I am aware it’s pretty empty in here right now, but it would be a good idea to come up with a branding identity for iron front going forward. Establishing a general color palette and type faces to use for posters, stickers, etc. so that visual communications are unified will create a stronger voice.
@Marusya Nice to have you aboard! I’m also a graphic designer, but right now I’m playing at information management and human resources to get ourselves organized! The discord and group are still pretty young. Mostly I’d be asking people at this point what sort of information they may need.
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@Marusya Nice to have you aboard! I’m also a graphic designer, but right now I’m playing at information management and human resources to get ourselves organized! The discord and group are still pretty young. Mostly I’d be asking people at this point what sort of information they may need.
Awesome. Hello designer friend! Seems like the initial set up is the hardest part. What sort of things do you need help with right now? Design or else?
@Marusya Haha, leadership and recruitment, I guess. Right now, we’re getting a feel for peoples’ expertises and we’re seeing who’s stepping up. I don’t think we’re at the point to have leaders yet, as I’d imagine leadership means taking actions and risks. I think we may have more luck in the coming days as I talk with people in the information management sector and we get organized in terms of our information and personnel. If you want to do something yourself, there are other graphic designers (in the introductions channel). Do you want to speak with them at all and bounce around ideas? People are also asking for graphics for protest resources. I believe we’ve been posting things in the protests channel—there’s already a lot going on, I’m not sure if I can keep track of it all—so maybe direct people there or if you know graphics you can provide yourself, post them. We’re just jumping into everything at the moment, so if you see anyone asking for help then lend a hand.
@Marusya Haha, leadership and recruitment, I guess. Right now, we’re getting a feel for peoples’ expertises and we’re seeing who’s stepping up. I don’t think we’re at the point to have leaders yet, as I’d imagine leadership means taking actions and risks. I think we may have more luck in the coming days as I talk with people in the information management sector and we get organized in terms of our information and personnel. If you want to do something yourself, there are other graphic designers (in the introductions channel). Do you want to speak with them at all and bounce around ideas? People are also asking for graphics for protest resources. I believe we’ve been posting things in the protests channel—there’s already a lot going on, I’m not sure if I can keep track of it all—so maybe direct people there or if you know graphics you can provide yourself, post them. We’re just jumping into everything at the moment, so if you see anyone asking for help then lend a hand.
Graphic Designer/comic artist here, part of Cali chapter. Wanting to introduce myself and offer my expertise. I'm bad at being oniline but am pushing myself to engage online more haha
@Deleted User There’s a discussion about branding going on in the flyers and stickers channel. I’m going to be getting to work, so I may not be as available for the rest of the day.
Okay. I’m going to check out if figma is free to use. I’d like to keep the convo going, but in a place that is more constructive to the visual elements that we are discussing
Marusya
Okay. I’m going to check out if figma is free to use. I’d like to keep the convo going, but in a place that is more constructive to the visual elements that we are discussing
For sure. I don’t think anything will happen today, but I am going to ask infosec if they’re okay with a figma file setup and then try to get going with some asynchronous brainstorming.
3:12 PM
Also need to figure out the preferred method of conducting a meeting for security.
Hello, I’m playing at an information management and human resources role. I know direction will be difficult until it is better formalized in the meeting. But, if you ever need anything to succeed, let me know.
Skullmaggot
Hello, I’m playing at an information management and human resources role. I know direction will be difficult until it is better formalized in the meeting. But, if you ever need anything to succeed, let me know.
Hello, I’m playing at an information management and human resources role. I know direction will be difficult until it is better formalized in the meeting. But, if you ever need anything to succeed, let me know.
@Marusya Infosec is a top priority in the upcoming meeting. Edit: It was not top priority in the meeting.(edited)
3:16 PM
@Marusya You can go ahead and take initiative. However, I am also attempting to apply some brakes because there’s a lot of things already going to be discussed and formalized.
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@Marusya A shared file is good.
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Skullmaggot
@Marusya You can go ahead and take initiative. However, I am also attempting to apply some brakes because there’s a lot of things already going to be discussed and formalized.
I love that swastifix, (or crustica?) But it might be a good idea to highlight the cross within a bit more to make it obvious. Some people are kinda fuckin dumb and will just wonder why that swastika has a long leg
#graphic-designers Since we discussed this a couple of days ago, who has time for a design strategy meeting this week? Since Monday is the 4th, I think Wednesday, Thursday or Friday could be a good time to meet.
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#graphic-designers Since we discussed this a couple of days ago, who has time for a design strategy meeting this week? Since Monday is the 4th, I think Wednesday, Thursday or Friday could be a good time to meet.
Does anyone have a high res image or vector of the logo used for r/ironFrontUSA? I think it is the best design we have for the AIF and I would like to use it in materials.
4:14 PM
This logo features the arrows of the Iron Front, large and prominent, and (without text) conveys that this is the new American faction which is distinct from the original
4:18 PM
The Captain America version has to shrink the arrows to make room for the triple rings -- making them less prominent -- but even then it still isn't completely clear that this logo refers to the American faction and it requires a ring of text to state as much.(edited)
4:20 PM
I do like the 2nd logo, but I think the first one is a more powerful brand. Does anyone have an .svg?
Does anyone have a high res image or vector of the logo used for r/ironFrontUSA? I think it is the best design we have for the AIF and I would like to use it in materials.
I think the 7 stars were just chosen because that number of stars looks appropriate. Even it its arbitrary it still looks great and it communicates 'America' a lot more clearly than the Capitan America logo.
I'm trying to do a lot of writing to influence AIF culture, little posts sort of inspired by the federalist papers. I needed something dope to conclude them with, like a mic drop.(edited)
The Dozer
I'm trying to do a lot of writing to influence AIF culture, little posts sort of inspired by the federalist papers. I needed something dope to conclude them with, like a mic drop. (edited)
You bring up a lot of great points in this. Especially in regards to the proud boys meeting in beer halls. This is a great argument in favor of libraries.
But yeah, I'd like to make a side group just for AIF Papers, short posts which articulate a problem and advocate a clear vision for addressing it. Each paper would be a thread for its discussion.
The AIF is a decentralized org and we need a way for the community to identify the hazards in front of us and get everyone oriented towards a solution that we can mostly agree on. The federalist papers envisioned what America could become and charted a path out of a very dangerous and uncertain time. That's what I want these papers to do for the AIF: present compelling visions for what we need to become and then chart the courses we need to follow to become them.
Anybody can post an AIF Paper, and the community curates through /. Dumb shit gets punted and brilliant shit gets canonized once enough people are actually working to make it happen.
#The-AIF-Papers(edited)
The Dozer
But yeah, I'd like to make a side group just for AIF Papers, short posts which articulate a problem and advocate a clear vision for addressing it. Each paper would be a thread for its discussion.
The AIF is a decentralized org and we need a way for the community to identify the hazards in front of us and get everyone oriented towards a solution that we can mostly agree on. The federalist papers envisioned what America could become and charted a path out of a very dangerous and uncertain time. That's what I want these papers to do for the AIF: present compelling visions for what we need to become and then chart the courses we need to follow to become them.
Anybody can post an AIF Paper, and the community curates through /. Dumb shit gets punted and brilliant shit gets canonized once enough people are actually working to make it happen.
#The-AIF-Papers (edited)
I kind of see this pipeline being most common
subreddit > discord > zine
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10:58 PM
but maybe you have a point... sharing a zine would be a way for established true believers to quickly onboard friends who they think would be fellow travelers
@Marusya Ah, @Nomad jumped on things. I don’t know if you two have been introduced yet. Is your presentation about opsec? (I’m still working on old information, haven’t caught up yet.)
1:32 PM
@Nomad ‘s presentation
Skullmaggot
@Marusya Ah, @Nomad jumped on things. I don’t know if you two have been introduced yet. Is your presentation about opsec? (I’m still working on old information, haven’t caught up yet.)
The Four Freedoms were goals articulated by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt on Monday, January 6, 1941. In an address known as the Four Freedoms speech (technically the 1941 State of the Union address), he proposed four fundamental freedoms that people "everywhere in the world" ought to enjoy:
Freedom of speech
Freedom of worship
Freedom ...
One caution, I came across a documentary on Netflix and noticed that the traditionalist worker’s party (or something similar) uses/used a symbol that looks similar-ish to the 3A logo
Skullmaggot
@Marusya Ah, @Nomad jumped on things. I don’t know if you two have been introduced yet. Is your presentation about opsec? (I’m still working on old information, haven’t caught up yet.)
The Traditionalist Worker Party (TWP) was a neo-Nazi group that advocated for racially pure nations and communities and blamed Jews for many of the world’s problems. The group was intimately allied with other prominent neo-Nazi and other hard-line racist organizations espousing unvarnished white supremacist views. For a time after 2015, the grou...
when we get official color scheme down I know a shop that’ll do nice raised/embroidered logos. would love a 3-arrow (does the symbol have an official name?) embroidered in white on black or navy blue #hatdreams
I also have the maker. Mine is pink (it was cheap), and I’m going to be making stencils with it. Just imagine me creating spraypaint stencils for the revolution on a pink cricut if you want something to laugh about.
Here's a cool poster we could take inspiration from
2:19 PM
I think greed could work as the 3rd arrow based on this
Marusya
I also have the maker. Mine is pink (it was cheap), and I’m going to be making stencils with it. Just imagine me creating spraypaint stencils for the revolution on a pink cricut if you want something to laugh about.
So that documentary (again lol) featured an organization called Life After Hate. How cool would it be to add a QR on posters/stickers for that too?
https://www.lifeafterhate.org/about-us-page
Like “Stuck in a hate group? Scan here” or something simple
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So that documentary (again lol) featured an organization called Life After Hate. How cool would it be to add a QR on posters/stickers for that too?
https://www.lifeafterhate.org/about-us-page
With the recent Russian oligarchs getting their shit yoinked, I think more people are familiar with the term, but I’d agree that it’s still probably relatively unknown.
@Marusya I could double-check, but I don’t think @WindandGales is an admin here. But, good find. I was wondering what repository people were talking about.
12:29 AM
I’ll try to link/coordinate.
Skullmaggot
@Marusya I could double-check, but I don’t think @WindandGales is an admin here. But, good find. I was wondering what repository people were talking about.
@Marusya When were you thinking of having the call with the graphic designers/psyops crews? I would like to sit in and hear some of the ideas fleshed out that were brought up in previous convos
Skullmaggot
@NordicThor_@Deleted User What’re symbols representative of oligarchies?
It’s probably too detailed for smaller things but a simplified version of this (suit with money sign) or even just a fist clutching cash (like the opposite of the “power” fist)
12:46 PM
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also the fleur de lis has been reused for many things but was also used to brand runaway slaves, so I guess in a way could be a symbol of wealthy land/slave owners
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@Marusya When were you thinking of having the call with the graphic designers/psyops crews? I would like to sit in and hear some of the ideas fleshed out that were brought up in previous convos
@Braakinthesaddle@Marusya Be sure to let graphic designers/psyops people know (preferably far) in advance so that they can work it into their schedules.
I can't meet in the evenings during the week. I work 5p-10p AZ time M-F, and I am lifting before that. If you want to meet during the evening, it'll have to be a weekend. Or I can meet earlier during the day on weekdays.
Braakinthesaddle
I can't meet in the evenings during the week. I work 5p-10p AZ time M-F, and I am lifting before that. If you want to meet during the evening, it'll have to be a weekend. Or I can meet earlier during the day on weekdays.
@here All those wishing to attend the upcoming design strategy meeting, please be aware that it may be as soon as Saturday night. Contact @Marusya .(edited)
An issue I want to bring up before the design meeting:
To the average person, the AIF logo is unrecognizable. It's actually a bit scary looking, and when paired with the flag ring it will probably be mistaken for a fascist symbol that groups like the PB or Patriot Front would use. It's a huge fucking problem for us every time someone sees our logo and makes that mistake -- and I suspect it will happen a lot.
I think we should consider some powerful words to accompany the logo that make it impossible for anyone to make that mistake.
Something simple and short that would effectively become our GoT house words, our version of "Winter is Coming"
Best I've got so far:
Democracy over Fascism
I think Democracy and Fascism are probably the two strongest keywords we can use to anchor our ideology, and 'over' not only declares which we endorse and which we repudiate, 'over' also implies that we will use democracy to trample fascism under our feet.
It would work well in conjunction with our name in a ring around our logo. With just 6 words it would be impossible for anyone to misunderstand who we are and what we're about.
- American Iron Front - Democracy Over Fascism -(edited)
7:16 PM
Conveniently, both slugs are almost the exact same length, so they should be able to work as a ring with 3 words on the top and 3 on the bottom
Excuse my sloppy MS paint, and being the newbie weighing in, but my first reaction to the choice of words was to worry about this particular look at a glance reinforcing the problem with misidentification
@Marusya Did you finish that SVG of this logo that you were working on? It would be nice to get it so we could work on some variations tonight. If we get some good candidates we could vote on a standard one at the meeting tomorrow?(edited)
If we put the words inside we will need to shrink the arrows to make space, which would make them less prominent and throw off the balance they bring to the rest of the elements. I don't know what is is about the scale and weight of the arrows in this logo but it just feels right to me, I'm hesitant to throw off that balance but I'll see what I can do if I can get the svg.
8:15 PM
Also, does anyone else prefer Iron Front USA over American Iron Front?
Iron Front USA
American Iron Front
Iron front USA is better in my opinion. AIF has similar letters to antifa and tbh I don’t think most people are smart enough to distinguish.
