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Hi all. I'm going to be muted for a bit
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I'll be free to talk I like 20 min if this is still going
9:25 PM
Listening though
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SharaHuffle 7/1/2022 9:27 PM
πŸ–οΈ
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Dont we have this
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Hdjdjdjddjdjdjfjfjdjjffifu
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βœ‹
9:28 PM
Sorry I'm dropping someone at airport.
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 9:29 PM
found it
9:29 PM
I am a graphic designer...rather, I just graduated.
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I can make flyers and animations.
9:30 PM
Macromedia Flash NEVER DIE!
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 9:30 PM
I'm making a list of all people who have graphic design experience.
9:31 PM
@Marusya graphic designers -DiscleavingNoise; S California, graphic designer, VP of comic artists group -Dr_Diskette; Florida, graphic design, discord mod -Kryptik; Michigan, graphic design, experience in community outreach -Marusya; Salt Lake City, Utah, web developer, graphic designer -Skullmaggot; N California, chemistry, graphic design (edited)
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Skullmaggot
I'm making a list of all people who have graphic design experience.
I'm going to shout out for people who are interested in graphic design to contact you, is that okay?
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 9:32 PM
@Farren Yup!
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Skullmaggot
@Farren Yup!
will do
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Skullmaggot
@Farren Yup!
want to do all skillsets, like if you want to have a role in the "call to action" group?
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 9:33 PM
@Marusya There is a professional photographer in the group.
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9:34 PM
@Marusya -egaleagle (Nick King); M Colorado; teaches leadership skills, survival skills, professional photographer, drone pilot
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oldfuzybear 7/1/2022 9:42 PM
have to head out. Everyone have a good evening.
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Bye then
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oldfuzybear
have to head out. Everyone have a good evening.
thanks for coming!
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Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 9:42 PM
Thanks for being here!
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Fire Krat
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Caydo 23 Pieces Screen Printing Starter kit Include 3 Different Size of Wood Silk Screen Printing Frame with Mesh, Screen Printing Squeegees, Inkjet Transparency Film, Ink Knife, and Mask Tape
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 9:46 PM
@oldfuzybear see ya!
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Also listed in the chat in graphic designers
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its called turning Point USA cause they are turning our democracy into a dictatorship
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turning point USA? Don't you mean...toilet paper USA?
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touche
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 9:51 PM
@WojtektheBear Put resources for OSINT if you haven't already.
9:52 PM
@Marusya absolutely!
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Also Dont do anything illegal got it Fed that is probably here
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leo1234.
Also Dont do anything illegal got it Fed that is probably here
no anarchist cookbook here officer
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Manifesto
10:00 PM
A Word With No Negitive Connotations
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 10:00 PM
lol
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A Kampf then?
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the best way to Save democracy is [REDACTED]
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Kraite
A Kampf then?
Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 10:01 PM
bid off there
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 10:01 PM
@WojtektheBear define what results you want and figure out how to get them
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Braakinthesaddle 7/1/2022 10:01 PM
big off ***
10:01 PM
big oof
10:01 PM
fuck!
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leo1234.
the best way to Save democracy is [REDACTED]
DEMOCRACY HAS BREACHED CONTAINMENT
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 10:01 PM
foof
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I would love a business card for local CCW laws/tips for those who wish to protect peaceful protests!
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Remember if you get arrested say Nothing except to your lawyer
10:04 PM
no matter what the police tell you
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egaleagle
I would love a business card for local CCW laws/tips for those who wish to protect peaceful protests!
one that is easily handed out to likeminded defenders would be great
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 10:06 PM
@Farren Don't be joking. I had covid last week and I'm still coughing.
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egaleagle
I would love a business card for local CCW laws/tips for those who wish to protect peaceful protests!
Yes. Very true. I think that's something we definitely need to prepare
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Skullmaggot
@Farren Don't be joking. I had covid last week and I'm still coughing.
Sorry. I apologize. I make that a habit at work because this one guy keeps coughing with his mouth open
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 10:07 PM
@Farren I'm being sarcastic. Joke is joke.
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Skullmaggot
@Farren I'm being sarcastic. Joke is joke.
oh okie πŸ₯Ί
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Farren
Sorry. I apologize. I make that a habit at work because this one guy keeps coughing with his mouth open
Slap your coworker
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Kraite
Slap your coworker
I would but me wagey cagey and like job's big money (edited)
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Figma
10:10 PM
More Like
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NordicThor_ 7/1/2022 10:10 PM
I did
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Ligma
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don't say it
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NordicThor_ 7/1/2022 10:12 PM
Late to the call, but the mission statement looks good!
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NordicThor_
Late to the call, but the mission statement looks good!
no problem, glad you could join us!
10:15 PM
@The Dozer did you want to say something?
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Thats a Amazing Idea
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NordicThor_ 7/1/2022 10:18 PM
This came up in the GD channel, but we don’t HAVE to be the iron front, really lol
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@egaleagle sorry about that I saw your mic pick up and thought you were trying to make a point
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sorry! Taking the dog out and thought I was muted πŸ˜‚
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egaleagle
sorry! Taking the dog out and thought I was muted πŸ˜‚
no prob at all! lol
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@WojtektheBear that was NZ
10:19 PM
not america
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g2g y’all! Excited to be more active with the front, let me know if we need organizers in Colorado
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egaleagle
g2g y’all! Excited to be more active with the front, let me know if we need organizers in Colorado
thanks for joining and coming to the meeting!
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I propose we change our Name To The NLD National League for Democracy
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Bye ya'll I got to go
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 10:23 PM
Bye!
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CoyoBoyo
Bye ya'll I got to go
Thanks for joining! Take care!
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Skullmaggot 7/1/2022 10:23 PM
bye
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@Skullmaggot Hi there. You made it
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 7:58 PM
I am in the chat. I will be muted.
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7:59 PM
I got sick and got nothing done today. Oh well.
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Skullmaggot
I got sick and got nothing done today. Oh well.
It happens. Tomorrow's a new day.
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 7:59 PM
hi
8:00 PM
@Braakinthesaddle is from AIF Arizona
8:03 PM
I think we're mostly doing public-facing stuff at the moment.
8:03 PM
you cut out
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@Skullmaggot do we have a preference in regards to where design files are kept yet?
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:06 PM
No preference yet, I'm afraid. There is supposedly @WindandGales 's image repository, but I haven't checked it out yet.
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hiya
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Skullmaggot
No preference yet, I'm afraid. There is supposedly @WindandGales 's image repository, but I haven't checked it out yet.
WindandGales 7/9/2022 8:08 PM
I made a drive folder for my video edits but if there's a better place on here or some where else to store things like that I'll navigate my videos over there
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:09 PM
I'm new since Roe v. Wade.
8:10 PM
Just with the collab, not AIF itself exactly.
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:12 PM
is anyone keeping notes?
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:12 PM
I will but everybody should.
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:14 PM
Design meeting notes:
  • "AIF" is too close in edit distance to "antifa"
  • We need to invest more into what we're for versus what we're against
  • More Americana.
  • Do the 3 arrows look fashy?
  • Appropriating imagery from the past may not be the best plan for today.
  • PsyOps needs to be involved in development of propaganda, and specific messaging.
  • Certain american symbols are undesirable to the right. Symbols like the Statue of Liberty.
  • The word Union is powerful.
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:16 PM
Are you in the figma?
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:16 PM
no
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:16 PM
Figma link above
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:16 PM
thanks
8:16 PM
repostin for you
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:18 PM
as well as with other antifascist groups, it seems
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I don't know how to raise my hand so I'll just do it like DSA and say stack lol
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mr.rogers
I don't know how to raise my hand so I'll just do it like DSA and say stack lol
Braakinthesaddle 7/9/2022 8:22 PM
I'm also trying to figure that out as well lol
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:23 PM
hey @Deleted User
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 8:24 PM
hi
8:25 PM
how do i raise my hand?
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:25 PM
Unfortunately I need to leave in five minutes. I was mostly going to take about brighter colors to elicit a positive non-fascist feeling, but that's not necessarily saying anything what we're for or against.
8:27 PM
yup yup, democracy!
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 8:28 PM
id like to say somthing next
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:28 PM
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:28 PM
@Deleted User, you're muted
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 8:28 PM
ok
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Freedom over Fascism sounds nice to me
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:29 PM
"freedom" is also coopted by the right
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'Freedom' is going to be used by the right 'Democracy' almost never would
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 8:30 PM
Got to go!
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 8:30 PM
thanks
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One second
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Something that comes to mind is twisting the "traditional family" type imagery but with LGBTQ, BIPOC families etc. Also modernizing the design anesthetics so while they call back to the Americana style, it is more "flat" and "minimal". I completely understand your perspective on the use of "freedom", but simultaneously was under the impression we are attempting to redefine the terms they have co-opted.
8:33 PM
I'm gonna stay in the chat here cause I'm in a noisy grocery store lol.
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:34 PM
ok
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My biggest concern since I discovered IF has actually been the word "front", simply cause of allowing the "both sides" stuff to happen with Patriot front, similar to when someone mentions MAGA and then the response is "what about Antifa?"
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:35 PM
no audio
8:35 PM
"a couple of questions I like to ask" ...
8:35 PM
yes
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 8:35 PM
i think we should use the colors of red white and blue instead of the flag
8:35 PM
we should also use the symboism of the north star
8:36 PM
a 4 point one
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My personal favorite logo is the final on the right that Marusya has submitted. It is scalable, contains arrows, and very brandable.
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 8:36 PM
it uses the imagery of stars that has liberation roots
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Furthermore, it would look good in black and white still
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 8:37 PM
slaves looked towards the north star to freedom
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I agree
8:39 PM
I am 100% for American colors. We had this discussion many times in DSA, about taking American branding and using it. I was firmly on the yes side. I think from a pragmatic standpoint it is the best choice.
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:44 PM
this is the most frustrating thing ever
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Can anyone hear me
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 8:45 PM
Imperfect as our union may be, it's ours. We should take back the imagery and the language of patriotism. We should take back the language of fealty to the US Constitution. This is our government, we are the majority. Give them no space to declare themselves Patriots when they stand before the true defenders of the constitution
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yyyy
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yyyy
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I like Futura but if we're trying to distance from antifa maybe not the best idea lol
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Dr_Diskette 7/9/2022 8:55 PM
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For these reasons I will say again I am a big fan of M's last logo
9:05 PM
But I only glanced this current convo was at the grocery store lol
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That is true, we can claim the statue of liberty, as its kind of not being used by anyone else
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I like the torch star idea, but would have to see the execution
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 9:07 PM
wed have to start from scatch
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I think attachment to symbolism is identitarianism but maybe I'm using that word wrong
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Yeah, there will need to be a lot of time put into developing the liberty idea
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Just seems pointless to care in my view
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but the liberty star could prove powerful in the end once the time is put in
9:09 PM
I made this a while back for another org
9:09 PM
Not political though
9:10 PM
Kinda amateur but inspiration for you maybe
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The Dozer
but the liberty star could prove powerful in the end once the time is put in
Deleted User 7/9/2022 9:10 PM
i concur
9:11 PM
so many good ideas
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Vintage airbender
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9:11 PM
It's Gucci
9:12 PM
I'm a proto-zoomer and I can't even keep up
9:13 PM
Fellow proto zoomers
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 9:13 PM
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Dope AF
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 9:14 PM
Italians also designed Benito Mussolini
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 9:14 PM
everyone makes mistakes
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 9:15 PM
nissans are okay
9:15 PM
Napoleon Dynamite?
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I'm a big fan the uh Toyota Prius πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 9:15 PM
who doesn't like 55mpg?
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Illustrator is a fever dream to me
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I'm a raster master, and can fudge my way through basic vectoring
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Muh… sleppy 7/9/2022 9:18 PM
9:19 PM
to see our figma
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@Skullmaggot do you have a list of people who can use vector software/design software?
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Muh… sleppy 7/9/2022 9:21 PM
Nice looks good I could try and do a Idaho three stripes image
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Doctor Eval 7/9/2022 9:21 PM
would prefer a laid person's perspective (edited)
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Doctor Eval
would prefer a laid person's perspective (edited)
Braakinthesaddle 7/9/2022 9:23 PM
Well I am married so...
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Yeah I might give it a go
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Dr_Diskette 7/9/2022 9:24 PM
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Wheatpaste
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9:26 PM
🀫
9:26 PM
USPS Stickers
9:26 PM
Free 2 ur house
9:27 PM
Don't use these, not legal
9:27 PM
Do not use these
9:27 PM
Thanks M
9:28 PM
I like all of the designs
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Dr_Diskette 7/9/2022 9:30 PM
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Looks pretty fresh
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Dr_Diskette 7/9/2022 9:31 PM
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It represents resistance to centrism. Lol
9:32 PM
Make sure it's slightly left though. You'll have to run it by psy ops.
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Dr_Diskette 7/9/2022 9:32 PM
9:35 PM
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Not to brag or anything but this took me only 2 minutes. I'm so sorry.
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9:36 PM
Almost forgot. Okay I'm done I swear this is a serious meeting lol.
9:37 PM
Bravo friends have a good one.
9:38 PM
This org is what I was missing and the reason I left DSA
9:38 PM
Focused and necessary
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Deleted User 7/9/2022 9:38 PM
same!
9:38 PM
I was preparing to strike out on my own lol
9:39 PM
Fox News will call us "new antifa" My prediction
9:40 PM
Idgaf what anyone is besides fascist at this point
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9:41 PM
My experience with DSA is they are ineffective, that's all i can say.
9:42 PM
But I met good people there and it was my intro to activism
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'll be right back
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I don't like cops but if they fix themselves I think it can be better. They certainly should not be a military
9:47 PM
They're going to mischaracterize us no matter what, we can't appeal to them.
9:48 PM
We will attract normal non-chronically online political compass memers
9:53 PM
I think it's very important for organizations to be narrowly focused to avoid being ineffective. Being "non-ideological" and laser focused on being organized to resist american fascism will help give us the power to save our country.
9:54 PM
Conditional pacifism
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Dr_Diskette 7/9/2022 10:19 PM
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Democratic Discord
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Dr_Diskette 7/9/2022 10:26 PM
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brb
10:31 PM
back
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Amazing stuff like this:
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Dr_Diskette 7/9/2022 10:41 PM
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 11:59 AM
@curcale Hello, I am muted.
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what's up i am too
11:59 AM
just waiting for people to get in
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:00 PM
I'm just writing down people's skills from the introductions channel while I wait.
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i gotchu
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:01 PM
who scheduled this meeting?! lol
12:01 PM
morning
12:02 PM
Who's doing meeting minutes? (everybody should, but...)
12:03 PM
Just taking notes
12:04 PM
Marusa
12:04 PM
Maru-SAH
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:07 PM
True
12:09 PM
depends on the needs of the graphic, I'd imagine. Iron Front USA is more blocky (edited)
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i second that
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:10 PM
yep, that's why I suggested faces of people, but yeah, it's a chicken-and-egg situation
12:11 PM
I am asexual agender.
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:11 PM
we need an inclusive mascot
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:11 PM
*mascots?
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out of curiousity how many lgbt memebers do we have
12:12 PM
r/liberalgunowners
12:12 PM
r/sra
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:12 PM
@Marusya Check out r/liberalgunowners and r/SocialistRA
12:12 PM
me
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there's also the obvious r/antifascistsofreddit
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there's likely some lgbt+ ppl there
12:13 PM
tho that might be a sasuage party too
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:13 PM
gutberg's got ALL the connections
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joe hill’s revenge 7/10/2022 12:13 PM
Does anyone know about the nj European heritage club? They r the big fascist group in my state, they r allied with patriot front
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I dont understand what a sausage has to do with how someone identifies...
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:14 PM
its induendo
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joe hill’s revenge
Does anyone know about the nj European heritage club? They r the big fascist group in my state, they r allied with patriot front
THey are PF wannanbees
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:16 PM
@Marusya Agreed.
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joe hill’s revenge
Does anyone know about the nj European heritage club? They r the big fascist group in my state, they r allied with patriot front
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:17 PM
Is there an appreciable difference between militant and armed?
12:17 PM
Libraries=protect libraries, good symbolism
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Skullmaggot
Is there an appreciable difference between militant and armed?
To me, 'militant' refers to tactics and ideology, 'armed' justmeans w weapons
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Kraite
To me, 'militant' refers to tactics and ideology, 'armed' justmeans w weapons
Braakinthesaddle 7/10/2022 12:17 PM
Well said
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:18 PM
Libraries nice and quiet
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Skullmaggot
Libraries=protect libraries, good symbolism
joe hill’s revenge 7/10/2022 12:18 PM
Libraries are based
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:19 PM
break away from militancy
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12:20 PM
pro-democracy so far
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joe hill’s revenge
Does anyone know about the nj European heritage club? They r the big fascist group in my state, they r allied with patriot front
WojtektheBear 7/10/2022 12:20 PM
They are also at J6
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For anti-fascism?
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:20 PM
pro-voting rights, pro-equality
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:21 PM
we need specicific values that we believe in
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:21 PM
yep yep yep, branch package
12:21 PM
pipeline from public group to established chapter?
12:22 PM
@joe hill’s revenge good stuff
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:22 PM
if we say we believe in a society based on solidarity and love for example that's a positive and inclusive framming
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ANNE-TEE-FUH
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:23 PM
chicken-and-egg
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:23 PM
we also need to specifiy what we want and how we get it
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:23 PM
pro-LOVE
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Skullmaggot
pipeline from public group to established chapter?
joe hill’s revenge 7/10/2022 12:23 PM
Thx
12:23 PM
Iron front isn’t something that most Americans know about or understand.
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:24 PM
10 things we stand for, and how we get there
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joe hill’s revenge 7/10/2022 12:24 PM
Not a bad thing
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:24 PM
@joe hill’s revenge not originally my idea
12:25 PM
-pro-democracy, what does that mean? -pro-voting rights -pro-equality -pro-love? -separation of church and state
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joe hill’s revenge 7/10/2022 12:25 PM
But, it means that we’ll have to explain ourselves a lot
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Something like the Panthers' 10 point plan
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:26 PM
-pro-democracy, what does that mean? -pro-voting rights -pro-equality -pro-love? -separation of church and state -Puerto Rico and DC statehood/civil rights (edited)
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I think this all fits more broadly under the idea of being a pro-individual rights organization. So the right for people to live their lives as they want without fear of discrimination or attacks on their identity
12:27 PM
so lgbt+ rights
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voting rights
12:27 PM
all that
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:28 PM
i think what we dont need the speciifs right now
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If we want to reach out to indigenous folks, r/IndianCountry might be a good place to start
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:29 PM
@_Max I'm aware
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i think what i am hearing is a general support of unrepresented voices
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:29 PM
-pro-democracy, what does that mean? -pro-voting rights -pro-equality -pro-love? -separation of church and state -Puerto Rico and DC statehood/civil rights, taxation=representation -Native American rights -supporting unrepresented voices -rule of law, prosecutions -anti-monopoly, anti-oligarchy, anti-imperialism -inclusivity (edited)
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opposition to imperialism? A la russia invading ukraine?
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opposition to imperialism? A la russia invading ukraine?
Yes! Opposition to all imperialism!
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:31 PM
values goals and means that unite everyone here and are inclusive
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we need those before spcicifc policy
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Well of you want to persecute Murdoch we need to restore the integrity in media act that he undermined
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Anti-lobbying as well
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Age limits imo
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Anti-lobbying as well
Ehhh maybe? Not all lobbying is bad. I mean various groups can lobby right? So like pro-civil rights organizations and stuff like that
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the issue is the degree of influence oil companies and stuff have
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and that's cause of pervasive money in politics
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Can I get some of the veterans to weigh in a bit more on the idea of meeting in libraries? I think it's a powerful tool to show we aren't just left-wing Proud Boys, and libraries will keep members on a path of civic engagement rather than radical militancy. I co-founded the San Francisco chapter with Farren and we'll be holding our meetings in libraries to try to try to lead by example.
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Lobbying is a way for specific special interests to accomplish goals
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it's a mechanism more than anything else
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Ehhh maybe? Not all lobbying is bad. I mean various groups can lobby right? So like pro-civil rights organizations and stuff like that
I think it ignores a major problem in that why should we pay our representatives in order for us to achieve change and representation in our government
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:34 PM
@Dr_Diskette There are more LGBTQIA+ people, I believe. I wasn't recording that as of yet.
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diversity/inclusivity/welcoming environment (edited)
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Can I get some of the veterans to weigh in a bit more on the idea of meeting in libraries? I think it's a powerful tool to show we aren't just left-wing Proud Boys, and libraries will keep members on a path of civic engagement rather than radical militancy. I co-founded the San Francisco chapter with Farren and we'll be holding our meetings in libraries to try to try to lead by example.
Braakinthesaddle 7/10/2022 12:35 PM
I love the library idea. I can start posting up in the library at my college when the semester starts back up next months
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:35 PM
the library idea can go well with community education
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:36 PM
MUTUAL AID
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-pro-democracy, what does that mean? -pro-voting rights -pro-equality -pro-love? -separation of church and state -Puerto Rico and DC statehood/civil rights, taxation=representation -Native American rights -supporting unrepresented voices -rule of law, prosecutions -anti-monopoly, anti-oligarchy, anti-imperialism, anti-lobbying, anti-corporate feudalism -inclusivity, diversity -mutual aid
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Speaking of outreach
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are there groups we don't want to work with?
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I'm part of DSA, and a lot of my local protests come through PSL
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I don't like PSL that much, i think they're too authoritarian apologists
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but they've been useful to protest with
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:37 PM
they are not allies
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fully agree
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I'm part of DSA, and a lot of my local protests come through PSL
I'm not a fan of PSL
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but we share some mutual enemies
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That being said we need to be pragmatic, and it's tough to do lefty organizing without rubbing shoulders w the more ML-side of the left (edited)
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:37 PM
What does PSL stand for?
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Party for socialism and liberation
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12:38 PM
They're generally maoist types
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but we share some mutual enemies
Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:38 PM
thats not a good reason. they would hinder the cause
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Dr_Diskette 7/10/2022 12:38 PM
After Braak finsihes @Deleted User will speak
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they're tankies
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basically
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:38 PM
they are
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I think it ignores a major problem in that why should we pay our representatives in order for us to achieve change and representation in our government
Im saying this because if we actually have a properly educated active and politically inclined populous, we wouldn't have to pay our government just to have the right and ability to get an abortion, birth control, gay marriage, etc.. the US is super atomized to the extent that we don't see ourselves as our government but our government separate from us-which is an error that is cumulating in the garabge we have today. That's why "libertarianism" is in such high esteem here, it's trash because they're like cats, they push the idea that they're so independent while ignoring that they're fiercely dependant on the system they continually try to undermine. Anyway, rant over
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Dsa is worringly tolerant of tankies
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:38 PM
@Braakinthesaddle Good good
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Dsa is worringly tolerant of tankies
WojtektheBear 7/10/2022 12:39 PM
They’re also effective political operators, when they want to be. Big conversation to be had of DSA.
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Opinions on the demilitarization of the police force/government and reducing the current invasion of privacy as well?
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Tankies have done more to help fascism then destroy it.
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Dsa is worringly tolerant of tankies
In my experince it varies wildly from chapter to chapter
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yeah, like i said, i can offer some dsa connections
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:39 PM
@Deleted User Could you write the steps in the chat?
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maybe there are some ppl there who would be interested, i will keep an eye out
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In my experince it varies wildly from chapter to chapter
yeah, the one i am in pretty regularly works with PSL
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not a big fan of that
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but PSL is somewhat large in my area
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:40 PM
articulte values- visulze goals- agree on methods of achievment
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 12:40 PM
The AIF Creed I penned: I am an member of the American Iron Front. I am a champion of Democracy I am a protector of America's highest ideals. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Whenever our rights are trampled upon by authoritarians. I will oppose them. I remember the Americans who died fighting fascism and authoritarianism abroad and at home. I will make sure their sacrifices were never in vain and are never forgotten. I am a true American Patriot I am a member of the American Iron Front and I will not fail. (edited)
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:40 PM
those are what we need to do in order one at a time
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Kraite
That being said we need to be pragmatic, and it's tough to do lefty organizing without rubbing shoulders w the more ML-side of the left (edited)
I kinda agree? But again, ultimately my politics is anti-authoritarian above all else. PSL isn't. Short term the can be useful, but they sure as hell aren't allies
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and we shouldn't trust them
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rn fascism is a bigger threat
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but still
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idk what to do about them
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:42 PM
-pro-democracy, what does that mean? -pro-voting rights -pro-equality -pro-love? -separation of church and state -Puerto Rico and DC statehood/civil rights, taxation=representation -Native American rights -supporting unrepresented voices -rule of law, prosecutions -anti-monopoly, anti-oligarchy, anti-imperialism, anti-lobbying, anti-corporate feudalism -inclusivity, diversity -mutual aid -counter the misinformation machine -abolish electoral college -pro-union
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:42 PM
its not neccesry or pragmatic to ally with them
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Muh… sleppy 7/10/2022 12:42 PM
Should it be β€œI am the true American Patriot”? (edited)
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:42 PM
they are small threat but still an enemy non the less
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 12:43 PM
I also believe down the line in Congressional term limits
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Individuals can act on behalf of AIF as long as rules are followed? Like the mutual aid idea executed by individual members without complete executive oversight?
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 12:43 PM
As well as Supreme Court term limits
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Down the line possibly a Constitutional amendment guaranteeing freedom of movement
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i like the pamphlet idea
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:44 PM
@Dr_Diskette OS7's got something
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pamphlets are good
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I love a good pamphlet
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Here is the pamphlet I made for the July 4th pro choice rally to explain who were are in clear concise terms
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Ignore the janky formatting
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The concepts and verbage are a pretty good start
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Please take a look
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:46 PM
we arent going to articulate everything right now, we need to start getting the servers input taken to get value consensus
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we arent going to articulate everything right now, we need to start getting the servers input taken to get value consensus
WojtektheBear 7/10/2022 12:46 PM
Hard agree
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:47 PM
we should discuss how we are going to do that
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The Dozer
Here is the pamphlet I made for the July 4th pro choice rally to explain who were are in clear concise terms
Braakinthesaddle 7/10/2022 12:47 PM
I like it
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:47 PM
@Deleted User voting?
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:47 PM
a survey ptehaps
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:47 PM
k
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we could also reach out to r/leftistveterans?
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Braakinthesaddle 7/10/2022 12:48 PM
Survey is a good idea
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I think there are non tankie types there
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Dr_Diskette 7/10/2022 12:48 PM
^^^
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:48 PM
we cant get ahead of ourselves
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Dr_Diskette 7/10/2022 12:48 PM
do it
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:51 PM
TheAnonymousDew is next
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Sorry yall my discord crashed
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:51 PM
requiring every discusion to have a designated devils advocate, with priortiy on marginilzed groups
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we can really help us become more inclsuive that way
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:53 PM
@Marusya Got anything? You've been quiet.
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what i worry about is proud boy types trying to intimidate voters
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especially around the midterms
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how do we counter that?
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I have something to add, regarding arming and self defense
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Can we get a side channel for Ideology Discussion?
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We can't discuss this well through this medium
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:56 PM
@Deleted User would you like to draft up a rough draft survey?
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 12:57 PM
If we must carry arms, keep them holstered
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Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:57 PM
ill need to consult the other mods first
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i also need to figure out how too
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Muh… sleppy 7/10/2022 12:57 PM
What about religious people?
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:57 PM
K, I'll work with you further on this, if you want.
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Muh… sleppy 7/10/2022 12:58 PM
How are we gonna get them into defending democracy
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Skullmaggot
K, I'll work with you further on this, if you want.
Deleted User 7/10/2022 12:58 PM
perfect
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Christians are allies, Christofascists are not. That's the distinction.
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Muh… sleppy
What about religious people?
Radical egalitarian Christians
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The Dozer
Christians are allies, Christofascists are not. That's the distinction.
Braakinthesaddle 7/10/2022 12:58 PM
And unfortunately, the line between the two is not always clear
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 12:58 PM
Yes, anybody who supports a clear separation of church and state are allies
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Good shit, yall!
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 12:58 PM
bye
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Muh… sleppy 7/10/2022 1:00 PM
@Kraite yeah I live in imbred Mormonville so I don’t think a lot of them wanna defend minority rights and only defend their interpretation of America
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I have social anxiety which has gotten better over the years but that because I’m not talking about politics and if I even mention that I voted for Biden most of my customers who see me on a daily basis and will only bring up election fraud and illegals voting as counter to our movement
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 11:53 AM
Hello!
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Greetings!
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 11:55 AM
I guess how's your week been? I've met up with friends and we're playing with the idea of starting a writing/arts group so that we can be accountability buddies, lol.
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yep
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I went out to the mountains for some hiking/kayaking. Also I'm reading LOTR for the first time so that's nice
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WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 11:57 AM
I can hear you
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 11:57 AM
check your headphone settings
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I can hear you
11:57 AM
We can hear you.
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The Chinese had the right idea making the entire country use one time zone /s (edited)
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:00 PM
LOTR is intimidating. I read it in middle school but picking it up now, I'm like, "How the heck did I read this??"
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k
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good!
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curcale will be in later
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no
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Brb
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:07 PM
yes
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good points
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Qr codes
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howdy y'all!
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:13 PM
Howdy!
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im back
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what specifically are we discussing?
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curcale
what specifically are we discussing?
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:17 PM
General body meeting and getting people involved. If you have a question or are interested in organizing something feel free to speak up!
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joe hill’s revenge 8/7/2022 12:17 PM
Cringe soccer moms
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What about skull masks
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:18 PM
associated with fash
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joe hill’s revenge 8/7/2022 12:18 PM
But they look so cool!
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joe hill’s revenge
What about skull masks
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:19 PM
Yeah that’s never gonna work lol
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not the antifa super soldiers
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:22 PM
Haha, although I want to get that patch from OffColorDecals
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howdy cj
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:22 PM
Oh yeah, C.J. and Blitz are new mods.
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:25 PM
Okay, if I post something? We need to promote community organization, but I have a networking idea.
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howdy cj
hi bro
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:26 PM
I've been looking to start a networking site that would visualize what people/groups are in the area. I've been trying to solve the density problem--having enough engaged people in one place either online or offline to be able to get enough people in one place to be able to do something effective. The twist I wanted was to have a map so people can see who's nearby--no exact locations of course. I've just started talking to mr.rogers about this, and they say they can make something pretty easily. I want to be talking to security experts to make this safe and secure. Thoughts?
