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Engineer here (buildin' a sentry)! If you weld, cut wood, 3d print, or tinker, we'll be glad to have you here. We'll have some projects coming soon about building necessary equipment for protesting and furthering this movement.
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Skullmaggot 6/29/2022 11:53 PM
@Farren What exactly needs engineering for protests? Shields?
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@Farren What exactly needs engineering for protests? Shields?
Sure, that or if you don't have access to masks that can filter tear gas, there's some STLs for it. I figured we have a chat for it in case people want to discuss things they can build to help protest or are otherwise useful
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Maybe how to make flags for marching, how to make stencils
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Skullmaggot 6/29/2022 11:56 PM
@Farren That's good. What's STLs?
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@Farren That's good. What's STLs?
a file format for 3d printers
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Skullmaggot 6/29/2022 11:56 PM
K, gotcha
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Sure, that or if you don't have access to masks that can filter tear gas, there's some STLs for it. I figured we have a chat for it in case people want to discuss things they can build to help protest or are otherwise useful
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 3:48 AM
I would be very interested in the tear gas filtration, given that Phoenix cops have this lovely habit of gassing protesters without warning (happened last Friday).
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If y'all want I can go do some research on it. Don't have access to tear gas to test any designs or theories but should be able to pull together some existing info/projects
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 4:16 AM
A spike strip (spike belt, traffic spikes, tire shredders, stingers, stop sticks, Stinger or formally known as a tire deflation device) is a device or incident weapon used to impede or stop the movement of wheeled vehicles by puncturing their tires. Generally, the strip is composed of a collection of 35-to-75-millimetre-long (1+1⁄2 to 3 in) met...
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I would be very interested in the tear gas filtration, given that Phoenix cops have this lovely habit of gassing protesters without warning (happened last Friday).
I'm on mobile so idk how clear the post above this one looks. I'd like to make one with activated charcoal to really scrub the air (edited)
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Some of these are neat
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Idk about building that. Might go against some laws
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Hmmm true
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Skullmaggot
@Farren What exactly needs engineering for protests? Shields?
austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 11:49 AM
If you put white board material on top of the shield it doubles as a sign. Which both helps with messaging and plausible deniability.
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austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 11:51 AM
This isn't an engineering thing, but from what I've seen others mention online is that spike strips or caltrops aren't as effective as trying to get your own cars to provide a wall of steel around a group. If you take the wheels off a car that may be trying to ram protesters, you've still got a lot of momentum and now the driver has completely lost control.
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:07 PM
@austinwiltshire Yeah, I was reading on how vehicles could be used to ram protesters, and I wanted to start thinking about solutions to that.
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Well ideally the solution is police properly protecting demonstrations but unfortunately that doesn't seem likely
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Idk about building that. Might go against some laws
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 12:48 PM
You can buy caltrops online
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Well ideally the solution is police properly protecting demonstrations but unfortunately that doesn't seem likely
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 12:49 PM
Nah we're leftists in America, cops are gonna be protecting the RW counter-protesters bc their friends are all in those groups.
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additionally, their role tends to devolve swiftly into "quell unrest and stop dissidents" rather than "protect and serve" - unless it's a rw demonstration like Braakinthesaddle said haha
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WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 4:51 PM
This channel fucking rules
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☆ on shield hiatus ☆ A team of volunteers supplying free shit to protestors and community members. We do not do interviews.
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If you guys have access to more materials than a book I’d check these guys out
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Good find
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WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 5:07 PM
Oh I’ve been wanting a shield crew for a while, things aren’t as spicy or locally organized in MA
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 11:17 PM
@birb Heya! That's a lot of skills! You could talk to @Farren about 3D modeling stuff.
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@birb I am noting that you have printers.
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@birb Heya! That's a lot of skills! You could talk to @Farren about 3D modeling stuff.
I don't trust people touching my stuff and I'm cheap, so I just learn to do all the things.
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I don't trust people touching my stuff and I'm cheap, so I just learn to do all the things.
Heck yeah! Nobody touch me our my delicious resin!
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Braakinthesaddle
You can buy caltrops online
I've been day dreaming at my job about designing a cheval de frise or a Czech hedgehog of sorts. Something that 2-4 people can carry the equipment for in backpacks and get set up. 4 teams can put down 4 of them to block off a street for safety. It's perhaps illegal and not as good as a vehicle roadblock, but it'll work for protecting against a fascist's car (edited)
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Something like these. If a car hits it, it'll turn over and lift the car or get it stuck in its geometry The problem comes in its strength
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Angle iron is widely available in many sizes.
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Something like these. If a car hits it, it'll turn over and lift the car or get it stuck in its geometry The problem comes in its strength
I like this idea. This is a tough design problem. In designing them you will have to sacrifice strength in favor of portability or vice versa. Either way, some prototyping is required.. but maybe the solution is not designing for portability. Maybe creating a version that can be towed in a compact car and then assembled in place is the way to go.
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I like this idea. This is a tough design problem. In designing them you will have to sacrifice strength in favor of portability or vice versa. Either way, some prototyping is required.. but maybe the solution is not designing for portability. Maybe creating a version that can be towed in a compact car and then assembled in place is the way to go.