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The Dozer
@Marusya Did you finish that SVG of this logo that you were working on? It would be nice to get it so we could work on some variations tonight. If we get some good candidates we could vote on a standard one at the meeting tomorrow? (edited)
An issue I want to bring up before the design meeting:
To the average person, the AIF logo is unrecognizable. It's actually a bit scary looking, and when paired with the flag ring it will probably be mistaken for a fascist symbol that groups like the PB or Patriot Front would use. It's a huge fucking problem for us every time someone sees our logo and makes that mistake -- and I suspect it will happen a lot.
I think we should consider some powerful words to accompany the logo that make it impossible for anyone to make that mistake.
Something simple and short that would effectively become our GoT house words, our version of "Winter is Coming"
Best I've got so far:
Democracy over Fascism
I think Democracy and Fascism are probably the two strongest keywords we can use to anchor our ideology, and 'over' not only declares which we endorse and which we repudiate, 'over' also implies that we will use democracy to trample fascism under our feet.
It would work well in conjunction with our name in a ring around our logo. With just 6 words it would be impossible for anyone to misunderstand who we are and what we're about.
- American Iron Front - Democracy Over Fascism -(edited)
This has been an ongoing problem for us and while I don’t see anything wrong with alternative designs that are more clear, for people who know what the three arrows are it’s very evocative
I feel like what we’re here for is to clarify that, I’m not overly precious about it but I do prefer AIF and a lot of people who have been rocking gear to events and that type of work refer to it like that
The pure red and black evokes the red and black flag of antifa, which is a brand we want to do everything we can to differentiate ourselves from. The Red White and Blue speaks a lot more to our mission to recapture American patriotism from the far-right.
We could use both. To each their own, I suppose. Living in my state, I know that if I walked around in a black and red shirt that said AIF, I know I’d get some looks.
let them think we are anti-fa, there gonna call us that anyways for being against them
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The Dozer
The pure red and black evokes the red and black flag of antifa, which is a brand we want to do everything we can to differentiate ourselves from. The Red White and Blue speaks a lot more to our mission to recapture American patriotism from the far-right.
Yeah I actually agree here while I don’t think anyone here is afraid of Antifa or anything we want to tread carefully about optics
Marusya
We could use both. To each their own, I suppose. Living in my state, I know that if I walked around in a black and red shirt that said AIF, I know I’d get some looks.
I don't want us to be associated with antifa. Their brand is radioactive, we need to differentiate ourselves, and we can do that by leaning into the patriotisim.
Embracing patriotism opens our door to a lot regular people who don't really have a lot of knowledge about what's happening in the world. Its foolish to think we don't need these people, we don't have the numbers to win without them.
I will always preach the third arrow as being our repudiation of communism. That, our patriotism, and our history of fighting the grandfathers of Antifa, Antifaschistische Aktion, are the 3 most powerful tools we have for cracking through the cynicism of people stuck in the Fox bubble and convincing them we aren't just three commies stacked in a trenchcoat.
I believe these three features are essential to our survival and success, and I jumped to join the AIF because I saw so much hope in them. They are best avenue we have to get people on the other side to stop for a moment and listen to us, and that gives us a shot at winning them over to our side.(edited)
@The Dozer Hi, I was thinking maybe instead to have brighter colors (such as a white background and green arrows, for example, which would be unmistakably non-fascist but not necessarily anti-fascist design). I don't know who'd be on board for such a change, especially established AIF chapters, but I personally think a good positive-feeling color scheme would be a good consideration.(edited)
Actually yes Skull, one thing I REALLY liked about this Captain America flag was how vibrant and friendly the colors were. It's the sort of thing someone could carry around with a smile on their face without feeling like they're inviting conflict or painting a target on their back. That's a huge factor for appealing to moderates and it's something we should absolutely consider.
Compare the colors of the subreddits logo and the preview of the SVG that Marusya is working on. The second one feels a little more serious, but the subreddits feels a little more joyous.
I like them both, but I think there is more outreach power in joy as it tempers the scary factor and makes it more friendly and approachable
2:46 AM
Although, the rest Marusyas design is an improvement over the subreddit logo, as the outer blue ring is now correctly balanced with the inner white ring.(edited)
2:51 AM
A thought:
When I first learned about the black panthers as a kid, one of the first pictures I saw was of them running a soup kitchen. After that when I saw the pictures of them with rifles I knew I didn't need to be afraid of them because they were the good guys. That stuck with me all my life.
It's not a 1-to-1 analogy, but there is so much more power in projecting joy and kindness.(edited)
2:54 AM
Our logo will do so much outreach work on its own if it radiates positivity and patriotism.
2:57 AM
I'm strongly in favor of bright vibrant blues and reds
Interesting. I just noticed that the picture of the flag at the parade has a blue circle and I think it looks better than the version above with the black circle. Far more friendly(edited)
@The Dozer Yeah, no black on that one. Makes it more positive-feeling. Also, I need to get to sleep to get up early tomorrow. I think it's likely that I'll miss the design strategy meeting, but I like your ideas.
Yes! Changing the inner circle from black to blue really ramps up the patriotism and positivity factors and almost completely eliminates the scary militia factor.(edited)
We need to project power, but the question is whether to project frightening power or positive power.
If we choose colors which project frightening power we're going to be mistaken at first glance for the people we seek to fight.
This will be catastrophic for outreach, because most of the time you only get one glance.
I really like the new colors you're playing with @Dr_Diskette(edited)
11:59 AM
@Dr_Diskette Can you take your 6:52 post, but make the black ring white?(edited)
What if you took you're 9:39 fav flag, and then rotated the angle of all of the stripes to match the angle of the arrows so the stripes are all like this?
Also, I'm gonna try some rounded text like this idea I pitched, does anyone have ideas for fonts we could examine to uses as our standard? Like Microsoft uses Segoe as their font, Apple Helvetica.
Or we could just cancel the whole meeting and just go with this because it's basically ready for print.
Yo, thats way better. Take off the two outside red and white
12:52 PM
The text is for stickers
The Dozer
Also, I'm gonna try some rounded text like this idea I pitched, does anyone have ideas for fonts we could examine to uses as our standard? Like Microsoft uses Segoe as their font, Apple Helvetica.
Or we could just cancel the whole meeting and just go with this because it's basically ready for print.
@Marusya just sent me the svg and I made the center blue. I think this is almost perfect as our emblem and pairs perfectly with where that flag is going. Just gotta move that one star...
Also, you know how there is a color called, Royal Blue? Hex : #0504aa
I say that whatever value of blue we ultimately go with, lets declare it Democracy Blue
Because fuck the Royalists!
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The Dozer
The colors now shine as bright as democracy itself
@The Dozer If you’re using Illustrator, I believe you can click on the edge of a circle shape with the type tool to do circular text (but I haven’t done it in a while, I don’t exactly recall). There’s always tutorials online though.
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@The Dozer If you’re using Illustrator, I believe you can click on the edge of a circle shape with the type tool to do circular text (but I haven’t done it in a while, I don’t exactly recall). There’s always tutorials online though.
Yeah, I'm stuck with inkscape. I've got it working roughly, but it's gonna take a while to get it looking proper right.
Also, I think tonight we should make a call between either the fat arrowheads used in Dr D's flag, or the more svelte arrowheads used in the emblem...
Then we should use the same arrows in the same blue circle in both the flag and the emblem for consistency.
Personally, I think the svelte arrows look more athletic and action oriented, but I'd have to see them on Dr D's flag to really know.(edited)
The premise being that Scar was a revolutionary liberator who led a ghettoized people to rise up from bondage and reintegrate with their former oppressors as equals.
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After he was killed by the son of the king he deposed, the The Lion King was crafted as a twisted version of history to demonize him and his ideals.
I do like the classic fat ones for sure.... but I think there is too much blue space around them on your flag as compared to the classic logo you posted.
You can't really make the arrows bigger though because their width is perfectly balanced with the width of the stripes behind them and this looks fucking awesome.
If you want to reduce the blue space in the circle you could try deleting the 2 outer white stripes, then flip the colors of every remaining stripe so that the two outside stripes become white again. Then you could shrink the blue and white circles and until you find a find a new balance which is closer to the original.
Could I ask a favor on behalf of Ohio. I’m not really artistically inclined and I think a state specific AIF flag would be really cool. I’m envisioning the banner but the big O contains the three arrows.
Click the download icon in the bottom right beside < > to get the SVG
2:35 AM
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2:37 AM
This is just placeholder text. We can use the SVG as a starting point to test out various fonts(edited)
Rudolph Yankenson
Could I ask a favor on behalf of Ohio. I’m not really artistically inclined and I think a state specific AIF flag would be really cool. I’m envisioning the banner but the big O contains the three arrows.
@Marusya@here I was only able to stay for the first half of the design strategy meeting. I slept last night on a few ideas:
-Lady Liberty/other people or women holding three arrows; people don’t know what three arrows means, so it’s a hook
-(armed) diversity poster with minorities/women; who are the faces of the communities we’re protecting?
-LGBTQIA+ (drag queen), elderly Asian woman, Black woman, pregnant women, Jewish, and White Christian male, etc.
-fist with three arrows, but also connected to the faces of the people wielding the arrows(edited)
I’ll just say this again: we can have multiple logos and flag designs and people can use what speaks to them, if we have to compromise to have inventory in the redbubble, we can still have at least a couple designs
I've been more focused on printable logos for stickers and flyers, but I know @Marusya is big on street style iconography that can be quickly reproduced.
You could replicate this logo very quickly with 3 cardboard arrows with sticky tape on the back, a square frame stencil, and a rattle can.
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Alternatively, we could do a negative space stencil, so the arrows are what gets hit, and then do a diamond frame around it.
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The Dozer
I've been more focused on printable logos for stickers and flyers, but I know @Marusya is big on street style iconography that can be quickly reproduced.
You could replicate this logo very quickly with 3 cardboard arrows with sticky tape on the back, a square frame stencil, and a rattle can.
Yeah, that would get us the arrows, which would be perfect for tagging over fascist sigils we see -- exactly as the logo was intended to do
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rather than seeking to fully paint over swastikas and erase them, we leave enough of their features showing for people to know what was there, and instead trample it with the arrows.(edited)
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Kind the Ukrainians leaving the copses of invaders out on the road to make a point to the next ones who come along.
Yes, you were here.
We have taken our space back
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You trying to start an AIF chapter? We're in discussions about standardizing some of those materials but I can get you some emergency stuff if you need to get rolling now
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He’s doesn’t need to speak to us, if the people in this channel wish to help they don’t need our permission. It would be good if @Deleted User explained more about who the “Freedom Legion” are and what it is that they do
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Yeah you’re good
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The Freedom Legion’s manifesto doesn’t exactly align with the work that I’m interested in doing at this time, but there are others who might be willing to help.
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We do too, we just prioritize Antifascism and don’t work with tankies but rhetorically it’s a waste of breath and a poor prioritization to equate fascists who have attempted to overthrow the government to lefties who sometimes smash up a Starbucks
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If you have tips about fascist activities in your area we’d be glad to have it but as far as doing free labor and working tightly we can’t promise you anything nor will we stop anyone who does want to do so.
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This manifesto reads like you tried to take buzzwords from all sides and pack them in a single paragraph. I'm not sure if I'm being memed on or not lol
We're all getting our shit together, but there are aspects of your design that are going to be trouble for you. The black and yellow is owned by the PB at this point. You're going to be mistaken for them frequently and that is going to hurt your mission.
Also the site gives off an intimidating conspiratorial vibe. I feel like we're largely aligned based on what I've read... but there are features of your site that scare me and I'm not sure if they are simply design issues or if they indicate some sort of a deeper ideological rift.
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Like, I think I'm a pretty badass dude, but I feel a bit shaken after taking a look around that site, even though you're basically saying shit I agree with.
Like, the Iron Front was a political party with a history of fighting fascists to try to save democracy. That history is something I can anchor myself to when thinking about the AIF. That history is 'the receipts' that prove we are who we say we are.
I look at you guys and you're saying a lot of stuff that resonates with me... but there is no established history to anchor you to. I don't really know who you are. Sure, your site says you're against pedophilia, but what does that really mean? There is a whole movement of people who've weaponized baseless accusations of pedophilia into a broad conspiracy designed to target an entire political party. Not only does that have terrifying implications for democracy, it also takes attention and resources away from fighting actual pedophilia.
I don't know what it means, all I have is a hostile looking website that makes me feel like I'm being attacked by hornets.(edited)
Honestly, I think you've seen a lot of the same shit going on that we have and are just trying to find your own way to fight it.
5:55 PM
But the way you're approaching it is going to hinder you.
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Most of us here are kitted out for a scrap too, but we're leaning into unity and positive civic engagement as hard as we can because we know just how bad things are going to get if we don't.
I didn't quite know what to make of his thing, and that's kind of what makes it unsettling. It was like an uncanny valley version of the Iron Front, a different path that like minded people might forge in isolation. I could see us going down that path as well with the wrong leadership and culture. That's one of the reasons I've become so engaged so quickly. I wanted to help steer our culture away from becoming that kind of thing.
@MisterStompy Design tip!
When you have text that is the same color as the background, you need more space between it and the edge of the shape it is inside of. If you make all the arrows thicker, the text won't have the illusion of visual bleed into the space around them.
Suggestions:
Add something about supporting immigrants to the support/protect
Add something about housing being a human right to the "we believe" section.
Center the logo and text on the front "flap".
These are just suggestions, I'll take no offence if they are not taken.(edited)
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The whole thing is great overall. I love that it looks good in grayscale.