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joe hill’s revenge 8/7/2022 12:27 PM
I’d like to talk
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:27 PM
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I'm at work, ill wait for the notes πŸ“
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:28 PM
It might really be better for non-AIF groups, yeah.
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agreed
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:28 PM
I know, I'm looking to make some good tools for that
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what if you made this tech available to each local group IRL, so mulitiple maps but not a a single large one edit, ah nvm that doesnt really make sense (edited)
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:29 PM
Better for Right Wingers to assume we're much larger, than publish real numbers since we're still nascent
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:29 PM
if people have ideas
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True, first thing I did though was that I searched for "anti-fascist groups near me" on Google lol. It's difficult to find people and network. (edited)
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:30 PM
Always assume public channels are monitored.
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:31 PM
yup, I know
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It's whatever people think they need to network
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lol. Unite the Alt-Left and Related Groups/Ideologies Rally
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:33 PM
Could also include volunteering, meeting with other groups, etc
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stronger together
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:34 PM
So, then I want to network with other people's networks
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haha, sure
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Or whatever other tools are needed
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Yeah, I would want to know what the barriers are to activation. Would it be alright to find non-self-starters?
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Yeah, I would want to know what the barriers are to activation. Would it be alright to find non-self-starters?
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:36 PM
Wdym?
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A group meetup could be "let's grab some lunch and then put up some slaps"
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Kraite
A group meetup could be "let's grab some lunch and then put up some slaps"
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:37 PM
We are your everyday friendly neighborhood antifascists.
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ding dong 🎢 "Hello, my name is Comrade Price!"🎢 (edited)
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:37 PM
I want numbers, and many people (even if they are annoying, or even if they can't figure things out how to be active) may still want to help. Honestly, if you give people a task/some way to help, they may be happy to do that task. That might be an in for them to get more active later, maybe. (edited)
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Can we incorporate lay people in any capacity?
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Ive been considering tabling in the town center/near the courthouse, thats extremely doable for those of you who are more independet than me lol, I haven't gotten around to it due to certain issues. (edited)
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Skullmaggot
Can we incorporate lay people in any capacity?
Creating materials to be distrubuted
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:38 PM
FNAF
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:40 PM
We should put together a list of typical places to get organized and reach out locally: DSA Tenants Unions Workers Unions Local BLM Local Leftist Groups (others?)
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Repo Rights groups
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:40 PM
Yup, I want distributable materials! Let's figure out some specifications.
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Yup, I want distributable materials! Let's figure out some specifications.
I would love some ready to print flyers, yknow for my theoretical table
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i'd love to see some "official" flyers
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C.J.
Creating materials to be distrubuted
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:41 PM
Yeah if people have printers and are willing to pass on prop to others that’s something we can do
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:41 PM
There are various flyers on the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit. However, I suppose you need something more specific to the needs of your area?
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something like a "catch all" this is who we are, this is what we want, here's how to get involved
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Yeah if people have printers and are willing to pass on prop to others that’s something we can do
That would be great. I ran into issues the moment I tried to print stuff, so it would be a great help if someone could do that for me
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:42 PM
I guess we can identify printer people.
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i'd love to see some "official" flyers
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Skullmaggot
There are various flyers on the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit. However, I suppose you need something more specific to the needs of your area?
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:42 PM
That can be a thing for #graphic-designers if people want to request that the flyers are fine for the basics
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Yeah I will definitely check out the flyers already made, although it would be super cool to have ones made for NM specifically
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:42 PM
I wanted to identify people this meeting for projects and such. Printer people. New Graphic design people, etc.
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Yeah we can put out some casting calls in #job-board perhaps
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Yeah I will definitely check out the flyers already made, although it would be super cool to have ones made for NM specifically
We made a bunch of region-specific stuff for our chapter up in Buffalo, I'm sure we could do similar stuff for other areas
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:44 PM
We need more graphic designers. I need to reach outside the r/IronFrontUSA subreddit since I'm reaching saturation (new people aren't necessarily joining as fast). I need to network more aggressively. (edited)
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Yeah, region or state specific is good because it can cater to issues people specifically care about.
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:45 PM
I would like to collect info on local issues.
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Essentially give me a list of what you want done, lol.
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Oh! And I could always use new HR people.
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Well if we're gonna be getting GDs to make a NM flyer, I can definitely get a write up of things to put in it
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:46 PM
Yes, we must maintain the 'big tent' where our sole driver is anti-fascist pro-democracy. Otherwise we'll ostracize potential allies
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:47 PM
You're cutting out
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they sound good to me
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Phijkchu (Sam) 8/7/2022 12:47 PM
Yeah, especially here in Indy. Lotta purple republicans
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I also had a quick thing to bring up before we adjourn 🀚
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Phijkchu (Sam) 8/7/2022 12:48 PM
We want to be in their minds as seperate from the boogeyman "aNtIfA"
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Skullmaggot
You're cutting out
yeah I think thats a you problem 😐
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:48 PM
yup
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Phijkchu (Sam)
We want to be in their minds as seperate from the boogeyman "aNtIfA"
Anne-TEA-fuh (edited)
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Phijkchu (Sam)
We want to be in their minds as seperate from the boogeyman "aNtIfA"
Ok on this note, I don't like how the "history of ironfront" channel mentions Antifa That kinda freaked me out at first-
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kinda unavoidable bc antifa just means anti-fascist
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I also had a quick thing to bring up before we adjourn 🀚
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:49 PM
You got next
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and the iron front is inherently anti fascist
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kinda unavoidable bc antifa just means anti-fascist
yeah but I think we really need to distance ourselves from the antifa group, even if we are technically antifa
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:50 PM
community exposure
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 12:50 PM
Is White Lotus named after the Sophie Scholl White Rose Society?
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Ozzy7
and the iron front is inherently anti fascist
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:50 PM
It’s more about optics
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JohnBrosGhost
Is White Lotus named after the Sophie Scholl White Rose Society?
tbh i thought it was an avatar reference lol
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:51 PM
More avenues of attack
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Ozzy7
tbh i thought it was an avatar reference lol
Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:51 PM
Might as well be!
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MisterStompy 8/7/2022 12:51 PM
Can I say something?
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JohnBrosGhost
Is White Lotus named after the Sophie Scholl White Rose Society?
It is not.
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I still love that haha
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i have something i wanna mention after krat and stompy
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:51 PM
Just speak up Stompy
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Can I say something?
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:52 PM
You got next
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So Krat, Stompy, Where, Cucale, and then me unless someone else needs to speak (edited)
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i have something i wanna mention after krat and stompy
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:53 PM
You got it
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JohnBrosGhost
Is White Lotus named after the Sophie Scholl White Rose Society?
The lotus is a Buddhist symbol that grows out of the mud and it becomes something beautiful. Buddhism preaches non-violence but not passiveness. That’s where the idea is from.
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WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:53 PM
So @MisterStompy, then @joe hill’s revenge, then @curcale then @Mr.Pebbles
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So @MisterStompy, then @joe hill’s revenge, then @curcale then @Mr.Pebbles
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Mr.Pebbles
So Krat, Stompy, Where, Cucale, and then me unless someone else needs to speak (edited)
I’m leaving. Happy Sunday ✌🏻
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Marusya
I’m leaving. Happy Sunday ✌🏻
peace
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:54 PM
@Kraite I can help find people too
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Marusya
I’m leaving. Happy Sunday ✌🏻
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:54 PM
Thanks for stopping by nice hearing from ya
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Phijkchu (Sam) 8/7/2022 12:54 PM
You can't be non-violent if you aren't capable of violence. In that case it would be simply helplessness.
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Phijkchu (Sam)
You can't be non-violent if you aren't capable of violence. In that case it would be simply helplessness.
I think people who are not physically very able can participate in protests, however you definitely do need fighters
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Or hell, look at Kansas with the abortion referendum. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:55 PM
hahahahaha youth vote!
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Mercedes Marxists
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:56 PM
Capital Communists
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Anti-voting people are the actual scum of the earth
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rockthevote.org
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.org? or .com?
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get em registered
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DUDE SOMEONE IN MY TOWN HAS THAT TOO
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:57 PM
I want to identify who's already doing voting registration per state and help them/do something parallel.
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It's hopeless because people feel they are alone
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I think a great thing to do with voting is to try to energize people against that hopeless and helpless feeling
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 12:58 PM
Networking will be hopeful
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wrap it as a protest action
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Kraite
DUDE SOMEONE IN MY TOWN HAS THAT TOO
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 12:58 PM
Lmao we need to collect them all in a scrapbook
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what? why red text
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red text where?
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what I typed looks red to me
12:59 PM
a middle finger to whatever bums you out
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oh i guess it didnt send
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Steve Mike
what I typed looks red to me
hmmm strange
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:00 PM
Communal projects
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Who can I get for networking?
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joe hill’s revenge 8/7/2022 1:00 PM
Sorry I was away from the mic
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EXACTLY!! (edited)
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Bleeding Kansas 2.0
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Braakinthesaddle 8/7/2022 1:01 PM
Beau of the Fifth Column actually made a really insightful video about Kansas.
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Who can I get for networking?
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 1:01 PM
Wdym?
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JohnBrosGhost 8/7/2022 1:01 PM
Now is a great time to get out there and sticker, flier, network etc. Because near everyone left of center is PISSED OFF because of Roe.
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@Mr.Pebbles Like Hinge, the dating app that's" designed to be deleted"
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:02 PM
@WojtektheBear I was thinking about (beyond people also networking) perhaps getting some dedicated networkers. People who'll cold call, I guess. (edited)
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Now is a great time to get out there and sticker, flier, network etc. Because near everyone left of center is PISSED OFF because of Roe.
Yes I'm up for trying to energize people based off of rage
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that day is sin the very far future
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Work towards that day, but be prepared for it to take a damn while
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I also think theres a lot of regional/state issues that we could leverage off of as well
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:03 PM
Krat, Stompy, Where, Cucale
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I've said my piece
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joe hill’s revenge 8/7/2022 1:04 PM
I want to speak one last time
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:04 PM
you're up next
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Optimistic?
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An idea for the voice chats: one brainstorming meeting and one follow up/how to meeting, then repeat
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Perhaps also interspersed general political discussion ones for those of us who love to discuss
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:05 PM
That's typically what we do anyway. People often stay on to figure out implementation/talk a bit more.
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I'll be on longer
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Mr.Pebbles 8/7/2022 1:05 PM
@Phijkchu (Sam) ^^^^
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:06 PM
Where!
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Who?
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Mr.Pebbles 8/7/2022 1:06 PM
Why
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Skullmaggot
That's typically what we do anyway. People often stay on to figure out implementation/talk a bit more.
true but I think it could be helpful to have meetings specifically for implementation talks
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Whose on second?!
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:06 PM
I was going to get some printer people
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crew in a box
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Phijkchu (Sam) 8/7/2022 1:06 PM
Eventually there's gonna be a money pool situation I think
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Distribution feels like a security issue to me, with the addresses. How would we handle that?
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@joe hill’s revenge Like what YDSA does when you start a new chapter, they send you a starter pack
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Steve Mike 8/7/2022 1:07 PM
PO Boxes
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C.J.
true but I think it could be helpful to have meetings specifically for implementation talks
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 1:07 PM
You 2 should discuss this more I don’t hate it
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true but I think it could be helpful to have meetings specifically for implementation talks
Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:08 PM
Okay, do you need scheduling? Is it something that we can instead do in channels?
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curcale just went full tyler durtan
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Steve Mike 8/7/2022 1:09 PM
lol
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:09 PM
starter pack!
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(I'm the southwest recruit curcale refrences)
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curcale just went full tyler durtan
Rule 1 of AIF is you do not talk about...
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Phijkchu (Sam) 8/7/2022 1:10 PM
I don't like the fringe left at all. They are pretty much our enemies as well honestly
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Phijkchu (Sam)
I don't like the fringe left at all. They are pretty much our enemies as well honestly
Ideologically sure, but practically speaking, they aren't the primary threat (edited)
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:10 PM
No need to turn away people if they can help even a little bit...
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Ideologically sure, but practically speaking, they aren't the primary threat (edited)
they are a major threat to the health of the democratic party, imo
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It might be diarrhea that hits the fan, it might be soft-serve
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:12 PM
boil a frog
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Always in motion, the future is
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Steve Mike 8/7/2022 1:12 PM
Thanks errbody
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ive rlly enjoyed this!
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:12 PM
I'll be staying on and we can talk about implementation if anybody wants to talk more
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Phijkchu (Sam) 8/7/2022 1:12 PM
Maybe we should do this monthly
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thanks y'all!
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I'm glad i made it!
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Skullmaggot 8/7/2022 1:13 PM
Regular meetings are good
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@C.J. We've moved over to admin channels to chat
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right, would you like me to join?
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We should put together a list of typical places to get organized and reach out locally: DSA Tenants Unions Workers Unions Local BLM Local Leftist Groups (others?)
Skullmaggot 8/9/2022 1:32 PM
So yeah, I’m trying to network aggressively, so if you’ve got groups I can contact, I’ll see what I can do.
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Skullmaggot 8/14/2022 12:05 PM
@_Max Hello, were you looking for people?
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yeah i thought there was a meeting today
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though I seem to be wrong lol
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was just chilling here in case others were running late
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Skullmaggot 8/14/2022 12:07 PM
We had a meeting last week, and I think we'll be having public meetings every 2 or 3 weeks. I'm currently arguing for 2, so possibly next week. I may be able to post such later today. Though, what's on your mind? (edited)
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oh not that much, just wondering if we had any upcoming plans for protests
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ok every 2 weeks
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so I will see you next week
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thanks
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Dang it where is everyone- I guess its only 3 after but this better not be a flop
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Skullmaggot 8/21/2022 12:07 PM
"Still morning" is how I'm doing.
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I don't suppose they have contacts in other states that we can reach out to?
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Who's playing Sonic???
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whataboutism
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Yeah, I want to spur the (youth) vote in Idaho.
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Idaho Red Republicans
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agreed
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youth voting orgs
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No, I haven't investigated that yet. I was more concerned with internal stuff and getting organization going on the Discord...
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Not many people are in the California group anyway
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So I was looking to do things elsewhere
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-Where; monthly offensive to put up flyers around the country -Where; outreach to unions -Steve Mike; rockthevote.org, outreach to Liberty group -Blitz; Ann Arbor food drive (edited)
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Where has suggested a monthly nationwide flyer drive to get people.
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Sure, I can get people
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As another point, all I need is secure file sharing and project management tools, and I think I can organize people. This would be more for information sharing than actual command, like Banks/Blitz had talked about. I was thinking keybase. Should I investigate that? Do other people have other options for secure files that a large number of people can access/edit?
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I don't think anybody has been creating any graphic designs since a week ago. I was sick last week. I'm worried about engagement being down.
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So, keybase?
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Yes I think we need a place to compile designs so keybase could be that
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Skullmaggot 8/21/2022 12:31 PM
Not just designs but every other kind of file
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Keybase is an encrypted messaging app but it looks like they have free secure file sharing for unlimited people? (edited)
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Maybe, could be wrong
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Just need a way to retain information and construct procedures.
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In something other than Dsicord since you can't find anything
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More like how people can interact, chapter information
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I don't understand what you mean
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flatness? perhaps. But I mean more along the lines of having something that people can refer to like some sort of template.
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or other types of functions
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Any sort of info, sorry it's abstract
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I just worry about the security question
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It's pretty much all I need. Things will be crazy afterwards πŸ˜„
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I just worry about the security question
Its been pwoned in the past, but I think we can trust the encryption
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Skullmaggot 8/21/2022 12:36 PM
Does it meet AIF's security concerns?
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Let me post a not so stellar review
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Keybase messenger is a free and secure service based in the US. Unfortunately, our Keybase review identified some problems.
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We can go over it later
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might want to use our remaining time. I'll probably have to go at 10
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We literally have people who can test our security as well
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We literally have people who can test our security as well
Yes we need to use them
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Skullmaggot 8/21/2022 12:39 PM
I'll start looking at keybase
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I need a sign off from WojtektheBear to coalesce some info, or we should have guidelines what info is allowed on the keybase
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MisterStompy 8/21/2022 12:40 PM
I wouldn't call myself a "leftist" due to being very big into the free market but yeah there is an issue with right wing agitators.
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I get what you mean lol
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Skullmaggot 8/21/2022 12:41 PM
-procedures, contact info, (chain of info command), lists of sympathetic orgs
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-what’s happening in locales -meeting info -events/opportunities (edited)
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I don't yet, as I need a place to coalesce it
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not in any great amount yet
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I'm hoping for users to add to it
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info gathering
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I think signoff first so that I don't overstep
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k
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hello
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That's when we started the Discord!
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You've done a good job with the subreddit, though.
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6/25/2022
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Yeah, I've been posting help wanted ads and drawing people in
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Yeah, for the discord we can up moderation to find bad actors
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What do you want for subreddit management? How to identify bad actors there?
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I have to jump too
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Thank you!
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notes hard, fire bad
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see ya
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 11:59 AM
Hello hello
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can you hear me?
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:00 PM
whoops, sorry, had my sound off
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I hear something
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I think its working
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:01 PM
Hi!
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How's everyone doing/what's the past week been like? I'm growing a couple of calamansi trees!
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ive been enjoying my labor day weekend just hanging out
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i just got back from a long run
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I'm resting after a busy week at school
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:02 PM
I saw your reddit posts!
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oh yea i hiked great falls with my friend
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:03 PM
looked fun
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Hey all Im gonna sit in on this one, I dont have much to add since I jist finished first week of the semester but ill join in the call
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i am also proud to say we've gotten started working to set up the twitter!
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:03 PM
Hiya
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i am also proud to say we've gotten started working to set up the twitter!
Oh amazing! Who is in charge of that atm?
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:04 PM
People can talk if that's easier. It's just me that's muted!
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cool thanks curcale
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:04 PM
All dividing the Twitter time?
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I've got two things
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motion rules
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K. California. I've been helping organize on the Discord since Roe v. Wade got overturned.
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so what state are you in @OkraMonk ?
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:06 PM
Oh nice! (edited)
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DMV group!
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Better than fire season here
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:07 PM
I can't hear anyone, hrm
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heinz_ketchup
I can't hear anyone, hrm
Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:07 PM
Is your sound on?
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:07 PM
yes
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also who said they were in south MD?
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heinz_ketchup
I can't hear anyone, hrm
you can always disconnect and reconnect to the call
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:07 PM
@C.J. You have minutes?
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:08 PM
k
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Cherry blossoms!
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:09 PM
fixed. %^$#
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:09 PM
You good then?
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:09 PM
y
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:11 PM
I think it's weekly shifts?
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Or?
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welcome vibeshifter
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joe hill’s revenge 9/4/2022 12:16 PM
Hi
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Holla fo a dolla
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howdy howdy
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we lost you monk
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Submit their content to whoever runs the twitter. too easy
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Submit their content to whoever runs the twitter. too easy
thats exactly what I was thinking
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Easiest way to keep it secure
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The military does this, the have their public affairs office approve of ANY releases or interviews.
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joe hill’s revenge 9/4/2022 12:25 PM
Hey I’m sorry what’s the current topic
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twitter
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new twitter channel
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joe hill’s revenge 9/4/2022 12:25 PM
The hell site? I’m banned
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Steve Mike
new twitter channel
yes
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I am not a fan of it but yes it is the most public facing
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:28 PM
1) -a knowledge base has been set up to collect and store files -organizational templates are being written to give people an idea of how things can be organized -current organizational template is rough, intended to: set up people to collect information, discuss options, implement decisions, and collect feedback in a cycle -in a general sense, I want to collect a bullet-list of what everyone is doing so that other people locally and nationally know what we’re putting effort towards and accomplishing
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So, these files you can look over at your leisure.
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how about google shared doc?
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@Kraite you dont have to have word to open word docs >.>
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:29 PM
Yep, already have pdf. Also, it's possible to download LibreOffice, which is a free software that can open Word
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What system you runnin
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Libre office ftw!
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Skullmaggot
Yep, already have pdf. Also, it's possible to download LibreOffice, which is a free software that can open Word
Libra Office!
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yep im running Ubuntu with Libre
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:30 PM
So yeah, the What We Can Do Right Now document is a rough of what I want to collect
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I want to collect everyone's contacts of contacts! And stick it in the knowledge base! (edited)
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And a bullet list of people's activities
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Some great points my friend but I can't abide your pronunciation of "epitome"
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Some great points my friend but I can't abide your pronunciation of "epitome"
lmao
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:35 PM
Just want to record what's going on. People can record tasks that need doing in case they themselves don't have the time. (edited)
12:36 PM
I have a second possible doozy of a thing as well.
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Some great points my friend but I can't abide your pronunciation of "epitome"
yeaaaaaa i do need to work on that haha
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:37 PM
I had another
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thing
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but I'll go after
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:38 PM
yeah I'm wanting to get into sticker-making and other art activism stuff too
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maybe a short how-to guide on sticker activism would be coo
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cool
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:38 PM
noting
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k
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maybe a short how-to guide on sticker activism would be coo
I'm not very knowledgeable in that area, but I absolutely would want that to happen! I will get back to you with this
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:41 PM
That'd be something for the knowledge base as well. A document
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How to's!
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exactly! I'll take the lead with that particular document
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:46 PM
I have a second thing
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I have a second thing
anytime!
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:49 PM
2) -plan for growth -growth rate is down due to lack of posting -need guidelines for posting externally -even posting on the subreddit is a stopgap and engagement will eventually saturate -is a chain letter possible, giving instructions for joining and propagating? chain letter talking points: -exponential rather than linear growth -network test to see who’s in the network -possible increased engagement from receiving the chain letter from a trusted person Essentially I’m talking about making instructions to give to people to join and get others to join.
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go ahead
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Dismantle the printer industrial complex
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joe hill’s revenge 9/4/2022 12:51 PM
Infoshops are places in which people can access anarchist or autonomist ideas. They are often stand-alone projects, or can form part of a larger radical bookshop, archive, self-managed social centre or community centre. Typically, infoshops offer flyers, posters, zines, pamphlets and books for sale or donation. Other items such as badges, locall...
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:53 PM
List who's doing printing
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2) -plan for growth -growth rate is down due to lack of posting -need guidelines for posting externally -even posting on the subreddit is a stopgap and engagement will eventually saturate -is a chain letter possible, giving instructions for joining and propagating? chain letter talking points: -exponential rather than linear growth -network test to see who’s in the network -possible increased engagement from receiving the chain letter from a trusted person Essentially I’m talking about making instructions to give to people to join and get others to join.
Oh I don't think it was me talking about the infoshops
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:53 PM
corporate printers typically track which user printed which document
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corporate printers typically track which user printed which document
Does their IT have time for that?
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Does their IT have time for that?
heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:55 PM
yes. it is automatic, goes into a database.
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fancier ones even record video when people are near the printer.
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:55 PM
Discord is public
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Meanwhile, my gov printer is "dumb" lol I print memes and party flyers, entire books with hundreds of pages lol... No one complains
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Meanwhile, my gov printer is "dumb" lol I print memes and party flyers, entire books with hundreds of pages lol... No one complains
heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:57 PM
yeah probably depends on how much the corp/entity cares. my experience was at JPMC and they did bust people for trying to sneak data out via printers.
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:57 PM
Yep, more moderators, but that comes with more people entering as well
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@Kraite We've got documents we can write up for that.
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 12:58 PM
corporate it/opsec can get wild, depending on how much the corp wants to spend on it, and I assume all big corps are happy to do so.
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 12:59 PM
Yep
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@joe hill’s revenge In the future, we don't have enough people trained to do so now.
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@joe hill’s revenge In the future, we don't have enough people trained to do so now.
Trained to do what? I missed it
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vet new people
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:01 PM
Trained to interview/vet. Need lots of people since that takes lots of time to do so efficiently.
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Yeah, have layers of security
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Divide where people casually discuss from where you discuss implementation
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i think CJ had something to say?
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:03 PM
@C.J. ?
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I'll jump in in a sec here
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:04 PM
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I have a private discord and my vetting feature is that new joins have ZERO access to the rest of the discord till they can hold a conversation and we get a feel for them. Once we are comfortable with them, we give them a role granting access. It's slow, and manual, but we have had no issues with shitty folks gettin in
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I have a private discord and my vetting feature is that new joins have ZERO access to the rest of the discord till they can hold a conversation and we get a feel for them. Once we are comfortable with them, we give them a role granting access. It's slow, and manual, but we have had no issues with shitty folks gettin in
Steve Mike 9/4/2022 1:07 PM
Yeah we could make certain channels private, give access via roles
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basically just waht you said lol
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@curcale So you'd like to see more structure
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Within the 'membership'
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I do not try to format introductions on my server, because people tend to exaggerate or talk about who they wish they were rather than who they are now. The discussions and conversations in my "vetting process" are how I learn who someone is, I let their actions tell me, rather than their story.
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 1:09 PM
@C.J. I agree - horizontal is better
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:10 PM
@curcale I'll converse with you about leadership/what it means to be in AIF afterwards. I'll get your ideas down and see how to meet them.
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thanks @Skullmaggot
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here is a message I sent to Curcale at one point: "We're thinking about implementing vertical model in the server so info can be passed around easier, although it would still be flat in the sense that no one has extra decision making power. But we've decided to avoid problems like ahem leaders getting prosecuted, a flat style is better for irl regional groups so there's no identifiable leader" (edited)
1:11 PM
what does everyone think of that? (edited)
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C.J.
what does everyone think of that? (edited)
heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 1:12 PM
yes. chapters are not dependent or independent of the greater org - they are interdependent. info/assistance is offered and shared but not required or forced.
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:12 PM
mailing list?
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 1:13 PM
one problem I perceive in US leftism is homogenous tactics. What works in Portland is not necessarily gonna work in Houston, or Jacksonville, or Indianapolis.
1:13 PM
small rural southern towns like where I live are gonna be different than big cities.
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:13 PM
co-op!
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heinz_ketchup
small rural southern towns like where I live are gonna be different than big cities.
Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:14 PM
yeaaaaah
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Here's whats in announcements, we don't have to get to it all today: HR and recruitment, gathering information, and getting some small projects (translating flyers, for example) off the ground. These also tie into a needed conversation about how to use our new Keybase system.
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joe hill’s revenge 9/4/2022 1:15 PM
Preemptive bans lol (edited)
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:16 PM
see ya
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joe hill’s revenge 9/4/2022 1:16 PM
Peace
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Not just psychos, STUPID psychos
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 1:17 PM
maybe there is space to get into local politics? run for your local library board or school board. thats what the fascists are doing.
1:18 PM
"things you can do locally" - become a local deputy voter registrar - run for municipal office - identify opportunities for other people to jump in
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:18 PM
I want to contact the Roanoke people among other things
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 1:18 PM
wasn't roanoke tx the Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club?
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:18 PM
@joe hill’s revenge Yep, we have meeting minutes
1:19 PM
I'll be looking for approval for a chain letter
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@joe hill’s revenge I can definitely give you a list of local things to do
1:20 PM
We need to identify Spanish communities first! (edited)
1:21 PM
Corvo can do Spanish
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Skullmaggot
We need to identify Spanish communities first! (edited)
i mean, the united states has the largest spanish-speaking population in the world
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Great talk, y'all, enjoy Labor Day!
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:23 PM
I think we can adjourn!
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heinz_ketchup 9/4/2022 1:23 PM
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:23 PM
Thanks for coming!
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Steve Mike 9/4/2022 1:23 PM
adios
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Skullmaggot 9/4/2022 1:23 PM
Have a good weekend!
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 11:51 AM
I'm just posting some background about myself and a summary of the things I'm paying attention to ahead of the meeting in case people wish to read it. I'm trying to avoid taking up too much time and this is just my piece:
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I'm just in here early
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What time do you start?
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11?
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in 1 minute
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or, now
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:00 PM
Welcome. We'll wait for a few to get everyone on board.
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Hiya! I will be muted in the chat.
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lol
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sorry
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oh wow
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I can't here anything gonna reconntect
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:02 PM
We'll be doing meeting notes but remember to write things down yourself!
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Never thought of it like that
12:04 PM
So, I posted a big old pdf above that is sort of a summary of where I'm at.
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I'm taking notes
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:04 PM
That's just going to be my piece. Yes, what I've been up to. Other people have lots to talk about. People can present projects.
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I didn't want to take up time myself.
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Yeah, we'll probably have after discussions
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Oh wait can I join the web dev team?
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:06 PM
pretty much if you want
12:06 PM
Steve Mike's organizing it
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Right after this meeting I'll get around to adding a web dev self-role. Skull, was there another role I need to add?
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joe hill’s revenge 9/18/2022 12:06 PM
Yes gonna post doc now
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:06 PM
I think actually a movie ping tag probably
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Skullmaggot
I think actually a movie ping tag probably
right. I'll do that too
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:07 PM
thanks
12:07 PM
yep
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joe hill’s revenge 9/18/2022 12:08 PM
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i thought mvp was most valuable player
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:09 PM
heh
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is trello free?
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:10 PM
I thiiiiiink so
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What do we need on the backend?
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Also skull, we might want to cover vetting during this meeting
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joe hill’s revenge 9/18/2022 12:11 PM
i can't see trello
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i'm probably just stupid
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nah I got the google doc still
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Also skull, we might want to cover vetting during this meeting
Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:14 PM
Okay. Vibeshifter then you? (I haven't done a vetting document yet...Did you have something written up?)
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i just though i'd briefly mention how we might approach that moving forward
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Skullmaggot
Okay. Vibeshifter then you? (I haven't done a vetting document yet...Did you have something written up?)
joe hill’s revenge 9/18/2022 12:18 PM
yea i made it and posted it here
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looks great to me
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I like the .org one best
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joe hill’s revenge 9/18/2022 12:25 PM
I have an idea: linked video game clans
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:26 PM
hmm
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How big of teams?
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joe hill’s revenge 9/18/2022 12:28 PM
idk
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just any games
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:29 PM
Ah no, I meant Trello teams
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Video game clans seems interesting though
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I'll speak with you after , Steve Mike!
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-Steve Mike; project manager -austinwiltshire; management advice -444aidan; web developer -C.J. -curcale -JohnBrosGhost; AIF -possumtrot; graphic designer -NOT_wil_wheaton; coding -RaiseRuntimeError; ideas, hopefully a questionnaire and ATS for HR -Corvo; interested in funding -BR9TTGM9RS9N; please teach Trello
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joe hill’s revenge
I have an idea: linked video game clans
I was gonna do something when the next COD came out, maybe do some game nights around that
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:31 PM
These were just people interested
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given that seems to be the next big release
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:31 PM
haven't coordinated as much yet
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I haven't asked half of them
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Need to organize it more
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I'll speak with Steve Mike afterwards
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yeah...
