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  • Resource list for easy flyer printing and distribution: Basically it will be a series of printouts anyone can print on standard paper, fold, and distribute at protests. Information will be on identifying fascist groups by symbols, what to say if you get arrested, and maybe some primers for why were protesting and motivationals.
    • Sticker/tagger guide: I'm putting this together, doing research on low cost sticker prints you can get on Amazon. I got a couple ordered I'll mess around with. The goal is to make stickers that are strong, if not cheap, that we can use to tag urban areas or do info-wars into fascist territories. Think stickers that talk about Jan 6th, the Big Lie, things that will make a neo-nazi bitch and moan about "the libs" putting stickers in their neighborhoods. There will be a video showing what to buy, it won't be a public youtube video so it'll stay here.
    • Protest pics: I may be thinking too ahead, we're a bit small, but I'd love to see some representation at protests. Boots on the ground, as they say. I've got a flag coming in the mail. I hope to post some pics saying things like "if you're protesting at this city, meet me at this flag". Let's build some connections and motivate each other.
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Skullmaggot 6/28/2022 9:48 PM
@Farren I can delete my posts. I was talking more about discord-wide discussions and spelling out what is alright to talk about here vs. not alright.
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@Farren I can delete my posts. I was talking more about discord-wide discussions and spelling out what is alright to talk about here vs. not alright.
I think it's okay to leave it for now. We don't have an agreement on what meeting minutes are for, so next meeting we have, we'll talk about the plans for meeting minutes and how clean we want it to be or if it can be a discussion channel as well -- if anything we could do one of those thread things my paleolithic brain can't understand
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@Farren I can delete my posts. I was talking more about discord-wide discussions and spelling out what is alright to talk about here vs. not alright.
Not sure what discord wide discussion for things alright to talk about vs not alright. We have the rules section that should detail discussion
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Skullmaggot 6/28/2022 9:51 PM
I meant in terms of any sensitive plans vs. ones that are okay in more public spaces.
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You also have a lot of people arriving and no discernible structure and no understanding of what each person should do moment to moment.
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I agree. This is stuff we need to address in the meeting. I definitely think we need a meeting to address this My first instinct is to make a "call to action" section that we will invite people to talk there for things that need to get done. It will be divided into graphic designers and researchers for anti-fasc candidates running for state rep or other levels of government. I hope that to be fairly active with a job board. I think that we should have a group discussion about this job board/call to action section before we make it. We need people to consider the ramifications, like are we going to be causing favoritism or will this give people more power than others, cause a cultural shift in this discord, etc...
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I'm cautious about this. We're small but we definitely could get this started ASAP after the meeting and we examine all facets of getting more activity in this discord server. As for discussion on what things to say versus not to say, I think the same. @WojtektheBear would be a good person to ask for sensitive plans vs ones in more public space. I'm going to make an executive decision and say this: THINGS NOT OKAY TO SAY:
  • Violence calls
  • Making plans to counter protest an identified protest (this will be for element chat)
  • Sensitive files (tagging templates, tactics that may be frowned upon for demontrations like popping a smoke grenade to disrupt police activity, copies of the anarchist cookbook, FGC9.zip, etc...) THINGS OKAY TO SAY:
  • Comment on plans after they've happened (tentative, as some details may be sensitive)
  • see rules
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Skullmaggot 6/28/2022 10:13 PM
Where are you posting meeting times?
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Skullmaggot
Where are you posting meeting times?
still figuring it out, but I want friday around 6PST. I could do another day but that day works well for my busy booty
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GG @Farren, you just advanced to level 6!
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Skullmaggot 6/28/2022 10:17 PM
@Farren That time is usually no good for me. It's also the case that I'm hearing-impaired, so talking over my computer is usually a no-go. Just can't hear well-enough. So, don't worry about me. Just need detailed minutes, and I'm up for submitting ideas at other times.
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Skullmaggot 6/28/2022 10:37 PM
@Dr_Diskette Might need a veterans' corner and maybe a graphic designers' corner. Lots of people coming in!
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@Dr_Diskette Might need a veterans' corner and maybe a graphic designers' corner. Lots of people coming in!
Dr_Diskette 6/28/2022 10:43 PM
Go head! Y’all have permission to make chats as needed
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Skullmaggot 6/28/2022 10:43 PM
@Dr_Diskette Okay, thanks.
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Farren
still figuring it out, but I want friday around 6PST. I could do another day but that day works well for my busy booty
Braakinthesaddle 6/29/2022 3:36 AM
FWIW, Friday at 6pm actually works for me. I'm planning on calling out of work that day bc I'm getting a tattoo
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  • Resource list for easy flyer printing and distribution: Basically it will be a series of printouts anyone can print on standard paper, fold, and distribute at protests. Information will be on identifying fascist groups by symbols, what to say if you get arrested, and maybe some primers for why were protesting and motivationals.
    • Sticker/tagger guide: I'm putting this together, doing research on low cost sticker prints you can get on Amazon. I got a couple ordered I'll mess around with. The goal is to make stickers that are strong, if not cheap, that we can use to tag urban areas or do info-wars into fascist territories. Think stickers that talk about Jan 6th, the Big Lie, things that will make a neo-nazi bitch and moan about "the libs" putting stickers in their neighborhoods. There will be a video showing what to buy, it won't be a public youtube video so it'll stay here.
    • Protest pics: I may be thinking too ahead, we're a bit small, but I'd love to see some representation at protests. Boots on the ground, as they say. I've got a flag coming in the mail. I hope to post some pics saying things like "if you're protesting at this city, meet me at this flag". Let's build some connections and motivate each other.
I know I'm a bit late on this one, but I would like to add - maybe we could add a general protests channel - information on protest safetey, ideas for general aif representation, and links to organized demonstrations, rallies, etc. maybe this could go by state too? we should add a role bot (reaction roles is a good one and I can swear by its functionality) to manage this of course and then users could get what they need without so much clutter in the sidebar (an issue for mobile folks). plus then we can organize state channel visibility using roles (nest role selection channels general> select state(s) >what you would like to see for each state - and then an "all" role. just an organizational suggestion that could make growing the discord and organizing irl easier! cheers-
12:19 PM
on the bots note, carl and mee6 are great, but specialized bots can help increase server stability (best not to have server function dependent on one or two bots imo) and often do certain things better.
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GG @Kryptik, you just advanced to level 1!
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we should also move the level up messages to their own channel.
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GG @Kryptik, you just advanced to level 1!
because this
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that is all for now - thanks again all :)
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Kryptik
I know I'm a bit late on this one, but I would like to add - maybe we could add a general protests channel - information on protest safetey, ideas for general aif representation, and links to organized demonstrations, rallies, etc. maybe this could go by state too? we should add a role bot (reaction roles is a good one and I can swear by its functionality) to manage this of course and then users could get what they need without so much clutter in the sidebar (an issue for mobile folks). plus then we can organize state channel visibility using roles (nest role selection channels general> select state(s) >what you would like to see for each state - and then an "all" role. just an organizational suggestion that could make growing the discord and organizing irl easier! cheers-
Dr_Diskette 6/29/2022 12:30 PM
Interesting ideas! Rn I’m out of state however I’d love to discuss more with you on this
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Kryptik
I know I'm a bit late on this one, but I would like to add - maybe we could add a general protests channel - information on protest safetey, ideas for general aif representation, and links to organized demonstrations, rallies, etc. maybe this could go by state too? we should add a role bot (reaction roles is a good one and I can swear by its functionality) to manage this of course and then users could get what they need without so much clutter in the sidebar (an issue for mobile folks). plus then we can organize state channel visibility using roles (nest role selection channels general> select state(s) >what you would like to see for each state - and then an "all" role. just an organizational suggestion that could make growing the discord and organizing irl easier! cheers-
Dr_Diskette 6/29/2022 12:33 PM
#protest-resources is our place for general protest recourses, and I’m new to bots myself “made this discord 2 days ago”
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Dr_Diskette 6/29/2022 2:43 PM
Also I’ll fix @MEE6 When I’m back home forgot to send the link to the others so they can edit him
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Braakinthesaddle 6/29/2022 3:53 PM
I started a physical fitness corner. AustinWiltshire sent me some decent stuff, so I'll have him post in it.
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I started a physical fitness corner. AustinWiltshire sent me some decent stuff, so I'll have him post in it.
Dr_Diskette 6/29/2022 3:55 PM
Somebody’s asking about a mission statement do you wanna make/ share one in announcements
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I think the mission statement is kind of implied by the three arrows? So maybe just link them to the #history-of-ironfront for now (edited)
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idk though-I guess it's up to the discord as thus far this is the official aif 👌
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I would see if something like it ready exists rq. my phone is about to die and I have to head back home, but I will dm you @Dr_Diskette when I am available for setup stuff again. ty all👍
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Deleted User 6/29/2022 6:48 PM
We should partner with the r/new Patriotism sub, bring together both pro democracy Patriotism subs, new Patriotism and American iron front
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Perhaps have the discord liked on both subs
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We could channel both crowds much better that way
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Skullmaggot 6/29/2022 7:13 PM
@Deleted User Noted. We’re just getting our feet wet with organizing. You can of course reach out to them yourself and see how they are structuring themselves. Right now we have a few points of organization/contact (these are just the ones I know about, there could be more): @WojtektheBear is part of the existing Iron Front group in Boston. @Dr_Diskette is heading this discord. @oldfuzybear and myself are working on information management. It seems like several veterans are in the minnesota channel, if you want to name drop anyone on the r/newPatriotism sub (though I haven’t talked to the veterans yet). We’re busy getting resources up, so any help reaching out to others is appreciated.
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Deleted User 6/29/2022 7:46 PM
Definitely
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Deleted User
We should partner with the r/new Patriotism sub, bring together both pro democracy Patriotism subs, new Patriotism and American iron front
I've contacted them on reddit and have yet to get a reply. I'm working on maybe contacting the mods in a more direct manner
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Deleted User 6/29/2022 9:25 PM
I'll also contact them myself to add pressure
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I'll also contact them myself to add pressure
Nice
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:12 AM
@Farren Changed "corners" to "call to action."
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Skullmaggot
@Farren Changed "corners" to "call to action."
Sounds more appropriate, I like it
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:13 AM
Also, how public are meetings?
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public meetings?
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like meeting group members in public?
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:15 AM
@Braakinthesaddle I think I'll move the physical fitness down to the resources category. The corners category has been renamed "call to action." Edit: Actually, I'm now not sure. Is it a resource or is it a channel for expertise? (edited)
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@Braakinthesaddle I think I'll move the physical fitness down to the resources category. The corners category has been renamed "call to action." Edit: Actually, I'm now not sure. Is it a resource or is it a channel for expertise? (edited)
I think it's fine where it is. I can see why moving it to resources is a good idea, but resources is less for chatting and more for wikipedia of source for info I think we shouldn't move things around too much now. Let's have a group meeting and identify what is for chatting/discussion and what is a guide/resource
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:18 AM
Should the resources category be higher up?
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oh okay
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Skullmaggot
oh okay
I'll definitely bring it up. And if anything I'll transcribe your questions and what people are saying asking for you so you can keep up with the meeting friday
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:20 AM
Thanks a ton
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Skullmaggot
Thanks a ton
thank you! I was slow to get things started because I wanted to at least talk about it, but you went ahead and did it and it's worked pretty well!
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:28 AM
I'm kind of holding off on networking with other groups until we have a mission statement drawn up and can present what we're about. The description on the subreddit is good, but I thing there ought to be more tangible goals than "reclaim patriotism."
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@Farren What did I do specifically?
