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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 2:12 AM
@Marusya Actually, I guess I ought to ask ahead. I'm currently playing with an information management and human resources role in Iron Front. We're having a meeting Friday to discuss our mission statement, (hopefully) a charter of conduct, and action items. We're probably not doing a website so soon but it might be coming up. Our liaison with the American Iron Front group already established in Boston is @WojtektheBear. Our current information management expert is @oldfuzybear, but we're still figuring out roles and what we need and want to do. I want to ask, would do you need specifically for web development, and what does a team need to understand to use a website (or wiki) effectively?
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GG @Skullmaggot, you just advanced to level 7!
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Skullmaggot
@Marusya Actually, I guess I ought to ask ahead. I'm currently playing with an information management and human resources role in Iron Front. We're having a meeting Friday to discuss our mission statement, (hopefully) a charter of conduct, and action items. We're probably not doing a website so soon but it might be coming up. Our liaison with the American Iron Front group already established in Boston is @WojtektheBear. Our current information management expert is @oldfuzybear, but we're still figuring out roles and what we need and want to do. I want to ask, would do you need specifically for web development, and what does a team need to understand to use a website (or wiki) effectively?
My recommendation at this point would be to use a content management platform like Webflow or Wordpress to build a website on. I prefer Webflow of the two personally, but not sure if one is cheaper than the other. Thereโ€™s other content management options as well like cargo.site, weekly or wix but are less favorable. Cargo is my favorite of the latter 3. Pretty much any site is going to require some form of subscription for a domain name, hosting, etc. I am recommending the above sites because it is much easier to access content remotely that way than building a website old school using html, css from scratch. More people can have access to the site - through Wordpress/Webflow - remotely and permissions can be assigned.
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 2:41 AM
@Marusya We may be developing a private wiki for intelligence gathering. Do you have recommendations for that?
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Skullmaggot
@Marusya Actually, I guess I ought to ask ahead. I'm currently playing with an information management and human resources role in Iron Front. We're having a meeting Friday to discuss our mission statement, (hopefully) a charter of conduct, and action items. We're probably not doing a website so soon but it might be coming up. Our liaison with the American Iron Front group already established in Boston is @WojtektheBear. Our current information management expert is @oldfuzybear, but we're still figuring out roles and what we need and want to do. I want to ask, would do you need specifically for web development, and what does a team need to understand to use a website (or wiki) effectively?
I have limited experience with wikis. Are you looking to find the best way to set one up?
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Marusya
My recommendation at this point would be to use a content management platform like Webflow or Wordpress to build a website on. I prefer Webflow of the two personally, but not sure if one is cheaper than the other. Thereโ€™s other content management options as well like cargo.site, weekly or wix but are less favorable. Cargo is my favorite of the latter 3. Pretty much any site is going to require some form of subscription for a domain name, hosting, etc. I am recommending the above sites because it is much easier to access content remotely that way than building a website old school using html, css from scratch. More people can have access to the site - through Wordpress/Webflow - remotely and permissions can be assigned.
Just want to drop in to second what Marusya said here. Not only does using a content management platform have the benefits mentioned by them, but it also massively improves our security posture. These frameworks are big and have a lot of people looking at their security. If we use them, we get the benefits of the huge amount of security research that goes on against these platforms.
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 2:48 AM
@Skullmaggot I honestly don't know, but it may be necessary, I guess, to ask around for expertise on wikis. We still need to figure out action items, so this is all tentative and asking way in the future. I also need to confer with @oldfuzybear about what sort of information structure we're even planning. Everything I suppose is coming to a head Friday, so I'll have more in-depth questions after that.
2:49 AM
@q3st1on Yep, good. I'm paying attention to how you're in cybersecurity.
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I wonder if a shared Google sheet may be easier if the information is for private purposes only @Skullmaggot Or you can also created private/siloed off and password protected webpages with most(if not all) of the content management sites above.
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 2:53 AM
@Marusya Okay, thanks for the ideas. I think I'll hold off on too many questions for now until after the meeting Friday. I'll at least introduce you and @q3st1on to @oldfuzybear for more of your insights.
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austinwiltshire 6/30/2022 9:02 AM
Confluence is free up to ten users (for content management)
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austinwiltshire
Confluence is free up to ten users (for content management)
oldfuzybear 6/30/2022 10:04 AM
Overall, big fan of confluence. Concerned about cost as there will likely be more than 10 people once things are rolling. (edited)
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10:08 AM
Webflow seems to be the deal. It is just under $200 a year for hosting.
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oldfuzybear
Webflow seems to be the deal. It is just under $200 a year for hosting.
Webflow is also nice because it has its own โ€œacademyโ€ of sorts. Thereโ€™s a tutorial for virtually anything you need/want to do.
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NordicThor_ 6/30/2022 3:35 PM
Not sure if you all have looked into it yet, but I was dicking around online and found quite a few URLs that are free... IF.org is one! There's also things like americanIF.org and ifusa / if-usa. Just thought I'd offer that info up!
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*Free meaning unused
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NordicThor_
Not sure if you all have looked into it yet, but I was dicking around online and found quite a few URLs that are free... IF.org is one! There's also things like americanIF.org and ifusa / if-usa. Just thought I'd offer that info up!
Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 3:42 PM
Good find!
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NordicThor_
*Free meaning unused
Good clarification lol
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quarantino 7/6/2022 5:17 PM
I think that multiple websites is the way to go. WordPress for public facing content, with confluence or another option as an internal website.
5:17 PM
Don't want to mix the two for opsec
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 7:07 PM
wordpress is a great solution - especially if it's hosted by wordpress.com or some other service that's responsible for maintaining the uptime/server
7:07 PM
Is there a good reason to take on the task of doing web software engineering? I would advocate against it unless we're building point solutions
7:07 PM
so much free open shit out there, and cheap hosted services
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quarantino 7/6/2022 8:57 PM
I think a hybrid approach is worth taking. Free/open source software that we host on a cloud provider will be the most secure and cost-effective. I'm worried about relying on a service like WordPress.com to not handle data appropriately. Plus, parler got kicked off of AWS, we can't be 100% reliant on a service.
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I think hosting a WP site on a digital ocean droplet using serverpilot, serving it via cloudflare would be the best bet, but I'm just a newer comp sci student with a history of web design. I've primarily use WP and web flow. Web flow is nice but imo not ideal for these purposes. I can spin up this website very quickly if we'd like to. We could have everything from event management to sign-ups, hate group mapping and even attach a wiki. Great thing about WP is there is so much stuff out there and I have a large plug-in library already. Security is always an issue with WP. Using Cloudflare and word fence mitigates a lot of it, and understanding what data should be collected, what should be outside of our scope, and using external services for anything sensitive is the best bet. I'm not a security expert, so if anyone has the expertise and could advise that'd be ideal. I'll try to checkup here and feel free to message me directly if we wanna talk about getting this done and you need someone to do it! There may be someone with more experience than me, so whatever works let's get it done! (edited)
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 9:43 AM
There are also non-traditional options. Tor onion addresses. Decentralized hosting networks. I don't even know what I don't know
9:44 AM
But I have to imagine there exist other non-centralized distributed web publishing solutions
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/9/2022 3:54 PM
Python full stack developer here if anyone needs anything
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Doctor Eval
But I have to imagine there exist other non-centralized distributed web publishing solutions
There definitely is, I'd just have no idea how to do it. I've also thought using something like Jitsi Meet over Zoom would be a good idea. We should certainly have our security concerns in the front of our minds in this early stage to mitigate issues later on. I wish I was further in my career to be able to provide more expertise, but as of now I'm just a web designer doing calculus, lol. Not having any sort of user accounts, possibly providing an opsec modal pop-up when people sign up for events and such so they don't use a primary email, stuff like that goes a long way. Your "don't know what you don't know" statement is very true and the chief concern.
7:54 PM
During my time in the DSA they didn't seem to do anything at all to mitigate security concerns, which always worried me.