That's not a bad idea either. The issue is setting it up. A lot of ideation and testing will need to be done. I remember pictures of people assemble them in streets during the siege of Lviv
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That's not a bad idea either. The issue is setting it up. A lot of ideation and testing will need to be done. I remember pictures of people assemble them in streets during the siege of Lviv
Interesting. I wonder what they were using. On another note, I remember seeing seamstresses in Ukraine creating camouflage netting and what not as well. Might be a good idea to take some pages out of their book.
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Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 11:53 AM
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Marusya
Interesting. I wonder what they were using. On another note, I remember seeing seamstresses in Ukraine creating camouflage netting and what not as well. Might be a good idea to take some pages out of their book.
In our case PPE might be more relevant than camo but surely any experience with textiles is needed!
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Uniform is something I do want to consider should we go into combat heavy protests Under armor undershirts are a must. Details like that may need to be discussed on another protest specific thread
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That's not a bad idea either. The issue is setting it up. A lot of ideation and testing will need to be done. I remember pictures of people assemble them in streets during the siege of Lviv
If it's being used to stop civilian vehicles and portability is wanted, possibly something made of 4x4 or 4x6 may be enough to tangle up a vehicle or dissuade them from approaching. Also more readily available and lighter than the steel so could be packed in by people. Quick estimate of a 4x6 build would weight 150 lbs vs 400 lbs of a steel one. Anyone have a car they want to ram into one if I build it.. for testing purposes of course
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That's not a bad idea either. The issue is setting it up. A lot of ideation and testing will need to be done. I remember pictures of people assemble them in streets during the siege of Lviv
I remember an article said they dragged them out of the ww2 museum to use again (edited)
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Simple flag pole. 8 foot stair railing and some fixtures. Cost ya $40 and anyone with a drill can make it. (Fixture close up on right) Hold it parallel to the ground with 1 or 2 others and can be used as a barricade.
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Doctor Eval 7/2/2022 4:07 PM
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Simple flag pole. 8 foot stair railing and some fixtures. Cost ya $40 and anyone with a drill can make it. (Fixture close up on right) Hold it parallel to the ground with 1 or 2 others and can be used as a barricade.
I have questions, but all of them are about the bird mask lol
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Doctor Eval 7/2/2022 4:49 PM
I'm pretty sure I know how to train yolov5 to detect fascists in a crowd
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I'm pretty sure I know how to train yolov5 to detect fascists in a crowd
Using what identifiers? Patriot Front would be easy given that they wear the same thing.
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Using what identifiers? Patriot Front would be easy given that they wear the same thing.
Doctor Eval 7/3/2022 9:53 PM
I'm pretty sure that should be possible to train an algorithm like YOLO on a data set of pictures of fascists, and it would be able to identify fashy looking people in a crowd
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I'm pretty sure that should be possible to train an algorithm like YOLO on a data set of pictures of fascists, and it would be able to identify fashy looking people in a crowd
Perhaps we ought to start collecting images.
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RIP any red hat
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Doctor Eval 7/3/2022 10:18 PM
gonna train it on the data and basically create a white man detector
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We should start a data set on kaggle
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Doctor Eval 7/3/2022 10:55 PM
ok but like seriously though, send me pics of fascists, I started a dataset
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there has to be an s3 bucket or something somewhere
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Send it directly to your pm?
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File type?
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Doctor Eval 7/3/2022 11:52 PM
.zip with images would be great
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any image type will do, no videos please
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Skullmaggot 7/6/2022 4:18 AM
@Farren Yeah! I was wondering if something so heavy as a hedgehog was a good idea, though.
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@Farren Also, it designing anything, sometimes a bluff is enough. Edit: Actually, scratch that. People would fucking die. (edited)
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Anyone know any financially viable way to speed up the sand blasting process without risking damage to the items? (have a number of steel (and some aluminum) bike frames to do.
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Skullmaggot 7/7/2022 7:29 PM
Can we use manholes or any local street structures in any way to increase the usability of Czech hedgehogs/vehicle barricades? Can’t necessarily affix things to asphalt, but maybe we can have leverage with a manhole?
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Anyone know any financially viable way to speed up the sand blasting process without risking damage to the items? (have a number of steel (and some aluminum) bike frames to do.
Acid.
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Aircraft stripper works very well
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@Doctor Eval The classification software ought to be able to distinguish at minimum the following groups: "law enforcement", "military", "civilians", and "fascists". But that is not enough, because as Shinzo Abe's assassin has demonstrated it is quite easy to walk up in plain clothes with intent to cause harm. We would also need to identify behavior and mannerisms: https://github.com/aarac/DeepBehavior
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@Doctor Eval The classification software ought to be able to distinguish at minimum the following groups: "law enforcement", "military", "civilians", and "fascists". But that is not enough, because as Shinzo Abe's assassin has demonstrated it is quite easy to walk up in plain clothes with intent to cause harm. We would also need to identify behavior and mannerisms: https://github.com/aarac/DeepBehavior
Doctor Eval 7/8/2022 8:25 AM
If anybody here is interested in helping to collect and annotate images in order to create a Data set that can be used to do this kind of AI identification, please DM me
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Training the model is the easy part. Collecting up the images and annotating them is the hard part
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Yeah I'll help where I can. I am quite busy.