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I'm kind of holding off on networking with other groups until we have a mission statement drawn up and can present what we're about. The description on the subreddit is good, but I thing there ought to be more tangible goals than "reclaim patriotism."
definitely. Goals are one of the talking points for the friday meeting. I'll be sure to bring up your concerns
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@Farren What did I do specifically?
You set up the corners. You and I talked about making a "call to action" section for people to volunteer their skills or expertise. I remember saying that we should talk about it in a group to get everyones input so we're all on the same page or we don't do it wrong I'm slow to get things together, I like to get everyone's opinion. You made it on your own and it seems to work pretty good (edited)
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 12:33 AM
@Skullmaggot Okay, thanks. Yeah, I saw a lot of people wishing to lend their expertise and wanted to make categories for that. I'm literally reading everything on the discord and making notes of what people want and what they can do. I'm not writing down everybody but only those who've put skills in their intros so far.
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@Skullmaggot Okay, thanks. Yeah, I saw a lot of people wishing to lend their expertise and wanted to make categories for that. I'm literally reading everything on the discord and making notes of what people want and what they can do. I'm not writing down everybody but only those who've put skills in their intros so far.
Yeah, that sounds great! Soon we'll soon have collective projects we'll need all the help we can get, that way when it comes to protesting and action, we'll be ready
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@Skullmaggot Okay, thanks. Yeah, I saw a lot of people wishing to lend their expertise and wanted to make categories for that. I'm literally reading everything on the discord and making notes of what people want and what they can do. I'm not writing down everybody but only those who've put skills in their intros so far.
keep up the good work 🙂
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Skullmaggot 6/30/2022 3:02 AM
@Farren Hey, so is the meeting this Friday the 1st or next Friday the 8th? (edited)
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Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 3:37 AM
Sorry for replying so late. I was at work. Seems like y'all sorted it out
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@Farren Hey, so is the meeting this Friday the 1st or next Friday the 8th? (edited)
Hopefully this Friday the 1st. We've got a couple confirmations. I'll make a post in meeting minutes to confirm if people can come or not (edited)
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Braakinthesaddle 6/30/2022 1:28 PM
This Friday the 1st will be much easier for me to make
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Dr_Diskette 6/30/2022 3:30 PM
Same
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Currently on a waterfall
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hiking?
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any @ADMIN around to help out w/sm rq? dm me- looking to help out with some discord infrastructure while I have time and while the server is still relatively small. - is per @Dr_Diskette request as they are away and I was unavailable yesterday to coordinate. (edited)
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@Skullmaggot Okay, thanks. Yeah, I saw a lot of people wishing to lend their expertise and wanted to make categories for that. I'm literally reading everything on the discord and making notes of what people want and what they can do. I'm not writing down everybody but only those who've put skills in their intros so far.
WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 4:42 PM
bless you dude, I’m thing to keep up but tbh I find discord pretty overwhelming sometimes
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bless you dude, I’m thing to keep up but tbh I find discord pretty overwhelming sometimes
I have a good deal of experience in the discord infrastructure department - suck at moderating chat tho because it's too much socially lol. this was what I wanted to talk to one of you about.
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I know I'm a bit late on this one, but I would like to add - maybe we could add a general protests channel - information on protest safetey, ideas for general aif representation, and links to organized demonstrations, rallies, etc. maybe this could go by state too? we should add a role bot (reaction roles is a good one and I can swear by its functionality) to manage this of course and then users could get what they need without so much clutter in the sidebar (an issue for mobile folks). plus then we can organize state channel visibility using roles (nest role selection channels general> select state(s) >what you would like to see for each state - and then an "all" role. just an organizational suggestion that could make growing the discord and organizing irl easier! cheers-
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WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 4:47 PM
Yeah that’s a great idea. The other admins are more familiar with discord than I am so I’d ask them in terms of what assistance is needed in terms of infrastructure @ADMIN
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just going off the sidebar and what @Dr_Diskette said. they said to ask one of you about it.
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WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 4:48 PM
Moderation is another issue but so far everyone’s been playing nice and way more on the same page than the sub’s usually godawful comments would suggest
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just going off the sidebar and what @Dr_Diskette said. they said to ask one of you about it.
WojtektheBear 6/30/2022 4:49 PM
But yeah it’s a good idea and that channel’s fine we actually have some material from 2020 I’m gonna find related to that
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mhm - at time of posting I had missed that channel. Appreciated it once I knew was there :) As far as the other stuff, it was morer server wide
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GG @Kryptik, you just advanced to level 4!
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mhm - at time of posting I had missed that channel. Appreciated it once I knew was there :) As far as the other stuff, it was morer server wide
Dr_Diskette 6/30/2022 7:18 PM
I was able to temp disable MEE6s messages for level ups
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Not much control over phone sadly
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TalkingFish 6/30/2022 9:03 PM
Could we get a roles channel to self assign roles (such as state roles)? Might be a bit tedious with just how many states there are but I feel it’d be of use
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Could we get a roles channel to self assign roles (such as state roles)? Might be a bit tedious with just how many states there are but I feel it’d be of use
Dr_Diskette 6/30/2022 9:31 PM
We are gonna do that ASAP, right now I’m out of state, so when I get back gonna go over some bot commands with some of the other discord mods
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I can fuck around with the bot on my phone but I can’t change to much sadly
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HLMenckenFan 6/30/2022 9:33 PM
Ideology roles? Like on the subreddit? Or would that make it complicated?
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Dr_Diskette 6/30/2022 9:36 PM
Maybe we will have a convo soon about the ins and outs of roles and stuff thanks for the idea however
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HLMenckenFan 6/30/2022 9:38 PM
No problem
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Organizing roles on the user status bar. It's nice to see who moderators are without having to hunt for them.
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Organizing roles on the user status bar. It's nice to see who moderators are without having to hunt for them.
Dr_Diskette 7/2/2022 2:08 PM
It was like that but it’s temporarily set like this until the role bot is done
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NordicThor_ 7/2/2022 3:09 PM
Not sure what it looks like now, but you might add the mission statement to the landing page for new participants. Once it’s finalized, obviously 👍
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ISpyFascism group needs a channel that lists fascist group symbols, dress code, flags, etc...
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ISpyFascism group needs a channel that lists fascist group symbols, dress code, flags, etc...
NordicThor_ 7/5/2022 1:14 PM
Agree! For identification AND not using the wrong shit
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ISpyFascism group needs a channel that lists fascist group symbols, dress code, flags, etc...
We must be on the same wavelength. I had the same thought yesterday and started uploading them to the design Figma file. Would be better to post them here though for sure.
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Dr_Diskette 7/5/2022 3:22 PM
I swear someone posted something like that in here
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HLMenckenFan 7/5/2022 5:06 PM
#literature channel idea for book recommendations
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Books on radical right, antifascism, history, politics, etc
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Hidden channels that only verified members have access to post and view.
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Security is crucial when performing investigations.
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Hidden channels that only verified members have access to post and view.
Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 10:12 AM
I would strongly advise against posting any kind of operationalized information or intelligence on discord at all. There needs to be another, encrypted, line of communication for sensitive operations
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Preferably end-to-end encrypted
10:13 AM
As a person who's written bots for discord and used it to datamine conservative and alt-right spaces, discord is a very soft target
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NordicThor_ 7/6/2022 10:14 AM
What options are there?
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 10:15 AM
Right now you should wait. I happen to know that there are motions in process to create encrypted communication channels for the group
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But if you're just curious about what the options are and not trying to actually take action, key base is good. Telegram is good. I've heard about some other ones but I don't know enough about them. Key base is my personal go-to
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Signal is good
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Really anything by whisper systems. Signal. Red phone. All of that stuff
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Personally though, I think key base is the bee's knees
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Doctor Eval
I would strongly advise against posting any kind of operationalized information or intelligence on discord at all. There needs to be another, encrypted, line of communication for sensitive operations
WojtektheBear 7/6/2022 12:28 PM
I don’t really think there’s a risk of posting identifying symbols or dress codes at all those types of materials are what a public facing discord like this is for. This place is supposed to be a resource/community hub so as to encourage people to make the type of connections where they would then form their own encrypted organizing servers
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I don’t really think there’s a risk of posting identifying symbols or dress codes at all those types of materials are what a public facing discord like this is for. This place is supposed to be a resource/community hub so as to encourage people to make the type of connections where they would then form their own encrypted organizing servers
Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 12:44 PM
I agree. I'm specifically referring to communications that contain operational information, such as group movements, protest planning, private intel, etc
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Doctor Eval
I agree. I'm specifically referring to communications that contain operational information, such as group movements, protest planning, private intel, etc
WojtektheBear 7/6/2022 12:51 PM
Oh for sure, feel free to DM about this sort of stuff I like where your head’s at
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Doctor Eval
Personally though, I think key base is the bee's knees
What does key base do that gives it the knees of bees?
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 7:41 PM
it's a pgp-based e2e encrypted messaging platform with encrypted groups, encrypted files, and social media identity verification via pki
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ctrlpew (CTRL+Pew) is now on Keybase, an open source app for encryption and cryptography.
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Why would you need to verify social media identities? I'm legit curious about this stuff.
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Doctor Eval 7/6/2022 7:43 PM
if you want to stay anonymous, you wouldn't use that feature - but imagine that you have an psuedonymous public identity - maybe you're somebldy like Alissa Azar - you want people to be able to easily send you encrypted information - and you you want them to be able to verify that you are actually Alissa Azar.
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follow on, you're Alissa, and you need to send an important encrypted message to someone that you've never communicated with before - they can validate your identity
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That makes sense. I'm checking it out a bit.
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This is a crazy idea I just had. So I grew up Mormon. The Mormon missionaries were annoying af but one thing they would do was go around neighborhoods and ask people if they could do service for people. Ie mowing their lawn, taking out trash, etc. (edited)
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If we really want to be the good guys, we can build a community this way. Simple things. Because you sure as hell know, the proud boys, patriot front and all those other mfrs aren’t doing anything like that.
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HLMenckenFan 7/6/2022 8:25 PM
What if we added a Twitter channel
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for social media postd
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posts
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Skullmaggot 7/6/2022 9:29 PM
@Marusya Yep! I believe that’s been brought up. We’d supposedly be connecting to communities via libraries and building good relationships with them.
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HLMenckenFan 7/6/2022 10:21 PM
Cool
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What if we added a Twitter channel
Braakinthesaddle 7/6/2022 11:39 PM
Do you mean other than @IronFrontUSA
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HLMenckenFan 7/6/2022 11:40 PM
Yes
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Just a place to share Tweets and retweets and screenshots of such
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Doctor Eval
if you want to stay anonymous, you wouldn't use that feature - but imagine that you have an psuedonymous public identity - maybe you're somebldy like Alissa Azar - you want people to be able to easily send you encrypted information - and you you want them to be able to verify that you are actually Alissa Azar.
austinwiltshire 7/6/2022 11:40 PM
Could this be useful to the admins for vetting?
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Marusya
If we really want to be the good guys, we can build a community this way. Simple things. Because you sure as hell know, the proud boys, patriot front and all those other mfrs aren’t doing anything like that.
austinwiltshire 7/6/2022 11:41 PM
Lots of affiliate groups try to focus on mutual aid so there may be groups to partner with
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HLMenckenFan 7/7/2022 12:04 AM
Anti-extremism pipeline resources?
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Marusya
If we really want to be the good guys, we can build a community this way. Simple things. Because you sure as hell know, the proud boys, patriot front and all those other mfrs aren’t doing anything like that.
