@everyone
Fascists, including proud boys, are planning on disrupting a drag show in North Charleston on December 23rd. Numbers are needed to counter them and defend queer celebration. Attacks on us come in the form of legislation but they also come in the form of vigilante violence. We keep us safe.
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It will be cold, if you choose to come (pls do and bring your friends!) remember to bundle up
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Bring signs, noisemakers, and pride flags.
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Remember to have a buddy, don’t go alone. Have a plan for how to get in and get out. This will be somewhat spicy, we will be on a public sidewalk.
People who reached out to the venue didn’t get any sort of response, it’s a city of North Charleston property so the official event security is ncpd. That’s not gonna discourage fascists (cops and klan go hand in hand etc) and so we’re still gonna show up and show out and be on public sidewalks. Take up space before the fascists can,
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Numbers are absolutely needed for this. Will talk more about it in meeting at 6
Bruh the rupauls christmas show?? Im planning on GOING to that driving down from florence for a few days. I hate homophobia
Cyprus
People who reached out to the venue didn’t get any sort of response, it’s a city of North Charleston property so the official event security is ncpd. That’s not gonna discourage fascists (cops and klan go hand in hand etc) and so we’re still gonna show up and show out and be on public sidewalks. Take up space before the fascists can,
This is unfortunate. I'll be at the previous show on the tour in Knoxville Thursday night where we'll be security and I'm a lot more comfortable with that.(edited)
We want YOU to show up for LGBTQ+ liberation this Friday, 7 pm, outside the North Charleston Performing Arts Center. Right-wing groups will be out harassing people in front of a drag show, and we need them to know they're outnumbered.
Cyprus
People who reached out to the venue didn’t get any sort of response, it’s a city of North Charleston property so the official event security is ncpd. That’s not gonna discourage fascists (cops and klan go hand in hand etc) and so we’re still gonna show up and show out and be on public sidewalks. Take up space before the fascists can,
NCPD is particular bad and there are no local ordinances around protests or rallies so even if the city was in opposition, they can't/won't do much to stop it
NCPD are notorious pricks though, so don’t be surprised if they come up with creative interpretations of what constitutes blocking a sidewalk. Shouldn’t be an issue as long as there are good comms with whatever SGT or LT they send that way.(edited)
Protesters rallied on the bridge over Shem Creek in Mount Pleasant Saturday evening in the latest protest across the Lowcountry over mask and vaccine mandates.
This is a user-friendly guide to effective protesting. Topics include individual involvement, what to know before joining a protest, what to wear, on-the-ground tactics, encounters with law enforcement, and more.
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recommend everyone to read, at least the section on setting rules of engagement
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obviously dont take it as gospel but there is good information here, especially for those who haven't participated in public demonstrations before
To anyone who's planning on showing up on friday, please plan to wear heavy winter clothes. Friday night's forecast calls for temperatures as low as 10-20℉
The house session will just be the general session. Anyone can enter the state house and summon legislators to the lobby to talk to them. You cannot, however, protest from the house or senate gallery/balcony (in the chambers themselves) with signs and whatnot.
AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
we cant really barge into a restaurant so we need to show up after that, preferably to the same house meeting they do
There can be more creative forms of protest than just shouting at people, too. Nothing ruins a brunch quite like a patron nearby barfing. "Oh my god a rat!" etc etc
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Someone in the lobby dressed as Jesus with a sign that says "I never said anything about trans people"
To those attending the counter protest on the 23rd in North Charleston, be safe and be vigilant. To those organizing groups remember to stick together and have an exit plan in case one is needed.
I've heard from people on the ground that "no concealable weapons" signs have been posted already
Lynnie (she/her)
There can be more creative forms of protest than just shouting at people, too. Nothing ruins a brunch quite like a patron nearby barfing. "Oh my god a rat!" etc etc
I think just a sit-in would be enough. Just go in your most flamboyantly queer outfits within their line of sight, and then just mind your own business. It'll at the least make them uncomfy, if not rile them up which might get them in some kind of trouble.
I doubt it, the missouri one was based on a local ordinance, which locals cited. I dont believe such an ordinance exists in north Charleston, but if there is we will probably hear about it
i can't blame them for making this concession for their immediate safety... but it's respectability politics, and that will not end well in the long term.
For those going tomorrow, a good lawyer to contact is DSA comrade named Joshua who is a lawyer in town. He says he has a friend in Mt. Pleasant that works these kinds of cases. His number is 304-634-9125. He recommends writing this down on a piece of paper with the word "lawyer" on it
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For those going tomorrow, a good lawyer to contact is DSA comrade named Joshua who is a lawyer in town. He says he has a friend in Mt. Pleasant that works these kinds of cases. His number is 304-634-9125. He recommends writing this down on a piece of paper with the word "lawyer" on it
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I am totally on board with that release as it stands. I swear look away and you guys get it done. I’m testing that by looking away from my dishes…….crap.
Matt Cox he/him
I am totally on board with that release as it stands. I swear look away and you guys get it done. I’m testing that by looking away from my dishes…….crap.
Knoxville went with little drama. Mostly church people who cleared out about 8:30, and the 6 or 7 PBs that were there largely went with them. TN Action Club looked like they might be planning something at times, but ultimately skulked off around 9:30, before the intermission smoke break.
Was nice not having to actively defend drag queens out on the sidewalk.
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Me and my friends are gonna park at tanger near nike/banana republic and walk over at 5pm if anyone wants to join our flock
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To avoid parking fees cuz i think the parking lot charges if i remember correctly.
Also closer parking lots DO tow coliseum goers and are strict about it, so look for tow signs.
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And lastly, what part of the coliseum will we all meet at? I’m sure i’ll see it but just in case i’m late
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I've heard places right by the venue may be strict about towing, and that they may charge you to park at the venue. I'd say keep ears up until you get there if possible
Today I learned when you are counterprotesting in winter, go ahead and have your face covering ready. A K 95 does not cut it in the cold.
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It was good to see everyone out there. I feel silly for how much I was worked up about coming, but I’m extremely glad we are all OK, they left first, we pushed into their space, we shouted them down, and when the time came, we kept cool heads and actually engaged with a couple of them.
Thanks everyone who stood out in the freezing cold. It means a lot, the transphobes group was a lot smaller than us ️ (i was with someone who didn’t wanna go to the protest :/)(edited)
@erik☭ you were taking pics last night right? I think you said you were going to post them to insta, but I didn't get your account name. Do you mind sharing?
Eleanor_L
@erik☭ you were taking pics last night right? I think you said you were going to post them to insta, but I didn't get your account name. Do you mind sharing?
when i was a child my mom made me watch shows that other parents deemed queer and bad for children. like teletubbies. and here i am queer. so i think watching those shows does make you gay.
It was a public facing action with media presence. The majority of people there had pictures or recordings. Always assume that your actions online and offline are being recorded and archived, cover as desired.
