself.” Ward attributed those trends to a Libertarian faction called the Mises Caucus, which she said is taking over the party apparatus and discouraging Libertarian candidates from running in swing states where they could hurt Republican votes and tilt the outcome toward Democrats.
Their movement is split
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I say we take advantage of this, gather up the true libertarians who actually support social and political freedom, and make them our allies
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Fully agreed.
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It may be inefficient, and especially since I'm new I don't want to be accused of sowing division or trying to ruin this, but I would not mind it if we had different wings of the organization for different political tendencies, so as to reduce infighting between the different groups (socialists, socdems, liberals, moderate conservatives, right-libertarians, anarchists, etc). Or, just keep up strong rules against infighting (which does not seem to be an issue so far)
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I'm probably getting way too ahead of myself here
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There's a lot of networking and organizing to be done amongst the left wing, let alone the center and center-right
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I'm talking to friends, trying to get together people in my area. My goal is to eventually hold public events and put out advertisements and such, so I can unify the politically active members of my community and educate the apolitical ones on these matters
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LessthanLoneWolf 11/4/2022 10:24 PM
@knuckles it feels that having the set “anti-fascist” stance is good for keeping our members together. It’s hard to unite the left (I’ve had more problems with leftists than fascists somehow), but I think we’re doing a good job here in the AIF
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Yeah
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Common enemies...
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Of course, that's the whole point
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The concern has been raised in some informal chats that we should consider ratcheting up the organization level, and provide more reliable involvement time for people, like a regular informal online session time. We'd need to have a team of facilitators committed to this, so we can come up with a schedule and have enough redundant support to guarantee regularity. Who's up for volunteering to staff "office hours" or whatever we end up calling it?
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AldotheApache 11/10/2022 7:06 PM
Should we considered perhaps a townhall format we hold once a month? Place some parameters on it for participation, ask for report outs from states or local chapters or feature them a victory or event. Time for a general forum for questions around shared challenges. Request a place on the agenda in advance and allot time to present regulated by a time keeper? I would be willing facilitate something like this, but open office hours could go a lot of ways.
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I like the idea of a formal, more orchestrated monthly town hall format meeting where maybe we can invite new people first. We could even include some entertainment?
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I like the idea of a formal, more orchestrated monthly town hall format meeting where maybe we can invite new people first. We could even include some entertainment?
joe hill’s revenge 11/12/2022 7:42 PM
Chess tournaments?
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hehehe, I wonder if chess is niche, but I'll play
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fun shit will win new people
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I say we take advantage of this, gather up the true libertarians who actually support social and political freedom, and make them our allies
Libertarian (contemporary) has shown itself to me to be misdefined and really about unregulated nobility. Feudalism. They’ll send us to a resurrected (Ottoman &) Byzantine-Czar empire fighting right now for it’s come back.
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JohnBrosGhost 11/14/2022 7:42 PM
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just incase anyone thought our organizing struggles were new to leftist circles
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Direct Consensus Procedure: 1: A Problem or need is identified and a person or people create and option to address that by forming a Consensus Proposal. Ideally this is done in a publicly visible online work-group if possible. 2: A Consensus Proposal should have the following parts a: Proposal name b: Problem or need to be addressed: c: Steps involved in addressing that topic d: Trial period definition - Generally not shorter than a month, nor longer than six. 3: Consensus Discussion Meeting - Is scheduled or the proposal is scheduled for the agenda for the next regular consensus meeting. During this meeting the speaker shall read out the parts of the proposal and allow all members to comment on each part before continuing. If discussion on any part is needed, each member shall be allowed to identify any problem they have with any part of the proposal or all of it. Other members are encouraged to brainstorm solutions to those problems identified. 4: Consensus Vote - if all members are present, a vote may be taken immediately to determine consensus, if not or someone wishes time to further amend the proposal it may be scheduled to occur over a period of time or postponed till some amendment is ironed out. If the vote gets full consensus it passes permanently unless revoked by another consensus proposal. 5: Failure to achieve consensus - a: If the proposal fails to achieve consensus with 67% in favor, the proposal is enacted temporarily if possible. b: If the proposal fails to achieve consensus with 66% or less, it fails and may be resubmitted after further amendments that satisfy the dissenting members concerns. 6: Revisiting temporarily enacted proposals - shall be done by repeating steps 3-4, except that it must achieve full consensus on second vote to remain active, or continue modified from it's original form. (edited)
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Relevant thread from CT JBGC on forming a chapter. Lots of similar themes to our discussion yesterday. Start with boots on the ground and connect with other orgs. Grow from there https://twitter.com/ctjbgc/status/1595234280216707072?t=LhI6MDXwJaRDGc1e_EonwA&s=19
How to Start a John Brown Gun Club - A🧵: We’ve gotten a bunch of questions today from folks about joining a JBGC. Sometimes the answer is that there is nothing local to the person asking and so our reflexive response is: Start one! 1/
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Anarchist zine distro with PDF zines and pamphlets on anarchism, direct action, tactics, etc.
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enemy of the state 12/11/2022 8:47 PM
i don't know if this is the right channel or not, but it seems the best suited to answer my question. where do i start with getting a high school student antifascist organization off the ground? i have basic propagandizing skills, a decent roster to pull from, and a fairly well educate student body, but awful school administration. i want to start a leftist organization in my school to combat the small scale fascism that the administration and school board are implementing. i want to protest without permission, and make student voices actually heard. my one problem is i really don't know where to start. any advice from anyone is welcome and deeply needed. thank you all!
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/11/2022 9:34 PM
too much of a controlled environment for it to be feasible in my mind, i’m afraid. if you already have like-minded friends then you could try something underground, but i don’t see a way where you could openly announce it without retaliation by both reactionary peers and the administration.
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you’ll certainly be made an example of if you do things past a certain point. schools rely on mass obedience and they know that
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joe hill’s revenge 12/11/2022 9:44 PM
I think u could run it underground
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enemy of the state 12/11/2022 10:29 PM
oh i should’ve been more clear, it was intended to be underground, i really just don’t have enough experience
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LessthanLoneWolf 12/12/2022 12:03 AM
You could start with flyers carefully placed around the school. If you have trusted friends you could ask their opinions about actions
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i don't know if this is the right channel or not, but it seems the best suited to answer my question. where do i start with getting a high school student antifascist organization off the ground? i have basic propagandizing skills, a decent roster to pull from, and a fairly well educate student body, but awful school administration. i want to start a leftist organization in my school to combat the small scale fascism that the administration and school board are implementing. i want to protest without permission, and make student voices actually heard. my one problem is i really don't know where to start. any advice from anyone is welcome and deeply needed. thank you all!
Keep it to individual recruitment. Take time to get to know individuals before bringing them into the circle. And even then have that be a sort of indoctrination circle... do a lot of talking about how right wingers are bullies... make sure they see the parallel between bullying and fascism... after months of them consistently showing they are allies... then you can bring them in fully. Listen to the most disenfranchised people at your school and what they have to say about the people you are thinking of bringing in. Show them how anti-fascism is a powerful tool to let them reclaim their own agency and strength alongside their comrades. Take the feeling built between one another from friendship to family.
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Keep it to individual recruitment. Take time to get to know individuals before bringing them into the circle. And even then have that be a sort of indoctrination circle... do a lot of talking about how right wingers are bullies... make sure they see the parallel between bullying and fascism... after months of them consistently showing they are allies... then you can bring them in fully. Listen to the most disenfranchised people at your school and what they have to say about the people you are thinking of bringing in. Show them how anti-fascism is a powerful tool to let them reclaim their own agency and strength alongside their comrades. Take the feeling built between one another from friendship to family.
joe hill’s revenge 12/12/2022 7:57 PM
I think this is really good advice, the only thing I would add is that if your worried about the admin; you might want to keep most of your initial organizing off of school property. Meet at someone’s house, and maybe try to find some Allied groups in the community
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I think this is really good advice, the only thing I would add is that if your worried about the admin; you might want to keep most of your initial organizing off of school property. Meet at someone’s house, and maybe try to find some Allied groups in the community
That said, there is a special kind of fuck you associated with organizing such things on the property of an inherently hierarchical structure designed explicitly to condition people to become wage slaves.
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Because fascist conditioning begins in schools. The revocation of human's right to challenge the authority of others is central to public school structure in the US.
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oh i should’ve been more clear, it was intended to be underground, i really just don’t have enough experience
Does your school have a library with private study rooms that are unscheduled, just first come first served? You could build your org under the cover of an informal "study group", and meet at regular times. Student orgs can also be useful in that you can use the school's property and equipment to gain more visibility for recruitment. Might also be able to get funding for events from larger organizations. But they bring a significant number of issues that might outweigh the benefits. Looking back on it, I wonder if it would have best to keep our org off the books, and find some other adjacently aligned group to co-sponsor events.
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Does your school have a library with private study rooms that are unscheduled, just first come first served? You could build your org under the cover of an informal "study group", and meet at regular times. Student orgs can also be useful in that you can use the school's property and equipment to gain more visibility for recruitment. Might also be able to get funding for events from larger organizations. But they bring a significant number of issues that might outweigh the benefits. Looking back on it, I wonder if it would have best to keep our org off the books, and find some other adjacently aligned group to co-sponsor events.
enemy of the state 12/13/2022 12:10 PM
sadly our library doesn’t have any study rooms, well likely do it at the public library
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@Skullmaggot this stuff needs to make it into the handbook somehow. Spot on all of it.
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sadly our library doesn’t have any study rooms, well likely do it at the public library
joe hill’s revenge 12/17/2022 10:48 PM
Would this be an aif chapter?
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@Skullmaggot this stuff needs to make it into the handbook somehow. Spot on all of it.
Skullmaggot 12/18/2022 1:00 AM
Okie dokie
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Would this be an aif chapter?
enemy of the state 12/18/2022 9:10 PM
wasn’t planning on it being one, i prefer to keep organizations completely horizontal which makes having a parent org complicated
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wasn’t planning on it being one, i prefer to keep organizations completely horizontal which makes having a parent org complicated
joe hill’s revenge 12/18/2022 9:11 PM
Not if you just use our branding and don’t do anything on our behalf
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Have you heard of youth liberation front
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Might be what you are looking for
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enemy of the state 12/18/2022 9:12 PM
i’m personally more a fan of afa art and stuff because it comes off as less anti communist so it feels more open for a lot of leftists and i just wanna create a broad org
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no i haven’t but i will definitely look into it!
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also i know this is a huge long shot, but i lost my old riseup account password and i never set up a backup email (like a dumbass) so if anyone who has one feels inclined to dm me an invite code that would be beyond appreciated
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joe hill’s revenge 12/18/2022 9:14 PM
How many supporters do you have already? What is the problems yr facing? (Book bans, generalbigotry, fascist organizing:recruiting)
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enemy of the state 12/18/2022 9:15 PM
so far we’re about four people but this is reallllly new so we’re tryna keep it small at first, and we’re facing major book bans, confederate symbology and sympathy, extremist bigotry, and things like youngkins new trans student policy
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joe hill’s revenge 12/18/2022 9:16 PM
What do you want to do about it? What can four people do?
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How high risk is your area?
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enemy of the state 12/18/2022 9:17 PM
right now we’re focused on propaganda and ways to gain membership when we’re ready, as well as attending protests, and our area is very high risk the second you leave our tiny city
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joe hill’s revenge 12/18/2022 9:17 PM
And I bet if you put yr head above the parapet they try to dox you (edited)
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enemy of the state 12/18/2022 9:18 PM
yep
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that’s why we’re staying small so we can stay hidden
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joe hill’s revenge 12/18/2022 9:20 PM
One thing you could do, is set up a peer tutoring club. The administration would love it, especially if some of you have high grades.
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enemy of the state 12/18/2022 9:21 PM
now that’s a fantastic idea
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joe hill’s revenge 12/18/2022 9:22 PM
Even if the peer tutoring club isn’t a means of spreading propaganda, it gives u space in the school to organize and it can act as a front group
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But the most fundamental question is “who r your friends, who r enemies”
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U still here
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Anyone else reading this?
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Although I'm more off an on
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joe hill’s revenge 12/18/2022 9:27 PM
What do you think
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What do you think
That's good stuff.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 12/18/2022 9:46 PM
that’s really smart, yeah
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Another thing is volunteering as a group for other related causes, going as "Iron Front" cadre.
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Another thing is volunteering as a group for other related causes, going as "Iron Front" cadre.
joe hill’s revenge 12/19/2022 1:24 AM
Cadre is a fun word
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This should be mandatory reading for everyone here
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Seriously. Give it a quick skim if nothing else
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If nothing else, read section E and act on it.
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One thing I realized from reading it, is that everyone here is capable of doing one single thing which is more important than literally anything else in achieving our goals;
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Bettering yourself. Just that.
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Quality over quantity, especially in organization.
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like seriously, the best we can do is to find a group of a few like-minded friends and learn and train and act. Decentralization means that everyone not only has the power, but the responsibility to grow the movement from themselves.
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Skullmaggot 1/5/2023 10:22 PM
@floppunism [BOI, ID] I've recently switched to delegating more as a means towards communication and cohesion of all the moving parts of what's going on. People learn what's going on and what they can do. Would you be interested in helping out with any tasks? Do you have preferences for what you want to immediately work on? Delegating like this is also new to me, and I've never really liked hierarchies. Any sense of authority and the asymmetricalness of it are antithetical to my nature, so I'm explicitly adding the twist that people are free to give me tasks as well and I'll do them. I'll probably be discussing identifiable tasks/problems on this channel. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 10:30 PM
@Skullmaggot I'd love to. My main preference is to give us some momentum. We all have time to chat here on the discord, but I think a lot of people are uncomfortable or even afraid of going out and doing things as simple as hanging posters and stickers and tags, which is understandable. I think we can also start on a focus on mutual aid as a method of antifascism. Mutual aid is a prime factor of community defense by keeping people happy and healthy, which makes them less likely to be infected by the fangs of fascism. Primarily, I want us to move to something beyond a chat place for likeminded people. We should be going out and setting monthly goals for paper posting, we should foster a community in which people want to spread our message, not simply one in which they can.
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Decentralization is the name of the game, but one person can't push an empty truck to the gas station. We need to get ourselves to the gas station 5 miles away, fill up on fuel, and hit the road hard.
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Furthering the truck metaphor, we can use the truck we filled up to haul jerry cans of gas to other stranded trucks. And before you know it, one communal push kickstarts motion elsewhere.
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Look at all the people in #introductions who just say that they want to help in any way they can. So many people here are excited to do things, but they just don't know what to do.
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Skullmaggot 1/5/2023 11:22 PM
@floppunism [BOI, ID] So, details: What do you think would foster a community right now that wants to spread our message? Current difficulties have been that we're too spread out to do much in many locales, and people end up getting frustrated from a lack of on-the-ground action where they live. That's not everywhere but it's the most common situation since America is huge. As for people excited to do what they can but not knowing what to do, it's taken this long to build enough trust for some delegation. I tried starting some delegation a few months back but it ended up being limited. We also needed both experience and to understand the gamut of things people wanted to do, so things were separated into disparate projects. Delegation I believe can help weave the pieces together. We're at a point where there's enough growth to overlap things and synergize.
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Before--and it's actually been a common problem--people are engaged but we've lacked the organization and infrastructure to make good on their engagement. People might want to do a lot or even give monetary contributions to jumpstart things, but those wouldn't go anywhere because they'd be going it alone (despite any help I could give, I can't do it all, no way). This engagement, if it can be held, can be put to use at the right time when things have organized enough to receive them. We advance this infrastructure through the months but every attempt is a test to see if we really can incorporate everyone and deal with their individual goals. I know there's a lot of people, but it's got to be people who are sticking around and connecting with others to get things done without others needing to tell them. Otherwise, it's been like trying to build a house with sand.
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Right now though is a point where may be able to be coordinated. Mutual aid is unfortunately not yet something we've developed. (See what I mean? People want to start things, so unless you've already got people already around you who'll help, I'll have to draw on the people around me, who could be busy and overloaded.) But, let's start with the first few things: 1) Define the project (mutual aid) in writing and/or find written resources that people can follow. Figure out what you need and your inputs and outputs in as much detail as you can. (Where is everything moving? Does it cost money?) Although there're people I know who do mutual aid, getting them to want to teach other people online or in person—to be a resource for everyone here—is a challenge. Even having someone research everything takes time because mutual aid is not the only thing that’s being organized, and I’ve been prioritizing the things that people push for week to week. Currently, we’ve not had enough density in many locales to approach the goals of a mutual aid organization. So, right now you’re more or less the first who’s trying to approach it, and you may be a seed before becoming a sapling. 2) If you do want to tackle this, I’ll try to funnel you people, and you should also speak with others to get their involvement and expertise. If you’re organizing something, austinwiltshire (MBA) is a great resource for learning management. I’ve been pointing out that delegation is a good way to communicate and keep what you organize together, but it might be a while before you gain enough of others’ trust to give them tasks. It might be just you and me for a while doing this, but feel free to give me tasks as well and to let me know the direction you want to take things. I can introduce you to others helping me out, but they may already be doing too much.
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3) People in here have different goals (they may not all be as involved with mutual aid), so since everything relies on the influx of people, I would want to direct everyone towards being growth-minded. That requires a method for bringing in more people. It generally makes sense to put some of your energy into “advertising” on a social media platform for your locale to draw in more people who would be near you.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 11:35 PM
I think we can start off by adding a new question to our vetting survey. One along the lines of, "What ideas do you have for fighting against fascism where you live? We won't take an "I don't know."" It forces new people to think about what they can do, and in some can hopefully get the brain juices flowing enough that they actually go out and do what they thought up. I'd love to take on whatever responsibility you give me, as long as it's feasible. I have a knack for leadership I like to think, so I hope I can make you proud if you do go through with it. (edited)
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@Skullmaggot
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I'll work on writing down guidelines and definitions; I've already contacted my local mutual aid organization to see if they have any information to help out.
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Skullmaggot 1/5/2023 11:37 PM
That's good. I'd often like to make connections and piggyback on something that's already established.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 11:38 PM
Let me take a look at the approximate workload and I'll give you a timeframe for when you can expect a draft. Not trying to treat you like a boss, but doing so helps us hold each other accountable. My next (and last) semester at school should have effectively zero after-school work or stress, so this is a really good time for me as well. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 1/5/2023 11:42 PM
As for the survey question (I'm changing up the survey today in fact), I can add it. But, as far as I can tell, what's really been mattering is chatting up people to make those connections. Written resources/surveys are tools, but it's the human interaction that people look for that solidifies their engagement.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 11:44 PM
Oh certainly
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A lot of my ideas stem from simply planting seeds in people’s minds and hoping they’ll grow. That’s how I came to where I am today, so I’m hoping it’s effective for others.
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Let me take a look at the approximate workload and I'll give you a timeframe for when you can expect a draft. Not trying to treat you like a boss, but doing so helps us hold each other accountable. My next (and last) semester at school should have effectively zero after-school work or stress, so this is a really good time for me as well. (edited)
Skullmaggot 1/5/2023 11:45 PM
Thanks. Yeah, things are all pretty loose in this volunteering setup. People can feel free to take whatever breaks they need. I've had people take months off and come back and it's all good. Just let me know if something is unfinished so I can pick it up. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 11:46 PM
Communication and connection is most important, I just want to get those seeds planted asap so they have longer to grow
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Communication and connection is most important, I just want to get those seeds planted asap so they have longer to grow
Skullmaggot 1/5/2023 11:48 PM
No, it's been important. Like you said, many people don't quite know what to do or haven't thought about what they can organize and accomplish locally.
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I'm now understanding a bit more of what you're saying. It's a good catch.
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"Priming"
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Skullmaggot 1/7/2023 2:25 AM
@Spinner Hi, I've begun to be able to lean into delegation more heavily. Would you wish to take on tasks of any sort? I have you down for "mentoring, creating organizational resources, community defense, mutual aid, and both forms of direct action." I forgot to ask for specificity, if you were looking to be a trainer or trainee in each of these things. Each of these things needs work setting up. You're the 2nd person in a list of about 50 that I'm looking to message, so what I can offer is not much at the moment but that may change by the time I get to the end of the list. I try to prioritize what people want to do since that's what they're ultimately interested in, but otherwise would you be interested in doing anything that is relevant for AIF on the whole?
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@Spinner Hi, I've begun to be able to lean into delegation more heavily. Would you wish to take on tasks of any sort? I have you down for "mentoring, creating organizational resources, community defense, mutual aid, and both forms of direct action." I forgot to ask for specificity, if you were looking to be a trainer or trainee in each of these things. Each of these things needs work setting up. You're the 2nd person in a list of about 50 that I'm looking to message, so what I can offer is not much at the moment but that may change by the time I get to the end of the list. I try to prioritize what people want to do since that's what they're ultimately interested in, but otherwise would you be interested in doing anything that is relevant for AIF on the whole?
I believe what AIM needs most that I am most qualified to do, is to develop a structure through which chapters can both be assured of the veracity of other chapters and their members, and the methods by which they can coordinate efforts without relying on a centralized authority. So... Developing a vetting process for chapters to use and expand on. Developing a proposal for chapter federation agreement/procedures. As well as the decision-making procedure they can use at both the chapter level and between federated chapters. Developing the extents and limitations that the overall organization can aid the chapters. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 1/7/2023 2:29 AM
That sounds perfect. What do you got in mind?
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That sounds perfect. What do you got in mind?
Edited to include that.
2:34 AM
I would however like a workgroup of more than just myself to be able to get more eyes on the base concepts I have already, so we can nail down a better end result.
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Perhaps @floppunism [BOI, ID] @joe hill’s revenge and @Aces high if they are willing to help.
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Also I noted that someone who joined recently has some qualifications on that ... @ZephyraTheMare might be willing to participate as well?
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Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 12:37 PM
@AvoidOblivion Are you available for discussing what to organize for yourself locally/nationally? The meeting seems a bust, so I was looking to spend the time processing people. (edited)
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@AIF Cuirassier regiment Are you available for discussing what to organize for yourself locally/nationally? The meeting seems a bust, so I was looking to spend the time processing people.
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@AIF Cuirassier regiment Are you available for discussing what to organize for yourself locally/nationally? The meeting seems a bust, so I was looking to spend the time processing people.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/8/2023 12:42 PM
sounds good, although i preffer doing it later in the night
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sounds good, although i preffer doing it later in the night
Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 12:45 PM
I'm unfortunately going to be pretty darn busy today, even at night tonight. I have about until 10:30-11:00 AM PST/1:30-2:00 PM EST today if you're available for such. Otherwise, just message me whenever and we can discuss things asynchronously.
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I'm unfortunately going to be pretty darn busy today, even at night tonight. I have about until 10:30-11:00 AM PST/1:30-2:00 PM EST today if you're available for such. Otherwise, just message me whenever and we can discuss things asynchronously.
AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/8/2023 12:49 PM
sounds good
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Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 12:56 PM
@horhay Did you want to spend a moment going over organizing? The meeting's been a bust, so I'm just spending the moment talking with people. I've begun leaning more into delegation since understanding it as a communicative tool, so let me know if you're up for any tasks. (These would likely be things prioritizing local organization.) And, since I don't like asymmetric relationships/hierarchy, feel free to give me tasks as well. (edited)
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@horhay Did you want to spend a moment going over organizing? The meeting's been a bust, so I'm just spending the moment talking with people. I've begun leaning more into delegation since understanding it as a communicative tool, so let me know if you're up for any tasks. (These would likely be things prioritizing local organization.) And, since I don't like asymmetric relationships/hierarchy, feel free to give me tasks as well. (edited)
Yeah I can do that, I would have joined the meeting but I’m on a ferry right now with bad internet so I would be cutting in and out, but I can text chat
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Yeah I can do that, I would have joined the meeting but I’m on a ferry right now with bad internet so I would be cutting in and out, but I can text chat
Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:14 PM
K. I'd pretty much be going over your goals and questions. I like that you've got iron_front_canada, but what's the platform? Also, how easy has it been to manage such, and would you want to be able to share the account with others to post and engage your audience regularly? I'm looking at social media as a way to draw in people, but I also want to go over what you need for organizing locally in person, if that's a goal. We have a handbook coming out, and I can discuss all the bottlenecks towards getting other things that you may want that you may want to pay attention to.
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K. I'd pretty much be going over your goals and questions. I like that you've got iron_front_canada, but what's the platform? Also, how easy has it been to manage such, and would you want to be able to share the account with others to post and engage your audience regularly? I'm looking at social media as a way to draw in people, but I also want to go over what you need for organizing locally in person, if that's a goal. We have a handbook coming out, and I can discuss all the bottlenecks towards getting other things that you may want that you may want to pay attention to.
I’m open to sharing the account, I try to keep it Canada specific but sometimes there’s a major overlap with symbolism and such, yeah I’m in the works with trying to get people here irl to join me doing flyers and stickers when we have stuff. There’s at least 1 person helping with graphic design and they’re good
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Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:17 PM
@archon The meeting's a bust. I'm processing people for the moment over here.
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I completely agree I wish I had more things to post about, sharing it with other people would be great
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Got it, a shame it was unfortunately
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I’m open to sharing the account, I try to keep it Canada specific but sometimes there’s a major overlap with symbolism and such, yeah I’m in the works with trying to get people here irl to join me doing flyers and stickers when we have stuff. There’s at least 1 person helping with graphic design and they’re good
Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:24 PM
Oh, that's actually pretty good. We end up with a few graphic designers but they're disorganized since we need someone to step up to organize them and give them assignments. (I'm too busy to manage it myself anymore, I need an extra hand.) I don't suppose your friend would like to help organize online? I'm looking to produce a pamphlet, business card, or other handouts at the moment. Local organization is the cornerstone, but what I end up doing online is building resources, so if there's things I can create, I want a list of what people need. It sounds like you're busy with the good work, though. Have you been encountering any particular issues?
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Got it, a shame it was unfortunately
Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:24 PM
Yeah, people called in sick and horhay's on the ferry!
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@archon I've started leaning into delegation more heavily--I'm recognizing it as a communication tool to let people know what's going on and what they can do. Would you be up for any tasks? (These would likely be things that prioritize local organization.) Also, since I dislike asymmetric relationships/hierarchy, feel free to give me tasks as well and I'll do them. I also want to get your goals and issues with organizing. (edited)
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Oh, that's actually pretty good. We end up with a few graphic designers but they're disorganized since we need someone to step up to organize them and give them assignments. (I'm too busy to manage it myself anymore, I need an extra hand.) I don't suppose your friend would like to help organize online? I'm looking to produce a pamphlet, business card, or other handouts at the moment. Local organization is the cornerstone, but what I end up doing online is building resources, so if there's things I can create, I want a list of what people need. It sounds like you're busy with the good work, though. Have you been encountering any particular issues?
@ xulff is the one helping with graphic design, I have a hard time being pushy but I’m quite passionate about this and my close circle irl is all allied, my only main issue is getting numbers across the country but im patient enough and devoted. In the mean time I’m still going to be posting to my IG account when I see relevant things online or in real life
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Umm..... personally I'm not sure if I'm up for such things. Sorry @Skullmaggot.
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Umm..... personally I'm not sure if I'm up for such things. Sorry @Skullmaggot.
Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:28 PM
np, just checking
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Thanks for asking though
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@ xulff is the one helping with graphic design, I have a hard time being pushy but I’m quite passionate about this and my close circle irl is all allied, my only main issue is getting numbers across the country but im patient enough and devoted. In the mean time I’m still going to be posting to my IG account when I see relevant things online or in real life
Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:37 PM
Getting numbers has been a big problem. We're mainly advertising through Reddit, people visiting the website, social media, and word of mouth. I think a local social media can get people but it ought to be a lively one so that people know you're still out there. (So, I'll see if I can grab others for the account.) Realistically, since we don't have marketing expertise to draw upon as a resource yet, I need to find people willing to put in the time to research effective advertising. The second bottleneck has been that I need extra help to process new people coming in here (especially since the backlog over the holiday). Just getting people in here isn't necessarily sufficient. People need to be engaged and directed towards project leaders, point people, and resources, and that's a lot of work to do individually.
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Just because someone's in Canada doesn't mean they'll reach out or know what to do.
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I'll be training up point people to be organizers. It sounds like you've got things handled for where you're at, but numbers are an ever-present problem. I think maybe a quick fix is to post that you're looking for people in British Columbia on r/IronFrontUSA or other antifascist reddits. Those have been decent sources since they have large pools of people.
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@horhay Do you want a post on r/IronFrontUSA?
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Oh I also created a Canadian IF discord! I can send you the link, there’s only the 2 of us and I think it’s a good start but we could use more insight
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I’d like to populate the discord and get some discussions going before I advertise it
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Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:45 PM
Right, but just be aware that it's pretty hard to accrue people. If things aren't growing fast enough, they start shrinking since people will be frustrated.
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I can also switch my Ig account to a professional one which gives it a bit of a boost
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Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:46 PM
You have a good idea with Iron Front Canada, that's something to tap into.
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How often do you post content? Are people engaged in your content?
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I seem to get an average of 10% likes relative to my follows, I haven’t used any hashtags yet though just because I’m handling it solo and trolls have engaged me
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Most of my follows are people relevant to community defence
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Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:48 PM
Hmm, that's good. Have to check out those connections.
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I follow and like a lot of local/relevant pages
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I’ve gotten lots of follow backs
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And there’s no connection between my IG and any of my other socials
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Besides talking about it here
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Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:51 PM
We don't have a social media head (someone organizing everything), and I've been suggested that we don't need one since things are supposed to be decentralized. But, do you think it would be worthwhile for you to connect with others who are doing Iron Front social media? We got a small list.
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I’m down! Yeah I try to avoid stealing posts from other IF people here but if there’s a sort of mutual sharing agreement thing then we could all exchange content (edited)
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Skullmaggot 1/8/2023 1:56 PM
Okay, here's a list. I'll also DM you some considerations: -Iron Front Colorado Reddit; egaleagle -Iron Front New England Instagram; LessthanLoneWolf -Iron Front Massachusetts Mastodon; OkraMonk/catcatcat -Iron Front Ohio Reddit; TheChromatograph3r (find them on the C4CD server) -Iron Front Northern Virginia Instagram; curcale -Iron Front USA Twitter; Krat, curcale
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@AvoidOblivion Are you available for discussing what to organize for yourself locally/nationally? The meeting seems a bust, so I was looking to spend the time processing people. (edited)
AvoidOblivion 1/8/2023 3:12 PM
I am up for discussing, though I doubt there is much I could currently do. I am financially limited at the moment, and am also busy with school and changes in my personal life.
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joe hill’s revenge 1/8/2023 11:14 PM
I think that in terms of next steps a few things are key: 1. Creating a toolkit for building chapters (I know it’s being done) 2. Getting people on the discord abd Reddit to form chapters and engaging in irl activism 3. Once a few chapters are running, create a formal structure
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I am up for discussing, though I doubt there is much I could currently do. I am financially limited at the moment, and am also busy with school and changes in my personal life.
Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 2:07 AM
Okay. I'm just interested in what actions you'd like to develop. Are you interested in irl or online stuff?
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Okay. I'm just interested in what actions you'd like to develop. Are you interested in irl or online stuff?
AvoidOblivion 1/10/2023 8:36 AM
I can do IRL in my area. Online stuff is fine. In regards to what actions I’m interested in doing: IRL, just general activism, nothing specific. For online, I’m interested in helping develop an online presence, through posts and (peaceful) calls to action.
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I can do IRL in my area. Online stuff is fine. In regards to what actions I’m interested in doing: IRL, just general activism, nothing specific. For online, I’m interested in helping develop an online presence, through posts and (peaceful) calls to action.
Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 10:02 PM
Like with social media? Or, did you have a different idea?
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Like with social media? Or, did you have a different idea?
AvoidOblivion 1/10/2023 10:06 PM
Yes, social media. I honestly don't know what else I could do. I am very new to all of this, as I am sure most of us are.
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Yes, social media. I honestly don't know what else I could do. I am very new to all of this, as I am sure most of us are.
Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 10:06 PM
there's a lounge session going on too right now
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AvoidOblivion 1/10/2023 10:06 PM
I can't currently attend. If there is one next week, I may be able to attend.
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Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 10:17 PM
The lounge sessions are typically unscheduled and casual.
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Yes, social media. I honestly don't know what else I could do. I am very new to all of this, as I am sure most of us are.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/10/2023 10:22 PM
#fascists-online Monitor the NC white lives matter telegram channel and act to neutralize any actions they may do locally (edited)
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That’s a good start
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Yes, social media. I honestly don't know what else I could do. I am very new to all of this, as I am sure most of us are.
Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 10:24 PM
Social media is actually a ton of help because it's a first step to growing a base of people that can help. We got a pool of people to draw from on the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit, but we need to actually determine other places we can "advertise" to bring in more people. Generally with social media, I'm expecting two options: 1) Create a new social media account for your locale. Running it by yourself is a lot of work, so it's suggested that you share the account and get others to help you post to keep it lively. This helps you grow locally but may be slower overall. 2) Help out by posting through an already established social media account. Our current accounts are underutilized and could use extra people. But, they in all likelihood wouldn't be near you to start.
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#fascists-online Monitor the NC white lives matter telegram channel and act to neutralize any actions they may do locally (edited)
AvoidOblivion 1/10/2023 11:01 PM
How would I go about doing that, both joining and neutralizing any actions? @Skullmaggot, I can use my already-established Reddit account. I have about 80 followers and it's several years old. I'm thinking I could post on memes on r/historymemes relating to the original Iron Front and their fights against the Nazis and Communists, and give a bit of extra information about them. On top of that, I could also go to places like r/Shermanposting, which is generally speaking pretty left-wing, and mention AIF's activism against neo-Confeds. One of my favorite flyer/sticker designs is the "We've Beaten 'Em Before / We'll Beat Them Again" with the three bayonets stabbing at the Nazi flag, Confederate battle flag, and whatever the third one is. My area of NC is pretty Red. Getting people from the area in would not be easy.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/10/2023 11:04 PM
You would just watch their telegram channel. Don’t need to respond or be active in it in any way. My local one has piss poor OPSEC, I already am planning on covering up some of their stickers because they posted where it was lmao. Hopefully your state has similarly poor OPSEC and you can try and cover up anything they post nearby. It would also be good to give information of their actions on the north carolina subreddit.
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AvoidOblivion 1/10/2023 11:05 PM
Thanks for the info. I will look into that.
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I’m down! Yeah I try to avoid stealing posts from other IF people here but if there’s a sort of mutual sharing agreement thing then we could all exchange content (edited)
LessthanLoneWolf 1/10/2023 11:25 PM
Steal away lol
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How would I go about doing that, both joining and neutralizing any actions? @Skullmaggot, I can use my already-established Reddit account. I have about 80 followers and it's several years old. I'm thinking I could post on memes on r/historymemes relating to the original Iron Front and their fights against the Nazis and Communists, and give a bit of extra information about them. On top of that, I could also go to places like r/Shermanposting, which is generally speaking pretty left-wing, and mention AIF's activism against neo-Confeds. One of my favorite flyer/sticker designs is the "We've Beaten 'Em Before / We'll Beat Them Again" with the three bayonets stabbing at the Nazi flag, Confederate battle flag, and whatever the third one is. My area of NC is pretty Red. Getting people from the area in would not be easy.
Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 11:35 PM
K. Are you interested in having others help with it? Do you mind if I get the account name to put it in a list of affiliated accounts?
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
You would just watch their telegram channel. Don’t need to respond or be active in it in any way. My local one has piss poor OPSEC, I already am planning on covering up some of their stickers because they posted where it was lmao. Hopefully your state has similarly poor OPSEC and you can try and cover up anything they post nearby. It would also be good to give information of their actions on the north carolina subreddit.