Actually, some of the problem is that in some places they are doing community service, so they are well recieved
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Actually, some of the problem is that in some places they are doing community service, so they are well recieved
Interesting. I did not know that. Which groups?
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I'm at work and can't find the damn thing, but there was an article a bit back about them having some event. If I remember they had food and people could come eat or something.
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I'm at work and can't find the damn thing, but there was an article a bit back about them having some event. If I remember they had food and people could come eat or something.
That’s very interesting.
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Skullmaggot 7/7/2022 4:20 AM
People are people
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austinwiltshire 7/7/2022 11:33 AM
Per my note in psyops, this brings out the "reciprocation" factor in the book "Influence" - reciprocation is one of the most powerful ways to build influence.
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HLMenckenFan 7/8/2022 11:07 PM
What if we added a #youtube channel for people to share Youtube videos
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Skullmaggot 7/9/2022 3:58 AM
@HLMenckenFan Do you mean as resources or chill cat videos?
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HLMenckenFan 7/9/2022 8:01 AM
Resources for political content (edited)
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Marusya
If we really want to be the good guys, we can build a community this way. Simple things. Because you sure as hell know, the proud boys, patriot front and all those other mfrs aren’t doing anything like that.
Deleted User 7/9/2022 10:36 AM
What will separate us from the rest of will be being outward facing members of the communities we all live in
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Having a positive presence helps us move beyond being seen as just some radicals who only show up when shit gets bad and then leave.
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☝☝☝ This needs to be the bottom line. They are the ones who need to cover their faces, not us. And if we are going to be 'outward facing' then we need to conduct ourselves with discipline. The optics of Antifa are not good rn, there are plenty of moderates and leftists who think any organized efforts against fascism are filled with angry idiots who just want to beat people up. Yes, beat Nazis up, but nevertheless, the optics is that anti-fascists are also trouble makers. I'm not saying bow down to that, and let's pacify our efforts so we "don't look bad". But being aware and conscientious of the optics is vital to recruitment and overall success. We have to be disciplined. If anyone here is going to do something that isn't... legal... then please do it anonymously and don't signify yourself as Iron Front. It will only hurt us.
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Skullmaggot 7/10/2022 11:14 AM
@HLMenckenFan #youtube channel created.
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 1:01 PM
We need a channel to discuss our platforms
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@TheAnonymousDew what platforms?
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 2:12 PM
I mean as in to decide what we believe in
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I mean as in to decide what we believe in
Dr_Diskette 7/10/2022 2:14 PM
#what-we-stand-for
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TheAnonymousDew 7/10/2022 2:15 PM
Oh
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Thanks
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☝☝☝ This needs to be the bottom line. They are the ones who need to cover their faces, not us. And if we are going to be 'outward facing' then we need to conduct ourselves with discipline. The optics of Antifa are not good rn, there are plenty of moderates and leftists who think any organized efforts against fascism are filled with angry idiots who just want to beat people up. Yes, beat Nazis up, but nevertheless, the optics is that anti-fascists are also trouble makers. I'm not saying bow down to that, and let's pacify our efforts so we "don't look bad". But being aware and conscientious of the optics is vital to recruitment and overall success. We have to be disciplined. If anyone here is going to do something that isn't... legal... then please do it anonymously and don't signify yourself as Iron Front. It will only hurt us.
austinwiltshire 7/10/2022 5:25 PM
I'm seeing black bloc work its results here in Dallas. I don't think there needs to be any belief one way or another on staying anonymous. Some people are willing to risk getting doxxed, others are not. No judgement from me.
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Probs a voicechat ig
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Maybe community events on the server too
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Heck, maybe a Minecraft server, probs either vanilla or modded. Ik a few other discord servers similar to ours that do the same thing; the Pirate Party and the Liberation Caucus of the Libertarian Party just to name a few
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I'm seeing black bloc work its results here in Dallas. I don't think there needs to be any belief one way or another on staying anonymous. Some people are willing to risk getting doxxed, others are not. No judgement from me.
WojtektheBear 7/10/2022 6:18 PM
Yeah obviously being a big ten decentralized org we are open to a diversity of tactics and approaches based on local context and individual preferences. Being agile in that way is a strength for us
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That said an AIF pack on a chest rig during an armed march would look based as fuck
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YourFriendlyNeighborhoodHacker 7/10/2022 9:19 PM
Hey, @ADMIN - Would you consider taking a moment to reflect on the high volume of "@ here" and "@ everyone" usage on the server, and whether it fits your aims and goals appropriately? I seem to have 4-6 tags on this server every time I look at Discord. They are frequently totally irrelevant to me, personally. For example, it was used today in the Massachusetts channel, however I assume the majority of us are not in the Mass. area. It may be that this is just how it has to go, but I suspect people will just start muting channels or the server, become less involved, etc. etc. Thank you for your consideration.
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Hey, @ADMIN - Would you consider taking a moment to reflect on the high volume of "@ here" and "@ everyone" usage on the server, and whether it fits your aims and goals appropriately? I seem to have 4-6 tags on this server every time I look at Discord. They are frequently totally irrelevant to me, personally. For example, it was used today in the Massachusetts channel, however I assume the majority of us are not in the Mass. area. It may be that this is just how it has to go, but I suspect people will just start muting channels or the server, become less involved, etc. etc. Thank you for your consideration.
NordicThor_ 7/10/2022 10:08 PM
I think I may have found a solution, but I’m not sure. If you go into the settings of the channel (for mobile, press and hold the channel name in the left menu) and go to notification settings. I think you can mute notifications there but the channel will still show up white when people are talking. All just a theory though
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@ADMIN anyone with more experience know if that would work?
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oldfuzybear 7/10/2022 10:10 PM
That does work but what we need is people to not abuse the @ aliases to spam people.
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NordicThor_ 7/10/2022 10:10 PM
True
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oldfuzybear 7/10/2022 10:10 PM
Offenders are going to be spike. To.
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Dr_Diskette 7/10/2022 10:10 PM
Could do it as for example @ Massachusetts, or maybe creating role specific things like @ graphic designers
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oldfuzybear 7/10/2022 10:10 PM
God autocorrect. People will be spoken to
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Could do it as for example @ Massachusetts, or maybe creating role specific things like @ graphic designers
NordicThor_ 7/10/2022 10:11 PM
That’s an idea. That way people could “subscribe” to a channel
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oldfuzybear 7/10/2022 10:11 PM
Trying not to make a big change when it is a few people.
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Agreed
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Still getting the hang of Discord.
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Still getting the hang of Discord.
NordicThor_ 7/10/2022 10:12 PM
Same haha
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oldfuzybear
Offenders are going to be spike. To.
Offenders are admin lol
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oldfuzybear 7/10/2022 10:19 PM
I know.
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The flogging will begin until@compliance is achieved. 😁
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oldfuzybear
That does work but what we need is people to not abuse the @ aliases to spam people.
The @ symbol is used too often which causes users to mute server notifications.
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Channel descriptions or pinned messages? I think they’re needed on the introductions channel amongst others
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Like what constitutes a researcher on #researchers
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Skullmaggot 7/11/2022 12:05 AM
I’m unfortunately public enemy no. 1, so I’ll stop spamming @‘s.
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/11/2022 8:09 AM
@Skullmaggot some people including myself are having issues getting into the server. I think the verification process has some hiccups.
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@Skullmaggot some people including myself are having issues getting into the server. I think the verification process has some hiccups.
Skullmaggot 7/11/2022 11:34 AM
Okay. We need to communicate that to @Dr_Diskette and @Kryptik. I don’t understand verification myself.
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Black Magic 7/12/2022 12:40 AM
Channels arn't properly assigned to categories
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Channels arn't properly assigned to categories
NordicThor_ 7/12/2022 12:47 AM
Have any examples?
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Idea: a channel for disinformation we observe the extreme right employing, and strategies to inoculate our communities from the disinfo
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Idea: a channel for disinformation we observe the extreme right employing, and strategies to inoculate our communities from the disinfo
Skullmaggot 7/12/2022 1:27 AM
I think #psyops may fit that.
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Idea: a channel for disinformation we observe the extreme right employing, and strategies to inoculate our communities from the disinfo
Deleted User 7/12/2022 9:32 AM
me and a few others are discussing meme warfare for this exact reason
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in #psyops
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Question: what stops someone from making a fake account and returning after a ban?
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Not a lot
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NordicThor_ 7/12/2022 2:53 PM
A random thought: we should encourage people to include their preferred pronouns in their introductions
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obviously not required, but could be good to know what people prefer
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obviously not required, but could be good to know what people prefer
WojtektheBear 7/12/2022 2:56 PM
And foster an environment where people feel comfortable and safe doing so
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HLMenckenFan 7/12/2022 4:14 PM
Indeed
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Who decides promotions to staff? I see folks becoming admin but have not seen any discussions from membership.
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Who decides promotions to staff? I see folks becoming admin but have not seen any discussions from membership.
thechromatograph3r 7/13/2022 7:49 AM
Probably happens in mod team channels that we can’t see
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Probably happens in mod team channels that we can’t see
I'm aware of hidden channels, I just want to know their process.
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If we are pro-democracy, I believe we should align with those beliefs in this group.
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Updates on changes maybe? Or things in the works?
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Some transparency
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NordicThor_ 7/13/2022 8:23 AM
A couple mods and I are working on getting a values/ideals survey together. Our intent at this point is to have anyone and everyone in the server fill this out so that the mission statement and group as a whole is reflective of the members’ shared ideals. I should also note that /this is not considered the “HQ” of the AIF. The admins who created this can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the intent in creating this server was to provide a safe space to connect with others of similar mindsets and exchange resources and ideas to further the cause of preventing (or ending) fascist rule.
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NordicThor_ 7/13/2022 8:30 AM
Essentially, any admins and mods are here to make sure that the server remains safe for those who wish to use it, not tell you what to do in your community. In my mind, this would be a GREAT place for LOCAL AIF leaders to meet and discuss strategies and failures. Go create your own chapter and lead it how you want! The only reason I would stop you is if your chapter for some reason started acting like PB or some shit
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NordicThor_ 7/13/2022 8:47 AM
I’ll also say that transparency is something that is highly valued among admin. I believe that’s one of the biggest reasons we now have the wall of shame. We suspected someone was attempting to infiltrate or simply troll. Admin discussed removal of this person for probably an hour, then took a vote. When it was done, admin discussed posting the decision and reasoning for the entire server. It was agreed upon that it’s best for transparency and just good information sharing in general. And so goes the birth of the #wall-of-shame
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The wall of shame could also be a sign of accomplishment to some. It can be glorified by those trying to disrupt the group.
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NordicThor_ 7/13/2022 8:59 AM
You’re probably right, but are we going to let those people dictate what we do here?
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No, we won't. You don't need a wall to stop it and it's definitely not going to prevent it either. To shame someone requires someone to actually feel shame in what they are doing.
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If anything, it will be a goal for others as the word gets out about it.
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NordicThor_
A couple mods and I are working on getting a values/ideals survey together. Our intent at this point is to have anyone and everyone in the server fill this out so that the mission statement and group as a whole is reflective of the members’ shared ideals. I should also note that /this is not considered the “HQ” of the AIF. The admins who created this can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the intent in creating this server was to provide a safe space to connect with others of similar mindsets and exchange resources and ideas to further the cause of preventing (or ending) fascist rule.
thechromatograph3r 7/13/2022 9:39 AM
In a server that @Nomad and I moderate, we have a brief survey that we give new people to assess what they’re values are and what they want to get out of the group.