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If I need to take it down and change it, I will
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It is important to share successful actions. It was a peaceful action with 0 incidents. Everyone was covered in winter clothing anyways.
Randoms and reporters were also taking vids and pics, the cops were in our faces with body cams, the fash were doing the same thing with body cam footage and their phones. The guests for the show were also doing the same.
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If someone was shown in that footage that would prefer not to be shown, dm me for my signal number and we'll discuss necessary edits
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Reviewing the footage I posted, the only identifying markers that were distinguishable were fash, my camera angles were mostly down, the majority of us were masked, hatted, covered, or blurred by being out of focus.
Check the footage if you like, this isn't my first rodeo
We were wanting to use a bit of the footage in a video I'm throwing together for OAT, I'd like to say if anyone is featured in Caboose's video who doesn't want to be shown please shoot me a dm. Don't want to step on anyone's toes.
We were wanting to use a bit of the footage in a video I'm throwing together for OAT, I'd like to say if anyone is featured in Caboose's video who doesn't want to be shown please shoot me a dm. Don't want to step on anyone's toes.
I got my phone out late for that, someone else may have a better clip of the guy with the eyepatch approaching us to say something then getting drowned out with chants then leaving as a group
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I was kinda more focused on rushing to the front to react to that guy rather than record
On December 23rd, our community mobilized to ensure that attendees of the Drag Queen Christmas Show in North Charleston were able to have fun and enjoy themselves. Despite the cold, we outnumbered and contained the fascists. They ended up leaving around the time the event...
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I got my phone out late for that, someone else may have a better clip of the guy with the eyepatch approaching us to say something then getting drowned out with chants then leaving as a group
Glad to hear everyone was safe and the event was held. I am glad our Allies were able to safley attend their Christmas Drag Show despite The Fascists being haters.
Nice. I was gonna say I'd go down to FL, but im quarantining. My partners family tested positive for covid... while we were over there Sunday Maybe reach out to the FNB there. What city is the show in?
Can you give me a link to the events? They kinda do daily drag show events in Orlando so it might not stand out as much, at the same time, it's only been a few years since orlando...
I don't have any more than you do, as it's a little out of our realm of influence. Miami Antifascists had posted regarding Ft. Lauderdale and Miami, but I haven't seen anything regarding protest at the last two stops.(edited)
All ages drag show featuring men dressed as women and wearing g-strings performing sexual acts on stage. We will protest this event outside the venue. No violence. No intimidation. No unprovoked...
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A call has been put out for a showing of solidarity on the sidewalk in front of the Plaza Live the evening of the 28th during this event! Bring your flags and signs!
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So many of the queens performing had family show up to the Charleston show. Like, most of them it feels like. It’s so sad to me that these protesters had to be there and i guess take away from that. Or try to.
What's funny about this is that the livestreamer who instigated the investigation had bought and paid for a ticket to the Ft. Lauderdale show and then stood up, made a scene, and got thrown out before he could actually document that there were in fact any kids there.
After noticing MULTIPLE children in the audience at the explicit Drag Queen Christmas in Ft Lauderdale I called out performer Nina West for inviting and allowing children to come to her sexually explicit shows!
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Lolwut?
There's nothing in there that isn't still valid. It's about thinking in a secure way, not about specific methods. I think that there are many people who haven't been exposed to that kind of thing, and it's very important if you're going to be involved in direct action.
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I shared it here as a starting point, not the end point on the subject.
There’s going to be a fairly large pro life rally and march next Saturday
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As it’s (probably, I haven’t checked) a permitted event
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We have a legal right to counterprotest them
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As we’re against misogyny as well as queer phobia and transphobia, and as our liberation is tied to the liberation of others, I’d dare say we have an obligation to stand up for abortion rights
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So there’s two different marches from what it looks like
I'm pretty sure what happened is ik at one point they were also planning one in gville, and I think they just reused the graphic but didn't notice they left greenville in it
it's not, they've been posting it for months. I first heard about these events in like october I just wanted to see where they wound up before we planned a response
If you can, get a set of their signup forms and fill them with convincing looking fake data. Once from your phone on mobile data, once on WiFi/a home computer if you can.
Yeah if it’s gonna be a citywide resistance we need to have multiple groups coordinating for different parts of the city
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If you can, get a set of their signup forms and fill them with convincing looking fake data. Once from your phone on mobile data, once on WiFi/a home computer if you can.
people donig stuff on the statehouse should be briefed on how countering at the statehouse usually works. Statehouse police like to separate counters fairly aggressively, I've been threated with arrest before for it. They usually push you to a different part of the grounds out of sight, sometimes it's better to just post up on public sidewalk across the street. Even though the sidewalks out front are technically private property, they don't usually let you hang out there as a counter
people donig stuff on the statehouse should be briefed on how countering at the statehouse usually works. Statehouse police like to separate counters fairly aggressively, I've been threated with arrest before for it. They usually push you to a different part of the grounds out of sight, sometimes it's better to just post up on public sidewalk across the street. Even though the sidewalks out front are technically private property, they don't usually let you hang out there as a counter
As far as I know those sidewalks out front are public sidewalks, the permits are usually for the north end of the statehouse which ends at the black posts near gervais
Ive had cops tell me to leave and I'm like "this is a sidewalk" and they fucked off
Hayden (he/they)
As far as I know those sidewalks out front are public sidewalks, the permits are usually for the north end of the statehouse which ends at the black posts near gervais
What would be the plan for Russel? To just confront them as they leave the ballroom? We can make it into the hallway but they can just close the doors to the ballroom. I do know how to get in through the back entrances but idk if we'd get campus police called on us if we barged into a private event
i figure we can make their life hell if we show up first
Victor (they/them)
What would be the plan for Russel? To just confront them as they leave the ballroom? We can make it into the hallway but they can just close the doors to the ballroom. I do know how to get in through the back entrances but idk if we'd get campus police called on us if we barged into a private event
If it doesn't rain I'll definitely be there
Coming from sumter and working Saturdays sucksss there's never anything around here man and travel is pricey
Hayden (he/they)
Theres the protest to save Richard Moore tomorrow at the Statehouse but it might get rained out
Is anyone going to any of the protests Saturday from clemson that I can ride with? (if I can go, I might have work training :/ orr either of the other events? Self defense or gun safety? I can pitch in for gas $$)(edited)
theres a photo of one of ours with it and its most of the comments
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maybe 6-10 people
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i find it funny they think that sign represents an inordinate effort on our part when theres quite strong evidence they spent thousands of dollars solely on todays event
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the most confusing part is that does the prolifelgbtq org think that those conservative orgs don’t hate queer people having autonomy as well…like the enemy of your enemy is not your friend/ally
the most confusing part is that does the prolifelgbtq org think that those conservative orgs don’t hate queer people having autonomy as well…like the enemy of your enemy is not your friend/ally