I just got a telegram account today with a completely new fake identity and already have found white power clubs in my area
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I just got a telegram account today with a completely new fake identity and already have found white power clubs in my area
joe hill’s revenge 1/11/2023 1:07 AM
What about a tutorial on how to use telegram to monitor threats
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Best to use a fake name and picture that is easily overlooked
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You can lurk hard if you avoid chatting
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joe hill’s revenge 1/11/2023 1:22 AM
I assume most groups r full of Antifa and feds
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And they know it
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So they have protection and practice security culture
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So they have protection and practice security culture
Yeah there’s a skinhead fight club close enough that I’m changing gears to investigating it
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Yeah there’s a skinhead fight club close enough that I’m changing gears to investigating it
joe hill’s revenge 1/11/2023 2:00 AM
Do they post videos
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joe hill’s revenge
Do they post videos
I actually found them through the active club link when they tagged a Canadian page, there’s recruitment posts but nothing much else so far at-least for what I have access to
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So they have protection and practice security culture
floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/11/2023 8:50 AM
it’s shit security but yeah
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it’s shit security but yeah
joe hill’s revenge 1/11/2023 2:55 PM
I think that passive surveillance and building a network of fash watchers
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Could be a good way to go with this org
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@Skullmaggot im sorry I wasn’t able to finish our convo last night. But here’s my summary of what I think we should focus on: 1. Create a virtuous cycle where irl propaganda efforts and actions leads to good social media buzz, which inspires more irl activism. 2. Create a network of chapters in a few major cities across the nation, and establish an irl federation of verified chapters that can coordinate with eachother. 3. Turn this server into a virtual head office that can provide chapters and isolated activists with logistical support in the form of free printing, mentoring and a steady stream of material such as field guides, pamphlets and posters 3. Identify points if unity, and a shared security culture
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Skullmaggot 1/11/2023 10:29 PM
@joe hill’s revenge You said before that you may need help with the steps, so here are the steps I see. 1. For this first one, make sure those doing irl efforts (propaganda and otherwise) have pictures/etc. and know the social media accounts to send it to. They also need to follow guidelines about protecting PII. It would be helpful to be able to send followers to our spaces like this Discord to get involved further. Irl efforts likely need to happen consistently to keep up engagement. We can also try pulling more people into irl efforts. 2. We could use a way to vet ourselves. Spinner has said that they want to get vetting procedures written up. I believe curcale and C.J. also want in on that. Chapters are interested in doing things irl, most likely. People can find local buddies and meet up—they can have a planned action, OkraMonk should know what they can do. Chapters will be getting the handbook once it’s up. People intuitively believe that coordination amongst chapters is a good thing, but there need to be tangible benefits to working with other chapters that are far away, or else there’s no particular reason to keep in a network. People need to decide what a network is good for, such as intel and emotional support, but there should be other things that people should think about and develop. (edited)
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3. @joe hill’s revenge If we’re doing printing for people—it’s a good idea—then we need income. 1uc2 has ideas for getting money. After that, we need a secure way to get people materials that does not require their addresses/locations—I’m not sure if that can be done, I would need ideas. Setting up mentoring is already underway, but we could use more people or a way to speak to a lot of people to walk each person through the process of setting up mentorship. I liked your idea about having an orientation to speak with a lot of people, but everybody has different schedules and time zones and I’m worried about the practicality. It might be better to divide processing/orientation/meetings by time zone then, and that means we need to train people for such first. As for getting pamphlets and posters, we’ve been flailing at getting a graphic design team up without a lead graphic designer who’s willing to keep things together and flowing smoothly. Graphic designers can do what you ask but require a lot of time and input to design something. For instance, you’d need someone to write up and approve the text for a pamphlet. 4. Points of unity are created when people chat with one another and make friends. You can point to your goals in a handbook, but actual unity comes from familiarity and friendship. This has been something that has been developing slowly as a basis as the Discord has grown. People become more comfortable with one another (hopefully, there have been many arguments), and they find value in being with one another and value in working towards common goals. A shared security culture can be handled with the handbook, orientations, and practice. They also need tasks that require a security culture to understand its use.
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@joe hill’s revenge You said before that you may need help with the steps, so here are the steps I see. 1. For this first one, make sure those doing irl efforts (propaganda and otherwise) have pictures/etc. and know the social media accounts to send it to. They also need to follow guidelines about protecting PII. It would be helpful to be able to send followers to our spaces like this Discord to get involved further. Irl efforts likely need to happen consistently to keep up engagement. We can also try pulling more people into irl efforts. 2. We could use a way to vet ourselves. Spinner has said that they want to get vetting procedures written up. I believe curcale and C.J. also want in on that. Chapters are interested in doing things irl, most likely. People can find local buddies and meet up—they can have a planned action, OkraMonk should know what they can do. Chapters will be getting the handbook once it’s up. People intuitively believe that coordination amongst chapters is a good thing, but there need to be tangible benefits to working with other chapters that are far away, or else there’s no particular reason to keep in a network. People need to decide what a network is good for, such as intel and emotional support, but there should be other things that people should think about and develop. (edited)
joe hill’s revenge 1/12/2023 6:36 PM
1. Idk how we get people to take the first step from online engagement into irl engagement. Or how we can help online only people support irl activism. But tbh, people join the server expecting to be asked to participate. We should try to interview new server members. Down the line, we can help new members find chapters! 2. The first step might be to reverse vet current members, to engineer a process. I think that the tangible benefit would be federation wide days of action, and a shared zine. 3. Revenue is difficult because it puts more responsibility on the treasurer. I can help write stuff and proof read things.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
You would just watch their telegram channel. Don’t need to respond or be active in it in any way. My local one has piss poor OPSEC, I already am planning on covering up some of their stickers because they posted where it was lmao. Hopefully your state has similarly poor OPSEC and you can try and cover up anything they post nearby. It would also be good to give information of their actions on the north carolina subreddit.
I found the WLM channel for my state but they insist on vetting before allowing people to join and claim they will need "proof of activism" so I haven't yet tried to apply
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figure I'll need to work harder on building a persona if I intend to try that
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1. Idk how we get people to take the first step from online engagement into irl engagement. Or how we can help online only people support irl activism. But tbh, people join the server expecting to be asked to participate. We should try to interview new server members. Down the line, we can help new members find chapters! 2. The first step might be to reverse vet current members, to engineer a process. I think that the tangible benefit would be federation wide days of action, and a shared zine. 3. Revenue is difficult because it puts more responsibility on the treasurer. I can help write stuff and proof read things.
AldotheApache 1/13/2023 12:00 PM
Money means incorporation or you will run afoul of the IRS. Incorporation means oversight of the money and governance (election or appointment of decision makers for spending the money). Let’s crawl before we walk. Translating online into irl activism is something I have done in the past. It’s hard to discuss and explain thoroughly through this medium of communication.
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I found the WLM channel for my state but they insist on vetting before allowing people to join and claim they will need "proof of activism" so I haven't yet tried to apply
Print up a few of their flyers, take photos first person of you putting them up and noting intersections where you put them up. Tear them down immediately but leave it torn so you can tell it was that flyer... like part of an insignia left taped up. Get a few folks together to stage a photo of "you" throwing a punch while wearing some shirt identifiable as fash... have the camera angled from behind your shoulder... the point being to make it a photo they can't reverse lookup... could post it on a fake right wing twitter profile.
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Money means incorporation or you will run afoul of the IRS. Incorporation means oversight of the money and governance (election or appointment of decision makers for spending the money). Let’s crawl before we walk. Translating online into irl activism is something I have done in the past. It’s hard to discuss and explain thoroughly through this medium of communication.
joe hill’s revenge 1/14/2023 4:22 PM
I was saying to skull that I have a long term Vision but I can’t see the steps on the road
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Money means incorporation or you will run afoul of the IRS. Incorporation means oversight of the money and governance (election or appointment of decision makers for spending the money). Let’s crawl before we walk. Translating online into irl activism is something I have done in the past. It’s hard to discuss and explain thoroughly through this medium of communication.
joe hill’s revenge 1/14/2023 4:24 PM
What’s a better medium
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An AFA page reached out to me, about them reaching out to a popular anarchist network that was looking for mutual aid/hate watch and how I should too, if this works out then we would have a decent network sprouting in west canada
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/14/2023 5:15 PM
fuck yeah
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I was saying to skull that I have a long term Vision but I can’t see the steps on the road
Imo you should keep a watch of local activism that’s relevant to our cause and volunteer/ show up and occupy space, eventually you’ll find likeminded people who like the image and also will take a stand for peoples rights
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/14/2023 5:23 PM
My area's pretty quiet for the most part but if the flyers I put up near the school staying up are any indication, the kids love antifascism.
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Plus I kind of feel like I have to make myself heard as my local gun store is VERY red.
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Complete with Cryle Shittenhouse posters.
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 12:19 AM
@floppunism [BOI, ID] Do you mind if I ask you about what you've organized so far? What organizational problems are you trying to address?
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@abi Florida's big. Are you north, south, east, west? Do NOT give your exact location on this public Discord. What have you organized locally? Do you keep in contact with anyone?
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@Atlas_40mm Hello, you introduced yourself and got a Member role but didn't give your state. What information do you want and how do you want to support?
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oh hi. im from CA and id like to support in ways i can offer. id like to more so observe for now and learn. i mainly talk to friends or people in my circle about political issues to try and bridge a gap
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oh hi. im from CA and id like to support in ways i can offer. id like to more so observe for now and learn. i mainly talk to friends or people in my circle about political issues to try and bridge a gap
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 12:34 AM
Oh? I'm in California too. I'm actually trying to start organizing locally. If that's of your interest, would you happen to be in Northern California? Or would you want to observe more? I'm principally interested in seeing how I can put people together and organize on the ground. I'm not an expert in much of anything (I'm a graphic designer), but I'm self-motivated and trying to get people to take initiative for making steps towards what they want.
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@abi Florida's big. Are you north, south, east, west? Do NOT give your exact location on this public Discord. What have you organized locally? Do you keep in contact with anyone?
Hi sorry. Didn’t notice I got let in. I’m in North West Florida. I usually do mutual aid work. And yes I keep in touch with people I work with.
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oh nice. im from central region. Im cool with organizing or helping to organize. Im just a student/military rn so hands might be full but whenever i can im cool with helping some how
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Hi sorry. Didn’t notice I got let in. I’m in North West Florida. I usually do mutual aid work. And yes I keep in touch with people I work with.
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 12:46 AM
Good. Would you happen to want to round up Florida people here? This Discord is a public aspect of AIF, and right now as far as I know, Florida is disorganized/casual. You want to connect, but I'm concerned with what you'll be doing beyond that to keep people advancing. Do you have plans?
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oh nice. im from central region. Im cool with organizing or helping to organize. Im just a student/military rn so hands might be full but whenever i can im cool with helping some how
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 12:55 AM
Best thing to do is to just chat (California) people up and keep up with people. Pay attention to events. (And if you want to help with stuff, I have a list a mile long.) Also, we have a partial handbook written up, posted on #what-we-can-do-right-now recently.
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nice
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yeah california is in a special spot rn
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very left wing which doesnt need too much activism
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but guns are still annoying
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annoying as in i hate these stupid gun laws
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 12:58 AM
@Chance Are you a part of any groups in Texas? I'd be pushing people to organize irl since that's what drives engagement to do everything else.
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annoying as in i hate these stupid gun laws
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 12:59 AM
Hmm, are you pro-gun? Anti-gun?
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im pro gun but i absolutely understand gun laws backed by data
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like most gun crimes committed are done with stolen guns
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 1:01 AM
yeah
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i think some proof of safe or storage container is needed before purchase of firearm
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i think some proof of safe or storage container is needed before purchase of firearm
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 1:10 AM
I've not yet heard about addressing any gun laws. When organizing, I'm essentially avoiding the gun question so as not to create unnecessary tensions. But, such issues touch upon the difficulty of being a "big tent" organization. We get all sorts of people in here, and it's difficult to have a uniting ideology other than "defeat fascism."
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i think some proof of safe or storage container is needed before purchase of firearm
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 1:14 AM
I do want to also reiterate that to help out, chat up people and engage them. (Chatting with me is going to be limiting because I'm already engaged and my time is spread out amongst a hundred people.)
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lol i understand
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yeah it seems like we all have our own way to "defeat facism" but the left is very fractured right now on how they want to tackle it. politically the republicans are in shambles but i feel like as a culture right wing people are more united somewhat.
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the left is just very diverse
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which is good
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but its going to be hard to unite on more than just "defeating facism"
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 1:21 AM
The left wants to do a thousand things to fix a thousand problems, whereas all fascists need to do is deny outgroups.
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yeah it seems like we all have our own way to "defeat facism" but the left is very fractured right now on how they want to tackle it. politically the republicans are in shambles but i feel like as a culture right wing people are more united somewhat.
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 1:25 AM
My own personal idea to defeat fascism is to create a model of it, to know how all its information and resources flow and identify its choke points. This is not an ideology though.
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@dabearcub42 Have you tried r/liberalgunowners or r/SocialistRA? The SRA and Liberal Gun Club should both provide training. If you can, try to drag other people looking for firearm training with you. (edited)
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i think the current state of "facism" today preys on fearful people who are distrustful of the current institutions of power mainly academia and the federal government. a lot of these weird ethno state or america first people are just waiting for the system to crumble so they can take control which is funny because theyre prepetuating the downfall by constantly waiting for "the collapse". maybe its just more fringe internet groups ive been paying attention to but the loss of trust in our institutions is killing the US slowly
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i think the current state of "facism" today preys on fearful people who are distrustful of the current institutions of power mainly academia and the federal government. a lot of these weird ethno state or america first people are just waiting for the system to crumble so they can take control which is funny because theyre prepetuating the downfall by constantly waiting for "the collapse". maybe its just more fringe internet groups ive been paying attention to but the loss of trust in our institutions is killing the US slowly
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 1:36 AM
I'd try to direct you towards organizations that are looking to protect those institutions, but one of the problems with organizing so far is that--similar to the left being diverse and split in its missions--we're trying to tackle too many things at once. Right now, we have a decent gamut of things to develop: non-antifascist action, antifascist-action, protesting, flyering, mutual aid, community defense, social media, website, zine, podcast, marketing, organizing, mentoring, firearms training, fitness training, legal observer training, medical training, creating online resources, networking, community outreach. Do you think any of these can be woven around what you want to address?
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@ironflow512 Have you happened to have organized anything locally?
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@gravybaby420 Are you interested in connecting with people in Boston?
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@jay Have you connected with Massachusetts yet?
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@I_PUNT_BABIES_75 What are you looking to do to get organized?
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@NotAGoodUltrarunner Hi, just checking if you've been able to connect with AldotheApache?
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@jay Have you connected with Massachusetts yet?
Yep!
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Yep!
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 1:56 AM
Moving to DMs for stuff.
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@I_PUNT_BABIES_75 What are you looking to do to get organized?
I_PUNT_BABIES_75 1/27/2023 2:05 AM
Definitely something. Right now I’m in a position for activism and graphic design. I definitely want to be active in the coming weeks, with the release of the body cam footage tomorrow. From what I have read it will be worse than the Floyd video and people will be pissed.
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Definitely something. Right now I’m in a position for activism and graphic design. I definitely want to be active in the coming weeks, with the release of the body cam footage tomorrow. From what I have read it will be worse than the Floyd video and people will be pissed.
Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 2:12 AM
People in Washington rarely enter this Discord. Organizing any sort of chapter there (if that's you're intention) will be difficult and will likely rely on your own initiative. However, if you go to a protest, maybe you can make connections. I might as well design a quick business card that people can print out. What have you done in the past to organize?
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People in Washington rarely enter this Discord. Organizing any sort of chapter there (if that's you're intention) will be difficult and will likely rely on your own initiative. However, if you go to a protest, maybe you can make connections. I might as well design a quick business card that people can print out. What have you done in the past to organize?
I_PUNT_BABIES_75 1/27/2023 6:14 PM
Nothing really to be honest I am relatively new to this. I worked in graphic design and was in the military. I definitely intend to go to protests and make connections going forward.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/27/2023 6:20 PM
A good place to start will be attending any rallies relevant to the murder of Tyre Nichols, there will be many this weekend.
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Skullmaggot 1/27/2023 8:23 PM
I’ve got some initial business cards on #graphic-designers , but I’ll revise them to have the QR code tonight.
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I_PUNT_BABIES_75 1/27/2023 9:44 PM
Ok sick I appreciate it. I’ll definitely hand them around. I’m sure when the protests start there will be plenty of people willing to talk about it.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/27/2023 11:04 PM
Make sure to have something to say when someone asks about it.
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Anticipate skepticism.
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Sorry for the delay... as noted in the beginning of the document, this is not a fully developed process meant to be used as is... it's my experience distilled into something appropriate to AIF... and meant to be modified and reworked by others to make a functional process for AIF to use. (edited)
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I acknowledge that some people may take issue with some of my wording used in it... that's fine, modify as you like, it is intended to express my own experience and knowledge on the subject and that is not the sum total that there is in the world. (edited)
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Ok sick I appreciate it. I’ll definitely hand them around. I’m sure when the protests start there will be plenty of people willing to talk about it.
Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 1:08 AM
I just updated the business cards on there to have QR codes.
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@dabearcub42 Hi, we do need plenty of management experience. Mostly we need self-motivated people to be able to build chapters from the ground up in their locales. Do you want to talk about organizational steps?
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@rathernot123 Hi, did you delete your introduction?
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@AvoidOblivion Hi, just checking in on you about how things are. I think Zed-Juron (South Carolina) needs input if you'd like to give them things to do. Provide some goals if you can.
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@smerpyderp Hi, thank you for your patience. Do you mind if I walk you through some organizing stuff?
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@rathernot123 Hi, did you delete your introduction?
rathernot123 1/28/2023 1:54 AM
No
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No
Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 1:57 AM
Oh okay, don't know what happened to it then. Were you looking to set up irl organizing, online organizing, or maybe you're just hanging out?
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No
Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 1:57 AM
Also, what state would you be in?
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rathernot123 1/28/2023 1:59 AM
Mass and I have been working with people in the server irl stuff
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Mass and I have been working with people in the server irl stuff
Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 2:11 AM
Oh okay, you're with Massachusetts? Alright.
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Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 2:22 AM
@Polyester Hi, just seeing if you want to set up anything. What state are you in and what do you want to accomplish?
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@Polyester Hi, just seeing if you want to set up anything. What state are you in and what do you want to accomplish?
Right. I'm in in the Greater Seattle Area. Right now I would like to occasionally pitch in to assist chapters I can.
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Right. I'm in in the Greater Seattle Area. Right now I would like to occasionally pitch in to assist chapters I can.
Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 2:33 AM
So, you're in an area where we rarely get people from in this Discord. (Though, user @I_PUNT_BABIES_75 just entered, so get friendly with them if you want.) Depending on how things kick off or don't, it might be better to find an established local org or even try to maybe post on antifascist subreddits to see who's near. If you want to start a chapter, I'd say that's too much to start with one person. See if you can find more local buddies or maybe even make connections at events (though, maybe that's tough). Online stuff is okay, but I believe irl stuff is what ultimately keeps people engaged--people need in-person interaction to be invested. Give one another tasks to do. Discuss with a local group how to limit your goals so that you have a narrow focus that everyone can contribute to, but be ready to expand because a group won't grow when staying too narrow.
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Thank you for the advice.
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Thank you for the advice.
Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 2:40 AM
That's what I try to do. Most of this is going to be on your own initiative. Do you have any immediate goal? How does fascism affect what you care about?
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That's what I try to do. Most of this is going to be on your own initiative. Do you have any immediate goal? How does fascism affect what you care about?
I will be entirely frank. I don't have an immediate goal. It's difficult to think of anything when I don't even have a job and not having one beats me up inside. Part of my reason for coming here was to find something I could do because I am so aimless. I am a self starter when I have a general idea of what can be, needs to be, and should done. Fascism has affected my life within my own household. My parents fell for a type of hyper-conservative propaganda in the past, though not enough to become completely unhinged. They're conservatives at this point, loyal republican voters where they were relatively centrist before. Thankfully the worst of that seems in the past. They at least have the sense to recognize Trump and Desantis are utterly terrible.
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I don't see it in person, but thats because I don't get out much. I should. THat may help give me an idea of what to do. (edited)
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I will be entirely frank. I don't have an immediate goal. It's difficult to think of anything when I don't even have a job and not having one beats me up inside. Part of my reason for coming here was to find something I could do because I am so aimless. I am a self starter when I have a general idea of what can be, needs to be, and should done. Fascism has affected my life within my own household. My parents fell for a type of hyper-conservative propaganda in the past, though not enough to become completely unhinged. They're conservatives at this point, loyal republican voters where they were relatively centrist before. Thankfully the worst of that seems in the past. They at least have the sense to recognize Trump and Desantis are utterly terrible.
Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 2:53 AM
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm amidst changing careers and looking for a job too...I think I'll be freelancing for a while but it suuucks. I'd say be with people to get comfort and direction. I wrote above that in our current era, we've got so many choices about who to be and what to do that we become too diffuse--this sort of isolation that sets in can be from just having more space to explore than people to explore it with. It'd be worth just seeing where people are and what they are doing, limiting your options, to find where community is (and hopefully get employment through connections). You're doing writing? (edited)
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It's not that i'm done writing. I've just entered a cycle of getting thorugh another burst of job applications and am naturally busier because of it. I'm also getting prepared to engage as a host in a campaign of a play by post forum, but thats a lot less of a reason than the other. It bears mentioning though.
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If I don't engage with some of my hobbies i'll lose my mind.
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Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 2:56 AM
What's that? Campaign of play by post?
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RP?
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Imagine a TTRPG game hosted on a forum, yeah.
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Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 3:00 AM
I like that stuff but I end up not not having too much time............. :/ maybe I'll do something. I more want to interact with people irl since I think that'll help my mentality. I've been working and then having some evenings free to do AIF as a "hobby." I also say to ignore the fact that you're not doing what you should be doing/not getting what you want you cuz that'll drive you crazy too.
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Fuck, maybe I'll find a local DnD group.
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@🐓Theisman🐓 Try hitting up AvoidOblivion and Zed-Juron for the Carolinas. I'll try seeing where you're at at a later date.
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joe hill’s revenge 1/28/2023 12:45 PM
I think the best way to start a chapter is to host an initial meeting with 2 liters of soda, pizza and a few bowls of chips and discuss initial plans
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/28/2023 1:32 PM
Ensure everyone involved is socially compatible first. There’s no point to put the effort into organization if animosity breaks it up in a few months.
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Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 10:55 PM
@🐓Theisman🐓 Hi, just wondering if you want to chat to get things rolling.
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Skullmaggot 1/28/2023 11:12 PM
@Eightman Do you happen to know Flower City Firearms? I was thinking of reaching out to them if they're okay.
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AvoidOblivion 1/29/2023 12:06 AM
@Skullmaggot I’m still looking for ways to connect with others in my part of NC, for protests and whatnot. I refuse to use Instagram and Facebook, and just flat-out do not like Snapchat; that limits ways I can connect. I really don’t know how I can even find ways to connect with activist groups in my area that are actually active. (edited)
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🐓Theisman🐓 1/29/2023 12:13 AM
@Skullmaggot I'm heading to bed. Just saw this a few minutes ago. Have family stuff going on tomorrow.
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@Skullmaggot I’m still looking for ways to connect with others in my part of NC, for protests and whatnot. I refuse to use Instagram and Facebook, and just flat-out do not like Snapchat; that limits ways I can connect. I really don’t know how I can even find ways to connect with activist groups in my area that are actually active. (edited)
Skullmaggot 1/29/2023 12:23 AM
Being specific can help, a narrowing of focus. You can look up orgs doing the same thing you want to do. In trying to get people, some people have success with social media or being gregarious. You could seek out minority/indigenous/queer/oppressed groups. Mutual aid groups/food banks are numerous and provide quick connections for the community--I'm actually going to start there myself since I'm starting to organize irl. I'll let you know how things go. It can take time to feel out others to see if they are aligned with what antifascist things you may want to accomplish. Also, let's see if connecting with Theisman here can yield connections and ideas. (edited)
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@Skullmaggot I’m still looking for ways to connect with others in my part of NC, for protests and whatnot. I refuse to use Instagram and Facebook, and just flat-out do not like Snapchat; that limits ways I can connect. I really don’t know how I can even find ways to connect with activist groups in my area that are actually active. (edited)
Skullmaggot 1/29/2023 12:43 AM
Also, Twitter/Mastodon can be a good resource for finding local groups and John Brown Gun Clubs. I'm looking things up for North Carolina now. (edited)
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Carolina Mountain JBGC looks defunct :/
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Charlotte JBGC looks active: https://twitter.com/WatsonBrown13
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@Skullmaggot I’m still looking for ways to connect with others in my part of NC, for protests and whatnot. I refuse to use Instagram and Facebook, and just flat-out do not like Snapchat; that limits ways I can connect. I really don’t know how I can even find ways to connect with activist groups in my area that are actually active. (edited)
Skullmaggot 1/29/2023 12:49 AM
Charlotte JBGC looks active: https://twitter.com/WatsonBrown13
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Charlotte JBGC looks active: https://twitter.com/WatsonBrown13
AvoidOblivion 1/29/2023 7:52 AM
I’m moving soon, and Charlotte is going to be a 4 hour plus drive, unfortunately. In fact, most major places are going to be several hours away.
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Being specific can help, a narrowing of focus. You can look up orgs doing the same thing you want to do. In trying to get people, some people have success with social media or being gregarious. You could seek out minority/indigenous/queer/oppressed groups. Mutual aid groups/food banks are numerous and provide quick connections for the community--I'm actually going to start there myself since I'm starting to organize irl. I'll let you know how things go. It can take time to feel out others to see if they are aligned with what antifascist things you may want to accomplish. Also, let's see if connecting with Theisman here can yield connections and ideas. (edited)
AvoidOblivion 1/29/2023 7:53 AM
Who/what is Theisman?
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@Skullmaggot I know who they are. They're good people. I think a former AIF person hangs with them. (He didn't do anything bad, just felt he didn't have the time to dedicate).
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They formed because the local Socialist Rifle Association is brimming with personality drama, and people get scared of the word "socialist".
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AvoidOblivion 1/29/2023 10:59 AM
I searched them up and didn’t find anything.
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Who/what is Theisman?
Skullmaggot 1/29/2023 11:29 PM
Theisman is a new person in South Carolina. They are above you in this channel and I was wondering if you'd look to connect. I know that you're in North Carolina, but the uniting factor is that Zed-Juron wants to know people in both Carolinas.
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@Skullmaggot I know who they are. They're good people. I think a former AIF person hangs with them. (He didn't do anything bad, just felt he didn't have the time to dedicate).
Skullmaggot 1/29/2023 11:29 PM
Okay, I'll reach out to them.
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Theisman is a new person in South Carolina. They are above you in this channel and I was wondering if you'd look to connect. I know that you're in North Carolina, but the uniting factor is that Zed-Juron wants to know people in both Carolinas.
AvoidOblivion 1/29/2023 11:33 PM
Ohhh. That should have been obvious.
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Ohhh. That should have been obvious.
Skullmaggot 1/29/2023 11:38 PM
As a complete side note, one of the issues I'm trying to address is synchronicity--having people able to have live real-time conversations rather than responding asynchronously back and forth with others every few hours. It's simple to have synchronicity in person, but depending on the design of an online platform, communication may be synchronous or asynchronous. Synchronicity, I believe, is key to bringing people together for organizing. I want to be able to bring synchronicity to a platform that is inherently asynchronous, such as Reddit, and energize the people there.
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Skullmaggot 1/31/2023 3:03 PM
Just putting my generalized thoughts here that: 1) people need people, 2) people need firearms training, 3) people need to involve themselves in antifascist activities. These end up being different locations such as: 1) finding friends or an affinity group through a local org like Food Not Bombs, 2) getting firearms education at SocialistRA or Liberal Gun Club, 3) combining with antifascists in the area to protect people and locations.
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Skullmaggot 1/31/2023 7:32 PM
@Sipping Rebel Tears Hi, mind if we chat about organizing? Do you have someone specific in mind to accomplish or are you looking for direction?
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@AlienX Hi, mind if we chat about organizing? Do you have someone specific in mind to accomplish or are you looking for direction?
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@Skullmaggot I’ll be available to chat more in a few minutes, but yes currently just looking for direction.
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@Skullmaggot I’ll be available to chat more in a few minutes, but yes currently just looking for direction.
Skullmaggot 1/31/2023 7:42 PM
Thanks for replying. I’m still at work so I’ll be replying intermittently, hope that’s not too much trouble.
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@Skullmaggot I’ll be available to chat more in a few minutes, but yes currently just looking for direction.
Skullmaggot 1/31/2023 7:46 PM
One of the bigger things to accomplish is setting up community defense to protect vulnerable groups from abusive fascists and cops, but this depends on the individual and their resources. Was that something you’d be interested in? Do you wish to attend protests? I’m assuming people are looking to organize irl, but there’s also online stuff to be done.
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One of the bigger things to accomplish is setting up community defense to protect vulnerable groups from abusive fascists and cops, but this depends on the individual and their resources. Was that something you’d be interested in? Do you wish to attend protests? I’m assuming people are looking to organize irl, but there’s also online stuff to be done.
I would be interested in community defense and attending protests as well as whatever I can do online. I don’t imagine I’ll have many opportunities to get out there, based on my location.
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I would be interested in community defense and attending protests as well as whatever I can do online. I don’t imagine I’ll have many opportunities to get out there, based on my location.
Skullmaggot 1/31/2023 9:40 PM
K. Right now, probably check in with @AvoidOblivion . I don’t know how near you are to one another (don’t share your exact location in this public Discord, it is not secure) but you should be aware of one another. The best thing to do is to see if you can find local buddies. I’m guessing most people don’t quite have local buddies, so see if you can find a local SocialistRA or Liberal Gun Club to find connections for community defense. You can also show up at local food banks (e.g. Food Not Bombs) to get familiar with who’s in your community before popping the question of taking antifascist action. The current state of things is that some gregarious people have developed affinity groups while others are struggling to find people to join up with. My own aim is to address national organization and make connections. I’m no expert at organizing, but I can give you an infinite number of things to try that could help you organize, and I’d want to “download” your skills to help me train up others. Just be sure to purposefully seek me out because I’ll be tied up talking with a hundred other people. The best thing online you can do is to chat up the people here, get familiar, and see if you can give one another tasks to do. Knock heads together and think about the steps to take to generate an assembly line towards organization. We also have a partial and naive (i.e. non-expert) handbook that may be of some use if you’d want that.
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Skullmaggot 1/31/2023 10:11 PM
@Spinner I’m figuring things out and it’s become apparent to me that I should be talking with naturally forming friend groups on here to see if they are able to take on tasks. Do you have others that you can give tasks to? My main thing is to make sure everybody who is interested in community defense can attempt to reach out to either a local SocialistRA or Liberal Gun Club. Others lacking local SRAs/LGCs or those not interested in community defense can instead find a local food bank to join to get talking about issues in their community. Both of these mean going to places in person and making connections. Are you able to speak with people, or do you have other ideas you want to try?
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@AvoidOblivion I’ve got a question: Do you have a friend group developing on here? Are you able to give one another things to do?
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@Zed-Juron @Aces high Same as above. ^^^^^^
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Skullmaggot 1/31/2023 10:32 PM
Actually, community fridges instead of food banks, necessarily.
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@AvoidOblivion I’ve got a question: Do you have a friend group developing on here? Are you able to give one another things to do?
AvoidOblivion 1/31/2023 10:41 PM
I wouldn’t say so. I have messaged a bit with @archon regarding the country he designed for a class and another, and I began to create one, but have been busy over the past few weeks and haven’t been able to talk as much as we used to.
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Plus, unfortunately me and @AvoidOblivion are hours away from eachother. He's to the north of the state while I'm in the south.
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AvoidOblivion 1/31/2023 10:58 PM
I’m in southeastern North Carolina.
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I’m in southeastern North Carolina.
I'm sorry, I got you confused with someone else
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/31/2023 11:00 PM
Once it warms up and school cools down I’m going to get a lot more into organizing, I’m just in a bout of very bad burnout with school and need to use whatever motivation I can get to not fail
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i was at a school that was 2 years ahead for the past 5 years why is my year in an easy ass public school the hardest it makes no fucking sense
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Skullmaggot 2/1/2023 1:51 AM
@hucklebearer Hi, saw your post in #medics . Would you want to chat about organizing? What's your goals/what have you been working on? Right now, I'd imagine people are simply looking for others in their area to join up. You'd probably do better working to find local people to teach, or perhaps chatting up the other medical professionals here. Making friends and moving towards in-person and synchronous conversations will help.
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@Zed-Juron @Aces high Same as above. ^^^^^^
I wouldn't say that I have a friend group on here, and due to the number of members there hasn't yet been a need for any sort of task delegation. (I am new to the idea of founding a new local chapter). Part of that in my eyes is outreach, and participation in local events/ protests/ whatever else where we can, but I have only been able to find one other group in SC that was doing some counter demonstrations.
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that speaks to another, probably larger issue, of how red SC is (and to a lesser extent NC). There doesn't seem to be some pre-existing groups for us to go out and work with (again only found one). Forming a catch 22 of there are no protests because no one is organized but this no organization because no one is meeting up (Commonly done at protests). Another issue is distance. Oblivion mentioned in their post that because they are moving they are going to be 4 hours a way from a city which is the hot bed of activity. I encountered a similar issue looking for a JBGC, the nearest one was across the border and 4 hours away in like Greenville which is not a drive I can make often. I am hoping with efforts like with the flyer drive we can get more people active, but I am looking for other ideas. In general members of the Carolina chapter(s) are going to have to be largely independent and self driven at this stage. Sorry this got so long, and may not make sense, I just woke up and haven't had any caffeine yet. (edited)
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that speaks to another, probably larger issue, of how red SC is (and to a lesser extent NC). There doesn't seem to be some pre-existing groups for us to go out and work with (again only found one). Forming a catch 22 of there are no protests because no one is organized but this no organization because no one is meeting up (Commonly done at protests). Another issue is distance. Oblivion mentioned in their post that because they are moving they are going to be 4 hours a way from a city which is the hot bed of activity. I encountered a similar issue looking for a JBGC, the nearest one was across the border and 4 hours away in like Greenville which is not a drive I can make often. I am hoping with efforts like with the flyer drive we can get more people active, but I am looking for other ideas. In general members of the Carolina chapter(s) are going to have to be largely independent and self driven at this stage. Sorry this got so long, and may not make sense, I just woke up and haven't had any caffeine yet. (edited)
Skullmaggot 2/1/2023 3:40 PM
No, it makes sense. Finding like-minded people is the main problem. It’s been suggested to find people at community fridges and colleges. Have you checked in with any local SocialistRAs or Liberal Gun Clubs? They should have connections and training. You can also ask help from people to gain information. People want to help but they don’t necessarily know what to do, so if you can give people things to do (like looking up local resources), that’ll heighten the level of organization. And I can give you things to do if you want an endless list. (edited)
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I wouldn't say that I have a friend group on here, and due to the number of members there hasn't yet been a need for any sort of task delegation. (I am new to the idea of founding a new local chapter). Part of that in my eyes is outreach, and participation in local events/ protests/ whatever else where we can, but I have only been able to find one other group in SC that was doing some counter demonstrations.
Skullmaggot 2/1/2023 5:17 PM
Mind if I get a little abstract as well? The only real problem that organizing faces is separation. When people are together, they put their heads together. Everybody ought to be brought into a single space (as best you can) to get talking. (So, that other group you know, I’d like to know where their discussion spaces are and see how well we can merge discussions.) Another thing people are separated by is time. Try to have synchronous conversations rather than asynchronous conversations so that people are engaged with one another. A third kind of separation is having too many goals. If you have twenty people with twenty different goals, you won’t get people helping one another. People need to talk (at least temporarily until they get more people and infrastructure) about how to limit the number of goals they want to tackle and converge upon fewer goals that more people can focus their time upon.
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No, it makes sense. Finding like-minded people is the main problem. It’s been suggested to find people at community fridges and colleges. Have you checked in with any local SocialistRAs or Liberal Gun Clubs? They should have connections and training. You can also ask help from people to gain information. People want to help but they don’t necessarily know what to do, so if you can give people things to do (like looking up local resources), that’ll heighten the level of organization. And I can give you things to do if you want an endless list. (edited)
Steve Mike 2/1/2023 6:37 PM
I have been struggling to find the others, and recently I am starting to make some good connections. Here's some areas that seem to be showing promise: 1. Volunteering at urban community gardens, seed banks, conservation groups, hiking clubs: get to do shit IRL that makes a difference for the environment, and network. Most of these folks are sympathetic to our beliefs. 2. Democratic Socialists of America: these people are very active in local politics which gets you plugged in to protests, unionization efforts, and meeting lots of people. Brilliant thinkers and you can fuck shit up locally 3. LGBTQ groups: defend rights of marginalized people. As a cis gender white male nothing gets my fucking rocks off harder than standing up to these stupid nazi redneck fucks. Test your superior race shit out on me motherfucker, I didn't graduate top of my class in boot camp for nothing. I have found overlap of membership in all 3 of these areas. All groups seem to be left leaning, anti-fascist, solid people you can form good friendships with
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/1/2023 7:09 PM
DSA IS VERY GOOD.
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There’s a whole joke that DSA is less an organization and more a meeting place for you to find people to make your own groups
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No, it makes sense. Finding like-minded people is the main problem. It’s been suggested to find people at community fridges and colleges. Have you checked in with any local SocialistRAs or Liberal Gun Clubs? They should have connections and training. You can also ask help from people to gain information. People want to help but they don’t necessarily know what to do, so if you can give people things to do (like looking up local resources), that’ll heighten the level of organization. And I can give you things to do if you want an endless list. (edited)
haha yeah I've tried to find a local LGC or SRA club, but this is the Carolinas we are talking about. They are very very red states, leftist orgs seem very limited. There was not an LGC, and my previous experience with the SRA was extremely poor, other AIF members experienced similar issues with that org. As far as goals go I think right now we need to grow/ network @🐓Theisman🐓 and @AvoidOblivion can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the unifying goal is recruitment. Any other actions taken at present just be one person on the side of the road, holding a sign, looking like a wierdo which I think maybe counter productive. People would take us more seriously if like 4-5 people showed up. Which is why things like the flyer drive are important. SC also is reintroducing an abortion ban bill, hopefully there are at least small protests at the capital that I at least can participate in.