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@Doctor Eval Have you found an annotation tool for yolov5?
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@Doctor Eval Have you found an annotation tool for yolov5?
Doctor Eval 7/8/2022 8:40 AM
roboflow (edited)
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Nice, it's free?
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Casey
Nice, it's free?
Doctor Eval 7/8/2022 8:41 AM
for hobbyists, yeah
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Dope
Doctor Eval 7/8/2022 8:41 AM
I'm working on labeling a wildlife dataset for my trail cameras
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I have a camera 📷 I have computer 💻 💥 UNH 💥 surveillance state 🖊🍍 🍎 🖊
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Oh neat so it's a web app
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Doctor Eval 7/8/2022 8:43 AM
yessir
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I run Ubuntu so wasn't sure if they had images for my machine
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Doctor Eval 7/8/2022 8:44 AM
docker my dude
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Skullmaggot 7/8/2022 1:22 PM
@Doctor Eval I’m always interested in developing capabilities. If you need to find skills, I can get you people.
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@Doctor Eval I’m always interested in developing capabilities. If you need to find skills, I can get you people.
Doctor Eval 7/8/2022 1:45 PM
I gots hella capabilities - what I need is a team of motivated people to help me parallelize
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Skullmaggot 7/8/2022 1:48 PM
@Doctor Eval Okay. Could you describe specific tasks you need help with? I am setting up a job board channel for the Discord as well as meeting with individual people who've posted their skills on their introductions, and I also put out "help wanted" signs on the subreddit.
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@Doctor Eval I will also be trying to focus on solid people.
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 8:55 AM
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1$ foam board air frame
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Foam board. Elmer's glue Packing tape
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
WojtektheBear 7/12/2022 9:44 AM
What are the capabilities of this thing?
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 9:44 AM
Currently? Nothing lol. Needs electronics
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WojtektheBear 7/12/2022 9:44 AM
Ah lol I know nothing about drones haha
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 9:46 AM
I'm going to throw some electronics on it, and hopefully it should be able to fly, it will be easy to fly, and it will be efficient enough to carry a small payload (camera) for up to maybe 30 min?
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I'm going to throw some electronics on it, and hopefully it should be able to fly, it will be easy to fly, and it will be efficient enough to carry a small payload (camera) for up to maybe 30 min?
Hm, is that design tested to be safe around soft or mild winds?
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Hm, is that design tested to be safe around soft or mild winds?
Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 11:07 AM
Work in progress, but everything I've seen about this simple design says it's really stable and easy to operate, even in 5-10mph winds (edited)
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Yeah that's my main concern after seeing hobbyists spend so much time on rc planes just for them to nosedive at a small breeze lol (edited)
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Yeah that's my main concern after seeing hobbyists spend so much time on rc planes just for them to nosedive at a small breeze lol (edited)
Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 11:42 AM
I'm going for cheap, easy to make, easy to fly, easy to replace
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these are intel drones, intended to be lost in operation if necessary. They won't have any special hardware, software, or capabilities
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100% understandable
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Alibaba servos and tech is the play?
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 11:44 AM
yeah basically
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cheap as possible while still being operable
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all we need is a vtx in the air
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all the rest of this stuff is in support of that one mission: get a vtx in the air, keep it there
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cheap as possible while still being operable
WojtektheBear 7/12/2022 11:46 AM
If every local group had these…what possibilities would that open up?
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 11:46 AM
well say goobye to getting kettled
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that's one huge advantage
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WojtektheBear 7/12/2022 11:46 AM
Eyes in the sky
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 11:46 AM
a single drone operator with a computer and a radio could deploy this device into a complex protest environment and produce a real-time threat map
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all the interesting object detection/ai stuff happens at the ground control station, so the drone has no capabilities that can be captured or reverse engineered
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there's also the evidence collection aspect
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I would argue there's also a strong psychological aspect
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I'm torn between camouflaging the thing to blend in with the sky, or branding it for psyops
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but at the end of the day, I'm going to be sending these to AIF people as a prepared kit
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with all hardware and software included to deploy
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they can decorate them however they want 🤷‍♂️
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tldr, I'm trying to deliver highly capable intelligence devices under $50/unit
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tldr, I'm trying to deliver highly capable intelligence devices under $50/unit
WojtektheBear 7/12/2022 11:54 AM
At some point we will have a discussion about revenue. I think maybe doing custom runs of certain designs is better than raising prices on the red bubble
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We lowered all of the prices there so they’re at cost in order to make it more available to people
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 11:55 AM
you talking about shirts?