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cutting out
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creating roles?
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yea they're talking about a web designer role
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:34 PM
k
12:34 PM
Vibeshifter?
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yes
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no worries take yur time
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:36 PM
Okay, should we let curcale talk about vetting?
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yes
12:37 PM
success!
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yeah
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I think it's a good starting assignment for pretty much everyone
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agreed
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:40 PM
yeah, some coordination (edited)
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Relatedly, that'd be something we could crowdsource
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I'm trying to move forward with a crowdsourcing theme
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argumentative?
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QR code
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better to do the website
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ah yup
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and i'll cover vetting later
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 12:47 PM
k
12:47 PM
mvp
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Flyers could actually take a bit of time. We're low on graphic designers and I need a dedicated person to organize/check in with designers.
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k
12:49 PM
no, go ahead (edited)
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reddit
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slap a QR code on them for simplicity
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Be sure to read the synopsis I posted, as it goes over a lot of current issues.
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I'm going to get on Trello to display the giant todo list I've got
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s'alright
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In many ways, vetting happens organically just when people stay for longer than a month, ha.
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and why
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movie night!
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eh, just a week to relax. Other groups not present today are doing good work
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tonight actually
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starting 9 PM EST
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on announcements
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didn't ping everyone
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there's a poll open
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-Django -Mad Max: Fury Road -Top Gun: Maverick
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Seems like Top Gun is winning at the moment
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:05 PM
darn!
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are you streaming skull?
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:05 PM
no, Reg
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:06 PM
oh neat
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I'm also seeing how to get more C4CD people on.
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possible stuff: -voter registration -poll working -protecting libraries, drag shows, schools/universities, abortion clinics, gender-affirming care hospitals, etc. -community defense against hate crimes -closure for police brutality, discrimination, and corruption -monitoring school boards -helping unions and unionization -helping the homeless and addressing poverty, housing -remedying bad policies -networking -disaster aid? Prepping?
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we're too spread out at the moment
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Start assignments are networking and flyers
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Yep yep yep yep yep yep yep
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joe hill’s revenge 9/18/2022 1:10 PM
yes?
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:10 PM
decentralized
1:11 PM
There are other groups doing other stuff
1:11 PM
You make the committee
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Not quite
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AIF is clandestine
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There is organization elsewhere that we're not privy to
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I'm doing public stuff
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Yes to Zed-Juron
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joe hill’s revenge 9/18/2022 1:12 PM
I have to go
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:12 PM
k, see ya
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see ya
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:13 PM
Hong Kong style
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see ya vibe
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:13 PM
That's a bit the condition to work within AIF
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flat and decentralized is the goal
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right
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building a pipeline
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read synopsis please
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exactly
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EXACTLY
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Distinctness may be big-tent, and I'm trying to do more viral/replicative/emergent stuff
1:15 PM
yes
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brb can't hear anything again
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:15 PM
k
1:16 PM
I'm concerned about other groups growth rates and what's limiting that
1:16 PM
like, what is keeping SRA, DSA, JBGC, etc from growing?
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hmm sounds still gone can't hear anyone talking
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Skullmaggot 9/18/2022 1:17 PM
thanks, I'll be around a bit, bye!
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Hey there
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 11:59 AM
Hi! How thing's been?
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not bad not bad
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it's been a lazy weekend
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:00 PM
hullo!
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good. Went to Oktoberfest yesterday
12:04 PM
Long time means a long time to help. Yeah, help out with a drive.
12:05 PM
seriously?
12:07 PM
Good idea. We have people in Florida: Dr_diskette
12:08 PM
Collecting info about racial violence tied to Ian would be good. I'll ask.
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So, before we get started, we don't have our usual person to write down meeting minutes. I have neurological/psychological problems that make it difficult for me to listen, so I'm not the best at taking notes. Would anybody like to write down the meeting minutes?
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i'll do my best skull
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curcale
i'll do my best skull
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:13 PM
thanks!
12:13 PM
clippings and links
12:15 PM
Steve Mike and Casey on the website
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1.) β€œOur Friends” page BRAINSTORM - Need recommendations for links of other groups we want to share with people, especially the noobs 2.) Deadline - Website will be beta version ready by next week - ready to link in QR codes 3.) Onboarding Github - for developers, at end of general meeting
12:17 PM
I have some contacts in nonprofit activism to get introduced to some possible funding sources and collaborative orgs.
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:18 PM
should w have our ops page 2?
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:18 PM
I'm assembling a network document too
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RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 12:18 PM
ADL
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:18 PM
Well, these would be people we've been in conversation with
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Yeah SPLC
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RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 12:19 PM
I have more technical stuff that can wait
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:20 PM
links, possibility of periodical/zine, videos, info feed, maybe?
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:20 PM
what topic r we on rn?
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:20 PM
website
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web site content ToDo
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:21 PM
Yeah!
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:22 PM
i'd recomend a blog
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:26 PM
and social media
12:30 PM
lol
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lmao
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:31 PM
nooooooooooo XD
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I think that could trivialize the issue
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Yeah, but there's been a slump
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Were just getting off the ground
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:31 PM
graphic design has been difficult to recover
12:32 PM
nah, need new posters
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we could offer financial incentive to whomever is good
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:32 PM
I do. I can talk graphic design but only have an AA.
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:33 PM
In reaction to a lack of graphic designers, we could also do more wordy fliers. Writing.
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lol
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"punch nazis"
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:34 PM
I'd prefer to deconvert
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vandalism?
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horhay
Click to see attachment πŸ–ΌοΈ
RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 12:35 PM
oh i like that, why havnt i seen this before
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targetted*
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:35 PM
deconvert minds
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Doctor Eval 10/2/2022 12:35 PM
socialist rifle association
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:35 PM
Vote GOP, and elect the qanon shaman
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"gun club"
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:36 PM
prolly 2 weeks
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k
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lists! yay!
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Lists are the mother of logistics
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we should have a ticket/vetting system for this server
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:40 PM
wiki stuff!
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:41 PM
@Doctor Eval is that weed?
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Doctor Eval 10/2/2022 12:41 PM
no
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its frop
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:41 PM
i own a pipe but i rarely smoke it
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u look like a wizard
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:41 PM
@1uc2 writing it down
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joe hill’s revenge
u look like a wizard
its a good look
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:41 PM
hiya
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Doctor Eval 10/2/2022 12:41 PM
i ama wizard
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I am a gtechnomage
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:42 PM
what is frop?
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Doctor Eval 10/2/2022 12:42 PM
I make techno magic
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:42 PM
california
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:42 PM
New Jersey
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75 mi north of washington, B.C
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Doctor Eval 10/2/2022 12:43 PM
Portland
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D.c. area 🫑
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DC area
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We need to make sure we dont cause violent lashback at our symbols
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:44 PM
@1uc2 #flyer-drive
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that's me
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-2) There is a project management tool up over on Github (https://github.com/orgs/IronFrontUSA/projects/3/views/1). Those with a Github account can add their own todo lists to the tool and we can divvy up assignments to those who are looking for things to do. -I wanted to understand what people are focused on and what they want to tangibly accomplish step by step. -A lot of the todo list I have is about networking. I’ve started a network document, trying to keep tabs on what other groups we’re in contact with. A lot of what people have found useful about myself, I believe, is that I’ve been keeping up with a network of people within the group. In analogy, I think it would be good for our group to be able to show this same usefulness to other groups by sharing how we would be part of a larger network with many contacts. But, I only have only glanced at a few networks so far, not having yet had time to investigate each further and establish contacts. I also want to draw in the whole of the reddit base, lol. I could use help with all of that.
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Mind opening tbh
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:48 PM
sure, but I just wanted people's todo lists
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RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 12:48 PM
very well said @1uc2
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:49 PM
ah yup
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:49 PM
i just made a github
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:49 PM
make github account, get invited by someone on there
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:50 PM
but i can't access the github for ironfront
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it says 404
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joe hill’s revenge
but i can't access the github for ironfront
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:50 PM
have an account?
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:50 PM
i just made one
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security culture
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joe hill’s revenge
i just made one
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:50 PM
what's your account username?
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:50 PM
njaif1
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:51 PM
hmmm incognito
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joe hill’s revenge
njaif1
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:52 PM
sent invite, don't know where it shows up
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:52 PM
joined
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:53 PM
link work now?
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Doctor Eval 10/2/2022 12:53 PM
ill write up a readme
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Doctor Eval
ill write up a readme
thx
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 12:54 PM
is this the last topic/
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:54 PM
noooo
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nope
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i have one side note
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 12:56 PM
questionnaire
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#security ?
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Doctor Eval 10/2/2022 12:58 PM
element? (edited)
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Hey everyone sorry for not being able to make it to another meeting, shits been fucked in my town after Ian hit, literally turned my neighborhood into a lake. So glad to see so many people active still and working together to make a change πŸ’™
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:00 PM
yeah, I'll talk to security people
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@1uc2 yeah, that'd be good
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RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 1:02 PM
Im a software dev so im good in GitHub. If anyone has questions feel free to ask in the chat and ill try to reply.
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:03 PM
-3) An (empty) wiki and an associated project management tool on the Github exist for those that want to request content to be made or have knowledge they’d like to contribute. The wiki is publicly accessible without a Github account (https://github.com/IronFrontUSA/wiki/wiki) but you’ll need an account linked to the project to edit it.
IFUSA Wiki. Contribute to IronFrontUSA/wiki development by creating an account on GitHub.
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It's empty, but it'd be a place people can input their knowledge.
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how-tos and more general stuff
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yes?
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Yes, public wiki
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for general public
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yep
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ah yup
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#wiki-project
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:06 PM
@1uc2 I'm trying to get LoneWolf on
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footage of us helping people
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:06 PM
-4) marketing strategy, lol -I’ve started reading up on marketing plans (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketing-plan.asp). I’d be looking for expertise in such, and I would want to get people’s input as to more methods to reach out to people. The website and flyer will be big, and aside from attending protests, I’d want to figure out ways to draw in more people. The defense that the Elm Fork John Brown Club provided for the Roanoke drag brunch was juicy, and I hope to get the numbers or connections locally to do the same. -People seem to want a YouTube channel, so I’ll arrange for one for people to submit videos to. I will also see what channels are already doing IF content that we haven’t directly associated with yet. -People have been asking for a starter kit. I’m not yet aware of how to do a starter kit in a way that is either not prohibitively expensive or involves a more business-like model. A business-like model would probably have less public appeal, whereas a Hong Kong-style may benefit better from a ragtag feel. But, the model might work for organizations like DSA (https://store.dsausa.org/standard-ydsa-chapter-building-kit-pk62484.html). Also, there might be a way to get the best of both worlds, because funnily enough, the IF logo consists of arrows, and arrow stickers are mass-produced and can be affixed in threes (https://www.amazon.com/Arrows-Handling-Stickers-Shipping-Packing/dp/B08C2VTK8J/ref=sr_1_28?crid=V14RH631Y37L&keywords=arrow+stickers&qid=1664682806&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI1LjkyIiwicXNhIjoiNS40NCIsInFzcCI6IjUuMjAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=arrow+stickers%2Caps%2C138&sr=8-28).
Hybsk 3x5 inch Red Arrows This Side Up Stickers Safe Handling for Shipping and Packing - 100 Adhesive Labels Per Roll (Red)
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pamphlets
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mission statements
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:09 PM
@joe hill’s revenge the cheat is to use mass-produced arrow stickers, lol
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@curcale IF stickers?
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People can make stickers, but the thing is to make it cost effective for everyone
1:11 PM
yeah
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I think the idea of a group treasury is important
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so we can group fund projects
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:12 PM
any sort of arrows
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marketing data
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yeah
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crowdfunding
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:16 PM
Hong Kong style flat decentralized organization...expensive but robust (edited)
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I have alot of experience with decentalized protests
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RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 1:16 PM
Thats how another group i work with does it. We get money, not a lot but just enough for our group of 5 ish people that are active
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marching band
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:17 PM
we got plenty of musicians that are not yet utilized
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paintball gun wars
1:18 PM
a true patriot album
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RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 1:18 PM
are we on topic?
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joe hill’s revenge 10/2/2022 1:18 PM
Red Wedge was a collective of musicians formed in the UK in 1985 who attempted to inculcate youth with the policies of the Labour Party leading up to the 1987 general election in the hope of ousting the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher.
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:18 PM
@Steve Mike end of meeting discussion stuff?
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Its important we spend the time building a foundation to work from, and not getting beat up for rocking symbols that fascists' start to recognize
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:21 PM
@heinz_ketchup can't hear you
1:22 PM
almost there
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university / college campuses
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Hey y'all ive gotta go, take care πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:24 PM
@curcale Okay, see ya. Submit the meeting notes!
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heinz_ketchup 10/2/2022 1:24 PM
I just emailed 4 different groups who I met in person last weekend and no one has responded. it is very frustrating.
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heinz_ketchup
I just emailed 4 different groups who I met in person last weekend and no one has responded. it is very frustrating.
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:25 PM
That's alright. Everything comes in time.
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heinz_ketchup 10/2/2022 1:25 PM
if you do an event, and people show up in person, I think those people are worth talking to.
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:25 PM
I'll put more people onto networking, I hope
1:25 PM
I'll assembling a network document
1:26 PM
No, we got it
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glad to be here
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:26 PM
@1uc2 I'll message you about stuff
1:26 PM
meeting adjourned?
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1:27 PM
Thanks for coming!
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meeting adjourned.
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:27 PM
I was going to message you about security
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afterwards
1:29 PM
@1uc2 I'm just going to have you show me what you've added on the Github.
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Im getting a github acc right now
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:29 PM
I don't know them
1:30 PM
Yeah! HR survey
1:31 PM
Google hasn't been secure enough :/
1:32 PM
I don't know them yet. I don't know what questions to ask yet.
1:33 PM
Yep
1:33 PM
oh okay
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my github: R3d4ct
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:34 PM
Yes, we have a questionnaire
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one sec
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horhay
my github: R3d4ct
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:36 PM
invite sent
1:37 PM
We haven't done anything more detailed than that
1:37 PM
no definite locations
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I heard that was a myth
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:37 PM
but, maybe something like NESW?
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RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 1:37 PM
Just for future reference if we want a little finer detail
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:37 PM
yeah
1:38 PM
it should be optional for each what level of detail they want to give, but no addresses
1:39 PM
oh damn
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i know 35rs here in canada
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3% *
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:40 PM
45ers
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lets be the 2%rs
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jk jk
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:41 PM
yeeaaah
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horhay69's in British Columbia
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we have CIRG RCMP, a group of cops dedicated to pushing the natives out for resource extraction
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the cops in canada have heavy 1% - 3% biker types
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:44 PM
we've been doing agile methods. It's been difficult to have a plan for a shifting pool of volunteers
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We try to be clear on that
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@RaiseRuntimeError Okay. Yeah, I haven't understood what questions to ask. I was thinking a page associated with the website, but it'd be a google form link?
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I'm good
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RaiseRuntimeError 10/2/2022 1:47 PM
that should work
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:47 PM
@1uc2 I'm going to message you immediately after
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ok
1:48 PM
oh wow
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that's pretty good
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wild (edited)
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we should have disclaimers like ÄIF will never sell or use your information for personal gain"
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we should have disclaimers like ÄIF will never sell or use your information for personal gain"
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:48 PM
ah yup
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I have no idea how much of a legal entity IF is
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or simply the website
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I think we can cover our bases
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:49 PM
we collect information
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and don't have protection/money against legal suit (edited)
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interesting
1:51 PM
missed it
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:51 PM
you cut out
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ok
1:52 PM
a wiki
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I am always interested in data collection
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Takes time to get into new tools
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all good
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ok
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This is my first meeting too
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 1:55 PM
ok see ya
1:55 PM
@Greyhound send it to me
1:55 PM
bye!
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hullo
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Greetings
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I'm typing up some stuff, so one sec, and we'll wait for others to join.
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howdy howdy
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Hi!
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how are we today lads
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Im doing great, just woke up
12:03 PM
9 am pst here
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gotcha
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Okay. Doing better after being sick, but I'll occupy myself with cooking later. I think I'll do egg foo young.
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are u on the west coast
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Okay. Doing better after being sick, but I'll occupy myself with cooking later. I think I'll do egg foo young.
omg sounds good
12:04 PM
im thinking about making some indian after this call
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ayee poptarts
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You indian/cook indian?
12:04 PM
We should do a cooking class!
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ahhh i wouldn't call it cooking lol
12:06 PM
it's more like just throwing some shit in a pan and hoping it tastes good lmao
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Might be a slow day today. Steve Mike and Casey aren't going to make it. I believe WojtektheBear said he'd want to catch up. Want to wait or start? @curcale Have anything you want to talk about?
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vibeshifted said he'd be in in a sec
12:09 PM
i can talk about some stuff, there are some things on the list i don't know much about
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Dry roast cumin seeds (a lot), a little bit of fennel seeds (8), a few cardamom (2-4), a few cloves (4-5) until fragrant. Then add minced onions, garlic, ginger, and chili peppers and sautee for 6 minutes. Then add chopped tomatoes and cook with your choice of protein for 10 minutes or more. Add ground cumin, coriander, cinnamon, and turmeric, and that should be good!
12:10 PM
exactly
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Yeah. Need to see which chapters want to be listed.
12:12 PM
good point
12:12 PM
writing it down
12:15 PM
yeah, self-sufficiency stuff, lol
12:16 PM
heya
12:17 PM
Yeah, Steve Mike and Casey can't make it today.
12:17 PM
Meeting's will vary. Seems like a slow week after the big meeting the last two weeks.
12:18 PM
Probably on-the-ground stuff, flyer drive, and networking.
12:18 PM
hiya
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:18 PM
Can’t talk much I’m on my way to an event
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k
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:19 PM
Also VOY-Tek
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I've got stuff
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As for expanding the website, I plan on asking RaiseRuntimeError about making a survey and automating HR intake. For periodical/magazine capability, Sinned says they would need steady graphic designers and editors, but I’ll discuss more on getting the skills we need in a bit.
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As for expanding the website, I plan on asking RaiseRuntimeError about making a survey and automating HR intake. For periodical/magazine capability, Sinned says they would need steady graphic designers and editors, but I’ll discuss more on getting the skills we need in a bit.
WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:20 PM
You’d also need writers who can meet deadlines
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yuuuuuuup
12:20 PM
cool
12:21 PM
communal YouTube There’s been a desire for video capability. I’m thinking of setting up a shared YouTube account for people to curate and submit videos. The original idea was to make a YouTube account that can be managed in tandem with the Twitter, possibly with Krat’s people. Videos would be submitted to whoever’s managing it. To make a YouTube account, you need to make a corresponding Google account. Google has mandatory 2-factor authentication, presumably linked to a phone number. I’m guessing the phone number gets shared with the YouTube account. Options are: -1) I make a free anonymous phone number and link a new YouTube account to that to pass around. -2) Have somebody else intending to manage the YouTube make an account with a phone number of their choosing. -3) Use a different video hosting service that doesn’t require a phone number. -4) I’ve been attempting to contact the Three Arrows YouTube channel via the business email on their account. β€œDan Arrows” posts Iron Front videos on this and on The Iron Dice channel. I want to know if they would want to collaborate or host videosβ€”maybe a long shot, but I’d thought I’d ask since this would this β€œIron Front YouTube” channel already exists.
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:21 PM
Not all anon numbers work with Google
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k
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:22 PM
We’d need YouTube tho no one is going to watch on another site
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Haven't got a response after a week
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:22 PM
In order to collaborate we have to make stuff first
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yup
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:22 PM
We have nothing to offer them as now
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So, IvanAlbright has been active for 2 weeks
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:23 PM
We have a professional filmmaker, multiple. We just need a point person for that
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I've been hesitant to organize such since the last two filmmaking attempts ended prematurely
12:24 PM
So, I can organize it with the understanding it could end abruptly?
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I've been hesitant to organize such since the last two filmmaking attempts ended prematurely
WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:24 PM
Which is part of why I think someone needs to take lead on that or we drop it since it’s not immediately necessary
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hmm
12:24 PM
I'll at least start talking with IvanAlbright.
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12:25 PM
I spoke with him when he first entered the Discord
12:25 PM
about the last couple filmmaking busts. It seems like IvanAlbright has been taking some initiative and are hanging on, so I'll see what they need.
12:28 PM
@joe hill’s revenge hmm
12:28 PM
So, see if Massachusetts can take video clips?
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:29 PM
We just had a counter event yesterday at the statehouse in Boston. Tradacath freaks trying to ban abortion
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Got video?
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:29 PM
I wasn’t really focused on filming stuff
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:)))
12:29 PM
Might be an interesting idea. Any safety/doxxing concerns? (edited)
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Might be an interesting idea. Any safety/doxxing concerns? (edited)
WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:30 PM
There were tons of people with cameras filming the counter but I don’t think there’s a risk I just was focused on leading chants
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crowdsource videos, too?
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:31 PM
Can’t send photos in here lol but I only have one
12:31 PM
Those are definitely out there
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@curcale IvanAlbright at least has ideas about curation. I believe they have ideas about what to do.
12:33 PM
Yep
12:33 PM
starter kit market research market research as of 10/14/2022, 8:52 PM (hasn’t changed at all since then): reddit: -4.9k views -70 upvotes Discord: -14 people joined supersurvey: -14 responses Would you be interested in buying an Iron Front starter kit? -Yes: 13 votes -No: 1 vote How many Iron Front stickers (supposedly of the logo) should be in a starter kit? -0: 0 votes -25: 9 votes -50: 4 votes -100: 1 vote -200: 0 votes How many Iron Front buttons (supposedly of the logo) should be in a starter kit? -0: 0 votes -10: 13 votes -25: 1 vote -50: 0 votes -100: 0 votes How many Iron Front flags should be in a starter kit? -0: 1 votes -1: 7 votes -2: 5 votes -5: 1 vote -10: 0 votes What else should be included in a starter kit? LINKS TO RESOURCES -Instruction page for starting chapters, links to resources FLYERS/HANDOUTS -Pamphlets or flyers with some basic information on them -Something explaining what it is. Handout flyer type thing -Pamphlets, literature to share, etc. -Maybe flyers, literature. Something you could handout to people. ZINE -Reading recommendations, list of like minded associates/groups/individuals, companies and businesses that do not fund fascism that can support in person or online, tips for operation security/privacy, knowledge of dog whistles logos and symbols -Reproducible zine about the core of American Iron Front -zines APPAREL -Velcro patch -face mask, bandana, -Mask or balaclava TAGS -Stencil -Some skate slaps
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-To make a cost-effective kit, you need to order components in bulk and have someone assemble boxes. That someone probably needs to be paid, and that greatly changes the dynamics of what we do and gets you a paper trail and paperwork. Or, you can cut assembly and make a list of separately purchasable and more expensive components. Ultimately, however, we’re not looking to make a buck or disperse products but instead translate this into increasing engagement and numbers. With the end goal in mind, how should this be approached?
12:33 PM
It's about the post on reddit associated with the survey link
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:33 PM
I think hats and shirts would make more sense too
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I wanted to see all the numbers
12:35 PM
So, as far as I understand, when things aren't in bulk, a sticker is about $1, a button is about $2, and a flag is about $12.
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:35 PM
$50-$100 seems fair for even a smaller sized local group (edited)
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K. We'll see about assembly and/or Redbubble.
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joe hill’s revenge 10/16/2022 12:37 PM
they are scum and doing scum shit, we are the good guys
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:38 PM
The importance of being able to choose to expose you’re self is still important
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joe hill’s revenge 10/16/2022 12:38 PM
no 🧒
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joe hill’s revenge
they are scum and doing scum shit, we are the good guys
perspective of who's in power, though
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joe hill’s revenge 10/16/2022 12:38 PM
I think that covid masks are better
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Covid masks are actually politicized πŸ‘ (edited)
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:39 PM
Look man if you want to do that that’s fine
12:41 PM
We need more responses
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K, any particular questions I should ask on another survey?
12:44 PM
photoactivism
12:44 PM
shifting to tutorials to supply graphic design work and photoactivism I’ll use this section to talk about how we’ve got a number of chicken-and-egg problems, which are cycles that ought to be jumpstarted by doing one part crappily first, getting feedback through the other part, and iterating. Current chicken-and-egg problems include: -1) density-doing things: You need a density of people to do things effectively, and you need to do things effectively to amass a density of people. Do crappy things to amass more people. Or, if you have density, you can successfully do things that draw in more people. -2) engagement-big ticket items: You need engagement for big ticket items (e.g. wiki, networking, gathering data), and you need big ticket items for engagement. It might be easier to start with a small seed of each of these and see if that provokes more engagement. I’m sorry, I’ve been wanting to jumpstart engagement with the wiki by making a few pages, but I’ve been sick these last two weeks and have fallen behind where I want to be.
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-3) methods-ideology: You need to identify methods (e.g. register people to vote, protest, support unions) to have an ideology, but you need an ideology to direct you towards methods to enact. Short-term tangible objectives are more easily agreed upon rather than long-term abstract ideologies. We are comprised of a number of different ideologies and many want to present ideologies to guide ourselves. But, it is difficult to congregate around anything more general than β€œpro-democracy, anti-fascist.” However, having different ideologies may allow us to understand how fascism is a threat to each of these groups. How does fascism affect each of these groups, and how does each group hope to oppose fascism? Though not necessarily a cycle, another current problem has been a skill-engagement divide. I haven’t been able to rustle up new graphic designers to contribute graphic design work on their own, and those probably willing to do graphic design might want some training. I’m also learning over and over that it’s not really possible have people work on things that they aren’t interested in, as this is all volunteering. The currency we work with is engagement. I’m instead now focusing on 1) figuring out how to shift people’s drive towards things tangential to what they’re already engaged which (e.g. I want to probably have those interested in doing the flyer drive also create flyers), and 2) creating tutorials to help with things that may require a little more skill. Particularly, we can do tutorials for creating effective flyers. Though, I should first ask if people even feel they need a tutorial, as making flyers and other aspects of art and design are often completely intuitive for some people. But, if you’re not artistic but analytical like me, I can construct tutorials about vector programs and how to make things punchy. I hope to be able to make tutorials for graphic design and for things like photoactivism. But, I need to ask what skills people want to learn.
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WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:44 PM
Take pictures of flyers you put up and post them on the sub
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12:46 PM
I’ll contest the idea that we’re meaningfully that diverse ideologically tbh lol (edited)
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I’ll contest the idea that we’re meaningfully that diverse ideologically tbh lol (edited)
Maybe, but I've been hesitant to point to any ideology as guiding, as it may push others away. (edited)
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sure
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Maybe, but I've been hesitant to point to any ideology as guiding, as it may push others away. (edited)
WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:48 PM
Antiracism, Antifascism, Antiauth, Pro Democracy, Pro Union
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Anarchist, leftist, liberal, centrist, conservative, socialist (edited)
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Anarchist, leftist, liberal, centrist, conservative, socialist (edited)
WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:48 PM
We have next to none of the later two
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I'm centrist, lol
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I'm centrist, lol
WojtektheBear 10/16/2022 12:49 PM
Yeah that doesn’t change anything I said
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To get more skilled people, especially with flyers and other lightly skilled things. (edited)
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I consider myseld dem soc
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What I want to know is, what skills do people want to learn and have tutorials for?
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What I want to know is, what skills do people want to learn and have tutorials for?
Automotive/ fabricating background (edited)
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Flyers are pretty easy/intuitive for a lot of people
12:54 PM
That too
12:54 PM
I can teach simple templates for graphic design
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My gf is a pyhton / data quantifying nerd, might be useful (edited)
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What was the current topic? What does music have to do with the flyer drive?
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flyer drive
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and possibly creating a montage with pictures of flyers irl with music?
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ok
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yes please
12:59 PM
show website
1:01 PM
qr code?
1:03 PM
I'll do qr codes
1:03 PM
I'll put all the qr codes onto them today or so (edited)
1:03 PM
Who can I submit the updated flyers to?
1:04 PM
k, tagging Krat
1:05 PM
I want to do QR codes quickly, don't have the most time today. I'll do QR codes today and then get meeting notes out tomorrow
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Okay, see ya
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see ya!
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Skullmaggot 10/16/2022 1:07 PM
The last thing I'll say is that I'll see who's engaged for doing wiki stuff, but in all likelihood I'll need to jumpstart things and make a few pages first. It'll be slow but I'll write up tutorials and stuff.
1:08 PM
I also need to head out early. Thanks for coming! Bye!
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see ya skull!
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Hi! I'm always only in the open chat!
12:01 PM
MA
12:03 PM
We'll see
12:03 PM
This'll be a brainstorming session, I think, mostly.
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Yes
12:03 PM
I'm usually muted
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 12:03 PM
Gotcha
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since I do things incognito from my family, who're walking around the house
12:04 PM
I will prolly not speak
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 12:04 PM
My brothers around, but he gives me privacy at my own place
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You incognito too, then?
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it's just me and my dog here lol
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Ah ha! So you're not allergic to dogs!
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nope only cats
12:05 PM
and honestly it's a bearable allergy
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 12:05 PM
What they don’t know can’t hurt them. Also; loose lips sink ships
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i know vibeshifter said he wouldn't be in today
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 12:06 PM
Yeah; work or something? It happens
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IvanAlbright said he couldn't make it. It has been kind of a holiday weekend.
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yup yup
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 12:07 PM
Yeah. And nice too; good time for fall cleanup
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I've got an event later today
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same same
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 12:07 PM
Same. After this hitting up a brewery too
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ready to get started?
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LessthanLoneWolf 10/30/2022 12:07 PM
I’m ready
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sure, I can do notes
12:09 PM
composition and pricing
12:09 PM
yep
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one sec
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small follow up starter kit survey: The other week we asked what to include in an Iron Front starter kit. The most commonly voted composition was around 25 stickers, 10 buttons, 1 flag, pamphlets/flyers to hand out, with the possibility of face masks. If you were to purchase such a kit, how much would you be willing to purchase it for? -$25: 0 votes -$50: 4 votes -$75: 0 votes -$100: 0 votes -$125: 0 votes
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Just had one question on the survey, the price
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Hmm, a bit of the issue is who's assembling it all too.
12:11 PM
Oh?
12:12 PM
Perfect!
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We can get the actual vectors, yeah
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Is that service scaleable?