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haha yeah I've tried to find a local LGC or SRA club, but this is the Carolinas we are talking about. They are very very red states, leftist orgs seem very limited. There was not an LGC, and my previous experience with the SRA was extremely poor, other AIF members experienced similar issues with that org. As far as goals go I think right now we need to grow/ network @🐓Theisman🐓 and @AvoidOblivion can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the unifying goal is recruitment. Any other actions taken at present just be one person on the side of the road, holding a sign, looking like a wierdo which I think maybe counter productive. People would take us more seriously if like 4-5 people showed up. Which is why things like the flyer drive are important. SC also is reintroducing an abortion ban bill, hopefully there are at least small protests at the capital that I at least can participate in.
AvoidOblivion 2/1/2023 7:38 PM
I completely agree.
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haha yeah I've tried to find a local LGC or SRA club, but this is the Carolinas we are talking about. They are very very red states, leftist orgs seem very limited. There was not an LGC, and my previous experience with the SRA was extremely poor, other AIF members experienced similar issues with that org. As far as goals go I think right now we need to grow/ network @🐓Theisman🐓 and @AvoidOblivion can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the unifying goal is recruitment. Any other actions taken at present just be one person on the side of the road, holding a sign, looking like a wierdo which I think maybe counter productive. People would take us more seriously if like 4-5 people showed up. Which is why things like the flyer drive are important. SC also is reintroducing an abortion ban bill, hopefully there are at least small protests at the capital that I at least can participate in.
Skullmaggot 2/1/2023 7:59 PM
Recruitment is always a goal, but then people ask, “Recruitment for what?” People have big or long-term goals, but I want to compile more immediate, concrete, and measurable goals—what do you want to increase in numbers, what do you want to decrease in numbers?
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I have been struggling to find the others, and recently I am starting to make some good connections. Here's some areas that seem to be showing promise: 1. Volunteering at urban community gardens, seed banks, conservation groups, hiking clubs: get to do shit IRL that makes a difference for the environment, and network. Most of these folks are sympathetic to our beliefs. 2. Democratic Socialists of America: these people are very active in local politics which gets you plugged in to protests, unionization efforts, and meeting lots of people. Brilliant thinkers and you can fuck shit up locally 3. LGBTQ groups: defend rights of marginalized people. As a cis gender white male nothing gets my fucking rocks off harder than standing up to these stupid nazi redneck fucks. Test your superior race shit out on me motherfucker, I didn't graduate top of my class in boot camp for nothing. I have found overlap of membership in all 3 of these areas. All groups seem to be left leaning, anti-fascist, solid people you can form good friendships with
Skullmaggot 2/1/2023 8:01 PM
Thanks for this. For some reason I forgot about the DSA, I think because I couldn’t break into what they had/I couldn’t network without membership fees or something.
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I have been struggling to find the others, and recently I am starting to make some good connections. Here's some areas that seem to be showing promise: 1. Volunteering at urban community gardens, seed banks, conservation groups, hiking clubs: get to do shit IRL that makes a difference for the environment, and network. Most of these folks are sympathetic to our beliefs. 2. Democratic Socialists of America: these people are very active in local politics which gets you plugged in to protests, unionization efforts, and meeting lots of people. Brilliant thinkers and you can fuck shit up locally 3. LGBTQ groups: defend rights of marginalized people. As a cis gender white male nothing gets my fucking rocks off harder than standing up to these stupid nazi redneck fucks. Test your superior race shit out on me motherfucker, I didn't graduate top of my class in boot camp for nothing. I have found overlap of membership in all 3 of these areas. All groups seem to be left leaning, anti-fascist, solid people you can form good friendships with
Skullmaggot 2/1/2023 8:08 PM
Another thing to tackle is density—it would be emboldening to have everyone concentrated into a single discussion space. The world and internet are huge, and we don’t need to dilute people into separate spaces. I also would want to promote more synchronous conversations instead of asynchronous ones. Do we have access to others’ discussion spaces and can we wrap them all together?
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I have been struggling to find the others, and recently I am starting to make some good connections. Here's some areas that seem to be showing promise: 1. Volunteering at urban community gardens, seed banks, conservation groups, hiking clubs: get to do shit IRL that makes a difference for the environment, and network. Most of these folks are sympathetic to our beliefs. 2. Democratic Socialists of America: these people are very active in local politics which gets you plugged in to protests, unionization efforts, and meeting lots of people. Brilliant thinkers and you can fuck shit up locally 3. LGBTQ groups: defend rights of marginalized people. As a cis gender white male nothing gets my fucking rocks off harder than standing up to these stupid nazi redneck fucks. Test your superior race shit out on me motherfucker, I didn't graduate top of my class in boot camp for nothing. I have found overlap of membership in all 3 of these areas. All groups seem to be left leaning, anti-fascist, solid people you can form good friendships with
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/1/2023 8:26 PM
There's not really a DSA chapter in my area but there is an SRA chapter.
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Recruitment is always a goal, but then people ask, “Recruitment for what?” People have big or long-term goals, but I want to compile more immediate, concrete, and measurable goals—what do you want to increase in numbers, what do you want to decrease in numbers?
right now we need to build "infrastructure" for local support. Right now if I said show up at x at y time to do z I'd be alone. Ideally we'd have enough people that if I put out a call to arms. We are in a very catch 22 position right now. As far as increasing in numbers I love to have more protests down in columbia, specifically because the legislature keeps introducing laws like restrictive abortion bans and the like.
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right now we need to build "infrastructure" for local support. Right now if I said show up at x at y time to do z I'd be alone. Ideally we'd have enough people that if I put out a call to arms. We are in a very catch 22 position right now. As far as increasing in numbers I love to have more protests down in columbia, specifically because the legislature keeps introducing laws like restrictive abortion bans and the like.
Skullmaggot 2/1/2023 10:17 PM
We're always in a catch 22! But yeah, best make a list of local groups to visit and keep an eye out for protests.
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🐓Theisman🐓 2/1/2023 11:48 PM
@Zed-Juron @AvoidOblivion permission to DM to figure out what we could work on together without tying up the AIF discord?
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@Zed-Juron @AvoidOblivion permission to DM to figure out what we could work on together without tying up the AIF discord?
go ahead, dms are open
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@Zed-Juron @AvoidOblivion permission to DM to figure out what we could work on together without tying up the AIF discord?
AvoidOblivion 2/2/2023 7:52 AM
Sure.
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AldotheApache 2/3/2023 7:25 AM
@Zed-Juron The following is a directory of progressive leaning orgs across the country. They may not be JBGC or SRA but are spaces to make connects and potentially recruit as well as get access to organizing training and network. https://www.actlocal.network
ActLocal is a national network focused on strengthening progressive coordination by convening local events, providing best-practices, and listing organizations.
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@Zed-Juron The following is a directory of progressive leaning orgs across the country. They may not be JBGC or SRA but are spaces to make connects and potentially recruit as well as get access to organizing training and network. https://www.actlocal.network
Skullmaggot 2/3/2023 11:38 PM
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
There's not really a DSA chapter in my area but there is an SRA chapter.
Be careful. SRA requires legal name on record through payment of dues. They have a history of poor security regarding personal data. Radical AuthComs joined SRA enmass after they did two high profile violent attacks on DSA meetings and had to disband their previous org. SRA has a justice process which gives accused members zero say in their defense. Authcoms use it to discredit and expel members who speak out against Authcom ideologies. They have atrocious history of financial record keeping. They have a paid national staff using dues that should have been sent to the chapters to use. There are some good people who are members, but as far as an organization I've never seen a worse one.
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Be careful. SRA requires legal name on record through payment of dues. They have a history of poor security regarding personal data. Radical AuthComs joined SRA enmass after they did two high profile violent attacks on DSA meetings and had to disband their previous org. SRA has a justice process which gives accused members zero say in their defense. Authcoms use it to discredit and expel members who speak out against Authcom ideologies. They have atrocious history of financial record keeping. They have a paid national staff using dues that should have been sent to the chapters to use. There are some good people who are members, but as far as an organization I've never seen a worse one.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/4/2023 3:27 PM
https://twitter.com/OrangecountySra/status/1585822034260414466?s=20&t=vMxdol_oEDmAD2aN3oXnuQ Well, at the very least, my local chapter has a sense of humor.
Now that our great overlord has taken ownership of this platform, always remember to reach out to your neighbors and community members to have authentic dialogues. In the meantime we'd like to remind people that #ELONMUSK is objectively a dick. https://t.co/Zakh6Rk01V
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://twitter.com/OrangecountySra/status/1585822034260414466?s=20&t=vMxdol_oEDmAD2aN3oXnuQ Well, at the very least, my local chapter has a sense of humor.
I've heard some chapters are cool. Just not the two I've interacted with. (edited)
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Mind you there were good folks in them... but both times the good folks were like "We have to work with these fucks to do the things we want to, but they are real assholes."
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"We just don't talk much outside of mutual aid work IRL because (the folks in charge) will get (all kinds of reactionary)." (edited)
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Be careful. SRA requires legal name on record through payment of dues. They have a history of poor security regarding personal data. Radical AuthComs joined SRA enmass after they did two high profile violent attacks on DSA meetings and had to disband their previous org. SRA has a justice process which gives accused members zero say in their defense. Authcoms use it to discredit and expel members who speak out against Authcom ideologies. They have atrocious history of financial record keeping. They have a paid national staff using dues that should have been sent to the chapters to use. There are some good people who are members, but as far as an organization I've never seen a worse one.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/4/2023 3:49 PM
Honestly, the poor history of record-keeping already made me nope out. I already have to deal with that from the California DOJ which is notorious for leaking gun owners' data like a sieve.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Honestly, the poor history of record-keeping already made me nope out. I already have to deal with that from the California DOJ which is notorious for leaking gun owners' data like a sieve.
nod That was the next to last straw for me. The first was when I saw them not even investigate an authcom for bullying others by telling them they were shitty for not supporting violent insurrection (explicitly mentioning making bombs in the process). Just totally let that slide, but suspended another person for "sectarian provocation" because they spoke against authcom ideology without insulting anyone.
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nod That was the next to last straw for me. The first was when I saw them not even investigate an authcom for bullying others by telling them they were shitty for not supporting violent insurrection (explicitly mentioning making bombs in the process). Just totally let that slide, but suspended another person for "sectarian provocation" because they spoke against authcom ideology without insulting anyone.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/4/2023 6:58 PM
Speaking of which, I found out the name of that one group you were talking about yesterday. They're called the Red Right Hand Rifle Syndicate.
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I was one of their investigators, and I was explicitly told to leave the authcom bully bomb shit alone.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Speaking of which, I found out the name of that one group you were talking about yesterday. They're called the Red Right Hand Rifle Syndicate.
Not the same group. The group I'm thinking of disbanded in 2019.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/4/2023 6:59 PM
Ah. My bad.
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No worries... looks like those dudes were using SRA imagery... probably members... which means more federal scrutiny for an org already in danger of losing it's 501c status.
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nod That was the next to last straw for me. The first was when I saw them not even investigate an authcom for bullying others by telling them they were shitty for not supporting violent insurrection (explicitly mentioning making bombs in the process). Just totally let that slide, but suspended another person for "sectarian provocation" because they spoke against authcom ideology without insulting anyone.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/4/2023 8:01 PM
I don’t get that at all. Someone may be totally in favor of more kinetic actions but just shut up about to it keep cops off their ass.
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I don’t get that at all. Someone may be totally in favor of more kinetic actions but just shut up about to it keep cops off their ass.
Like all authcoms they have to tout their willingness to kill to bolster their lack of valid ideology.
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And if they can insult people by doing so... all the better.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 2:27 AM
Sheesh
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://twitter.com/OrangecountySra/status/1585822034260414466?s=20&t=vMxdol_oEDmAD2aN3oXnuQ Well, at the very least, my local chapter has a sense of humor.
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 2:45 AM
Oh, since you're in California, I just want you to be aware of WilloweA (Central California), Comrade J (Northern California), and myself (Northern California). WilloweA's already got some connections, so maybe they'd be able to help you out. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 4:25 PM
Just posting something here as I iron out some thought processes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_media_(U.S._political_left).
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I think we need to make a move to support more leftist media.
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joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 5:03 PM
John oliver is alternative?
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 5:21 PM
...eh
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I think we need to make a move to support more leftist media.
Disagree. I've watched the entire rise of breadtube, and unless you are talking about folks like Beau of the Fifth Column or InRange there is a whole lot of reactionary bullshit breadtube out there. It would take thousands of hours of just watching fuckers talk to determine who isn't just out for themselves, and who promotes other efforts. Little hint, the more popular they are, the less likely they are to promote people other than themselves or those who will make them more popular. So you get stuck supporting either low viewership high value media with little chance of exposure and a lot of effort... or you get lumped in with fuckers who only use it to make a couple hundred thousand a year and don't do fuck all to help anyone other than the other fuckers who are living high on the hog over it.
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The alternative is to create your own media arm and become one of the other less popular breadtubers... eventually maybe making federation with other low viewership breadtubers who aren't all about self promotion.
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I could see us doing an official AIF TikTok... maybe doing voiceovers of our print media. But then we're using a platform that is specifically a propaganda/chaos tool of the CCP. (edited)
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That said... there are a few very good low viewership vids/content makers who have come across our discord, that could eventually be linked to via our own efforts.
6:03 PM
But stay far the fuck away from Lee Camp. He's just a mouthpiece for Putin.
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The alternative is to create your own media arm and become one of the other less popular breadtubers... eventually maybe making federation with other low viewership breadtubers who aren't all about self promotion.
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:00 PM
I am actually particularly thinking about the tv news networks and getting more liberal or leftist news out to the American public (specifically on tv). Or, as best we can, create a cycle of having news that liberals/leftists are looking for, getting stimulated by such news, and then again supporting and growing such news. Not everyone is liberal or leftist here, but I don’t think such news stations are big enough or have a big enough audience despite the United States overall leftwards lean. If we’re doing breadtube, yeah, a federation of smaller content creators seems alright. That’s probably for the future. Right now, I’m focusing on just getting people to find local people and build their network, antifascist and otherwise.
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I am actually particularly thinking about the tv news networks and getting more liberal or leftist news out to the American public (specifically on tv). Or, as best we can, create a cycle of having news that liberals/leftists are looking for, getting stimulated by such news, and then again supporting and growing such news. Not everyone is liberal or leftist here, but I don’t think such news stations are big enough or have a big enough audience despite the United States overall leftwards lean. If we’re doing breadtube, yeah, a federation of smaller content creators seems alright. That’s probably for the future. Right now, I’m focusing on just getting people to find local people and build their network, antifascist and otherwise.
If they are powerful enough to have a network time slot... they are not alternative media and they will have an establishment bias. Which means no matter how hard you prepare for an interview it will be edited to paint it in a favorable light to the establishment they serve. Not everyone here is liberal or leftist... true... but at some point everyone here will face the fact that the establishment of government here doesn't work in the favor of people and exploits them. Their allegiances will be challenged whether they like it or not. If we survive long enough as a nation to stamp out christo-fascism... corpo-fascism will fill the void it leaves... since it already has majority control over the nation it's likely it will keep Christo-fascism at bay. The corpo-fascists are focusing their attention on Christo-fascists for now... but they know anti-fascism is their enemy too... even if some people here don't realize it yet.
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On the subject of building networks, the meeting notes have some good stuff there. I've said it before, for things of this nature it's FAR better to invite someone you've already been interacting with regularly for six months to a year into something than try to vet someone coming in on their own. So yeah, fully support developing connections through adjacent/allied projects. But the most allied projects (and thus the likely place for successful recruiting) are mutual aid. Which is by definition leftist. (edited)
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There are a huge number of people out there who hate all the aspects of fascism in this country (even if they don't identify it as fascism). But they feel powerless to do anything about it. Finding those people, and giving them a way to plug in to a larger effort, is critical. But that can't be done publicly through media without massive risk to everyone involved. So yeah talking about stuff with folks and finding out their position on the issues and their level of frustration... that's a critical component to growing a solid and secure network of folks. (edited)
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There are a huge number of people out there who hate all the aspects of fascism in this country (even if they don't identify it as fascism). But they feel powerless to do anything about it. Finding those people, and giving them a way to plug in to a larger effort, is critical. But that can't be done publicly through media without massive risk to everyone involved. So yeah talking about stuff with folks and finding out their position on the issues and their level of frustration... that's a critical component to growing a solid and secure network of folks. (edited)
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:34 PM
Exactly. I’m going to point out though that power goes to those who organize. Fascists and corporations are already organized, and others need to organize better to exert their power. Each of these groups push forth their values at the expense of other groups. When and if leftists or liberals gain control, they will be seen as tyrannical by other groups with different values. However, the difference between these groups is how much death they cause. I see socialism as something that the US needs to try to lower the death and suffering experienced by those who have yet to organize.
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There are a huge number of people out there who hate all the aspects of fascism in this country (even if they don't identify it as fascism). But they feel powerless to do anything about it. Finding those people, and giving them a way to plug in to a larger effort, is critical. But that can't be done publicly through media without massive risk to everyone involved. So yeah talking about stuff with folks and finding out their position on the issues and their level of frustration... that's a critical component to growing a solid and secure network of folks. (edited)
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:35 PM
Another thing is of course that organization takes work. I want to see how well I can leverage technology to automate various aspects of organizing.
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Exactly. I’m going to point out though that power goes to those who organize. Fascists and corporations are already organized, and others need to organize better to exert their power. Each of these groups push forth their values at the expense of other groups. When and if leftists or liberals gain control, they will be seen as tyrannical by other groups with different values. However, the difference between these groups is how much death they cause. I see socialism as something that the US needs to try to lower the death and suffering experienced by those who have yet to organize.
In principle I agree... but only because socialism is a cousin of egalitarianism. I do not however believe any governmental structure where authority lies in the governing of more than 20 people is capable of enacting socialism.
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In principle I agree... but only because socialism is a cousin of egalitarianism. I do not however believe any governmental structure where authority lies in the governing of more than 20 people is capable of enacting socialism.
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:36 PM
I agree, but hierarchies exist because egalitarianism isn’t the only societal value. (edited)
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I agree, but hierarchies exist because egalitarianism isn’t the only societal value. (edited)
Hierarchies exist because we've allowed psychopaths to gain control of social constructs. Our predecessor humans did not.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:38 PM
Reversing hierarchies means a capacity for more redundancy.
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Our genetics is not supportive of hierarchy. It's supportive of mutualism.
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Hierarchies exist because we've allowed psychopaths to gain control of social constructs. Our predecessor humans did not.
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:38 PM
Psychopaths are always after power. Hierarchies exist because a non-hierarchical body is not organized and not powerful.
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Yet
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(note) I don't use the term psychopath lightly.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:38 PM
I mean
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As for genetics, in the natural world, you see all sorts of behavior in animals. People have the capacity for anything, so you will see everything.
7:40 PM
Right now, I see countering fascism as an economic and organizational problem—both of which we can use technology to show us the way.
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As for genetics, in the natural world, you see all sorts of behavior in animals. People have the capacity for anything, so you will see everything.
I'm not talking about animal species other than Homo-Sapien. Hominids specifically developed a mechanism by which we are immediately rewarded for supporting another human being (and indeed other animals), there is no immediate reward for the opposite within humans.
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And outside of Canidae there aren't very many other species with the same or similar centers of the brain. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:42 PM
When resources are scarce, people take care of themselves first. Also, animals, including humans, behave more selfishly the more dispersed they are. Empathy correlates with population density.
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When resources are scarce, people take care of themselves first. Also, animals, including humans, behave more selfishly the more dispersed they are. Empathy correlates with population density.
Scale matters. Which is why 20 people is my limit. When resources are scarce large societies break down... but they don't break down to the individual they break down into the social group.
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Furthermore, people take care of themselves first because they've been conditioned by psychopaths to believe that is the right thing to do. But media and research proves that even the most destitute think of others within their social group as equals even at their lowest point.
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You will never stop finding examples of people who were conditioned to think only for themselves who have the guilt realization that attitude is wrong either prior to their selfish action, or after the fact.
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We have some of the most rabid anti-fascists specifically because of their personal guilt over things they've done.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:47 PM
I’m looking at how things change over time. Leftwards lean correlates with increasing population density. The same person in two different environments will vote differently.
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I can tell you why... Because fascists spent billions of dollars on think tanks through the 70's - 90's developing the psychological tools to manipulate uneducated people through marketing. And then they spent billions on pushing substandard education.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:48 PM
I know, they are organized.
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They also are older with more wealth to use.
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I'm not arguing that we don't need to be more organized. But I am arguing that organizing with the intention of a large scale structure is a roadmap to just the same outcome with a different name and different people in charge.
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7:50 PM
It's easier to manipulate a million people than it is ten.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:50 PM
That’s what I was pointing out too
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Ten can take you out behind a barn and beat sense into you. A million can't even find out where you live.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:51 PM
I’d expect through organization you just get a similar hierarchical structure prone to the same temptations.
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I’d expect through organization you just get a similar hierarchical structure prone to the same temptations.
Anything that is meant to be representative with top down authority yes.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:51 PM
It takes work to organize, so most people don’t organize, which creates a hierarchy every time.
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However if you flip the authority. That changes everything.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 7:52 PM
How so?
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How so?
Imagine an apartment building. Under our current structure the owner(s) of the building are effectively lords (hence the name landlord)... they make decisions and if the tenants don't abide by whatever insane rule they institute the lord can evict them... making them now homeless. But if every four units of an apartment made decisions for themselves (typical medium density apartments are 4 apartments to a communal entrance area), and they each sent a representative to a building council, and each building sent a representative to the complex council... well no one ends up having insane rules forced down their throat by some rich asshole who doesn't even live there. (edited)
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Because if not all of the basic level of structure agreed to a change proposed that would effect all, then they just wouldn't be subjected to it.
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If enough didn't want to be subjected to it... no one would.
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However if proposals for say mutually beneficial changes were made opt in... most would probably opt in for their own benefit.
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I say this because as it stands right now our culture alienates neighbors from one another on purpose... to diminish their ability to organize. But by consistently working together immediate neighbors become bonded by doing so and become an affinity group capable of organizing for their own benefit and by elevating one another having time and energy to elevate others.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 8:02 PM
I think then we’d need to highlight in society how each (fascist) action threatens one’s ability to organize for better conditions. Our values are under attack.
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And I want metrics.
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I think then we’d need to highlight in society how each (fascist) action threatens one’s ability to organize for better conditions. Our values are under attack.
That's one method of attack yes... But you pointed out a problem that is an intentional side effect of corpofascism. People don't have the time to work on organizing. They spend most of their energy per day barely surviving.
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8:03 PM
that's by design.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 8:03 PM
Yeeeep
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My father just says he gives up trying to do anything.
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You want organized anti-fascism... so do I... but pointing out the flaws in the opposition is only one ineffective aspect without the other. You must create a sub-culture capable of allowing people the time and spoons to pick up the tools needed to fight.
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And that sub-culture has to by definition be leftist.
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Because it has to support people within capitalism.
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So that they can focus on the fight.
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My father just says he gives up trying to do anything.
Exactly... people are satisfied with their gladiatorial games (sports/hobbies) because they feel they cannot contribute to meaningful change while trying to survive in this collapsing system.
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You've got to build the structures to support people through general strikes, to support people working full time on propaganda and organizing, to support people learning skills necessary when (not if) shit hits the fan.
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You do that... and you'll have parent millenials, you'll have all of Gen X who has been itching for a chance to make change since we were teens, you'll have people flocking to help.
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My father just says he gives up trying to do anything.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/5/2023 8:11 PM
My mom has the same problem. I was venting to her about politics and she told me I should stop worrying about things that don't affect me. Mom, I live in this country. It DOES affect me. (edited)
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Coincidentally... by doing that, when shit hits the fan, you also have a structure that can save lives and fight for survival.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
My mom has the same problem. I was venting to her about politics and she told me I should stop worrying about things that don't affect me. Mom, I live in this country. It DOES affect me. (edited)
Her sanity defense mechanism to a lifetime of being gaslit into believing she cannot make positive change in the world. I feel bad for her.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/5/2023 8:12 PM
I want a world where she doesn't have to work a corporate job where half her higher-ups are greedy morons and my dad's teaching job isn't kicked in the chin by the government.
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I want a world where she doesn't have to work a corporate job where half her higher-ups are greedy morons and my dad's teaching job isn't kicked in the chin by the government.
Hear him! Hear Him!
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/5/2023 8:13 PM
Is that too much to ask?
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 8:13 PM
Sorry, I had to suddenly go. It’s about dinner time.
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No. I can build a space for 20 people in six months with the cost of a single family home. It's totally possible. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/5/2023 8:13 PM
Sorry, I needed to vent.
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And that sub-culture has to by definition be leftist.
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 8:15 PM
It can be leftist but I don’t want it to push away centrists and conservatives. You need numbers and their support as well.
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Sorry, I needed to vent.
No apology needed. When Covid hit and I took it on the chin and became homeless because of those kinds of morons... I said fuckit and decided to never put myself and my wife in that position again. Even if it meant being homeless living in a broken down RV while we work to build something to lead by example.
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It can be leftist but I don’t want it to push away centrists and conservatives. You need numbers and their support as well.
You don't. That's a fallacy. Most centrists and conservatives are sheep... they follow where others go. You create the examples you want to see and people will follow. You DO NOT sacrifice your values to appease those who would leave you starve to death.
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Democrats have been doing that since the 70's and look where it's got them. RvWade gone... violence against homosexuals and trans folks that exceeds that of the 1950s when it was actually illegal still... and the complete and utter erosion of the experiment of this nation into corrupt and self serving psychopaths hands.
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Centrists and conservatives have been eroding the very things which produced an unparalleled quality of life (even for most of the poor in this nation). They have already shown their true colors. You will not get them to assist. When food production drops off from climate change... they will be the ones shooting people at grocery stores when the deliveries finally make it. Be the people growing and delivering food to people instead... that will earn you all the allies you'll ever need.
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Centrists and conservatives have been eroding the very things which produced an unparalleled quality of life (even for most of the poor in this nation). They have already shown their true colors. You will not get them to assist. When food production drops off from climate change... they will be the ones shooting people at grocery stores when the deliveries finally make it. Be the people growing and delivering food to people instead... that will earn you all the allies you'll ever need.
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 8:36 PM
I’d expect food to be grown in controlled conditions indoors in vertical farms when food production drops in traditional agriculture. Food will be grown directly in urban cities, so it will be urban and liberal values that will dominate. Rural conservative areas will become more destitute, especially during heavier AI automation that will further strip them of work. I think the left is gaining power and will have a heavy hand against the right’s bluff. I still don’t want people to starve, conservative or liberal. I’m not going to turn people away but rather direct resources towards education.
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I’d expect food to be grown in controlled conditions indoors in vertical farms when food production drops in traditional agriculture. Food will be grown directly in urban cities, so it will be urban and liberal values that will dominate. Rural conservative areas will become more destitute, especially during heavier AI automation that will further strip them of work. I think the left is gaining power and will have a heavy hand against the right’s bluff. I still don’t want people to starve, conservative or liberal. I’m not going to turn people away but rather direct resources towards education.
Wishful thinking, no one is investing the billions necessary to make that happen soon enough.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 8:41 PM
Gotham Greens bagged a $310M funding round sending total investments made in indoor vertical farming companies to an impressive $2.4Bn
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Assuming it isn't yet another investment scam (which venture capitalists love to do), that funding would ultimately feed just the wealthiest 1% of the population... at best... maybe 3 million people would get their greens from that. At the rate they are getting funding that means about 15% of the population can get their food from there. You can bet not a single bushel will find it's way into the redline districts.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 9:39 PM
Hmm, k
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What’s to do about that?
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 10:32 PM
How can that be monitored, at least?
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What’s to do about that?
They are gonna let us all starve to death and have cops beat us to death when we start starving... and they have set up all the laws to act in their favor. So... you got two options. One I shant mention here. And the other is to start building the infrastructure necessary to survive for ourselves.
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10:55 PM
It costs about the same cost as a single family home to build a sustainable residence for 20 people that can feed 100.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 10:56 PM
I know we can build sustainable residences, but the problem is healthcare after that.
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People in self-sustaining residences won't necessarily make the money needed for healthcare.
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As far as I reckon.
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Every problem has a solution. First, most health issues disappear when people eat healthy non-processed foods.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 10:57 PM
Not injuries though necessarily
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Second you can use the time building to recruit and or train folks in health care needs... you build not just sustainable residences, but interlocking federated collectives that each serve different needs.
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Not injuries though necessarily
I'm good handling trauma care right before trauma surgery... and most people can learn trauma care and recovery in a few months.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 10:59 PM
And then money for education?
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This feels like trying to build cities when there's already cities.
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I'd be more interested in destabilizing the mechanisms by which the capital class holds onto wealth.
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I'd be more interested in destabilizing the mechanisms by which the capital class holds onto wealth.
That's what the police are there to stop.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:01 PM
i.e. that can mean a change in people's values, infrastructure, and education. Wealth is digital.
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And then money for education?
You think a degree will matter when people are starving by the thousands every day?
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:01 PM
You can define the sphere of wealth's inputs and choke them off.
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The knowledge is what matters.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:02 PM
I said education. The degree matters to who it matters.
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You can define the sphere of wealth's inputs and choke them off.
If you come up with a means to do so, please do. But the entire system is there to benefit and protect them.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:03 PM
They have built that system, yes.
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But, everything is entropic.
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They have built that system, yes.
They have also built the violent institution that will kill to protect it.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:03 PM
I look to people's changing values to change an economy and society.
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Yes, but, I believe we can build something to protect us as well.
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Everyone wants Star Trek in the 23rd and 24th century... all the trials left behind in history and nothing left but the benefits. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:05 PM
Benefits go to the organized.
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Not those who toil.
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I don't know if we're speaking from the same paradigm.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:06 PM
I say, might as well create the institutions that will protect us.
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Create a new police, for one.
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Community Defense organizing is a valuable part of what I'm talking about.
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I don't know if we're speaking from the same paradigm.
Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:06 PM
Trying to understand the paradigm. I'm afraid I'm still new to socialism.
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Okay so approach it like this. Every what if question you ask me, is something people will have to tackle together locally.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:07 PM
Yes, to organize
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They can share globally what they learn from doing the thing... to make it easier for others...
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You use that word. But I'm unsure of the connotation you are imparting on it.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:08 PM
Well, people don't learn or organize in a global manner.
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It feels like you use it from a "great man" perspective.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:08 PM
What's organizing to you?
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Ha, I wrote the opposite in a reddit post the other day.
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Leading by example, making the efforts and their outcomes visibly and tangibly accessible to all so they can decide there is value to adopting those changes or something similar that works for them. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:09 PM
Everyone's individual efforts outweigh whatever great men have done.
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My definition of organization is an informational structure: inputs and outputs of every node. Understanding the inputs and outputs of an adversarial force. Getting more and more information about a problem to address it from every angle, symptomatically and underlyingly.
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Putting analysis into practice.
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That's one approach to problem solving. Not the only approach to organizing.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:12 PM
For people to understand leading by example, they have to see examples. That's an informational problem of how to distribute information.
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You have to find local people. That's an informational problem.
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People need information about how to act and build themselves.
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For people to understand leading by example, they have to see examples. That's an informational problem of how to distribute information.
If you are vested in distribution of the information that makes people's lives better... then work on that distribution process. There are others who would join you in that. But it's literally a tiny piece of a giant puzzle.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:14 PM
What are the other pieces? I see everything as information, so I need to know what's outside of that.
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I care less about that than building those examples. I've got thousands of hours just in design of sustainable collective architecture and systems. Building those into reality is my passion. I'll ensure the information is accessible to those who want to share it with others, but I dislike people in general about as much as a care about humans as a whole.
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11:16 PM
Information distribution is just one project. It's not going to grow food.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:16 PM
Would you want to put it on the public wiki?
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After ensuring that it is devoid of opsec information absolutely.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:16 PM
Right, the basis is making friends, chatting with people, and getting to know their problems.
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Well I'd give that to someone to do it for me.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:16 PM
Building common solutions
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Building common solutions
Careful you are starting to sound like Marx.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:17 PM
*Building solutions for everyone including the capitalists >:)
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An idealist who desired for something that he himself knew was impossible.
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*Building solutions for everyone including the capitalists >:)
Naw fuck the capitalists. They are directly responsible for literally millions of deaths. They can burn.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:18 PM
Won't know what's impossible until we have information about a problem.
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Actually the number is probably in the high hundreds of millions if not topping a billion.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:20 PM
capitalists? just look at how many people are in poverty, as well as destroying the earth and its creatures
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capitalists? just look at how many people are in poverty, as well as destroying the earth and its creatures
Add in every death from genocides and wars since the development of Capitalism in the 15th century.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:22 PM
K. Back to the organizing problem though: The dimensions I see are informational, social, and what else? Physically building things is an informational exercise to me. (edited)
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We agree that local people should collaborate to create a path towards sustainability for themselves, and share information with others who are doing the same in order to help refine their processes.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:22 PM
Yeah
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I'd prefer lumping money for vertical farms, but I'd want to compare ideas.
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K. Back to the organizing problem though: The dimensions I see are informational, social, and what else? Physically building things is an informational exercise to me. (edited)
Physically building something is far more than an informational exercise. It's blood and sweat and shared successes and hitting your head against walls of problems. It's if anything the practical application of informational exercise.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:24 PM
I feel though that we replicate a lot of what's already been done, and we should instead worry more about the costs of goods and services and how to modulate that.
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But it's still different.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:24 PM
The costs?
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I feel though that we replicate a lot of what's already been done, and we should instead worry more about the costs of goods and services and how to modulate that.
All of human existence is replicating what has already been done and refining and improving it.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:25 PM
I want to understand how grassroots sustainability functions different from city efficiency, if turned towards sustainability.
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Like, what's the fundamental difference?
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I want to understand how grassroots sustainability functions different from city efficiency, if turned towards sustainability.
One is possible. The other is a pipe dream.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:26 PM
Could you elaborate? Cities can't be sustainable?
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Like literal smoking opium pipe dream.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:26 PM
and why?
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Could you elaborate? Cities can't be sustainable?
Can they be? Sure... in theory it's possible. But to do so you have to get rid of the system which built them in the first place.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:27 PM
Riiight, replace the system, yeah
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That's not going to happen without complete a complete self collapse of the system.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:27 PM
and I plan such through gradual replacement
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Now that's on the way... inflation is a good metric to gauge that by.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:28 PM
by identifying how a system works and how to change its function
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and I plan such through gradual replacement
You and what city council made up of millionaires?
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:28 PM
Reprogram it
11:29 PM
You don't need millionaires to get information about how things work. You need programmers.
11:31 PM
I guess, how do you model an economy or ecosystem?
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You need economists and scientists and programmers.
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You don't need millionaires to get information about how things work. You need programmers.
To get information about how things currently work no... but it's pretty simple at it's core... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. "Rich people pay for the campaign of a politician and probably slides their wife/husband/kid a cushy million dollar a year job, and in return those politicians get elected/re-elected and pass laws to benefit the rich fucks that got them elected. Meanwhile they shovel public funds to a military force whose whole purpose is to ensure that the undesirable people never get ahead." "Use tokenism to pretend like people have a shot at becoming part of the wealthy caste. And the rest die as wage slaves in the hope that one day their offspring can be chosen as one of the tokens."
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Capitalism doesn't require an economist to understand... you just need to know that it is what it always has been, and that is a tool to concentrate stolen labor and resources in the hands of the wealthy.
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It changes as needed to do that more efficiently.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:34 PM
I understand that. I guess to counter that you need to fight with propaganda, education, and measuring when tokenism/capitalism occurs.
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What was true about capitalism in 1920 isn't true today... and what is true today won't be in 10 years.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:35 PM
How do you discern a capitalist action from an egalitarian one?
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I understand that. I guess to counter that you need to fight with propaganda, education, and measuring when tokenism/capitalism occurs.
People don't give a flying fuck about that. They care about the food getting to their kid's plate and the roof over their heads. It's survival mode and that's by design. People in survival mode don't decide on logic, they decide things by emotion.
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How do you discern a capitalist action from an egalitarian one?
Does it involve an exchange? Capitalist. Is it simply an act to support someone else? Egalitarian.
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I mean if you want to ask me questions that devolve it to that level that's what I'm going to say.
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Yes barter and trade aren't necessarily capitalist.
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But in our world... they pretty much all are.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:37 PM
true
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does egalitarianism then equate to altruism?