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I’ll also say that transparency is something that is highly valued among admin. I believe that’s one of the biggest reasons we now have the wall of shame. We suspected someone was attempting to infiltrate or simply troll. Admin discussed removal of this person for probably an hour, then took a vote. When it was done, admin discussed posting the decision and reasoning for the entire server. It was agreed upon that it’s best for transparency and just good information sharing in general. And so goes the birth of the #wall-of-shame
thechromatograph3r 7/13/2022 9:40 AM
Walls of shame are fun(ny), though
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In a server that @Nomad and I moderate, we have a brief survey that we give new people to assess what they’re values are and what they want to get out of the group.
NordicThor_ 7/13/2022 10:09 AM
Yeah, that’s what I’m working on with a few others at the moment 👍
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Yeah, that’s what I’m working on with a few others at the moment 👍
thechromatograph3r 7/13/2022 10:33 AM
Do you want ours as a go-by?
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Do you want ours as a go-by?
NordicThor_ 7/13/2022 10:35 AM
Couldn’t hurt. I came up with a decent amount of questions yesterday, but I’m sure there are things in yours that would translate well
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Do you want ours as a go-by?
Deleted User 7/14/2022 9:22 AM
As one of the people working on it, I'd like that very much
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No need to reinvent the wheel completely
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As one of the people working on it, I'd like that very much
thechromatograph3r 7/14/2022 9:35 AM
I sent a copy to @NordicThor_. Make sure the other mods have it
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Deleted User 7/14/2022 9:35 AM
Ok cool
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Have any examples?
Black Magic 7/14/2022 4:46 PM
If you try to minimize the categories you'll still see all of the channels; because the channels aren't properly assigned to their intended categories.
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Server admin can just drag and drop the chanels into the header to put them into the right category
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Are we opening the Discord up to the reddit yet? Or by DMs?
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It’s sorta already open isn’t it?
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Skullmaggot 7/16/2022 5:01 PM
I don't think we've got blanket permission to open it up yet. I don't know what the conversation is with the reddit.
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HLMenckenFan 7/16/2022 10:38 PM
I would message the moderators about it
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through modmail
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They respond within a day or so
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thechromatograph3r 7/17/2022 11:04 AM
@Eightman @Ozzy7 @Skullmaggot I mean, if you want “secure” comms, then Discord ain’t it. We might as well openly advertise this server on the subreddit. Hell, I’d encourage it. The more people, the better.
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@Eightman @Ozzy7 @Skullmaggot I mean, if you want “secure” comms, then Discord ain’t it. We might as well openly advertise this server on the subreddit. Hell, I’d encourage it. The more people, the better.
Skullmaggot 7/17/2022 11:11 AM
Discord is not secure. We suggest using encrypted messaging apps like Element or Telegram if you’d like to set up secure conversations.
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Discord is not secure. We suggest using encrypted messaging apps like Element or Telegram if you’d like to set up secure conversations.
thechromatograph3r 7/17/2022 11:15 AM
That’s my point
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@Eightman @Ozzy7 @Skullmaggot I mean, if you want “secure” comms, then Discord ain’t it. We might as well openly advertise this server on the subreddit. Hell, I’d encourage it. The more people, the better.
WojtektheBear 7/18/2022 3:30 PM
You have no idea the moderation problem you’re inviting with this
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Maybe when we have a more robust team set up but the influx in users particularly ones who won’t be team players and/or lurkers will grow a lot
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Maybe when we have a more robust team set up but the influx in users particularly ones who won’t be team players and/or lurkers will grow a lot
thechromatograph3r 7/18/2022 4:24 PM
100%
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RaiseRuntimeError 7/18/2022 5:13 PM
This idea should probably extend to the reddit sub also but r/AntifascistsofReddit has a "Direct Action" flair for direct action against fascism like fighting propaganda and getting people registered to vote, protesting. I think something like that could be helpful. It could be a channel where people can talk about what they have done to kind of brag about what they did or where others can get ideas on what they could do to help.
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joe hill’s revenge 7/18/2022 10:14 PM
Vc role (edited)
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HLMenckenFan 7/18/2022 10:39 PM
Good idea
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You have no idea the moderation problem you’re inviting with this
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"Notice: these roles will make their corresponding text channels visible in order to streamline communications and clean up the sidebar. (currently under construction)"
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Would you guys like some help with construction?
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Maybe when we have a more robust team set up but the influx in users particularly ones who won’t be team players and/or lurkers will grow a lot
Doctor Eval 7/23/2022 2:56 AM
Discord is actively monitored by the feds, ever since Buffalo shooter (edited)
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not like the feds care if someone is stirring the pot though
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not like the feds care if someone is stirring the pot though
Doctor Eval 7/23/2022 3:00 AM
They do when it's leftists
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They don't give a shit about rightoids, but they stomp on liberals
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Boot licking fascist pigs
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All I'm saying is that I don't think they're gonna be much help moderating this server
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Your opinions on them isnt all that relevant to this imo
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Doctor Eval 7/23/2022 3:02 AM
Oh. I was under the impression we were taking about secure comms
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Oh my bad then
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You mean like DMs then?
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Doctor Eval 7/23/2022 3:03 AM
I don't know, maybe I misread the context. https://c.tenor.com/dujrW61Bbg0AAAAM/elmo-shrug.gif
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My read of it is that the person said that discord isn't secure comms, the next said you need a robust team to deal with more people, then you brought up how discord is overwatched by feds (edited)
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C.J.
Would you guys like some help with construction?
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Idea: Pronoun roles
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Idea: Pronoun roles
Great idea, I would be 100% willing to implement that personally, and I can't see why other mods would disagree (edited)
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thechromatograph3r 8/7/2022 1:22 PM
I just put mine in my bio
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Great idea, I would be 100% willing to implement that personally, and I can't see why other mods would disagree (edited)
WojtektheBear 8/7/2022 8:56 PM
We’re good do that
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Hey can someone make a new invite link for the discord? I had some folks on Reddit with interest in joining but they said the link from the last post didn't work
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Maybe we can get the invite process stickied on the sidebar or something too
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Hey can someone make a new invite link for the discord? I had some folks on Reddit with interest in joining but they said the link from the last post didn't work
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Permanent link, never expires
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Awesome. Thanks!
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BubsyFanboy 8/25/2022 4:05 AM
Idea: a fascist fails channel, to document all the failed attempts and overall display the stupid side of them Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/wwzjf9/nazis_training_for_war_patriot_front_leaked_tapes/
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BubsyFanboy 8/25/2022 8:46 AM
Speaking of the footage though, I know we shouldn't underestimate them since they are still fascists, but it is still funny to see how primitive their tactics really are
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Literally Roman tactics would be superior.
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These are not Roman tactics, this loose shambling around and trying to do running around like they're doing some show for a football game.
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Idea: a fascist fails channel, to document all the failed attempts and overall display the stupid side of them Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/wwzjf9/nazis_training_for_war_patriot_front_leaked_tapes/
I don't really think there's gonna be a lot of activity in that channel, I could be totally wrong though. Maybe some other people could weigh in?
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Honestly, #memes
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Honestly, #memes
BubsyFanboy 8/26/2022 3:19 AM
Not sure if raw footage of Patriot Front failing to look properly organized there would be considered a meme
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Speaking of the footage though, I know we shouldn't underestimate them since they are still fascists, but it is still funny to see how primitive their tactics really are
Their tactics are primitive because they are expecting/planning for the police to back them up almost immediately if they are attacked. Which generally happens. These goons show up, attack leftists, and then if anyone fights back the police pepper spray/rubber bullets/beanbag/teargas them because tHeY wErE rIOtiNg
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Until the leftist protestors show up armed It's not a total guarantee but the armed leftist protection groups co-marching with the protester tend force the police to not pepper spray/tear gas everywhere.
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austinwiltshire 8/26/2022 8:50 PM
Scared the police away in Dallas.
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Until the leftist protestors show up armed It's not a total guarantee but the armed leftist protection groups co-marching with the protester tend force the police to not pepper spray/tear gas everywhere.
thechromatograph3r 8/28/2022 11:55 AM
Honestly, THIS. I’m fucking tired of seeing these pathetic protesters getting fucked up my police because they didn’t come strapped.
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I mean there's a lot of organization and trust required to show up strapped, and in some states it's likely to get you picked up pretty immediately by the police. Not saying people shouldn't do it, but definitely important to do it right.
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That's why it's so important to have leftists training together, because that builds the trust & skills & discipline to go to a peaceful protest armed and still keep it peaceful
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Honestly, THIS. I’m fucking tired of seeing these pathetic protesters getting fucked up my police because they didn’t come strapped.
To be frank, I think this IS dependent on city and area too. CA protests haven't been broken up too much overall (it helps even the locals dislike the cops in a lot of LA county areas and in LA particular, the protestors are weirdly good with impromptu weaponry. Namely fireworks. Weirdly a lot of fireworks. In texas and other GOP lead states, definitely come armed. Those chucklefucks deserve to have armed protest because of their shenanigans. But I argue there needs to be a armed group for every protest group acting as security/insurance so no fash gets ideas without consequences.
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Maybe make a new channel to post pics of flyers/ stickers placed?
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Maybe make a new channel to post pics of flyers/ stickers placed?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's the purpose of #streetlamp-make-over
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actually yea
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i guess i need to read that channel more
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BubsyFanboy 9/10/2022 5:33 AM
Can we have a seperate channel for Ukraine-Russia war discussions? If the war comes to a close, we can always repurpose it to some other international war.
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I don't want to keep clogging up #politics-royale.
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Can we have a seperate channel for Ukraine-Russia war discussions? If the war comes to a close, we can always repurpose it to some other international war.
Skullmaggot 9/10/2022 11:59 AM
Okie dokie
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Okie dokie
BubsyFanboy 9/10/2022 12:05 PM
Thank you
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Skullmaggot 9/13/2022 5:58 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xoL5hSt9IyQ I’m going to be ramping up but I also want to have ways to get out of an AIF mode and just relax. I believe @joe hill’s revenge and @JohnBrosGhost suggested a movie night, and I’m going to make a Taking It Easy category. Any suggestions for channels/activities? Movies or even a D&D group seem pretty good.
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WojtektheBear 9/13/2022 7:51 PM
Inglorious Basterds or something like that would be cool
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Skullmaggot 9/13/2022 8:30 PM
Haven’t watched it yet! We’ll probably make a whole damn list!
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My day job, for the moment, is making educational video content for an Apache Software Foundation project. Would anyone like to collaborate on something we could put out together, maybe for internal use like orientation materials, "What is fascism?" level stuff, or opsec basics? Maybe eventually get up to "Bootstrapping your local IF org"?
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My day job, for the moment, is making educational video content for an Apache Software Foundation project. Would anyone like to collaborate on something we could put out together, maybe for internal use like orientation materials, "What is fascism?" level stuff, or opsec basics? Maybe eventually get up to "Bootstrapping your local IF org"?
Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 8:29 PM
Hi, try reposting this on #what-we-can-do-right-now for more visibility.
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My day job, for the moment, is making educational video content for an Apache Software Foundation project. Would anyone like to collaborate on something we could put out together, maybe for internal use like orientation materials, "What is fascism?" level stuff, or opsec basics? Maybe eventually get up to "Bootstrapping your local IF org"?
Skullmaggot 9/15/2022 8:34 PM
Also, this is a “project” idea, so you are free to pull skilled people (skills are on the introductions channel) to come help you, or we could definitely discuss and I can send you people and resources.
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Thanks. That helped me understand how to use this discord to take a next step.