12:13 PM
yeah, just provide links
12:13 PM
Yes
12:14 PM
yeah, that's the idea
12:16 PM
oh cool
12:17 PM
same, that has been something that needs research
12:18 PM
that sucks
12:18 PM
sushi
12:20 PM
Yeah, so this is actually something good. We got new people who are literal researchers, but I wonder if we can have them just research cost-effectiveness and distribution.
12:23 PM
I think some more research is needed first for distribution, so I'll talk to people about that. So, whatever communal bank account is probably associated with Krat & WojtektheBear.
12:24 PM
I found a place for $12, I think.
12:25 PM
No, you can make nice trifolded flyers, if you want to put in that effort.
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12:25 PM
First step: make a list of questions
12:26 PM
Great!
12:30 PM
Yep, that's the whole thing driving things
12:30 PM
So, I was doing online stuff over the last month and didn't talk enough with the flyer drive people to figure out something for myself. I live in a smaller town and want to drive to a bigger city to flyer. I think I would also design business cards as well, which is another entire space to explore.
12:30 PM
And they don't get taken down
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Yeah, I've done business cards before
12:31 PM
Hmm, yeah, let's start designing pamphlets, I think
12:32 PM
yeah, that's good
12:34 PM
wiki stuff
12:34 PM
Do you have information for a wiki page, curcale?
12:35 PM
I'm sorry, I have to go. My parents are calling. I'll paste all my notes. I'm sorry.
12:35 PM
brainstorming: -protests; people want to know when and where and understand protest etiquette and safety -networking; I’m going to focus on networking with established antifascist groups in the locales where we have the most people to start. I’m going to focus on joining up with whatever network nodes I can find and leapfrog to a wider network. I’m also going to literally go through the reams of lurkers flowing into the Discord as well as chat people up on various antifascist subreddits. I could use some help. -asking for help; another way to get people interested is to present what problems you’re facing and what you need help with. If someone doesn’t know what to do or what questions to ask, ask them for help on a task. -preparing networks for political and climate refugees -we have a lot of computer and research people, I guess I was thinking about how to do another OSINT operation, if that doesn’t step on other groups’ toes. Could be interesting to pull off. jumpstarting the wiki: -I’m going to do more protest resources and also take requests for what should be on there. YouTube podcast/interviews: -IvanAlbright and I have been talking about what sort of content he could arrange for a YouTube podcast. I believe we’re settling on an interview format, where each episode could highlight either the historical Iron Front vs. the modern, similar antifascist movements in other countries, a specific interviewee, an issue, or a group participating under the big tent (i.e. social democrats, trade unionists, liberals, anarchists, etc.) about how fascism is threatening what’s at stake for them and about how they’re taking ownership of the Iron Front movement. -We also nominally have DrMadMad doing music.
12:36 PM
I might be back later, it might be short. Be sure to write down some notes.
12:36 PM
Write notes!
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What's the topic?
12:53 PM
@curcale I'm back
12:53 PM
sorry, hah
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it may be clunky for being new
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okramonk
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I think
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No, what happened?
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fuck
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what worthlessness
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hiya
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YouTube podcast/interviews: -IvanAlbright and I have been talking about what sort of content he could arrange for a YouTube podcast. I believe we’re settling on an interview format, where each episode could highlight either the historical Iron Front vs. the modern, similar antifascist movements in other countries, a specific interviewee, an issue, or a group participating under the big tent (i.e. social democrats, trade unionists, liberals, anarchists, etc.) about how fascism is threatening what’s at stake for them and about how they’re taking ownership of the Iron Front movement. -We also nominally have DrMadMad doing music.
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I believe he'll take reigns. He just wants a sounding board/consensus for things
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oh yeah, I'll write that down
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Or even other antifascist groups
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That would be awesome!!
1:03 PM
work in tandem with making a network, too
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Did you have anything, archon?
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any topic?
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s'alright
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got it
1:04 PM
okay, thanks
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hmm
1:04 PM
feedback is good
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yeah, let's compile notes at least
1:05 PM
yeah, collect feedback
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we'll ALL send him messages πŸ™‚
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It's a holiday weekend
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k, bye!
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heya
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howdy
12:00 PM
how's the weekend been
12:00 PM
make any good food recently?
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Nooooooooo...I failed at pad thai, likely because I overcooked the noodles.
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ripppp
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gotta start over
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you'll get it
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yup
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sounds so good honestly
12:01 PM
im gonna heat up some pizza in the air fryer after this
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It had all the right ingredients but the wrong texture is all.
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i can't cook for shit honestly
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it's really something i wanna cultivate
12:02 PM
i'll add it to the list of things i want to do lmao
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howdy sprite
12:04 PM
nice to see u here
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Yeah! Well, start with spice combinations maybe, and write down/experiment with how long it takes to cook each kind of vegetable. And, watching videos of recipes has always helped me. Sometimes seemingly simple things (like pasta) are the hardest to get exactly right, while other recipes (like curry) are more lenient.
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gotcha
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youtube is such a great resource for stuff like that
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there's so much you can learn nowadays online
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maybe we'll wait another 5 minutes to see if anyone else comes in
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Sure
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We actually had a good lounge session on the 8th
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did we? i wasn't there
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with vibeshifter, 1uc2, and archon, just throwing around ideas
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that's awesome
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Topics: camaraderie πŸ™‚ , election results, chapter organization, networking update, fascist and antifascist history on the wiki, graph/mind map capability
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But, not much because I've been sick and dropping the ball, and I want to talk about that.
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camaraderie :): -I’m just sharing that I’ve had several people this week telling me about how they’ve been able to make connections. I’m just glad that we’ve been able to foster friendships. -Having people in the lounge is actually a good way to connect.
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Something short
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I was utterly fretting
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We weren't talking much about the election (edited)
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heya, 1uc2
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howdy
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WojtektheBear 11/13/2022 12:15 PM
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speak of the devil
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welcome PINAPPLE
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joe hill’s revenge 11/13/2022 12:18 PM
Hiya!
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What’s going on with the new member packs?
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hiya, archon!
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Topics: camaraderie πŸ™‚ , election results, chapter organization, networking update, fascist and antifascist history on the wiki, graph/mind map capability
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Yes, one sec
12:29 PM
There's been short surveys: People are looking for a kit containing around 25 stickers, 10 buttons, 1 flag, pamphlets/flyers to hand out, with the possibility of face masks for around $50. I've been speaking with habanero (sales, bachelors in communication) about distribution research/pointers, but haven't heard from them in a week. They are attempting to get into contact with briarbeware's group in Wisconsin.
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gotcha
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I'm going to get a roadmap from you, 1uc2.
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i haven't yet
12:33 PM
i haven't really had the opportunity
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Yep, on this agenda!
12:35 PM
flat, decentralized, independent
12:37 PM
seems like it, yeah
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joe hill’s revenge 11/13/2022 12:38 PM
Also, gonna just call it. Next flyer drive is Saturday December 3
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k
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welcome horhay69
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@1uc2 Maybe get in contact with OkraMonk? She's got input on the wiki for some stuff.
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@horhay new car?
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Skullmaggot
@horhay new car?
I’ve had it for a few years
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curcale and JohnBrownsGhost?
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yup k
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I'll message him
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too
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k
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gotcha
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lol
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see ya
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yup
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Well, it's restricted
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Just a small thing that vibeshifter came up with in the lounge chat
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it really shouldn't be on there, yeah
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i see
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@1uc2 maybe ask Casey?
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@1uc2 you may be able to check in with the website people
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me neither, which circles?
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That sounds awesome
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interesting
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This'd be more on what 1uc2's been talking about:
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graph/mind map: -This was an idea originally presented by 1uc2 to help with taking in HR data. I’m trying to understand a graph’s advantages while also making sure we can save data as a spreadsheet. I think we can also graph problems to make it easy to link problems to the people who can solve them. -I haven’t heard back from RaiseRuntimeError in a while with regards to a survey for collecting HR data, but this has been my fault for not being able to use my energy effectively enough to keep up with everyone. -A graph is actually very powerful, and you can insert any sort of information into it for the visualization of interconnections. Eightman has had something similar in the past for following the money in politics. This could be useful for OSINT as well.
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pretty active
12:58 PM
They took on some new responsibilities this last week. (edited)
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yeah, maybe reach out to Eightman!!
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Yep
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yeah
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My gf does machine learning if that could come in handy
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:02 PM
want to reach out to her?
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@1uc2 yeah, go for it.
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Eightman, OkraMonk, and Casey, are my wagers.
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She’s right here but we can wait till a more specific time
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:05 PM
Didn't cover networking
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networking update: -I’m looking to network with other groups with networks, likely the John Brown Gun Club and Liberal Gun Club to start. A big problem is that people come in here but can’t find any local AIF groups to join and then leave. A good purpose for the network is to not only be able to increase local numbers from nearby cities but to also simply soak up new people entering our spaces for immediate engagement whenever they pop in from. A network is a network, and some people have expressed needs like finding a job. I think a strategy of reaching out to and setting up groups in neighboring cities will allow us to radiate in a wave outwards.
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joe hill’s revenge 11/13/2022 1:05 PM
What about SRA?
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:05 PM
that too
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JBGC and LGC were our immediate contacts
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Yes, but a map was prohibited
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That was an older project that was shut down
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@1uc2 are you reading the chat?
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:07 PM
k
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yep, mutual aid orgs too
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We should start a fund/pool
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:09 PM
hmm
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like what?
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needs people to put up that large amount of info, but yeah
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POC/lgbt people might be the best people to put up front
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Diplomatically
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:11 PM
What do you mean?
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Like if we have some individuals to reach out, it might look less β€œwhite saviour led” if we express more inclusivity
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:12 PM
k
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just local emails
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I only say this because a member had received backlash from other marginalized individuals about looking too nationalist
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:14 PM
map was shut down ://////
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security, I believe
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joe hill’s revenge 11/13/2022 1:15 PM
Nvm
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:15 PM
k
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joe hill’s revenge 11/13/2022 1:15 PM
But fr
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:15 PM
?
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Target university campuses for flyers, at a local university here there’s lots of political clubs from outside the school that set up little meet n’ greets on campuses, these groups have included antifascists, communists, etc. We could get a few numbers and meet n greet at campuses
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Hey guys, i gotta head out see y'all!
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:18 PM
@horhay Yep, talk to vibeshifter about that
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see ya
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Mission statement
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:20 PM
hmm, k
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1. end fascism
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no, no, add more detail
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joe hill’s revenge 11/13/2022 1:22 PM
Yea exactly what aboutism would make anti fascism difficult
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:22 PM
Yeah, how about asking other orgs too then
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yup yup
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Homeland security
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Skullmaggot 11/13/2022 1:23 PM
Okay, I think that's it
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Thanks for coming, I believe we can adjourn
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I'll see ya, bye
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@Eightman I'm in the meeting room with voice enabled.
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:02 PM
Hello
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So far it seems you're the only one coming, did anyone else show up to the 11am meeting?
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:03 PM
Not that I saw
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Fantastic. Well you're here, so what would you be interested in working on with the zine?
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:04 PM
I threw my hat in as a contributor
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I think we need to think about who our audience is going to be
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We can do that, any recommendations you have on a target audience? (edited)
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:07 PM
I think the conception around AIF was to appeal to moderate to left mainstream folks to fight fascism. That should be our audience. Keeping in mind that these folks issues may differ from those in AIF.
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Use it as a recruitment/education tool.
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What are your thoughts?
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Moderate to left I agree with, as that was originally the audience I was going for. The zine is meant to help educate people on Iron Front views such as patriotism, anti-authoritarianism/fascism, as well as helping people that don't fully understand LGBTQ or Minority fights for equality why that's good in the long run for America
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:13 PM
Agree. I think that anything we write/publish needs to be rooted to an idea of a new patriotism.
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I think sometimes we struggle with making things relatable to the general moderate to left audience.
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What else did you want to cover?
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We were supposed to cover names for the zine, solidify jobs, and discuss collab software, but I'll just do that in the channel itself since we're the only two here
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:16 PM
What are names we have up for decision?
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So far just the ones I have written down, I was going to open it to all for input then have a final vote. Mine are Spirit of Liberty, 3 Points Press (Although that may turn into what the team itself is called), and Stars and Stripes
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:20 PM
I like the Spirit of Liberty. I know there was some push back on it but again I think the biggest asset the AIF brand has is appealing to American values as opposed to partisan politics and correcting the narrative on what being a patriotic American is.
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What can I do to help?
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We always need more journalists. I'm attempting to compete with a Christian-nationalist zine that outputs 5 articles every quarter. Our goal would be to equal or surpass that number of articles in the same timeframe.
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:23 PM
I’ve never seen one of those. I’m interested in seeing so I can understand what we are up against. Can you share? How is it being disseminated?
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The audience I threw out is very broad. Do you think narrower age bracket is good?
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:24 PM
Readership on campus vs general public?
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Narrower I think would only harm us in the beginning, getting as wide a range of audience should be our goal at first. General public would also probably work out better as we'd have to make connections with people on campus' to spread our work.
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:27 PM
I guess what is our targeted demographic? Every publication has that and it’s not usually as broad as what I threw out.
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How do you plan to disseminate the zine currently? Website publication? We do need content bad…
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I understand now, sorry. I'd say it's probably 18-40, working class/activists
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Website is the current plan, yes
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I'm also pondering the idea of asking for a blog on the website for more real time publication, instead of just quarterly
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:29 PM
That’s makes sense. So roughly millennials and gen z
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Correct
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:30 PM
What topics do you think will suit us best to achieve our objective?
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These people don’t vote. So I think that’s an important area
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Greetings
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Welcome!
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:31 PM
Welcome
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Currently we're discussing what topic we'd like to include in the zine
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One writer brought up the idea of making controversial articles, talking about heated topics such as the recent supreme court bs to attract more of an audience. I'm iffy on the idea but I'd like to get others opinions
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I like that idea
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:34 PM
I’m not against but the IDed demographic does not vote and is not super politically engaged
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I think it can be beneficial but I think we need some softer stuff too
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Agreed. If we do include such articles I'd most likely limit it to once per publication
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The freedom convoy people handed out flyers for their thing and that targeted a wide range of people using key words like β€œfreedom”
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You should have left version of dog whistles
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:38 PM
We need to keep in mind the things and items that are directly going to impact or are currently impacting the audience. Abortion access is one. Student loan repayment. Housing. Public education funding. Access to healthcare. Opportunity in general.
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Apologies for slow responses, I'm writing down meeting notes as well
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All these definitely have a place in the zine. The best way to get people to be political is to show it can happen to them. I myself wasn't political until something of importance directly impacted me, and now here I am heading an anti-fascist zine
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:41 PM
We are glad to have you 😁. I have to hop off soon. Is there any assignment that I can help to push this along? I chat with one of the web site guys sometimes. I intend on being on the meeting tomorrow if we want to do a report out.
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I’m 26 and I only learned the difference between left vs right last year
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For right now just bring up the idea of having a blog for more up to date articles. That may benefit us in helping writers get more experience while we get the zine put together
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Never too late to learn the difference.
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:44 PM
That’s good input. We need to think how to draw in that audience. I’m older and have been in politics since I was in middle school so…
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I think using unbiased/non personal descriptions and explanations is important, so it sounds like reporting and not so much of an opinion piece, but if someone writes opinion pieces then it should be clear at the top
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:45 PM
I’m gonna bounce I appreciate both of yours time. I know this can be hard to organize and keep momentum. If I have further input reach out direct @Envy or is this gonna be regular meeting?
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I fully agree with that. Our goal is to educate, and we can't do that if it sounds like indoctrination.
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I plan on hosting these every week if I can, but feel free to DM as well
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AldotheApache 12/10/2022 2:47 PM
People care about issues and values. Partisanship is where things get divided. And people are motivated by self interest. While being a leftist that doesn’t mean we should be ignorant of the realities of the world or harnessing them.
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Later y’all
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See ya.
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As for you
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What would you like to help with zine wise?
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Hmmmm I’m not much of use as far as startup goes, but perhaps in the near future I can offer stories and information
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That will work. Journalists need leads
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I like the idea of having an art/design segment
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Noted. If we can get people on board to send us art then I don't mind adding that
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Perhaps use of traditional land recognition from time to time
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Native land recognition? Or is that something else, sorry
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Yeah you got it
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Cool. We could do something like that, yeah. If we did start doing Native American articles though I'd be more comfortable getting someone of the tribe's input on that article, which may mean contacting the reservations themselves
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Like, if we did an article on the Black Hills and Mount Rushmore, I'd want someone who's familiar with the territory to have a say
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You could say brief things like β€œracist individuals gathered in , traditionally known as _ by the local indig”
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My spacers kind of messed up there but I think people would like that, small facts
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I could see that, yeah. We'd have to make sure the information we're putting out is accurate however
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You could do like an old bubble gum wrapper joke segment at the end every edition
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Hmmm, maybe
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Actually what if we did something like those old "find the 5th pig" games, and when you fold the page right it's hitler
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Hello!
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Example
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Click to see attachment πŸ–ΌοΈ
I’ve never seen that before lmaooo
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It's an old 1940's puzzle back from the war, but funny nonetheless
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I WAS ASLEEP IM SORRY
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Me too tbh
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hey all -- Skull asked me if I could join the meeting today because I have some experience in photography and photo editing, happy to help out as I can
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Fantastic! Hold on one moment
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Howdy Skull
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Whaaaaaatttt's uuuuuup!
12:00 PM
lol
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Nothing much, just church this morning then some xmas shopping
12:02 PM
how about yurself
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My internet just died, just moved to my phone for now.
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ooo yikes
12:05 PM
hey there topaz
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good morning y'all
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how's your morning?
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oh, the usual -- chilly and procrastinating the stuff I really need to be doing
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you?
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Discord’s buggy on the phone. I can’t join both the call and the open chat :////
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not bad it's just a sleepy ole sunday
12:07 PM
sorry about that skull
12:07 PM
it works fine for me
12:08 PM
howdy braakin
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Braakinthesaddle 12/11/2022 12:08 PM
Good morning all!
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Oh fuck, I think I may have it working for both finally.
12:09 PM
I think I hear Braak
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Braakinthesaddle 12/11/2022 12:09 PM
Yea I'm on my phone while I wait for my computer to install a zillion DC updates lol
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i've always been in the phone situation, i don't have a laptop or computer for discord
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My internet just went out…I wonder if it was also trying to install. How have things been?
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Not bad, I myself have taken a small step back from AIF stuff, i've had a lot going on
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Braakinthesaddle 12/11/2022 12:10 PM
One sec
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Morning
12:11 PM
Chugging along
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Hehehe
12:14 PM
Okay, got my internet back
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Braakinthesaddle 12/11/2022 12:16 PM
I'm glad to be back
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I'm glad I'm in dry California. Best weather for me here.
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Braakinthesaddle 12/11/2022 12:18 PM
Dry = best
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laughs in New England
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Dry is consistent
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51 over here (as the high) (edited)
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I've got an unusual weather event and flood warning.
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"Northern"
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Everything above San Luis Obispo
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Nobody wants San Luis Obispo
12:21 PM
always on the other side
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I guess not too many people here. Would you want updates on projects/happenings/groups, Braak?
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chapter organization/design, graph database functionality/design. There was also supposed to be a debrief about Ohio.
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Understandable
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no problem, we've all been there
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Hey skull maybe not worth it with the small group but did you see my ping to you?
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There was a recent PB protest
12:35 PM
not yet, sorry, let me look
12:36 PM
I skimmed. Bots?
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That was the idea, the question is: should we implement automated moderation?
12:38 PM
what ramifications does it have?
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Ok actually im gonna join but stay muted
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Bots are okay. It means probably quicker but less "just." I'm more concerned with how to address big problems for local groups or even moderation for multiple online spaces...Was there a particular problem that needed addressing?
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just this week
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@topaz if you make connections, I'd like to get contact data.
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We're nominally in communication with them but stuff seems stuck.
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WojtektheBear
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OkraMonk
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I'm from NM and it feels dark AF rn. I'm on mountain too
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So, to interject, JohnBrosGhost has asked for a sheet for who's running social media, and I'm assembling a spreadsheet for those involved in various "chapter activities."
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This is a rough idea of what people have been engaged in.
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No, it's new.
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It is, we need focus.
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And online at least, we're going to be choosing focuses to concentrate our efforts rather than spread them out.
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stepping away for a minute, brb
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k
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I'm always a logistics kind of guy. I would love to hear some ideas about how online organization can be improved to create better national organizational communiation
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1uc2's got a database project that is highly generalizable. It can be used to get people in contact with one another, I believe.
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It's rough, I'm not happy with it.
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no
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would you say green action would be something like volenteering to work at a voting station?
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Yeah, legal stuff.
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right. I'm just kinda confused about the drawing attention part
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heya, 1uc2
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12:58 PM
Maybe we should work more on "advertising."
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like advertise to recruit?
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We've been trying to connect with established JBGC chapters and other antifascist groups, but just messaging people hasn't worked.
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That's driving everything
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Need other spaces to advertise.
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Dr_Diskette 12/11/2022 1:00 PM
Glad to see things are going great here ❀️
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Braakinthesaddle 12/11/2022 1:01 PM
Glad to see you Diskette!
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Dr_Diskette 12/11/2022 1:01 PM
been a busy few months
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Braakinthesaddle 12/11/2022 1:01 PM
same
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I feel that the discord can be a place for more relaxed people, vs in person is for those who are wanting to be very active
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I feel that the discord can be a place for more relaxed people, vs in person is for those who are wanting to be very active
Dr_Diskette 12/11/2022 1:02 PM
^^ that was my OG though for it
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right. I think there can be a place for everybody in AIF but it requires some careful juggling
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yes herding cats is the right word lol
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:04 PM
It's tough and I can't keep up with everyone as much as needed :/
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It's tough and I can't keep up with everyone as much as needed :/
that's why we delegate connections
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:04 PM
Yeah, but the problem is distance
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I think we're struggling to get people connected. That's something to think about definitly
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:05 PM
Partnerships have been frustrating!!
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Pay attention to events
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I think the second circle is incoming
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send it over to me too, lol
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that might be useful for the "first circle"
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ie organizers
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:08 PM
haha, refer to OkraMonk and me
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We need people to discuss and write for that
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want to write up a charter
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It's a great idea, but at what point do we have too many documents that people don't really use?
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:09 PM
That's been the idea (edited)
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refer to OkraMonk, me, and probably vibeshifter
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It's a great idea, but at what point do we have too many documents that people don't really use?
Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:09 PM
Don't really have that concern yet
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k, bye
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Don't really have that concern yet
you don't, or I shouldn't?
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Dr_Diskette 12/11/2022 1:10 PM
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:10 PM
We don't have too many docs yet
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:12 PM
So, when people become more active, they "move up." Like, GothicIndigo/Envy has started a web zine.
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Yeah, I try to support people's ideas
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I feel that events being often allow people to not only participate further but also encorage people to take their own initiative. I think we're doing a pretty good job online to get people the recourses they need for their projects (edited)
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:14 PM
πŸ‘ @topaz
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training structure
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Alright, let's write up training structures
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Yes, I think we can use the intros more if we have a team of more people like curcale
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y'know, HR and outreach
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:18 PM
gaining more steam as things go on
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It starts with asking people to do it, and making a list of people who say yes, and then having someone check in with those "yes" greeters.
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Hey I'm gonna head out, but I'm definitly interested in the intros outreach idea
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so admins and whole server should talk further on this
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:19 PM
we will
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So yeah, OkraMonk and I are trying to write up procedures. I can divvy up stuff probably.
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@curcale Do you think you can write up a general doc for what you've done for yourself that works? Does that seem good? Then stitch together things.
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@curcale Do you think you can write up a general doc for what you've done for yourself that works? Does that seem good? Then stitch together things.
I can put something together about greeting?
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:23 PM
yep, or anything else that has been effective
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sure
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:23 PM
This could go into something internal or on the wiki.
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Need people to write
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k, see ya
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doesn't need to be, you see my docs? lol
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Did you want to talk at all about the graph database? I ended up having ideas in the middle of the night last night.
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I'll draft a spreadsheet for organizer handbook planning and share it with @Skullmaggot privately, then we can convene a side meeting and collect contributions from people interested in providing that content.
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that would be great, I have some time
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Nonprofits usually have that three-concentric-sphere structure formally in board members (core), staff (paid or volunteer), and at-large "membership" role (episodic contributors).
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:31 PM
So, firstly, it looks like we can adapt a graph database for HR data, for getting people in contact with one another, and for intelligence gathering. I'm just looking at the "getting people in contact with one another part." I guess building off the dark forest idea, I was thinking (how should I describe this?) each user can create a chat channel and choose the visibility of that channel for the following modes: 1) visible to all/public, 2) visible to selected members, 3) visible to one one other person/private, 4) visible to only the user themselves. That's all normal, but I was thinking about using some sort of "token" system that has depth, where a token of depth 1 given to a person allows that person to read a chat, but a token of depth 2 allows that person to then give other people a token of depth 1 to read the chat.
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I was thinking about figuring out the sort of web of trust.
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I was thinking of using cryptography to manage that.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:32 PM
Sure, but users can generate the basal tokens and decide what depth they have. The important depths are 1 and 2.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:33 PM
Was that what you were originally intending for the dark forest?
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What I'm suggesting will work like that, but people outside the circle will not even be able to read the messages, so there's much lower risk of hacking.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:34 PM
I'm not sure if there's a circle or just a list of names, where each user who created a chat is an owner/admin of that chat.
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Rather than some software comparing a person's request to read chat against some policy rules, everyone had access to all the data, but it's all encrypted, in a way that only allows intended recipients to read it.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:36 PM
Sure, that's security, but I'm trying to approach how to create a system around trust.
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Public Key Cryptography implements trust by "key signing."
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we don't need to make the cryptography a surface UI feature, but behind the scenes, clicking "I trust this person to read my messages" will trigger a key-signing under the hood.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:37 PM
I mean layman's trust, not cryptography.
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In this case, we just use the cryptography to keep track of the layman's trust.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:38 PM
I mean how the user can determine what's safe to share.
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yes
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So each user could create "circles" of intended recipients, usually we see that as a chat-room UI or a forum on a BBS.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:41 PM
yeah, but the kicker is the depth. A user can create a circle that can engender another circle at a shallower depth, and at some point it isn't allowed to expand further based on the depth the user decided it would be at.
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This works with "names" as well
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We can put those guard rails in. Sure.
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topaz: are you familiar with public-key cryptography and key-signing trust networks?
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:42 PM
Where a naming token allows you to PM a person or link them to a chat. Without that, even knowing the username without the token, you wouldn't be able to message them outside of public chats.
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@topaz
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@Skullmaggot you are describing exactly what I'm talking about.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:43 PM
sure, but I don't know jargon
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@1uc2 as a general matter, yes. I was around when the PGP/RSA wars were a thing πŸ™‚
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Long live Phil Zimmerman!
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I haven't really done work to implement public key architectures or really do much more than fetch keys as needed to pass them to an API to do stuff
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That's OK. I think there are libraries out there which do what I'm talking about.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:44 PM
So, depth is a regular thing for these chats? How would this be different from Discord other than the cryptography?
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Privacy, so Discord is a public forum, and Marcy enables secure private group messaging.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:45 PM
So, the original problem is to allow activists to find one another.
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But, then why not another encrypted messaging app?
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Some Marcy users will advertise certain details "open" to all other Marcy users, then they can build a web of trust in Marcy.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:48 PM
hmm. The other half of that is that people aren't open to having "all" Marcy users see those details, many need trust first.
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There can be the option but I doubt people will have a default openness.
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The uncomfortable Marcy users will not be able to act as organizers. They will need to contact someone who leaves an opening for others to contact them.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:49 PM
a user that creates a public chat
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Circles can be a contact target as well.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:49 PM
*channel
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'lo vibeshifter
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joe hill’s revenge 12/11/2022 1:50 PM
Hi
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Kinda... not a public chat, more like a mailbox.
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joe hill’s revenge 12/11/2022 1:50 PM
Im about to leave
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:50 PM
oh okay
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s'alright. Organizer's handbook.
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ha
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I'm at least collecting notes
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Alright, see ya
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What do you think is the main idea that needs explaining (to me)?
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marcy would provide newbies with a list of people in marcy that can help them get more involved, or groups that are active.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:54 PM
Hmm, I was actually last night almost feeling to go the opposite route
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but both are attractive
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actually
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That list would be made of information VOLUNTEERED by marcy users who are actively trying to involve volunteers.
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Tell me your idea. Nothing is solid yet.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:56 PM
The backwards idea was that make everything unseen and then slowly reveal stuff. So, people can initially find one another at public channels, and then can only continue into the darkness by giving each other their naming tokens for PMing and for being listed as being able to see other more private chats.
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I want to get people connected, but there's going to be layers to be able to keep people safe and secure, is what I think we're both saying.
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Yes. I think after people contact the organizer, they can go through some vetting and the organizer can add them to a distribution list working behind the scenes to send group decryption keys to all the insiders.
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They would see this as "now the group chat is visible"
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:59 PM
K, then it sounds like we're saying the same thing, I think
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Yes. I think so.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 1:59 PM
I was putting the distribution list up to the user, the organizer.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:01 PM
Is there depth? Should there be depth?
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All the messages in a group forum would be encrypted, requiring everyone to have a copy of "today's key" to read the messages.
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The organizer would have control over sending "today's keys" to everyone, and the app would just hide the cryptographic protocol complexity.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:02 PM
So, let's say Amy gives a key to Bob. Can Bob give the key to Charlie? Can that ability be toggled?
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You are so spot-on.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:03 PM
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The answer is that we could do that whichever way.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:04 PM
K. That alright to be the focus for the mvp instead of necessarily HR data or intelligence for starters?
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Oncer Bob has the cleartext, Bob can share that with Charlie out-of-band, so there's not much material difference.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:05 PM
I have no idea what those terms mean, lol.
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I think HR data is the "identity root" and intel data would need to ride on top of that.
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out-of-band just means "in a side conversation"
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:06 PM
What about preventing easily copy/pasting or print-screening?
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And, we should probably have the option for self-destructing text.
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There will never be a way to prevent it. Making it difficult is a bit of an arms race.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:07 PM
understandable
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There's a way to do self-destruction by deleting the keys necessary to decrypt the data, but once someone has the cleartext, we basically have to trust them not to leak it out-of-band.
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From an infosec perspective we should assume that once the data has been decrypted, it can and will be exfiltrated. In practice it might not hurt to deploy simple cut-and-paste blockers anyway (if they don't get in the way of legitimate use, but most of the time they do IMHO)
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:09 PM
Or, a way to tell who's leaking the data if it ends up elsewhere
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Making it super convenient to read the cleartext without saving it will go a long way towards preventing accidental leaks, but a "determined adversary" will always be able to do what they want with the cleartext they get.