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Egalitarian example. Food production collective agrees to support a community defense project with 4 other collective residences by preserving food in case of emergency.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:38 PM
Or, how do we determine if a trade is egalitarian or not?
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does egalitarianism then equate to altruism?
can anything be altruistic if you are literally getting a heroine high when you do a thing?
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:39 PM
?
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We're literally talking about something our brains reward with instant an instant drug bump.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:40 PM
Egalitarianism? Does everybody get the drug bump? Psychopaths?
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When you do something for someone else you get high. It's how our brains work and largely why we evolved to being humans in the first place.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:41 PM
I don't think everyone. I feel like when dealing with fascists, we're talking about a lack of empathy.
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So, I wouldn't assume everyone is guided by altruism.
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Do they get it from that? It's possible... but it's hard to say because if you ask one they won't know it was caused by anything because a psychopath lacks the ability to discern cause and effect most of the time.
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I don't think everyone. I feel like when dealing with fascists, we're talking about a lack of empathy.
Between 3-6% of the population of men, and 1-4% of the population of women are estimated to be psychopaths. Most of those are simply people who literally have no fucks to give because they are incapable of seeing cause and effect.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:42 PM
I think that since fascism relies on their being ingroups and outgroups, it'd be helpful to figure out how they identify and show them that the outgroups identify like that as well (i.e. as family men, etc.).
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Then, the fascist mind, how does it work?
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A percentage of those are also victims of early childhood trauma which produces "paraphilia" which can lead to them being overtly violent, including and especially sexual violence.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:43 PM
Every fascist? What's the spread? Got studies on it?
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Every fascist? What's the spread? Got studies on it?
No I don't think almost any actively promoting fascist is a psychopath.
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The guy who was the Army Executioner in WWII was probably a good example of an average psychopath.
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Most wouldn't give a fuck about politics because they don't see the benefit of it for them.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:45 PM
But most fascists are victims of childhood trauma, or what?
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The fact that they couldn't see the benefit of stepping out of the path of an oncoming train not withstanding.
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But most fascists are victims of childhood trauma, or what?
Maybe not childhood trauma... but various traumas yes... mostly probably the traumas caused by the people actively recruiting them.
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Warping the cause of normal everyday traumas into something they can manipulate... hate against the "other".
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:47 PM
I'd be interested in the statistics, of course, especially the type of people they target. Overall, however, you'd want to develop an argument for people to not vote Republican.
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If we were all fighting fascists to the death day to day right now... we'd never actually get a chance to kill the people who manipulated those people we'd be fighting.
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I'd be interested in the statistics, of course, especially the type of people they target. Overall, however, you'd want to develop an argument for people to not vote Republican.
Put their time and energy to building something different.
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Because it's not like voting Dem will save them in the long run.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:48 PM
true
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I think progressives are okay for now
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but, like, they're 6% of the population or something?
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or the voting block at most
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Give people something they can do that will immediately benefit them and their family and also build something different along the way and they will forget about electoral bullshit.
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On average
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:49 PM
Hmm, I think it's ringing true, yeah. But, what you're talking about is an ideology and values, I think.
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I think new ideologies are hard to start since they won't have economic power and thus people are disinclined from joining up with them. (edited)
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Hmm, I think it's ringing true, yeah. But, what you're talking about is an ideology and values, I think.
I don't think so. I think of it as action. Most people don't give a fuck about ideology and values, they are mercurial... like trees in a breeze.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:51 PM
hmmmmmmm
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Tangible things, right
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Make the wind blow, they will bend that way because it's easier.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:51 PM
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Yeah... give you an example. I gave a project idea to a KC group once. Buy organic flour in 50lb sacks by the pallet... pick up bread machines from thrift shops... and gift instructions, yeast and the flour/machine to families in need... give the information they need to help, or start their own similar projects.
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Maybe only 1 in ten families will have a member decide to take up the cause... but every one of those families will eat the bread they make and know where it came from.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:54 PM
Concrete stuff is good, and many people can do it, but I'd want metrics on top of it to understand how effective it is and where it halts.
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In the meantime... you get a few more people deciding to dedicate a large part of their life to the new way.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:54 PM
There's an extinction rate, though.
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And eventually they encourage others.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:55 PM
But, how far does it go until it saturates or fizzles?
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How fast do they encourage others, and is it faster than the encouragement dying out?
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Concrete stuff is good, and many people can do it, but I'd want metrics on top of it to understand how effective it is and where it halts.
In an ideal world metrics would be good. Having an anthropology background I'm more interested in observational effects than metrics... but it amounts to similar things.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:56 PM
Oh cool! (I like anthropology).
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How fast do they encourage others, and is it faster than the encouragement dying out?
White Rose Society in Germany lasted for only a few years right at the early part of the rise of the Nazi party. To this day there are people who draw inspiration from them.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:57 PM
I would need to measure the effectiveness of their inspiration.
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I would need to measure the effectiveness of their inspiration.
I would say it's not your place to judge. The fact that 90 years later there is an organization that took the name to materially oppose fascism and benefit their neighbors is important.
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 11:58 PM
I'd want to get a third person in this conversation to point out what we're both overlooking 🙂
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yes
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But, judging or no, what matters is food and health care for people. You need to know how far something goes so that you don't miss where you're lacking.
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A lot has gone unsaid here. I've got literally gigabytes of documents I or others have written on the subject of federated collectives working in alliance with one another. Examples from history where they were successful in opposition to fascism and capitalism, and examples where they were betrayed. Even this group is based on another group which was betrayed from inside.
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So there are a lot of things unsaid, but a lot of information is out there to use that can help others refine and make better choices. (edited)
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But, judging or no, what matters is food and health care for people. You need to know how far something goes so that you don't miss where you're lacking.
Keep your projects small, and inspire others to build their own similar ones... and each group will know best what areas they are lacking in. It's not necessary to have an overseer trying to identify those failures.
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Skullmaggot 2/6/2023 12:04 AM
Yes, we take on the inspiration. Inspiration is important and will allow action to resurface. But, we need to evaluate what they are worth. How fast they can make a difference.
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Hmm?
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A problem that I was trying to address is that there are thousands of groups helping fight fascism, thousands of people shouting for a general strike, but these are uncoordinated.
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If you have ten people working on a collective hothouse farm... they will know what produce they are lacking after the first harvest. If they are providing food to ten other collectives, those collectives will tell them what they are lacking.
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A problem that I was trying to address is that there are thousands of groups helping fight fascism, thousands of people shouting for a general strike, but these are uncoordinated.
I think you are missing something. And I think you are missing it because your motivations are noble.
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Skullmaggot 2/6/2023 12:06 AM
Which direction do people go?
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I think I can miss plenty of things if my motivations were not noble too.
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Look at most of the most popular voices on the left. And think to yourself "what if they promoted projects instead of themselves"... I think you'd realize that they wouldn't have their 2 million dollar home/apartment anymore.
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Skullmaggot 2/6/2023 12:09 AM
I'm looking at things mathematically. I want exponential effect rather than summation, and to understand if we are getting either, we need metrics.
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I'm looking at things mathematically. I want exponential effect rather than summation, and to understand if we are getting either, we need metrics.
You are trying to apply math to a function of the brain/genetics.
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Skullmaggot 2/6/2023 12:10 AM
Maybe make it so that if they don't promote projects then they don't get their 2 million dollar homes?
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I'm applying math to people in aggregate. Statistics are valid not for the individual but for addressing things in aggregate, yeah.
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Maybe make it so that if they don't promote projects then they don't get their 2 million dollar homes?
The only thing I can think of to do that would have people crying out Antifa is fascist even more than they already do.
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I'm applying math to people in aggregate. Statistics are valid not for the individual but for addressing things in aggregate, yeah.
But cultural change happens at the individual level and spreads by individual to individual.
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You can theoretically track that change with metrics... but you cannot do what is necessary to make the change using metrics.
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Skullmaggot 2/6/2023 12:13 AM
Hmm? Could you explain? Culture can't happen at a non-individual level? (Also, I'll be back in a few minutes.) (edited)
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Hmm? Could you explain? Culture can't happen at a non-individual level? (Also, I'll be back in a few minutes.) (edited)
Any shift in culture in history that we know of is a propagation of choice from one individual to another, and another, and another. One person says "Jesus is the way and the light" another goes "that sounds amazing tell me more".
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Skullmaggot 2/6/2023 12:14 AM
I mean, isn’t the news projecting culture to everybody?
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I mean, isn’t the news projecting culture to everybody?
Not really, it doesn't have the potency that someone you know cares about you does.
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Skullmaggot 2/6/2023 12:15 AM
Hmm
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It's more a reflection of the state of now than promotion of change. Propaganda outlets are different, but while it has an effect, it requires a hundred times more repetition... or a thousand times more.
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One person can forever change another person's perspective on the "others" simply by a single action. Former White Nationalists identified the exact moment they snapped out of their delusions imparted by others all the time... "I was in prison and my white power brothers didn't have my back, but this black fella did." etc.
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A single action can make all the difference even in someone who has killed for an ideology.
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Imagine how much of an impact it will have on a mother who is terrified her child will starve. Fox news isn't giving her baby any food.
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Skullmaggot 2/6/2023 12:26 AM
hmm hmm hmm. I feel like this may be analogous to the "Great Man" theory where a "Great Action" changes a society's course. Whereas singular actions can have a dramatic effect and can stick in the mind, what's the evaluation on the compounding change brought about by smaller actions? Do we have examples?
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hmm hmm hmm. I feel like this may be analogous to the "Great Man" theory where a "Great Action" changes a society's course. Whereas singular actions can have a dramatic effect and can stick in the mind, what's the evaluation on the compounding change brought about by smaller actions? Do we have examples?
The Zapatista. Over a decade of work to form an organization which supports their cultural identity using egalitarian and consensus as a base... leading to the formation of a community defense and mutual aid culture capable of withstanding the Mexican government and all the forces it can afford to bring to bare on them. Leading to the highest quality of health/healthcare and education as well as above average overall quality of life in the country, even in spite of regular violent attacks by government supporters. (edited)
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This after several hundred years of slavery and forced impoverishment by the Castilian overlords who forced imperialism and capitalist indenture upon them.
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Steve Mike 2/7/2023 7:25 AM
@Skullmaggot What's the status on the Google form questionnaire? Still an objective?
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Skullmaggot 2/11/2023 1:16 AM
@CornytheDog Hello, what are you looking to help with? Best thing to do is to find local orgs/protests to network with people, make friends, and determine tasks you can give one another for local goals. See if you can make friends with regulars in the general chat, and there's also the flyer drive (contact vibeshifter) for starters. Since you're in Canada, and depending on your area, you can get familiar with horhay and Xulff (and contact me if you're looking further for comdef training). We also need some immediate help with updating our website (contact Steve Mike).
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Skullmaggot 2/11/2023 2:23 AM
@Zig Just saw that you're around Rochester. I'm checking if you've been acquainted with Eightman yet.
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We have chatted a little bit in the New York group
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Thank you!
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CornytheDog 2/11/2023 1:56 PM
@Skullmaggot hello hello, I’m here to help out in anyway I can! That sounds good I’ll make my self acquainted and I’ll reach out to Steve Mike.
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@Skullmaggot hello hello, I’m here to help out in anyway I can! That sounds good I’ll make my self acquainted and I’ll reach out to Steve Mike.
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 12:32 AM
I've dropped your name to Steve Mike, so drop him a line! You can also find him in #web-development . (edited)
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Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 1:58 AM
@LordHengar Oof, Upper Michigan? There is the Northeastern Wisconsin John Brown Gun Club if you're close enough to Wisconsin. Other than that, there is one other person in Madison, @habanero , but I haven't chatted with them in a while. I think the best thing you can get going is being social in college and popping the question of antifascist involvement. Spinner should be able to help with how to talk with people and some ways to vet. You might also consider participating in the flyer drive (contact: vibeshifter). You might also want to be aware of a new intelligence person in Michigan, rafe2486.
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I can't seem to find anything on the Northeastern Wisconsin John Brown Gun Club. Other websites don't seem to mention it as a chapter. (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/13/2023 3:00 AM
And also MonsieurMorbid.
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And also MonsieurMorbid.
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 3:01 AM
Oh yeah!!
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And also MonsieurMorbid.
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 3:02 AM
There's actually a lot of Californians...maybe we're reaching a critical mass?
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@…Ꭷη℘ꪮḯη⊥ The only other person in the Dakotas on here seems to be sly2fly. I haven't spoken with them yet.
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I've dropped your name to Steve Mike, so drop him a line! You can also find him in #web-development . (edited)
CornytheDog 2/13/2023 3:29 AM
Awesome thank you
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How many folks we got in Northern Fl?
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Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 7:06 PM
@waterfox This I don’t know exactly. Florida is not something I’ve been able to help with much yet. Other northeastern states are smaller and more concentrated but bigger states end up having people spread out. I was going to try speaking with each person to see where they are with what they want to do or even if they want to stay involved since this has taken 8 months. I was also going to see if I could post on r/DeSantisThreatensUSA since it seems to be an offshoot with some people from the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit. Message each person in the above post (probably starting in reverse order) and I’ll do the same. (edited)
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@waterfox To organize, think about ways to concentrate people into one time, place, and action (or as few of each as you can).
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@waterfox If you got other questions, though, I can direct you to people with know-how. I’ll be getting back to the question of where everyone is in Florida once I get back to my computer later tonight.
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Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:19 PM
Hiya, you're in Southern California, right?
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Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:28 PM
@Aces high Are you comfortable with sharing if you're in northern, central, or southern California? Are you looking to meet up? We're approaching density, I think. (edited)
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@Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy So, made contact with @StandardRatesApply in Southern California, and I believe duck dodgers is also around too. You also have the new Poltergoost to reach out to, and I'm going to (and you're welcome to do so as well) post on the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit to see if anybody else in California wants to network.
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StandardRatesApply 2/13/2023 10:35 PM
Southern California here
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@Aces high Are you comfortable with sharing if you're in northern, central, or southern California? Are you looking to meet up? We're approaching density, I think. (edited)
Not looking to meet up atm
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But Socal
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Not looking to meet up atm
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:36 PM
S'okay, thanks.
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But Socal
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:36 PM
Did you want to familiarize yourself with who else is in SoCal?
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Southern California here
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:44 PM
I was gonna do a little orientation: If you get a group going, it's best to limit the number of things you want to do so that your group can focus on fewer objectives that everyone can agree on. Determining what's important to your group takes discussion. Spinner has written up some vetting guidelines, but this is a public Discord, and what we're putting forth here is not yet enmeshed with the vetting guidelines of more private chapters. It wouldn't necessarily allow you to get into their intel. We might be able to organize something from scratch though. A good way to get open-source information is through social media--concerned people submit lots of information. There's also a partial and non-expert handbook out that can serve as a partial FAQ, but I'll see how I can best guide you in what you want to do and answer questions. I'm still learning this stuff myself.
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Also, we can pay attention to or host various events to accrue new people.
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If you do plan to meet up, don't post locations on here but instead use encrypted messaging apps.
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StandardRatesApply 2/13/2023 10:50 PM
Telegram is the standard I'm assuming?
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Telegram is the standard I'm assuming?
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:51 PM
Actually, I don't quite think there's been a standard, it's been varying from group to group based on preference.
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@Lanky_Pomegranate530 Hiya, so @waterfox was on here recently looking to network (I don't know where in Florida they are), and there's also a679591 who does intel who you should probably get familiar with. A list of Florida people is in an above post, too.
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StandardRatesApply 2/13/2023 10:54 PM
If anyone wants to start a southern California "fitness and active members group" let me know.
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If anyone wants to start a southern California "fitness and active members group" let me know.
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:55 PM
@Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy ^^^^^^
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If anyone wants to start a southern California "fitness and active members group" let me know.
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 10:55 PM
Also, probably contact WilloweA in Central California, who's got extra connections.
10:56 PM
I'm also in (Northern) California, so I do want to do what I can to support.
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@StandardRatesApply Another thing to keep in mind is having synchronous conversations (if we're online) rather than asynchronous ones, as it'll help with personability and making connections. We also have a public meeting every two weeks Sunday mornings.
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StandardRatesApply 2/13/2023 10:59 PM
GMT? PST?
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When is the next meeting Sunday and what time?
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Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 11:02 PM
Sunday, February 19th, starting 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon). But, so far things are fairly casual. We're not really at a point to discuss things too deeply, as the main thing is to do what we can and accrue more people.
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oh heck, people are in the lounge right now too, lol
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StandardRatesApply 2/13/2023 11:05 PM
Got it. Permission to invite other like minded local people I know to the group who are "concerned" about the sudden fascist turn the country has taken in politics?
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Got it. Permission to invite other like minded local people I know to the group who are "concerned" about the sudden fascist turn the country has taken in politics?
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 11:06 PM
Absolutely!
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Got it. Permission to invite other like minded local people I know to the group who are "concerned" about the sudden fascist turn the country has taken in politics?
Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 11:06 PM
We need all the help we can get! Also, there's a spontaneous lounge session happening right now if you want to meet Unu51!
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Skullmaggot 2/13/2023 11:50 PM
@LessthanLoneWolf Is such a thing as an hour-long "Stop the Bleed seminar" possible or would it be insufficient?
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@LessthanLoneWolf Is such a thing as an hour-long "Stop the Bleed seminar" possible or would it be insufficient?
LessthanLoneWolf 2/14/2023 12:07 AM
And hour would be perfect. It’s be recommended to have a hands on practice at some point, but virtual could work
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And hour would be perfect. It’s be recommended to have a hands on practice at some point, but virtual could work
Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 12:15 AM
Awesome. I was just in an impromptu Lounge session, and most people liked the idea of a seminar. I think seminars for training for mutual aid, community defense, firearms, fitness, legal observer, and medical would be good. I just worry about people finding a more efficient means to get trained elsehow or wasting people's preparation in case turnout is low. I was planning on also announcing such seminars to the subreddit to see if people want to join to get on the call (hmm, would it be video?). But, I'm discouraged from saying too much on the subreddit, so I'll ask first if each of these things is okay to post. I also worry that we don't have our networking down in most places, but this may also accrue people, so it might work out. I think 6L3THAL and StandardRatesApply would currently want help with Stop the Bleed.
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StandardRatesApply 2/14/2023 12:19 AM
I'm actually taking a refresher course this Friday, but I'm not going to turn down an opportunity for review. You learn more with re exposure.
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Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 12:22 AM
So, yeah, there's a lot of people with a lot of skills on here if you know where to look. I want to write more stuff down but that'll take time.
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Awesome. I was just in an impromptu Lounge session, and most people liked the idea of a seminar. I think seminars for training for mutual aid, community defense, firearms, fitness, legal observer, and medical would be good. I just worry about people finding a more efficient means to get trained elsehow or wasting people's preparation in case turnout is low. I was planning on also announcing such seminars to the subreddit to see if people want to join to get on the call (hmm, would it be video?). But, I'm discouraged from saying too much on the subreddit, so I'll ask first if each of these things is okay to post. I also worry that we don't have our networking down in most places, but this may also accrue people, so it might work out. I think 6L3THAL and StandardRatesApply would currently want help with Stop the Bleed.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/14/2023 12:32 AM
I think announcement would be a great way to increase activity. It’ll bring back people who still want to be involved but forgot about this server or have it stashed away in a folder.
12:32 AM
Like, a proper @everyone maybe
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I think announcement would be a great way to increase activity. It’ll bring back people who still want to be involved but forgot about this server or have it stashed away in a folder.
Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 12:33 AM
Oh, I announce everything, but I also wanted to see if I can announce it on the subreddit and draw in more people!
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/14/2023 12:33 AM
Ahh
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Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 12:33 AM
yuh didn't need to do that 😄
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@ ing is annoying
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/14/2023 12:33 AM
It didn’t tag
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It just shows as colored for some reason
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Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 12:34 AM
hmm
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Can confirm, I didn't get a ping
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Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 12:34 AM
ok ok
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Can confirm, I didn't get a ping
Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 12:36 AM
I think I'm in general going to try to ask if people on the subreddit want to network state by state. I'll also see if we can get some seminars going for mutual aid, community defense, firearms, fitness, legal observer, and medical training even before necessarily networking, though, to see if we can draw in people.
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Michigan is tough
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So is Wisconsin
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Awesome. I was just in an impromptu Lounge session, and most people liked the idea of a seminar. I think seminars for training for mutual aid, community defense, firearms, fitness, legal observer, and medical would be good. I just worry about people finding a more efficient means to get trained elsehow or wasting people's preparation in case turnout is low. I was planning on also announcing such seminars to the subreddit to see if people want to join to get on the call (hmm, would it be video?). But, I'm discouraged from saying too much on the subreddit, so I'll ask first if each of these things is okay to post. I also worry that we don't have our networking down in most places, but this may also accrue people, so it might work out. I think 6L3THAL and StandardRatesApply would currently want help with Stop the Bleed.
LessthanLoneWolf 2/14/2023 9:00 AM
So my only concern about a virtual stop the bleed course is that the organization already does that. It’s the in-person practical but that’s more important; actually practicing tq placement, holding pressure and packing wounds
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Southern California here
Gustavo's Locked Acc :C 2/14/2023 2:56 PM
Yep! Hi, howdy, SoCal here too
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StandardRatesApply 2/14/2023 2:56 PM
Hey
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So my only concern about a virtual stop the bleed course is that the organization already does that. It’s the in-person practical but that’s more important; actually practicing tq placement, holding pressure and packing wounds
Skullmaggot 2/14/2023 8:28 PM
Yeah, I know. I was looking at it as possibly an introduction to Stop the Bleed, and then maybe we can direct people to proper resources. There’s the problem of dispersing everyone to find the correct course on their own vs gathering everyone who wants to learn in one place to give them something that’s not as in-depth. So, the secondary and perhaps more important reason is to use it as an opportunity to gather concerned people into the same space and action. People going off on their own may get better personal training, but that may require more self-engagement and sidesteps actually getting the people here getting to know each other more. It’s probably introductory and focused on team-building more than anything.
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Yeah, I know. I was looking at it as possibly an introduction to Stop the Bleed, and then maybe we can direct people to proper resources. There’s the problem of dispersing everyone to find the correct course on their own vs gathering everyone who wants to learn in one place to give them something that’s not as in-depth. So, the secondary and perhaps more important reason is to use it as an opportunity to gather concerned people into the same space and action. People going off on their own may get better personal training, but that may require more self-engagement and sidesteps actually getting the people here getting to know each other more. It’s probably introductory and focused on team-building more than anything.
LessthanLoneWolf 2/15/2023 4:23 PM
If I can find a place, I can teach the class; I have all the supplies to do so, and have taught for my local hospital already
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If I can find a place, I can teach the class; I have all the supplies to do so, and have taught for my local hospital already
Skullmaggot 2/15/2023 10:36 PM
That's actually pretty cool. What about we contact the Boston chapter for in-person classes? Do you want to ask OkraMonk or WojtektheBear?
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That's actually pretty cool. What about we contact the Boston chapter for in-person classes? Do you want to ask OkraMonk or WojtektheBear?
LessthanLoneWolf 2/15/2023 10:38 PM
It’s been a plan to teach the MA people. We just need to find time to do it. Plus, I could probably use my business as the “instructor” so that people could get certificates, if they cared
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It’s been a plan to teach the MA people. We just need to find time to do it. Plus, I could probably use my business as the “instructor” so that people could get certificates, if they cared
Skullmaggot 2/15/2023 10:43 PM
Oh, so you've already talked to them about it? I unfortunately don't know too many people in Massachusetts, but what problems you think you got in scheduling? What kind of turnout you want?
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Skullmaggot 2/16/2023 1:08 AM
@Lanky_Pomegranate530 Also, what can I help you with? Are you looking to organize anything?
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Lanky_Pomegranate530 2/16/2023 1:10 AM
Not right now
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Not right now
Skullmaggot 2/16/2023 1:29 AM
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Oh, so you've already talked to them about it? I unfortunately don't know too many people in Massachusetts, but what problems you think you got in scheduling? What kind of turnout you want?
LessthanLoneWolf 2/16/2023 7:54 AM
I have 20 booklets, so that the limit until I buy more. Life schedules get in the way. Typical when adults try to get together. I’d host, but live half way across the state.
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I have 20 booklets, so that the limit until I buy more. Life schedules get in the way. Typical when adults try to get together. I’d host, but live half way across the state.
Skullmaggot 2/16/2023 3:31 PM
I’d figured you’d be the one traveling to Boston or such since that’s where everybody else is. Have you tried offering a course to the JBGCs or other groups in the area? Alternatively, maybe we can even do a general post on the Massachusetts subreddit not tied to anything antifascist. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 2/16/2023 5:43 PM
@Brannigan Welcome! If you’re in the Carolinas looking to coordinate with people, look up AvoidOblivion, Zed-Juron, and 🐓Theisman🐓. I’d say the first step in organizing is getting familiar with those around you and who you can count, and then give each other things to do towards a goal. If you don’t quite know what to do, I can give you a list of things to do. I personally would want to know in more detail who you’ve already participated with so that we can network with them as well. If you’re looking for particular skills, I can redirect you to skilled people. I can also answer general questions you may have.
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Skullmaggot 2/17/2023 12:44 AM
@AVector II morrOW What are you looking to do in Ontario? Do you have measurable goals? (I’m also looking for connections there at the moment.)
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@Vox Vulpera The only other Iowan I know is possumtrot. What do you want to accomplish locally?
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Skullmaggot 2/18/2023 12:37 AM
@Raps [PDX,OR] I'm sorry, I think I skipped you when processing people. You're in the SRA? I'm looking to build networks.
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@AVector II morrOW What are you looking to do in Ontario? Do you have measurable goals? (I’m also looking for connections there at the moment.)
AVector II morrOW 2/18/2023 10:37 AM
I have a few measurable goals, both short medium and longterm, that connect to resisting fascism: (1.) Continue building community networks of mutual aid (I'm connected with a group working towards a commune, and other commune groups) (2.) Begin translating my writing/research into shareable media content and independent journalism (YouTube video, podcast, blog) (3.) Continue engaging in direct action (I'm currently assisting a tenant group in Toronto who are resisting illegal evictions via public shaming of slumlords and etc) (4.) Show up to nearby fascist gatherings to protest
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@Skullmaggot if you're local to me here in Ontario, let's talk - always looking to make friends with fellow antifash!
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I have a few measurable goals, both short medium and longterm, that connect to resisting fascism: (1.) Continue building community networks of mutual aid (I'm connected with a group working towards a commune, and other commune groups) (2.) Begin translating my writing/research into shareable media content and independent journalism (YouTube video, podcast, blog) (3.) Continue engaging in direct action (I'm currently assisting a tenant group in Toronto who are resisting illegal evictions via public shaming of slumlords and etc) (4.) Show up to nearby fascist gatherings to protest
Hey I’m in BC and dug in deep with community defence here too, pretty far from Ontario but still relevant to canada
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I have a few measurable goals, both short medium and longterm, that connect to resisting fascism: (1.) Continue building community networks of mutual aid (I'm connected with a group working towards a commune, and other commune groups) (2.) Begin translating my writing/research into shareable media content and independent journalism (YouTube video, podcast, blog) (3.) Continue engaging in direct action (I'm currently assisting a tenant group in Toronto who are resisting illegal evictions via public shaming of slumlords and etc) (4.) Show up to nearby fascist gatherings to protest
Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 1:43 AM
I would also want to get any written resources on your four points you might have since we’re often trying to do new things and could use links and help. I’m unfortunately not in Ontario but in California.
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@Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy Were you interested in setting up anything local? You have a handful of people near you.
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@Sam Could I ask if you’ve got anything going on in Connecticut? What do you want to get done? Would you want to connect with others in nearby Massachusetts?
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@Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy Were you interested in setting up anything local? You have a handful of people near you.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/19/2023 1:52 AM
Much as I'd love to, I don't think I have the means due to my living situation atm.
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Much as I'd love to, I don't think I have the means due to my living situation atm.
Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 1:57 AM
Oh okay. Did you have local goals? What would you want to help out with locally that would fit your situation? I’d be trying to see if we can collect information about local happenings and translating them into actions and connections.
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Oh okay. Did you have local goals? What would you want to help out with locally that would fit your situation? I’d be trying to see if we can collect information about local happenings and translating them into actions and connections.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/19/2023 2:04 AM
I really want us to have more of a presence here not just in my area (Orange County) but in SoCal and possibly the state as a whole. People think that because this state is a dem stronghold that there are no fascists in the area but I assure you, they're here, they're loud and, in the case of SoCal Active Club, they're sometimes even violent.
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I really want us to have more of a presence here not just in my area (Orange County) but in SoCal and possibly the state as a whole. People think that because this state is a dem stronghold that there are no fascists in the area but I assure you, they're here, they're loud and, in the case of SoCal Active Club, they're sometimes even violent.
Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 2:18 AM
Oh I know it, I’d just want to coalesce info and even set up some amateurish intel. I was trying to converse with the new couple of intel people in the introductions but no luck. What needs to happen though is making connections. I just don’t know who’s local. Need to get out to protests to see if I can make contacts. I was even going to try to do less protests and more seeing the school boards and courts situation. If you want people, though, just socializing in non-antifascist functions should help. Like, hiking or environmental groups and the like. I’m hoping for more connections through the platform 1uc2’s developing, but I’ll probably have to learn programming to be able to put into play the anti-entropic functionalities I want. Things are slow-growing and separated. We ought to find where the people are.
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6L3THAL#0663 2/19/2023 9:21 PM
I have a goal that I'm unsure of how to proceed with. I want to start an official Richmond, VA chapter of the AIF. I've seen signs of some members around, mostly stickers, but we don't exactly have an official chapter here
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I would also want to get any written resources on your four points you might have since we’re often trying to do new things and could use links and help. I’m unfortunately not in Ontario but in California.
AVector II morrOW 2/20/2023 10:48 AM
Ok, in terms of written resources: RE: (1.) - the only written resources I have (or will have) on this are a general purpose legal memo I am drafting on various issues relating to intentional communities ("communes") RE: (2.) - I'll keep you posted as I begin publishing, my areas are in ideological radicalization (fascism in particular), practical philosophy, independent journalism (working towards conflict journalism), community organizing, law, and combatting disinformation RE: (3.) - I'm currently working on some general purpose legal memos relating to assisting direct action activists in my area, e.g. a memo on how to name and shame slumlords while avoiding defamation liability, a memo on how to restructure finances the way rich people (i.e. to become "judgment proof"), a memo on how to deal with cops and their gangster bullshit, etc RE (4.) - Don't have anything written myself on this yet, but I'm good to show up whenever a local happening happens
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AVector II morrOW 2/20/2023 11:12 AM
Anyone else in Canada?
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Btw, I am also interested to come down south of the border
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For protests and events and etc
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/20/2023 11:14 AM
There are a few Canadians
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Don’t know them off the top of my head
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Anyone else in Canada?
I’m in BC
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Ok, in terms of written resources: RE: (1.) - the only written resources I have (or will have) on this are a general purpose legal memo I am drafting on various issues relating to intentional communities ("communes") RE: (2.) - I'll keep you posted as I begin publishing, my areas are in ideological radicalization (fascism in particular), practical philosophy, independent journalism (working towards conflict journalism), community organizing, law, and combatting disinformation RE: (3.) - I'm currently working on some general purpose legal memos relating to assisting direct action activists in my area, e.g. a memo on how to name and shame slumlords while avoiding defamation liability, a memo on how to restructure finances the way rich people (i.e. to become "judgment proof"), a memo on how to deal with cops and their gangster bullshit, etc RE (4.) - Don't have anything written myself on this yet, but I'm good to show up whenever a local happening happens
Skullmaggot 2/20/2023 2:01 PM
Thanks
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I’m in BC
AVector II morrOW 2/20/2023 2:03 PM
Greetings! I'm in Ontario
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Hey I’m in BC and dug in deep with community defence here too, pretty far from Ontario but still relevant to canada
AVector II morrOW 2/20/2023 2:04 PM
Just saw this! Cool if I DM you?
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I'm all about solidarity - I don't give a fuck about borders, I care about networks of people helping people
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Just saw this! Cool if I DM you?
Yes!!
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Skullmaggot 2/21/2023 5:23 PM
@Davey Just directing you to AvoidOblivion and Zed-Juron for the Carolinas.
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@Davey Just directing you to AvoidOblivion and Zed-Juron for the Carolinas.
And those are organizations, right?
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And those are organizations, right?
AvoidOblivion 2/21/2023 5:55 PM
These are people. I wish I had the coordination and networking of an organization.
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These are people. I wish I had the coordination and networking of an organization.
I spent like 30 minutes searching the internet and coming away with search results that made me extremely confused
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I spent like 30 minutes searching the internet and coming away with search results that made me extremely confused
Skullmaggot 2/21/2023 9:51 PM
Ah, sorry, I should have been more explicit. I’m just trying to point people to other people. We do have some connections with orgs but if I haven’t informed you already then I wouldn’t know. It is worthwhile to research your locale for people because a big thing to do is to just find more people and build density. If people would want to undertake a campaign of cold-calling, I could try arranging the work into manageable pieces. Right now though for most places we’re just at the point of getting friendly before being able to tackle tasks. @AvoidOblivion Just letting you know that I have a guess of how to proceed, and I’d like to be able to discuss with those in Carolina what your focus would be. If you don’t quite know what to do, I’ll probably default to keeping track of bills and community defense. I’m also probably pushing myself into doing too much, so if I seem to be going off doing something else, just message me again to keep me on task. Probably also see if you can reach out to any Carolina DSAs. The Virginian one is apparently fairly organized, so maybe the Carolina DSAs might be capable as well. (edited)
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Ah, sorry, I should have been more explicit. I’m just trying to point people to other people. We do have some connections with orgs but if I haven’t informed you already then I wouldn’t know. It is worthwhile to research your locale for people because a big thing to do is to just find more people and build density. If people would want to undertake a campaign of cold-calling, I could try arranging the work into manageable pieces. Right now though for most places we’re just at the point of getting friendly before being able to tackle tasks. @AvoidOblivion Just letting you know that I have a guess of how to proceed, and I’d like to be able to discuss with those in Carolina what your focus would be. If you don’t quite know what to do, I’ll probably default to keeping track of bills and community defense. I’m also probably pushing myself into doing too much, so if I seem to be going off doing something else, just message me again to keep me on task. Probably also see if you can reach out to any Carolina DSAs. The Virginian one is apparently fairly organized, so maybe the Carolina DSAs might be capable as well. (edited)
I'll see if there's a DSA in Columbia
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Skullmaggot 2/21/2023 10:36 PM
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Ah, sorry, I should have been more explicit. I’m just trying to point people to other people. We do have some connections with orgs but if I haven’t informed you already then I wouldn’t know. It is worthwhile to research your locale for people because a big thing to do is to just find more people and build density. If people would want to undertake a campaign of cold-calling, I could try arranging the work into manageable pieces. Right now though for most places we’re just at the point of getting friendly before being able to tackle tasks. @AvoidOblivion Just letting you know that I have a guess of how to proceed, and I’d like to be able to discuss with those in Carolina what your focus would be. If you don’t quite know what to do, I’ll probably default to keeping track of bills and community defense. I’m also probably pushing myself into doing too much, so if I seem to be going off doing something else, just message me again to keep me on task. Probably also see if you can reach out to any Carolina DSAs. The Virginian one is apparently fairly organized, so maybe the Carolina DSAs might be capable as well. (edited)
AvoidOblivion 2/21/2023 10:47 PM
I am not sure on how to proceed, or a potential focus. I do like the idea of tracking bills and developing community defense. I’ll also do research into DSAs.
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There are several in NC. One where I previously lived, and one in Asheville where I may potentially live if I go to UNC Asheville.
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I am not sure on how to proceed, or a potential focus. I do like the idea of tracking bills and developing community defense. I’ll also do research into DSAs.
Skullmaggot 2/21/2023 11:46 PM
So, for building a group, have a more narrow focus that your group can agree upon. If you try to do too many things at once, you'll end up not doing much at all. (But, going off of what you put in your intro,) if you want to spread awareness of the dangers of extremism, you'll need 1) to identify an audience to spread this awareness to (online or offline), 2) what sort of information/arguments you're going to be giving them (presumably about how fascism is affecting people's lives), 3) give a solution to that fascist activity if you can manage it (typically to organize resistance), and 4) measure how your actions change things. For each of these things you could ask for help. If you can break steps down into 15 minute-to-hour-long chunks (that people can also do remotely) then even those without a lot of time will have a clear idea of how they can help. If you want, let's pick out a local concrete problem to address for starters. What's something measurable you want to tackle? What numbers of something do you want to increase or decrease? What's sticking in your mind as something you want to change?