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lol ok
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oh i get it
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you mean revenue for projects
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you mean revenue for projects
WojtektheBear 7/12/2022 11:55 AM
Yeah exactly
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 11:56 AM
I'm not independently wealthy, but I make pretty decent money. At least enough to be able to afford to give these devices away within reason
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I'm not looking to make money, I'm not even looking to break even. I'm looking to be effective
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I'm not looking to make money, I'm not even looking to break even. I'm looking to be effective
WojtektheBear 7/12/2022 11:57 AM
We love to see it. Long term it could also ultimately be up to local chapters to figure that stuff out based on their needs
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Doctor Eval 7/12/2022 11:58 AM
I'm sure we can find a way to gain revenue in order to fund these things. Once I'm done with my prototyping, I'll be releasing build instructions for the kit. People can also make their own
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Again, the vehicle itself is not the interesting bit
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It's the software capabilities at the ground control station
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I'm sure we can find a way to gain revenue in order to fund these things. Once I'm done with my prototyping, I'll be releasing build instructions for the kit. People can also make their own
NordicThor_ 7/12/2022 1:10 PM
I was gonna ask about some type of manual or assembly instructions, especially for those like me who don’t know this stuff well. Dope as hell, man! Thanks for doing this!
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I'm torn between camouflaging the thing to blend in with the sky, or branding it for psyops
Camouflage is a great idea
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Rattle can paint the bottom sky blue and the top should try to match the pavement or so, just an idea (edited)
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Definitely keep us posted because I'm a tech person as well and would love to recreate this (edited)
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Doctor Eval 7/13/2022 12:25 AM
I was thinking the bottom could be camouflaged, and the top could be AIF branded, or antifa branded or something
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Black and red maybe
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Skullmaggot 7/13/2022 3:41 AM
@mr.rogers I don’t know if the above description is useful to you, but might be worth a look. There are both militant and non-militant elements here in the Discord. (edited)
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ISO guides to make cheap, easy, effective shields.
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Eightman
ISO guides to make cheap, easy, effective shields.
Someone had posted a couple links here originally. Can’t remember who it was though.
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Eightman
ISO guides to make cheap, easy, effective shields.
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Eightman
ISO guides to make cheap, easy, effective shields.
@WojtektheBear shared a link to this twitter who seems to be dedicated to that. https://twitter.com/shieldpdx?s=21&t=QXe-eUzSDtNgqw4zZCc0Dg
☆ on shield hiatus ☆ A team of volunteers supplying free shit to protestors and community members. We do not do interviews.
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Doctor Eval 7/15/2022 5:40 PM
@mr.rogers why do you seem so interested in shutting down my project?
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@ADMIN
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Doctor Eval
@mr.rogers why do you seem so interested in shutting down my project?
? I have raised 0 concerns in addition to the ones I did a few days ago
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Whats happening
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Doctor Eval
@mr.rogers why do you seem so interested in shutting down my project?
WojtektheBear 7/15/2022 5:42 PM
Yeah what the hell man he hasn’t said shit recently
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Is this in reference to the all seeing eye thing? The one that highlights stuff on videos?
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I also planned to message you to ask more about it so I can learn more. I'm unsure what the instigating is for. I have no problem with your project on principle. I raised a concern with big projects being advertised on job boards without some sort of democratic process. But I don't run this server, so after I raise my concern its out of my hands.
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Furthermore I acknowledged to @Skullmaggot I could have gone about raising my concern in a more approachable manner.
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I also planned to message you to ask more about it so I can learn more. I'm unsure what the instigating is for. I have no problem with your project on principle. I raised a concern with big projects being advertised on job boards without some sort of democratic process. But I don't run this server, so after I raise my concern its out of my hands.
WojtektheBear 7/15/2022 5:44 PM
People do not need a vote from others to do things on their own here so I’m glad you picked that up.
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I also planned to message you to ask more about it so I can learn more. I'm unsure what the instigating is for. I have no problem with your project on principle. I raised a concern with big projects being advertised on job boards without some sort of democratic process. But I don't run this server, so after I raise my concern its out of my hands.
Doctor Eval 7/15/2022 5:53 PM
Hey, I misread the timestamp on a message in the jobs channel, and I was replying to that. My bad, I wasn't trying to instigate - I was trying to understand. It seemed like it was important to you, and I want to understand why.
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Hey, I misread the timestamp on a message in the jobs channel, and I was replying to that. My bad, I wasn't trying to instigate - I was trying to understand. It seemed like it was important to you, and I want to understand why.
Oh, no problem. I will send you a message later when I'm home from work so we can have discussion and not have any negativity, so we work best together. I apologize for coming hot a few days ago in a public channel. I do not want to derail your project or attack you. I am also new to Discord, so I'm still learning how people use the platform.
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Oh, no problem. I will send you a message later when I'm home from work so we can have discussion and not have any negativity, so we work best together. I apologize for coming hot a few days ago in a public channel. I do not want to derail your project or attack you. I am also new to Discord, so I'm still learning how people use the platform.
Doctor Eval 7/15/2022 6:00 PM
sweet. I appreciate it. I'm sorry I swung back. I'm interested in different perspectives, it's just not always easy to go to them
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I'm a systems theorist when it comes to Political Science, so my approach is to treat political problems from the engineering domain.
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I'm kinda fond of the David Easton framework of democratic systems.
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Today, I think Surveillance/Social Media performs a lot of Interest Aggregation, outside the polity, acting as a proxy between citizens and the barriers to participation... maybe as a "facility" like pores in the barrier.