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Oh.. yeah this provides a way to narrow down who had access to the info that leaked.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:10 PM
true
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With AI chat... we could "clobber" the messages, adding stego watermarking like YouTube audio.
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.. but that would be some over the top stuff down the line.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:11 PM
Okay, then, let's take a look at this from an infiltrator's/abuser's standpoint.
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You're good at security.
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I wouldn't count on being able to watermark text chats reliably, but sure, that's a conversation to have at a future date
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Usually I need to argue the other side πŸ™‚
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:13 PM
So, I get sensitive information and I spread it or use it to enact harm...Is that the end of the line? Are there no more safety measures? (edited)
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I see the watermarking feature as analogy to "voice disguise" that people could use if they wanted to say something without sounding like themselves.
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Leak detection is about canaries, I think.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:14 PM
What's a canary for this?
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Send a message that isn't real, but is likely to get leaked by an adversary. Then monitor for that fake info.
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My grandma used to work in publishing, and they sold their magazine subscriber list for single use to advertisers.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:16 PM
I really wonder how to monitor for info since we'll never know the endpoint.
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She would include fake names at her address, unique for each advertiser's license, so if she got junk mail she could tell which list and which advertiser was using the list.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:17 PM
If communications are limited to the dark forest, maybe make info carry a sort of indicator if it was shared further on the forest? (edited)
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"snapping twigs"
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She would include fake names at her address, unique for each advertiser's license, so if she got junk mail she could tell which list and which advertiser was using the list.
Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:18 PM
yep
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kinda like info-boobytraps.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:18 PM
Actually, yeah, exactly
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we could make an app that allows you to set booby traps
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That's a feature we could add, but I think that's over the next horizon for the intel DB.
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"Eddie"
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:20 PM
Maybe a piece of info contains a program/virus that if it's shared on another site it emails back to the original user that it's been shared?
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I'm thinking key stuff for Marcy would be to allow local group organizers to share time/place info for recruiting events.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:20 PM
yep, calendar
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It's dangerous to commingle instructions and messages.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:22 PM
I think I'll have to head off soon. No way to limit/booby trap stuff further?
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If your canary messages contain references to links which only bad actors would follow, then we can log requests at the server for those resources.
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"tracking pixel"
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:24 PM
What would be a link only bad actors would follow? Is it a disguised link?
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Something like that.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:25 PM
Looks like tracking pixels need consent, it's also abusable
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Do we need easy metrics for channels, like who is visiting them?
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Yeah. These features need to be designed and implemented carefully, but what we get is military grade.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:27 PM
Okay, alright if I wrap things up for this meeting? (edited)
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I'm here to answer your questions. Bye!
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:30 PM
Yeah, thanks for running through marcy some more with me. You were shooting for January? What milestones should I be looking out for?
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I really feel like this could take off, so I want to share as much of the leadership participation as I can.
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MVP means a half-assed demo, that hopefully mostly works for the most important stuff.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:31 PM
oh, and it'd be decentralized, right? not necessarily tied to one website?
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like Mastodon, if I'm communicating that correctly
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It'd need to start with one web site, and then since we're architecting the data for encryption at rest, replication is safe.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:32 PM
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So we could add server-to-server messaging and maybe even bolt on Mastodon's protocol.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:32 PM
That'd be pretty cool
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I was hoping for something to compliment Mastodon.
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Actually it's not a half-bad idea to try and hack the security into a mod for Mastodon.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:33 PM
yeah, might save you some time
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Do we need extra people for that?
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What language is Mastodon?
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so there would maybe be an AIF Mastodon server that also carries AIF secure messaging, and a cadre of local chapters also running the extended-Mastodon.
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I don't know what language Mastodon is written in. Let me look.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:34 PM
"it's all coming together :)"
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react.js
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is what I read
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Ruby on Rails, JavaScript (React.js, Redux)
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Ruby has a "permissive" programming culture, which inherits some difficulties from PERL.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:36 PM
Do you know Ruby?
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I think I'll get going though. Thanks!
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I'm not a Ruby person, but I can learn as I go.
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After learning ~3 programming languages, there's a strong base to draw from.
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I hate Ruby.
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A fourth or fifth takes 1:10 the effort of the first or second.
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Skullmaggot 12/11/2022 2:38 PM
see ya
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I also dislike Ruby, but they also have a Mastodon API, and there's JavaScript in the browser that could be monkey-patched to provide extensability.
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@topaz Do you want to talk more, or do you need to go?
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I can chat a little more
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joe hill’s revenge 12/11/2022 5:06 PM
Hi
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Hi skull, I wont be able to actively participate as I have quite a busy day. If others do show up and you want my input on something, please ping!
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 12:29 PM
K thanks. I was just testing voice since I’m out and about.
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Could you mute yourself when not speaking? I believe I can hear you walking lol
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Howdy
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 12:42 PM
Hiya, I’d like to test audio!
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Sounds like we’re in a pocket while walking
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 12:44 PM
You want to do text or voice?
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What’s up, though?
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Whatever is most convenient for you works, and I just woke up 🀣
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Hbu?
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 12:48 PM
Text is okay, I was just wondering if people wanted to voice chat since I haven’t been doing that. I’ve been at my computer every other week but I’ve been feeling like that’s too sedentary and works against our goals to be active. I figure it’d be better to be out of the house.
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Just taking a walk right now.
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I’ve been going to the gym for a few weeks now
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Training to put myself in the way of fash
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 12:53 PM
I wonder if it’s possible to get people active and online hereβ€”or online here when they are active. I think we can make use of synchronous activity even when separated by distance. I’d like to train too. Would it be presumptive to try to get your availability? What days or hours are you out and about?
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I’m working 830 am - 330 pm PST, then I usually go to the gym after work for an hour, but I’m usually lurking on this discord quite frequently throughout the day & night
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I work weekdays full time but other than that I’m usually around here
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 1:00 PM
I think in general just having people in the voice chat Lounge would be a good thing. I need input as to whether I should be focusing more on organizational resources (like I’ve been doing for the past month) or focusing on just chatting up people, somewhat processing them (since there’s a ton), and driving up an atmosphere of familiarity. I can’t seem to do both with the little time I got. Additionally, even though talking with people is necessary, I’ve hit my limits with how many people I can keep up with…Still, I’ve been thinking my time is probably more useful chatting with people rather than writing anything down.
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We got a partial handbook coming out that can be useful, but it’s taking a lot of time away from getting to know people, which is a more fundamental thing to keep up with :/.
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Do you have any allies irl that could help? I personally wouldn’t mind hanging out in the lounge more
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 1:08 PM
I was thinking of reaching out to Comrade J to start something. I wasn’t doing anything irl previously because I was in poor health (I couldn’t really get put much). Since mid-December though, I’ve been stronger. Buuuuuut, I need to get the time to reach out. I think I’m going to give the partial handbook a cursory review, put it out for people to contribute more sections, and then just spend my time chatting people up. I want to be in the lounge more, but a lot of the time I’m dealing with too poor mental health to want to interact with others directly. (I tend to be antisocial when ill.) It also doesn’t help to be home and muted. I’ve stopped taking walks at night after being cornered by a coyote once. It was scary.
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I tend to be free after work but I hope to not be sedentary.
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I was thinking of reaching out to Comrade J to start something. I wasn’t doing anything irl previously because I was in poor health (I couldn’t really get put much). Since mid-December though, I’ve been stronger. Buuuuuut, I need to get the time to reach out. I think I’m going to give the partial handbook a cursory review, put it out for people to contribute more sections, and then just spend my time chatting people up. I want to be in the lounge more, but a lot of the time I’m dealing with too poor mental health to want to interact with others directly. (I tend to be antisocial when ill.) It also doesn’t help to be home and muted. I’ve stopped taking walks at night after being cornered by a coyote once. It was scary.
We have coyotes in my neighborhood, I am paranoid for my dog's safety (she is small) yet another reason to carry pepper spray.
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My cat actually disappeared a few months ago presumably from coyotes 😭
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 1:12 PM
Yeah. I didn’t appreciate before, but when my dog was young she used to be out in back yard, and we’d get bobcats. Probably not great.
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My cat actually disappeared a few months ago presumably from coyotes 😭
Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 1:12 PM
Oh, I’m sorry
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My cat actually disappeared a few months ago presumably from coyotes 😭
I'm so sorry, I hope you have indoor cats only now
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Yeah we’re a lot more serious, I live on a ranch so typically they’re fine but I’ve seen online and now experienced a rise in cocky coyotes in my area
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What do you have for the handbook right now?
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 1:18 PM
I think the most-filled sections are antifascist/direct action, some help with how to speak with people about antifascism (though it’s in the section β€œWhat does it mean to be part of AIF?” and probably should be in a different section), and organizational tips…I forgot, I wanted austinwiltshire to look over organizational stuff as an expert, and we should be getting more experts to weigh in on it because right now it’s in a naive state. It’s less disorganized than it was but many sections are empty when we haven’t organized or coalesced information about those functions. The handbook discusses more or less a gamut of things that people have been interested in doing and provides some guidelines. Did you want the link to the cryptpad collaboration?
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Yeah we’re a lot more serious, I live on a ranch so typically they’re fine but I’ve seen online and now experienced a rise in cocky coyotes in my area
I see, Ive also seen foxes in my backyard which makes me hold back from getting chickens.
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I see, Ive also seen foxes in my backyard which makes me hold back from getting chickens.
A good tall chicken wire fence should do, until you have bears
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I could theoretically add content as an international member, I’m going to defend a drag show and gather info on freedumb fighters next weekend
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I could theoretically add content as an international member, I’m going to defend a drag show and gather info on freedumb fighters next weekend
Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 1:24 PM
Thanks, we have some protest information but could use more experience. No chance of involving the people here with your protest? Would being online be not worthwhile?
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At least I’ve never seen any bears. We do have mountain lions though.
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I think I’ll get going though. Thanks for stopping by and chatting.
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Sorry I don’t understand what you mean by involving the people here and would being online not be worthwhile
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Have a good day though!
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 1:29 PM
People get out but we haven’t got them to β€œstream” or be online while out. I figured it was distracting or not worthwhile. Could be too loud or something. I’ll try to up activity and sharing but I’ll have to see what people want to do.
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Ahhh I see
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I’m planning on filming if it’s worth it but for the most part my bandwidth/resolution would be trash
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Skullmaggot 1/22/2023 1:31 PM
Very much worth it but keep your identity hidden if you upload anything as this is still a publicly accessible Discord.
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Bye! Got to go!
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:06 PM
@joe hill’s revenge hullo
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joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:06 PM
Hi
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:08 PM
How have things been going locally? Have you been getting a better idea of where to find people? There's also lots of discussions going on in #organization .
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joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:10 PM
Not really yet, I’ve just moved and I’m focusing on getting involved with other groups
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:11 PM
That works. Congrats on moving! What other groups?
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joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:11 PM
There’s gonna be a fascist event next month im hoping that we can use that to launch the chapter
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:11 PM
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Skullmaggot
That works. Congrats on moving! What other groups?
joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:11 PM
Mostly south Jersey DSA and the marxist Leninist union
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:11 PM
Do you want additional materials?
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I might be able to make a pamphlet but I'd want info about what to put in it.
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joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:12 PM
It a toilet paper USA event with Candice owens and Charlie Kirk
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Howdy doo
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:12 PM
@horhay hiya
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joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:12 PM
There are already plans to counter but no public organizing yet
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:13 PM
Posting on the subreddit for the city can help, I think.
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and on r/IronFrontUSA
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joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:13 PM
This was an advertisement the Rutgers chapter of toilet paper used for a previous event so@they aren’t hiding if
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:13 PM
and other antifascist subs
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Skullmaggot
Posting on the subreddit for the city can help, I think.
joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:14 PM
Other people are planning to@counter hard
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So I don’t want to blow the cover
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There is an existing coalition including all@the usual suspects
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Im hoping to use the actual event to recruit
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:15 PM
Do you have a metric for the outcome? Something number you want to either increase or decrease?
12:15 PM
Okay, so the metric is getting more people?
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Skullmaggot
Okay, so the metric is getting more people?
joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:16 PM
I think the metric is just starting s small chapter
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I’ll probably try to bring some flyers and those business cards u made
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:20 PM
I'm going to be meeting up with Comrade J soon (I'm waiting to hear a plan they're writing up). For Northern California, I'll be trying to set up community defense as well as figure out how to disrupt fascist organization in the region. My measurable objectives are to identify fascist's big moves and disrupt their outcomes.
12:21 PM
Yep, I can hear you
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The zine?
12:21 PM
She
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Anarchist / socialist cook clubs
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:23 PM
The handbook is in a useable state
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Book****
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:23 PM
If partial and non-expert
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Hmm
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Well, when do you think it's ready? When all the sections have been filled out? We still need to figure out plenty of stuff that we haven't gotten info for. I think the main focus is getting more people. The handbook has been okay as a FAQ, but to really use it as a resource, we need people to use it for training, but to do that, they probably ought to have local groups to be engaged first.
12:26 PM
I'd be focusing on just finding local people for now. Talking through a handbook with everyone is time consuming.
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Real world structure?
12:26 PM
You mean an affinity group?
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Hmm, like a zoom?
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oh
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Okay
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an office
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Dooo it
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:27 PM
people's homes
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at least
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yeah yeah
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Hmm
12:28 PM
that's a great point
12:28 PM
The zine isn't physical, though
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oh
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Yeah, I believe she fell ill
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A New Jersey 81 support page follows my IF page
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:30 PM
Okay, I'm a graphic designer, I can help with the zine. But yeah, I wonder if "headquarters" will be a thing to arrange.
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Hells angels
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:30 PM
interesting
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I though they were exclusively ancaps but she posts socialist stuff and likes antifa stuff
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horhay
A New Jersey 81 support page follows my IF page
joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:30 PM
Bro what
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horhay
I though they were exclusively ancaps but she posts socialist stuff and likes antifa stuff
joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:31 PM
I thought hells angels were all@nazis
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And a criminal gang
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:31 PM
@joe hill’s revenge Oh! Wait a second, The Dozer way back when suggested meeting up at libraries.
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Skullmaggot
@joe hill’s revenge Oh! Wait a second, The Dozer way back when suggested meeting up at libraries.
joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 12:31 PM
That’s a good idea if we can get members
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Btw my phone is at 9%
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Vc destroys my batter
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It’s the H A
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8 1
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I’ll link
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I think so too
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But they’re also vets
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:32 PM
I'm not going to reach out, haaa
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I’m not going to reach out either lmaoooo
12:32 PM
Her Facebook is open
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:34 PM
What groups/orgs are you visiting/reaching out to coming up?
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Hahaha I don’t know, I think some members just use the club for evil and some for good
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I got sketched out when she followed me but she likes one of my commie followers content
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It’s code for Ha
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Yea
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:36 PM
This is in New Jersey?
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Yeah, my local cop watch follows her too
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:37 PM
Another to think about is asking people for help. People want to help but they need to know what to help with. Smaller stuff is easier, such as helping you find local groups to reach out to.
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I'll just post a couple things that I wanted to put out here:
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list of possible places to get people: -community gardens -seed banks -conservation groups -hiking clubs -community fridges -Democratic Socialists of America -LGBTQIA+ groups -Liberal Gun Club -Socialist Rifle Association (Beware of authoritarian communists.) -https://www.actlocal.network/ Organizations may be a bit more opaque to get involved in, so I would want to identity both individuals and de facto local affinity groups who are acting within these organizations. Identifying these internal friend groups will help roll people into what’s been organized, giving a more personal way of getting involved. Similarly with us, we have the option of both online and offline affinity groups. In the case of online affinity groups, I would hope to be able to identify who’s friendly with whom so that we can better incorporate new people coming to the Discord and help with retaining them. concentrate discussions: I’m trying to prompt the use of synchronicity as an organizational tool. A synchronous conversation is where people are chatting live in real-time, whereas an asynchronous conversation is where people are sending messages back and forth intermittently with no two people being present at the same time. Synchronicity, I believe, is key towards engaging people and bringing them together for organizing. I also want to be able to not only connect with local groups but list where online they are having discussions. Inviting them to our discussion spaces or going to theirs increases the frequency of interaction among our groups. If you’ve been connecting with outside groups, I’d like to write down who we know as well as where online (or offline) they chat (when reasonable). We also have an a partial, non-expert Organizer’s Handbook out. We should also develop this time as an Orientation, so I’ll probably have to figure that out that as well.
ActLocal is a national network focused on strengthening progressive coordination by convening local events, providing best-practices, and listing organizations.
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12:39 PM
Yeah
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Okay, so antifascism plus what??
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That was 1% in 10 minutes
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I mean yeah
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pool parties
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That sounds cool, actually
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A lot more people party than do antifascism
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12:41 PM
so we can work on the social aspect perhaps first, actually. This is a damn good point.
12:43 PM
Maybe we should find/research all the local social events
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12:43 PM
How's Iron Front Canada been going?
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hmmmmmm
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What's the link to your page?
12:45 PM
yep
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You have social media, set up @joe hill’s revenge?
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:47 PM
Okay, bye, in case you disappear!
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Could I get your instagram, horhay?
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 12:48 PM
Bye!!
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later
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lol
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I'd want to set up social media soon for NorCal. How difficult has it been? (I'm already stretched thin on so many commitments.)
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Has Xulff been helping?
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If you can list things and be concrete about what you want help with, I think asking the people here to help can work.
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yeaaaaah
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you need numbers first
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12:53 PM
Monitor their inputs and outputs and disrupt their organizing
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yet
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:/
12:56 PM
They aren't attacking you, only their idea of you.
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Fake fascist clubs?
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What about to disrupt organizing, flood socials with fake organizing pages?
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yeah
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I mean, you can definitely involve other people if you have an attack plan
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Sorry, what? I couldn't hear.
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@joe hill’s revenge What did you need? I couldn't hear.
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What do you mean? I don't have any info on it, sorry.
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Oh
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I don't think I have it, but maybe also check with AldotheApache.
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Skullmaggot
I don't think I have it, but maybe also check with AldotheApache.
joe hill’s revenge 2/5/2023 1:01 PM
Ok
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Skullmaggot 2/5/2023 1:01 PM
GothicIndigo was trying to arrange cryptpad, but I don't know how far she got.
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Okay, I'll announce that the zine is rolling again, but be aware that I believe most people want to do irl organizing at the moment rather than anything online.
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kk
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Simultaneously, the Carolina groups are growing, so we may be able to experiment helping them with local organizing and finding social events in the Carolinas to help out.
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AvoidOblivion
1:06 PM
They just started having people
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And they are likely spread out
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Right, but "the best antifascism is local."
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Oh, so, if you read above, I also want to learn about other groups' online discussion spaces.
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I want to list them. I want to concentrate talks as best I can.
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Increase density, whether online or offline.
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want in?
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k
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I believe there's been a falling out since we've been seen as too slow.
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campmods dropped in a little while ago, supposedly looking to reconnect
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@joe hill’s revenge Are you on there?
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I'm on there but not active since I don't get responses from anyone who'd be on there. I don't want to be kicked out.
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I like the optimism, but hell if organizing isn't tough.
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Oh
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hmmm
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Really, we need to be able to provide something of value
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Wiki's open, just add stuff to it.
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This stuff runs off of engagement.
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Okay, thanks for everything, lots of good thoughts.
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see ya
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yep
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I do a meeting every two weeks
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k
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Did you get a copy of the handbook yet?
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It's partial and non-expert. We'll fill out more sections, but my main focus will be to just chat people up. I'm mostly in #organization these days.
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I'll invite you to the private discussion page too
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So, if you make connections, I'd like to list them so as to incrementally increase the number of connections with them rather than have a single person be the contact.
1:17 PM
Sounds like you're doing a ton, so pace yourself. I'm prone to burning out (I'm burnt out today), so yeah, make sure to take care of yourself.
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So, you've got OSINT going already. We haven't set that up in the public space yet, but if you're able to direct people towards what you need and you have clear goals, people will help when you ask. OSINT is more private, so probably do it in an encrypted messaging app and link me the space so I can list it.
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OSINT like that is also something that people find engaging.
1:19 PM
I got Signal
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1:20 PM
you mean VOIP?
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VOIP can obscure your phone number with another number since you use your number with Signal.
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Like, Google Voice or a burner phone will work
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Can I DM you?
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k
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 11:59 AM
well shit, I keep disconnecting?
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I keep disconnecting in via computer so I'm on my phone.
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Hullo
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Anybody there? I've been having trouble with my connection.
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You're the agenda today, @joe hill’s revenge
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That's just people
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Just got to chat with people to engage them.
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And, we have a Google form.
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People are still waiting for more density.
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Really?
12:10 PM
Ok
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@joe hill’s revenge Okay, you need to remind me to make announcement since you know the date, k? (edited)
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joe hill’s revenge 2/19/2023 12:10 PM
Yes
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It’s the second Saturday of every month
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:11 PM
Ok
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joe hill’s revenge 2/19/2023 12:11 PM
Now
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:11 PM
Okay, you mean Boston?
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We have existing chapters on here
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Massachusetts, Indiana, Arizona
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But, setting up new chapters has been difficult but is the focus.
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Antifa or AIF?
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If you have links, I'd want to look them up.
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This is a public Discord and not everything is connected.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:13 PM
heya
12:13 PM
just having breakfast i’ll be on the mic in a bit
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:13 PM
We sort of avoid listing everything though
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DM is fine
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Political update
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Prolly just recent news
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and determining more immediate direction
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:14 PM
well we’re about to pass a bill making any gender affirming care for minors illegal
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:16 PM
So, how is that affecting things going forward? Materially?
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ah yup
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The businesses will murder them in return.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:17 PM
it gives us an opportunity to show how harmful the far right is being, too
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:18 PM
at great detriment to everyone
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@floppunism [BOI, ID] So, we're just going over recent events.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:19 PM
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:21 PM
4-5 train derailments happen a day
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That link you sent me, @joe hill’s revenge , lists a lot of local groups that are helping out.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:22 PM
yeah michigan, it was inconsequential though iirc
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:22 PM
I'm just going to post this link I got from 1uc2 (it's long) but it goes over a methodology of how to spread local disinformation: https://www.npr.org/1154867064
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So, talking about news together can help us determine a more coordinated direction.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:23 PM
pretty sure that stuff is a 4chan psyop. 4chan is still very happily running psyops with multiple recent examples
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lol
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:23 PM
no problem
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So...then what are more immediate things to do? What info should we collect to know what to do?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:24 PM
@AvoidOblivion talk in here btw
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:24 PM
k
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trans-banning bills are all over the place now
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@floppunism [BOI, ID] πŸ‘ Hand out business cards and make connections (edited)
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exactly exactly
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:27 PM
Oh sorry, did not know this was here.
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Never knew Discord had this feature
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:27 PM
@floppunism [BOI, ID] So, I believe there's a number of people in Idaho now, I'll get you a list soon.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:28 PM
just tagged stompy in #idaho
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Stompy and I live in the same area
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:28 PM
kk
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But, might be a few that you can reach out to individually.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:28 PM
πŸ‘
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i'd go out and do stuff a lot more if i didn't have school, most rallies here are during weekdays
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:29 PM
How about this: We post on the subreddit (and wherever else) these new bills happening everywhere to stir up consciousness?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:29 PM
and make sure to add a caveat how we discussed this in the discord to encourage activity and joining
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:30 PM
Overall, I want to create a cycle of news and activation.
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What news can we put out?
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That's what fascism is: protecting the right to kill people without consequence.
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Exactly, but also people outside of the Discord.
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There are plenty of people outside AIF that are active
12:32 PM
it's just making connections
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:32 PM
I was fully convinced recently that police are just legal organized crime. These shootings are just proof of that.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:33 PM
@Zed-Juron I can help with direction, I can analyze a situation, and I will see if I can direct attention towards what you need if you can spell out a specifically what you need. (edited)
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What info you want, what you want done, etc.
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kk
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You have a lot of people just wondering what to do, but they want to help
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:35 PM
The NC State Senate has been passing laws that are similar to Don't Say Gay.
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There are laws being passed, but I am just forgetting about them at the moment.
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Roy Cooper, our governor, is a democrat. He is likely to veto them.
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Another law is most likely going to pass that will remove the Pistol Purchase Permit.
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So, anyone can purchase a pistol without needing a permit or background check.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:36 PM
I can see if I can get people to research laws getting passed in other states. There's a lot of little research work that can be divvied up, I think.
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:37 PM
There is another far-right inspired bill introduced that I am blanking on. If Cooper vetoes the PPP law, it will most likely be overridden by the State Congress.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:37 PM
yuuuuuuuuup
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:38 PM
The NC House voted to expand Medicaid with it having large bipartisan support. Another bill would require all businesses to accept cash, which can be a problem for delivery drivers and small businesses due to the threat of robberies.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:39 PM
I'm focusing on what I can do in California and Florida this month but also the Carolinas too.
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:39 PM
I'm all good, that is everything I had to offer.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:39 PM
I was going to make a simple announcement that I've networked with a couple states.
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for firearms training
12:39 PM
let me look things up (edited)
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Just that I've networked for firearms training in a few states, but which locations is restricted :/
12:41 PM
Need to inquire specifically
12:41 PM
Unfortunately not the Carolinas yet
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So, it was suggested that we can do seminars, like a Stop the Bleed course, on here
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Maybe these topics: -mutual aid -community defense -firearms -fitness -legal observer -medical training
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:43 PM
I would be interested in learning a bit about all of those.
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joe hill’s revenge 2/19/2023 12:44 PM
I could do a seminar on solidarity network organizing
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:45 PM
@Tsunamix I'll prolly have to talk with you afterwards to understand what you're talking about. (I'm half-deaf, so I'm missing some things.)
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Would it be okay to ask everyone for local information? I want to collect everything so that I can be informed and share national information.
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@Tsunamix I'll prolly have to talk with you afterwards to understand what you're talking about. (I'm half-deaf, so I'm missing some things.)
Oh that’s cool! Yeah sure! Tbh I’ve kinda misheard some stuff cuz I’m outside rn
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Would it be okay to ask everyone for local information? I want to collect everything so that I can be informed and share national information.
AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:47 PM
Sure, I can share some info in a private chat.
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AvoidOblivion
Sure, I can share some info in a private chat.
Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:47 PM
thanks
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I want to collect all info I can
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I do well with a high amount of info
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military's more liberal and younger than the police, right?
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:50 PM
Not entirely, and not in all places, but kind of from what I have heard.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:50 PM
you cut out!
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hello?
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You cut out!!!
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@Tsunamix Start over, you cut out
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Skullmaggot
military's more liberal and younger than the police, right?
maybe, large portions are minority. but its hard to say if its more liberal
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:52 PM
maybe as a trend
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:52 PM
Their family trees are closer together than their shield walls.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:54 PM
no problem, the joke still hit
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We need more help with the flyer drive
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Skullmaggot
military's more liberal and younger than the police, right?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:54 PM
equally extremist but a bit more liberal yeah
12:54 PM
special ops are often extremist though
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:54 PM
"more liberal"
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:54 PM
those guys are often chosen more for their loyalty than anything else
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:55 PM
i mean, yeah
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that's all it is
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:55 PM
mhm
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:55 PM
Now, how to break that loyalty...
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k bye
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@Tsunamix Yep, I'll process you later
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I'll collect your flyers too
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lol
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k, thx
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:57 PM
Is that everything for the meeting?
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:57 PM
I think so, but, what you want for Carolinas?
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Anything I can help with?
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carpool
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maybe
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oh
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do you?
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:58 PM
I would prefer to see greater organization and networking, but that would be best done with more people.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:58 PM
I guess not
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hmm
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Well, we can try to think outside the box
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 12:59 PM
Good talk, Zed. This state does really need to improve public transportation.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:59 PM
k bye
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:59 PM
oh one last thing; we have a lot of people in massachusetts. we could probably get something more physical and in-person started there
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the population density of new england is something we should take advantage of
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:59 PM
@floppunism [BOI, ID] I mean, Boston is our most active chapter on here
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/19/2023 12:59 PM
ah, fair
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 12:59 PM
They are an original chapter
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and WojtektheBear and OkraMonk seem to be handling their coordination
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 1:00 PM
We had someone join who was from NC, but they have yet to do anything in the server aside from introduce themselves.
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AvoidOblivion
We had someone join who was from NC, but they have yet to do anything in the server aside from introduce themselves.
Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 1:00 PM
K, yeah. As we like to say "the best antifascism is local." See who you can find locally.
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I try, but bringing in people through the reddit is a game of chance
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AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 1:01 PM
I will be on the lookout. Hopefully I will be heading to college in a few months, and that will be a good place to find like-minded people.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 1:01 PM
Definitely
1:01 PM
be safe
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Skullmaggot
I try, but bringing in people through the reddit is a game of chance
AvoidOblivion 2/19/2023 1:01 PM
Don't worry about it. Most people don't even bother with introducing themselves.
1:01 PM
Good talk, and it was nice to put some voices to some names.
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Skullmaggot 2/19/2023 1:01 PM
see you
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joe hill’s revenge 3/5/2023 12:02 PM
I’m in the car
12:02 PM
Gonna text mostly
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Howdy
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Skullmaggot 3/5/2023 12:03 PM
Are you able to hear me? My computer keeps saying my mic isn't working.
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joe hill’s revenge 3/5/2023 12:04 PM
I can hear
12:05 PM
I don’t have much time so can we get the zine part out ofnthe way quickly
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GreaverBlade 3/5/2023 12:09 PM
I could encourage simply publishing on an ongoing basis if this is going to be a web-based publication instead of a print publication.
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A constant stream of relevant content.
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12:15 PM
I think we could start relatively simple on propaganda. NAFO has had a lot of success via shitposting; we could do the same and wouldn't need top tier graphic design.
12:16 PM
Take German Iron Front propaganda from the 40s, and slap updated images and text over them. Dump them in any online thread we see from a fascist organization.
12:17 PM
RE: a kit. We could also simply have a digital packet that we could provide to people who are interested in simply printing themselves. Maybe an individual has some money on hand to do a run themselves.
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I like the idea of having a segment dedicated to a recent moment of direct action (edited)
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I think we could start relatively simple on propaganda. NAFO has had a lot of success via shitposting; we could do the same and wouldn't need top tier graphic design.
joe hill’s revenge 3/5/2023 12:18 PM
What’s nafo?