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I don't necessarily believe that it's worth the effort to be on the dark web. I also think that not being on the dark web provides more credibility. If internal/external websites are segmented, then if we REALLY wanted to, I think we could set up a VPN on Azure/AWS so that the internal site isn't exposed to the public internet. However, that won't be cheap.
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I don't necessarily believe that it's worth the effort to be on the dark web. I also think that not being on the dark web provides more credibility. If internal/external websites are segmented, then if we REALLY wanted to, I think we could set up a VPN on Azure/AWS so that the internal site isn't exposed to the public internet. However, that won't be cheap.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't serving through cloudflare provide some anonymity? I agree DN is way overkill.
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Some, in that it makes it harder to figure out who's hosting us
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quarantino
Some, in that it makes it harder to figure out who's hosting us
I usually use DigitalOcean, but maybe there is a more anonomyous cloud provider. Additionally, could probably just set it up with a protonmail and VPN, with non-identifying info. I'm not super knowledgeable about how people can trace your info from hosting.
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mr.rogers
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't serving through cloudflare provide some anonymity? I agree DN is way overkill.
Doctor Eval 7/15/2022 6:20 PM
re: cloudfare anonymity Yes, cloudflare can cache your site, and will serve a cached version - thereby anonymizing the servers behind it. There are attacks, though, that can de-anonymize your cloudflare dns.
6:20 PM
solution? github pages (edited)
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Hugo/jekyll + gh pages sounds like a great solution
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quarantino
Hugo/jekyll + gh pages sounds like a great solution
Doctor Eval 7/20/2022 7:29 AM
Let's operationalize. Who is leading the website initiative?
mr.rogers started a thread. 7/21/2022 2:28 PM
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thechromatograph3r 7/29/2022 3:38 PM
If there's a base page already established, I can work HTML. That is, I can work with pre-existing material. I can't make stuff from scratch.
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I can also work HTML if you guys ever decide you want to blitz this thing and need help
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NOT_wil_wheaton 7/30/2022 1:08 PM
Just noticed this part of the channel. I can do a fair bit of web development work if needed. Php/HTML/CSS/SQL/java script. Also got a little experience in info sec if itโ€™s needed. Iโ€™d defer to others first on that one though. Itโ€™s been a minute since I worked those skills and Iโ€™d probably need some refreshing
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Doctor Eval 7/31/2022 12:40 PM
I see a lot of talent, and a lot of volunteers, but I'm not seeing the operationalization that I would hope to see. Someone needs to take the reins, and run with this project.
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BR9TTG9M9RS9N 7/31/2022 12:45 PM
I'm a backend software engineer by day, I can setup any backend on any cloud platform or from hardware up (C# master, proficient in javascript/nodejs) (edited)
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Doctor Eval
I see a lot of talent, and a lot of volunteers, but I'm not seeing the operationalization that I would hope to see. Someone needs to take the reins, and run with this project.
thechromatograph3r 7/31/2022 2:29 PM
Iโ€™m not your guy to lead this one, sorry
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Doctor Eval 7/31/2022 2:44 PM
Before we start writing code, we need to describe the system that we're going to build.
2:45 PM
Ideally we would use something like GitHub pages, or some other static content generator. I see a lot of programming talent here, but I don't think we need complex business logic in fact just the opposite. I think we need something very simple
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Must be java
3:01 PM
jkjk
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As a lame ass self taught python developer, I am terrified of java
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Doctor Eval
Ideally we would use something like GitHub pages, or some other static content generator. I see a lot of programming talent here, but I don't think we need complex business logic in fact just the opposite. I think we need something very simple
WojtektheBear 8/1/2022 1:23 PM
Yeah I think in a couple of weeks weโ€™ll do a group call on the website. All things with time
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JohnBrosGhost 9/11/2022 11:04 PM
Honest question because I know nothing about in depth web design. Why donโ€™t we just toss up a Wordpress website real quick?
11:05 PM
Iโ€™ve done a few nonprofits websites on WP and similar builders and theyโ€™re more than serviceable.
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JohnBrosGhost
Honest question because I know nothing about in depth web design. Why donโ€™t we just toss up a Wordpress website real quick?
Skullmaggot 9/12/2022 12:50 AM
Oh so, got the go-ahead for a website earlier today, and I'll be coordinating around Steve Mike since they bought the domain.
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Skullmaggot 9/12/2022 2:00 AM
@444aidan over here
2:00 AM
@Steve Mike We can discuss web development stuff here.
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Copy and paste from my DMs with Skull: As someone who's as fluent as I am with programming, I know that skill-wise I can take a project like this on alone. In all reality, I only have so much time to offer before I would need compensation. What I mean to say is I am very willing and prepared to help, but I will be setting boundaries as to how much I can do in a day and that I will need a team if I intend to keep my sanity. Graphic designers are always a huge help. The main thing I need access to is a contact who I can ask questions about the organization to to help fill out fields in the website. Also, if you have certain design criteria in mind, please send examples and reference material. If not, I am down to help design some of the page layouts and aesthetics with some officials from the organization. I would require a quick line of communication with someone overseeing the project. [1:01 AM] Also please take everything I say with a grain of salt this evening, I am quite inebriated and am trying to communicate as eloquently as I am currently able. If anything comes across as rude, I don't want to come off on the wrong foot. This endeavor excites me greatly.
2:07 AM
My only real concern is that lack of funding for this project limits what tools and resources we have available for development. Server hosting costs money, and so do some programs for development. I can absolutely develop a website for free, but I worry about restrictions for features we can put in place.
2:10 AM
It's been a while since I've messed with APIs and such, so I'll have to do some homework on what free options we have at our disposal.
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Skullmaggot 9/12/2022 2:31 AM
@Steve Mike @C.J. @curcale 444aidan is a web developer looking to help.
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Copy and paste from my DMs with Skull: As someone who's as fluent as I am with programming, I know that skill-wise I can take a project like this on alone. In all reality, I only have so much time to offer before I would need compensation. What I mean to say is I am very willing and prepared to help, but I will be setting boundaries as to how much I can do in a day and that I will need a team if I intend to keep my sanity. Graphic designers are always a huge help. The main thing I need access to is a contact who I can ask questions about the organization to to help fill out fields in the website. Also, if you have certain design criteria in mind, please send examples and reference material. If not, I am down to help design some of the page layouts and aesthetics with some officials from the organization. I would require a quick line of communication with someone overseeing the project. [1:01 AM] Also please take everything I say with a grain of salt this evening, I am quite inebriated and am trying to communicate as eloquently as I am currently able. If anything comes across as rude, I don't want to come off on the wrong foot. This endeavor excites me greatly.
I can probably be of help with page layout, and figuring out what we would like with our website
6:20 AM
I am also really excited about a project like this, I think we all are, and I'd like to help within my abilities.
6:24 AM
I don't don't know shit about web design though lol
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thechromatograph3r 9/12/2022 1:02 PM
@444aidan I know a little HTML if you need help doing grunt work. I can't make stuff from scratch, but I can go off of a template.
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This would be from scratch most likely
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Alright! So we're gonna build a kick-ass website. We own the domains for http://americanironfront.org as well as .com and .net which currently both redirect to the .org. We can change that later if we want to point to the .com or .net. Right now there is just a basic background image displayed on the site. I just threw that up there to have something, doesn't have to be how it looks. Currently I have hosting set up and can handle that cost for the meantime. More to discuss as far as hosting solutions. Some Admins and I have agreed on a few basic concepts. So far, the core purpose of the website will be to project an image to the world, a certain level of organization, size, and professionalism, even though at the tactical levels we are quite flat and decentralized. When someone googles American Iron Front, the top result will be a good looking website that conveys the mission statement and at a minimum, links the user to all of the other platforms. We don't need the website to replicate things that are already happening on Twitter, Reddit, or Discord. But one idea could be to have it aggregate tweets and posts from those areas, to multiply the signals. There's really a lot we could do with it and I'm looking forward to hashing that out with you all. Another reason to have a website is simply so that we are in control of how we look online. My hope for this group is to be known as the group that saved America from fascism. As we get bigger (which is inevitable), I imagine our enemies may want to buy up the domains just to keep us from using them and/or create a page slandering us to destroy us. Or some totally unrelated group with the same name could show up. Check out http://www.aif.com for an example... I'll be working with @Skullmaggot to manage and organize this project and serve as the webmaster. Let's start with some basic brainstorming on what the website should do. What are your ideas?