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So, for building a group, have a more narrow focus that your group can agree upon. If you try to do too many things at once, you'll end up not doing much at all. (But, going off of what you put in your intro,) if you want to spread awareness of the dangers of extremism, you'll need 1) to identify an audience to spread this awareness to (online or offline), 2) what sort of information/arguments you're going to be giving them (presumably about how fascism is affecting people's lives), 3) give a solution to that fascist activity if you can manage it (typically to organize resistance), and 4) measure how your actions change things. For each of these things you could ask for help. If you can break steps down into 15 minute-to-hour-long chunks (that people can also do remotely) then even those without a lot of time will have a clear idea of how they can help. If you want, let's pick out a local concrete problem to address for starters. What's something measurable you want to tackle? What numbers of something do you want to increase or decrease? What's sticking in your mind as something you want to change?
AvoidOblivion 2/22/2023 8:50 AM
I've been putting some thought into this since I read it an hour ago.
  • Spreading it online is not easy. Reddit is not a great place to go to due to its pre-existing leaning to the left. It would be good to post there as well, but would likely not be as effective.
  • I agree with your second point. A lot of people may hear "fascism bad because x" and not realize just how bad it is. It is sad, but a lot of people aren't concerned about issues until the issues directly affect them. So yes, it would be a good idea to share information on how fascism will directly impact their lives, in the short term and long term.
  • In the posts, I can share what can be done to fight the rise of fascism and protect the rights of the people. This information can be places one could go to organize with others if they wish to step up, it could be different forms of activism they might be able to join in on, or even something as simple as informing them. Organizing resistance is important.
  • I am not sure how I would be able to measure change through my actions. The only ways I can think of are the metrics on the posts, and perhaps checking Google Trends to spot rises in searches on specific topics.
I'll have to think the rest of this through. As I said not long after I joined, the only thing stopping me from doing more and playing a larger role is myself. I'll have to tackle those personal issues, as I know that if I try to start IFNC or IF Carolinas social media pages, I would forget about it and not do anything. The courage to actually go out and do something is the first problem that needs to be overcome.
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I've been putting some thought into this since I read it an hour ago.
  • Spreading it online is not easy. Reddit is not a great place to go to due to its pre-existing leaning to the left. It would be good to post there as well, but would likely not be as effective.
  • I agree with your second point. A lot of people may hear "fascism bad because x" and not realize just how bad it is. It is sad, but a lot of people aren't concerned about issues until the issues directly affect them. So yes, it would be a good idea to share information on how fascism will directly impact their lives, in the short term and long term.
  • In the posts, I can share what can be done to fight the rise of fascism and protect the rights of the people. This information can be places one could go to organize with others if they wish to step up, it could be different forms of activism they might be able to join in on, or even something as simple as informing them. Organizing resistance is important.
  • I am not sure how I would be able to measure change through my actions. The only ways I can think of are the metrics on the posts, and perhaps checking Google Trends to spot rises in searches on specific topics.
I'll have to think the rest of this through. As I said not long after I joined, the only thing stopping me from doing more and playing a larger role is myself. I'll have to tackle those personal issues, as I know that if I try to start IFNC or IF Carolinas social media pages, I would forget about it and not do anything. The courage to actually go out and do something is the first problem that needs to be overcome.
Skullmaggot 2/22/2023 4:38 PM
So yeah, for metrics, what numbers does fascism affect? We could say something like the number of attacks on people or the number of people being denied this or that service. That is a lot of research, but having a clearer idea of what local information you want to gather will allow others to assist you. And, definitely think about whether or not a particular task has to be done locally or if it can be done remotely. You have a lot of remote help you can draw upon, just need the list of specific things that ought to be done. We can also start by reducing our focus to one minor issue rather than tackling fascism as a whole. That will allow us to develop a process for addressing that minor issue that we can adapt towards other issues and grow. What would be the smallest thing that you could work on? (edited)
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So yeah, for metrics, what numbers does fascism affect? We could say something like the number of attacks on people or the number of people being denied this or that service. That is a lot of research, but having a clearer idea of what local information you want to gather will allow others to assist you. And, definitely think about whether or not a particular task has to be done locally or if it can be done remotely. You have a lot of remote help you can draw upon, just need the list of specific things that ought to be done. We can also start by reducing our focus to one minor issue rather than tackling fascism as a whole. That will allow us to develop a process for addressing that minor issue that we can adapt towards other issues and grow. What would be the smallest thing that you could work on? (edited)
AvoidOblivion 2/22/2023 5:11 PM
I'm not sure. I'd need to define what a small thing is first, is it something that affects only a small number of people, is it a widespread issue that has little impact?
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I'm not sure. I'd need to define what a small thing is first, is it something that affects only a small number of people, is it a widespread issue that has little impact?
Skullmaggot 2/22/2023 5:50 PM
So, for my own thing where I’m aiming to reduce hate crimes in California, it can be daunting to try to organize community defense, disseminate information, or seek justice. The smallest thing I can manage at the moment is probably collecting information about attacks and attackers. It doesn’t solve the problem, but it is something necessary and something that can jumpstart the question of what we can further do with that information. Having information can also jumpstart involvement. So for yours, info/evidence you can collect about how fascism is personally affecting people may be a good place to start (narrow your focus if you want to one specific aspect, like attacks or wealth inequality or something). You can also start on some other part of a problem as a different seed to crystallize more involvement around. Literally, there’s no first step but picking some area and then weaving more action around it. I was defaulting to networking and comdef since that seems a basis of what people want to do, but we can start poking into “comdef for what?” to see what other parts we can build upon. Pick something ineffectual that doesn’t really work and let’s build it up into something more useful. I can definitely say to grab the things I want (and I’d probably reduce options so that people are focused), but all this volunteering is built on engagement, and I want you and your local group to pick something that’ll keep you motivated and that you’ll see through.
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Skullmaggot 2/22/2023 9:13 PM
@René Hi, I try to organize nationally and chat up everyone I can. We don’t get too many people from Puerto Rico. I’m usually trying to get people to think of small and local things they can work on. “Protecting democracy” ends up being nebulous, but making graphic designs is more concrete. What sort of problem would you want to tackle, especially together with those in this server? Additionally, it’s highly advised to chat around with the people here so that you can develop more of a relationship and work together. If you need something, I can answer basic questions and direct you to skilled people and resources.
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Good! Well, one of the main problems that I’ve identified is a cause of democracy erosion is the proliferation and normalization of conspiracy theories. If enough people can be convinced that liberal democracy is not a faulty but functional system of government but a secret elite conspiring to control your life to an end, enough people (especially key people) will simply stop their support. We saw what happened in Afghanistan. The Taliban didn’t commit terrible acts of terror to gain absolute power, they gained that power when key people stopped supporting Afghan democracy and left a vacuum for extremists to take control.
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Of course what happened in Afghanistan was not the result of conspiracy theories, I brought it up as an example of when protectors of democracy choose to not do their crucial jobs, which is an effect that disinformation and conspiracies propels and uplifts.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/24/2023 12:20 AM
in contrast to the above post...
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here's a US army manual on how to start and train a militia
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only 30 pages!
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even if you don't want to start a militia (which you probably don't) it has very good organizational principles in it anyways (edited)
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Skullmaggot 2/24/2023 1:49 AM
@Steve Mike I'm just noting here that I think @Laguz24 may be near you if I'm not mistaken.
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Skullmaggot 2/24/2023 2:00 AM
@Laguz24 You also have a new person, GreaverBlade, at an unspecified location in Illinois.
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Skullmaggot 2/24/2023 2:07 AM
I don't suppose you have a text version of this since these are images where I can't copy the text from. Edit: This is also from 1994 in case there's a more recent version available. (edited)
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6L3THAL#0663 2/24/2023 2:08 AM
Definitely gonna take some organizational advice from this, thank you!
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Good! Well, one of the main problems that I’ve identified is a cause of democracy erosion is the proliferation and normalization of conspiracy theories. If enough people can be convinced that liberal democracy is not a faulty but functional system of government but a secret elite conspiring to control your life to an end, enough people (especially key people) will simply stop their support. We saw what happened in Afghanistan. The Taliban didn’t commit terrible acts of terror to gain absolute power, they gained that power when key people stopped supporting Afghan democracy and left a vacuum for extremists to take control.
Skullmaggot 2/24/2023 2:12 AM
Do you have an idea of how to combat the proliferation of conspiracy theories? Mostly, I think of these things as going uncorrected in the courts, so I'd want to identify relevant cases/judges/etc. to figure out where to put pressure. Edit: Also be aware that I'll be trying to narrow people's focus so that we're not spread out among too many things at once--I'd probably try to merge this with information gathering, depending on where you'd want to proceed. (edited)
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 2/24/2023 2:14 AM
Imma just......take that for no particular reason
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Imma just......take that for no particular reason
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Do you have an idea of how to combat the proliferation of conspiracy theories? Mostly, I think of these things as going uncorrected in the courts, so I'd want to identify relevant cases/judges/etc. to figure out where to put pressure. Edit: Also be aware that I'll be trying to narrow people's focus so that we're not spread out among too many things at once--I'd probably try to merge this with information gathering, depending on where you'd want to proceed. (edited)
Well, one thing that has worked for me is simply showing enough information that brings nuance to the fact. In my belief, most people are stupid because they choose to, not because they’re predestined to be. I have had conversations about the 13/50 statistic where I bring nuance to the situation (over-policing of communities, etc) and the person either has to accept my argument or accept that they’re believing in irrational biases and faith-based arguments instead of facts backed by reason. I think that in the Graphic Design area, images and posts debunking popular racist/lgbtphobic claims would do a great deal if mass proliferated. As for relevant cases, I cannot think of any at the moment. I think that in 2020-21 the courts showed a good amount of backlash against conspiracy theories when they unanimously dismissed the Big Lie even by Trump-appointed judges. But I know there’s a possibility that this will not last.
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Well, one thing that has worked for me is simply showing enough information that brings nuance to the fact. In my belief, most people are stupid because they choose to, not because they’re predestined to be. I have had conversations about the 13/50 statistic where I bring nuance to the situation (over-policing of communities, etc) and the person either has to accept my argument or accept that they’re believing in irrational biases and faith-based arguments instead of facts backed by reason. I think that in the Graphic Design area, images and posts debunking popular racist/lgbtphobic claims would do a great deal if mass proliferated. As for relevant cases, I cannot think of any at the moment. I think that in 2020-21 the courts showed a good amount of backlash against conspiracy theories when they unanimously dismissed the Big Lie even by Trump-appointed judges. But I know there’s a possibility that this will not last.
Skullmaggot 2/24/2023 8:23 PM
So, TheAnonymousDew also wants to launch an information campaign, and I’d advise getting familiar with those in #zine as we try to organize some media.
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So, TheAnonymousDew also wants to launch an information campaign, and I’d advise getting familiar with those in #zine as we try to organize some media.
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Skullmaggot 2/25/2023 12:55 AM
@Lanky_Pomegranate530 Would you be interested at all in helping with media of any type? This could be something like a zine or information campaign/propaganda. I'm converging people in #zine.
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@Neon Hi, what are you looking to organize on here? I also know lots of people in case you're looking for specific skills.
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@Lanky_Pomegranate530 Would you be interested at all in helping with media of any type? This could be something like a zine or information campaign/propaganda. I'm converging people in #zine.
Lanky_Pomegranate530 2/25/2023 1:33 AM
Sure. I can use some of my photo editing skills to make some anti-fascism posters.
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Sure. I can use some of my photo editing skills to make some anti-fascism posters.
Skullmaggot 2/25/2023 1:34 AM
☈ ☈ above you is also a graphic designer looking to do such if you want help.
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Sure. I can use some of my photo editing skills to make some anti-fascism posters.
Skullmaggot 2/25/2023 1:39 AM
Also, I'm getting a GitHub page up for storing graphic materials that aren't on the subreddit.
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Lanky_Pomegranate530 2/25/2023 1:41 AM
Ok
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even if you don't want to start a militia (which you probably don't) it has very good organizational principles in it anyways (edited)
As a reminder, it is illegal in all 50 states to organize and train a militia. We don't organize as militias around here.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/27/2023 10:01 PM
Oh of course
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That’s why you probably don’t wanna start a militia
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That’s why you probably don’t wanna start a militia
definitely don't wanna start a militia. But an armed neighborhood watch program on the other hand is NOT a militia.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 2/27/2023 10:43 PM
Would community defense count as a militia?
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To the cops, perhaps that's the tricky part. While Militia without government approval is illegal, it still happens. It's be smarter to call them hobbies or "firearm enthusiasts" something by relatively less obviously militia-y
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/27/2023 11:14 PM
gun club
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Skullmaggot 2/28/2023 2:44 AM
pretty much
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Hello, since I'm going to go to the "debate" with the far right and liberal parties (see https://discord.com/channels/990403086675759136/992808838048780318/1080374279817932841 ) I was thinking about taking the opportunity to contact people protesting if there are any But it's belgium, I don't have any organisation at all and it is in a week. So to make something quickly I was thinking about printing some sort of leaflets so that people could subscribe to a newsletter. Does anyone know how I can make such newsletter or something?
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6L3THAL#0663 3/1/2023 5:16 PM
Currently handing out flyers at my local college campus, one more and I will have handed out 20
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And that's all 20
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Hello, since I'm going to go to the "debate" with the far right and liberal parties (see https://discord.com/channels/990403086675759136/992808838048780318/1080374279817932841 ) I was thinking about taking the opportunity to contact people protesting if there are any But it's belgium, I don't have any organisation at all and it is in a week. So to make something quickly I was thinking about printing some sort of leaflets so that people could subscribe to a newsletter. Does anyone know how I can make such newsletter or something?
Skullmaggot 3/1/2023 7:20 PM
If you mean to design a newsletter, you may have a couple options. Really depends on how fast you want something and how specific you can be with design choices. Have the text you want on there already written. If you don’t know what to write, perhaps try the people in #zine . We have graphic designers but I’m not aware of any graphic design team yet, so you could try asking various people in #graphic-designers . You can also, perhaps depressingly, construct something yourself from templates and instructions online. There are also plenty of free graphic design programs. (I suppose google “free programs like Adobe Illustrator.” I would also recommend trying a hybrid approach, finding a template online that you’d want with a few tweaks and handing it to a designer to modify. Off the top of my head, you could try asking ☈ ☈#1190.
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If you mean to design a newsletter, you may have a couple options. Really depends on how fast you want something and how specific you can be with design choices. Have the text you want on there already written. If you don’t know what to write, perhaps try the people in #zine . We have graphic designers but I’m not aware of any graphic design team yet, so you could try asking various people in #graphic-designers . You can also, perhaps depressingly, construct something yourself from templates and instructions online. There are also plenty of free graphic design programs. (I suppose google “free programs like Adobe Illustrator.” I would also recommend trying a hybrid approach, finding a template online that you’d want with a few tweaks and handing it to a designer to modify. Off the top of my head, you could try asking ☈ ☈#1190.
What I mean by that is something that would send an automatic email when people subscribe to it, and function as some sort of mailing list to inform people about important news and events nearby, so like a mailing list but more automatic, where I don't have to add people manually to the list I call that a newsletter maybe it's not the right word idk
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AvoidOblivion 3/2/2023 8:39 AM
From my understanding, newsletter is a fitting word.
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Skullmaggot 3/2/2023 4:27 PM
@rayne.brown Hiya. So, one of the things we would be struggling with in management and organization is how to collaborate effectively. We have project management and collaborative tools, we can define goals, and we can chunk and divvy up work, but what are people’s expectations for the process of how to collaborate? Things feel like they’re not exactly meshing yet. I’ve been trying to research, but I want to hear from others how they expect collaboration to go.
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Skullmaggot 3/2/2023 6:06 PM
@Deleted User Sorry, I was busy with work all yesterday. Thanks for you and Oliphaunt for coming on. I see that OkraMonk in Massachusetts is already reaching out to you. I want to see if we can build more numbers in between everybody.
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@LessthanLoneWolf Before I forget, we have people in New Hampshire (and Rhode Island) it seems coming in here. See if you can get involved with Oliphaunt and Guardian here, and another person, Just-in Time, is in Rhode Island. I’m going to see if I can get some actual information gathering going for various states (probably starting in Virginia and the Carolinas). There ought to be a lot to talk about at this week’s meeting.
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joe hill’s revenge 3/2/2023 11:42 PM
@Sunshine Hey, Skull asked us to take up some of the onboarding for new member's. This is my first time onboarding people, so apologies if this is a little sloppy. In your introduction you said you don't know how to help, so please allow me to give you some directions. Currently we have three ongoing projects that I know of #chaos-monkeys infiltrates far right groups online #zine is working on creating an org wide publication and #flyer-drive is a monthly campaign to put up flyers in your neighborhood. If you have any ideas for projects, please suggest them (edited)
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Of course, our members participate in many worthy causes and actions as individuals.
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@Sunshine Hey, Skull asked us to take up some of the onboarding for new member's. This is my first time onboarding people, so apologies if this is a little sloppy. In your introduction you said you don't know how to help, so please allow me to give you some directions. Currently we have three ongoing projects that I know of #chaos-monkeys infiltrates far right groups online #zine is working on creating an org wide publication and #flyer-drive is a monthly campaign to put up flyers in your neighborhood. If you have any ideas for projects, please suggest them (edited)
Hmm, zine and flyer stuff sounds up my alley. Not really good at pretending to be a Nazi, tried to do the infiltration thing and it eats at my soul.
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Hmm, zine and flyer stuff sounds up my alley. Not really good at pretending to be a Nazi, tried to do the infiltration thing and it eats at my soul.
joe hill’s revenge 3/2/2023 11:48 PM
I feel the same way about infiltration.
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One thing I forgot to mention, we have biweekly meetings in the server Voice Chat every other Sunday
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Hmm, zine and flyer stuff sounds up my alley. Not really good at pretending to be a Nazi, tried to do the infiltration thing and it eats at my soul.
joe hill’s revenge 3/2/2023 11:50 PM
So, if your interested in the flyer drive please give yourself the flyer drive role. The next flyer drive will be from Friday the 10-12
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So, if your interested in the flyer drive please give yourself the flyer drive role. The next flyer drive will be from Friday the 10-12
How is the flyer drive facilitated? What’s the task at hand?
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How is the flyer drive facilitated? What’s the task at hand?
joe hill’s revenge 3/2/2023 11:52 PM
Short answer, its not facilitated. Iron front has a collection of free flyers you can print out and distribute:
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just print some out and put them up, @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy can give you some advice on how to do it safely
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Very based.
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joe hill’s revenge 3/3/2023 7:47 PM
@Just-in Time Hey, Skull asked us to take up some of the onboarding for new member's. This is my first time onboarding people, so apologies if this is a little sloppy. In your introduction you said youd like to help with flyering and graphic design. #flyer-drive is a monthly campaign to put up flyers in your neighborhood. #graphic-designers. We have an active New England chapter centered in #massachusetts
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Just-in Time 3/3/2023 8:12 PM
bet that sounds awesome, it seems I don't have access to the #flyer-drive channel though
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bet that sounds awesome, it seems I don't have access to the #flyer-drive channel though
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/3/2023 8:26 PM
It’s a role under #role-selection
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Just-in Time 3/3/2023 8:27 PM
bet ty
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Skullmaggot 3/4/2023 6:11 PM
@Brannigan For the Carolinas, connect with AvoidOblivion, Zed-Juron, and Theisman.
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@AvoidOblivion I'm moving people over to collaborate and store info on CryptPad and will be likely starting with Virginia+the Carolinas. We're doing a biweekly Sunday morning but relevant information will also be in the meeting minutes, and I'll come talk with you this week.
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@AvoidOblivion I'm moving people over to collaborate and store info on CryptPad and will be likely starting with Virginia+the Carolinas. We're doing a biweekly Sunday morning but relevant information will also be in the meeting minutes, and I'll come talk with you this week.
AvoidOblivion 3/4/2023 6:12 PM
Sounds good.
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Skullmaggot 3/6/2023 12:39 AM
@OkraMonk Would you be able to involve @Just-in Time in Rhode Island into the Massachusetts groups' stuff as well? How are things going with organizing? Edit: This message may be redundant. (edited)
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@OkraMonk Would you be able to involve @Just-in Time in Rhode Island into the Massachusetts groups' stuff as well? How are things going with organizing? Edit: This message may be redundant. (edited)
Yep definitely! @Just-in Time you should absolutely feel free to join us over at the #massachusetts channel. We have several initiatives going on and plenty of our work ends up being right on the border with RI just due to the locations of various hate groups and such
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I was just reading the notes from the latest meeting and I think I have enough experience to come up with a short hand guide to human-blockading from my experience during indigenous land defense, I'm going to come up with a literate walkthrough of simple non violent tactics and share it
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My homies in other places too far from me keep getting pushed over and having no formation despite having numbers
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Skullmaggot 3/8/2023 1:20 AM
@EmbroideredBunny Hiya, so what sort of information would you want to know? Do you have any goals that are concrete and immediate? I'll be also connecting you to people in Virginia and try to weave people into some collaborative tools.
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Skullmaggot 3/8/2023 1:52 AM
@GreaverBlade Able to say hi to to a new person in Illinois, spiderLSD? 🙂 I want to hear Illinois people's (GreaverBlade, Laguz24, 1uc2, spiderLSD) on-the-ground goals. Are you able to determine a direction for yourselves? @Laguz24 What do you want to get rolling?
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Skullmaggot 3/8/2023 2:02 AM
@Cedrick9 Hiya, what province are you in, if you're comfortable sharing that? Also, don't share your exact location like your city on this public Discord. Try immediately connecting with horhay for Canada in general. Network at protests if you can. (We have business cards available and may be able to make other handouts upon request.) I could use help organizing since we'd be teaching ourselves how to do things--I could use someone with experience.
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I’m over in Alberta
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Not getting to a ton of events these days cause of other commitments but im hoping to change that soon
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Skullmaggot 3/9/2023 2:27 AM
@WookZon Hiya, I’d send you over to OkraMonk for Massachusetts, and you can find roles in the #role-selection for Massachusetts and then insert yourself in the #massachusetts channel.
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I’m over in Alberta
Skullmaggot 3/10/2023 3:13 AM
Be sure to @ me since I bounce around a lot and may not otherwise see your message.
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Skullmaggot 3/13/2023 1:55 AM
@joe hill’s revenge @floppunism [BOI, ID] I'm going to chat up the new people in the introductions starting with Afterburyner. Some simple onboarding instructions are in the Current projects and issues>Onboarding CryptPad. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 3/13/2023 2:18 AM
@Swiss Abolitionist Hi, who invited you? Unfortunately, we might have a few people in Missouri, but we don't get too many and I don't think anyone else is active at the moment. I don't think we have network connections in the state either. I might be able to get you connected with people in Illinois? Or, would you want to help out remotely/online (such as with various media or intelligence)? It's also possible to start a social media account, and that may net you some local people to help out.
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Skullmaggot 3/13/2023 2:29 AM
@Jessi Hi, for Connecticut, I'd probably send you over to the Massachusetts group, so get the Massachusetts role from #role-selection and connect with OkraMonk. There are a few options but we'd probably have to set things up further in Connecticut to get things rolling. The immediate thing I can think of having you help with is a generalized media arm. We're trying to set up a zine and information campaign, and it could help to have video editing skills there. I would point you towards the people over at #zine . We've failed thrice already to start filmmaking, so it'd probably take a lot of engagement and an understanding that we're not professionals and will be teaching ourselves how to organize ourselves as we move forward. Another thing that could help in Connecticut is to start a social media account to net local connections.
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Skullmaggot 3/13/2023 2:49 AM
@JeganCustom We've got a few people throughout Michigan and a few people in SE Michigan. But, we need to establish some people who are taking it upon themselves to keep up with others locally. We haven't spoken in a while, but is this something you'd want to do? You also have rafe2486 (intelligence analyst) nearby.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/13/2023 1:02 PM
Element channel created, DM me your username and I’ll add you
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@Swiss Abolitionist Hi, who invited you? Unfortunately, we might have a few people in Missouri, but we don't get too many and I don't think anyone else is active at the moment. I don't think we have network connections in the state either. I might be able to get you connected with people in Illinois? Or, would you want to help out remotely/online (such as with various media or intelligence)? It's also possible to start a social media account, and that may net you some local people to help out.
Swiss Abolitionist 3/13/2023 11:30 PM
Kayrog posted an invite in the Behind the Bastards discord. Illinois would be fine. I legitimately can't think of skills that would be useful. I'm IT for a law firm and Sci-fi nerd. I can shoot haven't touched a gun since I separated from the Air Force in 09 though
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Kayrog posted an invite in the Behind the Bastards discord. Illinois would be fine. I legitimately can't think of skills that would be useful. I'm IT for a law firm and Sci-fi nerd. I can shoot haven't touched a gun since I separated from the Air Force in 09 though
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/13/2023 11:47 PM
Do you think you'd be decent at managing a social media page like on Instagram? If so, that's always a great way to be helpful.
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I started one just under two weeks ago and I've already made connections and impressions with big people
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fromdefilade 3/14/2023 10:22 AM
Hey, friends, if anyone is in the St. Louis area then I implore you to get ahold of folks at stlouisjbgc@protonmail.com. We want to get talking with you! There will be a sort of vetting procedure and convos to be had for sure. Working together’s imperative
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Skullmaggot 3/14/2023 4:48 PM
@minigunjedi1234 So, Oliphaunt and Guardian are in New Hampshire. I would also want to encourage people to make social media accounts. It’s been difficult for many people to find like-minded others in their community. But, others are finding success and networking through social media. Would that be something you’d like to try for Vermont?
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@Swiss Abolitionist Would that happen to be you for St. Louis? Would you want to check out the St. Louis John Brown Gun Club?
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Skullmaggot 3/14/2023 5:01 PM
@minigunjedi1234 You might also want to know about Tsunamix as they take trips to Vermont.
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@minigunjedi1234 So, Oliphaunt and Guardian are in New Hampshire. I would also want to encourage people to make social media accounts. It’s been difficult for many people to find like-minded others in their community. But, others are finding success and networking through social media. Would that be something you’d like to try for Vermont?
minigunjedi1234 3/14/2023 5:06 PM
My apologies, but just to clarify, do you mean making an AIF Vermont account/FB page?
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@minigunjedi1234 You might also want to know about Tsunamix as they take trips to Vermont.
minigunjedi1234 3/14/2023 5:08 PM
Good to know, thank you
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My apologies, but just to clarify, do you mean making an AIF Vermont account/FB page?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/14/2023 5:09 PM
We mainly use instagram. Better for networking
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My apologies, but just to clarify, do you mean making an AIF Vermont account/FB page?
Skullmaggot 3/14/2023 5:23 PM
Yes, and we can then link it to our website via Steve Mike. (As floppunism says, Instagram might be better.) This’d be an experiment to see if we can net more people in Vermont like this.
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Yes, and we can then link it to our website via Steve Mike. (As floppunism says, Instagram might be better.) This’d be an experiment to see if we can net more people in Vermont like this.
minigunjedi1234 3/14/2023 5:41 PM
I've just created an insta for AIF in Vermont.
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I've just created an insta for AIF in Vermont.
Skullmaggot 3/14/2023 6:20 PM
So, I’ve not done a social media account myself yet but I plan to do so soon. horhay (British Columbia) and LessthanLoneWolf (Massachusetts) off the top of my head have created successful social media accounts and have found people through them. You could probably ask them for advice on what to do. Probably start with horhay, I think LessthanLoneWolf might be busy and off the Discord.
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Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 12:47 AM
@IIT0NE Hi, I’m an organizer on this Discord. I can answer general questions and direct you to people and resources. Firstly though, if your profile pic is of yourself, be aware of protecting your PII on this public-facing Discord—you may want to change it. Where we’re at right now in graphic design is that we have a few graphic designers and artists, but we don’t have an organized graphic design team. I can throw people together, but I don’t think I’d have enough time on top of everything to come up with assignments, work through revisions, and keep a team together. (It seems users floppunism and Krat were concerned with addressing this task.) This Discord was established last June, and things have been small for several months but we’ve developed a few people for each function. A zine/blog (and possibly a greater media arm) is starting and will almost certainly want graphics, so you should be aware of currently touching grass, Unu51, and GreaverBlade in the #zine channel. For Kentucky, there’s Steve Mike, who’s taking the lead on our website, so you may be working directly with them as well. I’m also trying to encourage people to start local social media accounts (e.g. Instagram) since it seems that people are able to net more connections and even intelligence through such. I’d probably be starting social media accounts all over, and I’m seeing who would want to take responsibility for them. I want to get more people for your locale so that we can get firearms training, mutual aid, and community defense started.
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@usbt Hiya. So, the above post to IITONE applies to you as well. ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ You've already gotten to meet 6L3THAL and Revolae in Virginia, but if you're moving somewhere else, are you comfortable sharing what state? (Please do NOT give your exact location.) (edited)
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Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 1:27 AM
Also, for anyone replying to me, be sure to @ me so I see your message.
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@usbt Hiya. So, the above post to IITONE applies to you as well. ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️ You've already gotten to meet 6L3THAL and Revolae in Virginia, but if you're moving somewhere else, are you comfortable sharing what state? (Please do NOT give your exact location.) (edited)
I’m going to be moving to Maryland in a few months
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I’m going to be moving to Maryland in a few months
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 1:42 AM
Then you'd probably want to get in contact with curcale's group in the DMV area. You can probably contact them through user PINAPPLE. I also want to be directing people towards making social media accounts. It's an experiment, but it seems some people are making local connections and boosting their numbers through such. If that's something you want to do, horhay (British Columbia) can help out with how to run one and keep it safe. My role is in getting a handle on what skills we have at our disposal and putting people together for projects. People are free to organize on this Discord, and I can get you people and resources. We're also at a do-ocracy stage where it is more advantageous for people to take initiative and step on others' toes rather than wait around for permission for anything. We actually need more people who have a clear idea of what they want to do and dream up and hand out tasks. I can of course direct you towards what we're building and give you things to do, but I'm also interfacing with a hundred other people and lack the time to give enough attention to each person. We need more people who are able to self-determine what to do and to move towards more close-knit teams.
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Then you'd probably want to get in contact with curcale's group in the DMV area. You can probably contact them through user PINAPPLE. I also want to be directing people towards making social media accounts. It's an experiment, but it seems some people are making local connections and boosting their numbers through such. If that's something you want to do, horhay (British Columbia) can help out with how to run one and keep it safe. My role is in getting a handle on what skills we have at our disposal and putting people together for projects. People are free to organize on this Discord, and I can get you people and resources. We're also at a do-ocracy stage where it is more advantageous for people to take initiative and step on others' toes rather than wait around for permission for anything. We actually need more people who have a clear idea of what they want to do and dream up and hand out tasks. I can of course direct you towards what we're building and give you things to do, but I'm also interfacing with a hundred other people and lack the time to give enough attention to each person. We need more people who are able to self-determine what to do and to move towards more close-knit teams.
Alright. If you want I can focus on trying to organize a graphics design team. I have experience editing and managing a comics anthology at my university so I can model it off of how that was organized to start
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Alright. If you want I can focus on trying to organize a graphics design team. I have experience editing and managing a comics anthology at my university so I can model it off of how that was organized to start
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 2:11 AM
Yeah, and get in contact with currently touching grass, Unu51, and GreaverBlade for the zine. I also hope to get help from IITONE above you here, and I want to see if we can get more involvement from Sinned (DMV area), who says they can do zines. For graphic design, try hitting up people in #graphic-designers . We haven't been able to give them the engagement they need, so you'll have to check if people are still active. You could try: Just-in Time eurycek ☈ ☈ Revolae Xulff (haven’t spoken with them yet) KASIZAH spacewolf05 bat’koMakhno (photography, haven’t spoken with them yet) Jessi (video editing) franknfurtr2 (inactive?) egaleagle (photography, inactive?) Evo (Belgium) has been wanting help but I think we’ve missed their deadline, and knuckles (New Jersey) might have some ideas for graphics. Lanky_Pomegranate530 posts a ton on the subreddit and their own r/DeSantisThreatensUSA subreddit, so they could probably use some help. (I haven’t asked them yet though.) Krat runs the AIF Twitter, so they might want some graphics.
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Alright. If you want I can focus on trying to organize a graphics design team. I have experience editing and managing a comics anthology at my university so I can model it off of how that was organized to start
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 2:12 AM
I also have an AA in Graphic Design in case you need anything filled in that's quick, but I'm generally chatting up everyone and may not have time to work on graphics :/. (edited)
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I also have an AA in Graphic Design in case you need anything filled in that's quick, but I'm generally chatting up everyone and may not have time to work on graphics :/. (edited)
thanks for the info on all that! In terms of setting up an organized team I do think we’ll need to use something other than discord to organize deadlines and projects so everyone knows what’s going on, as this isn’t a great format for that. I would suggest google sheets so people can collaborate but I’m not sure how the security on that is and if people are comfortable sharing emails
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thanks for the info on all that! In terms of setting up an organized team I do think we’ll need to use something other than discord to organize deadlines and projects so everyone knows what’s going on, as this isn’t a great format for that. I would suggest google sheets so people can collaborate but I’m not sure how the security on that is and if people are comfortable sharing emails
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 2:22 AM
This is a public Discord, so assume there are feds and fash on here. People ought to be protecting their personally identifiable information (PII) and should instead be using anonymous/encrypted emails (e.g. ProtonMail). Usually, we advise against using Google since law enforcement can gain access to information on there, but on the other hand, this public Discord is concerned with making antifascism accessible to the public, so I don't think we'd have too much trouble able keeping content private, just protecting people's PII. I believe FIGMA was used in the past, and there is also CryptPad as a secure e2e encrypted option for collaborative word docs and spreadsheets. They have slides and a whiteboard, so you might want to check out their functionalities and make an account: https://cryptpad.fr/.
CryptPad: end-to-end encrypted collaboration suite
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This is a public Discord, so assume there are feds and fash on here. People ought to be protecting their personally identifiable information (PII) and should instead be using anonymous/encrypted emails (e.g. ProtonMail). Usually, we advise against using Google since law enforcement can gain access to information on there, but on the other hand, this public Discord is concerned with making antifascism accessible to the public, so I don't think we'd have too much trouble able keeping content private, just protecting people's PII. I believe FIGMA was used in the past, and there is also CryptPad as a secure e2e encrypted option for collaborative word docs and spreadsheets. They have slides and a whiteboard, so you might want to check out their functionalities and make an account: https://cryptpad.fr/.
Thank you!! That’s really helpful, I’ll look into it :)
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Thank you!! That’s really helpful, I’ll look into it :)
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Thank you!! That’s really helpful, I’ll look into it :)
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 2:26 AM
Thanks in advance. Things don't always run smoothly and will require a bit of patience to get started, but I'm here to make sure that everyone is able to get something out of their involvement with us.
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Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 4:40 AM
Memo for myself: Talk with Guardian.
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@IIT0NE Hi, I’m an organizer on this Discord. I can answer general questions and direct you to people and resources. Firstly though, if your profile pic is of yourself, be aware of protecting your PII on this public-facing Discord—you may want to change it. Where we’re at right now in graphic design is that we have a few graphic designers and artists, but we don’t have an organized graphic design team. I can throw people together, but I don’t think I’d have enough time on top of everything to come up with assignments, work through revisions, and keep a team together. (It seems users floppunism and Krat were concerned with addressing this task.) This Discord was established last June, and things have been small for several months but we’ve developed a few people for each function. A zine/blog (and possibly a greater media arm) is starting and will almost certainly want graphics, so you should be aware of currently touching grass, Unu51, and GreaverBlade in the #zine channel. For Kentucky, there’s Steve Mike, who’s taking the lead on our website, so you may be working directly with them as well. I’m also trying to encourage people to start local social media accounts (e.g. Instagram) since it seems that people are able to net more connections and even intelligence through such. I’d probably be starting social media accounts all over, and I’m seeing who would want to take responsibility for them. I want to get more people for your locale so that we can get firearms training, mutual aid, and community defense started.
Thanks @Skullmaggot. Any idea how I can reach Steve Mike? As for @joe hill’s revenge, @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy and @GreaverBlade, I'd love to get to work on the zine. I have plenty of experience in Typography and Editorial design, as well as fanzines from back in the day. Just tell me what you need. Cheers 👍
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Oh and @Skullmaggot do you know if there's a marketing tools pack available anywhere? I'd like to start an IG page. I'm happy to use logos/symbols that are readily available, but if there are existing resources for this particular group, it'd be handy to have those on-hand.
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So, I’ve not done a social media account myself yet but I plan to do so soon. horhay (British Columbia) and LessthanLoneWolf (Massachusetts) off the top of my head have created successful social media accounts and have found people through them. You could probably ask them for advice on what to do. Probably start with horhay, I think LessthanLoneWolf might be busy and off the Discord.
LessthanLoneWolf 3/15/2023 10:45 PM
Still here! Just not as frequently
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I've just created an insta for AIF in Vermont.
LessthanLoneWolf 3/15/2023 10:46 PM
Nice to see another NE group setting up!