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HLMenckenFan 9/23/2022 5:33 PM
What if we had a channel showcasing fascist propaganda online? (edited)
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i already do that with PF propaganda for the state channels, but that does seem like a cool idea
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What if we had a channel showcasing fascist propaganda online? (edited)
joe hill’s revenge 9/26/2022 4:45 PM
#fascists-online
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joe hill’s revenge 9/26/2022 7:45 PM
Would anyone participate in regular reading or political discussion groups
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Would anyone participate in regular reading or political discussion groups
Skullmaggot 9/26/2022 9:04 PM
Could you elaborate? You mean more book club-esque stuff?
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joe hill’s revenge 9/26/2022 10:59 PM
Book club or discussion of videos and articles
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I’m listening to “we are proud boys” and I think it should be required reading for aif people
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we should have a gaming channel.
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Skullmaggot 9/27/2022 1:25 AM
@zim iron-front-gaming near #dnd ? (edited)
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@zim iron-front-gaming near #dnd ? (edited)
yeah
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seems like a good placement
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Skullmaggot 9/27/2022 1:26 AM
Feel free to run a one-shot or something!
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but i dont do dnd online
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but i could try (edited)
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and learn
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having sessions could be fun
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because most anti fascists i know (including myself) are quite depressed.
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because our eyes are open to the dark truths of the world.
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so we need distractions more then most
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for this reason
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i recommend the game "thenewcampaigntrail" its good fun
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with plenty of user made scenarios
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@zim iron-front-gaming near #dnd ? (edited)
is that what it will be called?
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the gaming channel should not be VC
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the gaming channel should not be VC
Skullmaggot 9/27/2022 2:20 AM
What do you mean? You mean just a text channel?
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What do you mean? You mean just a text channel?
yes, i was refering to a text channel, with maybe a livestream channel along side it.
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yes, i was refering to a text channel, with maybe a livestream channel along side it.
Skullmaggot 9/27/2022 3:23 PM
I’m still a Discord noob. I’m not aware of a way to stream from a text chat channel. You can livestream from a voice chat channel, and there’s an open chat associated with it. Is that what you mean, or is there a different configuration?
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I’m still a Discord noob. I’m not aware of a way to stream from a text chat channel. You can livestream from a voice chat channel, and there’s an open chat associated with it. Is that what you mean, or is there a different configuration?
i mean you should have both.
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because most anti fascists i know (including myself) are quite depressed.
joe hill’s revenge 9/27/2022 6:32 PM
I’m not depressed, I’m just sad all the time and feel worthless… oh wait
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does this server do partnerships?
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Skullmaggot 9/27/2022 11:56 PM
@zim I think we’re open to adding new mods if there’s things you think we’re missing. I don’t know how to do a lot and could use help. I don’t know about partnerships though, if I understand what that is. Did you want to mod? (edited)
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@zim I think we’re open to adding new mods if there’s things you think we’re missing. I don’t know how to do a lot and could use help. I don’t know about partnerships though, if I understand what that is. Did you want to mod? (edited)
you want to add me as mod? ill take it if you want a mod.
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i have spare time on my hands
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you want to add me as mod? ill take it if you want a mod.
Skullmaggot 9/28/2022 12:06 AM
Yeah, I'll just have to ask other admins.
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im good at creating channels.
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but terrible with perms
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Yeah, I'll just have to ask other admins.
okay
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Yeah, I'll just have to ask other admins.
how is the process going?
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So....I'm not sure if this would be a good idea, but possibly a sub-grouping for Hate crime reporting?
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So....I'm not sure if this would be a good idea, but possibly a sub-grouping for Hate crime reporting?
good idea
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is there a way too get a partnership?
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So....I'm not sure if this would be a good idea, but possibly a sub-grouping for Hate crime reporting?
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 11:46 PM
wdym?
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is there a way too get a partnership?
Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 11:47 PM
what are the pros/cons for partnership? Especially in terms of security?
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what are the pros/cons for partnership? Especially in terms of security?
it would just be a one way one
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so no threats here
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just me offering too partner a server or teo that are fun
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because people here are depressed by the reality of things
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Skullmaggot 10/2/2022 11:53 PM
Designed for active and engaged communities, the Partner Program distinguishes the best servers out there. Get rewarded for creating an engaged community with our Partner Program!
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Or this?
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no
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just me sending an invite
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you put it in a special channel
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ping peopke abot and and vhuala
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how is the progress on the partnership going?
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how is the progress on the partnership going?
Personally, I feel that if people want to join that server, they can. But I don't think this server should be directly promoting other servers unless they have similar missions. (edited)
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Personally, I feel that if people want to join that server, they can. But I don't think this server should be directly promoting other servers unless they have similar missions. (edited)
yeah, though all my best members are from here, and many have expressed interest in off topic things for fun.
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yeah, though all my best members are from here, and many have expressed interest in off topic things for fun.
Skullmaggot 10/4/2022 6:41 PM
I think it’d be better if we were to partner with a lot of similar Discords and then partner with less similar ones. Not everything we do here is so serious, but a large 9:1 ratio would be. Serious partnerships and connections do take time, I’m finding.
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I think it’d be better if we were to partner with a lot of similar Discords and then partner with less similar ones. Not everything we do here is so serious, but a large 9:1 ratio would be. Serious partnerships and connections do take time, I’m finding.
yeah. though an ad for my server would be fine
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yeah. though an ad for my server would be fine
Skullmaggot 10/4/2022 6:45 PM
Yeah, and I’m already trying to reach out to other servers…it is a little slow, sorry :/
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Yeah, and I’m already trying to reach out to other servers…it is a little slow, sorry :/
so can i get the ad?
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so can i get the ad?
Skullmaggot 10/4/2022 6:49 PM
Would you be able to wait until I can speak with the other Discords I want to try partnering with? I want to get the more similar to us ones first just for the sake of how it’ll look.
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Would you be able to wait until I can speak with the other Discords I want to try partnering with? I want to get the more similar to us ones first just for the sake of how it’ll look.
sure
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but its still worth recommending people
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maybe a channel for posting spray paint art?
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maybe a channel for posting spray paint art?
Skullmaggot 10/28/2022 1:43 AM
Which category, you think? ispyfascism?
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no i mean we do like street lamp makeover
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no i mean we do like street lamp makeover
Skullmaggot 10/28/2022 8:34 PM
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no i mean we do like street lamp makeover
#spray-replay
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Needs a better name…
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Request for new channel in "Other" section: Blogs and Zines (or something like that)
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a place to post blog and zine submissions and discuss technicals (edited)
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Another Request! a channel in "Taking It Easy" section: Gardening
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a place to discuss growing food
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 11/22/2022 12:54 PM
sounds nice
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@ADMIN @Moderator is it cool if I do a privacy and security audit of this discord?
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Request for new channel in "Other" section: Blogs and Zines (or something like that)
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joe hill’s revenge 11/24/2022 3:57 PM
Add a fashion and history section
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joe hill’s revenge
Add a fashion and history section
Together, or apart? lol
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joe hill’s revenge 11/25/2022 11:52 PM
Separate
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Separate
k. also be sure to @ me so I see responses.
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Oh, also, what category, Off topic or Taking it easy?
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joe hill’s revenge 11/26/2022 10:28 PM
Either or
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k. also be sure to @ me so I see responses.
joe hill’s revenge 11/26/2022 10:28 PM
I don’t want to harass u with notifications
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I don’t want to harass u with notifications
I don't feel harassed. I need notifications to keep organized. I haven't had time to channel surf, so I need notifications to know people are trying to communicate with me.
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Are you specifically talking about fascist/antifascist fashion?
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joe hill’s revenge 11/26/2022 10:31 PM
Just fashion in general (edited)
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Skullmaggot 11/27/2022 9:59 PM
k, I think I'll put history in resources and fashion in taking it easy (edited)
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Any chance we could get a server announcement stating we're looking for volunteers for the zine? I'd like to get a headcount and start putting the plan into action
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Any chance we could get a server announcement stating we're looking for volunteers for the zine? I'd like to get a headcount and start putting the plan into action
hey, if you want to draft somethinng I can send it out. Sorry for the late response
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hey, if you want to draft somethinng I can send it out. Sorry for the late response
You're good. Currently in school so I'll get you something in a few hours if that's alright
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hey, if you want to draft somethinng I can send it out. Sorry for the late response
Hello everyone! I’m putting on a meeting for the creation of a zine at 11am and 2pm EST on Saturday, where we will discuss the name of the zine, how often we will put out issues, what sort of content we will put into the zine, and discussing jobs of people who wish to help. If you’re interested feel free to reach out to me through a DM, or join in on the meeting tomorrow! -Envy, Zine Project Lead How's this? Any changes you want me to make? (edited)
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joe hill’s revenge 12/3/2022 1:05 AM
If team USA goes to the final@game, host a watch party?
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Hello everyone! I’m putting on a meeting for the creation of a zine at 11am and 2pm EST on Saturday, where we will discuss the name of the zine, how often we will put out issues, what sort of content we will put into the zine, and discussing jobs of people who wish to help. If you’re interested feel free to reach out to me through a DM, or join in on the meeting tomorrow! -Envy, Zine Project Lead How's this? Any changes you want me to make? (edited)
Next Saturday you mean
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I'm sorry I missed the chance for today
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Next Saturday you mean
You're fine! Next Saturday would work, I had a few coming today but some stuff came up on my end
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I think the role reaction for AZ is messed up. It appears to be the same as it is for Alaska.
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I think the role reaction for AZ is messed up. It appears to be the same as it is for Alaska.
Hey let me look into this, also if there's any channels you want me to manually add you to I can do that too while I fix the autorole (edited)
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Hey let me look into this, also if there's any channels you want me to manually add you to I can do that too while I fix the autorole (edited)
I dunno. Anything AZ related if I am not already??
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I dunno. Anything AZ related if I am not already??
No, all areas pretty much does it
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No, all areas pretty much does it
Can I DM you with an idea or do you prefer it here?
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CopperTop
Can I DM you with an idea or do you prefer it here?
Doesn't matter to me
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@CopperTop any update?
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Sorry. Life kind of fucking exploded.
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I’ll get back with you when my head is on straight.
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Don't worry about it at all. I was just making sure you hadn't fogotten
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Bendr_Bones M.S. (He/Him) 12/16/2022 10:45 PM
My particular interest and call to activism is theocratic fascism. If there is a space on here for discussing how to counter theocracy, I can contribute in some helpful ways.
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@Skullmaggot you seem like the right person here?
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@Skullmaggot you seem like the right person here?
Skullmaggot 12/19/2022 5:01 PM
Sure
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Sure
Well, I wasn't really asking you to take immediate action, just talk to bender_bones
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Well, I wasn't really asking you to take immediate action, just talk to bender_bones
Skullmaggot 12/19/2022 8:20 PM
I messaged them.
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joe hill’s revenge 12/19/2022 8:57 PM
Include a vent or similar channel for random chit chat
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Include a vent or similar channel for random chit chat
Skullmaggot 12/19/2022 9:54 PM
Like the general chat, lol? That’s usually pretty ventful.
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I messaged them.
Great thats what I meant to thanks
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 8:43 AM
I’ve got an idea. We should set some tangible monthly or even quarterly goal. Something like X amount of flyers and stickers put up, or X amount of member friends invited
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Something easy yet still useful like that
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
I’ve got an idea. We should set some tangible monthly or even quarterly goal. Something like X amount of flyers and stickers put up, or X amount of member friends invited
Skullmaggot 1/5/2023 1:30 PM
I agree that metrics are important. I’ve been holding off on the numbers because that’s added pressure for what we’ve just started. It might be better to simply record metrics first rather than set goals. It would also be good to discuss your underlying reason for such to see if we can get what you’re looking for in a different way.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/5/2023 1:38 PM
Just something to encourage more action beyond the discord.
