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100% what Analyse sent. The most important thing there is to remember the cops are never your friends, ask for a lawyer and stfu
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https://crimethinc.com/categories/how-to check this out for so much great info
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So this is why people need to start showing up at these local events to protect attendees and deny fascists space
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WojtektheBear 6/27/2022 3:15 PM
Cops won’t help you either
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 9:48 AM
this group has a lot of terrific info we can use
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for organizing in general
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International Relations, Political Violence, and Civil Resistance
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this person is also one of highest authorities on non violence
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if we consult this stuff we can give our organizing an edge up
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this person is also one of highest authorities on non violence
What does this mean
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 9:53 AM
they are a very prominent researcher on the topic
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there work centers on developing empirical analysis of non violence by analyzing both violent and non violent conflicts throughout history
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Oh god I am trying to remember the name of a book I have somewhere I have lost
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It's got a somewhat 'clickbaity' title about non-violent resistance and revolution
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But it is a really interesting look at nonviolent activism and regime change
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 10:14 AM
was it by a serbian guy?
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I don't know
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Maybe
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Small book
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Got it in SF
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Dog Eared Books I think
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 10:18 AM
oh no idea
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Blueprint for revolution I think
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But not sure
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 10:19 AM
thats it
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he works with the one group i linked to
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canvas
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Nice
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One of the other bits of reading I grabbed in SF
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Highly recommended
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 10:22 AM
thats one ive heard alot about
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so many books to read so little attention
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The other one I grabbed there
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All good reads
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 10:24 AM
gene sharp was a huge influence on the author of blue print for a revolution
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very cool stuff
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I think everyone here should read from dictatorship to democracy
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Especially given the urge to burn everything
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A great way to calm down for a bit while still doing something relevent to activism
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And rekindle your faith in nonviolent action
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q3st1on
Especially given the urge to burn everything
Deleted User 6/30/2022 10:25 AM
having material like this can give people hope that there is a plan
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so people feel less helpless
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the work of canvas and erica Chenoweth amaze me so much
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i wish i could read all of it at once to synthesize it
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one commonality is the need to target pillers of the regime to pull away their support
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Yeah
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 10:30 AM
like the media, religious groups and secruity forces
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when people start advocating reckless violence and disruption for its own sake movemnts loose their ability to win over those pillers
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the civil rights era was alot of public relations
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so having effective control of your image and mission is vital
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i think the failure to do so can be seen in recent events
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regardless of my own opinions on the matter i think the rise the abolish police slogan was an example of this failure
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it was both alienating to the majority of people and so many people had unclear differing interpitations
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I think it had a purpose, and helped the movement grow for a while, but ultimately held BLM from causing real change
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 10:36 AM
agreed
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it was fueled by legitimate anger and resentment but change requires more than just that
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austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 11:56 AM
If it's the same researcher that was making the rounds maybe back in 2015-2018 one of the flaws I saw with it was correlation != causation. Basically, the argument was that non-violent protests were more effective based on outcomes, but it didn't deal with the counter argument that usually people try non-violence first, then resort to violence when there's no other way. That'd imply that any relationship between the kind of protest and its outcomes was more a factor of how authoritarian the enemy was, not a matter of tactics. That being said, from my understanding, the advocates for a diversity of methods would say that permitted and peaceful protest, non-violence (which is NOT peaceful protest) and other means lie along a spectrum, and work best together. Applied to history, some might argue that MLK had more political capital because no one wanted to deal with Malcolm X. Basically, they were "good cop bad cop"ing the racist state.
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 12:33 PM
I think mlk worked in tandem with the LBJ administration to push for legislation
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Mlk orginzed the pressure LBJ needed to use to get the civil rights acts and great society
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That's just one part of the complicated web of things that led to the civil rights acts getting passed
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If it's the same researcher that was making the rounds maybe back in 2015-2018 one of the flaws I saw with it was correlation != causation. Basically, the argument was that non-violent protests were more effective based on outcomes, but it didn't deal with the counter argument that usually people try non-violence first, then resort to violence when there's no other way. That'd imply that any relationship between the kind of protest and its outcomes was more a factor of how authoritarian the enemy was, not a matter of tactics. That being said, from my understanding, the advocates for a diversity of methods would say that permitted and peaceful protest, non-violence (which is NOT peaceful protest) and other means lie along a spectrum, and work best together. Applied to history, some might argue that MLK had more political capital because no one wanted to deal with Malcolm X. Basically, they were "good cop bad cop"ing the racist state.