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Skullmaggot 9/12/2022 2:23 PM
@444aidan Iโ€™m assigning Steve Mike as project manager for this. In general, everybody (Steve Mike, 444aidan, curcale, and C.J.) can make decisions as needed, and if we need to change things later we can do so. Thanks for all the assistance!
2:24 PM
Iโ€™ll bring in a list of stuff to put on there later, but I think Steve Mike and curcale have got the gist.
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Iโ€™ve done a few nonprofits websites on WP and similar builders and theyโ€™re more than serviceable.
Skullmaggot 9/12/2022 2:44 PM
Did you want to help with the website? People could use some ideas from senior AIF. Iโ€™ve got Steve Mike as project manager.
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Skullmaggot
Did you want to help with the website? People could use some ideas from senior AIF. Iโ€™ve got Steve Mike as project manager.
JohnBrosGhost 9/12/2022 3:51 PM
Iโ€™m here for content writing. Give me a page name and Iโ€™ll fill it out.
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Skullmaggot 9/12/2022 4:40 PM
@Steve Mike โฌ†๏ธ
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JohnBrosGhost
Iโ€™m here for content writing. Give me a page name and Iโ€™ll fill it out.
Will do
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I'm reading through the old posts on this channel and I think we definitely got the talent and knowledge to get this done!
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Do y'all have a site plan yet?
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So first task: 1.) Brainstorming of all the possible features that we want of the website After this we'll know what kind of hosting we need. Here's a few ideas to get started:
  • A place for resources to download / distribute
  • Take donations to fund flyers / stickers / protests / other materials
  • Aggregate social media feeds to a front page, so we are multiplying the signals again, and in one location
  • Sell merch (we already have a Redbubble, so only if doing it ourselves would be better - we could possibly have more control over items and prices. Also we would not want to disrupt the Redbubble and those currently running it. Maybe we could do a combination of both) We can always change things, so I think we should take care not to get so bogged down in making everything perfect from the beginning that we never get off the ground. I'll work to keep us moving forward
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I like that. I'd also suggest considering audiences and objectives for those audiences.
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Nice!
5:37 PM
so what would be a few examples?
5:37 PM
age ranges, things like demographics?
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I would say mostly the way in which they engage with the AIF. For example:
  • "members"
  • potential "members"
  • the media
  • the general public
5:38 PM
Things like that
5:38 PM
You define those audiences and then you define what your objectives are with each (edited)
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I think that's a smart way to go about it. We really ought to have resources for each, like a digital press kit for media coverage, etc. (edited)
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@Doctor Eval @BR9TTG9M9RS9N @RaiseRuntimeError @quarantino @C.J. @NOT_wil_wheaton @mr.rogers @Marusya @austinwiltshire heyo just wanted to ping you all to make sure you're aware we are pushing forward with the website. Scroll up to see what's new. Also let us know if you aren't available anymore for this project and I won't bug ya
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NOT_wil_wheaton 9/12/2022 6:49 PM
Iโ€™m still in. Just lemme know what you need from a coding standpoint and Iโ€™ll work to make it happen.
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Wil do ๐Ÿ˜„
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/12/2022 6:52 PM
Im still in also, just my bandwidth fluctuates
6:53 PM
nice to have a domain now too so we can get QR codes on stickers and flyers
6:54 PM
I know this isnt really the time for shooting out ideas but getting people registered to vote would be a great resource to have on the website
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Steve Mike
@Doctor Eval @BR9TTG9M9RS9N @RaiseRuntimeError @quarantino @C.J. @NOT_wil_wheaton @mr.rogers @Marusya @austinwiltshire heyo just wanted to ping you all to make sure you're aware we are pushing forward with the website. Scroll up to see what's new. Also let us know if you aren't available anymore for this project and I won't bug ya
No objections here! I'll start brainstorming what to put on the website
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I would also suggest a page for combatting misinformation
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So I'm thinking about using a Google Doc to share with the group and keep track of all the ideas, but does anyone know of a better project management tool that is free and easy for all of us to use? If not we'll rock the Google Doc
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So I'm thinking about using a Google Doc to share with the group and keep track of all the ideas, but does anyone know of a better project management tool that is free and easy for all of us to use? If not we'll rock the Google Doc
Keybase doesn't allow for shared file editing but it could be a secure place to store them
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cool Ill look into that, thanks!
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I would also suggest a page for combatting misinformation
RaiseRuntimeError 9/12/2022 7:05 PM
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For now I'll create a Google Doc and between this channel and that we'll see how it works
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austinwiltshire 9/12/2022 7:27 PM
I'm not a web dev, but depending on the tech I could pick up enough to peer review.
7:28 PM
I couldn't figure out from the history what was chosen
7:31 PM
Trello, jira, linear all have free tiers but I'm not sure the limits
7:31 PM
For project management.
7:38 PM
Github itself has a kanban and issue system. That might be the best since it isn't limited by users etc
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/12/2022 8:03 PM
I used Trello a lot in school, it's pretty good. I use Jira at work, it would work. Going with GitHub is kind of a batteries included solution. To sum it all up, I vote GitHub but don't really care what we go with.
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Skullmaggot 9/12/2022 9:01 PM
Heya, austinwiltshire!
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Steve Mike
Alright! So we're gonna build a kick-ass website. We own the domains for http://americanironfront.org as well as .com and .net which currently both redirect to the .org. We can change that later if we want to point to the .com or .net. Right now there is just a basic background image displayed on the site. I just threw that up there to have something, doesn't have to be how it looks. Currently I have hosting set up and can handle that cost for the meantime. More to discuss as far as hosting solutions. Some Admins and I have agreed on a few basic concepts. So far, the core purpose of the website will be to project an image to the world, a certain level of organization, size, and professionalism, even though at the tactical levels we are quite flat and decentralized. When someone googles American Iron Front, the top result will be a good looking website that conveys the mission statement and at a minimum, links the user to all of the other platforms. We don't need the website to replicate things that are already happening on Twitter, Reddit, or Discord. But one idea could be to have it aggregate tweets and posts from those areas, to multiply the signals. There's really a lot we could do with it and I'm looking forward to hashing that out with you all. Another reason to have a website is simply so that we are in control of how we look online. My hope for this group is to be known as the group that saved America from fascism. As we get bigger (which is inevitable), I imagine our enemies may want to buy up the domains just to keep us from using them and/or create a page slandering us to destroy us. Or some totally unrelated group with the same name could show up. Check out http://www.aif.com for an example... I'll be working with @Skullmaggot to manage and organize this project and serve as the webmaster. Let's start with some basic brainstorming on what the website should do. What are your ideas?
thechromatograph3r 9/12/2022 9:05 PM
Kick ass! Do we have the financial means to support owning the domain? That is, do you need a few bucks from each of us?
9:07 PM
I can proof-read and check design as it appears to the end user.
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BR9TTG9M9RS9N 9/12/2022 9:22 PM
this could be as easy as a single page app. Especially if it's all static assets (information only, no interaction)
9:29 PM
just by the sounds of things
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Steve Mike
So I'm thinking about using a Google Doc to share with the group and keep track of all the ideas, but does anyone know of a better project management tool that is free and easy for all of us to use? If not we'll rock the Google Doc
BR9TTG9M9RS9N 9/12/2022 9:30 PM
https://trello.com/ I've used this for projects
Trello is the ultimate project management tool. Start up a board in seconds, automate tedious tasks, and collaborate anywhere, even on mobile.
9:33 PM
based on all the needs and wants, we can distill down to an MVP and go from there. This will help guide us to the solutions that will fit the project.
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Skullmaggot 9/13/2022 12:54 AM
@RaiseRuntimeError I do want to use project management tools for other projects, so if you know how to use'em, please show me the ropes! My main concerns are cost (free preferably), security, and being capable of having a large number of people on it if need be. I've got a large todo list that I want to put on it to divvy up tasks.