Eightman
Suggestions:
Add something about supporting immigrants to the support/protect
Add something about housing being a human right to the "we believe" section.
Center the logo and text on the front "flap".
These are just suggestions, I'll take no offence if they are not taken. (edited)
Look I think most people here can get onboard with a social Democratic program, I also think there’s a point at which economics is too abstract and irrelevant to the fash
Honestly I think letting groups like the DSA focus on pushing socialist agendas would be better. Fascist/reactionaries are not actively taking peoples homes away but they are taking LGBT+ rights away and promoting violence against minorities while limiting voting rights. That should be easy to convince people of while not really getting distracted on discussing the viability of an economic system. FYI i love puppies too
Oh yeah i understand. Also, picking the wrong language could alienate allies that we could work with. If a real conservative wanted to work with us i dont think they should feel like they dont belong if they want to help save democracy
8:41 PM
I say "real conservative" because i dont consider many in the Republican party are actually conservative but much further down the line
I came up with an idea. You know how the original three arrows were used to deface propaganda? Well we should make a design that could be printed on clear stickers that could be used in the same way to slap over other stickers. Like if the center blue background was transparent instead.
I came up with an idea. You know how the original three arrows were used to deface propaganda? Well we should make a design that could be printed on clear stickers that could be used in the same way to slap over other stickers. Like if the center blue background was transparent instead.
My printer fucked up but here are some transparent stickers.
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I came up with an idea. You know how the original three arrows were used to deface propaganda? Well we should make a design that could be printed on clear stickers that could be used in the same way to slap over other stickers. Like if the center blue background was transparent instead.
@Snaggy I believe the intent isn't just covering but creating giant graffiti and street art. Not that it wouldn't cover effectively. A clever person could even make three linked together so that drawing all three arrows at once could be possible.
Marusya
If you have a printer, buy transparent sticker paper and print them off.
Yep. Make sure to look at the label on the sticker paper, but I bought the transparent paper at a local craft store. The ones I printed out were with an inkjet printer. Works like a charm.
The arrows to the bottom left mean that we're like social democrats or in the bottom left sphere, the 3 arrows represent different enemies we are against, fascism, authoritarian statists(like auth socs or pat socs), and capitalists
1:28 PM
It's important as the bottom right the iconography can be misconstrued and utilized by like Minarchists(libertarians) for their stuff(edited)
Snaggy
The arrows to the bottom left mean that we're like social democrats or in the bottom left sphere, the 3 arrows represent different enemies we are against, fascism, authoritarian statists(like auth socs or pat socs), and capitalists
It's fine because it's just like a boggle, nothing too serious haha.
One thing though is since it's in a way like a don't tread on me flag remix doesn't the snake face the other way too?(edited)
I want to keep the critical thinking part, because I think lack thereof makes people fall into extreme viewpoints. I agree I should change it to resist fascism though
i have a denim jacket that i want to put something large and AIF on the back off, any suggestions on what to put? i could just look back into the chat and find some but i thought i would ask
For instance, we have some nice stuff on the Drive, but, say I wanted to post flyers or stickers on lamp posts or electrical poles. Would any of those really spell out who/what we are and how to engage with us?
thechromatograph3r
For instance, we have some nice stuff on the Drive, but, say I wanted to post flyers or stickers on lamp posts or electrical poles. Would any of those really spell out who/what we are and how to engage with us?
Yea. Something that has more of a "stand against fascism; join Iron Front" message than a "solidarity makes America great" or "alt-right not welcome here" message. See what I'm getting at?
I’m trying to assemble graphic designers. I’ll be posting on the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit later to see if I can find more. Would you want to work with other designers? Can I send people who need designs (e.g. flyers and stickers) made your way? Also, do you have examples of your work/a portfolio?
@YourFriendlyNeighborhoodHacker@Deleted User@Eightman@leo Hi, sorry for not reaching out sooner, I have finally gotten back to looking at intake. My team and I are performing a Human Resources role for the collaboration Discord. I'm @ ing you all because you've written that you do graphic design on your introductions. We are looking for graphic designers and leaders for a design strategy. Would any of you be willing to help with graphic design work? @leo You do A/V stuff too? Do you want to branch into that more?(edited)
You can let me and the Human Resources Team know you exist, and if people need help with graphic design then they’ll post here or I’ll send them to you.
Skullmaggot
You can let me and the Human Resources Team know you exist, and if people need help with graphic design then they’ll post here or I’ll send them to you.
@Kraite Do you need people for any sort of projects? Graphic designers? Writers? Do you need people to place/hand out flyers?(edited)
Skullmaggot
I’m trying to assemble graphic designers. I’ll be posting on the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit later to see if I can find more. Would you want to work with other designers? Can I send people who need designs (e.g. flyers and stickers) made your way? Also, do you have examples of your work/a portfolio?
Yeah, JohnBrosGhost told me that. That’s cool. You also do the Twitter, right? Do you have projects/desires for media expansion? Do you need people for anything? I’ve been meeting with users and collecting names and skills for the past month, along with the rest of my small Human Resources Team.
curcale
shout out to u/CathodeRayNoob on reddit for making these
Yeah, JohnBrosGhost told me that. That’s cool. You also do the Twitter, right? Do you have projects/desires for media expansion? Do you need people for anything? I’ve been meeting with users and collecting names and skills for the past month, along with the rest of my small Human Resources Team.
Using a couple big buzz words there. How about, the oil industry does not have a good track record for supporting democracy. Oil actively funds and bribes the fascists, and does everything in their power to protect their income, at the expense of society? This is true for most of the energy industry.
Regnion
Using a couple big buzz words there. How about, the oil industry does not have a good track record for supporting democracy. Oil actively funds and bribes the fascists, and does everything in their power to protect their income, at the expense of society? This is true for most of the energy industry.
Sorry if there are buzz words but it is the simplest way I can describe how Stephen F Austin favored genocide of Native Americans for their land in order to drill.
The Osage tribe in Oklahoma became spectacularly wealthy in the early 1900s — and then members started turning up dead. David Grann's Killers of the Flower Moon describes the dark plot against them.
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I am not a good graphic designer, so maybe you all can help with this. The idea is to have an AIF logo stencil that can be airbrushed, spray-painted, etc. My skills are limited to Powerpoint level editing, so here's where I'm at:
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Obviously it would be better if we could get those four blocks to be cut out of the file as transparent space
10:24 AM
Another idea I had would be to eliminate the circle around the arrows, to just have the 3 arrows as a stencil
So, I’m going to be networking as aggressively as I can. Normally we’ve been getting people from the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit. Would you like a post for finding other people in Northeast Ohio?
Skullmaggot
@possumtrot Want to help Steve Mike with the above?
So, the use cases for a stencil that I can think of would be 1.) covering up Nazi shit, and 2.) Decorating our own stuff, making quick signs for protests.
So for #1 maybe we make a few sizes that are the most common for all those fashy stickers. Maybe a 3" and 5" We should determine the most common sizes for stickers.
For #2, I think 12" or 18" would be good for a large protest sign.
So if we chose those 4 sizes or something similar, we could produce stencil packs of multiple sizes, in a durable plastic material. Shipping would be pretty cheap
12:49 PM
18" might be hard to fit in a mail envelope
12:49 PM
But even if you can come up with just the files, local groups might be able to print them off individually(edited)
12:51 PM
And resizing them locally for specific cases shouldn't be too hard
So, I’m going to be networking as aggressively as I can. Normally we’ve been getting people from the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit. Would you like a post for finding other people in Northeast Ohio?
Designs that incorporate the arrows are best.(edited)
8:16 PM
The three arrows are meant to be slapped onto things to deface them, so literally slapping them onto a flag is kind of saying the flag is fascist, you know? Needs to be integrated somehow.
Not every flag is going to be conducive to it, but sometimes the creative spark presents a solution.
Now try one for Massachusetts Maryland that doesn't break anything. (edited)
Not every flag is going to be conducive to it, but sometimes the creative spark presents a solution.
Now try one for Massachusetts Maryland that doesn't break anything. (edited)
Here's my feedback:
The first design that has the circle in three arrows is okay, but the orange and yellow and red get lost in each other due to the transparent negative space. It still has possibilities though.
I dig the second with the star and the blue arrows. The blue on the orange creates really nice contrast. You run into the same issue along the edge of the star where the orange and the red and the yellow are very similar in intensity and all warm colors, so you lose the top of the star a little bit.
The third and fourth designs work a bit better because the focus is so much more on the center, and you have less of the red and yellow to visually bleed into the orange star. The second star and arrows design works really well. I wonder if adding a concentric blue line around the star with a bit of negative space between it and the orange might make it stand out more?
I really dig the triangular design on the second flag. It looks really sharp. Even close up.
I feel like you could make the arrows a bit beefier on the sunflower design? I like that one as well though. The yellow and blue create a good contrast.
I think the Maryland one is really sharp and easily recognizable. I wonder what it would look like with a ring of color around the white with the Maryland flag design behind it, mimicking how you have the arrows. Or perhaps making the arrows a bit thicker. It still looks really good regardless.
I like both of the Iowa designs, and I really like the second one in particular. I would suggest trying a slightly darker hue of red, but other than that it looks really good.
Hi, we’re looking for bilingual/multilingual speakers who can help use type up distributable materials in multiple languages (Spanish, Mandarin, Vietnamese, etc.)!
There are several on the Google Drive. It's on the sidebar of the subreddit. Most of them have been around for awhile tho, so if you want some that are newer, there are some on here, or we can put out a call for new designs. I'm not skilled at GD, or I'd be making more myself.
@Kraite So, there’s the capacity to make stuff (e.g. flyers) in multiple languages. @RedMoonWarrior here knows Mandarin.
6:09 PM
Who’s been doing the Spanish stuff?
Eightman
Here's my feedback:
The first design that has the circle in three arrows is okay, but the orange and yellow and red get lost in each other due to the transparent negative space. It still has possibilities though.
I dig the second with the star and the blue arrows. The blue on the orange creates really nice contrast. You run into the same issue along the edge of the star where the orange and the red and the yellow are very similar in intensity and all warm colors, so you lose the top of the star a little bit.
The third and fourth designs work a bit better because the focus is so much more on the center, and you have less of the red and yellow to visually bleed into the orange star. The second star and arrows design works really well. I wonder if adding a concentric blue line around the star with a bit of negative space between it and the orange might make it stand out more?
I really dig the triangular design on the second flag. It looks really sharp. Even close up.
I feel like you could make the arrows a bit beefier on the sunflower design? I like that one as well though. The yellow and blue create a good contrast.
I think the Maryland one is really sharp and easily recognizable. I wonder what it would look like with a ring of color around the white with the Maryland flag design behind it, mimicking how you have the arrows. Or perhaps making the arrows a bit thicker. It still looks really good regardless.
I like both of the Iowa designs, and I really like the second one in particular. I would suggest trying a slightly darker hue of red, but other than that it looks really good.
anyone know the name of the font that's used on this idaho militia logo? i know for a fact that it's available on windows but sudddenly i can't find it anywhere
Seconded. The design itself looks badass - Maybe a cool bumper sticker to subvert expectations of fellow motorists (not sure id wear it as a patch tho bc it looks very Patriot Front)(edited)
Can anybody here make a shitty boomer meme pushing this narrative (don't vote desantis he's part of the deep state) to proliferate on Facebook for trolling/psyop purposes?
@possumtrot I think we're going to start translating a few flyers on the subreddit into Mandarin with the help of @RedMoonWarrior . It looks like a big job, so I'll see if I can also get some more graphic designers.
Same here. I think we’ll stick to established fonts. RedMoonWarrior will look at the flyers for revisions before we would publish them. It’s also the case that existing flyers appeal much more to Whites, where it would be more useful to have imagery that would appeal to Chinese Americans. (For example, in California use Golden Gate imagery.)
I took all your suggestions into account and redid this one a bit. Does the design itself still seem fashy? Remember that the original idea was to take the piss out of the idaho militia, which is why it looks the way it does(edited)
2:18 PM
inverted colors; let me know if there are other color schemes i should consider(edited)
2:21 PM
also, if the design is okay, if anyone wants a variation for their state let me know(edited)
JB
I took all your suggestions into account and redid this one a bit. Does the design itself still seem fashy? Remember that the original idea was to take the piss out of the idaho militia, which is why it looks the way it does (edited)
This is nice. I would try using the same color scheme as the original 3-percenters logo, that way at first glance it looks like one of theirs, but then you read it and go "wait a minute" Like how parodies of famous brands are in the same style and color, but the text is different(edited)
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I’m just a translator. But I can give it some thought.
Steve Mike
This is nice. I would try using the same color scheme as the original 3-percenters logo, that way at first glance it looks like one of theirs, but then you read it and go "wait a minute" Like how parodies of famous brands are in the same style and color, but the text is different (edited)
Here is a crude mockup of the translated Lady Liberty poster that I have edited to remove the hilarious typo.
I have attempted to follow the spirit of the original poster by preserving the three rows of joined nouns, giving us:
to American
all people Iron
Front
with
freedom
and
Justice
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I took all your suggestions into account and redid this one a bit. Does the design itself still seem fashy? Remember that the original idea was to take the piss out of the idaho militia, which is why it looks the way it does (edited)
Yeah. I've got a draft of the text/layout I can share if you want to see what I'm thinking. I'd definitely love a second set of eyes for editorial stuff too, not just graphics
Yeah! Thanks for all your help. If you're looking for another thing to work on, I'd love to get the qr code on more of the classic/non-issue-specific iron front flyers eventually so we can hand them out at MA events.