Deleted User 6/30/2022 12:39 PM
I see no evidence of the good coo bad cop argument given the civil rights movement was more than just Malcom x and lbj
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Ii don't think we're referencing the same material
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I've yet to see anything empirically show the argument
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 12:56 PM
Having mass violence mixed with non violent is harmful to the cause
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mhm. the last thing we need is the fascists gaining public support (or at the very least public apathy) for "retaliatory" violence.
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But at the same time there is something to be said for violent action depending on what you consider violent
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At that point though you get into more philosophical debate on what is violence?
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 4:18 PM
@Kryptik I would say that we need that debate. I believe we will be chartering a code of conduct soon that we can iterate upon.
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Having mass violence mixed with non violent is harmful to the cause
Dr_Diskette 6/30/2022 7:13 PM
I hope to find good way to make it so that any of our people who are at protest know when a protest is going south and how to get out before being swept into the violence. I hope to keep public perception of the AIF positive, especially since how much fear mongering has happened around the antifa movements
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 7:49 PM
That's a good idea
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It's almost never good to do property destruction or act like badasses around police
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A paratrooper once told me that being tough is being smart
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Don't do stupid shit and your tough
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Dr_Diskette 6/30/2022 7:54 PM
We have an up hill battle
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 7:55 PM
@Dr_Diskette That’s putting it lightly. We’re maybe decades behind in organization.
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@WojtektheBear I do want to know if there are already established, preferably armed, pro-democracy anti-fascist groups. I don’t feel like I can simply find them in a Google search.
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austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 8:02 PM
I agree that wanton and untargeted property destruction helps no one. However, the counter point is that fash will lie about whatever happened. No matter what one does, they'll probably be accused of violence by the fash and it will be repeated on fox news ad nauseum I think people have to make the best choices for themselves, regardless of what their enemies may accuse them of. Being the perfect model citizens isn't going to magically convince the fash they're wrong.
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A paratrooper once told me that being tough is being smart
WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 8:03 PM
That’s great that you don’t want to cause trouble but the way things are going if you’re not willing to physically defend yourself and others from violence from either the state or fascists you probably shouldn’t be involved in direct action. Doesn’t mean every event has to feature fisticuffs but frankly it’s just not realistic to blanketedly condemn tactics outside of their specific contexts
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@WojtektheBear I do want to know if there are already established, preferably armed, pro-democracy anti-fascist groups. I don’t feel like I can simply find them in a Google search.
WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 8:04 PM
Coalition for Common Defense is the only other similar group I’m aware of
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 8:04 PM
Of course we should defend ourselves but it's a last resort
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WojtektheBear
Coalition for Common Defense is the only other similar group I’m aware of
Deleted User 6/30/2022 8:04 PM
I'm on that server
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It's a last resort and those with weapons supposed to be on the side in case things do go awry
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 8:20 PM
@WojtektheBear These people? https://commondefense.us/about/
We are the powerful movement of military veterans and families fighting for our communities, and a more equitable democracy.
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WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 8:20 PM
Different group
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 8:20 PM
@Deleted User What’s the server?
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Oh
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Hmm
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 8:21 PM
they have a subreddit
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 8:21 PM
@WojtektheBear Got a link?
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Deleted User 6/30/2022 8:21 PM
thats it
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they have a vetting process just as a heads up
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Idk, C4CD seems okay, and sure 1A, but I'm not defending the right to use hate speech. I don't consider it free speech even if they do, and I'm not using my body or resources to protect fash, ever. Sorry not sorry.
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SRA is the best i can do lol
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Idk, C4CD seems okay, and sure 1A, but I'm not defending the right to use hate speech. I don't consider it free speech even if they do, and I'm not using my body or resources to protect fash, ever. Sorry not sorry.
Nope, looks like they didnt update the subreddit. The rules changed on the discord. Hate speech has no place on this fucking earth. I'll bring it up
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Oh good. That was a hard no for me
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Braakinthesaddle 7/2/2022 5:42 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cfe5l4VP9L9/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY= Good tips for keeping an eye out for tactics used by fascists at protest events
Rp><With an influx of new protesters and faces, we saw a need to educate people on the ways Phoenix PD and other departments harm us collectively. Remember that when you are protesting against the state, it will actively weaponize it's forces against you, regardless of your tactics. We're already starting to see it. Stay dangerous, stay safe!