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Kick ass! Do we have the financial means to support owning the domain? That is, do you need a few bucks from each of us?
Yes, it would definitely help if several of us could pitch in funds. For right now, I already pay for hosting for my personal portfolio and I can use it to host the site as well. There's been a few suggestions for other hosting solutions that I think might be better than what I am using. I'm going to look into those and work up the costs for different options and we'll all discuss that. One idea is for the website to ask for and collect donations to fund itself
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Looking up Trello, Github Pages, Webflow, Confluence
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for content management / hosting
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So to reiterate, we are currently brainstorming the top-level ideas and concepts to the website, posting and discussing them here. I'm adding the ideas to a Google Doc and we'll set up a voice chat meeting soon where we all go over the Doc and add, subtract, shape the ideas. After that we'll get into to crunching out the code, more meetings, revisions, meetings, more meetings and then we'll end it with a super meeting
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Yes, it would definitely help if several of us could pitch in funds. For right now, I already pay for hosting for my personal portfolio and I can use it to host the site as well. There's been a few suggestions for other hosting solutions that I think might be better than what I am using. I'm going to look into those and work up the costs for different options and we'll all discuss that. One idea is for the website to ask for and collect donations to fund itself
thechromatograph3r 9/13/2022 7:46 AM
I can front a few dollars a month. The more of us that pitch in, the cheaper it becomes per person
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JohnBrosGhost 9/13/2022 3:49 PM
@Steve Mike did you mask your personal ID info on the WHOIS lookup?
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Yeah the hosting service I use is big on that, they mask it and the location of the servers is randomized.
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It said Reykjavik Iceland last I checked
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Fun fact, if you use a .us domain they have to show your info
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I can front a few dollars a month. The more of us that pitch in, the cheaper it becomes per person
Thanks Corvo! I appreciate that. I'll get with you on that
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/13/2022 5:46 PM
maybe a way to anonymously donate some money for hosting costs would be nice
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used /quickpoll
Carl-bot BOT 9/14/2022 8:47 AM
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Whoops wrong dates
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used /quickpoll
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Ah, so we also have a General meeting for this Sunday 9/18 12:00 PM EST, so lets just plan on joining that one, and if we need to stay late after it for more discussion we can do that. https://discord.com/channels/990403086675759136/990403087837569026/1019606276797378671
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(Below text is copy pasted from Steve Mike in #web-development) Alright! So we're gonna build a kick-ass website. We own the domains for http://americanironfront.org as well as .com and .net which currently both redirect to the .org. We can change that later if we want to point to the .com or...
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made a google doc for ideas, go at it
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Nice! I started a doc as well, lets keep putting ideas down wherever. We'll end up using something like Trello to manage the project, that's on my list of things for us to discuss this Sunday. We can then compile everything onto the shared workspace which will be pretty cool. You all might need email addresses to create a user account, and I think we really need to all use encrypted email addresses that do not connect your identity back to here or anywhere. Proton mail is super easy and quick, I just created an account on it and I'll be using it for this project
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Proton provides encrypted services that keep your emails, files, and online activity private. Over 50 million people use Proton to stay secure online for free.
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I recommend setting up a network of mirrors hosted all over, with the primary domain in a very nice political niche.
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The best email privacy is using GPG on an old school MUA mail app like Thunderbird.
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A #gpg-signing-party channel would be a good idea.
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GPG requires its own opsec doc and protocol.
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Skullmaggot 9/16/2022 12:23 AM
Anybody with wiki experience?
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Skullmaggot 9/16/2022 12:49 AM
@RaiseRuntimeError Heya, I think I finally have a possible programming project, though I don't understand the specifics for getting it to work in tandem with a website. I would like to try to automate updating our Human Resources file with an online questionnaire that people can fill out and take that data and append it to a file. I would also think I would want an easy way to search for people in the file by state or skill, essentially making a simple applicant tracking system (ATS). Is this something that would be in your wheelhouse, and would you be interested? Actually, maybe I should research free ATSs more first. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 9/16/2022 1:06 AM
@BR9TTG9M9RS9N I don't suppose you can help me learn Trello? I have a massive todo list that I need to help visualize to people and divvy up tasks. (edited)
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@RaiseRuntimeError Heya, I think I finally have a possible programming project, though I don't understand the specifics for getting it to work in tandem with a website. I would like to try to automate updating our Human Resources file with an online questionnaire that people can fill out and take that data and append it to a file. I would also think I would want an easy way to search for people in the file by state or skill, essentially making a simple applicant tracking system (ATS). Is this something that would be in your wheelhouse, and would you be interested? Actually, maybe I should research free ATSs more first. (edited)
RaiseRuntimeError 9/16/2022 8:12 AM
I might be able to find something that already does that otherwise I can make something pretty quick
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I might be able to find something that already does that otherwise I can make something pretty quick
Skullmaggot 9/16/2022 11:44 AM
Thanks. I hope to visualize all the projects happening, but things are coming together, itโ€™s pretty cool!
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/16/2022 12:06 PM
ok @Skullmaggot i have a few ideas but we will need to have a bit of a meeting to pin down the requirements before i decide to go with anything. I think i will have a solution that will work well for future plans.
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ok @Skullmaggot i have a few ideas but we will need to have a bit of a meeting to pin down the requirements before i decide to go with anything. I think i will have a solution that will work well for future plans.
Skullmaggot 9/16/2022 12:35 PM
We do have a general public meeting Sunday, but I expect to likely have another with Steve Mike and the website projectโ€ฆIf such a questionnaire is going to be part of the website, it might be appropriate to discuss it alongside the rest of the group.
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We do have a general public meeting Sunday, but I expect to likely have another with Steve Mike and the website projectโ€ฆIf such a questionnaire is going to be part of the website, it might be appropriate to discuss it alongside the rest of the group.
Yeah let's hash this out tomorrow at the meeting! Good to hear so many ideas and people with skills
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As mentioned just now in the meeting, we will be using Trello to manage the workflow for the website. You use an email address to create a user account on Trello For me to add you I'll need to send you a link to that email account, so DM me with an email address that is safe to use and I'll send you the link to join the Trello board
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 2:17 PM
I'll email you soon. Just going to have lunch first, I think.
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@Steve Mike @austinwiltshire @444aidan @curcale @JohnBrosGhost @possumtrot @NOT_wil_wheaton @RaiseRuntimeError @thechromatograph3r @BR9TTG9M9RS9N You all expressed interest in helping with the website, so I thought you should be the first to know we have a new role, @Website Involvement . You can get it yourself in #role-selection by reacting with โŒจ๏ธ , or contact me to get it for you. There's now a special channel called #website-project for people with that role, that we can use as a launching off point. (edited)
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@Steve Mike @austinwiltshire @444aidan @curcale @JohnBrosGhost @possumtrot @NOT_wil_wheaton @RaiseRuntimeError @thechromatograph3r @BR9TTG9M9RS9N You all expressed interest in helping with the website, so I thought you should be the first to know we have a new role, @Website Involvement . You can get it yourself in #role-selection by reacting with โŒจ๏ธ , or contact me to get it for you. There's now a special channel called #website-project for people with that role, that we can use as a launching off point. (edited)
Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 7:44 PM
Wait a second, I had gauged interest, but I havenโ€™t yet reached out to all of them. They all were contributing ideas on this channel, however.
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I think theyโ€™d want to
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Ut-oh. I suppose I should have checked before pinging. Shouldn't be a big problem though.
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 7:45 PM
Sโ€™alright
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@RaiseRuntimeError Heya, I think I finally have a possible programming project, though I don't understand the specifics for getting it to work in tandem with a website. I would like to try to automate updating our Human Resources file with an online questionnaire that people can fill out and take that data and append it to a file. I would also think I would want an easy way to search for people in the file by state or skill, essentially making a simple applicant tracking system (ATS). Is this something that would be in your wheelhouse, and would you be interested? Actually, maybe I should research free ATSs more first. (edited)
austinwiltshire 9/18/2022 8:18 PM
Google sheets can use a Google forms front end and I think do precisely this
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NOT_wil_wheaton 9/18/2022 8:33 PM
If youโ€™re ready to move folks there, then โŒจ๏ธ but it looks like that may not be the case. Iโ€™m ready if yโ€™all are though
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OK. I am an IT architect. I have some questions which will eventually come up while working on this project, and I think it would be super helpful to collect the questions and answers in a requirements document so that the work can change hands easily without losing focus.