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If we were to design the system with an advertising and marketing function which did not usurp the voice of the people with commercial biased reinterpretations of people's needs/desires, how would that advertising and marketing system function, and what keeps it from diverging as an independent interest in competition with the citizens for control over public policy?
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How can we make the advertising and marketing systems defensive against fascist/populist manipulation?
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Maybe this is more like the current situation.
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European Union was nay sayed while dreaming this, but then they went ahead and did institute “General Data Protection”. A however limited regulatory tool on what you called Interest Aggregation? (edited)
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Interest aggregation is parts of the state that gather input, kinda like the representative congress, or the FTC, or FAA.
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How can we make the advertising and marketing systems defensive against fascist/populist manipulation?
CaulPartBallMop 3/15/2023 10:23 AM
I know this hasn't been touched on in a while but I like this concept a lot
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I'm juggling a disability and day job currently, but I can participate in some low-traffic discussion.
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Maybe this is more like the current situation.
Make a sub-culture split from Culture... flow to collective residences, collective businesses, and both flowing to federated collectives.
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We're seeing a huge rise in worker co-ops and living co-ops, as well as collective residence village formation in response to the current housing and inequity in pay from the existing primary culture.
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The more those cooperative projects and collectives federate together, the more viable as a secondary structure they become to provide the needs the primary culture doesn't.
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So here's one for you: What would be a good solution for protesters looking to visually block fash at an event? I was thinking bigass wood panels, or a pvc/sheet combo held by two people. But I've never attempted it, so I'm wondering if anyone has experience or guides for making big visual blockers. (edited)
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I seen to remember people at abortion clinics making large sheet walls to block patients from harassment and being photographed.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/11/2023 6:47 PM
Blank pieces of cardboard
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/11/2023 6:54 PM
Umbrellas
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/11/2023 6:57 PM
Dummy thiccness?
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I'm taking 6' x 3' or larger. Cardboard might be too flimsy. Umbrellas might not be big enough.
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So here's one for you: What would be a good solution for protesters looking to visually block fash at an event? I was thinking bigass wood panels, or a pvc/sheet combo held by two people. But I've never attempted it, so I'm wondering if anyone has experience or guides for making big visual blockers. (edited)
Tarps. light weight, printable/paintable, comes in a variety of colors and sizes. They can be used as impromptu barriers if held at both sides. You can strap kydex plates to the back to stifle blunt strikes if you intend to use it as a physical barrier.
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And you can put handles on them
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You can wrap someone up in one if they charge you and basically restrain them.
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Also... tarps are really cheap, and generally very durable... don't hold it really tight and it'll basically bounce back from anything that isn't a piercing object. Tighten it up and it can hold off as many people charging it as the people holding it can handle. Did I mention cheap? Use it to obscure a retreat, and have whomever is holding it drop it and run a different direction from the main body.
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Set it up around a medical treatment to block prying eyes and stop folks from trodding on the victim being treated.
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It's basically a swiss army knife that folds up to the size of a half gallon jug of milk.
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Up here we have folks who wear giant fairy wings 🤣
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Suggestions for building comfortable handles?
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Suggestions for building comfortable handles?
Stitched Leather over a padding layer, as tight as you can get it, stitch holes should be ~2mm apart, use the heaviest waxed thread you can get, put the seam/stitching in the gap between the palm and fingertips. (edited)
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Use a leather more sturdy than deerskin. Pig or cow works well.
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I don't think there would be a synthetic option that would work anything near as well. Unless you might could get your hands on whatever Mechanix gloves use for their synthetic grip pads.
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But I have no idea how that material will handle the lateral tearing that stitching will introduce on it.
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Batting (tailoring batting) works well for the padding layer... they make some about 1/3" - 1/4" thick. Shouldn't add too much bulk to the handle... especially once compressed by the outer cover (leather or whatever).
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Up here we have folks who wear giant fairy wings 🤣
Could design aircraft grade aluminim folding angel/demon wings. To make them sturdy enough you might have to make it really heavy, but someone my size could wear them fairly comfortably.
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I don’t know metal sheet gauges but a sturdy sheet of aluminum is pretty light, you could probably get one of those hiker backpack support frames, and just need the tools to come up with something. Up here the danger is far less currently, so I’m picturing a basic shield of thin aluminum that folds out (with the edges guarded incase a little kid bonks their head) Also for comfortable handles and strapping my first guess would be a horse tack shop
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You can buy shield strapping and handles that are meant for full contact fighting. Itd probably be cheaper.
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NGNMGoon
You can buy shield strapping and handles that are meant for full contact fighting. Itd probably be cheaper.
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I wonder if there's like, an idiot's guide to making shields and handles out in the world. We could probably make one of there isn't.
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I wonder if there's like, an idiot's guide to making shields and handles out in the world. We could probably make one of there isn't.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 1:30 PM
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@floppunism [BOI, ID] I've seen that one! The issue is materials. Big metal drums aren't readily available to everyone. I also saw someone turn an old, smaller satellite dish into an effective buckler.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 1:35 PM
Ahh
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Yeah, you could probably at least get handles from a hardware store
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I can literally tell you how
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I'm building a group of shieldsmen for protest.