There was a great moment where the people around me thought Joe Wilson was dead because a speaker lady (I think Pamela Evette?) looked up to the sky and said “I’m sure he wanted to be here today and is looking down on us with pride”
And then had to clarify that he was flying today and couldn’t make the rally
At one point during the march i tried to slow down a bit because I noticed how us walking quickly was making the group of forced birthers walk quickly and I didn’t particularly want any old people to die
This is an excellent conversation to be bouncing between while I watch that dang dad talk about the “leftist men crisis” and how the man men who man all the time find the right, more attractive because they’re still believing the lies from people who will abandon you at a moments notice when you are no longer convenient, for instance, if you can’t keep up with a March because of your fucking surgery
Idk the knights probably could have slowed down given the huge gap that formed in the middle. Either way it was not paced well
Matt Cox he/him
This is an excellent conversation to be bouncing between while I watch that dang dad talk about the “leftist men crisis” and how the man men who man all the time find the right, more attractive because they’re still believing the lies from people who will abandon you at a moments notice when you are no longer convenient, for instance, if you can’t keep up with a March because of your fucking surgery
They didn’t have a set order and the only people who knew where they were going were the people at the front and main organisers from some of the groups. There was no communication to the marchers about the route or anything like that(edited)
Almost like they were being treated as props and not genuinely involved believers, sort of like the teenagers who are dragged there against their will(edited)
Prime moment was us making fun of that guys hat and outfit for like 10 minutes, and then a guy dressed the same asked if we've seen a guy with the same hat on
I met and saw a decent group of sorority girls from UofSC (because ofc they were there), but yeah, 90% of people I met in the march were both shocked that I was actually a student here and also very much not from the area. Aside from the USC people, the closest I heard people coming from was Greenville
I was just thinking of that Corey Allen video about North Charleston, where he accused drag performers of “wearing womanhood like a costume“ when there were a bunch of dinosaurs strutting around wearing manhood as a costume
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I met and saw a decent group of sorority girls from UofSC (because ofc they were there), but yeah, 90% of people I met in the march were both shocked that I was actually a student here and also very much not from the area. Aside from the USC people, the closest I heard people coming from was Greenville
Also in regards to the march I watched the whole thing the back was just trailing old people who couldn't keep up. I saw walkers. Then you just had several cruisers crawling behind them trying to make sure they didn't fucking die
AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
do you think if that man had fucking fell and died when he did that they would have canceled the march lol (edited)
The way we can control the time of the event is by reserving the Russel ballroom before they can. Thus forcing them to do it the week after when students are already back at usc and we can have more backup
Since its "first annual", I think I they will try to plan it next year for same time ie right before legislative session. Jan 6 is the day we want to book so we force them to do Jan 13 instead
Also remember the student summit and the march were separate things. If you really wanted, you could also get an application in with the SC Department of Administration to reserve the state house grounds for an event as well.
If yall have any other social media, it'd be a good gate way too the server. Since people can follow the social media accounts that most people have immediate acess too like Instagram.
It's a position that's more likely to gain public support from those outside of the community. But both moderates and more radical positions are needed for change.
And I stand corrected, the chicken salad is very good. Warm, though.
ColorfulKnoll
It's a position that's more likely to gain public support from those outside of the community. But both moderates and more radical positions are needed for change.
OAT is a multi-ideology org, its built into our points of unity. this event today just overall didnt feel useful. ill be a lib and be chummy with representatives if i feel like its making progress, but there were problems as follows:
-there was no way to tell who was a rep and who wasnt at the coffee event, when there are only 2-3 reps and 50 people this makes it hard to do the whole "coffee and talk" thing
-with the meeting, we just spent like an hour and 15 minutes reading a phamplet they gave us that had basic info on the bills. most people showing up at 10am on a thursday already know this, and it would have been a far better use of time to hand us the literature and then talk about something else. i really liked the brief mention of lawyers and orgs present who could help with name change stuff, but again, there was little to know way to find them in the crowd(edited)
The press conference was definitely the most impactful allowing for media representation
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The coffee meeting was more like a social gathering than a meeting of representatives but it was a good opportunity to meet allies which Hayden seemed make good use of
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OAT is a multi-ideology org, its built into our points of unity. this event today just overall didnt feel useful. ill be a lib and be chummy with representatives if i feel like its making progress, but there were problems as follows:
-there was no way to tell who was a rep and who wasnt at the coffee event, when there are only 2-3 reps and 50 people this makes it hard to do the whole "coffee and talk" thing
-with the meeting, we just spent like an hour and 15 minutes reading a phamplet they gave us that had basic info on the bills. most people showing up at 10am on a thursday already know this, and it would have been a far better use of time to hand us the literature and then talk about something else. i really liked the brief mention of lawyers and orgs present who could help with name change stuff, but again, there was little to know way to find them in the crowd (edited)
I felt that the first part was more of a networking opportunity, which I found useful if only to see some of y'all in person. It didn't help that hutto, the only senator I saw, was around for about 90 seconds
Gave me reassurance seeing a decent amount of people there tho. I've been on hrt for 3 years and have barely met any of other trans people so I didn't know how much support there would be
ColorfulKnoll
Gave me reassurance seeing a decent amount of people there tho. I've been on hrt for 3 years and have barely met any of other trans people so I didn't know how much support there would be
I've tried some of those grand strategy games but I can't support paradox due to their pricing policies. It's clearly taking advantage of their consumer base
if i have to use more than about 3 fingers at once it all just starts becoming random inputs anyway
ColorfulKnoll
I've tried some of those grand strategy games but I can't support paradox due to their pricing policies. It's clearly taking advantage of their consumer base
Hey all. Thanks for coming today. I know it was a major challenge for some, and extremely frustrating for others.
I want you all to know I appreciate each of you.
This is going to take ALL OF US, working in our respective ways and spaces. Sometimes we will cross-pollinate and disagree on strategy - that's fine and even healthy.
We all have a role in this, and contribute where and how we can.
So thank you for showing up today. I promise it made a difference (how big? IDK) even if it isn't apparent right now.
Didnt realize the article was written before the press conference ><
[a great practice, don't report on the news, just report news will he reported very cook Nevin]
Hi folx,
Thank you for all the incredible organizing that you're doing and for showing up at the statehouse yesterday! Your presence made a positive impact for trans people in our state, despite the missteps and miscommunications from the coordinators. Even with all the chaos of the day, we got some solid media coverage that will hopefully continue throughout session.
There were so many lessons learned yesterday. For starters, advocates would have been better served by having greeters to help orient people to the space, to introduce new advocates to the legislators in the room, and to help people understand the flow of the day. We could have handed out printed agendas and resource folders. We could have opened with some remarks during the coffee hour. We could have done more intentional outreach with BIPOC and People of the Global Majority-led orgs. The training could have prepared you better for legislator visits and writing testimony. There could have been better communication about the day overall. As a member of the SC United team, I share in the responsibility for how yesterday shook out, and I commit to serving you better.