6:17 PM
First question: what's the story of how this automated HR form would work, minimally, I mean bare minimum, from start to finish? We could probably all guess, but we might not guess the same, so having one story to work from is key.
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Second question: what are we doing so far, and what have we learned along the way to get there.
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Third question: what are the consequences if we don't deliver the web page, and what sort of possibilities open up if we absolutely kill it beyond expectations?
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I've offered to show @Skullmaggot how to use GitHub. I want to open that up to anyone here, and maybe do regular sessions because lets face it, things could get fancy/complex pretty fast.
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 6:34 PM
I was thinking to keep things agile and generic to go with Appsmith for creating internal applications like @Skullmaggot's tool. I was spinning up a demo to get to know it a little better but it has integrations for almost any backend, even our own APIs and Google Sheets so we can link it up to Google Forms pretty easily. @1uc2 you are right with your 3 points, cant do much without a decent user story.
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I'm SUPER suspicious of low-code platforms because in principle they are all about fooling yourself.
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 6:37 PM
Yeah if they get complex i agree, move complexity to our own API and just use Appsmith for the easy stuff
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Code is codification of decisions. Sometimes coding languages force people to make extra decisions (called sit-ups), but usually there are decisions made for you that you will regret later.
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I'm also dubious of platforms with unknown supply chains and vulnerabilities when essentially we're an organized political resistance, and WILL get cyber warfare targeted.
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 6:39 PM
one thing i liked about appsmith was embedding it in iframs
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Oh i dont think anything we make with this should be forward facing
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We need to think with martial priorities because we are a martial concern, and should get military grade tech where we can, and make do when we must.
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 6:40 PM
but if we are just making fancy tables of information, no reason to reinvent the wheel
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I'm enjoying a 3-day Reddit ban because someone in an antifascist subreddit didn't like me pointing out that certain crimes make criminals vulnerable to things like the Nazi Hunters in postwar Europe.
6:42 PM
It's all just fancy tables. There's rarely anything more than that.
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It's all just fancy tables. There's rarely anything more than that.
RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 6:43 PM
yes, fancy graphs too
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Oh. I am such a sucker for sexy charts.
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 6:43 PM
oh i was talking about graph theory
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Have a look at the Neo4J OReilly book. It's two tables: nodes, and edges.
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 6:44 PM
are you speaking fifth normal form to me?
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The graph theory stuff is all different ways to summarize a graph traversal.
6:47 PM
I love graph data though. Schemaless data is visionary.
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Big problem over the next horizon: however valuable the database of people is, it's equally dangerous at least, if it fell into the wrong hands.
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Lets just keep that in mind, and avoid cutting the really scary corners.
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Also, I hope to use this as an opportunity to upskill some people in technology whoever WANTS to learn.
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... only antifascists though.
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 6:54 PM
Thats why its so fun whenever there are right wing chud data leaks, I'm sure there are rich-wingers like me that would scoop them up (edited)
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I weep tears of joy whenever I read about projects like that.
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Richard Lee Winger (born August 27, 1943) is an American political activist and analyst. He is the publisher and editor of Ballot Access News. He sits on the editorial board of the Election Law Journal. Winger publishes analysis, statistics and legal information and supports expanded access to the ballot for minor parties.
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RaiseRuntimeError 9/19/2022 7:02 PM
oh i missed an e meant "reich-winger"
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austinwiltshire 9/19/2022 9:17 PM
I'll advocate for the other horn of that dilemma and note a) a website we don't build won't get used at all, b) insisting on tech the main team doesn't know can open up other kinds of security concerns and c) I haven't heard anyone mention anything web app worthy. We're barely beyond a WordPress site. So low code may work just fine.
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User story approach is great. Right now I'd say the real feature we need to make as an mvp is "is there a core team here who can build a website". As a defender of freedom, I want a website that says hello world, so that I know we have the skills necessary to iterate from there.
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I proposed a meeting for all of us last Sunday to coincide with the general meeting, and no one showed up, lol. I mentioned it here, I'm guessing no one saw that. So I asked for a web developer role so that I can ping everyone.
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I worked up all of the ideas that you all have posted in this channel and summarized them. We can schedule another meeting and I can go over it again
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User story approach is great. Right now I'd say the real feature we need to make as an mvp is "is there a core team here who can build a website". As a defender of freedom, I want a website that says hello world, so that I know we have the skills necessary to iterate from there.
That's one of the basic ideas me and the others agreed on past Sunday
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MVP then we add more features as we go
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Got a GitHub or GitLab or even just a host VM or DNS domain yet?
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austinwiltshire 9/19/2022 10:33 PM
I usually cannot make meetings due to kid duties so I just try and read these chats
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Skullmaggot 9/19/2022 10:58 PM
I suppose I should call up the web security people because this is all getting beyond my graphic designer brain!
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I was thinking to keep things agile and generic to go with Appsmith for creating internal applications like @Skullmaggot's tool. I was spinning up a demo to get to know it a little better but it has integrations for almost any backend, even our own APIs and Google Sheets so we can link it up to Google Forms pretty easily. @1uc2 you are right with your 3 points, cant do much without a decent user story.
Skullmaggot 9/19/2022 10:59 PM
Iโ€™ll look up user story because I donโ€™t know this term.
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I proposed a meeting for all of us last Sunday to coincide with the general meeting, and no one showed up, lol. I mentioned it here, I'm guessing no one saw that. So I asked for a web developer role so that I can ping everyone.
Skullmaggot 9/19/2022 11:02 PM
There is a Website Involvement role that should be in the #role-selection channel.
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I usually cannot make meetings due to kid duties so I just try and read these chats
Skullmaggot 9/19/2022 11:03 PM
We have #meeting-notes
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I proposed a meeting for all of us last Sunday to coincide with the general meeting, and no one showed up, lol. I mentioned it here, I'm guessing no one saw that. So I asked for a web developer role so that I can ping everyone.
Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 1:14 AM
You can also use when2meet to schedule things.
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Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 1:44 AM
To the people interested in the website: Be sure to get the "Wanting to help with the website project" Website Involvement to get pings ( #role-selection ) . Then also use an anonymous email to create a Trello account to get on Steve Mike's Trello for the project. You need to send him your anonymous email. (edited)
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I worked up all of the ideas that you all have posted in this channel and summarized them. We can schedule another meeting and I can go over it again
RaiseRuntimeError 9/20/2022 7:36 AM
Sorry for not showing up, I got covid this week and forgot. @Skullmaggot I wrote up a small project proposal though for one of my ideas
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Alright. Sorry for getting butthurt. I too have a lot going on and this is proving difficult to organize everyone in between full time job and other things. To answer a few questions, we have several domains secured, need to decide if we want ironfrontusa.org or americanironfront.org. So far we have started working on a static page using Vue, something simple at first. Here is the outline from Sunday:
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i like americanironfront.org
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someone should do a vote thing for it
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@Casey is a badass on web dev, they are real busy right now but are available to help me with technical stuff. We are going to get a Github started soon for the group but I think for now we can all jump on the Trello and hash out the design ideas first.
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I'm going to go ahead, since I just set up my pseudonymous Proton mail, and create a starter GitHub repo+project+wiki. Once I get on Trello, I will pull cards from Trello to set people up on GitHub.
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When I get 2-3 people to bite on GitHub, I will start doing GitHub orientation, and we can start using the wiki right away.
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GitHub is charging $44/year/user for organizations with wiki. I suspect that's TTW editing access, but people can PR and merge wiki content without the org.
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I suepect the wikis for repos are included, but the detached org wiki is special.
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Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 5:41 PM
@1uc2 So, youโ€™re saying it can be done for free, or am I misunderstanding? Do we need some sort of budget?