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I run the AIF NE Instagram, so feel free to ask any questions. Feel free to use anything one there as well
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Still here! Just not as frequently
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 11:05 PM
Lol
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/15/2023 11:06 PM
I need to get more involved in bringing people in to the MA chapter. Many hands make light work
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I need to get more involved in bringing people in to the MA chapter. Many hands make light work
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 11:07 PM
Hehe, I’m getting too many hands and not enough mouths to update them on what needs to be done.
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/15/2023 11:14 PM
Feel free to direct any NE people my way; starting to get a better idea of doing things
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LessthanLoneWolf 3/15/2023 11:28 PM
Has anyone here had experience with fundraising/obtaining donations? I’m putting together an Amazon wishlist (still getting kinks ironed out before going live) and a cash app in order to help with mutual aid efforts. Any input is welcome.
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Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 11:46 PM
@IIT0NE I’m writing up a couple pages of stuff for you and getting you some resources but I think I’m out of time today. I should be able to give you a response tomorrow evening.
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@usbt Also, plenty of new graphic designers will announce themselves in the #introductions channel, so it’s a good channel to pay attention to.
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Thanks @Skullmaggot. Any idea how I can reach Steve Mike? As for @joe hill’s revenge, @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy and @GreaverBlade, I'd love to get to work on the zine. I have plenty of experience in Typography and Editorial design, as well as fanzines from back in the day. Just tell me what you need. Cheers 👍
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/15/2023 11:54 PM
@joe hill’s revenge is having some computer issues atm but we're happy to have you on board.
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Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 11:57 PM
@Kattt For propaganda, probably get to know the #zine people (I suppose we can differentiate further as things grow, but I’m trying to coalesce talent there), and you should probably try Revolae and TheAnonymousDew. You’ll need graphics, so check in with usbt (and IITONE), who is taking charge of organizing a graphic design team.
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@Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy Sorry, trying to keep track of everything. A new user, usbt, is trying to organize a graphic design team in case you need graphics.
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@grAvity Hi, get in touch with usbt, who is organizing a graphic design team. You may also be working with #zine people. For New Hampshire, get in touch with Oliphaunt and Guardian. For Massachusetts, try OkraMonk and LessthanLoneWolf.
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Skullmaggot 3/16/2023 12:30 AM
@usbt I forgot to say: I believe Revolae and TheAnonymousDew will have propaganda ideas.
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@joe hill’s revenge is having some computer issues atm but we're happy to have you on board.
joe hill’s revenge 3/16/2023 1:16 PM
It’s funny how as soon as yours got fixed mine broke!
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I've just created an insta for AIF in Vermont.
Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 12:40 AM
Let me know what else I can do for you. You're in a newer place, so I'd want to work on developing what we can in Vermont.
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@MissLiner Hi, very sorry, I think I skipped over you in the introductions! I'd be sending programmers over to Steve Mike, Casey, and Oliphaunt for web development. What end of New York are you in? (Please don't give your exact location.)
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@joe hill’s revenge Would it be alright to create social media (particularly Instagram) for New Jersey? I'm looking at that as a way to net local people.
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Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:01 AM
@bat'koMakhno Hiya, I'm an organizer on here. I see you've chatted with floppunism. I'm currently trying to run an experiment to see if we can net more people for each locale by creating social media (I think the preference being Instagram so far). Would you be interested in creating a social media account for (Northern) Idaho to see if it'll attract more people in your area? If you need help managing it, you can probably ask horhay (British Columbia).
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/17/2023 1:02 AM
North Idaho is certainly a whole different beast than the south where I'm at so I'd be cool with a split thing!
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North Idaho is certainly a whole different beast than the south where I'm at so I'd be cool with a split thing!
Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:02 AM
gotcha
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@spiderLSD Hi, have you been able to meet fellow Illinoisans yet?
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@spiderLSD Hi, have you been able to meet fellow Illinoisans yet?
sadly not, i’m from florida so i don’t know many people up here
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Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:06 AM
@nuklhed Hi, we're getting people intermittently throughout the giant state of Texas, but I'd like to establish something more stable. I could maybe recommend seeking out a Liberal Gun Club and keeping in contact with us. It would also likely help to start a social media account (e.g. Instagram). Some people have had success in finding local people through social media.
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sadly not, i’m from florida so i don’t know many people up here
Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:08 AM
Oh! That'll change things. What part? (Please don't give your exact location.)
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sadly not, i’m from florida so i don’t know many people up here
Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:09 AM
Oh sorry! Sleepy today. I misunderstood. You're currently in Illinois, right?
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all good lmao, yea north east area illinois
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all good lmao, yea north east area illinois
Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:16 AM
That'd be 1uc2 then. They've been putting all their effort into a database for us. I want to be able to build up local density. We still don't have a surefire way of getting new people (beyond being gregarious and flyering colleges and chatting people up safely), but I'm encouraging people to make a local social media account (e.g. Instagram) since some people have had success that way. You can refer to horhay (Britsh Columbia) for help managing social media if you decide you'd like to go that route.
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all good lmao, yea north east area illinois
Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:17 AM
You also have GreaverBlade and Laguz24 in the state.
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Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 2:41 AM
@Allegedly Human I'm afraid we don't get too many people from Oklahoma. There is an active John Brown Gun Club in the state: https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBrownOK . I'd want to network with them. If you instead want to see if you can start your own thing, we could try getting the word out by flyering or setting up a social media account (Instagram seems to be the current preference). Some people have found success in networking through social media. As for writing, I'm coalescing talent in #zine . Get in touch with currently touching grass, Unu51, and GreaverBlade. You could also try getting in contact with Kattt and Revloae for propaganda. We might be able to get a good media arm up finally, so you may also want to connect with the people in #graphic-designers in case you'd like graphics. Steve Mike is leading the website in case we're ever writing things up for the website.
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@Allegedly Human I also want to discuss marketing since we're in dire need of finding new audiences in the next 6-12 months to keep growing. I want to learn how to advertise effectively. I could use help being walked through that.
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@bat'koMakhno Hiya, I'm an organizer on here. I see you've chatted with floppunism. I'm currently trying to run an experiment to see if we can net more people for each locale by creating social media (I think the preference being Instagram so far). Would you be interested in creating a social media account for (Northern) Idaho to see if it'll attract more people in your area? If you need help managing it, you can probably ask horhay (British Columbia).
bat'koMakhno 3/17/2023 4:24 AM
Yeah of course, whatever you think will help. How should I start ?
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@joe hill’s revenge Would it be alright to create social media (particularly Instagram) for New Jersey? I'm looking at that as a way to net local people.
joe hill’s revenge 3/17/2023 12:35 PM
Couldn’t hurt
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Yeah of course, whatever you think will help. How should I start ?
Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 12:58 PM
horhay (British Columbia) has details about what kind of content to put up, what to expect, and how to protect your personally identifiable information (PII). They want to help out, so hit them them up. I’d be later trying to collect data about what’s working so that we have a process.
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Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 1:01 PM
Okie dokie.
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Little news, made a contact with the local executive director of our chamber of commerce... we're going to be working on building affordable housing and community building together it seems.
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Particularly in the realm of creating/promoting sustainable community projects, collective residence communities.
11:03 PM
By building that collective mentality, we'll be more armored against the manipulation that will inevitably come from down the mountain in the fash haven of Colorado Springs.
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We're missing about 30% of the housing we need to sustain the workforce here thanks to short term rentals... which means we have a chance to bring 30% of the local population towards egalitarian/anti-fascist ideals through directly benefiting them. Virtually no local will not know someone in that community, and therefore be exposed to the benefits those folks gain by being a part of it.
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I'm excited... that is how you change culture... the chance to do this is exactly what I've dedicated my entire life to. There is literally no greater tool to use against fascism than a real sense of belonging to a community.
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I'm excited... that is how you change culture... the chance to do this is exactly what I've dedicated my entire life to. There is literally no greater tool to use against fascism than a real sense of belonging to a community.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/17/2023 11:09 PM
Congrats, brother.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/17/2023 11:09 PM
Fuck yeah! Direct action is awesome.
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Some day soon when I'm out of school I've gotta go down and visit what you have. I'd love to look into building something similar, just the issue is where and how.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Congrats, brother.
Thank you. Keeping my fingers crossed, the Executive Director is a veteran, with a place in her heart for anthropology, indigenous people, and the Zapatisa in particular... It was a deep conversation at first sight.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Some day soon when I'm out of school I've gotta go down and visit what you have. I'd love to look into building something similar, just the issue is where and how.
Shit we might be actively building it by then and you can come down and help... then take what we do, help us improve, and take better polished ideas with you when you go do the next one.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/17/2023 11:12 PM
That'd be awesome. I've enough experience with making stuff thanks to my dad to know how basic things are done, but nothing on a scale like that.
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That'd be awesome. I've enough experience with making stuff thanks to my dad to know how basic things are done, but nothing on a scale like that.
The hardest part is actually the community building aspect... not the construction stuff... most of that is just plug and play based on what you have money for and playing tradeoffs between things you don't. The community building requires getting people to buy into a change of attitude towards their neighbors that our culture has drilled into them as uncivilized or childish.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/17/2023 11:16 PM
That makes sense.
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All around the world there are people who don't think about themselves to the exclusion of others. Here thinking about yourself to the exclusion of others is the norm. Flipping that is a gigantic task.
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When I was doing blockading we had 2 daily community meetings in each camp to discuss feelings and objectives, it was under the guidelines of indigenous elders and it was definitely new compared to my rural yeehaw isolation life
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Skullmaggot 3/20/2023 1:25 AM
@grAvity Hi, you stated during the meeting that you needed input about what flyers to make? Have you contacted usbt for graphic design or Kattt for propaganda yet? Kattt also has made a separate Discord for propaganda: https://discord.gg/t7ta8h5b
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Skullmaggot 3/22/2023 12:40 AM
I may be out for a couple of days. I’m experiencing some poor mental health and have to take a break. I expect to resume either Wednesday or Thursday.
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Take all the time you need! I hope things improve
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AvoidOblivion 3/22/2023 1:09 AM
Do what you need to do. Mental health is important. Stay safe and healthy.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/22/2023 1:11 AM
Take it easy, brother.
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fromdefilade 3/22/2023 5:32 PM
🚨LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY🚨 call to action for an event on March 26th. Organizers are asking for the community to show up in support to Show these boneheads that made threats they’re not welcome. Rally your crew and plan ahead. WE keep us safe!
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From comrades in the Kentuckiana region calling for those in the Louisville, KY area to show up in support of a food bank and animal rescue that is hosting a Pride event on the 26th. White lives matter have made it apparent that they intend to at least demonstrate outside the event. wlm is an explicitly neo-Nazi, 14 words worshipping group and have been known to commit violence. If you’re in the area, consider showing up in support.
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The Kentuckiana JBGC are some good people. Make fascists know they’re not welcome anywhere.
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Skullmaggot 3/23/2023 1:03 AM
@fromdefilade Hiya, so Steve Mike and IITONE are in Kentucky, and I'm not yet sure but I suspect Laguz24 may be around there as well.
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@Jamey (he/him) Hi, I'm an organizer on here, and I apologize for getting to you so late. I've been sick the last few days. For Chicago or Illinois, I'd say get in contact with spiderLSD, 1uc2, and GreaverBlade.
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@$0.99_Shy_Of_a_Dollar For propaganda, contact Kattt. There is also another Discord for propaganda creation: https://discord.gg/t7ta8h5b. For #graphic-designers , contact usbt and IITONE. For #zine people, contact Ian H., Unu51, and GreaverBlade. For Virginia, contact 6L3THAL, Revolae, and I believe usbt and Kattt are also in Virginia.
Discord is the easiest way to talk over voice, video, and text. Talk, chat, hang out, and stay close with your friends and communities.
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@jonathan D same for you as for $0.99_Shy_Of_a_Dollar above ^^^^^^.
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Skullmaggot 3/23/2023 1:22 AM
@Eazy8 Antifa Viking For #graphic-designers , contact usbt and IITONE. For propaganda, contact Kattt as well as be on https://discord.gg/t7ta8h5b. For Michigan, contact HeinzBlackLabel.
Discord is the easiest way to talk over voice, video, and text. Talk, chat, hang out, and stay close with your friends and communities.
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@Dantar13 We're still struggling to get something started in Southern California, but probably at least get in contact with Unu51 and MonsieurMorbid. (I don't think they are into meeting up, however, sorry.) I'm also in California but in Northern California. It's also worthwhile to message WilloweA, who should have further contacts. Within AIF, I want to do some sort of social media (e.g. Instagram) since some people are successfully finding other local people through such.
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Skullmaggot 3/25/2023 12:26 AM
@Felony So, Ian H. and knuckles in New Jersey will want to reach out to you. I think at the moment New Jersey can benefit in creating a social media account to net more local people. Flyering colleges also seems effective, and you can likely refer to 6L3THAL in Virginia for what has been working for her group.
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Rad, I’ve been talking to Ian. Trying to get anything past the flyer approval committee at Rutgers is a nightmare and they will just take whatever you put up down without approval. But all talk to 6L3THAL and see what’s working for them.
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@6L3THAL#0663 I’m having a hard time figuring out how to direct message you. Can you open a chat when you get a chance? Thank you.
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Skullmaggot 3/27/2023 11:00 PM
@nikolyznowu Hiya, I try to organize people and send them to relevant groups. I'd probably send you over to Kattt on the prop server (https://discord.gg/vyzc8v2f) for propaganda. We haven't organized films yet, but you should find other creatives there. I'm also coalescing talent in the #zine if you'd like to write. Get in contact with Ian H., Unu51, and GreaverBlade. It might also be worthwhile to know #graphic-designers, refer to usbt and IITONE. For New York, what quadrant of the state are you in? (Please do NOT give your exact location.)
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Skullmaggot 3/28/2023 1:14 AM
@NGNMGoon Hiya, I try to organize people on the Discord. For Ohio, perhaps get in contact with AldotheApache. We've had a number of people in the state but have had trouble encouraging them to organize. Right now, a few people are making headway with accruing more people through flyering colleges and setting up social media accounts. We have an Ohio subreddit but I think we'll have more luck if we do an Ohio Instagram. If you want to do anything media-related; try Kattt (film? and propaganda, https://discord.gg/vyzc8v2f); usbt and IITONE for #graphic-designers ; and Ian H., Unu51, and GreaverBlade for #zine . For #web-development , refer to Steve Mike, and Casey. For web design, you'd also perhaps encounter Oliphaunt. However, Oliphaunt's Discord account seems to have been recently compromised and is spamming links to viruses. Do NOT click links sent by Oliphaunt. We're trying to sort things out.
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@nikolyznowu Hiya, I try to organize people and send them to relevant groups. I'd probably send you over to Kattt on the prop server (https://discord.gg/vyzc8v2f) for propaganda. We haven't organized films yet, but you should find other creatives there. I'm also coalescing talent in the #zine if you'd like to write. Get in contact with Ian H., Unu51, and GreaverBlade. It might also be worthwhile to know #graphic-designers, refer to usbt and IITONE. For New York, what quadrant of the state are you in? (Please do NOT give your exact location.)
nikolyznowu 3/28/2023 1:34 AM
Central/west NY at the moment. May not be able to be very active due to being busy unfortunately.
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Central/west NY at the moment. May not be able to be very active due to being busy unfortunately.
Skullmaggot 3/28/2023 1:39 AM
You could have people and orgs near you. Perhaps try contacting Eightman and ask about their connections. You might also try Flower City Firearms (I have not networked with them yet) if you're interested in firearms training or other connections.
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Alright, I'll get a hold of Apache and see if we can get the ohio people up and moving.
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Aldio, not Apache, I read the name wrong.
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Aldo*
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Skullmaggot 3/29/2023 12:08 AM
@Froggy6615 Hiya, I try to organize people here. Although it's not required, if you feel comfortable with sharing your general location (north/east/south/west+state) then I can try to connect you with other local people/orgs. Please do NOT give your exact location.
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Northeast ohio
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Northeast ohio
Skullmaggot 3/29/2023 2:56 PM
Alright, so check out what I wrote to Sig here at 3/27 on this channel. You can try contacting AldotheApache, and we can probably use an Ohio Instagram and flyering colleges to find more local people. Ohio is proving a bit difficult to get started. I’ll see if I can provide a list of people who are in the state later this week (hopefully Thursday), but I’m not sure if people in Ohio wanted to advance anything or meet up :/. For now, try Sig and AldotheApache, and keep pestering me about other connections—we still need to build stuff up. You might also see if you can find connections through fromdefilade, who is with the St. Louis JBGC and who I believe is trying to network. We’ve got people in surrounding states, but Ohio has been tricky thus far.
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I'm trying to reach out to regional JBGC to come out and help.
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Pittsburgh and Columbus.
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Tell then that there's already been a attempt on lives before and this is a urgent matter
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Them*
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@Skullmaggot Are there any people in the surrounding states that might be able to make it out? PA, Michigan?
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Or do you know orgs I might not that I can reach out too.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/29/2023 4:59 PM
I’m unfornately unable to make it there on that day on relatively short notice
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There will be more, I guarantee it. Thanks though.
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@Froggy6615 Yooo, would you like to chat in here or should I message you? I'd like to see how you'd feel about coming out to counter protest at the Element 41 drag shows and/or the chesterland church drag story hour.
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As I understand it, the church is only asking for outside clergy to be security for the story hour. There isn't a lot of parking and it's on 2 busy streets
6:51 PM
There is a fruit farm across the street, but for now I plan to honor the church's wishes. My aunt goes to a UCC church on the west side and that's where I got that info. They are going to help and that's what they were told
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Chesterland is pretty fash friendly so planning to monitor the situation though
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I'm hoping to get to the square by 9:30 or 10. I'll have 2 of my kids in tow and hoping for more
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What can/should I bring?
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I'm trying to reach out to regional JBGC to come out and help.
Skullmaggot 3/29/2023 7:42 PM
Excellent. I don’t suppose you’ve managed to reach AldotheApache. I know they haven’t been on for a couple months, and getting things rolling in Ohio has been difficult, sorry. A new person, Froggy6615 is also in Ohio.
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@Skullmaggot Are there any people in the surrounding states that might be able to make it out? PA, Michigan?
Skullmaggot 3/29/2023 7:43 PM
I don’t know anyone in PA. Michigan, yes, get in contact with HeinzBlackLabel.
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What can/should I bring?
Skullmaggot 3/29/2023 7:47 PM
I’d suggest chatting with Massachusetts people since they’re experienced. Perhaps try OkraMonk/catcatcat.
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Skullmaggot 3/29/2023 7:59 PM
Here’s also a rundown of what to bring to protests: https://github.com/IronFrontUSA/wiki/wiki/Protest-Logistics
IFUSA Wiki. Contribute to IronFrontUSA/wiki development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Skullmaggot 3/30/2023 1:29 AM
@arionette Hiya, I try to organize the people on here. For Virginia, contact 6L3THAL and Revolae. I'm also interested in strategies to deconvert alt-right/fascist/authoritarian people since I would very much prefer deconversion over conflict. We have a few deradicalized people in the server (I would have to make a list, though). We also have a psychological researcher, EmbroideredBunny, who's also in Virginia who I'd like to roll into the task of psychologically and sociologically analyzing fascists to come up with ways to deradicalize them. (I don't think I've discussed this with them yet.) Welcome aboard! For graphic design, contact usbt and IITONE, and you can contact Kattt and probably Revolae for propaganda (probably also including film). Incidentally, usbt and Kattt are also in Virginia. (edited)
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I would suggest that if anyone is around the drag story hour at the church to drive around and look for where any fash are parking\meeting up. What you do with that info is up to you
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Perhaps some of them can be followed after they leave and more information can be gained
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I would suggest that if anyone is around the drag story hour at the church to drive around and look for where any fash are parking\meeting up. What you do with that info is up to you
Its already been done. Scouting completed, we know their plans and were they are likely parking, how many theyre bringing, and what groups are likely showing up.
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And we've been in contact and communication with the organizers of both events.
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Fing sweet. Im glad. The church just released a statement calling out the lack of support from the pigs
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Well they didn't want us to provide security.
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We told them we were showing up anyway. Comment on there and remind them theyre we're 50 leftist that offered to be a wall for them.
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It reads more like, "we got this, thanks for nothing cops" I did let my aunt know that she has backup available if things don't go as they plan. Not that she's a leader, but she is loud 😉
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/30/2023 12:26 PM
Stay safe y’all. I’m worried that they’ll get violent after Nashville
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I had planned to bring .50 paintball guns with personal defense balls. But even though they are bright red, I'm afraid that someone would still claim to have felt threatened. I may have them in the van though
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Were straight up bringing rifles and bear mace.
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Were just not going to open carry unless they start really getting pissy.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/30/2023 12:31 PM
Makes sense. If they’re outnumbering y’all they’re probably going to be quite rowdy
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Any chance going tonight too?
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Apparently there is a vigil or something on the square
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We told them we were showing up anyway. Comment on there and remind them theyre we're 50 leftist that offered to be a wall for them.
Skullmaggot 3/30/2023 3:29 PM
Please remember that this is a public Discord. Please do not discuss numbers or plans on here. Use encrypted messengers instead.
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Fair, were operating under the assumption that were already co.promised.
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I'll remember it though.
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@Froggy6615 if you plan on showing up lmk now so I can speak to you securely.
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Tonight or Saturday? BUT Saturday yes
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Ima pm you
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/31/2023 5:35 PM
@RebelKitty Hi! The Idaho branch is small with you as our fourth active member, but I’m working hard to get our message out there and find new and motivated people like yourself. Are you in northern, southern, or eastern idaho? I just want to know so I can better help coordinate with you. We’re non-hierarchical here so you’re free to do whatever you want, as an organizer I’m just here to help suggest actions and the like for you.
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@RebelKitty Hi! The Idaho branch is small with you as our fourth active member, but I’m working hard to get our message out there and find new and motivated people like yourself. Are you in northern, southern, or eastern idaho? I just want to know so I can better help coordinate with you. We’re non-hierarchical here so you’re free to do whatever you want, as an organizer I’m just here to help suggest actions and the like for you.
South. And much appreciated. We reeeeally are under-served of any of these kinds of groups in general.
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South. And much appreciated. We reeeeally are under-served of any of these kinds of groups in general.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/31/2023 8:51 PM
Yeah, though I did just go to a TDOV event and there was a surprising turn out. I’m in the Boise area btw.
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I’m really surprised no fash showed up at that event
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Yeah, though I did just go to a TDOV event and there was a surprising turn out. I’m in the Boise area btw.
Heckin awesome!! Stay safe out there but totally kickass.
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Yeah, though I did just go to a TDOV event and there was a surprising turn out. I’m in the Boise area btw.
I did security at my local TDOV and same not a fash in sight. We had a huge turnout and a great time.
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@RebelKitty Hi! The Idaho branch is small with you as our fourth active member, but I’m working hard to get our message out there and find new and motivated people like yourself. Are you in northern, southern, or eastern idaho? I just want to know so I can better help coordinate with you. We’re non-hierarchical here so you’re free to do whatever you want, as an organizer I’m just here to help suggest actions and the like for you.
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Skullmaggot 4/1/2023 2:39 AM
@Kattt Hi, I apologize for the wait. I wanted to check in on what you have planned for propaganda.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 11:25 PM
@Micah Thomas Hiya, I try to organize people on here. For the website, contact Steve Mike, Casey, and Oliphaunt#3058 on #web-development and #website-project . We're lacking in managerial experience and we're still small, so make sure to insert and assert yourself and express your expectations about how the process of collaboration should be. Field biology is exciting, but forgive me, I wouldn't know how to adapt it for use in antifascist action. Though, I encourage you to bring up biological analogies/know-how to see if we can apply it here. People are also free to organize on the Discord, and if you have ideas you want to implement, I can connect you to people and resources. And, although it's not necessary, if you want to tell me what state/region you're in, I can connect you with the people there.
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@Joey’s Maltese Emporium Hi, I try to organize people on here. For Utah, we almost never get people from the state in here, so growth in the state hasn't been sustained. We can give you input/instructions about how to get more people for a local group, but we'll probably have to build things up from scratch. I'm also trying to poke some networks currently, so that may change. But, you might find it more worthwhile to search locally for orgs, just saying, to get into some protests. Though, if you're fine helping out, how are you on marketing? (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/3/2023 2:23 AM
@usbt Sorry for the long wait, but I'd like to go over any plans you have for a graphic design team. Have you been able to reach out to people, and what do you have going on? (You needn't respond today, these are just my end-of-the-day thoughts and I'll be heading to bed soon.)
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@usbt Sorry for the long wait, but I'd like to go over any plans you have for a graphic design team. Have you been able to reach out to people, and what do you have going on? (You needn't respond today, these are just my end-of-the-day thoughts and I'll be heading to bed soon.)
hi! I've reached out to 10 people so far. the crypdrive IFUSA folder is up, but we haven't started scheduling projects yet. I'm going to try and brainstorm with everyone some projects to work on, and then people can assign themselves tasks. Since the group is pretty small right now, scheduling might not be necessary yet so I'm not gonna be insistent on it. I'm also going to work with the propaganda division to create resources in the cryptdrive folder for them, like videos and other media they can use. @6L3THAL#0663 has been collecting videos of a recent protest the VA chapter attended, so that's a start. The discord for propaganda isnt really up and running yet, but @$0.99_Shy_Of_a_Dollar and I are gonna work on that soon as well
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@Micah Thomas Hiya, I try to organize people on here. For the website, contact Steve Mike, Casey, and Oliphaunt#3058 on #web-development and #website-project . We're lacking in managerial experience and we're still small, so make sure to insert and assert yourself and express your expectations about how the process of collaboration should be. Field biology is exciting, but forgive me, I wouldn't know how to adapt it for use in antifascist action. Though, I encourage you to bring up biological analogies/know-how to see if we can apply it here. People are also free to organize on the Discord, and if you have ideas you want to implement, I can connect you to people and resources. And, although it's not necessary, if you want to tell me what state/region you're in, I can connect you with the people there.
Micah Thomas 4/3/2023 8:10 PM
Hi, I am currently in VA and would like network. Sometimes I use my biology/plant ID skills for OSINT stuff, but really I know how to deploy teams for remote research work and organize software development teams.
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hi! I've reached out to 10 people so far. the crypdrive IFUSA folder is up, but we haven't started scheduling projects yet. I'm going to try and brainstorm with everyone some projects to work on, and then people can assign themselves tasks. Since the group is pretty small right now, scheduling might not be necessary yet so I'm not gonna be insistent on it. I'm also going to work with the propaganda division to create resources in the cryptdrive folder for them, like videos and other media they can use. @6L3THAL#0663 has been collecting videos of a recent protest the VA chapter attended, so that's a start. The discord for propaganda isnt really up and running yet, but @$0.99_Shy_Of_a_Dollar and I are gonna work on that soon as well
Skullmaggot 4/3/2023 8:40 PM
Thanks, I’ve also been directing people to you on here if you scroll up, but we’ll have to see if they follow up.
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Hi, I am currently in VA and would like network. Sometimes I use my biology/plant ID skills for OSINT stuff, but really I know how to deploy teams for remote research work and organize software development teams.
Skullmaggot 4/3/2023 9:48 PM
For Virginia, contact 6L3THAL and see if they can vet you for OSINT. If you know how to organize teams, I could use some help learning since I’m just a graphic designer. We also have austinwiltshire as a managerial consultant. Current problems I’m having are how to arrange effective delegation and get results. Edit: And I guess setting up how to train people for various roles. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/3/2023 10:51 PM
@floppunism [BOI, ID] How would you encourage people to get out there? Or, if people have motivation, what sort of procedure could they follow? (I’ve got my own procedure that I’d try to enact but I want to hear what you’re thinking first. Also, I may only be able to respond intermittently.)
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For Virginia, contact 6L3THAL and see if they can vet you for OSINT. If you know how to organize teams, I could use some help learning since I’m just a graphic designer. We also have austinwiltshire as a managerial consultant. Current problems I’m having are how to arrange effective delegation and get results. Edit: And I guess setting up how to train people for various roles. (edited)
Micah Thomas 4/4/2023 12:05 AM
for training I find that well written documentation and mentor/understudy are the quickest way to onboard. Start a 'style guide', this way all the pages from different contributors have the similar layout/format. If you have someone that is a people person, they would be great for the mentor coordinator.
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Skullmaggot 4/4/2023 3:48 PM
Been having internet problems today in case I’m not available.
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Skullmaggot 4/5/2023 3:17 AM
@grAvity Welcome back. As a reminder, for Massachusetts, try OkraMonk and LessthanLoneWolf and insert yourself into the Massachusetts channel. For New Hampshire, try Oliphaunt and Guardian. I'm sorry that you feel uncomfortable about the anarchists and socialists on the server. We are big tent, so there's a lot of groups here, and we're all American. I was trepidatious myself getting into this, but the longer I've spoken with people the more I realize that people are just people. I wouldn't think that too many are hard-headed here. We'd want your contributions to the debate. Debate is what's important to democracy. And if people are going to give you a hard time then I'll tell them off, lol.
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Skullmaggot 4/5/2023 3:27 AM
@MariannaRosey For graphic design, try usbt and IITONE, and you may also want to know the #zine people if you want stuff written. Although it's not required, if you share what part of what state you're in, I can try to connect you with the people there. (Please do NOT give your exact location.)
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@Nijoja For Michigan, try HeinzBlackLabel. For propaganda, try usbt or Kattt, and know the people in #zine . (edited)
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MariannaRosey 4/5/2023 6:54 PM
Hi, someone tagged me but I can’t see the message. What did it say?
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Oh nvm it just popped up
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I’m in Connecticut!
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@grAvity Welcome back. As a reminder, for Massachusetts, try OkraMonk and LessthanLoneWolf and insert yourself into the Massachusetts channel. For New Hampshire, try Oliphaunt and Guardian. I'm sorry that you feel uncomfortable about the anarchists and socialists on the server. We are big tent, so there's a lot of groups here, and we're all American. I was trepidatious myself getting into this, but the longer I've spoken with people the more I realize that people are just people. I wouldn't think that too many are hard-headed here. We'd want your contributions to the debate. Debate is what's important to democracy. And if people are going to give you a hard time then I'll tell them off, lol.
LessthanLoneWolf 4/6/2023 5:01 AM
@grAvity looking to get more involved in the MA chapter?
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MariannaRosey
I’m in Connecticut!
LessthanLoneWolf 4/6/2023 5:02 AM
What part of CT?
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LessthanLoneWolf
@grAvity looking to get more involved in the MA chapter?
Yea
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grAvity
Yea
LessthanLoneWolf 4/6/2023 10:50 AM
I’ll send you a dm
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Skullmaggot 4/7/2023 2:20 AM
@╣Xan╠ Hi, I try to organize the people here. For graphic design (and film probably) contact usbt (and Kattt). For South Florida, perhaps try a679591, and TheAnonymousDew is also around there.
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alright
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:04 PM
Who would I want to talk to in order to get more involved? NYC here.
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
Who would I want to talk to in order to get more involved? NYC here.
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:12 PM
@knuckles is close to nyc
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As is Ian
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not the other NJ guy though
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joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:12 PM
Your much closer
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I’m in the phillysphere
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That's lame
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joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:13 PM
If yr ok with patronizing new Jersey
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:13 PM
Man I got get with Jerseys just to save America. God help us.
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
Man I got get with Jerseys just to save America. God help us.
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:13 PM
We don’t like you either
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Do you even own a car? Or a house?
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A house with a yard
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Or do you take a bus back to your little box ("apartment") every night?
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joe hill’s revenge
We don’t like you either
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:14 PM
I ain't gotta like y'all we just gotta work together for a better America. Fkin punks lol
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
Man I got get with Jerseys just to save America. God help us.
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:15 PM
Cats and dogs, elves and dwarves, nj and nyc
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Or do you take a bus back to your little box ("apartment") every night?
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:15 PM
I got an electric motorcycle I charge outside my apt at night
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knuckles
Do you even own a car? Or a house?
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:15 PM
tbf half of Americans don't own a house, I'm in good company.
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joe hill’s revenge
Cats and dogs, elves and dwarves, nj and nyc
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:15 PM
Rohan and Gondor
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Who is Gondor
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
I ain't gotta like y'all we just gotta work together for a better America. Fkin punks lol
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:16 PM
Yr probably already writing a musical about it in your two billion a month apartment wearing doc martens and cranking 22gz
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Yr probably already writing a musical about it in your two billion a month apartment wearing doc martens and cranking 22gz
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:16 PM
that is slander sir
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I wear timbs
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Who is Gondor
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:16 PM
Deblasio is denethor
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How many times have you gotten stabbed on your way to your apartment?
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joe hill’s revenge
Deblasio is denethor
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:17 PM
yea but Eric Adams is Wormtongue
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
yea but Eric Adams is Wormtongue
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:17 PM
Murphy is theodin
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How many times have you gotten stabbed on your way to your apartment?
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:17 PM
Zero. It's almost like Black folks are just everyday Americans and nothing to be afraid of.
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Zero. It's almost like Black folks are just everyday Americans and nothing to be afraid of.
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:17 PM
Which burrow?
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Talking about New Yorkers not specifically Black people
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Which burrow?
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:18 PM
Best Borough
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Ok that could be any of them (edited)
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Best Borough
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:18 PM
Staten Island
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Talking about New Yorkers not specifically Black people
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:18 PM
its called giving you shit Jersey
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joe hill’s revenge
Staten Island
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:18 PM
You wanna fight?
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Them's fighting words.
7:19 PM
I would never live on that rich trash heap
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You wanna fight?
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:19 PM
I know, the best borough is Yonkers
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Queens, Manhattan, Staten Island, Brooklyn and I forget the fifth but I know it
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:19 PM
Bronx
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Yeeee
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:20 PM
I'm in Brooklyn. Just a few miles from a Civil War monument decorating the Union.
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Which one is called Kings County
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:20 PM
Brooklyn, I think.
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Staten Island
I'm hard-core Californian and even I know if I had to live in NY, I will Refuse Staten Island. You couldn't pay me to live there
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:22 PM
Cali is almost as terrible as Jersey.
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California's say you are weak
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California is New York City but hotter and more street-shitting and forest fires
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California's say you are weak
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:23 PM
go waste your water on almonds ya jabroni
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How come you don't have Baja California
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knuckles
California is New York City but hotter and more street-shitting and forest fires
And a generally solid two college system
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I don't know what that means
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:24 PM
it's more philly slang
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
go waste your water on almonds ya jabroni
Ok to be fair, as @Spinner can attest, CA gov would gladly get rid of Almonds here if the farmers weren't prone to causing shit in their greed
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I meant Monsieur Morbid
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Trust me, WE TRY
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I know what a jabroni is
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What's your problem with almonds
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:24 PM
They're a waste of water.
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Don't you milk them when you run out of soy milk or something?
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Almonds take a LOT of water to grow
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:25 PM
I actually drink whole milk, and that's how I'm a weirdo in NYC
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More then they are worth for CA economic and environmental safety
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2%
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Listen you can get that latte taste with less fat, do it
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Your stomach will thank you
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:26 PM
You make me sick.
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:26 PM
East > West
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RebelKitty 4/7/2023 7:27 PM
Are we fighting over... deez nuts?🥜 🤔
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knuckles
Don't you milk them when you run out of soy milk or something?
Actually a big problem I have with farmers in my state is most of the food we grow is shipped out of country.
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Some commiefornian drinks almond milk when he runs out of soy
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:27 PM
Nah just lamenting I must join forces with such lost souls they drink 2% milk.
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but wants almonds to be banned and almond farmers to be gulaged or something
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So not even CA locals get shit outta of it. AT LEAST ARE DAIRY AND COW FARMERS ARE MORE CONSIDERATE OF STATES NEEDS THEN ALMOND FARMERS
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:28 PM
Only support gulags for Jersey
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Wisconsin has the dairy not commiefornia
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Nah just lamenting I must join forces with such lost souls they drink 2% milk.
RebelKitty 4/7/2023 7:28 PM
Nah, nah, I'm whole milk all the way. I ain't no Bolshevik.
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What Jersey do?
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:28 PM
Exists
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No no, CA has a huge dairy industry
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:28 PM
Exists and knows better
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My grandma lives near one. Makes the best fucking eggnog
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NY stole rightful NJ land
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
You make me sick.
You act if you wouldn't spontaneously combust in a nice CA summer day
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:30 PM
Cali weather is unnatural. No real seasons or the passing of time.
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Just like Florida.
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:31 PM
Jersey probably deserved it
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Tell that to our record breaking winter this year
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Tell that to our record breaking winter this year
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:31 PM
I saw that. Was super jealous, we got zero snow this winter in NYC
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I was bout to go all General Sherman on these neighborhood kids next time there's a snowball fight
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No reverse Sherman for you
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:33 PM
We really got no New Yorkers here? Wanted to start actually making a difference.
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Seriously tho, my street flooded
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Also tbh I know we got a couple of CA folk, Flop's in the hellstate of Idaho, not sure where everyone else is from
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Almonds take a LOT of water to grow
AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:38 PM
Which is exactly why oat milk is the best choice: it has the least environmental impact of all types of milk. It does tasts like milk-flavored water, though.