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The post is specific to Phx, but it's good advice for anyone
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Doctor Eval 7/2/2022 8:21 PM
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Doctor Eval 7/2/2022 8:53 PM
The Family Radio Service (FRS) is an improved walkie-talkie radio system authorized in the United States since 1996. This personal radio service uses channelized frequencies around 462 and 467 MHz in the ultra high frequency (UHF) band. It does not suffer the interference effects found on citizens' band (CB) at 27 MHz, or the 49 MHz band also us...
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USB RTL devices are my jam
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It would not be difficult for someone remotely nearby to select specific police channels and broadcast them to folks on the ground via a web meeting app
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It would not be difficult for someone remotely nearby to select specific police channels and broadcast them to folks on the ground via a web meeting app
Doctor Eval 7/3/2022 9:36 AM
are you able to intercept police radio chatter? I thought they operated on encrypted channels
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Dr_Diskette 7/3/2022 10:04 AM
I have a police scanner
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Me too
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are you able to intercept police radio chatter? I thought they operated on encrypted channels
Very few run on encrypted channels. Police rather budget for military equipment and thousands of blinking lights than actual decent encryption.
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They do run on trunking systems, which some feel is sufficient since a normal scanner will not work.
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This is open source software you can use with an RTL dongle. I am Beta testing a newer version than only requires a single dongle to scan and read signals.
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DSDPlus also works great and is very lite. The paid version is $10 and gets you a year of updates and uses only a single donge.
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total cost would be around $45
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Radio frequencies can be found at https://www.radioreference.com/
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There are scanner apps that work but broadcastify does not allow you to stream specific channels such as swat, car to car, etc... This is why I advise folks to learn how to get into radio monitoring with RTL SDR dongles
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DSD plus also records all acvtivy into their own files by transmission with date, time, and channel. This makes it easy to go back and listen.
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You come across stuff like this...
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austinwiltshire 7/3/2022 1:28 PM
Exciting news! In conjunction with Portland, Oregon’s PopMob, the new edition of 40 Ways to Fight Fascists: Street-Legal Tactics for Community Activists is now out. It’s a completely re…
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YourFriendlyNeighborhoodHacker 7/6/2022 11:26 PM
The EFF has a great beginner guide for data security: https://ssd.eff.org/en/playlist/want-security-starter-pack#playlist
Start from the beginning with a selection of simple steps. Surveillance impacts all of us, no matter where we live or what we do. While some of us might be directly affected, others may simply want to know what measures they can take to protect their communications and data from spying. This introductory playlist will help you discover how to as...
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 10:46 PM
If you have a BaeFong or similar radio in your kit, it is wise to know the FRS frequencies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service#List_of_FRS_channels_compared_to_GMRS (edited)
The Family Radio Service (FRS) is an improved walkie-talkie radio system authorized in the United States since 1996. This personal radio service uses channelized frequencies around 462 and 467 MHz in the ultra high frequency (UHF) band. It does not suffer the interference effects found on citizens' band (CB) at 27 MHz, or the 49 MHz band also us...
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Anyone have any experience/information on counter protesting?
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Specifically, non violent but legal routes to potentially disrupt a protest?
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Drowning out others with sound, snatching signs and destroying them. These are common things I’ve seen but don’t know the repercussions of
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Anyone have the guides to set up/use a RUST that would go along with the SALUTE graphic?
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Heres a neat app for communicating more specific locations using 3 words. It asks you what app you want to use for navigation to the places.
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counterprotest in the parking lots
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Ozzy7
Anyone have any experience/information on counter protesting?
AldotheApache 11/22/2022 8:14 PM
I’ve done some of this work in the past. DM me
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gravybaby420 1/25/2023 8:35 AM
anyone know where i can find a anarchist flag?
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this one specifically
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anyone know where i can find a anarchist flag?
i know a couple print distros that do them but they're a pretty hefty price tag but it really depends on whether you're gonna buy one from an ethical source or not
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To get one made by a union shop or family shop will run you about the same price as the fabric and a used sewing machine.
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About ~250 to 350 to do it ethically.
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gravybaby420
anyone know where i can find a anarchist flag?
I could explain how to make it if you know how to sew a straight line on a sewing machine.