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AvoidOblivion 1/7/2023 11:31 AM
Idea: Create a “books” channel under the “Taking It Easy” category. Users can discuss books, comics, magazines, etc. #literature seems to be more for AIF-related literature, rather than literature in general.
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Idea: Create a “books” channel under the “Taking It Easy” category. Users can discuss books, comics, magazines, etc. #literature seems to be more for AIF-related literature, rather than literature in general.
Skullmaggot 1/7/2023 11:51 PM
Okie dokie
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When we share the link to the server, it says "Discord" twice, because the name has "Discord" at the end of it
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/10/2023 2:30 PM
I feel like we should include how someone found us in the introduction template (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
I feel like we should include how someone found us in the introduction template (edited)
AIF Cuirassier regiment 1/10/2023 2:56 PM
that's actually a really good idea
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
I feel like we should include how someone found us in the introduction template (edited)
Yeah I like that too
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
I feel like we should include how someone found us in the introduction template (edited)
Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 10:29 PM
I was worried when we'd get to that cheesy point, but I'll ask C.J.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/10/2023 10:30 PM
It’s important. it shows how many people are getting recommendations from friends, from the subreddit, elsewhere, etc
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It’s important. it shows how many people are getting recommendations from friends, from the subreddit, elsewhere, etc
Skullmaggot 1/10/2023 10:43 PM
Oh, I know it's important. I was wondering when people would point it out. (This is fine, but I also worry about being "too organized" and adding metrics to everything. I don't know if that's always a good thing because measurements might make things too mechanical.) (edited)
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I was worried when we'd get to that cheesy point, but I'll ask C.J.
I feel like it's a bit cheesy. But I'm open to it. A topic for discussion definitely
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Bendr_Bones M.S. (He/Him)
My particular interest and call to activism is theocratic fascism. If there is a space on here for discussing how to counter theocracy, I can contribute in some helpful ways.
𖤐 𝕊𝕒𝕘𝕖 𖤐 1/11/2023 5:15 PM
What the hell is theocratic fascism??-
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𖤐 𝕊𝕒𝕘𝕖 𖤐
What the hell is theocratic fascism??-
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/11/2023 5:16 PM
Fascism with a side of religious fanaticism.
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𖤐 𝕊𝕒𝕘𝕖 𖤐 1/11/2023 5:17 PM
So like Matt Walsh?
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/11/2023 5:17 PM
Precisely.
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𖤐 𝕊𝕒𝕘𝕖 𖤐 1/11/2023 5:17 PM
he has that in his twitter bio
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 1/11/2023 5:19 PM
There's a quote from Hellsing (great anime btw.) that perfectly sums them up. "You've quit serving God. You're only serving his power."
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Fascism with a side of religious fanaticism.
AarborneDivision 1/12/2023 11:08 AM
Grew up with a lot of this. The organized version of it is Seven Mountains Dominionism, where churches will take on the role of "training" children to "sieze" what they consider to be "strongholds" of demonic energy. Namely media, education, and government. The strain I grew up with tends to believe that the apocalypse is imminent and that it's the job of the church to sieze government positions to make America righteous enough to be saved from judgement. I got out right around the time Trump came to power, but I still see people posting about how Trump will have a messianic return to lead America into the end times. It's basically what Daesh believes, just with a Christian coat of paint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology
Dominion theology, also known as dominionism, is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation that is governed by Christians and based on their understandings of biblical law. Extents of rule and ways of acquiring governing authority are varied. For example, dominion theology can include theonomy but does not necessa...
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Bendr_Bones M.S. (He/Him)
My particular interest and call to activism is theocratic fascism. If there is a space on here for discussing how to counter theocracy, I can contribute in some helpful ways.
The Muslims had a pretty solid method of dealing with that brand of fascism.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 1/14/2023 11:55 AM
could we have a “countermeasures” channel specifically dedicated to discussion of counteracting fascist action and rhetoric?
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i wanna post what i see in WLM channels there for discussion and stuff and i can’t think of a good channel here for that
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i wanna post what i see in WLM channels there for discussion and stuff and i can’t think of a good channel here for that
Skullmaggot 1/16/2023 5:39 PM
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Feedback on the server: There are a lot of channels, and it feels a little overwhelming at times navigating the menu.
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each channel should at least have a pinned message and/or description indicating what its for some have it but not all
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/1/2023 11:56 AM
After a month, I feel like we should prune people who haven’t been accepted as a member. Gives us a more accurate number of people who are actually interested in the group in the first place
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
After a month, I feel like we should prune people who haven’t been accepted as a member. Gives us a more accurate number of people who are actually interested in the group in the first place
Skullmaggot 2/1/2023 10:59 PM
I believe we wanted to automate that, but I'm not familiar with bots, and I think the mods are busy with intros and modding. Some people duck out for a couple months and then come back, though, or get more involved if people get more involved with them. For instance, I think 444aidan is lurking 🙂 and just needs to be engaged with more.
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I could definitely look into a bot. And we wouldn't ban people, just kick them. And leave a disclaimer so they know it will happen if they don't verify.
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I could definitely look into a bot. And we wouldn't ban people, just kick them. And leave a disclaimer so they know it will happen if they don't verify.
yeah it can just send them a DM
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I believe we wanted to automate that, but I'm not familiar with bots, and I think the mods are busy with intros and modding. Some people duck out for a couple months and then come back, though, or get more involved if people get more involved with them. For instance, I think 444aidan is lurking 🙂 and just needs to be engaged with more.
Steve Mike 2/2/2023 3:42 PM
@WojtektheBear and I discussed that a while back. I found a bot that looks pretty good, you just have to pay monthly for those features. I can dig up the info later, bout to run out now
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I also have some experience writing discord bots but probably don't have the time to do it all myself.
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yeah it can just send them a DM
you mean after they get kicked?
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you mean after they get kicked?
yeah (edited)
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something along the lines of "hello, we have removed you from the iron front server for inactivity since you didn't post an introduction, you are welcomed to come back if you feel ready to make one"
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better worded than that but you get my point
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Steve Mike 2/2/2023 7:03 PM
Check out this bot
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C.J.
I could definitely look into a bot. And we wouldn't ban people, just kick them. And leave a disclaimer so they know it will happen if they don't verify.
Skullmaggot 2/3/2023 2:48 AM
That's good. Edit: Looks like Steve Mike has a bot above. (edited)
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joe hill’s revenge 2/11/2023 1:52 PM
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Add a ticket bot
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 2/11/2023 2:49 PM
for what purpose though?
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joe hill’s revenge 2/11/2023 8:02 PM
To streamline organizing
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to create easily deleted channels only visible to whoever is added to them (edited)
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You can use threads for that too
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joe hill’s revenge 2/22/2023 11:13 PM
We should have a back up server in case we get nuked
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Agreed
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/1/2023 2:46 PM
I feel like we should have a role for people to check the introductions
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Admins are getting behind on it and it could discourage people from being active when they haven’t been approved jn a few days
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floppunism [BOI, ID]
I feel like we should have a role for people to check the introductions
Skullmaggot 3/1/2023 5:08 PM
Alrighty, I was actually looking at what you’ve been doing for a while. C.J. and I could use help with that, so speak with C.J. I’m also aware that we can and do get behind in being able to process people, so I had the idea just this morning to involve people shadowing me. I’m mostly chatting with people and connecting them to groups and projects. We got some more people to process and I can use some help. I think speak with C.J. first, though, to see if you can help with reading intros to grant roles.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/1/2023 5:09 PM
Awesome!
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@Sunshine if you have any other suggestion you can also make them here!
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@Sunshine if you have any other suggestion you can also make them here!
Nice, thanks.
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Skullmaggot 3/4/2023 5:47 PM
The firearms channel is now age-restricted.
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The firearms channel is now age-restricted.
Can you get past that by going to a gun show or having a family member let you in? 😂
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/4/2023 6:48 PM
lmao, it’s just a discord ToS change requiring us to do it
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Suggestion: restructure the #job-board channel into a forum, where each thread is a specific job posting. This channel may benefit from the same structure, too. https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6208479917079-Forum-Channels-FAQ
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joe hill’s revenge 3/15/2023 2:27 AM
We should commit ourselves to anti capitalism and democratic/libertarian socialism as our highest ideals. This isn’t exactly a discord idea, but I didn’t want to clog up general. Capitalism inevitably breeds fascism, and authoritarian communism. Right now, 60 years after the Cold War and 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall; both ideologies are doing making a resurgence online. In order to effectively combat both authcom and fascism; we need to have an anti capitalist/anti liberal ideology. Stale defense of the status quo isn’t enough to win over the masses
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We should commit ourselves to anti capitalism and democratic/libertarian socialism as our highest ideals. This isn’t exactly a discord idea, but I didn’t want to clog up general. Capitalism inevitably breeds fascism, and authoritarian communism. Right now, 60 years after the Cold War and 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall; both ideologies are doing making a resurgence online. In order to effectively combat both authcom and fascism; we need to have an anti capitalist/anti liberal ideology. Stale defense of the status quo isn’t enough to win over the masses
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 4:08 AM
I don’t think people are defending the status quo. They’re instead waiting for the boomers to die off while addressing how to organize. I think most people feel too isolated and too busy to think about how to organize and instead are waiting for a system that validates them. You essentially need liberal socialist media on tv. I agree that capitalism is a stain on the Earth, but the current economic policy in the US is still capitalism. People will vote with their immediate wallets rather than for their ideals. The Holy Grail would be to make democratic/libertarian socialism be seen as the most profitable system out there. You can very much go for an ideology, but to convince people to trust the boogeyman they’ve been taught to be afraid of for decades, let’s instead break democratic socialism down into its components, the concrete things we want to achieve. We can approach people with these concrete things to see if they’re interested. I’m worried about ineffectively combating fascism by being anti-capitalist, though I’m only about 75% worried it would backfire. I’d want to ask what about the status quo people want to keep and what they want to change. More often than not though, change is scary and people need to see that they are still coming out on top in an untested system. That said, it’s sensical to make billionaires illegal.
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We should commit ourselves to anti capitalism and democratic/libertarian socialism as our highest ideals. This isn’t exactly a discord idea, but I didn’t want to clog up general. Capitalism inevitably breeds fascism, and authoritarian communism. Right now, 60 years after the Cold War and 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall; both ideologies are doing making a resurgence online. In order to effectively combat both authcom and fascism; we need to have an anti capitalist/anti liberal ideology. Stale defense of the status quo isn’t enough to win over the masses
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 4:08 AM
I’d say don’t always push for an ideology since you’d have to first understand if your audience will be receptive to it or if they will take it as an attack and double down on their beliefs. How do people react to something labelled as libertarian socialist? Instead, you can be indirect and listen to strangers’ problems and offer solutions. I also want to get info on how all the capitalists coordinate with one another so that we can pressure their weak points. The liberals/the left doesn’t have the numbers yet to make a direct attack to impose its will over the right (you need 60% of the vote to get around GOP gerrymandering), but it looks like that may happen by 2027-2045. Overall though, I don’t want to combat people, I want to disable the machine that propagates their destructive worldview and move them towards something that’ll help them better themselves and those around them. I want to work on an entire roadmap that’ll bring people out of the muck. Let’s go over your roadmap and the steps you want to take.