I would love to hear your feedback about your experiences. If you would feel comfortable sharing, please reach out to me at mmoore@scwren.org. I will compile your feedback and share it with the SC United steering committee after removing all personally identifying information.
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In the coming weeks, WREN will host some trainings that may be of interest to the group. We will offer training on mental health first aid facilitated by a queer led therapist collective called Amaryllis Counseling, street medic training facilitated by Transgender Awareness Alliance in collaboration with ARM, marshaling, legal observing, deep persuasion canvassing, SC lawmaking 101 with a train-the-trainer session, and more. If you have trainings that you are leading, please let us know and we'll cross promote. We'd also love to co-host trainings so that we're making the most impact with our limited time resources. I would gladly accompany folx on legislator visits if it would feel supportive.
This group inspires me, and I look forward to building, learning, and growing with you.
sorry im just seeing this now, im currently working to get an ARM training session for csoc sometime in early March and would love to talk with whoever can help with that(edited)
It’s my job, may as well help you all keep tabs too
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Senate is having some guy grandstand about how the government is going to steal all of our guns
Not as relevant, but he’s talking about emperors and nails and how people don’t know how to use guns but should still be able to have them
Whatever your feelings on guns, it’s a very fun and very poorly made argument
Shooting himself in the foot, so to speak(edited)
Bernie
Senate is having some guy grandstand about how the government is going to steal all of our guns
Not as relevant, but he’s talking about emperors and nails and how people don’t know how to use guns but should still be able to have them
Whatever your feelings on guns, it’s a very fun and very poorly made argument
Shooting himself in the foot, so to speak (edited)
It’s just noise to make noise, we don’t need the SC legislature to pass a Second Amendment Protection Act
It’s the Constitution
There’s more powerful institutions already doing that
I wish they were more honest. I appreciate bulls in china shops, at least they don't know their ass from their elbows, but if they had an inkling of how to make this shit stick...
A lot of them are honest but only when on the campaign trail. Like Verdin's campaign platform mentions believing in transphobic and homophobic ideas ( hiding it behind Christian values tho, He's part of the free Presbyterian church which is a homophobic and transphobic calvanist church)
It's not honest, tho. They invent fears to hide their ignorance. Like Tim Pool (cw transphobia) saying "alternate forms of kinship" can only mean "grooming" not "yes, this is the child we called our son, but now they are our daughter/child/goblin." They know their objections aren't worth the stains on their souls, but they fear. They call bravery the fear of shame, sending men and now women and others (MORE TRANS DRONE PILOTS ) to die or face scorn and while they may be there for their "Band of Brothers" (as the Nazis were) what brought them there was the fear of ostracism and rejection. To quote Col Kurtz from Apocalypse Now, "They lie, and we must be merciful to those who lie...I hate them."
We are taught to see people as flawed, but good actors. But to get all biblical (when have i ever) we know them by their fruits. They shut out any debate while claiming no one will listen to them. We listen, we disagree, we back up what we are saying and we "debunk" and "own" them. That's why my speech was going to call them out specifically. Even if it did nothing, I wanted them to know we see them. They can rule, but they cannot hide
Good news: Dana Yow is testifying in the committee, she’s an absolute delight and as far as I remember, a decent ally. Idk if ours is the one she’s testifying on tho
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They say the committee meeting is scheduled to start at 1:50
Given the tomf*ckery they’ve been pulling I would suggest some aggressive (in the sense of not stopping till we’ve had a say) actions where we fill an office, someone reads a prepared statement while the others prevent anyone stopping them by linking arms, and then leave
The gall on these people demanding quality education when they can’t even proofread their bills (there’s a provision that would make my mother rip out hair) or broadcasts
Hmm hopefully the k-12 subcommittee link will work
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Meanwhile, We’re gonna host an informal drop in space tomorrow night at 6 for folx who wanna practice testimony. Rapid Organizers hosting for South Carolinians to come process the state of the state address and prepare to give testimony
When: 1.25.23 6-7:30 pm
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Did I hear right? Did it pass through the subcommittee unanimously? I’m still doing a write up of the main meeting and heard something in the background
If it’s passed out of full, it’ll go to the house floor for 2nd reading. Third reading it passes the house and onto the senate to lather, rinse, repeat
based on our preliminary number of thumbs up i think it's a good idea to set up a class @pickles- they/them (mel) what materials/etc would you need for this
based on our preliminary number of thumbs up i think it's a good idea to set up a class @pickles- they/them (mel) what materials/etc would you need for this
I think a discord call with a screen-shared PowerPoint could work
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based on our preliminary number of thumbs up i think it's a good idea to set up a class @pickles- they/them (mel) what materials/etc would you need for this
Hey folks, I'm working on preparing a statement for the next hearing on H 3278. I had some questions:
1.) Given the scope of the bill and the minute allotment of time we are each given to present all our feelings on the bill, do we want to coordinate what we say, identifying as OAT so we can cosign each objection without taking up our whole time?
2.) Do we want to have the first speaker issue their statement explaining what we are doing so everyone who comes after can say, "I'm Matt with OAT" and therefore identify what we are doing and connecting all of our grievances?
3.) Should we point out that the last hearing saw speaker after speaker identify real world fears and effects that are already happening and then the vote went the same as it was going in?
4.) Should we add something else, since this is all the things I would like to say but can't cram into a minute? I could write fifteen one-minute pieces on how this bill is a tub of shite and still not get everything in, but we are only allowed enough time to say "me like/me no like"
5.) If anyone wants to see if I'm going a little too hard (since I will be identifying as OAT, I'll tone it down, but frankly facepunching would be kinder than this garbage deserves) here's the link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11nUgfZCdtJtwEJQ16yNFuV_YwgHTyC96jexllz09wxY/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks, all!
At the last hearing, it was made clear that part of this bill’s purpose is to prevent children from feeling “responsible” for the actions of their forebears. I would like to address that in my brief time allotted. First, while this has come up over and over in various contexts, I have never hear...
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It's too long now, and I will be editing it today, but I welcome comments and suggestions on how to cut it down without losing its impact
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It's too long now, and I will be editing it today, but I welcome comments and suggestions on how to cut it down without losing its impact
i have a written statement prepared for h3730/s274 i wouldnt mind people critiquing, but its obviously very personal so im only going to share it closer in
i have a written statement prepared for h3730/s274 i wouldnt mind people critiquing, but its obviously very personal so im only going to share it closer in
If I can just take a moment to mention how much it has meant that everyone here has made space for me and brought me into the fold without reservation. There is every reason to hold ourselves closed and guard against vulnerability, but that is not what I have seen. All of you have had a world of shit heaped on your heads, but you've allowed me to share this struggle and these actions with you, and I pledge I will do everything I can to make your cause mine and laugh, cry and bleed with you. I really cannot express what it means to me. Thank you all, and I swear to you I'm here till the war is won.