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gravybaby420 1/28/2023 12:06 PM
i'm pretty sure a monkey can do that
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i'm pretty sure a monkey can do that
Sewing a long straight line is tougher than it seems. And if you want the flag to show the same thing on each side it needs to be three layers of fabric, the outer layers, and a backing layer that doesn't let black bleed through on the red side. Also the seem on the mounting side needs to be reinforced and there is a specific way of doing that to make it sturdy enough to mount on a pole through a gusset or via grommets.
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@Spinner You mean tougher that it..... seams? https://media.tenor.com/0aTtB6gzCl4AAAAM/finger-guns.gif
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PUN
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/25/2023 1:28 PM
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@Spinner You mean tougher that it..... seams? https://media.tenor.com/0aTtB6gzCl4AAAAM/finger-guns.gif
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I don't have to respond at all... this is great!
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fromdefilade 3/16/2023 11:20 AM
fun fact: the crowd control tactics that militarized police use to suppress protests is published in publicly available pdfs and you can study everything they know
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/16/2023 11:49 AM
stare_hmm
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I'm going to post an AAR on the Pittsford, NY drag story hour later. Got some ideas and some requests.
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I was looking for a...How to for protesting I guess? Then I scrolled up and saw this. Thanks! It's a good start.
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@Zannheim glad it was helpful! Yeah there's a lot to think about when protesting and it can depend on location and type of protest too. Try to look for resources specific to your area, especially when it comes to police department tactics. Or reach out on your state channel to see if anyone has tips.
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anyone know where i can find a anarchist flag?
Frederick Piratin 5/6/2023 1:27 AM
Late I know, but you can get a lot of them online, my preferred place is Etsy. This store especially has all the leftist flags you could ever ask for: https://www.etsy.com/shop/Antifascist
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This Garlands, Flags & Bunting item by Antifascist has 220 favorites from Etsy shoppers. Ships from Bartlett, IL. Listed on Feb 4, 2023
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MairinGoBragh 5/16/2023 3:04 AM
I came up with a design for a homebrew riot shield that should be able to deflect impact munitions. The constabulary loves stingball rounds, and this design is great for that. Cut 55 gal drum into thirds, stretch to half the arc, then put it on spars to hold the shape. It's still only half fleshed out, but it's something that popped into my head after seeing images of protests in Thailand. Definitely useful against fire hose riot control. Deflect the stream at an angle and you only take part of the blow. Much more effective than the umbrellas they're using, and are compact enough that they could be cached in a van or truck bed prior to use ETA: this is generally to scale (edited)
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Still needs attachment to the arm, and any cuts for view ports, but that's the gist. Doing this, shield walls become possible, as do testudo formations.
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MairinGoBragh 5/16/2023 3:20 AM
Could make them out of steel drums, and they'd be useful against anything but live ammunition, but at the cost of being heavy af. Not necessarily a bad thing, though, since that's more mass that the fash has to push back in a human blockade/wall.
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But also, requires different tooling and also care to treat the edges of the shields so they don't cut the very people using them.
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Tradeoffs everywhere
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MairinGoBragh 5/16/2023 3:22 AM
Yep
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But the plastic drum ones are not too heavy (basically, the heaviest bit is the frame), and quickly mass-produceable.
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It feels like for the average person the plastic would be good. Just my immediate thought tbh.
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MairinGoBragh 5/16/2023 3:24 AM
Also a thought that began back in 2020 when I witnessed clashes between protesters and cops in Kenosha.
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This is my mind. Sometimes, an elegant solution just pops in my head like this.
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3:29 AM
One could make stretchers like this, too.
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Or is that technically a litter? Idk.
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Anyway, point being that a couple of them ganged up could be useful in casevac, too.
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Set of 45° brackets instead of the cross members, two long poles at the edges that hang off either side, could be useful.
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Oh my, and then the idea of a trailer that could load them up and pulled by a dirt bike/motorcycle. That would take some engineering, particularly in the ride of the trailer. No need to cause more injuries. But depending on the nature of the protest, how it's geographically separated, etc. could prove useful. And now my mind is working on a mobile medic station. I did protest security for the BLM protesters in Milwaukee in 2020, and that was largely marches all over the city, and at least one march from Milwaukee to Kenosha for Jacob Blake. Being able to do casualty management in caravan with the crowd could also be a thing in this niche.