@possumtrot Hi, I've gotten the go-ahead to ramp up a few things. I'm going to eventually put in a project manager for a graphic design team, just someone who I can have organize graphic designers. We're also going to do a website and graphic design help would be appreciated on that if you're still active and interested.
So, right now, people are figuring out how to do a website on the #web-development channel. 444aidan is a web developer and could use help. Steve Mike is project manager, and curcale is helping out with ideas. If you have questions and I’m not available, refer to curcale or C.J.
@joe hill’s revenge@austinwiltshire Hiya! I’m introducing vibeshifter, who has been coming up with all sorts of good ideas and wants to get a flyer drive going. They’re in New Jersey looking to make connections and do some student organizing. Austinwiltshire, you’re moving to Maryland, maybe? How’s that been? You looking for a house or apartment?
@here So, I'm looking to establish a project manager for a Graphic Design Team. This could be a bigger role because I would need the project manager to be able to find and guide graphic designers towards project goals as well as keep a team together during downtime. I think at the moment we don't have too many regular graphic designers. I need to put time into finding more. I apologize for the wait but things will be ramping up now.(edited)
Oh, I've seen the black and red used commonly by anti fascists. The fleur de lis is common in Louisville, New Orleans, other places with French heritage
8:50 PM
Might actually have French monarchies vibes, but the idea is putting an anti fascist spin on a common symbol people are used to seeing
Got a request for some help with the website:
On the home page, in the image carousel that scrolls through the flyers, we want to replace those with powerful photos, both historical and current, of resistance, protest, etc. Emotionally charged images to inspire and motivate people. Black and white or color. What should we add? Post images here you'd like to see on the home page!
http://ironfrontusa.org
That's a good point. We have to have permission from the owners unless the image is in the public domain or has a creative commons license allowing use. To make sure we cover our asses, how about we all include the URL when you find a good photo to use and I'll make sure we have permission
Honestly, don't know how I feel about it. But here it is in red anyway (edited)
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Also made this because I wanted my own T-shirt. Recreated his custom sharp's rifle in Illustrator. Can we make John Brown one of our American Iron Front Patron Saints?
That could be ok still, we just need to see what kind of license the owner is using. You can send me the link to where you found them and I'll investigate
Also made this because I wanted my own T-shirt. Recreated his custom sharp's rifle in Illustrator. Can we make John Brown one of our American Iron Front Patron Saints?
Totally agree. Recently moved to Ohio, which has a rich history of anti-slavers, Confederate slayers, and heroes of the civil rights, so on. This state desperately needs a reminder of that.
Heey I’m looking to have a couple Canadian Iron Front images I can post on my startup instagram page, I can send someone money or even Ethereum if they can make a few images for me. I just don’t want to use google images and then run into conflict later for using someone else’s images
Here are the fonts and colors used on the website http://ironfrontusa.org
In case you all want to match them with other content you create
Fonts:
"LinLibertine_aDRS" - body text - Font used in the paragraphs
"BebasNeue-Bold" - header text - Font used for titles of sections
Colors:
rgb(72, 61, 139) "Dark Slate Blue" - Banner color
rgb(60, 59, 110) - text hyperlink color (matches the blue in the flag)
rgb(255, 255, 255) - full white for text in banner
The trouble I have with combining the Iron Front logo with other stuff is how the three arrows are so frequently used over top of other things (like swastikas) that anything like this feels like the arrows are being used against the thing you're trying to combine with
I'm going to make a few versions to see how they look with the shield, so it won't be the three arrows alone. I'm going for a message of reproductive rights being an anti-fascist ideal.
But Gadsen is generally appropriated by terrible people for the worst reasons. I still have the files though, so I could get in and change the flag relatively easily.(edited)
I had an idea a while back of the eagle flying and pointing the arrows at something (perhaps a swastika), or piercing something with them, but still holding the olive branch in the other talon
11:10 PM
Never got around to making it
11:11 PM
This is really good though. Someone who isn't familiar with the three arrows might not even notice it, but that's not necessarily a bad thing either. It's more subtle
Has anybody made a Betsy Ross flag with the three arrows in the center of the ring of stars? I think it could look good. If not, I'll make some versions of it later
knuckles
Has anybody made a Betsy Ross flag with the three arrows in the center of the ring of stars? I think it could look good. If not, I'll make some versions of it later
@horhay Canva is good for a quick start, and Adobe is the gold standard. Inkscape is a great free option, if less intuitive and powerful than Illustrator.
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Krita is fine for photo stuff and some digital painting, considering it's free.
Ok I have a random mystery that maybe y'all will be able to help me solve. What's up with the Pitchfork media logo? Is it intentional that it's so similar to the Iron Front arrows? I've been searching online and haven't found anything yet. Like... Did their designers do it on purpose? I can't imagine they wouldn't be aware of the significance...
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Putting this in here to remind myself to design a bumper sticker in the style of “legalize it” but with three arrows instead of a pot leaf and “normalize it” as the text
It’s actually not bad depending on who you hang out with considering I’m more of a rural guy, there’s definitely more activism going on Vancouver/Victoria and the island compared to where I’m at
I ought to reach out more to antifascist groups in other countries, especially Canada and Europe. There was a Qanon plot to replace the government in Germany that was foiled, if you’ve seen that in the news.
Skullmaggot
I ought to reach out more to antifascist groups in other countries, especially Canada and Europe. There was a Qanon plot to replace the government in Germany that was foiled, if you’ve seen that in the news.
Yeah I saw that, the “Wexit” movement and the sov-cit movement (ancaps) want to separate west Canada into its own conservative sovereign body, backed by far right militants
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BC is the only left leaning province of the 4 western provinces, the rest are hotbeds for fascists
That’s a pretty interesting experience. My town used to be a cowtown and still does plenty of agriculture but has only in the last couple years gotten some affordable housing and with it come in more ethnicities. We for some reason have a decent Asian population but no Asian grocery, so I end up going to a nearby town to stock up on supplies. And, it’s not even a Southeast Asian grocery but an East Asian one (and there’s also South Asian groceries I go to). I guess it’s a little weird but the culture of my town is White+Chinese+Vietnamese+Indian+Mexican built on the backs of cowboys, now with new peoples rolling in. We’re the smallest town for miles but our county punches above its weight in terms of diversity. Far cry from the cities, though. Cities never feel natural for me in terms of just no green spaces.
8:51 PM
My town’s suburban now but I’ve always lived in a multicultural pocket.
provided, it kinda grew into a Suburban town later but growing up while it wasn't necessarily the worse, there was issues with discrimination and some right wing fuckery until basically the population of the surrounding cities/towns started to affect it more seriously. But it requires more or less said small town forced to adapt or get absorbed by the other areas
8:57 PM
but considering the outskirts of said town are still red as alabama...in a sea of purple-blue
8:57 PM
yeah I'm not one for rural small town experiences
8:58 PM
I don't see it in a romantic light. Almost the polar opposite in fact
Where I’m from is all corn but the corn is for animal feed and groceries are expensive enough that it’s cheaper for me to drive 15 mins to the next town for groceries
We got orchards and strawberries and cows over here. Corn is on the other side of the hill. My sister learned how to ride horseback in middle school, but I never had the inclination. Do they have horses in Canadian ranches? @Aces high Farms are exploitative. Seasonal laborers are underpaid. Good food though at the market. But if we’re just talking about aesthetics, it’s not like I’m in love with the country (though I do enjoy the outdoors sometimes), it’s more that cities feel claustrophobic, move around too busily, and smell weird :D. And there’s a more overt homeless problem. And the food’s too expensive. I think I’d just be super stressed being in a city too long.
Skullmaggot
We got orchards and strawberries and cows over here. Corn is on the other side of the hill. My sister learned how to ride horseback in middle school, but I never had the inclination. Do they have horses in Canadian ranches? @Aces high Farms are exploitative. Seasonal laborers are underpaid. Good food though at the market. But if we’re just talking about aesthetics, it’s not like I’m in love with the country (though I do enjoy the outdoors sometimes), it’s more that cities feel claustrophobic, move around too busily, and smell weird :D. And there’s a more overt homeless problem. And the food’s too expensive. I think I’d just be super stressed being in a city too long.
Yeah, I've never been to a rodeo either, not my thing.
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We got orchards and strawberries and cows over here. Corn is on the other side of the hill. My sister learned how to ride horseback in middle school, but I never had the inclination. Do they have horses in Canadian ranches? @Aces high Farms are exploitative. Seasonal laborers are underpaid. Good food though at the market. But if we’re just talking about aesthetics, it’s not like I’m in love with the country (though I do enjoy the outdoors sometimes), it’s more that cities feel claustrophobic, move around too busily, and smell weird :D. And there’s a more overt homeless problem. And the food’s too expensive. I think I’d just be super stressed being in a city too long.
@spacewolf05 hey! And welcome! We've got some awesome artists here. You can scroll back through and see what they've made to get a feel for what others are working on. I think right now I think our biggest needs are:
1. Flyers, especially flyers for specific states and more specific issues (pro trans rights, pro gay rights, pro-abortion, pro indigenous sovereignty, anti-racism)
2. Social media avatars and banners for state chapters
3. Any other anti-fascist art you wanna make, we'd love to share it on our social media and/or turn it into flyers!
7:20 AM
Also other folks please chime in if I missed other types of stuff we're looking for currently
Hey! Does anyone want to help me design a visually-appealing informational flyer? Someone with experience in infographics or the like might be the best fit if that helps give a sense.
kill fascism. while i don’t necessarily disagree, our movement needs to maintain legitimacy via not advocating violence. it’s also just a bit too jarring. Thanks, though!(edited)
I've been trying to come up with a stylized/graffiti letter AIF logos wherein the letters and arrows are combined. But every time, my F looks like an E.
So here's a little challenge: who can draw an F that has an arrow as the vertical line or merging with the vertical line, in a way that it works but be read as the letter E, using only black lines?(edited)
Eightman
I've been trying to come up with a stylized/graffiti letter AIF logos wherein the letters and arrows are combined. But every time, my F looks like an E.
So here's a little challenge: who can draw an F that has an arrow as the vertical line or merging with the vertical line, in a way that it works but be read as the letter E, using only black lines? (edited)
I was confused too. I like bringing back the Iron Front in a modern context. It feels like the right spirit to bring to the fight. But we should be mindful that people who don’t already have that context will jump to alarming conclusions when they hear “Iron Front”
And thank you for making the Captain America imagery explicit — I vaguely noticed the resemblance but didn’t think through exactly how appropriate that makes it
maybe we should do a thing where people design a new symbol that’s derivative or similar to the three arrows and the server votes on a winner? or maybe even a whole new thing
5:57 PM
we can obv maintain the iron front symbol for action but we need a more… palatable symbol, as well
As a general matter, I’d prefer to delegate the task of choosing a logo or logos to folks who have experience in PR, communications and graphic design
But I don’t know that this is an issue at all right now anyway
Expertise is good for creation, but decision making of something that will define our movement should be by the members of it. Can you elaborate on the downsides of a popular vote?(edited)
Expertise is good for creation, but decision making of something that will define our movement should be by the members of it. Can you elaborate on the downsides of a popular vote? (edited)
Choosing a logo to symbolize an organization is a form of communication. It’s a very specific style of communication, and being effective in it requires understanding how people process visual information and having a good grasp of what existing images mean to the reader. It’s not a skill that everyone is equally good at, and — more importantly — it’s not one that everyone is equally good at evaluating. The collective is just as likely to get this wrong as to get it right. Perhaps more likely.
Anyway, like I said, it’s not clear to me that this is an issue at all right now. But I would prefer to leave symbol design to people with demonstrated expertise.
if I understand what you mean, by putting a circular image on a transparent background?
topaz
Choosing a logo to symbolize an organization is a form of communication. It’s a very specific style of communication, and being effective in it requires understanding how people process visual information and having a good grasp of what existing images mean to the reader. It’s not a skill that everyone is equally good at, and — more importantly — it’s not one that everyone is equally good at evaluating. The collective is just as likely to get this wrong as to get it right. Perhaps more likely.
Anyway, like I said, it’s not clear to me that this is an issue at all right now. But I would prefer to leave symbol design to people with demonstrated expertise.
Here is an elitism scared of the people. People not in school might have drawn something more relevant than what you drew. Elitist. Letting it go, let’s diversity strengths become the organization.
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topaz
if I understand what you mean, by putting a circular image on a transparent background?
Here is an elitism scared of the people. People not in school might have drawn something more relevant than what you drew. Elitist. Letting it go, let’s diversity strengths become the organization.
This. I see literally zero harm in allowing everyone to participate in both production and choosing our symbol, as we will both have the capabilities of those who are more skilled, and the more diverse perspectives, skills, and knowledge of the wider community.
ahhh, no clue about that then. watch for the off-color blotch below the woman’s hand
vitaminWee
Here is an elitism scared of the people. People not in school might have drawn something more relevant than what you drew. Elitist. Letting it go, let’s diversity strengths become the organization.
I particularly thought defining for others how the public is unskilled a couple ways was an untruth but about anxiety to keep a special club of influence for the special people. It is possible people get the school degree merit badge but less so the skill. Defining to others that a large group of people is incapable feels creepy to me. When it comes to hammering out decisions, inclusion works and thoroughly I’d there’s structured inclusion of all heads. ↙️ ↙️ ↙️ ( the text below is not from me but a copy paste of the text I’m talking about )(edited)
I think some people have skill and experience with, say, handling firearms and some people do not. If we were in a group that was making decisions about how firearms should be handled and stored, I would want the people with more expertise at handling firearms to make those decisions.