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Yep zoom would work :) is there a day that works for you?
Just make sure you stay in the centre areas, most wings have nothing relevant/accessible, all the big talk is in the upstairs lobby. The bright side is it’s symmetrical, downside is . . . it’s symmetrical
Anyone gonna be in atl or have contacts in GA this monday?Monday? I've been asked if I know anyone because they are worried about violence from counter protestors
REMINDER FOR ANY IN PERSON ACTION
Don’t go alone. Have someone to come with and someone to leave with. Have a plan for leaving. Cover your face. Masks will be provided but bring your own if you can. Know you’re probably going to be on camera. For this action in particular, it would be beneficial to us not to provoke direct physical confrontations, but know there’s a possibility of the other side physically confronting us and have a plan for if that’s the case.
That’s TP
From what I’ve seen of them this year, they’re not very aggressive. They seem to want to be respectable and then do that annoying trolling stuff that isn’t quite hostile but has plausible deniability on rudeness to a random person not versed in these issues
if it is the ben shapiro style thing, iirc the whole secret is they have you say your piece, then respond with something that mainly sounds correct to their audience even if it is very tangential, and take the mic from you while they're doing that so you can't interrupt them.
There won’t be a microphone, the room will be small
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if it is the ben shapiro style thing, iirc the whole secret is they have you say your piece, then respond with something that mainly sounds correct to their audience even if it is very tangential, and take the mic from you while they're doing that so you can't interrupt them.
Oh yeah, might be worth mentioning: do not talk about destroying posters if you think there could be an undercover reporter for the local right wing newspaper recording you. Probably too specific to be useful but that's what happened to SDS at Clemson and made them have to disband...
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Especially with how relatively chill this is shaping up to be, I’m somewhat disappointed that IRIS doesn’t want to have any official involvement
On a personal level, I am too, but it’s our President’s decision and Ray has made it clear he doesn’t want the IRIS name associated with this. It’s still in our server and people who are also in IRIS will hopefully be there, though.
Russel House staff has also found out what’s happening and there will be a lot of professional staff in the building in case anything happens. If anything happens, our queer coordinator for OMSA has their number available to the IRIS board and will be willing to defend our side as long as we’re not the ones starting anything. (IRIS is not officially involved in this, but several of our members will be in attendance as part of other organizations they're a part of)(edited)
An increasing number of transgender minors are seeking help during the development of their gender identity and transitioning. Understanding their cha…
BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVES. Concerns about early childhood social transitions among transgender youth include that these youth may later change their gender identification (ie, retransition), a process that could be distressing. The current study aimed to provide the first estimate of retransitioning and to report the current gender identities of...
Of those who had detransitioned, 82.5% reported at least one external driving factor.
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A total of 15.9% of respondents reported at least one internal driving factor, including fluctuations in or uncertainty regarding gender identity.
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Conclusion: Among TGD adults with a reported history of detransition, the vast majority reported that their detransition was driven by external pressures. Clinicians should be aware of these external pressures, how they may be modified, and the possibility that patients may once again seek gender affirmation in the future.
Looked at their insta story, someone near the back has cameras out in case y'all hadn't seen them in particular. On the left side of the theatre.(edited)
Y’all stay safe out there and have a good time showing out at them. I wouldn’t have half the courage to be on camera doing anything like this, but it means a lot to see so many of you up there. ❤️
We do not condemn the tactics that individuals in this movement choose to use to oppose queerphobia and transphobia, as long as they don’t compromise any of our other values or points of unity. Legislative action and direct action are different tools in the same toolkit. A diversity of tactics is key to our liberation
I'll post it in the book discussion setting as well, but I wanted to mention A Critique of Pure Tolerance, an anthology of three philosophical essays on the concept of tolerance. Herbert Marcuse's "Repressive Tolerance" is particularly relevant to the guidelines the University attempted to impose on tonight's participants. Marginalized groups are not obliged to tolerate speech that denies their full humanity! "Power concedes nothing without a demand." Frederick Douglass
"The more outrageous the demands, the more likely substantive concessions will eventually be made." Me(edited)
They had to make sure the opportunity to make announcements and sign up for things closed before we knew about them, like making announcements that were outside the c3 limitations. Hypocrisy on Parade!
the whole thing was clearly run in a way to try and avoid us. the 2 days notice was very deliberate, since it takes 3 days to reserve a space. they knew we'd commit fuckery and try to sandwich their meeting with our own (very gay) events
If they were good faith actors, they would have invited a panel of speakers on both sides of whatever they think the issues are, but they wanted to put a stick in people's eyes, not have an honest conversation. That's why acting out was the correct response.(edited)
that's why I suggested asking them questions they won't ask themselves -- it helps them to truly understand, it concedes nothing, and it is the most fun use of your time
"Hi! hope theres no hard feelings for your little meeting! btw, heres a bunch of studies on why everything you said is demonstrably wrong! love you besties xoxoxo"
I have a lot of thoughts on the CRT issue, like for one it is A. simply a snappy term B. It’s not being taught in any K-12 public school, it is a higher level law concept C. The reason it is so “scary” is because it challenges a very specific worldview
I hate to reflect that I was against the idea of this event early on. Mostly paranoia that it would get violent or we’d all get un trouble with the university. After seeing how it turned out I rly wanna thank all the ppl that pushed this.
Hopefully I'll start recognizing more of yall as we work together more instead of just knowing yall though the apps. I've been working accross the room from people who I don't remember their names for like 2 years . But I was the redhead in the red shirt handing out stickers last night.
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I hate to reflect that I was against the idea of this event early on. Mostly paranoia that it would get violent or we’d all get un trouble with the university. After seeing how it turned out I rly wanna thank all the ppl that pushed this.
I was looking around before and after briefly because I was worried bout that fragile masculinity acting up. Was more chill then I thought, revealed those children to be actually children in their ideas.
I questioned whether advertising this event to this channel and others was the right thing to do at first, but I can safely say that doing so was the right thing to do and I’m glad I did(edited)
Bigots are always cowards and will not risk what they view as their "superior" life for an "inferior" one. They only act when there is a clear, guaranteed opportunity to do more harm than harm they recieve. In that situation, they could not act to risk their schooling or their physical well-being.