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Which is exactly why oat milk is the best choice: it has the least environmental impact of all types of milk. It does tasts like milk-flavored water, though.
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:39 PM
big fan of milk milk
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:40 PM
Milk milk does taste the best, but the environmental demands are far too great to warrant consuming it.
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Which is exactly why oat milk is the best choice: it has the least environmental impact of all types of milk. It does tasts like milk-flavored water, though.
Eh, a2 has also been a god scent for that, being a regular milk with a key part removed for those with a more specific allergic reaction to only one specific kind of protein
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Godsend*
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The fuck auto correct
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:41 PM
I turned auto correct off.
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AvoidOblivion
Milk milk does taste the best, but the environmental demands are far too great to warrant consuming it.
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:42 PM
I agree in excess, but I think in moderation it's fine. It's not like we're going to make cows extinct to solve Climate Change.
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AvoidOblivion
Milk milk does taste the best, but the environmental demands are far too great to warrant consuming it.
Technically we could feed cows plants that help decrease methane productivity in cows Surprisingly Seaweed might help with this
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
Nah just lamenting I must join forces with such lost souls they drink 2% milk.
joe hill’s revenge 4/7/2023 7:43 PM
I drink whole milk
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I come from a family history of ranchers
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
I agree in excess, but I think in moderation it's fine. It's not like we're going to make cows extinct to solve Climate Change.
AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:45 PM
I agree. In moderation, there is no problem. The problem exists because of the mass farming done to obtain such large quantities. The amount of grain, the land it demands, water usage, water pollution, atmospheric pollution… and that’s just the farm itself. That does not include the land the feed is grown on, the transportation of the feed, or anything outside the immediate farm. There are also the ethical problems. Packing massive amounts of animals into tiny areas is abhorrent on its own, but the conditions of their lives and what they are put through during them is disgusting. I want to go vegan as soon as possible, but that is currently not financially possible. Vegan food in my area is very expensive and very rare.
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I agree. In moderation, there is no problem. The problem exists because of the mass farming done to obtain such large quantities. The amount of grain, the land it demands, water usage, water pollution, atmospheric pollution… and that’s just the farm itself. That does not include the land the feed is grown on, the transportation of the feed, or anything outside the immediate farm. There are also the ethical problems. Packing massive amounts of animals into tiny areas is abhorrent on its own, but the conditions of their lives and what they are put through during them is disgusting. I want to go vegan as soon as possible, but that is currently not financially possible. Vegan food in my area is very expensive and very rare.
AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:46 PM
Human Greed in action.
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I believe it was Shakespeare who said that Hell is empty and all the Devils are here.
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AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:48 PM
I could spend hours talking about the delusions of grandeur present in the human psyche, how we have this belief in us that we are better than all other lifeforms and deserving of everything simply because we learned to walk upright sooner than others and evolved opposable thumbs sooner than others.
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:49 PM
I would argue that because of our capacity for Reason we have ascended beyond Nature's Law of Red and Green to create something far more just and equal.
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but that's more of a 'with great power comes great responsibility' thing than a delusions of grandeur thing, at least I hope so
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i.e. other lifeforms will leave you to die with a broken leg, Human Beings will care for each other until we are back to full health.
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i.e. other lifeforms will leave you to die with a broken leg, Human Beings will care for each other until we are back to full health.
AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:52 PM
This part of human nature is valuable and must not be left behind. I believe it was Spinner who said quite recently that we are unique in this right, though I could be mistaken.
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AlexanderthePrettyGood 4/7/2023 7:53 PM
All it is is Empathy. The acknowledgement that we are all in this together, because all we've got is each other.
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ey fuck you rebel
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
All it is is Empathy. The acknowledgement that we are all in this together, because all we've got is each other.
RebelKitty 4/7/2023 7:54 PM
One of my personal favorite yet ever fading virtues in society
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AlexanderthePrettyGood
All it is is Empathy. The acknowledgement that we are all in this together, because all we've got is each other.
AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 7:55 PM
We’re all in this together… Together. Forever. Or so long as mankind exists. A large part of me doubts we will exist in three hundred years.
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RebelKitty 4/7/2023 7:56 PM
I had a boss legitimately, unironically come to me baffled that I expressed empathy because he had never heard of this thing. A grown, adult man in authority had just learned that imagining how another person actually feels is a thing people did. Not just like figuratively.
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I had a boss legitimately, unironically come to me baffled that I expressed empathy because he had never heard of this thing. A grown, adult man in authority had just learned that imagining how another person actually feels is a thing people did. Not just like figuratively.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/7/2023 7:59 PM
That dude sounds like a legit sociopath.
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RebelKitty 4/7/2023 7:59 PM
I think people really take it for granted and those of us with it sometimes let it take over to excess. I personally believe it's one of the most fundamental and most precious aspects of being human, however. That we knowingly do irrational things at cost to ourselves to benefit others is one of the most profound and wonderful flukes of nature.
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That dude sounds like a legit sociopath.
RebelKitty 4/7/2023 8:01 PM
Right though?! That I thought was a mental condition, but if you start asking around there are a lot who just see the word, associate it with good, and say yeah it's good without actually stopping to do it or think.
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I had a boss legitimately, unironically come to me baffled that I expressed empathy because he had never heard of this thing. A grown, adult man in authority had just learned that imagining how another person actually feels is a thing people did. Not just like figuratively.
Lowkey your boss sounds like a entitled sociopathic prick
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I argue empathy is there, but it has to acknowledge human beings are not as hyperindividual as capitalism suggest we are
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I think people really take it for granted and those of us with it sometimes let it take over to excess. I personally believe it's one of the most fundamental and most precious aspects of being human, however. That we knowingly do irrational things at cost to ourselves to benefit others is one of the most profound and wonderful flukes of nature.
AvoidOblivion 4/7/2023 8:07 PM
Just as has been stated here and in many other leftist spaces before, that’s capitalism at work. It wants to destroy the self and our respect and care for others because that is the best way to maximize profits while minimizing expenses.
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Just as has been stated here and in many other leftist spaces before, that’s capitalism at work. It wants to destroy the self and our respect and care for others because that is the best way to maximize profits while minimizing expenses.
RebelKitty 4/7/2023 8:20 PM
What folks even identify as "capitalism" is usually full of government strings and controls to give the people the illusion of some organic spontaneity. Then the unwitting poors get so caught up fighting over scraps they fail to see the big game. I think it's more just an extension or tool of class warfare.
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Skullmaggot 4/7/2023 11:30 PM
What did I just step in?
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@Dizzy Hi, I try to organize the people on here. (Ignore the quackery above.) For writing, try Ian H. and the #zine people. What part of California would you be in? (Please do NOT give your exact location.) Though, we don't have anything set up in California at the moment (though we might have some connections through a friend of a friend). What we're in need of are some networks and people getting into networks to be able to find contacts throughout the US for on the ground stuff.
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This part of human nature is valuable and must not be left behind. I believe it was Spinner who said quite recently that we are unique in this right, though I could be mistaken.
That's a paraphrasing, but good enough. It's hard coded into our brains to do so via millions of years of hominid development. It's literally how we can survive while we only have one offspring at a time. Without it hominids would have gone extinct before H.Sapien ever developed.
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And it can be argued that our capacity for reason is directly related to our capacity to provide for those who cannot provide for themselves. We HAVE to have more reasoning skills to adapt to complex situations like a member of the clan with a broken femur. We have to develop solutions to problems like allowing them to walk even though they cannot. (thus tools like sticks as crutches)...
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It can be reasoned in fact that H.Sapien survived when H.Neandertalis and H.Florensiens (sp) did not because of our capacity for seeing others as equals and thus getting our support... especially since we know, both other species of hominids are integrated into H.Sapien today. We didn't kill them off... we adopted them as mates and family.
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Eventually there was just Hybrid H.Sapien left... after a few thousand years of grunting to communicate them to join us.
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We did the same thing with Canis Lupus, except the interbreeding with us part... we made them part of us, an integral part of us. So important in fact that we could not have survived without them.
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How does this relate to organizing? It doesn't really, except that we have to accept and acknowledge that fundamental part of us as humans in order to forge the local connections we need to organize.
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RebelKitty 4/8/2023 1:08 AM
I'm not sure how what I said was that controversial when that's the actual state of affairs 🤔 Wasn't pointing at a particular political group there, but is not the Western "capitalist" system just re-skinned socialism with added plutocracy? I even believe in free exchange, my issue is that it is not "free" but marketed as such.
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Amazon lobbies laws for commercial drones. Pharmaceutical companies lobby laws on a constant basis. Utilities. Internet. Software. Chips. None of these industries are "capitalist" and involve heavy amounts of government intervention and beauracracy to maintain.
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RebelKitty 4/8/2023 1:18 AM
I'm sorry if it detracted from the topic of organizing but it was the discussion. I feel having some level of empathy for even groups you disagree with is important for our organizational goals though. I simply acknowledged truth in a sincere, if slightly meandering, response to my statement. That's healthy discussion though.
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@Dizzy Hi, I try to organize the people on here. (Ignore the quackery above.) For writing, try Ian H. and the #zine people. What part of California would you be in? (Please do NOT give your exact location.) Though, we don't have anything set up in California at the moment (though we might have some connections through a friend of a friend). What we're in need of are some networks and people getting into networks to be able to find contacts throughout the US for on the ground stuff.
I'm located in NorCal to be as non-specific as possible. I don't have tons of connections to any particular networks, but I am a few degrees of separation from some big names in my local government. Grassroots folks whose ears I can grab with a little effort. I'll go read through the zine channel and see if I can contribute/learn anything! Sorry for the late message, my sleep schedule is next to non-existent.
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I'm located in NorCal to be as non-specific as possible. I don't have tons of connections to any particular networks, but I am a few degrees of separation from some big names in my local government. Grassroots folks whose ears I can grab with a little effort. I'll go read through the zine channel and see if I can contribute/learn anything! Sorry for the late message, my sleep schedule is next to non-existent.
Skullmaggot 4/9/2023 1:24 AM
That'd be me then, I'm in Northern California. I've been derelict in getting things running up here since I'm been doing mostly online stuff. If you're interested in advancing things, we can rightly do social media, flyer some colleges, and network at protests. However, I'm severely restricted in what I can do: I've been climbing out of disability enough to do some on-the-ground stuff but I'm also keeping my involvement with AIF a secret from my parents. They are against protesting and I believe they'll throw me out if they figure out I'm in AIF or if I attend a protest, I'm on thin enough ice as it is. If you want to discuss anything, let me know. I'm currently trying to build up more of a network through Virginia but could probably use help researching groups and making cold calls and building stuff up from scratch.
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Skullmaggot 4/9/2023 2:02 AM
@anna.punk Hi, I try to organize people on here. For Virginia, refer to 6L3THAL, Revolae, and usbt. For writing, insert yourself into the group in #zine, and you might also speak with usbt about graphic design/propaganda.
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@enemy of the state Hi, have you been able to network with the people in Virginia? There's a larger group now. You could try 6L3THAL, Revolae, and usbt. (edited)
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enemy of the state 4/9/2023 8:31 AM
i’m already in that group!
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enemy of the state
i’m already in that group!
Skullmaggot 4/10/2023 12:34 AM
Just checking! I haven't kept up with you and just saw your reaction on the intro page the other day.
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@Liberally_Armed (He/Him) Hiya, I try to organize the people on here. What part of Maine are you in? (Please do NOT give your exact location. This is a public Discord, so please protect your PII.)
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Liberally_Armed (He/Him) 4/10/2023 6:38 AM
Hello @Skullmaggot I’m located in southern Maine.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 3:02 PM
@beheadedbats Welcome! We’re happy to accept people of all ages. Like what Skullmaggot asked, do you have anything you think you could bring or just want to learn? We wanna get you with the right group of people.
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beheadedbats 4/13/2023 8:50 PM
Alright, well I'd say my biggest thing is medicine and science; it's what I'm most interested in and probably what I know the most about. I also have pretty decent communication skills, I'm good at deescalating conflict and making friends. As a side note, my dad teaches political science at university, so I have resources when it comes to that, and I have a sizeable amount of free time especially with summer coming up, so I will be available a lot.
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beheadedbats 4/13/2023 9:28 PM
Also, I forgot to add that I speak Spanish fluently.
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Alright, well I'd say my biggest thing is medicine and science; it's what I'm most interested in and probably what I know the most about. I also have pretty decent communication skills, I'm good at deescalating conflict and making friends. As a side note, my dad teaches political science at university, so I have resources when it comes to that, and I have a sizeable amount of free time especially with summer coming up, so I will be available a lot.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 10:21 PM
Awesome, we’ve got a few EMTs and paramedics here as well if you wanna chat with us about that stuff. I’m always open to nerding out about medicine. What fields of science are you interested in?
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beheadedbats 4/13/2023 10:22 PM
I'm mostly interested in chemistry and biology, and quantum physics have always fascinated me.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/13/2023 10:23 PM
particle physics is my fav, personally
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Skullmaggot 4/14/2023 12:49 AM
@beheadedbats For Indiana, refer to JohnBrosGhost (AIF Indiana). (If you're not hearing back from anybody, let me know.) You can also try the Kentuckiana JBGC (https://twitter.com/KI_JBGC) or an Indiana DSA chapter (https://www.dsausa.org/chapters/). You can probably learn a bit of medicine from LessthanLoneWolf, floppunism, or the EMTs here. I'm nominally a chemist. (I haven't been able to use my degree since I got sick after college and I'm trying to change careers.) Volunteer work is good. What's been your experience?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/14/2023 4:48 PM
So I might be moving to Virginia soon. Any groups I should get in contact with should I wind up moving?
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beheadedbats 4/14/2023 6:07 PM
Thanks, I've already found the nearest DSA chapter but I'm not sure how to get in touch with them, but even then I'm limited in what I can do. It's still good to know where to find them. And I'll make sure to talk to the medics. My volunteer experience has been overwhelmingly positive, I've met and served some really great people. I volunteered at a house where previously incarcerated people live for a while until they can get back on their feet; and that really helped me learn to see everyone as just people, no matter how society demonizes them (and I made some good friends). I also worked at a place where volunteers or workers cook and serve food on mornings for people who need it, and where those people can do laundry or take a shower or a nap. Currently, there's nothing on the ground that I can do besides volunteer work in my town, since my current environment is really restrictive, so I'm just counting down the days until I can leave and talk to different people who might be of help organizing. I've also been trying to just get in touch with people online, so these resources have been really helpful.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
So I might be moving to Virginia soon. Any groups I should get in contact with should I wind up moving?
Skullmaggot 4/14/2023 11:30 PM
6L3THAL and usbt got all the connections!! (edited)
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Thanks, I've already found the nearest DSA chapter but I'm not sure how to get in touch with them, but even then I'm limited in what I can do. It's still good to know where to find them. And I'll make sure to talk to the medics. My volunteer experience has been overwhelmingly positive, I've met and served some really great people. I volunteered at a house where previously incarcerated people live for a while until they can get back on their feet; and that really helped me learn to see everyone as just people, no matter how society demonizes them (and I made some good friends). I also worked at a place where volunteers or workers cook and serve food on mornings for people who need it, and where those people can do laundry or take a shower or a nap. Currently, there's nothing on the ground that I can do besides volunteer work in my town, since my current environment is really restrictive, so I'm just counting down the days until I can leave and talk to different people who might be of help organizing. I've also been trying to just get in touch with people online, so these resources have been really helpful.
Skullmaggot 4/14/2023 11:38 PM
Alrighty, if you do get in touch with anyone that would want to associate with our antifascism network, I'd also want to collect any contact details they would want to share, and I'd share our connections with them.
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@Tidweezy#88 Hiya, I try to organize the people on here. Are you looking to teach online or in person? Texas has been a bit tricky to sustain a presence in and get organized. Currently, you could try The Unicorn Republic, who is part of r/transguns. (Actually, did you come from r/transguns? We have a sudden influx of people.) (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/14/2023 11:52 PM
@Elagabalus Lives For North Carolina, try AvoidOblivion and Zed-Juron. There's two strategies (that you'd probably want to do together) to build up more density in your area: 1) Contact local DSA, YDSA, Food Not Bombs, Trans Radical Activist Network, John Brown Gun Clubs in the area. 2) Build up an AIF chapter through social media (Instagram seems effective), flyering colleges, and networking at protests. Also, people are free to organize on this Discord, they don't need any permission to move ahead with high-level decisions. Be vocal about what you want to push forward and invite people into what you want to do. However, this is still a public Discord, so protect your PII. If you're going to discuss any plans, use encrypted messengers instead. (edited)
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@Tidweezy#88 Hiya, I try to organize the people on here. Are you looking to teach online or in person? Texas has been a bit tricky to sustain a presence in and get organized. Currently, you could try The Unicorn Republic, who is part of r/transguns. (Actually, did you come from r/transguns? We have a sudden influx of people.) (edited)
Tidweezy#88 4/14/2023 11:55 PM
Either is fine. I did not come from transgun
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Skullmaggot 4/14/2023 11:59 PM
So, the Lounge and Meeting Room voice chat channels are free to use for scheduling any sort of seminars. Really though, we'd need people to be able to either write or coalesce written resources + being able to walk people through them. We'll have to check what The Unicorn Republic may have available in Texas (if they agree to anything, I still need to ask). Did you have a particular thing you want to focus on first? Trying to do too many things at once is tough.
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Tidweezy#88 4/15/2023 12:00 AM
First aid and community engagement
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@Elagabalus Lives For North Carolina, try AvoidOblivion and Zed-Juron. There's two strategies (that you'd probably want to do together) to build up more density in your area: 1) Contact local DSA, YDSA, Food Not Bombs, Trans Radical Activist Network, John Brown Gun Clubs in the area. 2) Build up an AIF chapter through social media (Instagram seems effective), flyering colleges, and networking at protests. Also, people are free to organize on this Discord, they don't need any permission to move ahead with high-level decisions. Be vocal about what you want to push forward and invite people into what you want to do. However, this is still a public Discord, so protect your PII. If you're going to discuss any plans, use encrypted messengers instead. (edited)
Elagabalus Lives 4/15/2023 12:11 AM
Thanks! I'll hit them up. I'll start reaching out to those orgs this week. I know some folks in a couple of those. I live near the three largest campuses in the state. I'll go through the channels and find graphics for printing flyers and stencils. Any thoughts on registered student organizations? Having an RSO can open up access and resources, but invites an additional level of scrutiny. I'll start getting more versed in Insta, but hopefully I can quickly onboard some younger, far more hip folks than I to take up the social media mantle. Thanks for the reminders on opsec. Shit is getting wild.
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Skullmaggot 4/15/2023 12:12 AM
First aid and Stop the Bleed seminars have been bubbling up sometimes. I suppose chat with LessthanLoneWolf for the same topic, although I believe they were preferring to do it only in person, and I assumed that'd be the best way. The Unicorn Republic needs more help with Stop the Bleed training, so yeah. Sorry, I don't know of too many connections in Texas currently, only the one, who may have more connections.
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Thanks! I'll hit them up. I'll start reaching out to those orgs this week. I know some folks in a couple of those. I live near the three largest campuses in the state. I'll go through the channels and find graphics for printing flyers and stencils. Any thoughts on registered student organizations? Having an RSO can open up access and resources, but invites an additional level of scrutiny. I'll start getting more versed in Insta, but hopefully I can quickly onboard some younger, far more hip folks than I to take up the social media mantle. Thanks for the reminders on opsec. Shit is getting wild.
Skullmaggot 4/15/2023 12:21 AM
If you do make connections, I'd like to collect network contact details if they want to share them, and I'll hand them ours. I've not actually thought about RSOs due to the mercurial nature of a decentralized AIF movement. Nobody really speaks for anyone else, people are pretty free with how they want to own AIF, so what you set up may have a level of independence and its own identity--I haven't thought such through yet, so we can talk. Oh also, I forgot to mention, there's an AIF chapter up in Virginia (refer to 6L3THAL and usbt). Although they're a ways away, they have lots of connections that may further your network, and they have been able to grow successfully and should be able to provide guidance. I'd want to see if we can build up presences from city to city in between you two. (edited)
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If you do make connections, I'd like to collect network contact details if they want to share them, and I'll hand them ours. I've not actually thought about RSOs due to the mercurial nature of a decentralized AIF movement. Nobody really speaks for anyone else, people are pretty free with how they want to own AIF, so what you set up may have a level of independence and its own identity--I haven't thought such through yet, so we can talk. Oh also, I forgot to mention, there's an AIF chapter up in Virginia (refer to 6L3THAL and usbt). Although they're a ways away, they have lots of connections that may further your network, and they have been able to grow successfully and should be able to provide guidance. I'd want to see if we can build up presences from city to city in between you two. (edited)
Elagabalus Lives 4/15/2023 12:32 AM
Will do. I'll pass along any helpful networking and resources. I really appreciate getting some direction hot out the gate. I'm tired of feeling like I haven't been doing enough. I've gotta go crash before I get in trouble with the wife. I look forward to getting some shit done with y'all.
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Will do. I'll pass along any helpful networking and resources. I really appreciate getting some direction hot out the gate. I'm tired of feeling like I haven't been doing enough. I've gotta go crash before I get in trouble with the wife. I look forward to getting some shit done with y'all.
Skullmaggot 4/15/2023 12:33 AM
Of course, glad to be working with you!
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joe hill’s revenge 4/15/2023 4:52 PM
general meeting Date: Sunday 4/16 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: mutual aid (I got a list of people who seem to have connections, and we can probably put together a network), marketing, networking (National Lawyers Guild?) (edited) (edited)
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@Tidweezy#88 Hiya, I try to organize the people on here. Are you looking to teach online or in person? Texas has been a bit tricky to sustain a presence in and get organized. Currently, you could try The Unicorn Republic, who is part of r/transguns. (Actually, did you come from r/transguns? We have a sudden influx of people.) (edited)
Blahaj Blaster 4/15/2023 7:37 PM
I gave this place a little shout out, also changed my username on discord to match my username on YouTube A lot of people in r/transguns have been looking for better ways to organize. I think @RebelKitty may have given a mention too (edited)
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I gave this place a little shout out, also changed my username on discord to match my username on YouTube A lot of people in r/transguns have been looking for better ways to organize. I think @RebelKitty may have given a mention too (edited)
Skullmaggot 4/21/2023 2:18 AM
Thanks!
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I gave this place a little shout out, also changed my username on discord to match my username on YouTube A lot of people in r/transguns have been looking for better ways to organize. I think @RebelKitty may have given a mention too (edited)
Skullmaggot 4/21/2023 2:48 AM
Also, do you have a particular direction you want to organize? (Usually people have divergent goals despite wanting to bring things together. It'd be helpful, if you haven't done so already, to discuss what you want and then limit your options so that you generate more focus.) I could also chat up people at r/transguns and see what you want to do. I'm largely looking to grow the number of people and connect them to on-the-ground groups and events/protests. Pay attention to events to gather people, and you can use events to network. Other than that, we could coalesce information about authoritarian bills/laws, which politicians push for those bills, what the police are doing, and what local fascists are doing. Figure out ways to impede and reduce their effectiveness and capacity to organize. You could also try mutual aid. (edited)
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@Soupchucker [HOU, TX] Hi, I try to organize people on here. We don’t yet have a sustained presence around where you are, so I’ve instead been looking around at other orgs. What sort of ideas do you have for egalitarianism? Mutual aid? There’s at least active orgs like Food Not Bombs (fnbhouston@riseup.net), Extinction Rebellion (https://www.xrhouston.com/), and DSA (https://houstondsa.org/) near you. (Each of these groups seem to have recent posts.) You could also try YDSA University of Houston (uhydsa@gmail.com) but I don’t think they’re active. There’s also Blahaj Blaster more in the center of Texas. It’s also possible to try to find more local people to join AIF. To try to build up local people, try flyering colleges, doing social media, and networking at protests/events. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/21/2023 3:05 AM
@Sedna Hi, I try to organize the people on here. We don’t have a presence in Nebraska. There is instead the Lincoln DSA (https://www.facebook.com/DSALincolnNE/) and Omaha Food Not Bombs (https://www.facebook.com/groups/6551777294/). There has been only one other person on the server from Nebraska, Plague_DaddyOVO, who became inactive a month ago. It’s still possible to try to build up local people where you are by flyering colleges, doing social media, and networking at protests/events. Is there anything I can help you with?
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@Golda Hi, I try to organize the people on here. AIF needs more infrastructure in Missouri, but in the interim, get in contact with the St. Louis John Brown Gun Club through fromdefilade on here.
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@ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ Hi, I try to organize the people on here. For graphic design (possibly including film), get in contact with usbt (Virginia) and IITONE (Kentucky). For Ohio, get in touch with Cyg.
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@DumpyTheFrog Hi, I try to organize the people on here. For Colorado, try Spinner and egaleagle. I hope to be able to bring in more research of orgs and links later, but hopefully you could find something useful through this calendar: https://www.facebook.com/ColoradoActivistEvents/.
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Skullmaggot 4/21/2023 3:29 AM
@Deleted User Hi, I try to organize people on here. I am completely unaware of what’s available in Serbia. As for the transgender reporting system, there’s no particular organization, just trolling, which is likely better propagated outside of this server on places like Reddit (such as r/anonymous) since there’s a much smaller group in here. If you are looking to plan other disruptive acts and are looking for help, perhaps try #chaos-monkeys.
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serbia has internet access
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Skullmaggot 4/21/2023 3:37 AM
I meant in terms of antifascist organizations. I don't have an idea of the politics or scene. Are you interested in doing things in Serbia?
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serbia has internet access
Skullmaggot 4/21/2023 3:38 AM
Also, I'm sorry, I'm getting to bed soon. I'll see if I can chat tomorrow.
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I meant in terms of antifascist organizations. I don't have an idea of the politics or scene. Are you interested in doing things in Serbia?
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im a passing immegrant here im not enbolved in the local scene
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nor am i really a fan of in person activism im too much of a pussy for that
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@Soupchucker [HOU, TX] Hi, I try to organize people on here. We don’t yet have a sustained presence around where you are, so I’ve instead been looking around at other orgs. What sort of ideas do you have for egalitarianism? Mutual aid? There’s at least active orgs like Food Not Bombs (fnbhouston@riseup.net), Extinction Rebellion (https://www.xrhouston.com/), and DSA (https://houstondsa.org/) near you. (Each of these groups seem to have recent posts.) You could also try YDSA University of Houston (uhydsa@gmail.com) but I don’t think they’re active. There’s also Blahaj Blaster more in the center of Texas. It’s also possible to try to find more local people to join AIF. To try to build up local people, try flyering colleges, doing social media, and networking at protests/events. (edited)
Soupchucker [HOU, TX] 4/21/2023 8:33 AM
Thank you! I’m actually already in the local DSA/SRA chapters, I help when I can - my work schedule has been hectic but it’s been getting better since we got another tech on our team, I’m the Houston lead for a canvassing org called Progressive Victory and I started a separate gun club here made up of those comfortable enough to learn about firearms, etc - I’d love to link up with anyone else in the Houston area interested in going to the range with other like-minded people or who need help with their respective projects
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Also, do you have a particular direction you want to organize? (Usually people have divergent goals despite wanting to bring things together. It'd be helpful, if you haven't done so already, to discuss what you want and then limit your options so that you generate more focus.) I could also chat up people at r/transguns and see what you want to do. I'm largely looking to grow the number of people and connect them to on-the-ground groups and events/protests. Pay attention to events to gather people, and you can use events to network. Other than that, we could coalesce information about authoritarian bills/laws, which politicians push for those bills, what the police are doing, and what local fascists are doing. Figure out ways to impede and reduce their effectiveness and capacity to organize. You could also try mutual aid. (edited)
Blahaj Blaster 4/21/2023 11:52 AM
Tbh I'm looking to grow and educate the armed lgbt community, I feel like a lot of the resources we've had like pink pistols have aged poorly over time so eventually I'd like to get something like that going the right direction hence my youtube channel. For now I figured I'd just try to be more active at local protest and other events so that I can feel out what options I have around me and how I can best help here, people seem to have locked things up as far as getting into those local groups which is understandable due to the current political climate, but I have a feeling once I find a place to actually get out there to something soon I'll have more leverage to get acess to other stuff around me just by meeting people. It would probably have helped had I not deleted pretty much all social media a few years back lol
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I'm armed, trained, and insured with my weapons. A gun club to keep the skills fresh would be great.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/22/2023 2:52 PM
https://workersolidarity.org/ What do we know about these guys? Been looking into them as an alternative to DSA.
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Skullmaggot 4/22/2023 11:48 PM
@catphish82 Hi, I try to organize people on here. For Iowa, I don’t believe we have any infrastructure built there yet. We haven’t had enough people from Iowa to sustain anything. However, there are active DSAs and Food Not Bombs throughout the state: -Cedar Rapids; DSA, http://www.cedarrapidsdsa.org/ -small calendar -Central Iowa; DSA, https://twitter.com/DSM_DSA -Dubuque; DSA, https://www.facebook.com/DBQsocialists -Iowa City; DSA, https://www.iowacitydsa.org/ -Quad Cities; DSA, https://quadcitiesdsa.org/ -Omaha; Food Not Bombs, https://www.facebook.com/groups/6551777294/ -Des Moines; Food Not Bombs, https://www.facebook.com/groups/412643625469552/ It might also be worthwhile to check in with fromdefilade (St. Louis JBGC) to see if they have other contacts in the area. What do you want to do in Iowa? For web development, contact Steve Mike, Casey, and Oliphaunt, or hang out in the #web-development channel.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
https://workersolidarity.org/ What do we know about these guys? Been looking into them as an alternative to DSA.
Skullmaggot 4/22/2023 11:54 PM
Can't tell from their website if they're even still active. But, their facebook seems active: https://www.facebook.com/workersolidarityalliance/
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 2:21 AM
Okay so, I have a semi-weird idea that may or may not work
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…what if we made a sort of uniform? Something to make us stand out more than random guys at an event
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It could be as simple as matching hats or a whole get-up
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preferably something cheap af
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 2:37 AM
maybe even something like a beret with a 3 arrows pin? a beret may give bad vibes since american communists seem to love it so it might just be black or some other color
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Any sort of patches or uniforms can be bad opsec imo, but it could be fun if you have enough people that you don’t have to worry about getting jumped at your vehicle
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Blue collared shirt with AIF patch on the sleeve
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@catphish82 Hi, I try to organize people on here. For Iowa, I don’t believe we have any infrastructure built there yet. We haven’t had enough people from Iowa to sustain anything. However, there are active DSAs and Food Not Bombs throughout the state: -Cedar Rapids; DSA, http://www.cedarrapidsdsa.org/ -small calendar -Central Iowa; DSA, https://twitter.com/DSM_DSA -Dubuque; DSA, https://www.facebook.com/DBQsocialists -Iowa City; DSA, https://www.iowacitydsa.org/ -Quad Cities; DSA, https://quadcitiesdsa.org/ -Omaha; Food Not Bombs, https://www.facebook.com/groups/6551777294/ -Des Moines; Food Not Bombs, https://www.facebook.com/groups/412643625469552/ It might also be worthwhile to check in with fromdefilade (St. Louis JBGC) to see if they have other contacts in the area. What do you want to do in Iowa? For web development, contact Steve Mike, Casey, and Oliphaunt, or hang out in the #web-development channel.
Thank you for the info. We’ve started a small group here in central Iowa. Our first meet up was this month for some range time. Looking to expand though. And by we, I mean a hand full of redditors from the sra group and ironfront group. Gotta start somewhere.
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Any sort of patches or uniforms can be bad opsec imo, but it could be fun if you have enough people that you don’t have to worry about getting jumped at your vehicle
A professional, normal, non-LARPy uniform would be perfect for charity events, community events and so on
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It'll give you recognition, a brand
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 3:13 PM
and something to recognize us by
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Thank you for the info. We’ve started a small group here in central Iowa. Our first meet up was this month for some range time. Looking to expand though. And by we, I mean a hand full of redditors from the sra group and ironfront group. Gotta start somewhere.
Skullmaggot 4/23/2023 5:34 PM
That sounds great. You’re in an SRA group? Are you on social media? Are you interested in other SRA groups or making contacts nationally? To expand, we’ve been having success through flyering colleges, social media, and networking at protests/events.
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Thank you for the info. We’ve started a small group here in central Iowa. Our first meet up was this month for some range time. Looking to expand though. And by we, I mean a hand full of redditors from the sra group and ironfront group. Gotta start somewhere.
NEO SRA here. Hmu if you guys need mutual aid or to see if anyone can roll up to protest or other actions.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
…what if we made a sort of uniform? Something to make us stand out more than random guys at an event
I got it, we can all get aif tattoos on our foreheads.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
…what if we made a sort of uniform? Something to make us stand out more than random guys at an event
What we did at chardon was blackbloc with rainbow bandanas to separate us from HPNGC, STP, and solos that showed up.
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How about a bandana for our necks. Cowboy style. Black with the symbol.
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Easy, doesn't require a whole outfit, easily produced, you can still look rad in bb. (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 10:07 PM
Oooooh yeah
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Maybe a stacked bandana for OPSEC? rainbow covering face, black one with the three stripes on the neck
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/23/2023 10:40 PM
Or a neck gaiter and a baseball cap.
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Added bonus of being able to use earpro if things get loud.
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By the way, that was NOT a call to violence, FBI agents in the chat.
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Or a neck gaiter and a baseball cap.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 10:42 PM
the fascists use that though
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patriot front especially
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Beanies and balaclava fam
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 10:46 PM
I want us to be recognizable at a glance
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Yeah the bandanas not for your face.
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You wear it like a dog would wear a bandana
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That was a way more complicated way of saying to wear it like a necklace lol
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Maybe a stacked bandana for OPSEC? rainbow covering face, black one with the three stripes on the neck
We thought about having rainbow balaclava made for future shit.
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Am I confusing what you were saying?
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the fascists use that though
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/23/2023 11:12 PM
Hence why I have those patches on my hat and vest.
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I don't intend to let them have anything but my fist and maybe some lead.
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Much less a fashion choice.
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I don't intend to let them have anything but my fist and maybe some lead.
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What we did at chardon was blackbloc with rainbow bandanas to separate us from HPNGC, STP, and solos that showed up.
I can dig it.
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That sounds great. You’re in an SRA group? Are you on social media? Are you interested in other SRA groups or making contacts nationally? To expand, we’ve been having success through flyering colleges, social media, and networking at protests/events.
I'm an SRA member, I believe. I am a paid member but haven't really seen much from them. So I posted on Reddit about finding other members in my area to meet up with. We met at the range to get familiar with one another and plan to meet monthly. I am interested in growing this group and being more active with it.
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I'm an SRA member, I believe. I am a paid member but haven't really seen much from them. So I posted on Reddit about finding other members in my area to meet up with. We met at the range to get familiar with one another and plan to meet monthly. I am interested in growing this group and being more active with it.
Skullmaggot 4/24/2023 4:22 PM
SRA has bylaws for its members. I don’t think they can do community defense, but firearms training is the core thing. I have spoken with a few SRA members across the US and Canada, but I don’t know anyone who would be an actual resource to be able to give you instruction about how to proceed. You could try egaleagle with Soup and Rifles SRA (Colorado), or you could get help through the Canadian SRA. They have a Discord: https://discord.gg/NcR346TP.
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SRA has bylaws for its members. I don’t think they can do community defense, but firearms training is the core thing. I have spoken with a few SRA members across the US and Canada, but I don’t know anyone who would be an actual resource to be able to give you instruction about how to proceed. You could try egaleagle with Soup and Rifles SRA (Colorado), or you could get help through the Canadian SRA. They have a Discord: https://discord.gg/NcR346TP.
This is correct. SRA cannot actively support or promote community defense, nor can they participate as an org in any direct action or protest action. They are for organizing training and information and nothing else
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/25/2023 5:46 PM
Frustratingly enough, they seem to be the only org active in my area (Orange County) that I can easily get to. The only other relatively close ones are Food Not Bombs but they're a ways away from where I am and I don't have the resources to start my own chapter.
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There's not even a DSA chapter nearby.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/25/2023 6:21 PM
Did reach out to WSA but still, it's frustrating to finally find something you want to do with your life only to also find that your living situation prevents you from truly engaging with it.
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(Sorry for mini-rant.)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/25/2023 6:41 PM
No that’s fine, it’s something a lot of us struggle with too
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I think a big thing is that there are so many people out there like that, we just have to find them.
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People who so want to do stuff but have no clue how or with whom
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SRA has bylaws for its members. I don’t think they can do community defense, but firearms training is the core thing. I have spoken with a few SRA members across the US and Canada, but I don’t know anyone who would be an actual resource to be able to give you instruction about how to proceed. You could try egaleagle with Soup and Rifles SRA (Colorado), or you could get help through the Canadian SRA. They have a Discord: https://discord.gg/NcR346TP.