PR is not a life-or-death skill the way firearms handling is, but it is nonetheless a skill that people can learn, and some people are better at than others. I don't consider myself to have this skill. That doesn't mean that I can't learn it. But it does mean that, until I do, I probably shouldn't be making decisions about PR or communications for the group. I don't really see why this is controversial.
@topaz do you think you could add a rocker to this which says “ American Iron Front”? Sorry for inundating you with requests but I’m planning on slapping a few of these around and I want people to know the org
A curved box with lettering usually a radius that suggests it would form a circle around the image in the center. Literally because it resembles rocking chair rockers.(edited)
That would work with Idaho... but not for longer name states. I'd just stick with state name and leave the space blank, the border will fill the space enough.
@Braakinthesaddle Could one of y'all possibly make a channel dedicated to storing these stickers and stuff? Somewhere that they can be put down without discussion hiding them through eons of scrolling.
floppunism [BOI, ID]
@Braakinthesaddle Could one of y'all possibly make a channel dedicated to storing these stickers and stuff? Somewhere that they can be put down without discussion hiding them through eons of scrolling.
Excuse me if this is slightly off-topic, but would anyone be willing to help me design something? I would do it myself, but I am terrible with graphic design. It’s nothing complicated.
AvoidOblivion
Excuse me if this is slightly off-topic, but would anyone be willing to help me design something? I would do it myself, but I am terrible with graphic design. It’s nothing complicated.
I’m looking for the Iron Front logo, specifically like the one attached.
I’d like the words “WELL I KNOW WHAT’S RIGHT” wrapped along the top, and “I GOT JUST ONE LIFE” wrapped along the bottom. Looking to sort of pull a Fetterman.
yeah buddy! I've got that song stuck in my head now. Petty was a legend
7:40 AM
If anyone wants to make these kinds of things, it's super easy. Inkscape is a free software similar to Adobe Illustrator. Here's a tutorial on how to make text "rockers"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFZXgBtNlg
If anyone wants to make these kinds of things, it's super easy. Inkscape is a free software similar to Adobe Illustrator. Here's a tutorial on how to make text "rockers"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFZXgBtNlg
If I can suggest you a software to make some graphical designs it would be paint.net (not the actual website, be careful)
It is free, as easy to use as Microsoft paint, as powerful as photoshop, and you can use add-ons for more possibilities.(edited)
Nice I'll do an update to the Resources page tomorrow, I'll add those and some of the other things posted recently. Lots of good work lately everybody!
Not at all... it is important for all citizens to point out the flaws and evil in their own government. Otherwise they condone the actions of that government.
And if you condone the actions of the government of the United States of America... you are fascist.
That would be true if the flag exclusively represented the government
8:31 PM
I mis-phrased that
8:32 PM
I mean that patriotism and patriotic symbolism are core to our group, so having a bayonet through the US flag is mixed messaging. The flag represents the people, the nation as an idea, and the ideals we strive to achieve as well as the government
If you want to avoid conflating the people with the government you could try replacing the american flag with the great seal, as the seal is still recognizable but isn't a symbol that represents the population at large
Spinner
Not at all... it is important for all citizens to point out the flaws and evil in their own government. Otherwise they condone the actions of that government.
And if you condone the actions of the government of the United States of America... you are fascist.
Plus, this is generalization at its worst. There IS much to be opposed to the US government on and about, I'll agree with that much, but generalizing anyone that supports the US government as fascist is not a way an organization makes friends. Because I can guarantee that there are supporters of the Federal government that aren't fascist.
I'm pretty well aware of US History, and the vast majority of the choices made by the Federal Government through it's existence (and of our founders prior to) are pretty fucking atrocious.
What it means to be "American" is a lie... a figurative whitewashing of the vile shit we've done through our entire history.
And, we've only been walking backward most of my 46 years on this planet.
Police are killing more people in extrajudicial murder with Less accountability.
Corporations are impoverishing more people, not less.
People are dying of totally treatable medical conditions (mostly caused by corporations feeding them poison) because they don't have access to health care.
Fascists aren't just celebrities flying to other countries to export the idea or taking white kids aside and teaching them the "others" are the cause of their trouble... they are literally in congress now and openly fascist.
These are all features, not side effects.
And none of that addresses the literally dozens or hundreds of millions of people our government knowingly killed through slavery and genocide, the land taken from people, the rapes, the murders, the beatings...
The wealth of the nation was built if not on slavery alone... then using wage slavery and horrific working conditions.
Listen... I served this fucking country... nearly died following it's orders. I lost 6 friends who died following it's orders. I joined because I believed there was redemption to be found in spite of the horror.
26 years after getting out... what I've seen has only proven one thing.
The atrocities, the hate, the two party system, it's all a feature... not a byproduct.
It's a feature intentionally used to keep the people from uniting to create a better way for themselves.
I give a fuck about the people of the US. Not the fucking government. Because they prove time and time again they don't give a fuck about us.
9:13 PM
And The PEOPLE of the US is the America we should be concerned with protecting, and elevating. Not the fucking millionaires in congress or the White House.
All I'm going to say on this is the same thing I said before:
I joined because I am loyal to the idea of America, a land where all are equal and free from tyranny.
If the government has ceased being loyal to that idea, than I agree they should be booted out of power.
They do not represent what that flag was meant to represent and they should be kicked out.
I absolutely refuse to burn down an entire country and the ideals it was meant to represent simply because a few jackasses in suits decided to abuse their positions.
Ok, but I don't think anyone here was trying to protect the millionaires or the government. The point that a bunch of people above you were saying is that to most americans the american flag represents more than just the government, it also represents the people and america in it's entirety. Making a design that is showing someone attacking the flag will be interpreted by the average passerby as an attack on them, even if they themselves hate the government, because they are included under that flag.
Sure, I think a huge portion of what runs america, both the government and the businesses, is rotten to the core, but a flyer is supposed to attract those outside the group, not merely reaffirm the beliefs of those already committed to the cause.
If the government has ceased holding "...these truths to be self-evident that all men (and women) are created equal", then it is up to us to either make them or remove them from power.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
All I'm going to say on this is the same thing I said before:
I joined because I am loyal to the idea of America, a land where all are equal and free from tyranny.
If the government has ceased being loyal to that idea, than I agree they should be booted out of power.
They do not represent what that flag was meant to represent and they should be kicked out.
I absolutely refuse to burn down an entire country and the ideals it was meant to represent simply because a few jackasses in suits decided to abuse their positions.
Never have I ever said anything to the effect of "burn down an entire country"
Even if I don't think the "ideals" were ever meant to be pursued and were only ever a means of brainwashing people through clever marketing.
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
If the government has ceased holding "...these truths to be self-evident that all men (and women) are created equal", then it is up to us to either make them or remove them from power.
I agree in principle even if I don't hold your belief that the founders ever intended to make good on pursuing those "truths".
LordHengar
Ok, but I don't think anyone here was trying to protect the millionaires or the government. The point that a bunch of people above you were saying is that to most americans the american flag represents more than just the government, it also represents the people and america in it's entirety. Making a design that is showing someone attacking the flag will be interpreted by the average passerby as an attack on them, even if they themselves hate the government, because they are included under that flag.
Sure, I think a huge portion of what runs america, both the government and the businesses, is rotten to the core, but a flyer is supposed to attract those outside the group, not merely reaffirm the beliefs of those already committed to the cause.
We use symbols all the time, their meaning changes as we change... and we find out what they meant as we learn.
That symbol is one that meant freedom for white men to profit off poorer white men, women, and slaves without a king taking a portion of it.
Our country has done FAR worse to us in the time that flag has flown than King George ever did to the colonists who massacred millions of people.
Now I don't go around burning it because I agree it sends the wrong message. I don't go around posting the image that sparked this for the same reasons.
But here, among fellow anti-fascists. It's important that we don't delude ourselves in thinking that flag means anything but corporate greed at the expense of anyone who would stand in their way.
10:14 PM
Yes there are people who are still deluded by the propaganda of the state that this is supposed to be a free country.
It takes baby steps to spoon feed them into waking the fuck up.
But ain't no one here supposed to be that asleep.
The flag means a lot more than that. It is the purpose of this specific type of anti-fascist group
Spinner
We use symbols all the time, their meaning changes as we change... and we find out what they meant as we learn.
That symbol is one that meant freedom for white men to profit off poorer white men, women, and slaves without a king taking a portion of it.
Our country has done FAR worse to us in the time that flag has flown than King George ever did to the colonists who massacred millions of people.
Now I don't go around burning it because I agree it sends the wrong message. I don't go around posting the image that sparked this for the same reasons.
But here, among fellow anti-fascists. It's important that we don't delude ourselves in thinking that flag means anything but corporate greed at the expense of anyone who would stand in their way.
Did you fucking read any of what I just said? If that symbol has been corrupted, then it is up to us to take it back from those who corrupted it and, as MLK said, "make real the promise of democracy.".
And did you seriously just say that England AKA: the people that colonized and enslaved half the fucking world didn't do anything as bad as we did?
10:24 PM
But hey, I know nothing because I'm "asleep", whatever the fuck that means.
Like I said before, the flag represents the people, the nation and the ideals as well. Just because we have not lived up to our ideals yet does not make it evil or hypocritical or whatever else. It is simply what we strive to achieve
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Did you fucking read any of what I just said? If that symbol has been corrupted, then it is up to us to take it back from those who corrupted it and, as MLK said, "make real the promise of democracy.".
And did you seriously just say that England AKA: the people that colonized and enslaved half the fucking world didn't do anything as bad as we did?
To the people of the American colonies that rebelled against them... no they didn't do even a quarter of the shit that the US Federal Government has done to the people of the states that came of that rebellion. The most that happened to the colonists was some were pressed into naval service, and a few were killed when a kid got hit by a rock and fired a shot into a crowd that was already violent. Oh but the real sin King George did was demand taxes from the wealthy without providing direct representation... to the wealthy.
Absolutely outside of the US they are possibly the greatest example of evil to befall the earth in the form of imperialism.
But in the American Colonies about the worst they did was cut into the profits of the wealthy. (Hell the British even treated the native Americans better than the colonists did, ever wonder why many tribes of Native Americans supported the British in both the revolutionary war and the War of 1812?)
Don't mistake my pointing out that King George was a relative saint to American Colonists compared to the evils he condoned elsewhere and the evils the colonists and later US Government enacted.(edited)
10:59 PM
Use the flag if you want. In public I'm not going to shit on you for it.
But I'm certainly not going to sit here and pretend that it means what you think it means after 4+ decades of witnessing how it represents corpo-fascism.
10:59 PM
And is quickly becoming a flag of christo-fascists as well.
As far as taking symbols back.
About the only thing I can find Buddhists doing with the swastika is raising awareness that it was stolen from them and corrupted.
And their symbol started off entirely good. Unlike ours which started off with enslaving women and Africans, and enacting genocide against indigenous people.
11:19 PM
And went on to slaughter tens of thousands of people in Central and South America purely to create regime change that would allow wealthy US profiteers to grow produce to ship to the US using effectively slave labor.
And... and... and... and...
There literally has not been a point in our history with the exception of WWII (which we were dragged into kicking and screaming like whiny babies, and we created by exporting the concept of fascism to Germany and Italy), when we have actively fought for the ideals we've been duped into believing that flag stands for.
11:21 PM
Unlike the swastika which has thousands of years of history of being meant as a good luck/well being symbol. There is literally more argument for Bhuddhists to take that back than us taking back the US Flag.
Since we do not agree on what the US means, can we at least agree that the principles it was originally founded upon of all being equal and free from tyranny should be upheld?
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11:58 PM
Regardless of whether it flies under an old or new banner?(edited)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy
Since we do not agree on what the US means, can we at least agree that the principles it was originally founded upon of all being equal and free from tyranny should be upheld?
Has there been any doubt as to my position on whether or not people should be equal and free from tyranny? We just disagree on the belief that the country was founded on those principles. I don't believe it was because there is no evidence in action that it was anything more than a fancy line that played well to the masses.
12:06 AM
I do think there were some folks back then who were actually that idealistic... Thomas Paine for one... some of Hamilton's retinue... Maybe even Hamilton and Adams (even if he was a shit father).
12:10 AM
But Adams even wrote about the hypocrisy of the Declaration in letters to his wife... well to be honest Abigail brought it up first in the letters, but he pointed out that going against the rest of the people on such things would be the end of all progress at the convention. So even our founders capitulated to a default of slavery of women and people of color.
Hello! A friend designed this and I wanted to get peoples thoughts.
3%er arrows turned into Iron Front arrows.For antifascists who do organizing focused more around Collective Armed work,prepping, ect
The symbolism comes from a historical myth, something like "only 3% of colonists rose up against the British" or "only 3% of colonists were armed" iirc
10:36 PM
It looks nice. A little weird on ancom background tho. Try one that's all black background and see how it looks
I don’t like comparisons to hitler even if it’s apt. The political moderate, the person we want such a graphic to influence, will scoff and say “That would never happen in America”(edited)
4:50 PM
And then those who do want him in power will be able to say “Look at those antifascist lunatics comparing him to hitler, can you really trust them if they make such wild claims?”