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MairinGoBragh 5/16/2023 3:49 AM
One thing that irritated me throughout that was a total lack of comms management. I had ideas on the anti-surveillance van. Not ECM, though that thought did cross my mind, since Project 25 encrypted comms (such as the constabulary and feds use) can be relatively easily disrupted and forced back into open comms. But yeah, anyone and everyone had radios that were the only channel of communications across the group. Why not have effective management of comms by:
  • having dispatch for multiple channels
  • using either wifi based encrypted systems, Part 15 systems that allow encryption (I recall something in the 900MHz range, but don't quote me), or shell out the $160 for a Part 90 license on itinerary frequencies
  • ensuring secure comms with effective key management (such as a new key of the day, loaded by the dispatch people) so captured radios couldn't be used at subsequent events
Rather than telling everyone, including the surveillance vans, what is going on? The cops were working with the feds in messing with data connections in the areas of protests, and I'm reasonably certain that Milwaukee PD was illegally using their Stingray devices, so turnabout is fair play.
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And that was another thought: an Iridium Go or five (these days, mobile Starlink could work, too), connected to a wifi access point system that could serve the protesters. Suddenly messing with the carriers no longer has the desired effect.
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Or a terrestrial point-to-mobile system.
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I'm reminded of a quote from the movie Serenity here lol
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Still needs attachment to the arm, and any cuts for view ports, but that's the gist. Doing this, shield walls become possible, as do testudo formations.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/16/2023 9:36 AM
A trained body with these shields would be amazing
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The Romans had amazing armies not exactly because of training or their weapons, but because of their gigantic fucking shield
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@MairinGoBragh For steel: what if they had rollers or castors on the bottom? That would decrease the effort of moving and carrying them, and still allow them to be liftable. (edited)
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But also, requires different tooling and also care to treat the edges of the shields so they don't cut the very people using them.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/17/2023 10:02 AM
pool noodles on the ends
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Eightman
@MairinGoBragh For steel: what if they had rollers or castors on the bottom? That would decrease the effort of moving and carrying them, and still allow them to be liftable. (edited)
MairinGoBragh 5/19/2023 1:19 AM
good idea,
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
pool noodles on the ends
MairinGoBragh 5/19/2023 1:20 AM
would need to fuse or tape. pool noodle rips and comes off. gaffer tape?
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grind them, then pool noodle, then gaffer tape
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DUCT. TAPE. EVERYTHING.
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Eightman
@MairinGoBragh For steel: what if they had rollers or castors on the bottom? That would decrease the effort of moving and carrying them, and still allow them to be liftable. (edited)
I believe this very concept was applied in a couple cases in France? (edited)
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Country of origin aside, the execution was that of a giant plexiglass pane that could be moved on rollers.
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Above all else, I think the most important aspects for any type of equipment utilized for protests is that they be inexpensive and highly adaptable.
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There’s no guaranteeing the situation on the ground at any one location, and so being able to pivot is a trait that plays into the highest strengths of a general protest structure, and the weakest aspect of most crackdowns. Additionally, the inexpensive cost makes it accessible to more individuals and minimizes the impact of equipment confiscation/seizure from authorities.
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Or is that technically a litter? Idk.
The terms are generally used interchangeably. Though that may change, depending on organization or location, but pretty much everyone will know what you’re talking about.
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Although there are a couple types of litters that you can use such as rigid and soft. Rigid ones are the ones that everyone thinks of when they think of litters and soft ones are more of like a tough piece of canvas with webbing handles attached.
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Soft liters are pretty affordable and very compact, so they’re not a bad pick for a Street Medic. It’ll be easier to move a patient on that then to try to hand carry them.
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But sometimes it’s advantageous to hand carry someone to a point where you have a bit more safety, and then transport them via a litter. (edited)
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Oh my, and then the idea of a trailer that could load them up and pulled by a dirt bike/motorcycle. That would take some engineering, particularly in the ride of the trailer. No need to cause more injuries. But depending on the nature of the protest, how it's geographically separated, etc. could prove useful. And now my mind is working on a mobile medic station. I did protest security for the BLM protesters in Milwaukee in 2020, and that was largely marches all over the city, and at least one march from Milwaukee to Kenosha for Jacob Blake. Being able to do casualty management in caravan with the crowd could also be a thing in this niche.
This was an idea that I had as well, but it’s very dependent on ensuring you have a solid base of volunteers to rely on, and of course, equipment access is another challenge as well.