I still need to follow up with CO Soup & Rifles, had an interview that I think the forgot about 🙃
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Skullmaggot 4/27/2023 2:26 AM
@Moss Sorry about the wait. I try to organize people on here. We do need to be able to connect people to those taking action on the ground, but it sounds like Ian H. is already connected with you? Have you met knuckles, Felony, and BasedLeftist161? What do you mean you can do anything on the computer, lol? I bet I can come up with something.
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@Matthew Hiya, I try to organize people on here. Have you met other New Jersey people yet? There are also regulars in the #general-chat if you just want to hang out.
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I still need to follow up with CO Soup & Rifles, had an interview that I think the forgot about 🙃
That's probably for the best... they are... well... kinda insular, with a core clique of members who don't really see newer people as valued additions.
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@Moss Sorry about the wait. I try to organize people on here. We do need to be able to connect people to those taking action on the ground, but it sounds like Ian H. is already connected with you? Have you met knuckles, Felony, and BasedLeftist161? What do you mean you can do anything on the computer, lol? I bet I can come up with something.
I know how to do limited graphic design, I am connected with all of them and I do ground work as well
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That's probably for the best... they are... well... kinda insular, with a core clique of members who don't really see newer people as valued additions.
Oh ok good to know, honestly just looking for like minded folks to shoot with and organize if we need community defense. Most of my friends are lefty but not “get your guns back” lefty. Definitely some “sock drawer” pistol owners among them though
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Oh ok good to know, honestly just looking for like minded folks to shoot with and organize if we need community defense. Most of my friends are lefty but not “get your guns back” lefty. Definitely some “sock drawer” pistol owners among them though
There were some decent folk there, so if you do join up with them it'll be really easy to distinguish the reactionary edgelords from the solid members. Just don't get caught up in the drama that gets stirred up by some of them. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/28/2023 2:11 AM
@Emily Hi, I try to organize the people on here. What sort of technologies do you do IT Support for (if you’re comfortable sharing)? Unfortunately, we haven’t had enough of an influx of people to sustain a foothold in Wisconsin yet. Instead, you may be able to connect with people on the ground through one of the following organizations. Wisconsin: https://twitter.com/appletondsa https://madison-dsa.org/ https://milwaukee.dsawi.org/ https://twitter.com/DsaOshkosh -Fox Valley; Food Not Bombs, https://www.facebook.com/FnBFV/?fref=nf -https://madisonsra.org/ There has been another person recently from Wisconsin, DevilTheAutopoet. There are also ways to grow numbers in your area through flyering colleges, social media, and networking at protests/events. Also, would you have any questions?
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I know how to do limited graphic design, I am connected with all of them and I do ground work as well
Skullmaggot 4/28/2023 2:14 AM
For graphic design, refer to usbt and IITONE. usbt is currently out and may be unreachable. Edit: People will probably be making requests for graphic design help in #graphic-designers . There is a graphic design seminar (?) about Krita on 5/8 Monday at 12 PM (noon). (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/28/2023 2:55 AM
The East Bay Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) are democratically building a movement for social change in local communities and politics.
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I'm gonna be moving out of Jersey soon and gonna be in Conneticut, does anybody live in conneticut and have connections with the DSA or does anybody have any connections to conneticut?
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@Emily Hi, I try to organize the people on here. What sort of technologies do you do IT Support for (if you’re comfortable sharing)? Unfortunately, we haven’t had enough of an influx of people to sustain a foothold in Wisconsin yet. Instead, you may be able to connect with people on the ground through one of the following organizations. Wisconsin: https://twitter.com/appletondsa https://madison-dsa.org/ https://milwaukee.dsawi.org/ https://twitter.com/DsaOshkosh -Fox Valley; Food Not Bombs, https://www.facebook.com/FnBFV/?fref=nf -https://madisonsra.org/ There has been another person recently from Wisconsin, DevilTheAutopoet. There are also ways to grow numbers in your area through flyering colleges, social media, and networking at protests/events. Also, would you have any questions?
Most of the stuff I support now is internal, but I also help support Windows, etc. Used to do a fair bit of AV installations add support with my previous job. In my current job, I mostly train new techs on some of the common calls we get, and also somewhat on how to troubleshoot and talk to people.
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Have we ever considered opening up AIF clubs on college campuses?
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Cuz that’s sometime I could do ^
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Have we ever considered opening up AIF clubs on college campuses?
joe hill’s revenge 4/28/2023 9:33 AM
Actually yes
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Has it ever been done?
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Has it ever been done?
joe hill’s revenge 4/28/2023 9:36 AM
It hasn’t been done but @6L3THAL#0663 has been recruiting on campus
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I could do that the start of next semester next year
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Start a chapter
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joe hill’s revenge 4/28/2023 8:26 PM
@OPRacoon is also setting up a ydsa chapter at his high school I think we might encourage iron front students to form ydsa chapters instead of aif chapters directly (edited)
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Student chapters are good for fundraising and free labor
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ye thats me. if anyone has dsa contacts in ma slide in dms plz (edited)
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I'm gonna be moving out of Jersey soon and gonna be in Conneticut, does anybody live in conneticut and have connections with the DSA or does anybody have any connections to conneticut?
Skullmaggot 5/2/2023 3:22 AM
We don't have too much in Connecticut so far as I'm aware, but maybe try New England people like OkraMonk and Oliphaunt for connections. Otherwise you have the following orgs as options: Connecticut: https://twitter.com/connecticutdsa https://twitter.com/wes_ydsa https://hartfordfnb.org/ https://www.ctjbgc.org/ https://twitter.com/sne_sra?lang=en
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Most of the stuff I support now is internal, but I also help support Windows, etc. Used to do a fair bit of AV installations add support with my previous job. In my current job, I mostly train new techs on some of the common calls we get, and also somewhat on how to troubleshoot and talk to people.
Skullmaggot 5/2/2023 3:26 AM
@johnyz715 Hiya, I try to organize people on here. I'm sorry, I'm trying to get to you as fast as I can but I've been a bit bogged down. I'll try to chat with you in the coming days. We do need help with marketing since we haven't been able to call upon anyone with experience yet.
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@johnyz715 Hiya, I try to organize people on here. I'm sorry, I'm trying to get to you as fast as I can but I've been a bit bogged down. I'll try to chat with you in the coming days. We do need help with marketing since we haven't been able to call upon anyone with experience yet.
Nice to meet you, happy to help however I can!
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Nice to meet you, happy to help however I can!
Skullmaggot 5/3/2023 2:20 AM
Hi, we're lacking in effective marketing. We need help expanding to new audiences over the next six months since one of our main sources of people, the subreddit, is drying up. Other sources of new people have been the website, flyers, networking at protests, and word of mouth. We're working with hundreds of people but I want to move it to thousands. I think marketing is one of the more vital things we ought to do, but I don't know how to market (either free or on a budget) and have been running low on time. Right now we have semi-assembled #graphic-designers if you need graphic design help. I'm also looking for help organizing since I'm new to organizing and could use tips. My main roles have been to network and to coalesce information about how to operate/do things to then share it with other people. I'm good for support but we could use more people who are capable of leading. What do you do in the ADL?
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Hi, we're lacking in effective marketing. We need help expanding to new audiences over the next six months since one of our main sources of people, the subreddit, is drying up. Other sources of new people have been the website, flyers, networking at protests, and word of mouth. We're working with hundreds of people but I want to move it to thousands. I think marketing is one of the more vital things we ought to do, but I don't know how to market (either free or on a budget) and have been running low on time. Right now we have semi-assembled #graphic-designers if you need graphic design help. I'm also looking for help organizing since I'm new to organizing and could use tips. My main roles have been to network and to coalesce information about how to operate/do things to then share it with other people. I'm good for support but we could use more people who are capable of leading. What do you do in the ADL?
My primary roles right now are administration, communications, and marketing, although I’m looking to move into a research analyst position soon. I’ll have to sit down and think about this, the main tools we use are Salesforce Marketing Cloud (which won’t work for AIN, the license is super expensive), Wordpress, and Twitter. The flyers on the website are really well done, I think we should try to crank out more of those. What do you mean by the subreddit is drying up? (edited)
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My primary roles right now are administration, communications, and marketing, although I’m looking to move into a research analyst position soon. I’ll have to sit down and think about this, the main tools we use are Salesforce Marketing Cloud (which won’t work for AIN, the license is super expensive), Wordpress, and Twitter. The flyers on the website are really well done, I think we should try to crank out more of those. What do you mean by the subreddit is drying up? (edited)
Skullmaggot 5/3/2023 2:35 AM
The number of people we get from weekly invites on the subreddit is going down. We're reaching saturation.
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I was experimenting with using Dall E to generate imagery similar to the flyers but it’s difficult because the guardrails on it won’t allow it to generate political content
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Skullmaggot 5/3/2023 2:36 AM
The subreddit is also a pretty small source. I want to know how to expand (for free or on a budget). (edited)
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If we can figure out how to make video content, TikTok will be a valuable growth platform
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If we can figure out how to make video content, TikTok will be a valuable growth platform
Skullmaggot 5/3/2023 2:46 AM
Is TikTok a security risk?
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Probably, but I doubt any more so than any other platform aside from the specialized ones like telegram and signal
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Probably, but I doubt any more so than any other platform aside from the specialized ones like telegram and signal
Skullmaggot 5/3/2023 2:54 AM
So I guess we just keep pumping out media and sticking them on our platforms and that'll work?
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@Zannheim Hi, I try to organize people on here. I apologize for getting to you so late. Will you be on the west coast of Oregon? (Please do NOT give the exact location.)
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Probably, but I doubt any more so than any other platform aside from the specialized ones like telegram and signal
Skullmaggot 5/3/2023 2:58 AM
Oh, also, I'm in Northern California as well. I'm not necessarily good for protests but I might be able to do other meetups.
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Hi, we're lacking in effective marketing. We need help expanding to new audiences over the next six months since one of our main sources of people, the subreddit, is drying up. Other sources of new people have been the website, flyers, networking at protests, and word of mouth. We're working with hundreds of people but I want to move it to thousands. I think marketing is one of the more vital things we ought to do, but I don't know how to market (either free or on a budget) and have been running low on time. Right now we have semi-assembled #graphic-designers if you need graphic design help. I'm also looking for help organizing since I'm new to organizing and could use tips. My main roles have been to network and to coalesce information about how to operate/do things to then share it with other people. I'm good for support but we could use more people who are capable of leading. What do you do in the ADL?
Do we have invites and information for the Discord? I'm on a few Discord servers that might have good folks who would want to join, mostly LGBT folks, tbh.
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Do we have invites and information for the Discord? I'm on a few Discord servers that might have good folks who would want to join, mostly LGBT folks, tbh.
Skullmaggot 5/4/2023 2:40 AM
If you click on the server name in the upper left corner, are you able to invite people? If not, you can use this permanent link: https://discord.gg/EXP7fuXy3V. What information are you looking for for the Discord?
Discord is the easiest way to talk over voice, video, and text. Talk, chat, hang out, and stay close with your friends and communities.
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If you click on the server name in the upper left corner, are you able to invite people? If not, you can use this permanent link: https://discord.gg/EXP7fuXy3V. What information are you looking for for the Discord?
I was able to share yesterday, I was just curious what info we'd want stated when sharing? I just mentioned it was an American anti-fascist discord.
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I was able to share yesterday, I was just curious what info we'd want stated when sharing? I just mentioned it was an American anti-fascist discord.
Skullmaggot 5/4/2023 11:32 PM
It depends on how they want to be active. In general we try to connect people to others on the ground for protests and collect information on fascists to inform communities or expose fascists. Online, people might do things like graphic design, the website, or media like videos or the zine. I’m trying to make sure people at least have network connections for things like mutual aid and firearms training. We’d be setting up local chapters, similar to JBGCs, DSAs, or SRAs.
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It depends on how they want to be active. In general we try to connect people to others on the ground for protests and collect information on fascists to inform communities or expose fascists. Online, people might do things like graphic design, the website, or media like videos or the zine. I’m trying to make sure people at least have network connections for things like mutual aid and firearms training. We’d be setting up local chapters, similar to JBGCs, DSAs, or SRAs.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 5/8/2023 9:06 PM
I think we should do this, and I think we should try to collaborate with other groups, though maybe we lean a little more into our Anti-Tankie position to win over a lot of the more centrist Libs and radicalize them
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/18/2023 12:10 AM
@40% of Cops Welcome! There are a good few other anarchists here. Some of our chapters are directly or indirectly involved with mutual aid; Massachusetts distributes medical supplies for example, here in Idaho we're starting to work on helping out existing mutual aid groups.
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Protest organization is a deeply needed skill here; a lot of us are noticing issues but the problem is that we don't really know how to go out and do stuff.
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40% of Cops 5/18/2023 2:02 AM
Hell yeah, well lemme know if I'm needed. Still feeling out this server, but you know where to reach me.
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Hell yeah, well lemme know if I'm needed. Still feeling out this server, but you know where to reach me.
Skullmaggot 5/19/2023 1:14 AM
Hi, I'm usually trying to organize people on the server. I'm trying out some new things, so I apologize for any delay. Would you have anything I can help you with? I had tried to refer you to egaleagle and Spinner for Colorado mutual aid people.
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40% of Cops 5/19/2023 2:20 AM
Well rn our only plans are over a month out. Gonna be throwing a Stop Cop City punk show in late June. We should have some graphics eventually.
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I'll reach out to those peeps, thanks!
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Well rn our only plans are over a month out. Gonna be throwing a Stop Cop City punk show in late June. We should have some graphics eventually.
Skullmaggot 5/19/2023 2:38 AM
Alrighty then. If you have a calendar or access to event or protest information in the area, that would be quite helpful, thank you. (Actually, got a website?) (edited)
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40% of Cops 5/19/2023 3:38 PM
We've got social media if that helps.
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We've got social media if that helps.
Skullmaggot 5/20/2023 12:08 AM
Yep yep. Also, be sure to @ me on here since I bounce around a lot.
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:17 AM
Remember a few years ago when 4chan hijacked the OK hand symbol and it became a white supremacist dog whistle? You know how the Ikea Blåhaj shark became a symbol of trans rights because of the colors? What if we did something similar? What if we took a cultural symbol/object/thing of some kind and culturally encoded it into having underlying antifascist associations? People like symbols, right? If we really want AIF to take off on anything resembling a mainstream level, we should have something that uniquely embodies US. Just a thought.
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:24 AM
It would have to be something innocuous… We would want it to be something common enough that everyone displaying it MIGHT be doing so by happenstance, but also distinct enough that ANYONE sporting it could be doing so with intent. I think this could seriously be a good idea. It doesn’t even need to be limited to AIF necessarily, just something common and socially cool that could be adopted as a symbol of antifascism.
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we do
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the rainbow
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the pink triangle
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we've done it before
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hell, I know that leftist embraced the Goose from untitled goose game as a anti-Pepe meme
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and I, for one, am willing to go:
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:34 AM
Yeah, but both of those have LGBTQ associations above all else! I mean, a physical OBJECT/THING. Not a directly designed symbol meant to immediately represent us, but a piece of the regular operating world adopted to be our own. My go-to example is the blåhaj shark. It wasn’t created with the intent of it being a trans thing, but it was adopted as such because it has the colors of the trans flag. Now, when people see blåhaj in memes/IRL, there’s a level of uncertainty whether the originator simply likes the stuffed shark, or is using it as a pro-trans symbol. We need something like that. We need something simple and physical that a lot of people have/do as it is. We don’t want it to be so cryptic that no regular people use it, but also want it to be specific enough that whenever someone sees it they wonder if the person is AIF/antifascist.
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goose is generally leftist.
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least in the net circles I've seen
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sides, you've met a goose? (edited)
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I have proposed using a Krampus as a anti-fash symbol
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both due to what the character represents and its history
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if ya don't know, during the Nazi seize of power, the Krampus figure and associated holidays (Krampusnacht(sp?)) were banned on grounds of "degeneracy" but the figure of Krampus is one who punishes those who get away with bad deeds
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:43 AM
Nah! I don’t mean a symbol that is explicitly leftist directly! I mean we should adopt a piece of pop-culture as our own. I want something specific enough that ANYONE using it MIGHT be left-leaning, but public enough that the majority of people who do are probably doing so unintentionally.
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Krampus is a good idea!
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That’s a fantastic idea actually! It’s a culturally rooted symbol that a LOT of people like and it ends up on shirts and mugs and shit yearly! It’s a symbol that even people who aren’t involved in politics feel a connection to! The only potential drawback is that it’s limited to the holiday season, so the time in which it would be discreet to share would be in November and December. But that’s basically what I mean! And I do that Krampus would still be a massive win if it became a Leftist-affiliated symbol.
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plus, historical and religious context, St Nick is the Saint of the poor, thieves, children, the destitute, prostitutes and beggers. Make sense Krampus would be the inverse in the sense of punishing those who are at risk of abusing those types of people imo
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:47 AM
My local mall has gotten filled with Krampus shit these past few years.
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to be fair, it was a matter of time
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the US has a decent german or german related population and those with a higher german pop were likely to bring Krampus over
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abet now, the character is seen here in the states as either scary as shit or a trickster or a villain. the later is really annoying in that, for lack of terms, Krampus isn't really a villain
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more like, kinda a halloween counterpart for Alpine Germany
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:50 AM
Krampus would work even deeper, because it’s a European folk traditional thing; so reclaiming it as an anti-hate symbol would have the added bite of taking the culture that fascists venerate and using it against them.
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true
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although the nazis did ban Krampus
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and that ban held up til the 50s
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:50 AM
That just makes it better
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A piece of Germanic folklore that the Nazis banned, that became a modern symbol associated with the largest holiday in America? That actually sounds like a really good symbol!
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And the mythology of Krampus punishing the wicked, like you said
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that said, Krampus' design is...well intentionally scary as shit
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:57 AM
True… but in a way which has made him embraced by modern goths and alt-types, along with some regular people who find themselves connected to the legends in some way.
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part because of a weird hybrid pagan and christain belief
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hence the Christmas Devil as one of his titles
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 1:59 AM
We wouldn’t need something adored by Christians everywhere, just something popular enough that uninvolved people would use it as what it is without thinking twice about it.
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And, my Christian family loves the Krampus lore and watches the Michael Dougherty movie every year. I think it would largely be only the fundamentalists who would be seriously put-of by Krampus as a symbol; and even then, the reach of it would be far enough that it would still be all over the place regardless.
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yeah, but the problem is these fundies are crazy enough to be loud and crafty enough to abuse their positions
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these are the assholes who got Roe illegit overturned
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provided, there's like a million cases rn to challenge Dobbs
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and the courts gonna have to touch them at some point
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Dandelion Bodies 6/9/2023 2:26 AM
And? I don’t see how that relates to using Krampus as a leftist symbol
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Enough regular people would already be using it anyway, so the loud minority of Christian fundamentalists wouldn’t really matter in the grand scope of things. I think you were really onto something at the start there when you first brought it up: Krampus is going nowhere. He’s striking and iconic. He’s immediately recognizable, has a history of punishing the wicked, is on lots of items for a few months of the year, and has ties to Germanic folklore that Nazis don’t like.
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Plus the time of the year when he’s relevant is Christmas. Krampus is literally most socially visible during a time of the year often associated with Christianity. I don’t think most moderate Christians would be upset by him, but the kinds who are currently would be even more-so if they thought each display of him might have leftist undertones to it.
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I think that would be a really good card to have in our deck! And I think that was a fantastic suggestion to what I had brought up!
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joe hill’s revenge 6/19/2023 10:44 PM
@junraveled hello, this is the channel where we integrate new members. What kind of work were you hoping to do with us?
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Skullmaggot 6/26/2023 12:33 AM
I'll be returning to this function soon. I've been trying to get the core tracking fascists project rolling, and I intend to integrate most people into it as soon as I can.
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Skullmaggot 7/5/2023 3:36 AM
@Lucy Cordelia Hiya, I try to organize people on here. Have you tried r/transguns and user Blahaj Blaster?
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joe hill’s revenge 7/20/2023 9:29 PM
@DeepSouth [ATL, GA] welcome to AIF, this is the channel where we attempt to organize new members
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/20/2023 9:29 PM
Thank you
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
Thank you
joe hill’s revenge 7/20/2023 9:30 PM
we have general membership meetings every two weeks
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next one is this sunday
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can you attend?
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/20/2023 9:30 PM
I believe so, I'm done with church at around 1
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joe hill’s revenge 7/20/2023 9:30 PM
@Goddoll this is the channel where we attempt to organize new members
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@Kow hello this is the server where we try to organize new members
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
I believe so, I'm done with church at around 1
joe hill’s revenge 7/20/2023 9:33 PM
OK, see u there! Is there anything you'd like to discuss?
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/20/2023 9:33 PM
Yes, actually,
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What are the requirements for starting an AIF chapter?
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Just out of curiosity.
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What are the requirements for starting an AIF chapter?
joe hill’s revenge 7/20/2023 9:35 PM
The same as joining AA
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That is, if you intend to start a chapter you've just self selected to organize it
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Like how in AA the intention to stop drinking is enough
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/20/2023 9:36 PM
I see.
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joe hill’s revenge 7/20/2023 9:36 PM
We have a library of flyers, just print some out and put them up and bam you're in business
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/20/2023 9:36 PM
Unfortunately, I can't really put up flyers in my county.
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A few years ago, when I was a baby leftist I put some flyers for the AIF up (I didn't really know what the AIF was but I thought they looked cool) and I got reported to the marshals office
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It sounds silly, but I was kinda stupid at the time.
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But I can definitely put flyers up in other counties, I'm in Atlanta a lot.
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It sounds stupid, I know.
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joe hill’s revenge
@Kow hello this is the server where we try to organize new members
Thanka!
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
A few years ago, when I was a baby leftist I put some flyers for the AIF up (I didn't really know what the AIF was but I thought they looked cool) and I got reported to the marshals office
joe hill’s revenge 7/20/2023 9:45 PM
if you can't put up flyers, can you do other low level stuff?
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what kind of network do you have locally?
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Thanka!
joe hill’s revenge 7/20/2023 9:46 PM
we are having a meeting this sunday at 2PM eastern time can u join?
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if you can't put up flyers, can you do other low level stuff?
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/20/2023 9:50 PM
Of course, I know a few folks who would probably be interested. I can do stuff like banner drops, non-AIF stickering and flyering, and tons of mutual aid stuff too.
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I also am in a really progressive church too, to add on top of that.
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Of course, I know a few folks who would probably be interested. I can do stuff like banner drops, non-AIF stickering and flyering, and tons of mutual aid stuff too.
joe hill’s revenge 7/21/2023 12:48 AM
So it sounds like your first step is to host a party
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Basically get some friends over with snacks, soda and pitch them on aif like Jesse does in the above scene
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joe hill’s revenge
we are having a meeting this sunday at 2PM eastern time can u join?
I think so
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Basically get some friends over with snacks, soda and pitch them on aif like Jesse does in the above scene
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/21/2023 11:17 AM
I don't have any friends 😭
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
I don't have any friends 😭
joe hill’s revenge 7/21/2023 11:40 AM
I thought u said u had a church and knew folks?
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Kow
I think so
joe hill’s revenge 7/21/2023 11:40 AM
Cool
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joe hill’s revenge
I thought u said u had a church and knew folks?
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/21/2023 11:42 AM
I know people, but I'm not friends with them.
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joe hill’s revenge 7/21/2023 11:45 AM
U can still do what Jesse did
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/21/2023 11:47 AM
Will do, I'll actually DM someone I know on discord who's in GA later today
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
Will do, I'll actually DM someone I know on discord who's in GA later today
joe hill’s revenge 7/21/2023 12:34 PM
Let us know how it goes
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/21/2023 1:30 PM
Just sent the DM.
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
Just sent the DM.
joe hill’s revenge 7/21/2023 3:53 PM
Dope
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/21/2023 9:21 PM
I got ghosted 😭
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joe hill’s revenge 7/21/2023 9:40 PM
It’s only been a few hours
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/21/2023 9:40 PM
Yes but it shows the person I dmed is online
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joe hill’s revenge 7/21/2023 9:40 PM
Oh that sucks
9:41 PM
In the meantime what would you like to do with yr aif chapter?
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/21/2023 9:41 PM
Should I create a Discord server?
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joe hill’s revenge 7/22/2023 2:15 AM
Not yet. Right now I recommend you plan and wait for responses
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Also just flyer in Atlanta and join the #flyer-drive
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 7/22/2023 2:41 AM
Will do
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
joe hill’s revenge 7/23/2023 3:26 PM
We should collect all of these types of manuals
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I have another on organizing a militia
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str8 up demon 7/23/2023 3:26 PM
well then
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i got plenty
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want me to dump?
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@joe hill’s revenge
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joe hill’s revenge 7/23/2023 3:32 PM
Yes
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I have another on organizing a militia
Is it PM 8-94 How to Start and Train a Militia Unit?
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That one is an interesting read I’ll send it, probably not very practical rn though https://constitution.org/1-Activism/mil/doc/How_to_Start_&_Train_a_Militia_Unit--PM_8--94.pdf
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That one is an interesting read I’ll send it, probably not very practical rn though https://constitution.org/1-Activism/mil/doc/How_to_Start_&_Train_a_Militia_Unit--PM_8--94.pdf
joe hill’s revenge 7/29/2023 6:32 PM
Yes
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Skullmaggot 8/4/2023 2:33 AM
@not_ann @bowango @spacewolf05 @DiscleavingNoise @StandardRatesApply @Aces high @Farren @Norsu Hi, I'm just poking around to see if people in California would like to connect to American Progressive Alliance (electoral action, unions). They are an offshoot of Progressive Victory and may be able to connect you to others on the ground in California.
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joe hill’s revenge 8/4/2023 2:50 AM
@TrunkTalk this is the channel where we on board new people. I saw your impressive resume and I wanted to pick your brain about how we can get aif working better. We are a new org and we need people like you!
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@not_ann @bowango @spacewolf05 @DiscleavingNoise @StandardRatesApply @Aces high @Farren @Norsu Hi, I'm just poking around to see if people in California would like to connect to American Progressive Alliance (electoral action, unions). They are an offshoot of Progressive Victory and may be able to connect you to others on the ground in California.
I looked up PV and they seem pretty legit, wouldn't hurt build more connections I suppose.
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str8 up demon 8/4/2023 10:17 AM
@bowango
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i wouldnt join them
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i was an ex state lead for minnesota in their group
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they arent ran democratically and they recently demoted and fired a few of their payed admins
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its severely affected onboarding among other things and as far as im concerned they havent found replacements
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if you want more info ask asianadrian or M0des
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they were in PV as well
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they were given the middle finger and thrown under the bus being accused of alot of BS
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they were given the middle finger and thrown under the bus being accused of alot of BS
Oh that doesn't sound very cool
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Fyi American Progressive Alliance (APA) is an independent group unrelated to PV now (edited)
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We don’t have ties anymore
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Won’t bother u with the long story.
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APA working on electoral stuff tho yeh. Most established regions are California and New Jersey right now but we’re working on more like Utah and Georgia, and even if your region isn’t started yet we’re still doing stuff in other places like Ohio (edited)
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Also if you wanna work on trans and lbgt rights stuff as they flee the red states run by fash I have stuff for u (edited)
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Basically like Florida💀
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We’re talking like
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More mellow Wallenberg underground railroad stuff (edited)
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str8 up demon 8/4/2023 7:51 PM
im working with APA as well for the minnesota side of things
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Fyi American Progressive Alliance (APA) is an independent group unrelated to PV now (edited)
Skullmaggot 8/5/2023 2:49 AM
Sorry, I guess I really shouldn’t say you’re an offshoot. Do you have a website for APA?
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Not yet but we're about to make it. We're finalizing plans about that atm.
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Social media content too, fun times.
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Can verify
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Also of note, we had a presence at the LB pride events today
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joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 8:48 PM
@Monke Mountgomerierium Moker hello, this is the channel where we onboard new members
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 8:59 PM
right
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how does membership work here
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joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:33 PM
It’s a do-ocracy
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So if you do stuff, people will help you out
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If you want I can give you a list of ongoing projects so you know what might interest you
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 9:41 PM
sure
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anything new england based
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joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:48 PM
Yea we have a New England chapter #massachusetts
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@OkraMonk
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Idk if New England has its own social media yet
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 9:48 PM
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i dont havce permissions
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker
Click to see attachment 🖼️
joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:49 PM
U need the regional #role-selection
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Northeast
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 9:49 PM
oh alright
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joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:51 PM
We also have the following online projects: Physical fitness accountability #physical-fitness-and-training #chaos-monkeys for disreputing fash organization and doxxing (our core project) #mutual-aid for supporting in need group members (early phase)
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#graphic-designers #filmmakers (early phase) #zine for writing
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And probably some others
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The best way to get involved is just to post about what interests you and make friends
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joe hill’s revenge
#graphic-designers #filmmakers (early phase) #zine for writing
Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 9:53 PM
yea i was looking into the graphic designs channel and i've noticed some decommunized art
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im just wondering like
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joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:53 PM
We are against authoritarian leftism
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 9:53 PM
does the Iron Front have any official idealogy or is it -anti communist -anti fascist -anti monarchy
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like what i'd expect
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does the Iron Front have any official idealogy or is it -anti communist -anti fascist -anti monarchy
joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:53 PM
Anti Stalinist
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Anti Stalinist
Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 9:53 PM
thanks for clarifying
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joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:53 PM
But we have lots of anarchist and non Stalin marxist members
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I’m probably the most tankie
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General big tent anti-authoritarian is the best way I can describe it
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 9:54 PM
alright thanks
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joe hill’s revenge
I’m probably the most tankie
You sure about that Joe?
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You sure about that Joe?
joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:54 PM
One of
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If you're a tankie then I'm a neocon (edited)
9:55 PM
You're not one of the most tankie on the server
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joe hill’s revenge 8/21/2023 9:55 PM
I’m pretty hardline on anti imperialism
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That doesn't make one a tankie
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A surefire sign of a tankie is condemning 1 side of imperialism while excusing the other. Ie; western and Eastern imperialism
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I haven't seen you do that
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/21/2023 10:01 PM
we'll get idealogical perfection once we have the powers to manifest our ideas into reality i feel
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it doesnt matter bickering now as we dont have the powers to act
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Fair enough
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joe hill’s revenge 8/23/2023 10:33 AM
@Zhalomer this is where we organize new members
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joe hill’s revenge 8/24/2023 8:48 PM
@Some Random Demi Frog hey this is where we onboard new members
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joe hill’s revenge
@Some Random Demi Frog hey this is where we onboard new members
Some Random Demi Frog 8/24/2023 8:49 PM
Cool, I was just looking over the graphic designs.
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Some Random Demi Frog
Cool, I was just looking over the graphic designs.
joe hill’s revenge 8/24/2023 8:49 PM
Good anything else your into?
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Good anything else your into?
Some Random Demi Frog 8/24/2023 8:50 PM
Mostly volunteer work.
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joe hill’s revenge 8/24/2023 8:50 PM
@Harvey Sherman this is where we onboard new members
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Some Random Demi Frog
Mostly volunteer work.
joe hill’s revenge 8/24/2023 8:50 PM
Brb
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Some Random Demi Frog 8/24/2023 8:50 PM
K
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Harvey Sherman 8/24/2023 9:07 PM
Glad to be here
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joe hill’s revenge 8/24/2023 9:21 PM
You said that you like to OSINT?
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Harvey Sherman 8/25/2023 12:50 AM
I do, yes
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I’m obsessed with finding information
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joe hill’s revenge 8/25/2023 3:03 AM
Then u should check out #chaos-monkeys
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joe hill’s revenge 8/27/2023 8:35 AM
@Some Random Demi Frog u make music?
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@Some Random Demi Frog u make music?
Some Random Demi Frog 8/27/2023 8:38 AM
Not as much anymore but yeah, mostly samples or loops I'll likely never use.
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joe hill’s revenge 8/27/2023 11:28 AM
We always need musician
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joe hill’s revenge 8/30/2023 1:05 PM
@Harvey Sherman @Some Random Demi Frog @Zhalomer @Monke Mountgomerierium Moker would you guys be available for an onboarding meeting in the voice chat later?
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Monke Mountgomerierium Moker 8/30/2023 1:48 PM
i might
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joe hill’s revenge 8/30/2023 2:27 PM
What time works for you
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@Harvey Sherman @Some Random Demi Frog @Zhalomer @Monke Mountgomerierium Moker would you guys be available for an onboarding meeting in the voice chat later?
Some Random Demi Frog 8/31/2023 11:56 AM
Sorry, been busy with stuff what works for you?
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Some Random Demi Frog
Sorry, been busy with stuff what works for you?
joe hill’s revenge 8/31/2023 1:08 PM
This weekend
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This weekend
Some Random Demi Frog 8/31/2023 1:08 PM
Saturday or Sunday? I have a dnd sesh on Saturday.
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joe hill’s revenge 8/31/2023 1:08 PM
Sunday
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Sunday
Some Random Demi Frog 8/31/2023 1:09 PM
Sure, whatever time works for you I got nothing going on.
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joe hill’s revenge 8/31/2023 1:11 PM
Ok 5 pm est
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What’s yr tomezone
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joe hill’s revenge
Ok 5 pm est
Some Random Demi Frog 9/2/2023 5:14 AM
So about 2pm for me (edited)
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What’s yr tomezone
Some Random Demi Frog 9/2/2023 5:14 AM
PST
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joe hill’s revenge 9/2/2023 10:54 AM
I just realized I have work tomorrow can u do Monday
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I just realized I have work tomorrow can u do Monday
Some Random Demi Frog 9/3/2023 7:01 AM
I'm not sure.
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joe hill’s revenge 9/4/2023 4:16 PM
@JacobK @Panther115 @𝔉𝔞𝔯𝔞𝔡𝔞𝔶 welcome to aif this is where we incorporate new people to the group are you interested in any specific projects
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We also have the following online projects: Physical fitness accountability #physical-fitness-and-training #chaos-monkeys for disreputing fash organization and doxxing (our core project) #mutual-aid for supporting in need group members (early phase)
Probably these 3 projects
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@JacobK @Panther115 @𝔉𝔞𝔯𝔞𝔡𝔞𝔶 welcome to aif this is where we incorporate new people to the group are you interested in any specific projects
𝔉𝔞𝔯𝔞𝔡𝔞𝔶 9/4/2023 4:33 PM
What kind of projects are there
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Panther115 9/4/2023 4:35 PM
#firearms #physical-fitness-and-training #political-scientists are up my alley. I'm also a veteran, so #veterans seems pretty good.
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joe hill’s revenge 9/4/2023 5:23 PM
@Stolas_of_the_Stars runs fitness
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#firearms #physical-fitness-and-training #political-scientists are up my alley. I'm also a veteran, so #veterans seems pretty good.
Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/4/2023 5:50 PM
Yes. @joe hill’s revenge and I have been working on developing community fitness programs and fitness accountability groups. Get people moving and improving their endurance and strength.
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Yes. @joe hill’s revenge and I have been working on developing community fitness programs and fitness accountability groups. Get people moving and improving their endurance and strength.
What is your 2 mile time
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Stolas_of_the_Stars 9/4/2023 5:53 PM
Me? I run a sub 10 min mile. Nothing earth shattering. But OK for my age. Leisurely 24 minutes, going all out around 18 or so. (edited)
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I'd like to get it down to 7-8 minute miles. We'll see velocity seems to be the first thing that goes with age.
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@Stolas_of_the_Stars that's pretty sweet. I'm just looking to have political conversations and be more active with people I share ideals with.
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joe hill’s revenge 9/5/2023 2:56 PM
AIF has several ongoing roles on this server and IRL that we need volunteers for, alongside our channels: -Our core project, of course is monitoring, tracking and countering fascist activities. All of our members engage in this project, to one degree or another even if that just means countersignaling fascists online. Check out the channel folder ISpyFascism for more information, you can also check out #chaos-monkeys and #countermeasures -We also need people to work as activists and mobilizers, these are people who help to organize projects on the server or engage in IRL work like starting chapters and doing individual flyering. #flyers-and-stickers #flyer-drive -We also need people to help with organizing mutual aid projects, these projects include paying for members to attend protests and IRL events, networking with disaster relief issues and providing targetted assistance to individual members. #mutual-aid -local organizer; gain information about local antifascist connections and efforts #flyer-drive #prepping -vetters; interview people for gaining access to various spaces
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joe hill’s revenge 9/5/2023 3:11 PM
@ADMIN could someone please pin my above post to refer members 2?
WojtektheBear pinned a message to this channel. 9/5/2023 3:11 PM
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joe hill’s revenge 9/5/2023 3:12 PM
Thx
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joe hill’s revenge 9/7/2023 11:55 AM
@Elyna this is where we organize new members (edited)
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Sounds good
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joe hill’s revenge 9/7/2023 1:29 PM
See the pinned messages
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But do u have any contacts in Ireland
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