I have setup a Belgian Iron Front Facebook page quickly + a link.tree
10:19 AM
and I made these to make some sort of flyer to hand to people that might be protesting there
10:22 AM
10:22 AM
It's something like that, front and back
10:22 AM
it's very crude and I need help on how to make it better but I have 0 idea how to, but the basic ideas are there
10:23 AM
it would approximately be the size of a bank card, so that people can easily place it in their wallet
10:24 AM
since it might take time to print, I would like to have it finished by tomorrow since the debate is on thursday and my printing shop told me they would have to send it to the factory because they cant do it themselves on the spot
Made this one awhile back with the Alt National Forest Service’s rendition of Smokey Bear. Based org that unfortunately fell apart and I got the scan of the bear from. If anyone wants the pic of just Smokey, just ping me.
I’ve been digging my heels in with some native folks on discord trying to drum up anti fascist action on both sides of the border, what do y’all think of my ancom anti fascist fusion of their symbol(edited)
I’ve been digging my heels in with some native folks on discord trying to drum up anti fascist action on both sides of the border, what do y’all think of my ancom anti fascist fusion of their symbol (edited)
We're looking at getting a proper graphic design team going, but Skullmaggot is simply too busy to properly manage one. Anyone willing to step up to the plate of managing a graphic design team?
could someone make a quick, simple iron front thing you could put on a shirt? I like our current design but it’s a bit too much and i don’t want myself being identified with the AIF name when i wear it
floppunism [BOI, ID]
could someone make a quick, simple iron front thing you could put on a shirt? I like our current design but it’s a bit too much and i don’t want myself being identified with the AIF name when i wear it
could someone make a quick, simple iron front thing you could put on a shirt? I like our current design but it’s a bit too much and i don’t want myself being identified with the AIF name when i wear it
The unisex heavy cotton tee is the basic staple of any wardrobe. The specially spun fibers provide a smooth surface for premium printing vividity and sharpness. No side seams mean there are no itchy interruptions under the arms. The shoulders have tape for improved durability. .: 100% cotton (fiber content may vary for
5:30 PM
You'll find a bunch of stuff on there, all my own designs. The Iron Front T-Shirts come in Unisex (regular cut) and "Women's" fit, along with Unisex hoodies, cropped hoodies and badges.
If you like, I can put together a discount for members of this channel and anyone in the network, something like 10% off everything with code "AMERICANIF" ?
Alright, badass! I'll get the order sent through tonight. If there's anything else you like the look of, let me know and I'll make sure you're looked after
Its a school band! I go to a performing arts high school and graduate this year, every year we get to play at my city’s music festival and it’s awesome.
That's rad! I missed my chance with music - I got a BTech in Music Technology, decided to get in to Design instead, though I was in a band myself for a few years, just for the shits 'n giggles
8:35 PM
We played a few larger venues but nothing like a festival. I bet that's such a great buzz
hey guys, i cant @ the graphic design role but ill just put this here so you can see it. In the interest of organizing ourselves, I think we should all make https://cryptpad.fr/ accounts, so we can collaborate on projects more efficiently. I'm in the process of making a schedule spreadsheet to keep track of where we are on designs/whos doing what. skullmaggot suggested I use cryptpad, since it works a bit like google drive but is encrypted
Could someone make a trans version of the iron front flag? Seems like we're focusing a lot on trans issues and it'd be nice. Something like the three arrows with a circle around it, and the circle has the same stripes as the trans pride flag. Maybe have the arrows have the pink, white, and blue of the flag too? No clue if that would look good with only three arrows, though.
The unisex heavy cotton tee is the basic staple of any wardrobe. The specially spun fibers provide a smooth surface for premium printing vividity and sharpness. No side seams mean there are no itchy interruptions under the arms. The shoulders have tape for improved durability. .: 100% cotton (fiber content may vary for
Awesome! Well, at some point we have to talk about setting up a central vendor for the American Iron Front group. It'd be nice to see proceeds going directly to the cause. Do we have anyone on board who can print in-house? @Skullmaggot - wanted to copy you in on this in case you know anyone...(edited)
12:21 PM
I'm in talks this week with some investors, and I'm hoping to get setup myself by the end of this year, I just need the DTG equipment and some stock
hi i’m looking to gather people for a group chat about:
-propaganda
-psyops
-media pushes
-recruitment
We are looking for people with a skillset in:
-graphic design
-copywriting // writing
-tech (we can train if needed)
-people skills // communicators
-others (can’t list them all, but likely you would be able to help)
please add me as a friend // dm me // respond to this message if you’re interested
Awesome! Well, at some point we have to talk about setting up a central vendor for the American Iron Front group. It'd be nice to see proceeds going directly to the cause. Do we have anyone on board who can print in-house? @Skullmaggot - wanted to copy you in on this in case you know anyone... (edited)
I wanted to see if we can partner up with offcolordecals.com to make a starter kit. I haven't spoken with them at all yet, just looked at their website. They seem amiable. They need money to do anything, so it'll likely sink whoever contributes thousands of dollars for startup, I'm guessing. Althooooooooooooough, what do you have going on?(edited)
Kattt
hi i’m looking to gather people for a group chat about:
-propaganda
-psyops
-media pushes
-recruitment
We are looking for people with a skillset in:
-graphic design
-copywriting // writing
-tech (we can train if needed)
-people skills // communicators
-others (can’t list them all, but likely you would be able to help)
please add me as a friend // dm me // respond to this message if you’re interested
I've given usbt a list of people you can reach out to. You'd also want to check with people in #zine and pay attention to anyone coming through #introductions . I unfortunately don't know psyops or chaos monkey people as much. You could probably check immediately with Revolae and TheAnonymousDew for propaganda.
Kattt
hi i’m looking to gather people for a group chat about:
-propaganda
-psyops
-media pushes
-recruitment
We are looking for people with a skillset in:
-graphic design
-copywriting // writing
-tech (we can train if needed)
-people skills // communicators
-others (can’t list them all, but likely you would be able to help)
please add me as a friend // dm me // respond to this message if you’re interested
Creatives you might be interested in (not all might be active):
Just-in Time
eurycek
☈ ☈
Revolae
Xulff (haven’t spoken with them yet)
KASIZAH
spacewolf05
bat’koMakhno (photography, haven’t spoken with them yet)
Jessi (video editing)
franknfurtr2 (inactive?)
egaleagle (photography, inactive?)
Skullmaggot
Creatives you might be interested in (not all might be active):
Just-in Time
eurycek
☈ ☈
Revolae
Xulff (haven’t spoken with them yet)
KASIZAH
spacewolf05
bat’koMakhno (photography, haven’t spoken with them yet)
Jessi (video editing)
franknfurtr2 (inactive?)
egaleagle (photography, inactive?)
I'm also a graphic designer but I'm spending most of my time organizing. But if you have anything you need that can be done quick, feel free to hit me up.
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Skullmaggot
I'm also a graphic designer but I'm spending most of my time organizing. But if you have anything you need that can be done quick, feel free to hit me up.
I wanted to see if we can partner up with offcolordecals.com to make a starter kit. I haven't spoken with them at all yet, just looked at their website. They seem amiable. They need money to do anything, so it'll likely sink whoever contributes thousands of dollars for startup, I'm guessing. Althooooooooooooough, what do you have going on? (edited)
I'm in talks with local business advisors at WKU who are pretty confident they can get funding to get me started with print/production equipment and stock. I'll need a large format printer, a vinyl cutter, an embroidery machine, DTG machine and a heat press. If all goes well, I'll be setup to print and produce almost anything we need. Early days yet but watch this space.
hello!!! since a few of you have access to the graphic design folder in https://cryptpad.fr, I thought I'd start brainstorming projects with y'all in here. there's a group chat in progress, so if you want to join that please send @Kattt a friend request! @IIT0NE and @grAvity have already worked on logos and stuff, which is awesome, so I was thinking our first project while things are getting going could be some fliers to put around various cities?
since people in here are all over the place, it would be a good idea to make generic fliers, and also ones that can be edited to include specific calls to action for different places.
like having a section that references problems specific to wherever the person printing the flier is. it would be good for anyone who wants to call attention to local legislature, and rep iron front at the same time
awesome! if it's possible to put the files in the cryptopad folder that would be great, so we all have access. at this point i dont think we need the scheduling sheet, since we're starting small
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awesome! if it's possible to put the files in the cryptopad folder that would be great, so we all have access. at this point i dont think we need the scheduling sheet, since we're starting small
I don’t yet know, but I don’t think Cryptpad does image hosting or general files. (I could be completely wrong, I need to try it out.) There should be e2e encrypted image hosting sites but I have not investigated them yet. Google docs might be okay for some collaboration since graphic design can be fairly public anyway. Usually, though, I try to persuade people away from using Google if they’re trying to be secure or simply because people often forget to sign out of their personal emails and then we end up seeing their identities :/.
grAvity
played around with a logo for Libertarians who support the AIF
Wasn't able to speak, unfortunately. Ran out of time. Surprisingly few people for the bill and many pediatricians and similar experts against it, but it passed nonetheless.
2:02 PM
Went to a protest about it yesterday and a surprising amount of people showed up, got to do a bit of networking for that.
floppunism [BOI, ID]
Wasn't able to speak, unfortunately. Ran out of time. Surprisingly few people for the bill and many pediatricians and similar experts against it, but it passed nonetheless.
Gotta apologize my end for not being too active. Some personal issues have come up, plus I'm super busy trying to get a business off the ground. Nothing insurmountable, I'll just need some time, then I can sink my teeth into things here
Got my new printer dialled in nicely with expensive glossy paper, really excited about being able to do flyers now. QR code links to my activism instagram
I thought of something similar; it was the American Flag with the three bottom white stripes as the arrows extending from it piercing a confederate flag, a Nazi Flag, and some modern authoritarian symbol, and has the words “Sic Semper Tyrannis” one word in each stripe, with the words in blue; the flag would probably have to be at an angle to make it work, but it shouldn’t be too hard
Eazy8 Antifa Viking
I thought of something similar; it was the American Flag with the three bottom white stripes as the arrows extending from it piercing a confederate flag, a Nazi Flag, and some modern authoritarian symbol, and has the words “Sic Semper Tyrannis” one word in each stripe, with the words in blue; the flag would probably have to be at an angle to make it work, but it shouldn’t be too hard
I'd feel like "Sic Semper Tyrannis" might be a bit of mixed messaging there considering it's what John Wilkes Booth yelled when he shot Abraham Lincoln.
Also as a Norse Pagan wanting to reclaim the religion from Nazis, this looks fucking fantastic!!
DevilTheAutopoet
I'd feel like "Sic Semper Tyrannis" might be a bit of mixed messaging there considering it's what John Wilkes Booth yelled when he shot Abraham Lincoln.
What about "Critiquing White Supremacy". I feel like it needs to convey that they're not upset that we're talking about it, they're just upset we're talking about it in a negative light.
What about "Critiquing White Supremacy". I feel like it needs to convey that they're not upset that we're talking about it, they're just upset we're talking about it in a negative light.
Maybe “Examining”? It depends on the audience. If you’re trying to convince people on the fence, making people feel criticized will push them away towards people who will validate their feelings. People aren’t going to side with the people who are yelling at them or pointing out the flaws they don’t have the capacity to resolve. We ought to use carrots as well as sticks. An argument is not simply about ideas but about how to construct a series of arguments so that the blow of introspection is tolerable.
Skullmaggot
Maybe “Examining”? It depends on the audience. If you’re trying to convince people on the fence, making people feel criticized will push them away towards people who will validate their feelings. People aren’t going to side with the people who are yelling at them or pointing out the flaws they don’t have the capacity to resolve. We ought to use carrots as well as sticks. An argument is not simply about ideas but about how to construct a series of arguments so that the blow of introspection is tolerable.
Ok, but wouldn't the only ones who feel personally criticized by us rejecting or critiquing white supremacy already be white supremacists? Like, if you had put the term "whiteness" instead of "white supremacy" I would see what you mean by that, but in this case I don't think that stepping on eggshells is really necessary.
DevilTheAutopoet
Ok, but wouldn't the only ones who feel personally criticized by us rejecting or critiquing white supremacy already be white supremacists? Like, if you had put the term "whiteness" instead of "white supremacy" I would see what you mean by that, but in this case I don't think that stepping on eggshells is really necessary.
No, you’re right, they would be. But, we do have ex-alt-right people in here who were able to break from the pipeline of radicalism. People are still people, but I’m not stepping on eggshells for their sake. Stopping people requires either understanding how they think in detail to think of arguments to change their minds or organizing to more directly overpower them, which only addresses a problem superficially. If we knew in detail why people are fascist we can change the situation. What are fascist arguments and what are the bases of their beliefs?
Skullmaggot
No, you’re right, they would be. But, we do have ex-alt-right people in here who were able to break from the pipeline of radicalism. People are still people, but I’m not stepping on eggshells for their sake. Stopping people requires either understanding how they think in detail to think of arguments to change their minds or organizing to more directly overpower them, which only addresses a problem superficially. If we knew in detail why people are fascist we can change the situation. What are fascist arguments and what are the bases of their beliefs?