I have an exam that morning, sadly. But I have a feeling the legislature will probably be more inclined to listen to medical professionals than trans people anyway. I think that's SC United's strategy
Do they know what committee this is or the rooms or anything? I may be missing it, but I don’t see any relevant committees meeting that day with public testimony or that bill on the agenda
That’s another thing. Has it been brought up in another form during this current legislative session? There can’t be two concurrent bills with the same number as far as I’m aware
And the 209 Medical Affairs meeting is in Gressette (the senate building) and that 2021 bill was left in the House. Also, the Medical Affairs meeting is on the 29th, a Wednesday. Correct me if I’m wrong on anything though, these are just cursory observations
Individuals’ remarks must be limited to two minutes each
[ ... ]
Registration will be offered in one of four categories (maximum of 12 participants each)
* S. 627 -- speaking FOR the bill
* S. 627 -- speaking AGAINST the bill
* S. 623 (Re: Doc. 5118) -- speaking FOR the bill
* S. 623 (Re: Doc. 5118) -- speaking AGAINST the bill
they ask people wanting to testify to sign up via a google form which is no longer taking responses. Does this impact the plans for the in person protest tommorow? should we assume that we will be denied the opportinity to testify & prepare flags and signs to hold up in the room?
Individuals’ remarks must be limited to two minutes each
[ ... ]
Registration will be offered in one of four categories (maximum of 12 participants each)
* S. 627 -- speaking FOR the bill
* S. 627 -- speaking AGAINST the bill
* S. 623 (Re: Doc. 5118) -- speaking FOR the bill
* S. 623 (Re: Doc. 5118) -- speaking AGAINST the bill
they ask people wanting to testify to sign up via a google form which is no longer taking responses. Does this impact the plans for the in person protest tommorow? should we assume that we will be denied the opportinity to testify & prepare flags and signs to hold up in the room?
The google form was closed apparently because the official sign up slots were already filled. So there should be people there on either side in the right amounts
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Well, the stated amounts. No amount of people for this bill is good
for those who aren't signed up to testify, is there a benefit to showing up anyways? are we allowed to bring signs or flags or anything into the committe room?
Hopefully the people for these bills are bogus experts from out of state.
Anabelle (She/Her/Hers)
for those who aren't signed up to testify, is there a benefit to showing up anyways? are we allowed to bring signs or flags or anything into the committe room?
If there are no-shows to speak, people can sign up to replace them. Also, as it says, you can submit testimony electronically
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And for those speaking against it, it always helps to have friendly faces at your back when you’re staring down a committee of people who are trying to ruin lives
We also are allowed to sign up to speak if one of the people fails to show up. So having 100's of people show up to speak against the bills is still quite powerful.
SECTION 2. The Department of Health and Environmental Control shall promulgate regulations concerning the affidavit referred to in Section 44-63-100(F) as added by this act
…. see, that’s interesting because there’s currently legislation in the works aimed at dismantling DHEC into a series of other smaller departments or folding their various functions into existing departments(edited)
the older bill allows for adults to change their birth certificate sex only after a doctor signs an affadavit certifying that the person has done grs:
(F) A petition for gender change must be accompanied by an affidavit on a form prepared by the Department of Health and Environmental Control from the petitioner and an affidavit from a licensed physician attesting that the petitioner has undergone a gender change procedure. The affidavits must both state that, as a result of the gender change procedure:
(1) there has been a physical change to the person's biological sex that corresponds with the opposite biological sex;
(2) medical treatment necessary to complete the gender change is complete except for ongoing procedures or treatments necessary to maintain the gender change; and
(3) the gender change is permanent.
i think that's what the new bill (s623) is supposed to do? but like, this section is from s364.
Yeah, this can happen. Kind of went on a whole ramble that was more policy nonsense than anything, but basically bills get killed and replaced all the time as legislators negotiate for what they want.
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Seems like a lazy copy and paste job to take some stuff out, typical legislature stuff
;;; damn. I just finished getting all my stuff ready
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I'm a 20 min drive out; maybe someone can make a hippa argument though
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cause to be fair; You'd be violating a student's personal health records in a way if they don't want their parents to see that part of their record. I'm pretty sure laws around hippa still apply to minors
It makes it so they don’t have people there who got slots to speak. Supporters there could theoretically sign up to the stand by list to speak in support in place of no-shows, but as we saw today, there weren’t a whole lot of those compared to our groups
I will point out that I have been in quite a few public testimony hearings. Speakers regularly blow right past their time limits, they work in twice the number of speakers who signed up, etc., and it’s just fine when it’s law enforcement or business interests or their donor friends. They simply don’t want to hear us and what we have to say.
is there a requirement that they open the comitte to public comment?
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like beyond optics, what's stopping the chairmain from just saying "we won't be hearing from the public on this" or telling people "you have to testify for the bill or you can't show up"
So I just want to make sure I've been keeping up with events properly: since the one in December, how many other anti-drag protests have there been in the state?
Hey folx! I noticed OAT is planning a TDoV event at the statehouse. Are y’all coordinating with transgender awareness Alliance? They have this happening.
Is anyone who’s organizing statehouse events tomorrow willing to collab with transgender awareness Alliance? They’re legally liable for what happens on the grounds.
Is anyone who’s organizing statehouse events tomorrow willing to collab with transgender awareness Alliance? They’re legally liable for what happens on the grounds.
We figured we’d do a separate rally in the Upstate so there would be more turnout for anyone that can’t get to Columbia. If someone has their contact info I can reach out to them though.
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We figured we’d do a separate rally in the Upstate so there would be more turnout for anyone that can’t get to Columbia. If someone has their contact info I can reach out to them though.
Ah no not the Greenville one. I saw there were other events planned at the statehouse. Transgender awareness Alliance got a permit for the entire statehouse grounds and since they will be legally on the hook for the events
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Sorry didn’t mean to press send. They wanted to connect with the other organizers
Since I have time I’ll be at the statehouse from about 11 tomorrow. I’ll have med supplies on me especially since the trump indictment and the Nashville shooting just happened.
i have class until 2 and so ill get there around 2
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Since I have time I’ll be at the statehouse from about 11 tomorrow. I’ll have med supplies on me especially since the trump indictment and the Nashville shooting just happened.
Yes please! I don't have more info, but I will say that if you want to attend the actual event, I recommend arriving around 6:15 bc tickets don't gurantee entry, so it looks like we won't be going to the counter-protest unfortunately. I'm planning to grill Candace on Palestinian or indigenous rights; I haven't decided yet lol
What I learned from tonight's event: (tw transphobia) Apparently I'm a horrible evil backwards corrupt miserable destructive freak show who's going to burn in hell
I'd think that Mother's Day one is just to do something nice and get to block them. If we're blocking the other weekend, that one is probably a may day or anti-confederate thing if I'm following the conversation
We can do the permit if necessary. I'm at a computer right now and can start filling out the form, but we'd need a more concrete plan in terms of what's happening to fill it out. They want to know attendee numbers (we can ballpark), any props/equipment/decorations we're bringing, etc.(edited)
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Also, it's important to read all of their rules, consider what sort of things like electrical access we'll need to request and coordinate with facilities, etc.
great! Also, just a note, food/drinks can't be sold, but they can be given out for free. Can anyone think of any other groups we might want to see about reaching out to as this gets planned? I'm not super on top of who all we're working to get to know as far as #org-building goes
I know @WhichWitch17 has the phone number of a mom from that group and could get the ball rolling on at least the group that comes to USC if you're waiting a while(edited)
The organisation information isn't required, did we want it to be an event with OAT's name or should we just have a person sign on as the organiser (the individual one is required)
Needed:
- Clear description of event purpose
- Major items being brought
- Organiser Info (someone to take responsibility for the event and be the point of contact between Admin/grounds and OAT)
- Possible other points of contact during the event itself (can be different than the event organiser)(edited)
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And that's all that's needed for the form, after that it's the hard work of reaching out and coordinating and making it happen
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Same for May Day. It's not a super complicated form, we just need some details to be decided before we submit the requests.