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I'm going to donate the fees for my pro AIF account to set up the initial repos and wikis. Later, if we want to use GitHub's ability to share and transfer admin/ownership, we should get some budget. I have nonprofit connections if we need to go down that road, but aren't ready to incorporate yet.
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Also, we may decide to skip using the GitHub wiki as a public facing site, and just use web dev process and web hosting, which might be cheaper, and less frustrating. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 5:46 PM
Hmm, we havenโ€™t touched the money question yet. Some people have been contributing some, but itโ€™s been difficult to move forward with things and thus delivering on their investment. Make sure this is something youโ€™re okay with because things are a bit early and we arenโ€™t yet running smoothly.
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It's $4/month and I'm good.
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Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 5:47 PM
K. So web dev process can be used to make a wiki? What are the pros/cons?
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A wiki is just a kind of dynamic web site called a content management system (CMS): you can use web pages to edit other web pages. A wiki is a CMS designed for mostly open access.
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Most people are only familiar with CMS as a wiki, so the terms are somewhat interchangeable.
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I could set up a Plone, or MoinMoin, or any other free CMS software, and we'd have absolute control over the wiki, self-hosted.
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So the future is wide open, but we don't need to make any of those decisions yet.
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We could also just teach people to edit HTML or JSON content files, and manage changes through the GitHub pull request process.
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I have all the answers, but we don't know the questions yet.
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Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 5:52 PM
Okie dokie. I suppose. Iโ€™d be trying to figure out accessibility. For questions, you mean what information people want to find on the wiki?
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Yes. We'll need to have discussions about all the kinds of information, and who it's for, and how they should be able to find it.
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Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 5:56 PM
Iโ€™d be getting on Trello soon and hopefully having a brainstorming session. Thatโ€™s been the thing Iโ€™ve been trying to get from the start: collecting peopleโ€™s questions and asking them what information they need. Thereโ€™s also plenty of inspiration from SRA, DSA, and JBGC sites. A lot of the time itโ€™s a chicken-and-egg thing, where we could do a crappy job with the wiki first for people to then understand it as a resource, and then iterate upon it from there.
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FWIW, GitHub would function as a backup of the web site, as well as a very sophisticated undo-history for changes to the web site.
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I suspect it will be helpful to gather info in Trello and then move curated and sanitized cards to GitHub for internal planning and execution.
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GitHub also provides an issue ticket system to track and delegate ToDo items, with a kanban board style UI like Trello.
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I'll set up a VM to host the web site while we're staging it before go-live, and an automation to deploy whatever the latest golden version of the web site we have in GitHub happens to be.
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I got full-stack chops, but limited time and hands, like everyone else in my shoes I expect.
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Who has the domain name registrations?
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Also: does anyone want to learn what I'm talking about doing?
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Who has the domain name registrations?
Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 6:14 PM
Refer to Steve Mike and Casey
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yeah @1uc2 hold on just a sec
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Skullmaggot 9/20/2022 6:15 PM
No rush, I know Iโ€™m beat after last week!
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we are looking at AWS for hosting
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already in the process of starting the Github
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How far along is that?
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https://github.com/AIFTechGuru1/AIFWeb/wiki <-- I can add people here now if that works.
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@1uc2 I got a 404 error clicking on that, is it supposed to do that?
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It's supposed to be private. Tell me the GitHub account to add and I'll add it.
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ah ok
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Then I'll make that account admin.
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So I'm not the only person who can add people.
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Im not sure we want to do that yet
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love your enthusiasm just need a sec to process
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At this point, I think a lot of people need to learn how this stuff should work, so I was hoping we could get something going pretty fast and then take what we've learned and redo whatever we decide.
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actually would be nice for us to schedule a voice meeting so we can talk about everything and spend some time working on things at the same time
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I'm super veteran of all this tech, so stop me and ask questions. There's no risk or major commitment happening so far.
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I'd like to get a core group of 3-4 people who know the landscape, so we have some coverage to make missing meetings less risky.
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so right now, @Casey has created a pretty cool template for a static website using Vue 3 and Vuetify. @1uc2 are you familiar with those?
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how do you feel about it?
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No, but I will figure it out in 10 minutes. If it's a static web site, it kinda doesn't matter I can deploy that ANYWHERE.
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I will show @Casey how to upload the files to the GitHub and trigger a deployment, and we'll all be able to see the demo site.
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its already hosted right now: http://ironfrontusa.org
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Oh, nice.
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although I prefer americanironfront.org as a domain
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We can actually set up the same web site to use both names, preferring one or neither.
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all the flyers and prop say americanironfront but the reddit and twitter say ironfrontusa. this is kind of an issue I think, would be nice to have just one single
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What kind of hosting is ironfrontusa.org pointing to? Is that the Vue3/Vuetify sandbox hosting?
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yeah but for branding and identity I think a single name would be better
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it's on AWS
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and we do have a private repo already set up, i mean, we just talked about this only yesterday so its all happening right now
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If someone is paying for that, and like @Skullmaggot said is OK shouldering that, and we're all OK with that, we'd just need to get GitHub in the middle of the designer --> hosting pipeline, and then it can work like designers --> github --> hosting.
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ok yeah sounds good I have not been pushing for the github just yet because I would like us to discuss design issues first on Trello but that sounds like what youre saying also, right?
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I think I got the impression things had kinda stalled somehow and thought I needed to step up.
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I'm very impressed with the energy of this crowd.
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Well yeah we do absolutely need people with good front-end skills so Im glad you're here!
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since there are moving parts with gears meshing and turning, I recommend we move practical work conversation about the web site to the other channel #website-project so this forum can be more open and friendly to interested but yet uninvolved people.
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yeah sounds good
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all the flyers and prop say americanironfront but the reddit and twitter say ironfrontusa. this is kind of an issue I think, would be nice to have just one single
austinwiltshire 9/20/2022 8:57 PM
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Feel free to kick me from the group if you need more effort. I am mostly a good peer reviewer for python, which it doesn't look like we're using, and software people management issues. Best over DMs if someone needs someone to bounce ideas off of
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/20/2022 10:42 PM
Do we have an Instagram account we could post things too?
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LessthanLoneWolf
Do we have an Instagram account we could post things too?
Skullmaggot 9/21/2022 1:48 AM
Not yeeeet!
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/21/2022 1:56 AM
@Skullmaggot should we make one? I can try and manage one if I have content to post. Think one overarching one or regional ones would work better? Or maybe a mix?
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LessthanLoneWolf
@Skullmaggot should we make one? I can try and manage one if I have content to post. Think one overarching one or regional ones would work better? Or maybe a mix?
Skullmaggot 9/21/2022 1:59 AM
I think we more or less have the go-ahead to if we have other media ramping up. The circle here is curcale and Krat. Curcale's wanted an instagram since the beginning, and they both do the Twitter now. You could discuss it with @curcale .
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LessthanLoneWolf 9/21/2022 2:00 AM
Roger that!
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Steve Mike
its already hosted right now: http://ironfrontusa.org
is this the first version? looks great! all we need now is a nice block of text that explains who we are
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Yeah we haven't yet discussed the colors, themes, layout, etc. but it is a solid framework that we can build off of.
8:12 AM
I have some text from JohnBrosGhost just need to add it
8:14 AM
DM me with an email address that you can use for the project and I'll add you to the Trello. Make sure it is an email address that you don't mind everyone knowing is connected to you
8:16 AM
Also, we are moving the discussion to #website-project. Not currently able to ping everyone with the "website involvement" role
8:16 AM
Not trying to ping "everyone"
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Guess I could do @here for those currently here, we are moving discussion to #website-project
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Steve Mike
all the flyers and prop say americanironfront but the reddit and twitter say ironfrontusa. this is kind of an issue I think, would be nice to have just one single
thechromatograph3r 9/21/2022 10:56 AM
Seconded
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Skullmaggot
Not yeeeet!
thechromatograph3r 9/21/2022 10:57 AM
An Instagram would pair nicely with Twitter. Just avoid DikTok
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Steve Mike
all the flyers and prop say americanironfront but the reddit and twitter say ironfrontusa. this is kind of an issue I think, would be nice to have just one single
JohnBrosGhost 9/21/2022 4:11 PM
@Kraite do you want to weigh in on AIF vs IFUSA?