I understand that, but I was moreso taking the flyer as something directed at liberals and moderates. Someone who's already definitively on the right isn't likely to be swayed by a flyer like this. In fact, I can predict a number of bad faith arguments they would make to either reject outright or try to twist what it's saying into an attack on the left.(edited)
DevilTheAutopoet
I understand that, but I was moreso taking the flyer as something directed at liberals and moderates. Someone who's already definitively on the right isn't likely to be swayed by a flyer like this. In fact, I can predict a number of bad faith arguments they would make to either reject outright or try to twist what it's saying into an attack on the left. (edited)
Sure, sure. The language can be redone. I was mostly just pumping out something late last night using the original language of the first flyer. That said, if you want to write up text, I/we can spiff it up with some graphic design.
knuckles
I don't see what the middle thing is, just swastika and snake
Oh, and in a similar vein "small government". Because I guess minmaxing with no programs that actually help people in any way combined with absurdly militarized police, a panopticon surveillance state, and a military so bloated they can't even pass a basic fucking audit to save their lives, is somehow "small government".(edited)
hey ik not all of you are in the propaganda division server, but i dropped a message with some avenues for propaganda in there so i figure ill do the same here if people need inspiration!
firstly, we think educational propaganda would be a good place to start, so in those lines we were thinking "it could happen here" type stuff, maybe using parallels between the USA now and pre fascism germany and italy. I have looked into this and there are some very real similarities. it would be important to emphasize what went wrong in those eras, to showcase that we can have a different outcome now. for this we would have to do some research.
Another possible angle, though not so directly related to fascism, would be showcasing how our current system isnt working. There are a lot of relatable, prescient examples of that in the current state of healthcare, so that could be a focus. this would be more in line with agitative propaganda.
It's also becoming increasingly clear that the most extreme example of modern fascism in america is the ongoing attack on trans rights, and queer rights more broadly. between banning books and healthcare, legal consequences for social transition and a lot more, it's clear that the scapegoat of the modern fascist movement in america is trans people. this should be the focus of a good chunk of our propaganda, and we can cover it from a variety of angles.
i just copy/pasted so sorry for the repetition if ur in the other server as well :)
If we can find a way to engage people who are more centered than us, maybe; the problem is, we tend to be overly focused on explaining that a lot of our stuff is excessively long and clunky, and just doesn’t engage people
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Or it could end up looking like a right wing Facebook meme format
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But if we can find a way to do it while it’s snappy, then let’s do it
@╣Xan╠ Rotate them arrows to align with the cross lines and you're golden.
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@6L3THAL#0663 I'm liking the logo so far. It suffers in the text however. The black on red is almost illegible because it's not only thin, but changes width. It works on the white lettering because there's more contrast and the letters are larger. You could even go bolder on the white letters, making them thicker. Maybe try shifting the Sic Semper Tyrannis to be thinker, and a sans-serif font. Maybe have Tyrannis on the bottom?
originally 1000x500 then I increased height to 750
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I started with making just this
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then I experimented with different things and made this, although the lines aren't properly aligned
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I spent hours trying to make arrows and broken swastikas and stuff, trying to find things online, trying to incorporate all three 'enemy symbols' into it... but it never amounted to anything
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The orange lines are just for making it align well
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I honestly wasn't sure what to make originally, like I don't remember what my original plan was, but the US flag wasn't part of it
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I tried my snake idea but I'm not good enough at this for it
Can any of our organizations fantastic graphic designers attend tomorrows general meeting?
Date: Sunday 4/16
When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon)
Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel
Topics: mutual aid (I got a list of people who seem to have connections, and we can probably put together a network), marketing, networking (National Lawyers Guild?) (edited)
Does anyone here love urban fantasy? Vampires and Werewolfs (and other were creatures) your jam artistically?
My wife has an RPG/Novel world called Nightlands, and she needs an artist or two to do some promo art for it.
The art will be used in a kickstarter to get funding to allow her to work full time on writing the novels and RPG setting background info. And she'll need even more art for the RPG game book release.(edited)
12:08 AM
Totally willing to negotiate on price for the art. Could offer percentage of kickstarter revenue/book sales profit.
Probably a mix of both kinda showing a work in progress state.
Maybe two full color, rest can be sketches, I'll ask her for example images and see what she comes up with.
So the Monday after next Friday, I will be hosting a meeting to teach people how to make posters and propaganda in Krita. I will be staring at about noo. and going to 2:30pm est
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I’ll be hosting it in the meeting room vc
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Krita is free, so if your interested and want to follow along, pick it up
Watch out before they pull a Deus-Ex Machina out their asses and become the Thunder Dragon Empore
Eazy8 Antifa Viking
So the Monday after next Friday, I will be hosting a meeting to teach people how to make posters and propaganda in Krita. I will be staring at about noo. and going to 2:30pm est
TDT: 1: America is a country that prides itself on its values of justice and equality, yet the top 1% continues to be held unaccountable for their crimes by the legal system. In a truly fair and just society, former President Donald Trump would be incarcerated. Trump has currently been charged...
What do you mean by "on point?" Would you have any examples of other people's layouts because it's relatively simple to emulate a layout rather than come up with one.
@IIT0NE Heya! If you still need funding for sticker production, would you have something anonymous like CashApp where we can send you money?
Skullmaggot
What do you mean by "on point?" Would you have any examples of other people's layouts because it's relatively simple to emulate a layout rather than come up with one.
Have we put any thought into a formalized AIF logo? Like something a little more America-Specific than just a plain Three Arrows? I think we ought to have like a formalized logo if we’re going to establish ourselves as a formal group, something we can stick on patches and shit to let people know at a glance at protests and events that We’re the Good Guys™️
8:59 PM
If we do have a formal symbol, please correct me and point it out to me
9:00 PM
My thoughts is that we should have our own symbol, and we should be collaborating across borders, and each nations individual group should have their own so we can recognize each other across borders
Maybe swap out the text for like, idk, just leave it blank? Maybe some more stars or a white stripe?
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I like the Red White and blue; it helped attract me as a more center left Soc-Dem/Dem-Soc (not super sure where I fall) who likes Biden feel more comfortable joining in, and made it more appealing to me. I think a good way to drive recruitment might be to moderate our language and outward appearance to bait in libs and Dems who are becoming more and more upset with the right wing bullshit and want a faster and more direct way to fight it
Eazy8 Antifa Viking
I like the Red White and blue; it helped attract me as a more center left Soc-Dem/Dem-Soc (not super sure where I fall) who likes Biden feel more comfortable joining in, and made it more appealing to me. I think a good way to drive recruitment might be to moderate our language and outward appearance to bait in libs and Dems who are becoming more and more upset with the right wing bullshit and want a faster and more direct way to fight it
Oh yeah, we’ve just got a strike a balance. The exact same thing almost drove me away thinking it was gonna be a very liberal thing, but I took my chances anyways.
Tbf, we really should be trying to recruit libs. Even if we can’t radicalize them, they’re going to at least be Allies, and we all have pretty different economic and political ideas here ourselves, so those differences don’t matter imo
Have we put any thought into a formalized AIF logo? Like something a little more America-Specific than just a plain Three Arrows? I think we ought to have like a formalized logo if we’re going to establish ourselves as a formal group, something we can stick on patches and shit to let people know at a glance at protests and events that We’re the Good Guys™️
We’re fighting against extremism and radicalization on the right, and if we want to appeal to a broad antifascist coalition we can’t be seen as “just as bad but on the left”
There is nothing radical about believing people should be free from being terrorized or killed by fascists and acting to stop it. The majority of the world united against that once upon a time.
If our goal is to get as many people as we can to join in the fight against authoritarianism it might not be the best idea to suggest we are all anarchist or promote the idea people who join generally become more left. Maybe I’m bias because I’m not a fan of anarchy but to me the message “we oppose authoritarianism” is a lot easier to get behind than “we support X or Y ideology” I also think using the word “authoritarian” is a better and broader term than “fascism” even though we are against both
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If our goal is to get as many people as we can to join in the fight against authoritarianism it might not be the best idea to suggest we are all anarchist or promote the idea people who join generally become more left. Maybe I’m bias because I’m not a fan of anarchy but to me the message “we oppose authoritarianism” is a lot easier to get behind than “we support X or Y ideology” I also think using the word “authoritarian” is a better and broader term than “fascism” even though we are against both
Except in the sense that libertarian socialists members win debates in the org and convince individuals to their side. The reverse can also happen
9:47 PM
Maybe in the future we will have internal caucuses and factions
grAvity
If our goal is to get as many people as we can to join in the fight against authoritarianism it might not be the best idea to suggest we are all anarchist or promote the idea people who join generally become more left. Maybe I’m bias because I’m not a fan of anarchy but to me the message “we oppose authoritarianism” is a lot easier to get behind than “we support X or Y ideology” I also think using the word “authoritarian” is a better and broader term than “fascism” even though we are against both
That being said. There is nothing at all radical about anarchist ideals... particularly egalitarian resource sharing.
You can literally just quote Christ's sermons.
If our goal is to get as many people as we can to join in the fight against authoritarianism it might not be the best idea to suggest we are all anarchist or promote the idea people who join generally become more left. Maybe I’m bias because I’m not a fan of anarchy but to me the message “we oppose authoritarianism” is a lot easier to get behind than “we support X or Y ideology” I also think using the word “authoritarian” is a better and broader term than “fascism” even though we are against both
I’m also not an anarchist, so it’s also not accurate to say so either, since a lot of us are either commies or Dem-Socs or Social Democrats. Also, hard agree with using Authoritarianism. It doesn’t matter what type of authoritarianism, we oppose it; Facism is just the biggest threat rn
The Three Arrows generally stand for anti-authoritarianism: Anti-Fascism, Anti-Communism (Specifically authcom), and Anti-x.
The third varies a lot. One that I often have seen is Anti-Monarchy.
The Three Arrows generally stand for anti-authoritarianism: Anti-Fascism, Anti-Communism (Specifically authcom), and Anti-x.
The third varies a lot. One that I often have seen is Anti-Monarchy.
I’m also not an anarchist, so it’s also not accurate to say so either, since a lot of us are either commies or Dem-Socs or Social Democrats. Also, hard agree with using Authoritarianism. It doesn’t matter what type of authoritarianism, we oppose it; Facism is just the biggest threat rn
There are Authoritarian regimes all around the world that are not fascist that exist today and more are falling. Hungary has already fallen head first into it.(edited)
grAvity
There are Authoritarian regimes all around the world that are not fascist that exist today and more are falling. Hungary has already fallen head first into it. (edited)
Can someone whip up a version of this flyer suitable for printing on 11x17 (ledger) paper? I have a large format printer and want to make it BIGGER without sacrificing quality
Realitywarp
Can someone whip up a version of this flyer suitable for printing on 11x17 (ledger) paper? I have a large format printer and want to make it BIGGER without sacrificing quality
Can anyone make a flyer using these lyrics from the song Lincoln and Liberty Too
Success to the old-fashioned doctrine
That men are created all free
And down with the power of the despot
Wherever his stronghold may be!
I'm making some pro-NATO propaganda, and I have a few ideas for punchy text, tell me which y'all think is best
1. Together We Stand, Together We Fight
2. Thirty One (or 31) Stand United
3. Tyrants Will Perish, We Shall Endure
4. Together As One/United As One
5. One For All, All For One
6. In Peace, There Is Strength
@40% of Cops Nato is a military treaty who's job it is to make sure Russia don't Russia and invade its neighbors. It also kinda helps with preventing future world wars at the moment
In fact, if someone calls Nato a fascist, they're probably a tankie, a right wing idiot, or a Russian
of courst, those three aren't always necessarily exclusive in some combination.
If nato didn’t exist the Ukraine war wouldn’t have happened and putin wouldn’t dominate Russia. The real threat of American aggression keeps putin in power
Or more realistically Putin would be invading Germany right now if there was No Nato. Nato only exist because of Russia's very real history of invading and forcibly colonizing its neighbors
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Or more realistically Putin would be invading Germany right now if there was No Nato. Nato only exist because of Russia's very real history of invading and forcibly colonizing its neighbors
If nato didn’t exist the Ukraine war wouldn’t have happened and putin wouldn’t dominate Russia. The real threat of American aggression keeps putin in power
No; Putin got into power because Boris Yeltsin was a drunk who allowed corruption to fester, and lost 2 wars. Most of the NATO expansion happened after Putin, with the ones who joined before hand were all in Central Europe. Putin portrayed himself as a sober capable strongman who would fight corruption. Remember, NATO had made moves to court Russia before 2006, though it fell through.
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More over, NATO is STRICTLY defensive, and it does not do anything unless a member is attacked first. If America wanted to slug it out with Russia, and attacked first, then NATO would not trigger Article 5
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Besides, you don’t get a country threatening to build nukes if they don’t get in if they don’t feel like there is a legitimate danger
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On top of all of this, the idea of getting Russia to join nato was a very real concept in the early 2000s, but as Yeltsin pointed out, the average Russian would find it unacceptable due to the perceived humiliation of the fall of the Soviet Union
Yes, Russia perceived NATO expansion as a threat, but as two different kinds of threats. Those in power saw it as a threat to their ambitions in Eastern Europe, and they sell it to the Russian people as a threat to them, which is is not, because
1. Prior to the invasion, Russia only had 3 Borders with NATO states, all very Defensible (Norway, the Baltics, and Kaliningrad)
2. Russia has Nuclear weapons, so land borders are meaningless anyway
3. Only Poland had more than a token American force, and even then only with short range Artillery and armor
4. NATO is purely defensive and requires a first strike on a member state to trigger.
But the Russian people were sold this to justify the bloated expenditure on the military at a time when the economy was floundering, and the authoritarian crackdown on dissent internally. The Military was purly for show as well, as corruption was allowed to shift into turbo-corruption, enriching himself and his cronies, while gutting the fighting capacity, and crippling its ability to actually make new equipment (T-14, SU-57/75, AK-12, etc, hence why they’re still using soviet hand-me-downs and upgrades of such, but at this point the average Russian feels unable and uninteresting it doing anything about it, while Putin has cemented himself into a position built on hundreds of years of authoritarianism and corruption
Could someone turn this into@a poster:
With pride month just around the corner and the rise of hatred, ignorance, and violence towards the LGBTQ+ community, it is important for those that go to rallies to film protestors. With Matt Walsh's ominous and vague threat of being excited for pride month and death threats towards Target's employees, we can't take any chances. It's important to get to the rallies and parades early and find where they park their trucks. Catch their faces and license plates while they're gearing up in their Walmart body armor. A good photo or video is the best weapon to wield against people like the Proud Boys, Patriot Front, Three Percenters, those neo nazis in red shirts harassing drag shows, and many others. Don't allow them to hide their faces from the country. Their communities deserve to know and identify the faces of evil among them.