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GreaverBlade 3/5/2023 12:21 PM
North Atlantic Fellas Organization. A group of pro-Ukraine trolls who undercut Russian propaganda.
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Skullmaggot 3/5/2023 12:47 PM
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GreaverBlade 3/5/2023 12:59 PM
Heading out. Stuff to do today!
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Skullmaggot 3/5/2023 1:04 PM
bye
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C.J.
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Skullmaggot 3/5/2023 1:29 PM
Laguz24
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JohnBrosGhost (AIF Indiana) (edited)
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GreaverBlade
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currently touching grass
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Skullmaggot 3/5/2023 1:43 PM
heya TheAnonymousDew
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1:55 PM
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Skullmaggot 3/5/2023 2:12 PM
I'm back
2:13 PM
having chicken adobo for lunch
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I gotta get out at about 11:30.
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I need to head out. See ya!
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Skullmaggot
I need to head out. See ya!
Send me the crypt pad thing pls
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Sunshine
Send me the crypt pad thing pls
Skullmaggot 3/5/2023 2:34 PM
Still constructing it and I'll have it ready tonight. I need to head out right now, I'm out of time.
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Skullmaggot 3/5/2023 2:50 PM
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:01 PM
Oh wow, hello!
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lol
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Everybody all at once, huh?
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I'll be muted
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Yeehawww
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:02 PM
I've only got basic stuff
12:02 PM
mostly for new members
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I'd rather hear out what others are working on and if I can answer questions
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hiya, a679591!
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Looks awesome
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marches are exhausting, especially in the cold
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:09 PM
no it's good. Does anyone have anything else?
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Revolae, how are things going in Virginia?
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I think probably major stuff I'll be encouraging people to make social media accounts to get local people.
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Doctor Eval 3/19/2023 12:11 PM
Mildly?
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:18 PM
bye
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Virginia is growing
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curcale
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curcale is not active in the Discord currently (edited)
12:20 PM
New group is headed by 6L3THAL and Revolae
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I also have to bounce, I'll look for the OSIT scheduler
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I also have to bounce, I'll look for the OSIT scheduler
Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:20 PM
k bye
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@WojtektheBear have tips for paranoia? For Revolae?
12:22 PM
probably go slow
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hahaha
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:26 PM
@a679591 No, we need to make chapters there. You could also contact Miami JBGC, but I don't have their contact details. I have a friend who should be able to contact them. (edited)
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@a679591 I've got possible contacts for you.
12:31 PM
yep
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I'm done
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I'm here
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I'm in!
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:31 PM
nomactivist
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We can figure things out
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:32 PM
yeah
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@Vael Doing you have firearms training nearby for your group?
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bye WojtektheBear
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yes?
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I'm muted
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sorry
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That was a fluke
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Normally, I have my parents in the next room. I will remain muted.
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You're not, but you can have the semblance of a law-abiding citizen.
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I know them through a friend of a friend
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They're interested in established chapters
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so if you have a group of people
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they'll want to work with you
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:43 PM
sure
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It depends on people's engagement to do anything. We need growth to achieve some density for people. Virginia has been flyering, and we can work on social media. Most of the time, people bring in their own contacts at this point :/.
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no, not on the subreddit, but Krat is. What do you need?
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WojtektheBear does OSINT and will provide direction
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Exactly
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But, they haven't been training us for that at all. This has been a public Discord, and they were not open to sharing their methods. (edited)
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6L3THAL has tools
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there's a website
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Okay
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The public Discord has to come up with things largely for themselves. We have to write it up/find the resources.
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Yes
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of course
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We'll have to create OSINT resources. I believe we'll get a little training from WojtektheBear as well.
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joe hill’s revenge 3/19/2023 12:51 PM
@Skullmaggot what’s yr pfp
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I like it
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:51 PM
cyborg otter
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robotter
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joe hill’s revenge 3/19/2023 12:51 PM
Where is it from?
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:52 PM
@Vael Is 6L3THAL involving you in their OSINT?
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joe hill’s revenge
Where is it from?
Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:52 PM
DALL-e
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kk
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one sec
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@a679591 I'll definitely talk with you afterwards
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Sounds good
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:54 PM
@joe hill’s revenge (edited)
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sorry, that previous one was a single card
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joe hill’s revenge 3/19/2023 12:55 PM
Thx
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 12:57 PM
open-source intelligence
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me?
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What you need?
12:57 PM
oh
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Hmm, probably a period of trust-building
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Maybe ask them what they need
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Then I'll try to keep you updated
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You have other people in your group too
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that can act as an in-between
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yeah...
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I'll see what I can do with 6L3THAL
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auntie network
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Connect with Canada as a backup plan
1:05 PM
I've got some Canadian contacts as well
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:06 PM
sunlight disinfects
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:06 PM
We need to build information and networks
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Need to build infrastructure.
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@Vael Let's see if we can also get you in contact with any JBGCs in Virginia.
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:08 PM
I'm about to buy a house with my mom (still looking), I'm hoping to use the property for anything useful, even if it's a safe couch to crash on your way out of Oklahoma
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Allegedly Human
I'm about to buy a house with my mom (still looking), I'm hoping to use the property for anything useful, even if it's a safe couch to crash on your way out of Oklahoma
Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:08 PM
noted
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no it's not
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don't sacrifice yourself
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:09 PM
smallest body count possible though?
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I'd rather it be zero
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:10 PM
no radicalization
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Okay
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Let's work on getting you out of your current environment.
1:12 PM
yeah
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:12 PM
happens to me a lot
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:12 PM
s'alright
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:12 PM
when I'm tired and hangry
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NJP means something different to vets
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but it's not surprising, actually
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ew
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:13 PM
to you?
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goofs
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true
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:14 PM
control by fear
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:15 PM
well, let's make ourselves scary
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sleep well
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:16 PM
sleep well!
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:17 PM
goodnight
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hiya, Kattt and AllegedlyHuman
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:18 PM
@horhay You're able to build local numbers with your social media?
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So far I’ve been getting into local leftist chat rooms
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horhay
So far I’ve been getting into local leftist chat rooms
based
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:20 PM
I was waiting for more graphic design people, but I'll post some notes:
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setting up a graphic design team usbt has volunteered to set up a Graphic Design Team. IITONE is another graphic designer who I’d like to work on branding. I’m also trying to get AllegedlyHuman for marketing help. Kattt has created an Iron Front propaganda Discord: https://discord.gg/t7ta8h5b. social media as a way to get more people We’ve had trouble getting more local people for each place. We’re getting people through the subreddit, flyering, the website, and through word of mouth. Some people are having success finding others through social media, so I’d like to encourage people to start social media accounts (many seem to prefer Instagram) in order to net local people. You should be able to refer to horhay (British Columbia) about how to manage it. If you want a social media account but don’t want to manage it, that may be doable too, we may be able to have someone else manage it remotely. Also, if you are part of any network or group, if you find it safe to do so, please share your network information with us. Having a more interconnected network is able to absorb more people in more places for in-person action. CryptPad has encrypted collaborative docs If you’d like to collaborate on projects, CryptPad (https://cryptpad.fr/) offers collaborative docs of various types (word processor, spreadsheet, presentation slides, whiteboard, kanban project management). You can also upload non-collaborative files and folders to share. Each document or file can be given a password to restrict access. CryptPad seems to have intermittent trouble working on Google Chrome in conjunction with VPNs. You can avoid disruption by either disabling your VPN or using a different browser. If you do end up creating new online docs and spaces, if you want to share them then I’d like to have their links so that I can redirect people to them.
Discord is the easiest way to talk over voice, video, and text. Talk, chat, hang out, and stay close with your friends and communities.
CryptPad: end-to-end encrypted collaboration suite
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@Kattt How goes things so far?
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@Kattt I'd definitely like to get your network info/contacts.
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Probably a mailing list :/
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:23 PM
you want a range of information disbursement
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:24 PM
google, I believe?
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maybe
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but social media is probably a good option as well
1:24 PM
You want to send info out or get everyone discussing?
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infanticide
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:25 PM
social media might be better to keep everything more decentralized?
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:26 PM
No, that's exactly it
1:26 PM
I'm able to bring people together by talking with everyone (edited)
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@horhay I want to get your network contacts so that we can make this network more resilient.
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1:27 PM
What about PF?
1:28 PM
great
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@a679591 Similarly, I want to get your network contacts. This'll interweave everyone.
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@a679591 ^^^^^^
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Anyone with anything else?
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And, let's talk afterwards if you have a moment.
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Or later if you want
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Alright to adjourn meeting?
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:33 PM
ok
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:33 PM
Alright, meeting adjourned. Thank you for coming!
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Allegedly Human 3/19/2023 1:33 PM
thanks for having us!
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Skullmaggot 3/19/2023 1:33 PM
bye
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 11:59 AM
Hiya, zim
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How have things been going?
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:08 PM
@Spinner Hiya, Spinner, didn't hear you drop in.
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Hey there, just gonna lurk as I do my Solar certification course.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:10 PM
Like, for installing solar energy? Are you in class right now, lol?
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Skullmaggot
Like, for installing solar energy? Are you in class right now, lol?
It's an online course through Solar Energy International... I already have my "Grid Connected" certification, this class is for Off Grid/Battery systems.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:13 PM
Nice. This is for mutual aid efforts as well or for something more personal?
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90% of it I already knew because of my research/training to design sustainable communities, but I wanted the paper that says I know.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:13 PM
right right
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Nice. This is for mutual aid efforts as well or for something more personal?
Both... if I can make money designing systems for people, I can use my spare time still working on building the collectives I want to see.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:18 PM
Actually for the first topic on the list, fundraising, I was hoping to brainstorm since I don't know it. I was speaking with Felony (tax expert) the other day in case there would be any pitfalls for fundraising as well as with LessthanLoneWolf, who has an Amazon wish list of medical supplies put together. It's handy to list what people want to put money towards, but I'm unsure about sources of funding as well, and I'm hesitant to arrange anything since I don't want to personally have paper trails. That may not be a worry right now, but this depends on the skeleton of what we can set up.
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@RebelKitty Hello! A new face!
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O hi :3
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:20 PM
I see you've already been connecting with floppunism. There's also bat'koMakhno in the north.
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I'm usually muted since I'm keeping my involvement secret from my parents in the other room who can overhear me.
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But feel free to talk.
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Fair 😹
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Tough topic. Tons of pitfalls not even related to government. Lots of questions to answer that almost all have a risk of discord between members. 1: Who manages money coming in? 2: Who works on doing the actual fundraising? 3: How is money stored that is received through fundraising? 4: Who distributes the money? 5: Who is authorized to get those distributions? 6: What are allowable uses of that money? 7: How is money distributed?
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:22 PM
Hiya Ian H.!
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Actually no, I'm in my thirties. I'm just disabled and rely on my parents for care :/.
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I'm doing better over the years but my illness has sucked.
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Right
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Skullmaggot
Actually no, I'm in my thirties. I'm just disabled and rely on my parents for care :/.
Oof, that sucks.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:25 PM
Right, yeah, I was hoping for a donation model
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Open chat
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He knows
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Right
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Things will probably be local though
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dog!
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I agree separating funds by locality might be more equitable and less likely to cause fights between groups.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:27 PM
no, you're perfect now
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hmmmmmmm
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Ooh, 10% cost of business fee to the boss πŸ˜› Seems honestly pretty reasonable and rewards individual groups that raise a lot.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:29 PM
What about setting up a patreon and membership dues?
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:30 PM
What we can do is also ask existing orgs for advice. Right now, I'm trying to poke into Virginia's contacts to see if we can glomp onto a network. They'll have some more expertise.
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joe hill’s revenge
What about setting up a patreon and membership dues?
Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:30 PM
I was hoping to do a free model with donations. No paid membership. I want to keep things as accessible as possible, but we can definitely discuss this more.
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yeahhhhh
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Hmm, I guess it starts with what we need money for. Med supplies and what else?
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hmm hmm
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heh
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:32 PM
Spending money is easy
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Federal land for training ftw
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:32 PM
I don't have them in my head, so I'll need help on ideas, lol
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Give me lists!
12:33 PM
cost benefit analysis?
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Sure, and we can discuss in meetings and out of meetings over what to prioritize.
12:34 PM
Yep, sticky subjects and processes
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@AvoidOblivion Hiya. Talking about fundraising.
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 12:35 PM
Hello. I can listen in.
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I see needing money for potentially: 1. bail fees 2. Lawyer retainer 3. insurances for carrying/self defense 4. licensed trainers or paying for courses to make them 5. fees for sudden medical emergencies/illness 6. Transportation to major collective events 7. Marketing/promotion
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:36 PM
@Spinner Please do, let's start with something crappy/incomplete and then iterate.
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I see needing money for potentially: 1. bail fees 2. Lawyer retainer 3. insurances for carrying/self defense 4. licensed trainers or paying for courses to make them 5. fees for sudden medical emergencies/illness 6. Transportation to major collective events 7. Marketing/promotion
Much of this would fit in a new "underground railroad".
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:37 PM
austinwiltshire suggests using agile methods, not necessarily planning big but starting small and incomplete and then iterating upon the process. It shouldn't be perfect from the start but a rough draft. (edited)
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@joe hill’s revenge We can start small and make mistakes and adjust to incorporate others' input.
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yep yep
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that'd be thousands of dollars :/
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Starter pack is kind of a cool idea imo. Leans a lil into memes but could have all kinds of interesting stuff.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:40 PM
What we could do--taking inspiration from the Amazon wish list--is to make a list of things and see who wants to donate to what thing. Go with where the funding leads, I guess.
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That needs a salary (edited)
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Hiya floppunism
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@joe hill’s revenge IITONE's got sticker stuff, I believe
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Bet that somewhere like Office Depot would print stickers in bulk. Xerox and such.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:43 PM
@joe hill’s revenge I made a proposal
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see above
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 12:43 PM
hiya
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:43 PM
"What we could do--taking inspiration from the Amazon wish list--is to make a list of things and see who wants to donate to what thing. Go with where the funding leads, I guess."
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yeah
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as inspiration
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that would mean people can choose what to put money towards
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for packaging like you were talking about
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In general, packaging will need motivating, I think
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Yeah, we can at least do separate items in bulk
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:////
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I had brought up the idea of speaking with OffColorDecals to make a starter kit for us, but I think that would sink us thousands of dollars of startup costs.
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hehe
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It's a cycle
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so start with something small and crappy and then iterate: agile methods
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Start with something partial
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 12:46 PM
there are websites that can print stickers in bulk for surprisingly low cost
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i got ~200 2 inch stickers for $27
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
there are websites that can print stickers in bulk for surprisingly low cost
Want to avoid anything overseas or corporate.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 12:46 PM
they’re tiny but they’re good
12:47 PM
yeah
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:47 PM
Yes, the problem is packaging and distribution.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 12:47 PM
ahh
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:47 PM
And motivating the packager.
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sounds alright
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 12:48 PM
distribution would also possibly be an issue with OPSEC
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:48 PM
PO boxes are anonymous, I think.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
distribution would also possibly be an issue with OPSEC
That's why the idea of using Amazon as an intermediary, anyone can have Amazon shipped to a UPS drop box.
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Our biggest chapters could use meet ups and mailing as volunteer work. Might be easier to control inventory that way.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:48 PM
PO Boxes and ups dropsites
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:50 PM
hehehe, PO boxes aren't free either
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And while I have no doubt Amazon would give us up in a heartbeat to any LEO... we just register our vendor status with as much anonymity as possible or if that's impossible then using someone as the name on it who is willing to take the fall if shit hits the fan.
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You can still use old fashioned USPS public mailboxes, but it'd be most efficient to just take bulk orders to like a postal annex.
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General Delivery still works in most places. But places like where I am most General Delivery mail gets lost.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:51 PM
I think that big thing is time; state and local governments in red areas are going to make β€œAntifa” illegal sooner or later
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:52 PM
I think we can probably spend way too much time thinking about this. Probably make another channel to keep a discussion running.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:52 PM
So we have to make hay while the sun shines
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 12:52 PM
well we're not antifa, we're the iron front ;)
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but yeah true
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it's close enough for 95% of cases
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:52 PM
Not the quotation marks
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 12:52 PM
mhm
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:53 PM
They can’t define Antifa it’s s catch all charge like most gang/terrorism tags
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 12:53 PM
Anyone against the Right will be viewed as antifa fascist communists.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:53 PM
What I have is 1) make lists of what we need, 2) set up anonymous distribution, 3) packaging can be volunteering?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 12:54 PM
iirc there's a california case which could potentially set a precedent for prosecuting antifascists as gang members instead of independent people
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If I take a bunch of boxes to a local independent UPS shop and use a Visa gift card how would anyone know? Super cheap too.
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If I take a bunch of boxes to a local independent UPS shop and use a Visa gift card how would anyone know? Super cheap too.
The issue would be the legal names on the Amazon digital side./
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:55 PM
Haaaaa, I've probably listed too many big topics for the meeting πŸ™‚
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hehehe
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yep yep, probably safer even with more barriers/steps of being removed
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Someone with the design can print these themselves on raw sticker sheets at a local print shop, then use above to send it. It seems to me if you can control the printing reasonably it'd be easy to mail anonymously.
12:57 PM
Drug dealers have been doing this forever, lol
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:58 PM
I don't want to set up anyone as fall guys
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:58 PM
Should probably talk to a lawyer
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joe hill’s revenge
Should probably talk to a lawyer
Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:58 PM
Felony, for starters
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Hence legal retainer fees are high on my list, lol
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 12:58 PM
Before we go forward
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 12:59 PM
of course
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topic way too big
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yeah yeah
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lol
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I've got notes to go further on
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Will make channel
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prolly adapt the #accountants channel
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Or make an encrypted chat
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So, let's share each other's vetting processes
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:02 PM
btw spinner, you've gotta pay the dog tax
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:02 PM
to see if others agree with it
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
btw spinner, you've gotta pay the dog tax
AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:02 PM
Seconded.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:02 PM
Yep, I want to collect what Virginia is doing
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right
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:06 PM
I'll just post my notes of what I wanted to cover.
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Since we'll be short on time.
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unifying ideology We’ve had difficulty in the past with trying to both be big-tent and getting energized by a unifying ideology. I believe the main trouble has been over economic policies. Every idea and ideology has a gem inside it that fundamentally resonates with everybody, the problem is to uncover that gem. I spoke with a679591 a couple weeks ago, and we came up with the question β€œWhat kind of world do you want?” and the answer β€œI want a world where people aren’t afraid to be themselves. I want to discuss what guides us, what we must do, and why we must do them. marketing help We’ve been having a small crisis in the background where a previously primary source of new people, the subreddit, is likely drying up in 6-12 months since everyone who has wanted to join from there has already joined. Growing constantly keeps people happy and involved, and not growing can leave to stress and people leaving. Thankfully, we’ve also been getting more and more people through flyering, networking at protests, and through word of mouth. But, in order to not have the constant threat of collapse we need to be self-sufficient and in control of our growth. We need to evolve and get our shit together :/. We need marketing expertise to be able to reach new audiences, but we haven’t yet been able to convert marketing experts into resources who can educate us. I want to then discuss other options and other ideas for being able to promote ourselves and expand our reach.
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networking I’d want some people for networking. I’d want to make local contacts with DSA, Food Not Bombs, Trans Radical Activist Network, John Brown Gun Club, student orgs, and student newspapers. new chapters?? Congratulations to Northern Virginia for their rapid achievements. It is my opinion that N Virginia is a new de facto chapter. I will get their vetting procedures and see if they can be zippered up with existing chapters. N Virginia was able to expand rapidly through flyering colleges, running social media, and networking at protests. They also had initial connections with other orgs and paid attention to local protests. New Jersey is also expressing chapterhood. I want to work on vetting procedures, social media, and being on the lookout for local events.
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We'll be short on time, so just posting some info.
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lol
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:09 PM
i think when it comes to size, we should start to focus less on size and more on intensity and density
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:10 PM
oh wonderful
1:11 PM
yeah, the rate of conversion is about 1/10th
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:12 PM
I do think having core, determined members that stay for a long time through stuff are more valuable than 10 million.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:12 PM
Having infrastructure to meet their desires
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People want to plug and play
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:12 PM
2 people doing things that get attention and definitive action are more effective than 100 people doing things that only catch a passing glance
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quality almost always wins over quantity
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brb, gotta help my dad rq. give me 5 minutes
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:13 PM
People come in with ideas that they want to immediately implement, but there has to be already a team of people to receive them.
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Oliphaunt may do apps (edited)
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:14 PM
cough VR community cough
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:14 PM
Dropping firebombs onto Nazi buildings would be fun.
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cough VR community cough
Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:14 PM
heh, if you want to encourage them
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:15 PM
I play VR but know the bare minimum about coding.
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:16 PM
Quest 2s are like $350. It's basically multi-player sandbox Unity engine and it's amazing what people do. Trained with real Bundeswehr paras as adorable waifus 😹
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Milsim is a big thing in VR
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:18 PM
Not many Americans know a lot, or even of, the Spanish Civil War. This would be a good opportunity to spread knowledge of it.
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:18 PM
Arma 3 mod pretty dope idea. Imo making a world and avatars within VR social games would take similar small efforts vs. A whole new app. (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:18 PM
Do you think gamification of how we do things is worthwhile?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:18 PM
I love playing VR but my headset just ate shit and only works on 20%-90% battery for some reason
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look at what the US army did
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they made an FPS
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
they made an FPS
AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:19 PM
It is not that good, but it worked some.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:19 PM
hmm hmm
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:19 PM
mhm
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the thing is just that making a game takes forever
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:19 PM
It was reskinned Arma though true story
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It was reskinned Arma though true story
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:20 PM
nah nah, that was an in-house game. they made an FPS as a recruitment tool iirc, think it was called America's Army
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:20 PM
Yeah, yeah, this is just a public meeting I'm hosting. Feel free to schedule whatever you want or just drop in the Lounge.
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Prolly have a fundraising discussion this week
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
nah nah, that was an in-house game. they made an FPS as a recruitment tool iirc, think it was called America's Army
RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:20 PM
Haha, I know but it used Arma as the core. Arma was chill about licensing because it was an engine like Unreal. (Unreal Tournament).
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:20 PM
ahh
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:21 PM
They don’t have to
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:21 PM
do you have a husky or something? lmao
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ahhh
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:21 PM
Cause the fps genre is Americas army
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:22 PM
gonna need photographic evidence of how adorable he is
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:22 PM
My point is modding and dev in already existing games is way more feasible and gets plenty of exposure.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
the thing is just that making a game takes forever
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:22 PM
I've been using a report card template this week, paying attention to what regions have that go towards their groups' health/self-sufficiency. I've been thinking they're hokey. I was originally making them to instantly communicate what groups have going, but I guess I would need feedback.
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That is a dog!
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:22 PM
Yes, more than adorable.
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:23 PM
This is a diverging conversation I feel like but a cool one 😹 The point is we can get out there using pretty crafty means Boomer feds are confounded by.
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This is a diverging conversation I feel like but a cool one 😹 The point is we can get out there using pretty crafty means Boomer feds are confounded by.
Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:24 PM
I guess there's specific appeals and broad appeals to be utilized.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:25 PM
Who we want to recruit is tied to our ideology
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Right?
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:26 PM
I say recruiting through direct actions will get those people most aligned with ourselves. People who are willing to get mud on the boots to actually do a thing.
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Community service, range time, marketing those efforts online, showing up to actual protests, etc.
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I say recruiting through direct actions will get those people most aligned with ourselves. People who are willing to get mud on the boots to actually do a thing.
Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:27 PM
People often start off alone and without a network. They should probably go to protests and rallies and get networked. Go where the people are, simply.
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yes
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it's difficult to start up
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:29 PM
i was one of those people until a few months ago until i found this
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:29 PM
As far as broad accessibility I think having a decent Discord already puts this way above other groups. We have gold here already if we know as a fully formed identity how to use it.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:29 PM
someone at the PSL (i know ew) protest a few weeks ago said that we aren't outnumbered, but we're out-organized
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:29 PM
One idea I had was to set up a workers club; to discuss job hunting, keeping jobs, and career development
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:29 PM
We can probably also link people to websites of the aforementioned DSA, Food Not Bombs, Trans Radical Activist Network, John Brown Gun Club, student orgs, and student newspapers
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Find friends fast
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:29 PM
i'm actually going to the boise mutual aid distro tomorrow to try and network with some of them
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:30 PM
That's what I'd want with networkers
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:30 PM
yeah, fair
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:30 PM
Also I have to leave in 15 minutes I have stuff to do before work
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joe hill’s revenge
Also I have to leave in 15 minutes I have stuff to do before work
Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:30 PM
k
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Aren't they calling for civil war right now?
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:31 PM
They are passing laws in red states
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They r integrating into the state rn; and preparing for trump to be arrested
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:31 PM
@Xulf Hi, Xulff.
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hows all?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:32 PM
good!
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:32 PM
Too ambitious
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:32 PM
lol
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:33 PM
to validate them
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:33 PM
i think one thing we should work on is predicting fascist action and planning against it. trying to infiltrate their communications and mapping out their future actions
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:33 PM
No cap we all know they just want to marry their sisters without going to jail
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Half joking, lol
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:34 PM
lmao
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and rebelkitty!
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i think one thing we should work on is predicting fascist action and planning against it. trying to infiltrate their communications and mapping out their future actions
Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:35 PM
@Spinner Is this something Trans Activist Network does?
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:36 PM
Didn't consider this before but one thing we could fund as a group are relocations of threatened minorities fleeing fash policies.
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What is the current convo about?
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:36 PM
Yes, we need to share how we're vetting people
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:36 PM
so basically, creating a network where we can all bug out and get together where we can actually create a proper community and defend it
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:36 PM
Or even just help by doing the moving, lol
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:37 PM
The Jane Collective or Jane, officially known as the Abortion Counseling Service of Women's Liberation, was an underground service in Chicago, Illinois affiliated with the Chicago Women's Liberation Union that operated from 1969 to 1973, a time when abortion was illegal in most of the United States. The foundation of the organization was laid wh...
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:39 PM
Quite literal underground railroad then, lol
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:40 PM
if we can all get together we can at least defend ourselves, if not go out and defend others
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:40 PM
I'm typing up a list of Point Persons
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:40 PM
when we're divided like this we're easy to pick off
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:40 PM
Collective prepperism
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:41 PM
lmao
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:41 PM
In the mid 70s millions of Americans lived on communal farms
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:42 PM
I like where this went tbh. That's a pretty reasonable and within law scope, but has long term political, economic, cultural, etc. benefits
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:42 PM
i think another thing we should focus on, like i said earlier, is improving the "density" and intensity of this group
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joe hill’s revenge 4/2/2023 1:44 PM
So what I’m hearing is we need a fleet of moving vans
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:44 PM
I believe the word is "battlewagon" :*3
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:44 PM
Battlewagon is correct. And fun to drive.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:45 PM
puts a bit too much faith that the city council has any gravitas
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yeah, it's better than nothing
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it's just hit or miss
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 1:46 PM
"Political recon" lol
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YPG believes in kicking raw ass
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:49 PM
There's a basic network
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this?
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k
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copy this, I can delete it
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Know these people
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alright to delete?
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:51 PM
I will be moving to Asheville in a few months. I can get into contact with more people out there and try to recruit more.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:51 PM
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:51 PM
College campuses are great locations, and UNC Asheville is very left-wing.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:52 PM
Network at protests/events
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 1:52 PM
networking should be our primary step rn imo
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the fash are laying low so it gives us a little bit less work
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 1:53 PM
Relating to coding, we had someone introduce themselves in #introductions earlier who has experience with computer science.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 1:53 PM
Yeah, we'll be continuously developing things over weeks
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Takes about a month to get anything done
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bye
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 2:01 PM
I do code stuff of all kinds too. Web or desktop.
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AvoidOblivion 4/2/2023 2:12 PM
I have to get going now. I enjoyed listening in. I took some notes about what I can do to help out more in the long-run. Good talk.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 2:12 PM
seeya
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 2:15 PM
People have different goals
2:16 PM
sounds good tho
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 2:16 PM
one thing is that not many people probably realize how antifascism isn't just a thing to do, but it's a lifestyle
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like spinner said, it's really a full-time job
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 2:16 PM
hiya
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I'm tired πŸ˜„
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 2:17 PM
blackout just hit
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 2:18 PM
Power issues?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 2:18 PM
yeah power issue, it was just a lapse
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restarting computer rn
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 2:18 PM
Been a few of those here recently and across the US. Sus.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 2:18 PM
So, Spinner, what's your community network?
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What work are you able to get out of them towards organizing AIF, I guess I want to know
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hmm
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yeah
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what do you need for a template for communal housing
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okay, I'll put out a call on the subreddit at least
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@Spinner Oh, also, 6L3THAL is getting a good network going, so I'd advise checking with her if there's an architect around.
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Felony does taxes/bookkeeping (edited)
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That's pretty darn good already
2:26 PM
I think I'll need to head out soon.
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@Spinner For the underground, are you being contacted for that service?
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/2/2023 2:29 PM
indigenous communities in America are very small and disunited compared to Canadian ones iirc, and that's by design
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i'll brb
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 2:30 PM
I have no real rapport with their larger communities/tribes :< I even do work at tribal schools but it's uncomfortable to try and engage them on politics being a complete random white (and trans) person.
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Skullmaggot 4/2/2023 2:30 PM
I think I'll head out. Thanks everyone!
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RebelKitty 4/2/2023 2:33 PM
It feels way out of my lane, albeit if by direct action I met them in person I bet we'd connect on a lot of things. The tribe gov't is very much friendly with the state though like was mentioned.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
there are websites that can print stickers in bulk for surprisingly low cost
Skullmaggot 4/3/2023 1:20 AM
Could I get links to those websites? Are they custom stickers?
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
i'm actually going to the boise mutual aid distro tomorrow to try and network with some of them
Skullmaggot 4/3/2023 2:04 AM
If you network, I'd like to collect network contacts.
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
i think another thing we should focus on, like i said earlier, is improving the "density" and intensity of this group
Skullmaggot 4/3/2023 2:13 AM
Also, let's talk more about your ideas for density and intensity. What are you thinking?
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Could I get links to those websites? Are they custom stickers?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 9:06 AM
https://stickerapp.com Is what I use, they’re very custom lol
Make your own custom stickers, labels, and decals from $10. Express delivery as fast as 4 days. Get an instant proof and free shipping!
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daunting amounts of customizability
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Skullmaggot
If you network, I'd like to collect network contacts.