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Steve Mike
Guess I could do @here for those currently here, we are moving discussion to #website-project
NOT_wil_wheaton 9/22/2022 11:24 AM
Iโ€™m not seeing this channel.
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@NOT_wil_wheaton go to role selection and choose the website emoji in this message: https://discord.com/channels/990403086675759136/992277367710023801/1005926711734575174
11:43 AM
I believe that will give you the role to see the #website-project channel
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Skullmaggot 9/24/2022 3:44 AM
Project management tool is up on Github--the ultimate todo list. If you make a Github account with an anonymous email (e.g. Protonmail), I can add you to the project. You can add your own todos and find people to help you, and/or you can help with another task.
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@here For anyone not in the #website-project channel, we have a meeting scheduled right after the general meeting on Sunday Oct 2nd which begins at 12 PM EST. If you are interested in working on the AIF website, go to #role-selection and click on the โŒจ๏ธ to gain access to #website-project (edited)
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JohnBrosGhost 11/7/2022 8:52 PM
Sorry to co-opt this channel- I was wondering if anyone with experience in cyber security would take a gander at a new website I made before I start spreading it wide to tell me if there's any doxx-able information.
HowToJoinAntifa.org
8:53 PM
I registered with privacy settings & removed EXIF data from the one image on the website, but I'm not an expert in the field. Any security wonks able to check?
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JohnBrosGhost
I registered with privacy settings & removed EXIF data from the one image on the website, but I'm not an expert in the field. Any security wonks able to check?
There isn't much to it. Looks clean. Full privacy in WHOIS confirmed, looks like you used a site builder, but I didn't see any images. Nothing identifying in the HTML. I didn't look at the JS. I think you're fine.
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JohnBrosGhost 11/7/2022 10:31 PM
Sweet. Thanks for taking a look.
10:32 PM
Its a bit out of my depth, so wanted to confirm
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@Here can I get interested people to share their tech competencies? I don't need to know what people have mastered, but anything from some familiarity and interest to mastery, stuff that contributes to web development. Just post a reply to this message. That way when we start new tech initiatives we can make choices that involve/include the most people.
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@Eightman I already reached out to you, but @Skullmaggot wanted me to also connect with @OkraMonk , and @Casey, to coordinate planning for an internal-use organizing tool database app. I want to collect stories, backlog some items, and then plan a sprint.
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About creating that data-map thing?
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Yeah. In the meeting today, we talked about a hypothetical facility to help anonymous newbies connect with contacts from active local IF groups, or if there isn't one, put some safe contact information up for others nearby to connect.
5:19 PM
I don't think we're talking about putting exact pins on a map, but we can do stuff like aggregate groups of ~10 adjacent census tracts together, and let people identify their location as being within that region. There was also talk about providing template meeting agendas and plans for activities like flyering or attending protests, in case there's nobody with organizing experience nearby, or to just help provide safety guidelines and sane warnings of adversity people might face.
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Ah, so internal connections and outreach. I thought you meant the Inforapid/Popple hybrid for data tracking of terrible people.
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I worked up a preliminary data model for a graph database.
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6:44 PM
I'm going to start putting together a stack and set up a repo and fill in some backlog to MVP.
6:49 PM
I'd appreciate ideas if anyone wants to dream up some wireframes or UI designs.
6:49 PM
Otherwise I'll just make it up as I go.
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So here's a fun nugget to chew on: Pixelplanet has been utterly vandalized by magats and Nazis. i get a feeling the perpetrators are using some kind of app to put up all the Trump and Nazi shit quickly. Any ideas on what they might be using or if there's a way to counter it?
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It could be someone with some JavaScript skills and some ScriptMonkey in their browser(s).
7:11 PM
The best way to counter it is to teach an AI how to reface the defacement. A) recognize the vandalism [the hard part], B) cover it [trivial].
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Is there any way to whip up some kind of JavaScript thing that would put a bunch of pixels in a particular location? Like, could we figure out the coordinates of the giant swastika and have a bot slap three arrows on top of it?
7:15 PM
I can't imagine it would be too hard for somebody who knows their stuff to have some kind of JavaScript where you put in the coordinates, a size, and then let it go nuts.
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Bot for pixelplanet.fun. Several drawing modes are supported. - GitHub - TouchedByDarkness/PixelPlanet-Bot: Bot for pixelplanet.fun. Several drawing modes are supported.
7:22 PM
hard part is coming up with the fastest way to cover the bad pixels.
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Apparently the Russians are the biggest griefers. OSINT?
7:33 PM
Sad.
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JohnBrosGhost 12/4/2022 5:58 PM
@Steve Mike I just created an Indiana Iron Front Insta if you'd be able to link it on the website. @Indiana_Iron_Front (edited)
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JohnBrosGhost
@Steve Mike I just created an Indiana Iron Front Insta if you'd be able to link it on the website. @Indiana_Iron_Front (edited)
will do
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JohnBrosGhost 12/5/2022 9:06 AM
Appreciate ya, bud
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highspeedchase 12/5/2022 5:37 PM
Reporting for duty ๐Ÿซก I'm a web developer currently based in Indiana who has worked primarily with JavaScript and React. I also know a bit of Java and wouldn't be against trying to learn a new framework (@Steve Mike mentioned vue.js). I currently work at an <undisclosed> cloud software company and use a lot of proprietary languages/tech, so I'd love to keep my JS skills fresh, especially if it helps bring the fash down. (edited)
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highspeedchase
Reporting for duty ๐Ÿซก I'm a web developer currently based in Indiana who has worked primarily with JavaScript and React. I also know a bit of Java and wouldn't be against trying to learn a new framework (@Steve Mike mentioned vue.js). I currently work at an <undisclosed> cloud software company and use a lot of proprietary languages/tech, so I'd love to keep my JS skills fresh, especially if it helps bring the fash down. (edited)
Please make a secure/private/untraceable GitHub account, and get ready for a design discussion about an app to help local IronFront sympathetic people find each other and organize together.
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rayne.brown 12/7/2022 2:37 PM
I have the role tagged but wanted to introduce/post here just in case someone needs to ping me. I'm web/cloud software developer, tech stack is mostly PERN/MERN with vanilla JavaScript/HTML/CSS. I also work with github/git at least weekly so could help in a devops role as well. Excited to meet y'all and code the fascists down ๐Ÿ”ฅ (edited)
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In early 2023, Mozilla will stand up and test a publicly accessible instance in the Fediverse at Mozilla.Social. Weโ€™re eager to join the community in gro
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Richard Baine 12/30/2022 10:12 AM
I am a recent graduate from App Academy (express flask react/redux) willing to help however I can. I have a private / throwaway GitHub account setup.
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Richard Baine
I am a recent graduate from App Academy (express flask react/redux) willing to help however I can. I have a private / throwaway GitHub account setup.
Sounds great! I'll get with you next week. In the meantime take a look at http://ironfrontusa.org We need to rewrite that site using React
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I accidentally murdered my lab server, and I'm doing the painstaking bare-metal restore from backups ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
2:15 PM
When it's back up and running, I expect to get libvirt mess cleaned up, and will be able to provide CI/CD target VM running git master@HEAD snapshots, maybe even with webhooks to refresh on commit.
2:17 PM
For security, I'll likely use a portknocking setup. Question: does anyone know of an app that works for mobile to do portknocking sequence?
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I accidentally murdered my lab server, and I'm doing the painstaking bare-metal restore from backups ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
My condolences ๐Ÿ˜ข
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Skullmaggot 1/5/2023 11:55 PM
@Steve Mike Do you think it would be possible to have a survey to fill out and submit on the website?