I like that idea but I'm worried about psychos shooting me for trespassing. Lol
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I was thinking high traffic areas. Major intersections. Anywhere I know they'll be seen. This is actually just kind of a crude idea I slapped together. I'd probably put a little more work into the finished product. I just wanted to see what you folks thought. Or even if it was a good idea to begin with.
to be fair, Florida's gun laws are so loose, you could take advantage of them as a deterrent (which related, even in public spaces, you should definitely have some arms on you in the hell state of Florida)
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to be fair, Florida's gun laws are so loose, you could take advantage of them as a deterrent (which related, even in public spaces, you should definitely have some arms on you in the hell state of Florida)
@Eazy8 Antifa Viking@Skullmaggot could one of you turn this into a flyer?
With pride month just around the corner and the rise of hatred, and violence towards the LGBTQ+ community, it is important for those that go to rallies to film anti lgbt protesters. With Matt Walsh's ominous and vague threat of being excited for pride month and death threats towards Target's employees, we can't take any chances.
Scout social media in the days leading up to the event for any potential threats, and contact event organizers about past threats (if any)
It's important to get to the rallies and parades early
find where the fascists park
Catch their faces and license plates while they set up
A good photo or video is the best weapon against any violent group
Confrontations should be deescalated quickly and recorded, but any video of violence shouldn’t be shared with the police or posted to unsecure platforms (no matter how much you think it makes you look like you're in the right!)
If anyone draws a weapon, back up and yell “he’s got a weapon.”
Do not engage with violent individuals
joe hill’s revenge
@Eazy8 Antifa Viking@Skullmaggot could one of you turn this into a flyer?
With pride month just around the corner and the rise of hatred, and violence towards the LGBTQ+ community, it is important for those that go to rallies to film anti lgbt protesters. With Matt Walsh's ominous and vague threat of being excited for pride month and death threats towards Target's employees, we can't take any chances.
Scout social media in the days leading up to the event for any potential threats, and contact event organizers about past threats (if any)
It's important to get to the rallies and parades early
find where the fascists park
Catch their faces and license plates while they set up
A good photo or video is the best weapon against any violent group
Confrontations should be deescalated quickly and recorded, but any video of violence shouldn’t be shared with the police or posted to unsecure platforms (no matter how much you think it makes you look like you're in the right!)
If anyone draws a weapon, back up and yell “he’s got a weapon.”
Do not engage with violent individuals
@Eazy8 Antifa Viking@Skullmaggot could one of you turn this into a flyer?
With pride month just around the corner and the rise of hatred, and violence towards the LGBTQ+ community, it is important for those that go to rallies to film anti lgbt protesters. With Matt Walsh's ominous and vague threat of being excited for pride month and death threats towards Target's employees, we can't take any chances.
Scout social media in the days leading up to the event for any potential threats, and contact event organizers about past threats (if any)
It's important to get to the rallies and parades early
find where the fascists park
Catch their faces and license plates while they set up
A good photo or video is the best weapon against any violent group
Confrontations should be deescalated quickly and recorded, but any video of violence shouldn’t be shared with the police or posted to unsecure platforms (no matter how much you think it makes you look like you're in the right!)
If anyone draws a weapon, back up and yell “he’s got a weapon.”
Do not engage with violent individuals
So I’m thinking for this, we have a black background, and we have the text set to a rainbow pattern, for pride and all, and we have something like “PSA from the American Iron Front” or “Brought to You by the American Iron Front” or “Safety Advice from the American Iron Front” or similar, and we have our little QR. code in the bottom corner
I like the massage. The text and color have a "Graphic Design Is My Passion" feel, though. XD
If anything is going to print, having a solid black background is usually not the best idea, because it is costly.
Instead of any rainbow colors, maybe select the specific colors on the pride flag?
If I have time, I might be able to mess with it on Tuesday.
How to help fight fascism! Share info Spread this with everyone you know. Learn via the links below and other independent sources of information. Speak out Stand up when you hear hateful ideas, and demand that politicians address systemic injustices! Protest against peddlers of bigoted and harm...
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@Eightman@Eazy8 Antifa Viking could u make this into a flyer?
That is one I have been wondering for a while. I think the key difference is their beliefs on what to do with people who don’t fit into their narrow worldview: enslave and oppress, or exterminate?
Eightman
Here's a question: what separates white supremacists from neonazis? I'm trying to pin down a good delineation, but I know there's a ton of overlap.
Neo-Nazis specifically want a form of authoritarian dictatorship, while WS don’t always want a full on Dictatorship, they only want authoritarianism for everyone they don’t like. In addition, NNs are often much more broad in their bigotry, while WS might be willing to tolerate gay or Jewish white people. NNs also typically have a “Tier system” for their definition of white people, while most WS generally aren’t that complicated about it, with some exceptions
6:45 PM
Basically, Neo-Nazis are generally have more complex beliefs, and more strongly held anti-democratic views
I found a way to get the letters to fit better. I'm much happier with this.
1:01 PM
I want the word "FASCISM" to be a different color and font so it sticks out more. I'd go with a better font but I don't feel like paying absurd prices for one.
Yes, I realized when researching the fonts that they are two different types. The transition from large lettering and one font to smaller lettering and a different font is what I believe gives it that fuzziness.
I'm in the process of adding "IRON FRONT" with three arrows to the belt buckle and will add a QR code onto the top-right corner. I can set up a QR code myself, but that involves money that I'm not 100% willing to spend. If anyone can find one that leads to the website and that works, as all the others posted to the server I could find were no longer working, it would expedite the process.
I struggled just to put the QR code in the corner, but I'll see what I can do. Stretching the bottom lettering is easy, the swastika might be difficult.
DeepSouth [ATL, GA]
Goes fucking hard, just try to stretch the bottom text and maybe put a swastika where the hole in the O is with the line running through it
I'm unable to do it. I've spent several hours now working to find a way but do not have the skill or knowledge to be able to do it. If anyone else is willing to make one in a similar fashion to the one in the original, I can share the measurements and color codes to ensure accuracy, and will put it in.
Online shop for the Working Class History project: radical, union, labor, socialist, communist, feminist, Black history, anti-colonial, LGBT+, disability rights, anarchist and anti-racist products and merchandise. Purchases support the WCH project.
2:10 AM
Could Someone make a poster/sticker for Working Class History?
These are the newest renditions. Constructive criticisms are always welcome.
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@str8 up demon Here is the version with the QR code.
@Eightman Here are the posters with the Three Arrows inside the O. I made them red, white, and blue for patriotism reasons.
So we are thinking of starting an online fitness accountability club for AIF. Tentatively called the The Iron Front Heavies. Is there someone with experience that might be able to help with a logo? Cause I am absolutely SHITE when it comes to art.
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So we are thinking of starting an online fitness accountability club for AIF. Tentatively called the The Iron Front Heavies. Is there someone with experience that might be able to help with a logo? Cause I am absolutely SHITE when it comes to art.
I am as well. All the work I have done that you can see above is simple resizing, coloring, and text editing. If anyone wants to draw something up, I can edit it in whatever way I can to pitch in.
Stolas_of_the_Stars
So we are thinking of starting an online fitness accountability club for AIF. Tentatively called the The Iron Front Heavies. Is there someone with experience that might be able to help with a logo? Cause I am absolutely SHITE when it comes to art.
So, one of the interesting quirks of Viking axes is the bearded shape of them(edited)
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Now one of the things attested to in the sagas is using them in a close uo brawl by Choking up on the axe haft, then punching with it, with your fist right under the blade, like the world’s nastiest knuckleduster
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And as a Viking reenactor, it really scrunches my bunches to see these fashie losers trying to steal viking imagery, so that’s why I tend to focus on Viking themed anti-fash stuff
6:23 PM
So anyway, bash the fash, based on this poster, with a Viking axe-punching a Nazi in the face
If someone ever falsely claims that Sabaton is a neo-Nazi band, point to the album cover for Heroes, where we can see an American soldier punching a Nazi.
One argument in Sweden that supports their supposed far-right views is the album Carolus Rex. Charles XII is viewed by Swedish ultranationalists as an icon, a figure to be celebrated for conquering Sweden's enemies and dominating the country. The title song itself is more critical of Charles, taking place from his point of view with him stating highly egotistical things.
Also, more of the album is about the 30 years war, and is really hostile to it
2:16 PM
Also, Long Live the King basically goes on about how he basically doomed Sweden when he died
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One argument in Sweden that supports their supposed far-right views is the album Carolus Rex. Charles XII is viewed by Swedish ultranationalists as an icon, a figure to be celebrated for conquering Sweden's enemies and dominating the country. The title song itself is more critical of Charles, taking place from his point of view with him stating highly egotistical things.
@Graphic Designer hey all, would anyone be down to have a little informal brainstorming session over Discord at some point in the near future? Kind of thing where we can spit ball ideas and bounce stuff off of each other
Kraite
@Graphic Designer hey all, would anyone be down to have a little informal brainstorming session over Discord at some point in the near future? Kind of thing where we can spit ball ideas and bounce stuff off of each other
@Graphic Designer hey all, would anyone be down to have a little informal brainstorming session over Discord at some point in the near future? Kind of thing where we can spit ball ideas and bounce stuff off of each other
@Graphic Designer hey all, would anyone be down to have a little informal brainstorming session over Discord at some point in the near future? Kind of thing where we can spit ball ideas and bounce stuff off of each other
@Graphic Designer hey all, would anyone be down to have a little informal brainstorming session over Discord at some point in the near future? Kind of thing where we can spit ball ideas and bounce stuff off of each other
3 ideas I have for graphic design projects:
1. Advertisements for specific teams like filmmaking etc
2. Comb through og iron front posters for things to modernize and Americanize
3. Make some templates for use in specific cases (defend education, stop@this fash marsh, this person is a Nazi)
7:48 PM
@Kraite
joe hill’s revenge
3 ideas I have for graphic design projects:
1. Advertisements for specific teams like filmmaking etc
2. Comb through og iron front posters for things to modernize and Americanize
3. Make some templates for use in specific cases (defend education, stop@this fash marsh, this person is a Nazi)
Great ideas!
As per the second one, I have a file full of old anti-fascist, anti-racist, left-wing political posters that have collected over the years to use as inspiration
12:44 PM
Also, are y'all on the IF Prop Div discord? I'm thinking we could have to call over there
Like big tent doesn't mean not left. Im down with the sentiment - you don't have to be an anarchist to be anti authoritarian- maybe we could think of a different way of phrasing it?
9:28 PM
But as far as like the graphic design goes I think it's awesome
@DeepSouth [ATL, GA] I like the outer jacket, but the inside is tough to read because of the contrast and white/red/white/grey colors. You might want to try lowering the contrast on the background images to make them look a bit less busy.
I'd also suggest playing with the fonts on the inside, particularly with the white with red border. Stick with sans-serif like you have already, but maybe not Impact for the informational text.
Consider also leaving some more visual space around the edges of each section on the inside. It keeps the eye directed to the text instead of looking disorganized with the panphlet is opened. I'd also increase the leading between the text at the top of each section and the body text, again just to make it looks more organized.
Please take my critique as positive encouragement, not dissing your work. It's a solid product, and will look absolutely professional with some tweaking.
I might have time to play with it if you send the file to me in Illustrator or other editable format.(edited)
@DeepSouth [ATL, GA] I like the outer jacket, but the inside is tough to read because of the contrast and white/red/white/grey colors. You might want to try lowering the contrast on the background images to make them look a bit less busy.
I'd also suggest playing with the fonts on the inside, particularly with the white with red border. Stick with sans-serif like you have already, but maybe not Impact for the informational text.
Consider also leaving some more visual space around the edges of each section on the inside. It keeps the eye directed to the text instead of looking disorganized with the panphlet is opened. I'd also increase the leading between the text at the top of each section and the body text, again just to make it looks more organized.
Please take my critique as positive encouragement, not dissing your work. It's a solid product, and will look absolutely professional with some tweaking.
I might have time to play with it if you send the file to me in Illustrator or other editable format. (edited)
@DeepSouth [ATL, GA] I like the outer jacket, but the inside is tough to read because of the contrast and white/red/white/grey colors. You might want to try lowering the contrast on the background images to make them look a bit less busy.
I'd also suggest playing with the fonts on the inside, particularly with the white with red border. Stick with sans-serif like you have already, but maybe not Impact for the informational text.
Consider also leaving some more visual space around the edges of each section on the inside. It keeps the eye directed to the text instead of looking disorganized with the panphlet is opened. I'd also increase the leading between the text at the top of each section and the body text, again just to make it looks more organized.
Please take my critique as positive encouragement, not dissing your work. It's a solid product, and will look absolutely professional with some tweaking.
I might have time to play with it if you send the file to me in Illustrator or other editable format. (edited)