It may also give us time to hear back from mom groups, consider who we might partner with for May Day, and allow us to think about numbers at each event and the needs we're not considering now with more minds and time to think on it.
The Republican candidate in Donald Trump’s congressional district is known for her long record of extreme racist statements, which have seen her banned from multiple online platforms
She's almost entirely irrelevant. Got laughed out of her election attempt in Florida, is cartoonishly antisemitic despite being jewish. Couldn't even chain herself to a pair of double doors properly.
Meritocracy is a lie and the paid speaking / political punditry racket is the failson perpetual-motion machine.
seeing these people fail so miserably and still getting propped up really gives me hope
even if this whole "being a functional human being " thing doesn't work out, I can always become meme fodder masquerading as an inept right-wing pundit
The former president recently directed advisers to give Ms. Loomer, who has a long history of bigoted remarks, a role in support of his candidacy, people familiar with the move said.
Idk if they could throw vandalism or destruction of property at you, but if someone cared they could probably do something at least at the university level
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Thankfully, most people don’t care or aren’t paid to care enough about it to bother
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Or will assume it’s your poster or you have a reason to do what you’re doing
Trump told aides to hire far-right activist Laura Loomer, according to new reporting from New York Times.
So who is Laura Loomer? We put together a list of all the terrible things she's said or done. A thread: https://t.co/p0VaVdkvX2
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) warned former President Trump against hiring far-right activist Laura Loomer, calling her “mentally unstable” and a “documented liar.” Greene tweeted on Fr…
ty ty for lmk. hopefully we can show up or something
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Idk if they could throw vandalism or destruction of property at you, but if someone cared they could probably do something at least at the university level
I was walking through a park and saw an ant bed. I told my exes kid, "check it out, they're not red ants so they don't bite," and put my hand in the ants bed. I left it there for maybe 10-15 seconds. Looked like the Spiderman black suit was covering up to my forearm. Then I realized I was wrong, black ants do bite.
@Upstate SC save the date:
April 19 is currently the expected date for a visit from DeSantis in Spartanburg.
Venue and time still unknown.
Stay tuned for updates as we organize around new info.
Kimbrell is expecting to throw Ron a softball because they think the Upstate is only bigots. Would be nice to prove otherwise and depress the campaign before it even starts.
i made an event for the desantis event we can update it as we get more info. but now that we have a date we can keep all the details in the same place.
I looked it up to see if I could find any further details but all I can find is the same news story just reposted across a ton of different news outlets
I’ve been having a shit week so far so I took my frustration out on one of these evil ass posters by ripping it up in righteous anger and slamming it in the trash can where it belongs(edited)
@everyone the DeSantis Spartanburg visit will be on April 19 at 5:30p at First Baptist North Spartanburg. It is a free event to attend, but you must register through Eventbrite. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-florida-blueprint-ft-special-guest-gov-ron-desantis-spartanburg-tickets-598592675807
Maybe one thing we could do right now is make as many fake registrations as the system allows so more people get shut out.
Disruption on-site will be difficult due to it being in a private building with plenty of on-site parking.
Would welcome ideas from this group.
He hasn't announced a run, so it isn't a campaign. It's going to be him bragging about what he did in FL, then winking into the camera as he says "and this could happen nationally with the right man in office"
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Looks like you might be able to register groups of four multiple times
@everyone the DeSantis Spartanburg visit will be on April 19 at 5:30p at First Baptist North Spartanburg. It is a free event to attend, but you must register through Eventbrite. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-florida-blueprint-ft-special-guest-gov-ron-desantis-spartanburg-tickets-598592675807
Maybe one thing we could do right now is make as many fake registrations as the system allows so more people get shut out.
Disruption on-site will be difficult due to it being in a private building with plenty of on-site parking.
Would welcome ideas from this group.
It's a tactic that can be done now, but I'm not saying it is the only tactic.
On that note though - I would welcome input or suggestions of additional ways to disrupt.
Well because if the venue thinks 1000 people are coming at only 200 do, that means they are more likely to spend more time and energy in prep, staff etc for the event. Also this tactic is minimal effort, free, and anyone can do it, so it seems pointless to dissuade people from doing it
Actually, I don’t condemn the tactic of spamming the event Brite j just don’t think we should put all our organizing effort (and all our names and email addresses) into it
Also do we know what capacity the venue has and if people can get tickets at the door
Cyprus
Actually, I don’t condemn the tactic of spamming the event Brite j just don’t think we should put all our organizing effort (and all our names and email addresses) into it
I think it seats at least 2,000 people. Hayden is right - nobody is asking anyone to give their REAL personally identifiable information. Eventbrite doesn't validate any of the input you give them, so it can all be bullshit as long as it "looks" real enough.
This is not the only tactic - but as Hayden said, it is very low effort and can be done now - leading up to the event. On the off chance they have a limited number of spots according to the venue's size, or they don't allow people to get tickets the day of, then there is an opportunity to lock people out of the event by making the seats scarce.
Being present in person is absolutely helpful as well, and if y'all want to do a Signal chat to talk about that, I am more than happy to discuss.
unless the protest is big enough to pick up local news coverage, i don’t think our actions will reach an audience beyond the people at the event. if our audience is limited to people at the event, then i don’t think antagonism is the right strategy. even if we get massive turnout they’ll probably outnumber us 1000-100. If we are heavily outnumbered, i feel like antagonism has a greater chance of emboldening them instead of scaring them.
granted, if y’all wanna yell at the child abusers (hyper conservative christians), i understand that & think y’all should.
it's a good venue for desantis tbh. Enough seating to get anybody important in plus random people, a church reinforces his ties to Christofascism, private property gives them leeway against counter protestors
What's hilarious is that he is polling like 20 points behind trump. As in the Nikki Haley ballpark. Some of the quotes might be Trumpers saying they don't like him
Lynnie (she/her)
@everyone the DeSantis Spartanburg visit will be on April 19 at 5:30p at First Baptist North Spartanburg. It is a free event to attend, but you must register through Eventbrite. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-florida-blueprint-ft-special-guest-gov-ron-desantis-spartanburg-tickets-598592675807
Maybe one thing we could do right now is make as many fake registrations as the system allows so more people get shut out.