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Literally had 8 people by their shield hardware today
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Buy
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I also have 10 years of experience building and assembling my own armour for hema, buhurt, and society of creative anachronism.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 2:10 PM
i’d love to make a sort of group where we all wear similar armor and shields and look badass
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like what patriot front does but actually based and effective and not their stupidly loose formations
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I want to create an SRA style group but for left leaning martial arts schools and clubs. Possibly come together to create a simple combatives course for self defense to teach alongside fire arms basics.
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What I'm doing right now is a precursor to that.
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I'm helping build a group that uses the melee and shield tactics ive learned from the various styles of fencing I do.
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Combining them with modern advances on the source materials those systems come from and updating doctrine to fit protest, riot, and security scenarios.
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As I continue judo, and bjj classes I want to add on to that.
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Later on when its more solidified ill add boxing or muaythai
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I want to create an SRA style group but for left leaning martial arts schools and clubs. Possibly come together to create a simple combatives course for self defense to teach alongside fire arms basics.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 4/12/2023 2:49 PM
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I'm on there.
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Isn't SCA like filled to the brim with boomer MAGA? @NGNMGoon
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No, where do people get that impression? Its mostly liberals. (edited)
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Its easily the most well maintained larp group when it comes to keeping chuds out and policing fucked up behavior. But it has 60000 members we can't get all of them or sometimes it isn't met with the appropriate response but over all its most liberals and progressives. Its old dudes who tend that way imo. My knights fairly conservative and I fuck with him constantly and pick arguments with his worse beliefs. He hates it because he has to engage with me in good faith.
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Its easily the most well maintained larp group when it comes to keeping chuds out and policing fucked up behavior. But it has 60000 members we can't get all of them or sometimes it isn't met with the appropriate response but over all its most liberals and progressives. Its old dudes who tend that way imo. My knights fairly conservative and I fuck with him constantly and pick arguments with his worse beliefs. He hates it because he has to engage with me in good faith.
Musta just been the folks in Southern California back in the 90's early 00's that I met.
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Oh yeah, it was a significantly different culture at the time.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 4:49 PM
SCA has pretty nice people
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I was wrapped up in Ren Faires and a buddy from one wanted me to go to fight practice with him to get to know folks. I wanted my Ren Faires to be mostly laughing, drinking, and fucking. They said there was plenty of the second, and their version of laughing was teardown insults... and none of them were getting laid, that's for sure.
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If your not a douche or a creeper most people got a decent shot at a lot of the bigger events.
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I was really big into psychedelics when I joined and my group said thered be plenty at the biggest event. Got there and couldn't find shit. Turns out I was just talking to the wrong circles.
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I was offered heroin like 4x though which was concerning.
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i’d love to make a sort of group where we all wear similar armor and shields and look badass
Blue button up shirt would be good for a uniform or a general style for any group trying to look clean, organized and professional imo
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Representative of working class ("blue collar") and more subtly the Union Army
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although it'd have negative connotations since the Falangist version of Blackshirts and Brownshirts were Blueshirts, and I think Ireland had a fascist group with blue shirts too
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but there's only so many colors
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Blue jumpsuit and armor
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I had an idea to integrate chainmail on to a plate carrier.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 7:16 PM
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I had an idea to integrate chainmail on to a plate carrier.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 8:19 PM
Legit had this idea a while back
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modern body armor isnt amazing against stabs, and can often be bulky
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mail is extremely capable against all but the most determined stabs without a dedicated anti-armor weapon, and is unbelievably flexible
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 8:20 PM
we can do better
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we Integrate the plates into the mail
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we can even overlap the plates
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This style of armor arose in the Islamic world thanks to the prevalence of crossbows and later firearms, meaning that mail alone was no longer sufficeint, and lamellar wasnt good enough
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of course, if we want to go simpler
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 8:33 PM
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over lap the plates, have the straps adjust how tight it fits
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Ill sketch out a concept using larger plates, since thats what modern body armor tends to use
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking
we Integrate the plates into the mail
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 8:36 PM
closer to these two
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than the others
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It's all fun and games until it's summer or You don't have appropriate padding underneath. Then you're just rubbing sizzling hot chains all over your body. XD
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It's all fun and games until it's summer or You don't have appropriate padding underneath. Then you're just rubbing sizzling hot chains all over your body. XD
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 8:55 PM
Mail is shockingly good as wicking away heat, and breathes exceptionally well; you also probably wouldn't wear it without skin protection anyway, cause metal
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This style of armor arose in the Islamic world thanks to the prevalence of crossbows and later firearms, meaning that mail alone was no longer sufficeint, and lamellar wasnt good enough
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 9:37 PM
Lamellail
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Convenient side effect of chain is no sunburn.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:38 PM
Am actually designing this
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Essentially but hand made rather than bought.