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 9:31 AM
I’ll be sure to get you those
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Skullmaggot
Also, let's talk more about your ideas for density and intensity. What are you thinking?
floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/3/2023 9:34 AM
Really, anything that gets us closer as a group. We should start, I think, by pruning those who are totally inactive, maybe after an @everyone to grab the attention of those who do want to stay. Then, we can work on growing tighter as a community so that people are more encouraged and convicted in their personal fights against fascism. I know that’s painfully nonspecific, so Ill try to find better words and ways to get what I want throughout the day.
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I mainly want this group to have a stronger push on people to get out and there and passionately fight fascism, instead of sitting behind a computer and browsing twitter for fascists. That’s useful too, of course, I’m not trying to invalidate it, but there are more decisive things that can be done.
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I’m afraid this could create hierarchy, but creating a smaller group of thoroughly vetted folks would probably help this a lot, we just need to figure out a process for that.
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We did kinda cover that a bit in the meeting, but only in passing
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
We did kinda cover that a bit in the meeting, but only in passing
Skullmaggot 4/3/2023 10:08 PM
Understood. I was going to make more or less a flow chart for what to do depending on where you are, but a process is better when there are people along the way to help people. Over the last few months, we haven’t had a specific path in mind towards involvement, but I was able to watch what 6L3THAL has been doing and I’ll try to replicate her group’s success. I’ll get back to you later, maybe later this week. I’ll want some feedback.
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 11:59 AM
Hello! That was pretty quick! How is everybody?
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good hbu?
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Alright
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:00 PM
Fretful. I'm worried about marketing since the reddit has been decreasing as a source of new people, lol.
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:00 PM
Might want to consider branching out to other sources
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hopefully once the zine gets running it could be a source of recruitment
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:00 PM
We gotta
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hopefully once the zine gets running it could be a source of recruitment
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:01 PM
that too. I wanted to ask about how the zine's been doing.
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People are free to use voice, I'm just muted to not be overheard by my family.
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that too. I wanted to ask about how the zine's been doing.
I'm working on an article about the third reconstruction rn. Ian is working on a piece about the Trump trial and we've been drafting it
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hoping on having the first issue complete by the end of the month. Could always use more editors and writers if anyone else is interested in helping (edited)
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hoping on having the first issue complete by the end of the month. Could always use more editors and writers if anyone else is interested in helping (edited)
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:04 PM
Maybe try DeviltheAutoPoet? They seem to want to write a lot, and candidecoating is with Mississippi State University and is interested in the zine.
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I'll reach out to them both, thx
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:05 PM
Is the main focus recruitment at the moment?
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OPRacoon
I'll reach out to them both, thx
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:05 PM
I haven't asked DeviltheAutoPoet about anything yet, though.
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should I hold off reaching out to them then? (edited)
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Micah Thomas 4/16/2023 12:06 PM
hey everybody!
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Blahaj Blaster
Is the main focus recruitment at the moment?
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:06 PM
Pretty much. We're still at a stage where things can easily roll backwards. We need to be growth-conscious and to get people connected with others on the ground so that the group can keep functioning.
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should I hold off reaching out to them then? (edited)
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:06 PM
Nah, you can try, just be aware that I don't know their interests, I've just been reading their posts and ideas.
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got it
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Pretty much. We're still at a stage where things can easily roll backwards. We need to be growth-conscious and to get people connected with others on the ground so that the group can keep functioning.
hence the mutual aid we're planning on discussing?
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:07 PM
@Braakinthesaddle How's it going? I've got a short list of people connected with mutual aid:
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people who either do or are connected with mutual aid: -Colorado; Spinner, they are looking for an architect for housing -Colorado; egaleagle, is also part of the Soup and Rifles SRA there who do mutual aid -Florida; Abi -Idaho; floppunism -Indiana; JohnBrosGhost, AIF -Indiana; rayne.brown -Massachusetts; Massachusetts people (try OkraMonk) -Massachusetts; LessthanLoneWolf, Stop the Bleed, mutual aid -Massachusetts; Tsunamix -Mississippi; candidecoating, Mississippi State University -New York; Eightman, has connections who do mutual aid -Virginia; Virginia people (try usbt) likely do mutual aid -British Columbia; horhay, has anarchist connections? -Ontario, AVector II morrOW, tenants group, mutual aid
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Wow, congrats!!
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kk
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-Arizona; Braakinthesaddle
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-New Hampshire; Oliphaunt, Guardian
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So what are people's mutual aid projects?
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rq is braakininthesaddle talking? I can't hear them but I see the box lighting up
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:11 PM
I'm good
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:11 PM
I can hear you
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rq is braakininthesaddle talking? I can't hear them but I see the box lighting up
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:11 PM
Braak is talking, yes
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You talking about the Atlanta Forest Defenders pushing back against the cop city construction or other stuff?
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rq is braakininthesaddle talking? I can't hear them but I see the box lighting up
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:12 PM
I'm taking notes too
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hey Ian H.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 12:14 PM
Hi
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Is anyone talking?
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:15 PM
I guess, how do you set up a mutual aid network, lol? What can you help each other with? Funding?
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I'm a mutual aid noob
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joe hill’s revenge
Is anyone talking?
only braak and i so far
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:15 PM
Probably as a larger network since we may be able to set something up.
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right right
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Guardian? Didn't hear?
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kk
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yep yep
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The movement for mutual aid during disasters isn't something we invented. But we are trying to act as a swiss-army knife for this growing movement of movements, as it becomes more and more critical for our collective survival. One way we are supporting and uplifting this tactic, and the larger autonomous disaster relief movement, of
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I can go around to get more details about what people are doing, I'll prolly need help on "inventory."
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Who's connected with their communities? Crawl Walk Run
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on it
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@OPRacoon Yeah, and I guess Food Not Bombs
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and DSAs, etc.
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@OPRacoon connect with WojtektheBear, OkraMonk, and LessthanLoneWolf
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I guess going onto networking?
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networking+links I’m going to be contacting student orgs at universities, DSAs/YDSAs, Food Not Bombs groups from their map (https://foodnotbombs.net/info/locations/), the National Lawyers Guild (https://www.nlg.org/massdefenseprogram/), and mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/ as ways to get into national networks to connect people to the ground. We’ve been having trouble with what is essentially a backwards top-down approach by having people online look for local networks, whereas most antifascist and anarchist groups are built from the bottom-up. Our network is growing, but we need to identify people who are essentially attending protests or meeting up so that we have people who are on the ground that we can join. I believe the Virginia chapter has connections that will eventually come to fruition. You can also network by attending protests and events. There may be protest calendars local to your area. Below is a snippet of links I’m trying to compile: Arizona https://www.instagram.com/phoenix_dsa/?hl=en California: https://www.indybay.org/calendar/ https://www.actiontogetherbayarea.org/calendar https://occupyoakland.org/calendar/ Colorado https://www.facebook.com/ColoradoActivistEvents/ https://www.cpr.org/news/ https://lgbtqcolorado.org/events/ National: https://www.womensmarch.com/ https://itsgoingdown.org/upcomingevents/ https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/in-the-news/ https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/co-conspirators/?doing_wp_cron=1681660478.1074678897857666015625 Nice little handbook that came out: https://spencersunshine.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/40ways.online.2020.pdf https://spencersunshine.com/2020/08/27/fortyways/
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you cut out?
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you cut out?
when?
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:29 PM
mentioning stuff about socialist alternative
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and AIF
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oh I just said that I had attended a public SA meeting a few months ago and I thought it would be great to network with them
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:31 PM
needs to be $25, lol
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cutting out
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couldn't hear
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Braak
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Braakinthesaddle 4/16/2023 12:33 PM
Shit. My house is kind of a dead zone
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:33 PM
yes
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Once bit, twice shy. Happens
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:35 PM
How do they go to shit?
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wow
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What do you need for it?
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:39 PM
I'm located in Texas if we need people here for the trans group
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I've been seeing a lot of trans people on my ig feed getting kicked out of their homes/fired/can't afford rent and becoming homeless and posting their paypals on their personal ig for help, im wondering if its possible we could find a formalized way to connect them to help without relying on gofundme type of charity (edited)
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Safe house infrastructure is also important
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:41 PM
@Braakinthesaddle I'll get a list from you
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Abotu what's needed for an underground railroad
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All the information you need to be informed on DIY Hormone Replacement Therapy
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Safe house infrastructure is also important
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:44 PM
should I put you down for mutual aid? What state/region are you in? (can be as vague as you need it to be)
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:45 PM
r/transdiy is a good reddit source
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:46 PM
on where? The reddit or elsewhere?
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Hmm, who has access to that? Krat?
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he is
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We oughta get updated QR codes
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joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 12:47 PM
Do you think it would be possible to organize a convention for aif to formalize the org? Maybe in 6 months
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:47 PM
k bye!!
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Micah Thomas 4/16/2023 12:48 PM
thanks a bunch :))
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joe hill’s revenge
Do you think it would be possible to organize a convention for aif to formalize the org? Maybe in 6 months
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:48 PM
Could you explain that further? We can talk later, too
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Micah Thomas 4/16/2023 12:48 PM
i can hang for a bit
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:49 PM
Yeah, that's a good idea
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joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 12:49 PM
Yes
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should I put you down for mutual aid? What state/region are you in? (can be as vague as you need it to be)
My home state is Nevada, however, can’t do a lot at the moment. Been living abroad but I keep in contact with a few orgs.
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:49 PM
yeah, prolly need to build up local stuff first :/
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My home state is Nevada, however, can’t do a lot at the moment. Been living abroad but I keep in contact with a few orgs.
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:49 PM
gotcha
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:50 PM
Maybe local and niche meetings?
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:50 PM
yeaaaaah
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:50 PM
Like do a meeting specifically for the trans underground railroad and one specifically for mutual aid
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:50 PM
I don't think we have the pull yet
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So, another goal is to get a headquarters for each state. (edited)
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I don't think we have the pull yet
i agree
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:51 PM
physical locations
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@RebelKitty hiya
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So, another goal is to get a headquarters for each state. (edited)
I have a venue in mind for mass, idk if other mass people are already doing stuff there tho
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I have a venue in mind for mass, idk if other mass people are already doing stuff there tho
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:52 PM
Share it with Massachusetts people πŸ™‚
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We could split meetings. Do Mutual Aid Mondays or something.
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Howdy y'all :3
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wassup
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Living the dream :3
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:54 PM
yeah, Graphic Design meeting Tuesday
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seminar?
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:54 PM
I like the mutual aid Monday idea
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:55 PM
That's all good stuff
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 12:55 PM
We do trans guns tuesday on r/transguns and I think it helps build user interaction
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:55 PM
Wheatpasting may be good for the graphic design people
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I did a presentation about hunting and could do stuff on food prep. Also radio and basic comms. Lots of random skills.
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:56 PM
we can get an online calendar going
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joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 12:56 PM
I’ll message both rebel and oliphant
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 12:56 PM
I'll see to a larger calendar
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Ian H., I guess. What happened to GreaverBlade?
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GreaverBlade is still on the server
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CryptPad: make an account, make docs, upload docs...I don't know yet if we can make shared folders.
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yeeeeah
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we could do a mailing list
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need local groups
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be aware of sharing PII
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@joe hill’s revenge I'll see what sort of calendar we can do and will speak with people
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@OPRacoon Who? I didn't hear.
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Poor People's Campaign
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:04 PM
oh okay
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Try Element, I guess
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:05 PM
@RebelKitty mentioned matrix to me before iirc And people seem to like signal for one on one stuff
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@RebelKitty mentioned matrix to me before iirc And people seem to like signal for one on one stuff
Exactly
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:06 PM
kk
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whatsapp has end to end encryption, could be useful for hyper-localized groups
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:07 PM
The more secure it is the worse it is for recruitment
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i think whatsapp is a good bridge between security and user friendliness
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Why I feel like you balance things with more of an open, accessible forum and at least among the inner folks use something with more security.
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i think whatsapp is a good bridge between security and user friendliness
FB though and uses phone numbers
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joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 1:08 PM
We should be careful about isolating ourselves
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FB though and uses phone numbers
shit when did they get bought out?
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shit when did they get bought out?
2014 I believe
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bruh
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joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 1:09 PM
@Skullmaggot what do you think about creating an allied server channel?
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A lot of servers have that
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do we have allied servers? This is the only serious leftist movement I know of that has a discord
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joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 1:10 PM
Well at least coalition for common defense right?
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do we have allied servers? This is the only serious leftist movement I know of that has a discord
Queer folks just started up a new Discord :3 Still early stages but there seems to be a solid group.
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Well at least coalition for common defense right?
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:11 PM
I thought we had a falling out?
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Though, we can list allied servers, yes
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I thought we had a falling out?
joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 1:11 PM
Idk that’s why I’m saying we should have an allied server
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Queer folks just started up a new Discord :3 Still early stages but there seems to be a solid group.
Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:11 PM
We also just recently had a vote to open it up to other users
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joe hill’s revenge 4/16/2023 1:11 PM
I’ll also advertise aif in a few friendly servers
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I know
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Queer folks just started up a new Discord :3 Still early stages but there seems to be a solid group.
Think I've heard of them, if its who I'm thinking of they're a good group and we've done events with them before
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Think I've heard of them, if its who I'm thinking of they're a good group and we've done events with them before
Super new. More in response to the harassment of the transguns subreddit.
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joe hill’s revenge
Idk that’s why I’m saying we should have an allied server
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:12 PM
Okay, if you have a list of servers, we can list them
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Super new. More in response to the harassment of the transguns subreddit.
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:12 PM
Blahaj Blaster is active on r/transguns (edited)
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Think I've heard of them, if its who I'm thinking of they're a good group and we've done events with them before
Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:13 PM
I'd be interested in this though, our users may he interested
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Super new. More in response to the harassment of the transguns subreddit.
did they organize the community defense of the fall river drag show 2 months ago?
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did they organize the community defense of the fall river drag show 2 months ago?
Negative. We literally started up like a few weeks ago.
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Blahaj Blaster is active on r/transguns (edited)
Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:13 PM
One of the mods, but I don't run it
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damn nvm thinking of someone else. still interested in the org tho
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I think this one's got "legs" though, so to speak. Of the communities I've been in this seems to be extraordinarily constructive.
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One of the mods, but I don't run it
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:13 PM
haha, yeah, I edited myself
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I do have one last thing on the meeting schedule.
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over here
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marketing The reddit has been noticeably slowing as a source of new people, so we need to understand other marketing strategies. I want to take people’s suggestions over how to reach more audiences, and I’ll try to research this area as well.
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marketing The reddit has been noticeably slowing as a source of new people, so we need to understand other marketing strategies. I want to take people’s suggestions over how to reach more audiences, and I’ll try to research this area as well.
Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:15 PM
This, it seems like the sub is dying tbh
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:15 PM
marketing panel you said?
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marketing The reddit has been noticeably slowing as a source of new people, so we need to understand other marketing strategies. I want to take people’s suggestions over how to reach more audiences, and I’ll try to research this area as well.
I noticed the Reddit seems to be almost all news re-postings. Is it actually kosher to make like normal AIF hype posts?
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:15 PM
oh, not yet I don't think
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I noticed the Reddit seems to be almost all news re-postings. Is it actually kosher to make like normal AIF hype posts?
Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:16 PM
We could post to the AIF and cross to r/transguns
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We could post to the AIF and cross to r/transguns
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:16 PM
Thanks a bunch
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also to promote the sub its a good idea to crosspost things to bigger subreddits
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also to promote the sub its a good idea to crosspost things to bigger subreddits
Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:17 PM
The issue is a lot of bigger subs don't allow cross-post
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:18 PM
@OPRacoon Prolly start a club
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later!
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@OPRacoon Prolly start a club
been thinking of that but I'm also pretty inexperienced so I would need some guidance on how to do that
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:19 PM
Being able to bring in new people and grow is the lifeblood of people's enthusiasm.
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I've been wanting to organize mutual aid in my town but I'm by no means an expert in it
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if you know anyone thats good at organizing that could help me out please link us up
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:19 PM
@RebelKitty zine people are doing the opposite, and if you need info, we can talk more
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Have you joined up with zine people yet?
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What problems are you trying to solve?
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Writing a book on Twitter?
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lol
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:24 PM
Self confidence is a great way to avoid conflict
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:24 PM
Overall, I've been trying to address problems by trying to get people friends who are aligned with their mode of action.
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:24 PM
Having your head up makes you look like less of a target
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:24 PM
Maybe meetups?
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:25 PM
Meetups online?
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:25 PM
no, in person
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so that people are able to make local friends and be invested in one another
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:25 PM
100% Everyone needs someone local to them
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:26 PM
So, a thing is that more people party than do antifascist action. You can do things that are simply social but build your network.
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So, a thing is that more people party than do antifascist action. You can do things that are simply social but build your network.
agree. I've met a bunch of leftists at hardcore shows (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:27 PM
Need some events page, I'm coalescing protest and event calendars and stuff
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Hell, if you find people, chat 'em up!
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More or less. AIF had existed for a couple years already with local organization
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:28 PM
Even if it's small, crawl walk run
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:28 PM
heh
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I've been trying to make things as accessible as possible
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?
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I'm glad to hear that
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I'd want to get connections too
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That's the most important, to touch grass
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@RebelKitty Could I get all that info?
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:31 PM
Do we have any affiliation with jbgc?
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:31 PM
Knowing your area and your connections, if you're comfortable sharing that
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Do we have any affiliation with jbgc?
Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:32 PM
Yes, fromdefilade is St. Louis JBGC, and we're nominally in communication with another.
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:32 PM
I'm in between two jbgc groups but I've never really met any of that afaik
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:33 PM
Yeah, if you have any pages or groups to investigate, I'd like to collect that. I do cold calls and emails, so if you have lists, I'll contact people
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Would it be okay to adjourn? I'll head out.
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:34 PM
I'm fine with that
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Skullmaggot 4/16/2023 1:34 PM
Thanks for coming!
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See ya
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Blahaj Blaster 4/16/2023 1:36 PM
Thanks for the meeting @Skullmaggot
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I thought we had a falling out?
There was no falling out. Just some hurt butts from former members over nothing. We're all cool.
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There was no falling out. Just some hurt butts from former members over nothing. We're all cool.
Skullmaggot 4/19/2023 8:20 PM
Oh okay. Apologies, my mistake.
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Oh okay. Apologies, my mistake.
No biggy. Just wanted to clarify
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:07 PM
one second, my headphones were off!
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gave me a jumpscare
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my headphones were off
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hiya
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You know each other?
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kk
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@official Hiya, I don't think I've spoken with you yet? I'll check your intro.
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Thank you www.purplenoodlemarketing.com
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:14 PM
sure, that's probably good to do a when2meet, but it's also been a regular time that I can put in my schedule.
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Hiya RebelKitty
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Some weeks can be slower. Building off the last time though, I'd want to move forward with mutual aid, particularly arranging accounts for transferring money and making decisions about how this affects anonymity and things like taxes.
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Though, how has Progressive Victory been, Ian H.?
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gotta head out?
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@RebelKitty @official feel free to speak. I'm just muted.
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organizational needs, moving funds anonymously and tax-free/CashApp + gift tax limit (need some help to see if I got this right), protest/event calendars and where to find people
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hiya cyg
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kk
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What choices/decisions should we make?
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They're in here
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:20 PM
yup :/
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sure
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absolutely
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:21 PM
what location?
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just all over?
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I'd want to chat with them as much as I can with how to organize, lol
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Same
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:22 PM
Progressive Victory is a new kind of political community β€” built by the internet, for the internet. Our community is turning the tides in the 2024 election, with members making an impact in their local communities and in PV’s targeted states.
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:23 PM
right right
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If it's good it's worth noting regardless of politics
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:25 PM
What legal considerations are there?
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joe hill’s revenge 4/30/2023 12:26 PM
Progressive Victory is a new kind of political community β€” built by the internet, for the internet. Our community is turning the tides in the 2024 election, with members making an impact in their local communities and in PV’s targeted states.
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:27 PM
let me check
12:28 PM
no, can't pin in the open chat, sorry
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organizational needs, moving funds anonymously and tax-free/CashApp + gift tax limit (need some help to see if I got this right), protest/event calendars and where to find people
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I have made one on CryptPad
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Since it'd be free for everyone
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I have a simple free encrypted spreadsheet calendar made
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Yeah, it was crashing for me and others yesterday too
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I was looking for an encrypted option
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k, mods unfortunately have access to private info, so it has been something that we have to put past WojtektheBear and them first.
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I'll speak with the admins more
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great!
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joe hill’s revenge 4/30/2023 12:32 PM
Rebelkitty can help make music videos as well
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:33 PM
Who would the social media be affiliated with?
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Don't we already have a Instagram page for IFUSA?
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:33 PM
Usually people have pretty free reign over what they want to do.
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Agenda items on next meeting - discuss encrypted comms, encrypted email, opsec, org structure, fund raising,
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:34 PM
@NGNMGoon I'll help you out, so keep me posted
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I am a newer member who was going to put together an org like that and then found you warriors
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:35 PM
@RebelKitty We have some social media
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You have to put in the work
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:36 PM
A little somewhat. There are AIF who are not affiliated with our network, for instance. Things are loose. Most of the time we'd encourage people to move ahead without waiting for permission and then modify things afterwards.
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We're in a do-ocracy state
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So initiative is prioritized over doing it right, lol
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decentralization is the key these days
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:37 PM
can you type that word in the open chat?
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what kind of groups?
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White supremacy world wide.
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Omfg the name "Primeval Initiative" 😹 🀑
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:41 PM
Be aware that this is a public discord, just in case you need to protect your username/involvement
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Thank you
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:41 PM
validation for the wrong cause
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Yes, then gain trust
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most these days are on telegram
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I would love to be involved on reports
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:43 PM
I'd like that, probably over Element or Telegram
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We can do the report, then have ai rewrite it
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Maybe we need to make a list of all groups then give them threat levels. Its easy to infiltrate once we know the targets collectively
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Then we do oppo on all the groups, leadership and such
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:45 PM
My goal would be to learn how to do all these things, write up a process, and share it with others as a step-by-step guide for getting started in these areas.
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Love it! Hold on
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:47 PM
Could we do official first?
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excellent
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we need ai
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since ai will be used against us
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Ayyyee
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joe hill’s revenge 4/30/2023 12:50 PM
yup
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I'm on board the impending WWIII train
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:51 PM
that's where we have an advantage. We can get outside help.
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We're pretty small. I'd advise making connections with other groups as well.
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People are willing to work, but we have plenty of organizational problems. Things are hard to keep together
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I want some guidance from you since I'm just a graphic designer
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Ian H.'s away
12:53 PM
who dat??
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I'll post some basic stuff:
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organizational needs For an organization to maintain itself and function, it needs: -dissent; We need people who are going to provide push-back to avoid groupthink. This gets people involved in making decisions. Let’s hear some gripes. -informational exchange among sub-groups; Sub-groups should be in communication to make sure that they share some of the same pages. We need to identify what information each sub-group wants and can share. -adaptation; Organizations must constantly adapt or they’ll die out. I expect we and others will have to rapidly shift to using AI soon to be able to combat others using AI. -pressure from the outside; What external events guide the organization? -decision-making; Commit to decisions and take action. Get feedback. -measures of progress; What numbers can you increase or decrease? -defined risks; The risks need to be understood. -projects finished on time; Projects need a consistent scope and deadline. -clear feedback on everyone’s efforts; Feedback lets people know about a standard of performance. If you feel like things aren’t converging upon what you want, you may need to revisit questions that connect what you’re doing more clearly to your end goals. For example: How does each person help antifascism (or anarchism/etc.)? -What actions can you take? -What time do you have? -What can you produce (e.g. writing, graphic design, gadgets, etc.)? -How do you make friends? -Where can you go? -Can you drive? -What connections can you make? -What can you say? -Can you advertise? -What can you buy? -Can you receive or give funds? -What information about your local political environment do you have? -What can you teach? -Can you think outside the box? -What motivates you? -Take breaks.
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moving funds anonymously and tax-free/CashApp + gift tax limit We can discuss what type of organization we intend to be alongside how this affects anonymity and the flow of money. We can use funds more immediately for mutual aid and for things such as marketing/sticker production. Our tax specialist has left, so I’d want some confirmation/rejection on the following organizational options: 1) We could become a 501 nonprofit. It was suggested that it’d probably be best to have local groups/chapters be independent nonprofits to match our flat nature and free association membership structure. Being a nonprofit would allow for no limit to funding but would remove anonymity for its overseers and invite more government scrutiny. DSA has a nonprofit fund. 2) Funds can be moved on an anonymous payment service such as CashApp. If I understand this correctly, funds can be moved as gifts and wouldn’t be taxed up to the annual gift tax limit ($17,000/year). All you would need to do is set up accounts. One problem however is that anonymous payment services are not e2e encrypted and thus governments may be able to obtain information on transactionsβ€”they may not be truly anonymous. The same problem is present in moving funds for a nonprofit. We’d only have peer-to-peer anonymity. I’ll be chatting with other orgs to see what they’ve done as well. As an aside, we’d also be looking to see who can take ownership of the website/Amazon Web Services (about $18/year). I doubt the cost is a concern, it’s more arranging how to do it with a layer of anonymity. I’d suggest using anonymous payment methods like a prepaid card.
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:55 PM
@official You're using ChatGPT? How are you getting around the lack of recent events/training data?
12:55 PM
hiya Ombrage. Ombrage = Revolae
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I pay for it, I also installed open ai on my windows machine but I havent played around enough yet
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:56 PM
@joe hill’s revenge I posted about moving funds but we haven't talked yet about it
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Crypto is the easiest to move funds
12:56 PM
usd coin would be best
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:57 PM
So, we have a couple options: 1) establish nonprofits, 2) make us of gifts and probably stay below gift tax limits.
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Yes, proposals
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:57 PM
crypto I thought had false anonymity?
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Research first, keep a list to submit. Do we have a channel to submit groups to to research
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joe hill’s revenge 4/30/2023 12:57 PM
organizational needs, moving funds anonymously and tax-free/CashApp + gift tax limit (need some help to see if I got this right), protest/event calendars and where to find people
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:58 PM
So, I'm looking to see if I understand right that we can just move money around if it's below the annual gift tax limit that it won't incur scrutiny??
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correct, 500 or less
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 12:59 PM
I'm summarizing: So, we have a couple options: 1) establish nonprofits, 2) make us of gifts and probably stay below gift tax limits.
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We can skip that and get to moving funds
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yes
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below 10,000 to not alert banking
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:00 PM
I think 2023 gift tax limit is actually moved up to $17,000
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below 10,000 to not alert banking
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:00 PM
Who's got info on this
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yes
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I do have a* YT channel going (edited)
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:02 PM
Oh? links pls!
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Patreon links too. I didn't know about this
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IITONE
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Skullmaggot
Oh? links pls!
Proud, armed transwoman. Explorer. Virtual sorceress. Menace to society.
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Right. We could fund each project as it comes.
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:03 PM
Ourselves, since we don't have fundraising set up. But, who has fundraising info I can look at? (edited)
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individually at first
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Yes, we do not want to be branded as griifters
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:04 PM
Be aware that we don't need to necessarily have every part working at first. We can start with one side and then get to other sides of a problem.
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haaaa
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We have funds available if need be. Lets do the work and the funds will come
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:05 PM
I'm a cheapskate. However, that shouldn't keep us from making necessary expenses
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We have funds available if need be. Lets do the work and the funds will come
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:05 PM
Let's identify people/groups who need funds and get their account info to send them funds
1:05 PM
I think maybe to start
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If we want exposure, we will need a stunt to announce. First the foundation needs building
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:06 PM
Small stuff, then figure out taxes :/
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501 nonprofit wouldn't have a limit
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I agree as well. As calls for mutual aid come in we can send donations individually on behalf of iron front
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Build our image and foundation together
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:07 PM
IITONE needs funds for sticker production equipment. However, they haven't been active for a couple weeks
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Gotta reach out to them
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Marketing is unfortunately very important to grow
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I agree as well. As calls for mutual aid come in we can send donations individually on behalf of iron front
This reminds me I recently joined my local Mutual Aid Disaster Relief group and they are all over the US. Just something adjacent to us I figured to be involved in.
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I think we would be better off using someone who is already doing the work and has the equipement
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I think we would be better off using someone who is already doing the work and has the equipement
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:08 PM
I was looking into OffColorDecals, but it'd be the same problem
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custom equipment is the problem
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There are people selling AIF patches on Etsy and stuff. Surely one of these people are a member or something.
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All of that can be digital now, no need for paper
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There are people selling AIF patches on Etsy and stuff. Surely one of these people are a member or something.
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:08 PM
hmm
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we can even make all our templates and give them away for free
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Then they print it
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:09 PM
Actually, they are each possible contacts, yeah
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:09 PM
k
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We can make a shop on etsy but then money paper trail
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I am sure we do as well. We could use an Avengers roster of allies and enemies
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If it's an an individual's who supports AIF though it at least keeps it in the family + distributes risk and money trail
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:10 PM
@RebelKitty Would you be able to get a list of producers?
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So lets come up with a list of tasks and assign them
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:10 PM
yeah. Let's make a list
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yup yup
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yeah yeah
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:11 PM
Okay, first, Cyg?
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What goal for you?
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hiya, we were getting goals listed
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I like this (edited)
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I also participate in local HAM groups on more of the general preparedness side of things
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:12 PM
I'll look at local California orgs.
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Repping the patch has also had people asking about it too ;3
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I have minnesota
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:13 PM
Ian H.? Either suggestions what to do or what you'll do?
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oh lol
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:14 PM
I'm sorry, I had a loud noise nearby and missed it
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Mission statement first
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AI is a hellava drug
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:15 PM
let's get a list of things to do, I think first
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Yes
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:15 PM
official, what's your tasks?
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I would like to create a workflow for each task above
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:16 PM
just reiterating so I'll write it down all together
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Do we mind working together on a google doc
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With a new gmail account specifically for aif
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With a new gmail account specifically for aif
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:16 PM
prolly use protonmail instead
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If you want to get stronger/lose weight, use weights in your cardio
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Does protomail have docs?
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:17 PM
Ombrage, what tasks do you want to work on these two weeks?
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Does protomail have docs?
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:17 PM
maybe cryptpad for docs
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YES
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:18 PM
Ombrage, did you have any tasks to give yourself to do over the next couple weeks?
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Fuck these fascists active clubs
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:19 PM
@RebelKitty What do you want to work on these next two weeks?
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let me know when you have it so I can delete
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let me know when you have it so I can delete
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:19 PM
I have it
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Karaoke minute 😹
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Yeah I have to go. Weekly meetings?