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@Skullmaggot Mmm hmm (edited)
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Steve Mike
@Skullmaggot Mmm hmm (edited)
Skullmaggot 1/7/2023 12:53 AM
Here's an updated survey for the information we're looking for. The parentheses are checkboxes since I've been using a program other than Microsoft Word and it doesn't transfer. I'm not asking for personal emails or anything identifiable on the survey, so we're at a dearth if we're unable to contact them. So, people who fill it out should be able to be directed to our spaces such as the Discord. It might come later that we put on there that they should have an anonymous email (e.g. ProtonMail) ready.
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@Steve Mike I've also begun to lean more heavily into delegation. I've come to understand it less "telling people what to do" and more as a way to communicate what's going on and what people can do. Let me know if you're up for any tasks and if you have any preferences. I still prioritize what people want to work towards, so I'd be assigning things that would help with what you're personally trying to accomplish. Also, since I hate asymmetric relationships, feel free to give me tasks as well and I'll do them.
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Skullmaggot
Here's an updated survey for the information we're looking for. The parentheses are checkboxes since I've been using a program other than Microsoft Word and it doesn't transfer. I'm not asking for personal emails or anything identifiable on the survey, so we're at a dearth if we're unable to contact them. So, people who fill it out should be able to be directed to our spaces such as the Discord. It might come later that we put on there that they should have an anonymous email (e.g. ProtonMail) ready.
@Website Involvement So, we could without much effort throw this into a Google Forms document and embed it on the website using an <iframe> tag. It will look like shit on mobile devices but work fine on desktop. We can then use simple spreadsheet tech to analyze and use the data. Unless there are any major objections I will add a Google Form to the "Get Involved" page of the website. If we can get any experienced web developers to help with the project I would like to use a different solution. I trust Google to keep the data safe from breaches but I also don't think we should lean on Google in the long run. Also, it needs to not look like shit on mobile. Again, we still do not have a web dev team to speak of, so if you are reading this and can help build the site please let us all know. Right now any language or framework is being considered
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Steve Mike 1/7/2023 2:35 PM
did you mean to DM that? if not that's cool too, just seemed like the DM category, wanted to ask
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I don't know what you are talking about Steve
2:41 PM
I didn't see anything.
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Steve Mike 1/8/2023 9:58 AM
Twas deleted
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Richard Baine 1/9/2023 2:11 PM
I could make a form if you want through a github page and just have it be sent to your email sort of like this contact form. https://richard-m-baine.github.io/ it would be something like the contact page but the site would be more bare bones I mostly copied the css. (edited)
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Richard Baine
I could make a form if you want through a github page and just have it be sent to your email sort of like this contact form. https://richard-m-baine.github.io/ it would be something like the contact page but the site would be more bare bones I mostly copied the css. (edited)
Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 10:28 PM
Depending on the person, you may need to @ them so that they see your post. I always want to be @ -ed because I'm bouncing around everywhere. Are you getting input?
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Richard Baine 1/11/2023 1:55 PM
yea I am good. I have to do a project for a non profit here then can circle back @Skullmaggot . I have no idea about vue @Steve Mike but would like to learn.
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Deleted User 3/1/2023 12:36 AM
good evening y'all, i'm oliphaunt. i understand there's a website that needs migrating
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i'm a full-stack dev with 5 years experience in the web industry, and i've touched many different technologies in my time
12:38 AM
i prefer working in next.js, with sanity CRM if necessary
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i prefer working in next.js, with sanity CRM if necessary
The plan is to migrate toward React given its extensive user-base, so Next sounds like a good move given your expertise. @Steve Mike is your guy so shoot him a message.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/8/2023 11:30 AM
I feel like the website should get a bit less sanitized language. I actually left once before joining again because the whole language of the place gave me very liberal-y vibes, and iโ€™m afraid we may accidentally do that to other people
11:34 AM
of course if you look deeply at it, the place is more radical than it appears, but a quick skim does give off a certain impression
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
I feel like the website should get a bit less sanitized language. I actually left once before joining again because the whole language of the place gave me very liberal-y vibes, and iโ€™m afraid we may accidentally do that to other people
A fair amount of it was taken directly from the Iron Front Wiki page. We definitely need writers to work on the content, so by all means share your suggestions.
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Skullmaggot 3/20/2023 2:33 AM
@Steve Mike Just letting you know that http://ironfrontusa.com/ is heading to a broken page for me right now. I instead end up going to http://ironfrontusa.com/index.html for the main page.
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Skullmaggot 3/20/2023 2:45 AM
@Steve Mike Also, would we be able to get a generic contact email (preferably a ProtonMail) on the website? It seems a little odd not to have one, and it serves as a way for other orgs to verify that the people representing themselves as being part of (the public side of) AIF are who they say they are. (edited)
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ignore that other asshole, I'M the real oliphaunt
11:33 PM
i am back y'all
11:33 PM
site is pretty much set, take a look! https://aif-next.vercel.app/
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Don't click! It's another phishing link!!! /j (edited)
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/29/2023 11:14 PM
Reported it.
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Itโ€™s not a phishing link, it is their live demo of the Next.js migration.
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I even used the dumb /j and you still didn't realize
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knuckles
I even used the dumb /j and you still didn't realize
I had realized, the problem is others had not and opted to report. Perhaps don't hide your /j under a spoiler next time.
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Micah Thomas 4/3/2023 8:15 PM
hey everybody! I'm new to AIF and would like to help out anyway that I can. I noticed that the website is missing a SSL certificate. This causes web browsers to flag it as unsafe, and it creates a security vulnerability for end users. Usually super easy to fix with the webhost.
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Micah Thomas 4/3/2023 8:30 PM
looks like the .org site is OK. its the .com thats missing the SSL
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it shall be fixed in time, esp when my rework goes live
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thank you for the heads up though โค๏ธ
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Skullmaggot 4/7/2023 2:41 AM
Do we have permanent QR codes for the new website(s)? Also, would it be possible put a (general) contact email (e.g. Protonmail) on the site(s). A contact email would allow us to use the websites as a light way of verifying connection to the site. The third thing is that the main http://ironfrontusa.com/ is buggy on my end and I have to go to http://ironfrontusa.com/index.html for it to be resolved.
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well that's odd, no idea why that would be happening. let me know where you want the contact email and i can make it happen, though we need to do a couple things before the new version can go live
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namely: 1. create a AIF specific vercel account, bc i can't commit to running it 2. re-deploy the new site using that vercel account (very simple) 3. point the domain to the new site
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joe hillโ€™s revenge 4/15/2023 4:56 PM
Would anyone be able to represent the web development team at tomorrows general meeting? Date: Sunday 4/16 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: mutual aid (I got a list of people who seem to have connections, and we can probably put together a network), marketing, networking (National Lawyers Guild?)
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i can do that.
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Hello web team. Front end developer here. If youโ€™ve got something I could help with Iโ€™d like to offer my services. I currently work for a marketing agency doing web design and development. Currently I work with html/css/js but have experience with php as well. If any of that could be useful let me know.
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joe hillโ€™s revenge 4/27/2023 12:19 PM
Public Meeting Date: Sunday 4/30 When: 9 AM PST/12 PM EST (noon) Where: Meeting Room voice chat channel Topics: TBA
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Frederick Piratin 7/10/2023 2:14 PM
Hey, not sure where to post this, but I was looking today on DuckDuckGo and noticed that there are two different AIF websites. There's "https://www.ironfrontusa.org" and "https://www.ironfrontusa.com". Not sure which of them is official, and if one of them is a fake.
4:14 PM
Can yall help me with this by any chance?
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Micah Thomas 7/17/2023 9:14 PM
I can help with the website, it is missing the SSL certificate. this causes browsers to flag it as insecure, and google and other search engines will stop crawling and listing it in results
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Micah Thomas
I can help with the website, it is missing the SSL certificate. this causes browsers to flag it as insecure, and google and other search engines will stop crawling and listing it in results
The .com is an unmaintained test website while we were migrating from Vue to React.
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I've got lots of IT experience if people need help with anything, add me to the pile
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I do lots of web stuff if we have an active project that needs help.
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Anyone got time to come up with a canadian spinoff IF website? I can send money or crypto to maintain, I want to do it out of the country and preferably a state with privacy laws protecting website owner identity from a domain owner lookup
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