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Probably scaled down a bit.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:39 PM
If someone can get their hands on body armor plates and drill, I can show where to get maille
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Probably scaled down a bit.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:39 PM
No
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We going all out on this bitch
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Allthebeststuff has cheap strong mail
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Allthebeststuff has cheap strong mail
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:40 PM
Nah, we going Kult of Athena for Proper riveted steal
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Kinda wondering if I should stream this
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If were spending money we can get bohurt grade chain.
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Thats the best you can get.
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I'm critical of coa
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:43 PM
KOA is a retailer, not a producer; they dont make it, and the Mail i bought through them has held up extremely well
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Any decent mail would work for this purpose.
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What did you have in mind though?
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:46 PM
As I said, Proper Rivetted steel, and we're doing this, but with the plates incorperated into the mail
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we Integrate the plates into the mail
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:46 PM
Like that
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I'm wondering if we should have built in knee plates, or not
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cause if we don't then we can either have longer mail with knee pads, or we can shorten it and improve mobility
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but if we do, we can save weight on over mail pads and gain better protection
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Shit this is gonna be cool as fuck
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:56 PM
Yes
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And pretty expensive. We might be able to pull this off for 500 for neck to knee.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:57 PM
Yeah
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I’m thinking we cut armor above the knee to save weight and money
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I'll elaborate in a bit
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 9:58 PM
I think we can ditch a belt to hold up the leg armor, and just attach them to the belt loops of the pants
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Yeah I was actually thinking splinted leather under combat pants
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:08 PM
Tbh, leg armor probably isn’t all that needed below the knee, at least beyond shin guard and knee pads
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Or do a one piece bathing suit mixed with a hoody type mail
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Shin guards
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Or do a one piece bathing suit mixed with a hoody type mail
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:08 PM
Coif?
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Yeah but attached
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Or do a one piece bathing suit mixed with a hoody type mail
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:09 PM
We could do a groin guard and long enough mail
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Is the goal to mix medieval protection with modern gear tight
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:09 PM
Kinda
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Is the goal to mix medieval protection with modern gear tight
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:10 PM
I think it’s to mix mail and modern
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So I guess
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I definitely a coif is a very solid idea
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I'm thinking a full body suit like coif to knee and down just below the elbow. Then forearm and thigh armour thats more modern
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Plate carrier attached to the mail
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:12 PM
I’m thinking we put the plate into the mail to save weight since it doesn’t need mail under it
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Forearm/shin*
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Id probably wear paints over the bottom half.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:12 PM
I think shin might be a bit more than needed
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At that point, we may as well have chausses
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Hockey grieves are 40 bucks
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:13 PM
Not a bad idea
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I suppose your right though but id personally do it.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:13 PM
For a prototype would work well
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I suppose your right though but id personally do it.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:13 PM
Fair
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Plus add on my plexiglass shields and your solid
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:15 PM
I think what you suggested about knee length mail and hockey greaves is a good way to go (edited)
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Throw a plate groin guard on and you’re solid
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A variety of head protection could work with this tbh. It doesn't need to be tactical
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Motorcycle helmets for example
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:17 PM
Yep
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Again, this is a prototype, so we don’t need a proper riot helmet
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I'll send you the stab/shatter proof shield boss if you want.
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Hockey grieves are 40 bucks
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 10:19 PM
I will always stand by that baseball catcher gear is 100% what you want for armor in demonstrations
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I've had 75mph fastballs hit my chest and it didn't even hurt
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I'll send you the stab/shatter proof shield boss if you want.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:19 PM
I’ve already got a shield
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/12/2023 10:19 PM
I've had them bounce off my face and only dazzle me a little
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Baseball catcher gear is the shit
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I'm trying to make budget riot shields
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:20 PM
I was nailed in the face with a bat when I was younger and played BBall; catcher gear rocks
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I'm trying to make budget riot shields
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:20 PM
Oh, then sure I’ll take one
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I can't wait to sticker mine uo
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Up
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:21 PM
Hell yeah!
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NGNMGoon
I'll send you the stab/shatter proof shield boss if you want.
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 4/12/2023 10:21 PM
I thought you meant like, reenacting shield
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Cause I have a Viking shield
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Show up to a protest just dressed like I’m about to sack Lindesfarne
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Id love to see it.
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This is a cool idea though. Im interested to see where it goes.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/15/2023 4:51 PM
Can anyone from engineering attend tomorrows general meeting? Date: Sunday 4/16 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: mutual aid (I got a list of people who seem to have connections, and we can probably put together a network), marketing, networking (National Lawyers Guild?) (edited) 1 You do not have permission to send messages in this channel.
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All right clever builders, I have another concept that I could use suggestions on. On Saturday comrades attempted a countermeasure that proved relatively successful. The decorated soundboards, and used them to stand in front of an antagonist who had a megaphone. Attendees to the event said that it definitely had an effect of dampening the megaphone when they were in front of the agitator. The pieces were about an inch or two thick, and about 36" by 24" but it was a challenge to hold and manipulate them. One used a old cabinet door and handle, which was somewhat effective, but still awkward.
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What we could use are suggestions for making larger shields, more effective sound blocking shields, and better handles and ways to manipulate the position. Megaphone guy would hold his device higher, and allies would have to hold the shields higher, for example. (edited)
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These do not need to be impact resistant, as the main goal is to block the sound and stop the verbal harassment that people like this can do.