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Karaoke minute 😹
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:20 PM
Would I be able to list what you'll be working on next?
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Yeah I have to go. Weekly meetings?
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:20 PM
biweekly
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biweekly sounds good
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Skullmaggot
Would I be able to list what you'll be working on next?
Hella. Getting together list of AIF swag peddlers.
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Hella. Getting together list of AIF swag peddlers.
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:20 PM
excellent
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+ music video + still workshopping a tutorial for field dressing. If we ever do that sort of thing I could always come up with something to ramble about.
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If we do the tutorial thing though I think having a set schedule ahead of time might be better for everyone involved.
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Use our ai at www.purplenoodlemarketing.com below the hero image
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for your fielddressing tut
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:22 PM
I would like to work on connecting with Progressive Victory to get information about how to organize. I want to also work with official to learn what ai options we have. Edit: Also, make a list of people who'll at least have accounts to which we can move funds. (edited)
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I would like to work on connecting with Progressive Victory to get information about how to organize. I want to also work with official to learn what ai options we have. Edit: Also, make a list of people who'll at least have accounts to which we can move funds. (edited)
I just joined their discord, go to their site and sign up and your in
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I just joined their discord, go to their site and sign up and your in
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:23 PM
Hmm, I couldn't get in on a previous link. Have an invite?
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zine-omorph!
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I have a bot working on my windows machine called Hopiumbot thats goal is to save all biological creatures from the 6th extinction
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I just joined their discord, go to their site and sign up and your in
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:24 PM
Do you have a link to their Discord?
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:25 PM
@joe hill’s revenge You mean what programs or what principles?
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Use ai and canva with ai image genrator in it
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generator*
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Its easy these days
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Use ai and canva with ai image genrator in it
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:26 PM
are we talking about ai discord or Progressive Victory Discord?
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Skullmaggot
are we talking about ai discord or Progressive Victory Discord?
Im sorry: that link is the progressive victory discord, do you want to know more about ai?
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Im sorry: that link is the progressive victory discord, do you want to know more about ai?
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:27 PM
Yes, later. I want to understand how to use ai to increase work done.
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Missouri politicians need help, that first
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Skullmaggot
Yes, later. I want to understand how to use ai to increase work done.
dm me and I can guide you.
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:28 PM
bye!
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Solidarity forever
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Can we delete this chat?
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:28 PM
@joe hill’s revenge schedule something
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Yes, biweekly?
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Can we delete this chat?
Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:28 PM
It's possible
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:29 PM
bye, Cyg
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Sounds good, peace
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:29 PM
bye!
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Hi, did you want to chat?
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We could. I was going to follow up with official though.
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I'll divide my attention
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hi
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My headphones aren't working for speech. I've been having trouble. Can't hear me?
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darn
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Did you want to go over anything? I'll be getting the meeting notes out later today
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yeah, I enjoy your musical talent
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Have you taken lessons? Or just a natural talent?
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heh heh
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I'm tone deaf
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so I'm jealous
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I'll just listen to you sing
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cass?
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oh okay
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light the candle?
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Do you like more sad or happy songs?
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:40 PM
I haven't heard much of anything
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depresso-expresso
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Do you use music for helping your mood?
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ah
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sorry to hear
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:44 PM
I've heard this before somewhere
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I don't think I've got great taste in music.
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yeah you are
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 1:45 PM
What problems have you had socializing?
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Hmm, I wonder what I do wrong myself since I have trouble maintaining friendships. My kryptonite is calling people to keep up with them. I just either don't remember or can't feel like I should bother them.
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I think doing stuff with others helps. Do you do things like going out or hiking?
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Bother people? Like, overload them?
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yeah
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it's not for everyone
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but, yeah, philosophy
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hiya
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I don't think philosophy is for everyone either
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What's in the renaissance?
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For the society or aesthetic?
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yeah, I think stuff like that changed with the introduction of captialism
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Homophobia and the like seems like a relatively new phenomenon
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I'll see if it's somewhere online
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hmm, I think there are different levels of society and then different levels of trust. If you can't trust what you see online, people will be pushed to find trust with others near them in their cities.
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it's interesting
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maybe, it comes down to feedback for trust
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if trusting something leads to destruction, don't trust it
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you've heard of ai alignment?
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I don't think we have much of a choice overall. AI is a potential.
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lol
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yeah, the entire planet is going to go through some pains
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I think it'd be more like chess
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where people are still competing with other people for sport
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but the best things are ai
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art and economy will be sports
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heh
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I wanted to write a novel
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 2:00 PM
about people being unable to compete with ai
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 2:01 PM
and the plot is that people aren't able to compete with a specific flesh and blood person
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hmm
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which one?
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MrStumpi3
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Skullmaggot 4/30/2023 2:04 PM
okay. Are you looking for help with that?
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Do you think competition is a good thing?
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nope
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Have you spoken with #chaos-monkeys people?
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Okay. Maybe just write out a plan to share.
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right
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k
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yes
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I was going to dm
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Skullmaggot 5/21/2023 6:58 PM
hi!
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Hi, I'm in the open chat
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I've been talking more often, true. Usually I'm whispering if people don't mind that.
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I'm purposefully whsipering
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maybe try floppunism
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everyone does everything – choosing a project focus We could do with more coordination to achieve both local and national goals. Although there are a few projects that are gaining people, there are many smaller projects/functions that are struggling with just one or two people. I’m not trying to pull people off of the larger projects, but I do want to see if we can develop a core of people (let’s say 5 to 15) who agree to focus on only one project at a time for a predetermined period (let’s say 4 weeks), completing goals before rotating to the next project. Organizing haphazardly before was okay when we were growing quickly and figuring out how to get our feet under us, but we may be expecting too much specialization of labor when we don’t have all the necessary experience and skill sets to fill in the gaps. We may instead benefit from a more generalized core of people who are able to wear many hats and who can then support other groups that are looking to specialize.
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My proposal is then to ask if those who want to be involved would agree on a single project focus. This would be voluntary, and people can join or leave this generalized β€œeveryone does everything” work group. This is also just an idea I’m bringing up to improve coordination, and if people have other ideas, let’s hear them. The benefits from a generalized core work group include more productive discussion with people being on the same page, better capacity to make decisions, building structures for delegation, and stimulating action towards goals. Other benefits include improving involvement since people are interacting with others more closely, more people will be drawn to a group who’s getting things done, and new people will immediately know what’s going on and will be able to immediately insert themselves in the structure we create. A core group would also incrementally learn about all the various aspects of what we’re trying to accomplish. The generalized core work group can temporarily bolster any project with its members, the potential drawback being that a project’s fervor may lessen when the group decides to tackle a different project. Or, another problem may be that other (especially new) people are not enthused to do something they don’t immediately care about and will do something else instead. The major limitation we have is that people are likely spread out across the country, so most work may be remote work. However, if we’re able to bring in more people, it may be possible to fill in more of the cycle of projects and either create a full loop or achieve specialization for multiple simultaneous projects. We have about 20 different things that people seem to want, but I believe we should be able to demonstrate that we can do one successfully first before hopelessly trying to do all 20 at once. If people want to do a core work group, I would suggest that project ideas should have:
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1. a knowledgeable head person to provide direction 2. a project plan and deadline (e.g. 4 weeks) and a list of what tasks need to be completed, tasks should be chunked into manageable segments (from 30 minutes to 3 hours or something) 3. discussion and consensus about what project to select and how to implement it 4. a way to actively bring in more (new) people into the project The following is not an exhaustive list but a few things that people have mentioned. Current project ideas include: -Ian H.; summer plans -grow our organization this summer with small, manageable IRL events -?; mutual aid -connect with communities to figure out how to get them what they need, may also include an underground railroad -Spinner; Unbroken Circle Ranch -build free collective sustainable villages (10-20 people each) who need to escape domestic or inner city violence -Skullmaggot; growth & placement -involves networking, finding on-the-ground resources, marketing, and processing people -?; media (this probably falls under marketing) -more generally, we could better organize zine, website, graphic design, and social media groups -floppunism?; AIF Research Division -build an intelligence network As an unrelated side note, powerful AI (ChatGPT, Bing Chat, Google Bard, GPT 4, AutoGPT) are available (many are free) that should be able to assist with tasks and even automate some.
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Skullmaggot 5/21/2023 7:14 PM
floppunism
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intelligence network
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Frederick Piratin 5/21/2023 7:25 PM
I'm honestly curious why PSL would recruit in the AIF space. The ideological backgrounds of people recruited into each space are very different from each other, not exactly the most ocmpatible.
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Skullmaggot 5/21/2023 7:30 PM
MLM
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Frederick Piratin 5/21/2023 7:32 PM
A lot of tankies have the same underlying motivations and ideals as the fascists, they just have different aesthetics and geopolitical allegiances.
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Skullmaggot 5/21/2023 7:37 PM
hiya, rathernot123
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Frederick Piratin 5/21/2023 7:38 PM
The Spartacists were an interesting story, and honestly they're a fairly tragic case of a group that was doomed by many of their own delusions. Even more tragically, people like Luxemburg actually didn't want to do the uprising, but went along with it.
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Skullmaggot 5/21/2023 7:38 PM
You got the singularity
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that's that
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Skullmaggot 5/21/2023 7:49 PM
ha
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-ask floppunism if they’d like support -determine a project plan and deadline -non-hierarchical project plan? -vetting procedures -get off Discord -continue to check if people are okay with limiting ourselves to fewer projects -recruit more people for the project
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@Zannheim limit scope, I mean
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Frederick Piratin 5/21/2023 8:05 PM
Hey, my state NJ!
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Skullmaggot 5/21/2023 8:09 PM
What channel?
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J rag?
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Frederick Piratin 5/21/2023 8:10 PM
jReG
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Skullmaggot 5/21/2023 8:10 PM
thx
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floppunism
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Casey and Oliphaunt
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Frederick Piratin 5/21/2023 8:19 PM
My personal project. Actually build a AIF chapter, and try to merge existing networks into it.
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Skullmaggot 5/28/2023 12:07 PM
core focus group In the meeting last week, I presented the idea that we could do a generalized core focus group comprised of people who agree to focus on only one project at a time. The reasoning was that we may be expecting too much specialization on the outset (we’ve had some success trying to do each function, but many places are lagging), and instead we could build a generalized core of activity that would then support other specialized projects. It’s also the idea to do one thing well first before we can have a hope of trying to do the twenty or so projects we’re attempting. Focus is a resource that allows for more productive discussions, decisions, and actions. As long as people are alright with it, I’ll probably be reiterating for everyone to narrow their focus and scope. Last week, most people were leaning towards building an intelligence network for tracking fascists, especially around their activities and harassment of racial and LBGTQ+ minorities. Here’s what’s gone on so far: 1. floppunism has already made an AIF Research Division server. The server can be a landing pad but private stuff should not be on there since Discord is not secure. Instead use encrypted messengers (Element, Telegram, Signal, etc.) and collaboration services (CryptPad). 2. floppunism’s server has restricted access. New users are currently allowed access through popular vote. Vetting would be helpful to build trust and keep things secure. If we can vet in person we should do that, but online is trickier. We may instead then create a tiered system of access. Limited access also complicates things if this is the core project to build other projects around. I’ll have to see what we can build around this project that doesn’t restrict access.
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3. floppunism is currently doing finals this week but can develop a process afterwards for tracking fascists. I am NOT experienced with this, so I’d want input as to how to go about achieving goals. I spoke with RebelKitty and got the sense of assembling information on fascists in spreadsheets and files. We can build a β€œcalendar” to track fascist events. We can determine a target audience for the dissemination of information, be that online, communities, or local antifascist groups. I don’t like waiting, so if people want to jump on anything, I’ll try to spur more discussion and organize things with the information I have. I want to confirm with floppunism what process they want to do later this week.
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4. The people involved are not expert organizers or managers. This usually ends up meaning that people with information may not know to contact others for help with tasks. Be sure to express your expectations of how you think you should help or expectations of how you will accomplish your personal goals (e.g. β€œI expect people will hand me this information, and I expect to do this action with it.”) Please remember to insert and assert yourselves so that other people remember you exist and can incorporate you into their work. For redundancy’s sake for continuing the project, either have at least two people who can make decisions or two people who have the information to answer others’ questions. We are also still in a do-ocracy stage, which means we benefit more from taking action first and asking for permission later. You are welcome to step on others toes rather than wait for permission. If you don’t have access to the server, you can still set up fascist tracking by yourself.
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5. Not everything is going into this one core focus group, but I will try to build things on top of the core project so that the core project then drives other projects. We can build things tangentially and in the context of the core project. For example, tracking fascists encourages us to connect with communities for the dissemination of information, and we could then use community connections to recruit new people in accordance with Ian H.’s β€œsummer plans to touch grass” project. In another example, we can feed information about fascists and protecting LGBTQ+ events to Realitywarp’s podcast project. People have their own projects, but if you find that your project is not advancing, I would encourage you to try joining up with the core project and then tangentially and incrementally building up your own project from the information and support the core project would provide. As things get more cemented, it may be possible to have more specialization. Since focus is our resource, we can decide each week how we want to concentrate or reasonably divide that focus.
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moderation of the server People have been asking for various changes and it’s a good moment for people to direct the environment on the server. 1. People have been wondering about using age limits to deny underage users given both the nature of the server and the maturity of some of the people who have come on here. It’s been a long time coming, but we’ll put an age limit. It has been suggested to limit the server to those 18 years or older. This would mean that underage people would be kicked out. 2. It has been requested multiple times that we have some channels in a forum format (https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6208479917079-Forum-Channels-FAQ). Mods would like to see a petition from people to gauge the popularity of such a format before making changes. 3. Mod Banks has provided a list of inactive channels. If it’s alright with people, we’d like to archive and lock them to reduce the number of unused spaces. 4. People’s schedules have been changing, so it be useful to do a when2meet to determine a new biweekly meeting time. Feel free to bring up other moderation changes you’d like to see. It’s sometimes difficult to gather mods and admins together for consensus, so it helps to also keep discussion going among members. Although mods and admins have been making decisions about the server and its environment, we would like to encourage more democratization on the server.
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Skullmaggot 6/11/2023 12:01 PM
Hi, muted today
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kk
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Okay. I think I'm going to add that with yesterday, we're making our antifascist ideology with "being able to criticize other countries both in the context of the US and outside of the context of the US" and "global solidarity with victims of authoritarianism everywhere, doesn’t matter who it is or how the boot got there."
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That's okay. I'll probably hang out in the Meeting room for the hour.
12:10 PM
Okay, see ya.
12:11 PM
yeah, yeah, Spinner also has ideas and I think he should be involved in discussions.
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see ya (edited)
12:24 PM
It's definitely a first draft
12:25 PM
We're doing three strike rule, I think.
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Skullmaggot 6/25/2023 12:32 PM
There will be a discussion, yeah.
12:36 PM
I need to ask WojtektheBear what he means by no doxxing.
12:41 PM
goal, determine what information to collect to meet those goals, analyze the information for patterns, and disseminate information
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MisterStompy 6/25/2023 12:48 PM
MAGA has had enough with Patriot Front! πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ
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Frederick Piratin 6/25/2023 1:05 PM
Debates work in specific contexts.
1:05 PM
On online forums, not as much.
1:05 PM
As the others said, flamewars aren't exactly the most effective avenue of attack.
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Skullmaggot 6/25/2023 1:06 PM
I want to reduce their capacity to organize.
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Frederick Piratin 6/25/2023 1:13 PM
Wants to be a war profiteer, and this war isn't profitable.
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@MisterStompy An update with more info on the PF v. Nazi fight. https://twitter.com/CAntifascists/status/1673015271727202307
🧡Video of proud boys fighting with and demasking members of rose city nationists near Oregon City PRIDE event. The earlier video link got deleted by the author. Here is the screengrab from redit. 1/3
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Braakinthesaddle 7/9/2023 5:02 PM
AFternoon everyone, I'm finishing up a phone call with my grandma then i'll hop on
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For some reason I have no sound. I'm gonna leave and try to come back.
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joe hill’s revenge 7/9/2023 5:21 PM
What r we discussing?
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Frederick Piratin 7/9/2023 5:24 PM
Saw that video. Pretty funny.
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joe hill’s revenge 7/9/2023 5:28 PM
It’s not a renascence faire
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Those r cool
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Frederick Piratin 7/9/2023 5:29 PM
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joe hill’s revenge 7/9/2023 5:31 PM
Eight men wearing the colors of the Proud Boys hate group – at least two of whom were armed  β€“ initiated a violent confrontation with protesters outside a white nationalist conference near Nashville, Tennessee on Saturday afternoon.
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Frederick Piratin 7/9/2023 5:33 PM
Here's the Idavox article, includes intel that was gathered.
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2023 5:33 PM
Are you looking to disrupt anything? (edited)
5:39 PM
All you need to do is set up cameras on the roads in to get license plates numbers.
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All you need to do is set up cameras on the roads in to get license plates numbers.
Frederick Piratin 7/9/2023 5:41 PM
An interesting idea, but a bit expensive.
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2023 5:41 PM
Two drones on the two roads in. (edited)
5:42 PM
Or, even use satellite data.
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joe hill’s revenge 7/9/2023 5:42 PM
I have a proposal for info gathering
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Frederick Piratin 7/9/2023 5:42 PM
Fuck it, one struggle moment
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2023 5:42 PM
Sure, should it be over Signal?
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joe hill’s revenge 7/9/2023 5:42 PM
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No it’s just a list of groups we can spy on
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Online
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2023 5:43 PM
We could also watch activity of groups before they move in.
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We could also watch activity of groups before they move in.
joe hill’s revenge 7/9/2023 5:43 PM
People r gonna be doing that we can join with
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2023 5:43 PM
That I would like to get in on since I'm out of the loop.
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Frederick Piratin 7/9/2023 5:45 PM
Speakers at this weekend’s American Renaissance conference included a former congressman; a self-described β€œproud Islamophobe” who once handcuffed herself to Twitter’s headquarters; and a recently retired captain in Boise, Idaho’s Police Department (BPD) whose identification by an antifascist researcher and activist has been corroborated by Hate...
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2023 5:45 PM
I just want to get in anywhere.
5:46 PM
Are you looking to bug the place?
5:48 PM
ok
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Frederick Piratin 7/9/2023 5:51 PM
Here's the de facto organizer on oru side, and a guy we work with in NJ, Daryle Jenkins! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryle_Lamont_Jenkins
Daryle Lamont Jenkins (born July 22, 1968) is an American political activist, best known for founding One People's Project, an organization based in New Brunswick, New Jersey. Jenkins serves as its executive director.
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joe hill’s revenge 7/23/2023 5:05 PM
Do we want to give reports on groups we are monitoring
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name: patriot front relative size: 500-1000 type: paramilitarized activism territory: nation wide leadership: Thomas R. known activity: flyering, social media, armed demonstrations notes: probably the largest single fash org in the country, doxxed multiple time, engage in graffiti, paramilitary training and networking within the movement
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name: New Jersey European heritage assoc. relative size: 10-50 type: propaganda territory: New Jersey, Philly leadership: Daniel d’ambloy known activity: flyering, marching notes: n/a
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@Skullmaggot what do you think of this template?
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template: basic info: name: relative size: type: (active club, militia, protest org, local of national, general activist etc) territory: leadership: known activity notes: (any other info you can think of)
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Frederick Piratin 7/23/2023 5:14 PM
My apologies for being late.
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Frederick Piratin 7/23/2023 5:28 PM
Times like this make me glad I'm in Jersey.
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Skullmaggot 7/23/2023 5:31 PM
make slower, make worse product, make more expensive
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joe hill’s revenge 7/23/2023 5:32 PM
CryptPad: end-to-end encrypted collaboration suite
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Frederick Piratin 7/23/2023 5:46 PM
APA is focused on more conventional activism (like electoral action).
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APA is focused on more conventional activism (like electoral action).
joe hill’s revenge 7/23/2023 5:50 PM
who mentioned apa?
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Skullmaggot 7/23/2023 5:50 PM
me
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Click to see attachment πŸ–ΌοΈ
Frederick Piratin 7/23/2023 6:21 PM
To be clear, that's intel we've gathered, correct?
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To be clear, that's intel we've gathered, correct?
Skullmaggot 7/23/2023 6:22 PM
I got most of it from checking AmRen's websites names against SPLC.
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:00 PM
hello
5:03 PM
It's pretty quiet at home and I don't want to be overheard. I'll be in the open chat today, I think.
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DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 8/6/2023 5:03 PM
Alr
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:04 PM
@Average Joe Hi, so, I haven't spoken with you before, right? How goes it and want are you hoping to do?
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:05 PM
Yeah, I'm usually gaming on Sundays.
5:06 PM
I'm looking for some like minded people in my area to help identify and catalog fascist threats.
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:10 PM
I think for Missouri you can try both fromdefilade with the St. Louis John Brown Gun Club as well as contact people tracking fascists like the Virginia (contact 6L3THAL) and New Jersey (contact joe hill's revenge) chapters. 6L3THAL could use a hand. I can also hand you a quick list of online tools too if you want.
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:10 PM
That would be awesome.
5:11 PM
Good things to use are Social Searcher and reverse image searches like tineye.com.
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:12 PM
I wasn't aware of JBGC in my area. I know there is a midmissouri chaper near Colombia.
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:12 PM
You can find addresses via https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/
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(I forgot to list it on the PDF. You can also use White Pages.)
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:14 PM
Cool, thank you
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I wasn't aware of JBGC in my area. I know there is a midmissouri chaper near Colombia.
Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:14 PM
Chapters can be in and out. I haven't spoke with fromdefilade in a couple months, so I hope they are still active.
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And contact 6L3THAL since 6L3THAL is also cataloging fascists. A lot of info is also already on SPLC.
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And contact 6L3THAL since 6L3THAL is also cataloging fascists. A lot of info is also already on SPLC.
Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:17 PM
I certainly will. Unfortunately, SPLC doesn't have much on individuals in my area. Though there are many groups listed.
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:18 PM
Additionally, the American Renaissance Conference is being held soon in Tennessee. We'd be identifying attendees along with One People's Project.
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:19 PM
Does anyone have experience with Bellingcat? I've looked at some of there resources but I have no idea where to start.
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:23 PM
Um, not yet myself. I'm new to OSINT myself but am slowly amassing tools and experience. You start more with what goals you have, which will inform you about what types of information you want to collect. You could then use tools to amass data and analyze that data for patterns. On this public Discord, I believe we're still in the amassing stage where we're collecting data both ourselves as well as from sources of already amassed information. Actual mathematical analysis I don't yet think people are inclined to do. Instead, gain information about a subject, figure out all their relations to other subjects, and understand all the inputs and outputs of their economy to know what to pressure.
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@DeepSouth [ATL, GA] Did you want to go over anything today?
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@DeepSouth [ATL, GA] Did you want to go over anything today?
DeepSouth [ATL, GA] 8/6/2023 5:24 PM
Not really much happening with me, unfortunately all the Nazis are in the northern part of GA :(. Unfortunately I won't be able to attend the American Renaissance counter protest due to work, I'm starting two new jobs this week. School starts tomorrow so I'm stressed about that.
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I did some stickering yesterday though, so that's good.
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:32 PM
I've been looking into Atheist Alliance for Helping the Homeless.
5:33 PM
I think they're just in St Louis.
5:34 PM
I'm having a hard time hearing you. What was that?
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:34 PM
Invite to join a server
5:36 PM
I don't know if they're focusing too much on the United States.
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:38 PM
I'm not very technologically inclined but I can definitely provide some info.
5:40 PM
I'm aware of an Aryan Brothehood member in the area.
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:42 PM
The Aryan Brotherhood, also known as The Brand, Alice Baker, AB or One-Two, is the nation’s oldest major white supremacist prison gang and a national crime syndicate. Founded in 1964 by Irish bikers as a form of protection for white inmates in newly desegregated prisons, the AB is today the largest and deadliest prison gang in the United States,...
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:42 PM
Yesterday someone through some antisemitic propaganda on people's driveways.
5:43 PM
Out the window
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:44 PM
A Billings, Mo., man who belonged to the Aryan Brotherhood was sentenced in federal court today for methamphetamine trafficking.
5:47 PM
What are you looking to do with the information you gather? (edited)
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:47 PM
I would want to share it here.
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Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 5:48 PM
Okay, but the Discord has limited reach and limited effect. For example, the subreddit has a much bigger audience and is more public. Overall you could identify individuals and orgs in your state of Missouri with which to share information.
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Average Joe 8/6/2023 5:49 PM
Sure, I'm already doing that.
5:51 PM
Would recommend canvassing the neighborhood?
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Someone on the reddit threads said neighbors gave video to police. I asked if they had access but never heard back.
6:00 PM
I need to go. Thanks for answering my questions. I'll send 6L3THAL the info on the AB guy and keep trying to get info on antisemitic propaganda.
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I need to go. Thanks for answering my questions. I'll send 6L3THAL the info on the AB guy and keep trying to get info on antisemitic propaganda.
Skullmaggot 8/6/2023 6:01 PM
Okay, see ya. Slow day today but thanks for coming.
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:01 PM
Yes, but it's quiet at home, so I'll probably have to start in the open chat
12:02 PM
How are people?
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I am doing good, how are you?
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:06 PM
I'll probably be muted for the first half of the meeting.
12:10 PM
I'm doing alright. I think I've been able to make steps towards solving a long-standing problem. I've got a plan for getting people trained and for expanding our capabilities, but the main problem has been to continually engaged people to power it. I've been addressing the problem by creating more of a positive feedback loop that focuses on what people are engaged/excited about and building upon that. For example, str8 up demon is researching America's labor movement to teach others and shift elections. What sorts of things are you engaged with or excited about?
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Hi, John Paul Jones. I'm discussing basic tools today for getting people's information and creating dossiers.
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You should probably ping people in here, I'm assuming people don't check VC chats that often.
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:12 PM
I have messaged everybody.
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Oh, mb then.
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:13 PM
Where you from, ossy? I'm in California.
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I'm from Ontario, in Canada.
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John Paul Jones 9/3/2023 12:14 PM
Awesome, what kind of information are we gathering?
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:17 PM
@John Paul Jones That step is to be determined. I've only got the tools. I was going to hand people over to joe hill's revenge. But, I believe you've been already doing things beyond this? What I've got are just basic links and a basic procedure that I'd want to expand upon.
12:18 PM
In the tracking fascists procedure doc, I basically say to convert whatever info you have into a person's name. From there, you can find other information and do a surface Google search to construct a dossier.
12:20 PM
I'm not entirely ready since I still need to get what current sub-groups are working on and their goals. And, I want to expand things to discuss online infiltration of fascist spaces and (numeric) analysis of patterns.
12:22 PM
Do you have anything going on, @ossy or @John Paul Jones , that can be expanded upon? I'm also looking to address uncertainties and questions.
12:23 PM
People are free to chat via voice as well. I'm just muting myself to not be overheard at home.
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John Paul Jones 9/3/2023 12:24 PM
I am actually currently working on a YouTube series addressing the identification of fascists and their groups. I'll drop a sneak peak of what I've been working on.
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:24 PM
Be aware about sharing things in this public Discord.
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John Paul Jones 9/3/2023 12:25 PM
Of course, these are going public in the upcoming weeks so it isn't an OPSEC issue.
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:25 PM
ok
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John Paul Jones 9/3/2023 12:25 PM
This is at the AMREN conference that happened in August in TN.
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:27 PM
One of the things in the checklist I'm trying to fill out (for each OSINT/fascist tracking group) is the target audience for dissemination of information. Who are you planning to give info to? Also, One People's Project was tackling AmRen as well, if you're in communication with them.
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John Paul Jones 9/3/2023 12:29 PM
I live in TN and the series is going to be called "State of Supremacy" The intended target audience is people who are ignorant of the fascists here at home in my region and surrounding regions.
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It is one thing to read about it in the news, it is another to physically see the problem in an area which you have been or your family has been to.
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:31 PM
So, dissemination to the general public? But not through the news or a website? Media would have better reach but you want to make it personally affecting? What about flyers or something?
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What are some fascists we should be tracking?
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π”‰π”žπ”―π”žπ”‘π”žπ”Ά 9/3/2023 12:41 PM
Patriot front sucks
12:42 PM
They get kids from roblox now lol
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Not joking
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Ive seen em
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What are some fascists we should be tracking?
Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:43 PM
We've got groups already tracking, but I need their info on what their focuses are :/. Otherwise, people can start new focuses.
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π”‰π”žπ”―π”žπ”‘π”žπ”Ά 9/3/2023 12:43 PM
I was in a discord where they wwre recruiting from roblox but i got banned
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We've got groups already tracking, but I need their info on what their focuses are :/. Otherwise, people can start new focuses.
What groups
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:43 PM
But, we should reduce the number of focuses to be efficient.
12:43 PM
One sec
12:50 PM
And, I'll speak with people after the meeting to discuss their interests and how they want to proceed.
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π”‰π”žπ”―π”žπ”‘π”žπ”Ά 9/3/2023 12:50 PM
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Yeah im here for another 8min
12:50 PM
Then gotta get back
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:51 PM
Hi, Banks. I've just got partial info for people about fascist tracking tools.
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Scratch that, we’re down a budtender. Ill try to send some info your way when I can and any input I may have. Im off at 3 @Skullmaggot
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Scratch that, we’re down a budtender. Ill try to send some info your way when I can and any input I may have. Im off at 3 @Skullmaggot
Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 12:52 PM
Okay
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π”‰π”žπ”―π”žπ”‘π”žπ”Ά 9/3/2023 12:57 PM
What kind of fascists should we be tracking? What would make the biggest impact? Ive noticed everyone just goes after the leaders of mostly public groups where the leaders pretty much are already outting themselves out there (edited)
12:58 PM
In my eyes its just childish and doesnt accomplish much because the leaders of the big groups just want to be asshole celebs
12:58 PM
So what kind of people should we be actively chasing down?
12:59 PM
Im in NC
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 1:01 PM
6L3THAL
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π”‰π”žπ”―π”žπ”‘π”žπ”Ά 9/3/2023 1:01 PM
Ok ill shoot them a message
1:02 PM
Are they here in the server?
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Are they here in the server?
Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 1:05 PM
yes
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Someone mentioned a list on telegram
1:07 PM
or of telegram public groups?
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Skullmaggot 9/3/2023 1:10 PM
John Paul Jones has the list. I'll get it from them afterwards.
1:12 PM
Hopefully people have enough of an idea. I'll speak with ossy and Faraday during the week to get them up to speed. I'll adjourn the meeting if no one has any more questions.
1:13 PM
See ya
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