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We should commit ourselves to anti capitalism and democratic/libertarian socialism as our highest ideals. This isn’t exactly a discord idea, but I didn’t want to clog up general. Capitalism inevitably breeds fascism, and authoritarian communism. Right now, 60 years after the Cold War and 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall; both ideologies are doing making a resurgence online. In order to effectively combat both authcom and fascism; we need to have an anti capitalist/anti liberal ideology. Stale defense of the status quo isn’t enough to win over the masses
hate to be that gal, but democrat socialism is a liberal ideology
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hate to be that gal, but democrat socialism is a liberal ideology
Skullmaggot 3/15/2023 4:13 AM
I generally steer away from ideologies anyway. I instead want to work on what's small and concrete. Steps towards something larger, whatever that ought to be.
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I'm getting to sleep though, it's late.
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I don’t think people are defending the status quo. They’re instead waiting for the boomers to die off while addressing how to organize. I think most people feel too isolated and too busy to think about how to organize and instead are waiting for a system that validates them. You essentially need liberal socialist media on tv. I agree that capitalism is a stain on the Earth, but the current economic policy in the US is still capitalism. People will vote with their immediate wallets rather than for their ideals. The Holy Grail would be to make democratic/libertarian socialism be seen as the most profitable system out there. You can very much go for an ideology, but to convince people to trust the boogeyman they’ve been taught to be afraid of for decades, let’s instead break democratic socialism down into its components, the concrete things we want to achieve. We can approach people with these concrete things to see if they’re interested. I’m worried about ineffectively combating fascism by being anti-capitalist, though I’m only about 75% worried it would backfire. I’d want to ask what about the status quo people want to keep and what they want to change. More often than not though, change is scary and people need to see that they are still coming out on top in an untested system. That said, it’s sensical to make billionaires illegal.
joe hill’s revenge 3/15/2023 4:29 AM
I agree with most of that, and I think the solution is to adopt a right wing strategy. Richard be once said “politics is downstream from culture.” I think that’s true, and I think the AIF already accepts that as an ideology. However we need a direction to move the culture in; as away from fascism/racism/nationalism and cynical neoliberalism. Again, I agree our liberation/socialist ideology should be founded in the concrete reality facing ordinary people. I think we should start with prefigurative politics. The way AIF organizes should reflect democratic socialist values, before we tell other people what is right
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I'm getting to sleep though, it's late.
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hate to be that gal, but democrat socialism is a liberal ideology
joe hill’s revenge 3/15/2023 4:30 AM
Sort of but that’s getting techninal
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I agree with most of that, and I think the solution is to adopt a right wing strategy. Richard be once said “politics is downstream from culture.” I think that’s true, and I think the AIF already accepts that as an ideology. However we need a direction to move the culture in; as away from fascism/racism/nationalism and cynical neoliberalism. Again, I agree our liberation/socialist ideology should be founded in the concrete reality facing ordinary people. I think we should start with prefigurative politics. The way AIF organizes should reflect democratic socialist values, before we tell other people what is right
Skullmaggot 3/16/2023 12:58 AM
I see, I see. Prefigurative politics. Do you have a plan for how to ease people into democratic socialism? I'm also of the mind that people's politics depends on population density and available infrastructure. People praise independence when they've had to rely on themselves to manage their own problems and compete with their fellows. I think what I'm trying to ask is if you've got data on how to successfully shift societal values. Just presenting a different set of values won't be an instantaneous selling point, even if adopting them shows growth. Why would people change their values? (I think this is also tied to the environment of what you were raised in. Individuals shift often, but what shifts interconnected groups of people?)
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I see, I see. Prefigurative politics. Do you have a plan for how to ease people into democratic socialism? I'm also of the mind that people's politics depends on population density and available infrastructure. People praise independence when they've had to rely on themselves to manage their own problems and compete with their fellows. I think what I'm trying to ask is if you've got data on how to successfully shift societal values. Just presenting a different set of values won't be an instantaneous selling point, even if adopting them shows growth. Why would people change their values? (I think this is also tied to the environment of what you were raised in. Individuals shift often, but what shifts interconnected groups of people?)
joe hill’s revenge 3/16/2023 5:42 PM
I think that we should adopt some political principles
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/16/2023 5:52 PM
I disagree. We can worry about abolition of capitalism when the threat of fascism has been reduced; Of course, to combat fascism we have to take some anticapitalist steps as capitalism basically generates a feedback loop for fascism, but we need all hands on deck and I’d rather have a right-libertarian on our side than not. This doesnt mean we shouldn’t keep doing mutual aid and the like, of course. (edited)
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I disagree. We can worry about abolition of capitalism when the threat of fascism has been reduced; Of course, to combat fascism we have to take some anticapitalist steps as capitalism basically generates a feedback loop for fascism, but we need all hands on deck and I’d rather have a right-libertarian on our side than not. This doesnt mean we shouldn’t keep doing mutual aid and the like, of course. (edited)
I partly agree. I think it’s s important to highlight we are against fascism and authoritarianism. I do not think we should form a coalition around one ideology, like democratic socialism because there are a lot of competing ideas on how governments and economies without devolving into authoritarianism. If we choose one form of government to highlight it will be s turn off to a lot of people. (To be clear I am biased as I consider myself a mix of a libertarian and an FDR liberal, I think democratic socialism has many short comings). Anyway what I am getting at is anti-fascism and anti-authoritarianism is a lot stronger message on its own.
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Skullmaggot 3/17/2023 12:31 AM
I at least want to hear the political principles, and I would try to remove them from an ideology (that's not getting support) if possible. I want to work with what's concrete and immediate since that's the stuff that people can agree upon. @joe hill’s revenge If you've got an idea, I'd like to talk it out, and we can make it workable under broader scrutiny. (edited)
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I at least want to hear the political principles, and I would try to remove them from an ideology (that's not getting support) if possible. I want to work with what's concrete and immediate since that's the stuff that people can agree upon. @joe hill’s revenge If you've got an idea, I'd like to talk it out, and we can make it workable under broader scrutiny. (edited)
joe hill’s revenge 3/17/2023 12:36 PM
Sorry I haven’t responded to this I’ve been thinking about what you’ve said
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Hey hope everyone is having a good day! I just wanted to voice my concerns about not just this discord, but as the AIF as a whole. The AIF states clearly that we are against violence and extreme political views. However I see a good amount of violence and extreme views that seem to run opposite of the AIF. 1. I’ve noticed (more on the Reddit) that people have been praising the proud boy guy getting beat up and saying things like “a dead nazi is a good nazi.” Obviously we all hate nazis here but this type of support seems to go against what we stand for. 2. From what I know about the original Iron Front, they were a group of liberals, social democrats (not to be confused with democratic socialists) and trade unions who all support the broader classical liberalism. I’ve seen a lot of anarchist and democratic socialists on here and obviously you are all well meaning but doesn’t that go against the Iron Fronts stand on politics? My biggest concern is that the AIF if becoming too close to Antifa. Not pointing finger at anyone, just wanted to express my concerns. If anyone disagrees I’m all for having a discussion 😊 (edited)
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fromdefilade 3/20/2023 12:55 PM
Cant have antifascism without the antifascists
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Hey hope everyone is having a good day! I just wanted to voice my concerns about not just this discord, but as the AIF as a whole. The AIF states clearly that we are against violence and extreme political views. However I see a good amount of violence and extreme views that seem to run opposite of the AIF. 1. I’ve noticed (more on the Reddit) that people have been praising the proud boy guy getting beat up and saying things like “a dead nazi is a good nazi.” Obviously we all hate nazis here but this type of support seems to go against what we stand for. 2. From what I know about the original Iron Front, they were a group of liberals, social democrats (not to be confused with democratic socialists) and trade unions who all support the broader classical liberalism. I’ve seen a lot of anarchist and democratic socialists on here and obviously you are all well meaning but doesn’t that go against the Iron Fronts stand on politics? My biggest concern is that the AIF if becoming too close to Antifa. Not pointing finger at anyone, just wanted to express my concerns. If anyone disagrees I’m all for having a discussion 😊 (edited)
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/20/2023 2:49 PM
Those rules were made before the right started openly calling for genocide, showing up to kids events with guns, and cheering when a gay nightclub got shot up.
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Hey hope everyone is having a good day! I just wanted to voice my concerns about not just this discord, but as the AIF as a whole. The AIF states clearly that we are against violence and extreme political views. However I see a good amount of violence and extreme views that seem to run opposite of the AIF. 1. I’ve noticed (more on the Reddit) that people have been praising the proud boy guy getting beat up and saying things like “a dead nazi is a good nazi.” Obviously we all hate nazis here but this type of support seems to go against what we stand for. 2. From what I know about the original Iron Front, they were a group of liberals, social democrats (not to be confused with democratic socialists) and trade unions who all support the broader classical liberalism. I’ve seen a lot of anarchist and democratic socialists on here and obviously you are all well meaning but doesn’t that go against the Iron Fronts stand on politics? My biggest concern is that the AIF if becoming too close to Antifa. Not pointing finger at anyone, just wanted to express my concerns. If anyone disagrees I’m all for having a discussion 😊 (edited)
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antifa does not exist
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there is no group called antifa
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get that shit right the fuck outta your head
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that's fox news propaganda
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second, self defense needs to be discussed, especially in the context of shit like Patriot front or proud boys trying to lynch drag queens. Its the same shit the Nazis did. This isn't some godwin's law bullshit either, its the EXACT same playbook
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that's fox news propaganda
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/20/2023 2:52 PM
In fact, anything FOX News says should be disregarded as they themselves have stated multiple times that "no reasonable person would believe what we say".
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I'm for gun control, but not against gun ownership
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and I am fully for using the laws to punish fash
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in ALL capabilities
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including stand your ground
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/20/2023 2:55 PM
Fascists are bullies at their core and bullies don't expect their victims to fight back.
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why do you think they use dogwhistles so much?
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they know if they said what they really want, they be fucking pulp to the ground
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/20/2023 2:56 PM
Also, Republicans are only "pro-gun" when they're the ones wielding them.
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The second any leftist picks up a gun, their opinions will suddenly align with the DNC.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/20/2023 3:15 PM
Tbh I think anyone who’s against punching nazis has a weak moral compass
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fromdefilade 3/20/2023 6:26 PM
We don’t have a choice in this anyway when repubs are high fiving the swastika wavers that are outside and the corporation responsible for a mass chemical spill also donates exorbitant amounts to cop city
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Skullmaggot 3/23/2023 12:13 AM
It's been the theme this last week to review our ideology/ideologies. I ended up speaking with a679591 after the last meeting about a unifying and guiding ideology. (I put end remarks in this weeks meeting notes.) We came up with--by asking ourselves the question, "What kind of world do I want?"--we came up with something like "I want a world where people aren't afraid to be themselves." What kind of world do you want?
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It's been the theme this last week to review our ideology/ideologies. I ended up speaking with a679591 after the last meeting about a unifying and guiding ideology. (I put end remarks in this weeks meeting notes.) We came up with--by asking ourselves the question, "What kind of world do I want?"--we came up with something like "I want a world where people aren't afraid to be themselves." What kind of world do you want?
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/23/2023 12:18 AM
Being a dem soc, I'm obliged to add, in addition to what's already been said, a world where every human need is addressed and the worker is not treated as a slave or a disposable piece of machinery.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/23/2023 12:20 AM
I want a world free of all manners of oppressio. (edited)
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AvoidOblivion 3/23/2023 12:22 AM
I want a world where where humans live in harmony with the environment and are free to be themselves.
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Skullmaggot 3/24/2023 1:05 AM
I'm reopening the #what-we-stand-for channel for discussions about ideologies. I guess let me know if you're able to post on there. I'm not sure if I've done it right.