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I also have a video that I stole from the guy's Facebook page if anybody wants to see specifically what we were dealing with.
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Additionally, there was a guy with a phone holder on his chest, and a digital camera on a pole which he was using to film people at the event. He would walk up and down the sidewalk aggressively filming people and then screaming to be a victim when he ran into people or their umbrellas. What he was doing was technically not illegal, despite his obvious antagonism. Organizers said that he needed to be allowed to walk on the sidewalk back and forth which he kept attempting even after people stop blocking him. What suggestions would you have for interfering with the recording at a distance? Perhaps a bright flashlight or laser pens? That way we would not need to be near him and still mess with his recording. (edited)
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All right clever builders, I have another concept that I could use suggestions on. On Saturday comrades attempted a countermeasure that proved relatively successful. The decorated soundboards, and used them to stand in front of an antagonist who had a megaphone. Attendees to the event said that it definitely had an effect of dampening the megaphone when they were in front of the agitator. The pieces were about an inch or two thick, and about 36" by 24" but it was a challenge to hold and manipulate them. One used a old cabinet door and handle, which was somewhat effective, but still awkward.
You want tall plexiglass, polycarbonate etc
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About 48 x 24
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There's a variety of handles or straps you can use. If it doesn't need to be impact resistant just get some old belts nuts and washers. You'll be able to see through and block sound. (edited)
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Use the belts to make straps (edited)
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One strap for the forearm, one for for the hand to hold on too.
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You want your elbow and hand facing the top right corner .
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@NGNMGoon Any way to get some visuals I could pass on? Would the plexiglass or polycarbonate be the backing for the sound-muffling foam?
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I'm not sure how the foam works. But what ever side is going to reflect noise
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For your purposes it just needs to do that and block basic strikes and thrown projectiles
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The circles are bolts with washers on the top of the leather strap. The bolt head on the front of the shield.
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@NGNMGoon Any way to get some visuals I could pass on? Would the plexiglass or polycarbonate be the backing for the sound-muffling foam?
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You can also reinforce the sides of the shield with pvc
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Use connectors on the pipes but use zip ties to tie the pipe to the shield.
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Any material you can strap that foam too can work
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As long as its rigid, doesn't shatter easily and you have enough to make the shields.
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Aluminum, plywood, etc. Go steal a road sign or something.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/19/2023 10:22 PM
@ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ Read up through this channel for DIY shield ideas, plus one that is pinned
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ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ 4/19/2023 10:22 PM
Ik how to make em
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/19/2023 10:22 PM
Wetted bandanas are better than nothing when it comes to chemical munitions, just stay moving
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Aight cool
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ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ 4/19/2023 10:22 PM
We need a ton. And coordination. And money
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And gas masks
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Wetted bandanas are better than nothing when it comes to chemical munitions, just stay moving
ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ 4/19/2023 10:22 PM
That's what I did
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Had no other choice lol
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People were bringing guns out
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/19/2023 10:22 PM
Awesome, not trying to doubt your knowledge I just don't know what people know lmao
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ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ 4/19/2023 10:22 PM
It's gonna go down
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/19/2023 10:23 PM
Yeah, it's been too long since a big riot
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ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ 4/19/2023 10:23 PM
Nah no offense taken and I appreciate you ✊
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/19/2023 10:23 PM
They seem to happen every 3 years now
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ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ 4/19/2023 10:23 PM
Boots on the ground said there's cops from all over Ohio here
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/19/2023 10:24 PM
I'd imagine they're trying to disrupt any possible action with early use of munitions. Dumbasses don't know that it'll just make people angry
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ThatDoomedSoul Ⓐ 4/19/2023 10:24 PM
That was their goal I'm sure
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I think they severely underestimate how many weapons were in our crowd
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joe hill’s revenge 4/27/2023 12:18 PM
Public Meeting Date: Sunday 4/30 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: TBA
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 7/20/2023 8:27 PM
improvised shield idea: metal folding chair
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you could secure the bottom upwards and drill a handle into the seat
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probably very quick to procure
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str8 up demon 7/21/2023 9:57 PM
or
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get a garbage can lid and put some metal plates inside
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
Wetted bandanas are better than nothing when it comes to chemical munitions, just stay moving
str8 up demon 7/21/2023 9:58 PM
particle masks from menards work
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just get goggles
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45 dollars a mask i believe
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nvm 30
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3m half face mask with the pink organic filters do a really good job too.
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str8 up demon 7/22/2023 7:28 PM
damn right they do cheap too
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even for filter replacements
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im putting together a equipment cache atm
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The 3M 62023 Performance Respirator Multi-Purpose is designed for the professional who tackles tough jobs like mold cleanup or spray applications, such as paint or stains. Adjustable features help you
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$50, last a really long time, and if you get it fitting correctly, blocks almost everything. I could sit in my car and not smell the McDonald's I picked up. XD
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str8 up demon 7/22/2023 7:32 PM
50 dollars definitely makes it hard to buy multiple BUT
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still considerably cheaper than the online CBRNs
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getting impact resistant goggles is a must
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