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I was able to sort out most of the equipment issues, but finding the time to organize volunteers was the toughest aspect. It’s hard when life is already chewing up so much time on other stuff. 🄲
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Anyone know where I can find flyers for the AIF? Going to a protest tomorrow
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Anyone know where I can find flyers for the AIF? Going to a protest tomorrow
AvoidOblivion 5/31/2023 9:43 AM
Scroll down to the ā€œFlyersā€ section. https://www.ironfrontusa.org/resources
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MairinGoBragh 6/5/2023 11:27 PM
Is there anyone doing counter-protests to DQSH protests? I have info.
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Dandelion Bodies 6/6/2023 12:04 AM
Not sure if there’s a better board for this, but I have a printer and want to print out some flyers from the AIF website to put up around my area. Where would be some good examples of places to put them where they could potentially be seen by many people but not immediately get taken down?
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Well, if they're going to be visible, the possibility of removal is always high. So, you can also get creative. For example: I know some members have taken small flyers, stickers, or postcards and left them inside book covers in libraries so that people reading related books to anti-fascist theory or notable authors get an extra little present. Also, hanging them inside of Windows facing out, assuming that said window isn't going to cause problems for someone, is another solid idea.
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Something that can make a poster more difficult to destroy, is a poor man's laminate. If you take clear packing tape of a good quality, and carefully cover the whole flyer with it before you go to put it up anywhere, it crazy layer of protection against the casement. Heavily packing tape being it to whatever surface you want will add longevity.
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Always be careful about where you put anything, not just for safety purposes, but you don't want to put up a flyer with AIF on it, on something that's going to be a pain in the ass for someone and make them sour on us. Like, you wouldn't go and just randomly put it on the door to their house.
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Dandelion Bodies
Not sure if there’s a better board for this, but I have a printer and want to print out some flyers from the AIF website to put up around my area. Where would be some good examples of places to put them where they could potentially be seen by many people but not immediately get taken down?
joe hill’s revenge 6/16/2023 9:57 PM
Check out #flyer-drive
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027936139933401148/1123374864305246288/NSC_131_8.21.22_title_-_MANCHESTER_NH_MAY_DAY_ANTIFA_CONFRONTATION.MOV Some lessons from this video A.) Don't park if you're being followed, keep driving till you lose them, or can't drive anymore. B.) Don't park near events like this, park a little far away and walk. C.) Don't but identifying marks on your car. Ie bumper stickers.
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6:18 PM
Stolen from Bash The Fash
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BanjoMan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027936139933401148/1123374864305246288/NSC_131_8.21.22_title_-_MANCHESTER_NH_MAY_DAY_ANTIFA_CONFRONTATION.MOV Some lessons from this video A.) Don't park if you're being followed, keep driving till you lose them, or can't drive anymore. B.) Don't park near events like this, park a little far away and walk. C.) Don't but identifying marks on your car. Ie bumper stickers.
joe hill’s revenge 6/27/2023 9:00 PM
Bro who broke the window is lucky he’s in a gun control state. If you tried that shit in Florida you’d be full of lead
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Can’t wait for an nsc guy to get shot behind their bullying
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I heard the window puncher died like last week or something.
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BanjoMan
I heard the window puncher died like last week or something.
joe hill’s revenge 6/27/2023 9:01 PM
That was him?
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Lmao
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I love how they brag about being pussies who Cant take a group of us so then single one individual out for a group assault in their car.
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Cowardly thugs
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joe hill’s revenge
I love how they brag about being pussies who Cant take a group of us so then single one individual out for a group assault in their car.
It’s pathetic
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Oxy? Isn't that some form of detergent or something? (edited)
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archon
Oxy? Isn't that some form of detergent or something? (edited)
AvoidOblivion 6/27/2023 9:57 PM
That's OxiClean. Oxy is short for oxycodone, a very strong painkiller that is highly addictive.
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Ah, thanks Avoid
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archon
Ah, thanks Avoid
Stolas_of_the_Stars 6/27/2023 10:25 PM
Yea you don't want to fuck with it. Doctors in the US used to prescribe it like candy for basic pain and its one of the reasons why the US has such a huge drug problem. It is often not a moral failing--unless as above you use it for recreation--so much as an easy way to treat pain that eventually causes serious opioid addiction and harder drugs like heroin, morphine and fentanyl.