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joe hill’s revenge 3/26/2023 4:14 PM
We should set up a state leads and a state role so we can tag our state only (edited)
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/26/2023 4:34 PM
there are already state roles, and state leads would add unnecessary heirarchy
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joe hill’s revenge 3/26/2023 4:54 PM
I can’t tag New Jersey tho
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 3/27/2023 12:40 PM
don’t
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/27/2023 8:46 PM
I thought of an idea
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AIF Pirate Radio/Podcast
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Interesting
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/27/2023 8:48 PM
Idk, I’m just spit balling here
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I was listening to old episodes of car talk
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And the idea struck me
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Probably not worth doing
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Pirate radio definitely not worth doing imo but podcast maybe
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Pirate radio definitely not worth doing imo but podcast maybe
Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/27/2023 9:04 PM
I've always wanted to do an antifascist podcast.
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Don't really have the equipment, money, or the knowledge to do so though.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/27/2023 9:06 PM
Same
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Skullmaggot 3/27/2023 11:06 PM
@Eazy8 Antifa Viking and @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy For a podcast, I'd say probably refer to Kattt who might be picking it up, and see if you can reach out to IvanAlbright, a filmmaker who wanted to do a podcast (I believe they have all the equipment) but needed a sounding board/more direction than I had time to give them. I don't know if IvanAlbright is still active. (edited)
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@Eazy8 Antifa Viking and @Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy For a podcast, I'd say probably refer to Kattt who might be picking it up, and see if you can reach out to IvanAlbright, a filmmaker who wanted to do a podcast (I believe they have all the equipment) but needed a sounding board/more direction than I had time to give them. I don't know if IvanAlbright is still active. (edited)
Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/27/2023 11:48 PM
Yeah, I was just spitballing an idea; I'm way to camera shy to be on a podcast
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Yeah, I was just spitballing an idea; I'm way to camera shy to be on a podcast
Skullmaggot 3/27/2023 11:48 PM
It ought to be audio, anyway.
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Eazy8 Antifa Viking 3/27/2023 11:49 PM
Yeah, I'm aware, Im just stupid and don't know a better word than camera shy
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preformance Anxeity
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thats the word
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Skullmaggot 3/27/2023 11:50 PM
ah, I get ya
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Unu51, Syndicalizer of Anarchy 3/27/2023 11:55 PM
I've co-hosted a radio show before as part of my college class. So I've got some experience on that front.
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I've co-hosted a radio show before as part of my college class. So I've got some experience on that front.
Skullmaggot 3/28/2023 12:10 AM
👍 I believe I'll ask how things have been going with the zine (I guess by tomorrow, I've gotten busy today). I'm just hoping there's some level of engagement and process and that people are expressing their expectations over what they think the process of collaborating should be. If you haven't gotten in touch yet, it looks like usbt and IITONE are trying to arrange a graphic design team and Kattt (and I suppose Revolae) are doing propaganda. I think Kattt has wanted to pick up on any sort of film/radio development, so you may want to chat with them.
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AIF Pirate Radio/Podcast
joe hill’s revenge 3/28/2023 1:19 AM
Great idea but it requires a lot of work and it might not be successful
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Don't really have the equipment, money, or the knowledge to do so though.
joe hill’s revenge 3/28/2023 1:26 AM
Nah, equipment doesn’t matter. All that matters is the quality of the script. If our script is good enough; people will put up with any technical problems to access it. Our enemies, the new nazis Nazis, will go through hell in order to listen to their gurus. Nick Fuentes has been banned from everything but the town square; but his followers still find a way to tune in. Idk what online platform he uses these days, but I guarantee it’s frustrating to use. If we can write a podcast listeners find valuable; they will make sure their friends listen to it. (edited)
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Ya but I don’t know this group has the ideological fanaticism of Fuentes stans. We’re a reaction to that shit. You need to be entertaining and informative. Think like behind the bastards but keeping focus on rising authoritarianism. From politicians pushing bills that strip liberties away, to how the media pushes narratives that normalize fascist shit and bad actors who promote it (looking at you Leslie Stahl), to how that stuff culminates in stochastic terrorism of individuals influenced by these forces is entirely predictable and in fact is the goal of a party who knows it can no longer win by democratic means.
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A lot of good subject matter is there, the topics are relevant, and with an entertaining panel / host I think that idea is a winner if you want to expand your outreach.
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I think something like a monthly podcast would be and excellent idea, but you'd need to have a lot of vetting and decide on a format ahead of time. Being informative and entertaining is a challenge. I know people who have been podcasting regularly for over a decade, and it took turns a while to find their rhythm. There's also a lot of backend stuff like recording, editing, hosting, and having equipment that one needs to consider as well.
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joe hill’s revenge 4/11/2023 4:11 AM
Is there any literature I can hand to my apolitical friends with a five minute attention span explaining why they should join AIF?
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I can write up something for you
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Got work today though so it'll be a while
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joe hill’s revenge 4/11/2023 5:45 PM
Coolio
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joe hill’s revenge 4/20/2023 1:30 PM
World and internet news sections
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/20/2023 1:40 PM
we could probably just change #news to “news”
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the server already has extreme channel bloat
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the server already has extreme channel bloat
Blahaj Blaster 4/20/2023 9:53 PM
This, I feel like some of the channels under "taking it easy" could be combined
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joe hill’s revenge 4/23/2023 9:42 PM
mod elections!
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 4/23/2023 10:41 PM
Can we make all states roles @‘able?
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Annoying when you have something extremely relevant to people in a region that you’ve gotta tag em but gotta find out who lives where
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joe hill’s revenge 5/3/2023 11:05 AM
Can we add a work/anti work channel to the server
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joe hill’s revenge 5/3/2023 2:09 PM
Preamble: the summer months are the best time for an online organization to start touching grass, because the grass is greenest and the sun is nicest. Lets start to grow our organization this summer with small, manageable IRL events! June: internal development, we need to activate to form a recruitment team that can devote a few hours every week to maintaining the Discord and coordinating the growth of local chapters. We should also begin opposition research in earnest through the Chaos Monkeys initiative. July: We should host small BBQs across the country for our members on July 4, this would also give some of our members a chance to practice with fireworks (only in states where its legal!). After July 4, local chapters should start conducting local research, focusing on local government, political issues in the area and the local fascist population. August-early September: We should come together in August and compare notes on local organizing, and consolidate our local gains into a small national organization. Before schools reopen, we should host an AIFcon on our Discord to prepare.
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floppunism [BOI, ID] 5/3/2023 3:08 PM
Sounds perfect to me
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Sounds perfect to me
joe hill’s revenge 5/3/2023 3:37 PM
It’s a question of making it happen
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And that requires that we grind for a few months
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Especially the most active members like us
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We gotta move in silence like the g in lasagna
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Skullmaggot 5/4/2023 3:29 AM
Actually, maybe make a channel for votable propositions.
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Channels for the wars affecting the people of Palestine, Rojava, and Armenia would be nice
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While I love and support Ukraine, we need to support all people affected by genocide and imperialism
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 5/4/2023 10:51 PM
yemen will not be forgotten
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Yemen too
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Might want to add Uighurs and Rohingya to the list (edited)
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Have ones for regions maybe, so there aren't too many channels
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Have ones for regions maybe, so there aren't too many channels
AvoidOblivion 5/5/2023 7:35 AM
Africa, Middle East, Asia?
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Yeee. Latin America too, and Greater Middle East
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MENA
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From Mauritania to Pakistan
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But focus on Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Palestine, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen ofc
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and if shit goes down in Egypt or something, we can just put it there
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Or maybe
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MENA and Israel-Palestine two separate channels
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knuckles
MENA and Israel-Palestine two separate channels
AvoidOblivion 5/5/2023 8:06 AM
That is a good idea. There is plenty of news about I-P, but not much about what is going on in North Africa. Other places in the ME get attention, but some more than others.
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joe hill’s revenge 5/11/2023 10:38 PM
Forum channel for organized discussions
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An art channel that has antifascist art uploaded to it to encourage, inspire, and drive us to fight the good fight against fascism.
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Cernun
An art channel that has antifascist art uploaded to it to encourage, inspire, and drive us to fight the good fight against fascism.
AvoidOblivion 6/2/2023 8:03 PM
#happy-hour is occasionally used for sharing art, but a dedicated channel could be good.
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Cernun
An art channel that has antifascist art uploaded to it to encourage, inspire, and drive us to fight the good fight against fascism.
Skullmaggot 6/3/2023 1:25 AM
okie dokie
1:28 AM
As a reminder, mods would like to see more of a petition made for creating new forum format channels.
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joe hill’s revenge 6/4/2023 11:19 PM
we should add some ceremony to the org. Specifically I think 1, we should do something to thank people who boost the server 2. We should include a membership initiation ritual for people to join.
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AvoidOblivion 6/5/2023 7:23 AM
An initiation ritual sounds cultish.
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AIF Cuirassier regiment 6/5/2023 9:23 AM
yeah
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joe hill’s revenge 6/5/2023 12:15 PM
At Least a procedure
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Our procedure is an intro and extra convo/vetting if necessary
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Braakinthesaddle 6/6/2023 3:01 PM
^^^This exactly. We are not the Piss Boys or Patriot Front or any other street gang that requires new members be "jumped in."
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Black Magic 6/6/2023 7:43 PM
Please fix the channel categories to make them collapsable
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C.J.
Our procedure is an intro and extra convo/vetting if necessary
Skullmaggot 6/7/2023 4:06 AM
What this is is more of a delineation in stage of membership and involvement, similar with a push for implementing vetting procedures and the recent coalition to address moderating individuals. There's some new stratum of membership forming. A group's collective consciousness forms incrementally from taking on challenges, and they can build more cohesion and authority.
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anyway we could get a great white north tab for Canadians to track our shit? i understand ifa is for mostly Americans but all of north america seems to have a problem with these sore losers
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Probably a good idea
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joe hill’s revenge 6/19/2023 7:02 PM
Could we make a back up server in case this one gets taken down/compromised?
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Natalie
anyway we could get a great white north tab for Canadians to track our shit? i understand ifa is for mostly Americans but all of north america seems to have a problem with these sore losers
Skullmaggot 6/22/2023 1:27 AM
Okay, I intend to add new channels for provinces. I’ll also get some other inactive channels archived.
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Skullmaggot
Okay, I intend to add new channels for provinces. I’ll also get some other inactive channels archived.
sweet thank you gotta make those fuckers scared to be hateful again
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joe hill’s revenge 7/3/2023 8:37 PM
Question about of the day bot to drive engagement
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This might be a bit of a stretch, but I think we should have a climate change or sustainability channel. Since many fascists, monarchists, and communists, see the current ecological crisis as an opportunity to take over the ashes of the world.
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str8 up demon 7/25/2023 11:31 PM
2nd thought did a video on this regarding eco fascism
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Laguz24
This might be a bit of a stretch, but I think we should have a climate change or sustainability channel. Since many fascists, monarchists, and communists, see the current ecological crisis as an opportunity to take over the ashes of the world.
Skullmaggot 7/29/2023 12:03 AM
#prepping ?
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Laguz24
This might be a bit of a stretch, but I think we should have a climate change or sustainability channel. Since many fascists, monarchists, and communists, see the current ecological crisis as an opportunity to take over the ashes of the world.
I think that's a great idea to have a dedicated channel. I personally have a big investment in climate protection as a way to empower marginalized people and crush facism. The outdoors are not only a great place to connect with others for our cause, but also the climate crisis is something that is a really contentious issue that we need to take a clear stance on.
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Jeanclaudejunior 9/3/2023 1:54 PM
Languagedex (guessing what Language it was written in), OCs and pop culture
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