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Got it
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Click to see attachment šŸ–¼ļø
joe hill’s revenge 6/27/2023 10:41 PM
Maybe he had a heart attack? Seems to have anger problems
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Stolas_of_the_Stars
Yea you don't want to fuck with it. Doctors in the US used to prescribe it like candy for basic pain and its one of the reasons why the US has such a huge drug problem. It is often not a moral failing--unless as above you use it for recreation--so much as an easy way to treat pain that eventually causes serious opioid addiction and harder drugs like heroin, morphine and fentanyl.
I just asked because I had no idea what the drug was
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BanjoMan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027936139933401148/1123374864305246288/NSC_131_8.21.22_title_-_MANCHESTER_NH_MAY_DAY_ANTIFA_CONFRONTATION.MOV Some lessons from this video A.) Don't park if you're being followed, keep driving till you lose them, or can't drive anymore. B.) Don't park near events like this, park a little far away and walk. C.) Don't but identifying marks on your car. Ie bumper stickers.
I make a habit to park a few blocks off from anything. Was kinda glad to have someone cool walk me back to my car last time though, it's a good part of town, but still felt safer.
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str8 up demon 7/20/2023 6:02 PM
something thats also a possibility for those with the money to spend
6:02 PM
make a equipment cache and hide them in and around cities for popup protests
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obv you wanna make sure they cant be found and only give rough locations to those who will be protesting with you
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but its great to have extra equipment for those that are vetted but dont have money for their own gear
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to be fair, I'm for cache stashes, but that's shit that needs to be organized at a greater level imo
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and there has to be a relatively uniform agreement on what should be in the cache (edited)
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milk can't go in there, for sadly the obvious, but water could if someone gets tear gas happy
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edit: auto correct changed cache to cash, and I too, would love buckets of money, but this is sadly not the reality
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Aces high
and there has to be a relatively uniform agreement on what should be in the cache (edited)
str8 up demon 7/20/2023 8:56 PM
i already have an idea of what to include as im putting together a document of stuff
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Aces high
milk can't go in there, for sadly the obvious, but water could if someone gets tear gas happy
str8 up demon 7/23/2023 2:35 PM
actually your wrong
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cartoned milk
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shelf stable milk exists
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theres a 6 pack version somewhere
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its cheap af and its not secure
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if you want to be a bit more higher quality get a baofeng and operate within FRS ranges without a license
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if you want to avoid stingrays use a bluetooth walkie talkie app this bypasses singrays which operate on 3G mimicing software
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this also bypasses the upgraded stingray that uses 4G mimicing software
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Aces high
milk can't go in there, for sadly the obvious, but water could if someone gets tear gas happy
Instead o' milk, get an actual anti OC agent imo. Quite a bit more (relatively) pricey but designed for the purpose. Something like this, I think it was posted here in medics or something: https://www.galls.com/sabre-decon-cleanse-and-soothe-kit (edited)
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Instead o' milk, get an actual anti OC agent imo. Quite a bit more (relatively) pricey but designed for the purpose. Something like this, I think it was posted here in medics or something: https://www.galls.com/sabre-decon-cleanse-and-soothe-kit (edited)
I've heard baby shampoo and water work well for cleaning oc out of your eyes.
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 7/30/2023 4:45 AM
Police and emergency 10 codes. There are 4 sets of codes commonly used in the US, the general code is the most common. Other codes include the Association of Police Communications Offers (APCO), Norfolk, VA, and Walnut Creek, CA ten (10) codes.
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str8 up demon 7/30/2023 1:14 PM
imagine hearing a 10-96
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followed by a 10-79
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i bet it happens too often
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Aces high
milk can't go in there, for sadly the obvious, but water could if someone gets tear gas happy
Isn't milk a bad idea actually for gas? Because it'll chemically react and you don't really want to make a chemistry experiment out of someone's eye?
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Emily
Isn't milk a bad idea actually for gas? Because it'll chemically react and you don't really want to make a chemistry experiment out of someone's eye?
str8 up demon 8/10/2023 11:45 AM
it depends on if the milk is warm or not
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if its a hot day and usually is
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then the milk is no longer sterile
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HOWEVER
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cartoned shelf stable milk doesnt face this issue because of the preservatives
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Every medic I talk to says water, and rinse the eyes so that the water flows towards the side of the face the eye is on. No milk, no shampoo, no soap. Just water.
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hmm, lets ask Flop
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Eightman
Every medic I talk to says water, and rinse the eyes so that the water flows towards the side of the face the eye is on. No milk, no shampoo, no soap. Just water.
I'll ask a combat medic I know, hang on
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but that sounds correct
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