Disruption on-site will be difficult due to it being in a private building with plenty of on-site parking.
Would welcome ideas from this group.
Also, if any of you have contacts at Clemson Uni. who can mobilize some student groups on their own, there's a TPUSA event there the same day and same time centered around "saving women's sports"
Ex-gay New York Times-bestselling author and global political sensation MILO YIANNOPOULOS will talk about free speech, faith, conversion therapy, hair style, and more!
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Looks like the loomer people also hosted milo yabbadabbado
cw: conversion therapy
he’s like,opening a center where gay men can shock themselves out of their queerness, and he’s like, straight up whimsical about the process
Yeah here it is. We actually found one of their posters in our meeting room. I think they met right before we did lol. I can talk to my members about what we wanna do.
Drew
Yeah here it is. We actually found one of their posters in our meeting room. I think they met right before we did lol. I can talk to my members about what we wanna do.
I'm just glad I'm busy that night and don't have to think about it. I wasn't in the right headspace to listen to Candace Owens and I'm definitely not in the right headspace for this shit.
Lynnie (she/her)
@everyone the DeSantis Spartanburg visit will be on April 19 at 5:30p at First Baptist North Spartanburg. It is a free event to attend, but you must register through Eventbrite. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-florida-blueprint-ft-special-guest-gov-ron-desantis-spartanburg-tickets-598592675807
Maybe one thing we could do right now is make as many fake registrations as the system allows so more people get shut out.
Disruption on-site will be difficult due to it being in a private building with plenty of on-site parking.
Would welcome ideas from this group.
Who needs a ride for the Desantis protest tomorrow? I'm out on the Broad River side of Columbia on the way to Spartanburg. I have a van that can hold 6 passengers
@ceryone OAT is protesting Laura loomer’s event tonight at 7pm, its being moved to the graduate hotels near capstone. this is where we will have the rally! show up bring your friends! the address is 1619 pendleton st
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@robin (they/it) can you update your post to say graduate hotels and include the address
For whoever is putting it in the IRIS around campus chat:
Organize Against Transphobia (OAT) is protesting Laura Loomer’s event tonight at 7PM, being held at the Graduate Hotel (1619 Pendleton St). If you can’t attend our Lavender Grad meeting tonight, this is another event worth attending.
+ the Laura Loomer poster
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This is our last meeting to say goodbye to our graduating seniors and I have to/want to be there, but good luck tonight
And this venue is easier to protest I think since the lobby is right there. One thing to make sure of is that all protesters leave in groups and are not followed. Loomer is likely to say a bunch of incendiary shit that will rile people up into wanted to attack peeps.
And also coordinating rides home rather than people walking or taking buses home is safest
Victor (they/them)
And this venue is easier to protest I think since the lobby is right there. One thing to make sure of is that all protesters leave in groups and are not followed. Loomer is likely to say a bunch of incendiary shit that will rile people up into wanted to attack peeps.
GET TICKETS Join us for a speech by political activist Laura Loomer on how she became the most censored woman in the world. Tuesday, April 18th Doors Open: 7:00 pm Event Starts: 8:00 pm 315 Russell House, University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC Priority Access for Students TICKETS All attendees must show a valid form
GET TICKETS Join us for a speech by political activist Laura Loomer on how she became the most censored woman in the world. Tuesday, April 18th Doors Open: 7:00 pm Event Starts: 8:00 pm 315 Russell House, University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC Priority Access for Students TICKETS All attendees must show a valid form
It’s also a place you can go if there’s overflow and you don’t want to wait in that upstairs lobby or you get too heated or Russell people try and push you all further off. IRIS is having our lavender graduation, but you all are welcome to come join us, we’re a very friendly bunch
Watching y'all on her live stream right now and the camera just got a solid three seconds that was nothing but the word "nazis" on a sign. Keep up the good work over there.
Watching y'all on her live stream right now and the camera just got a solid three seconds that was nothing but the word "nazis" on a sign. Keep up the good work over there.
Nothing to worry bout then, they've decided to do nothing during, but leave in groups as we planned because they may stop people. If anyone needs me to walk with them, I didn't bring my car, I live close.
21:13
The dean is fucking laughing, what a peice of shit liberal. Told me he has to be neutral and I told him there is no neutral, tolerance paradox, and a Desmond Tutu quote and he invited me to his office. I think he wants me
“so as you can see, right there, they’re not rational. they’re anti free-speech communists and they have no rational”
- the loomster
Caboose
The dean is fucking laughing, what a peice of shit liberal. Told me he has to be neutral and I told him there is no neutral, tolerance paradox, and a Desmond Tutu quote and he invited me to his office. I think he wants me
CHARLESTON, S.C. (WCBD) – Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) will make stops in the Lowcountry Wednesday as part of his Florida Blueprint Event. DeSantis will begin at the North Charleston Col…
Thank you to everyone who came out. I think we made our mark, and we made that nazi cunt feel bad. We did something good today, and I'm proud of everyone who participated
Thank you to everyone who came out. I think we made our mark, and we made that nazi cunt feel bad. We did something good today, and I'm proud of everyone who participated
Yeah Im so proud to know there are so many people willing to stand up in the face of someone like that, and stand tall. Makes me feel a lot safer sticking around in South Carolina for a little longer
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Atticus (he/him)
Watching y'all on her live stream right now and the camera just got a solid three seconds that was nothing but the word "nazis" on a sign. Keep up the good work over there.
the whole sign was nazis r bad from caboose but clearly i couldnt see to line it up correctly. got yelled at a couple times for that. but also one reporter got a bunch of pictures of LL behind the nazis r bad sign
robin (they/it)
the whole sign was nazis r bad from caboose but clearly i couldnt see to line it up correctly. got yelled at a couple times for that. but also one reporter got a bunch of pictures of LL behind the nazis r bad sign
honestly if we can get giant cutouts of whoever's speaking with zoomed in photos of their face, that would be pretty cool
01:05
like who enjoys looking at zoomed in photos of themselves? it's kindof humiliating and would probably throw someone off their toes. and like, i think it's less likely to be seen as violent, which may make it harder for people who are like "muh free speech" when we chant at them
Great turnout! Steel City stood strong against Transphobe Michael Knowles! We had hundreds and they had about 30 in attendance. They hid in the building and ran out the exits while we held the streets. Pittsburgh has a long tradition of solidarity, and we're keeping it that way!
Student employees? I am a student employee (not in Russell House) and when you’re scheduled, you kind of just have to do whatever you get given in a day. I don’t know if it’s the same in Russell House specifically, but I do have sympathy for other student workers working pretty awful jobs
Student employees? I am a student employee (not in Russell House) and when you’re scheduled, you kind of just have to do whatever you get given in a day. I don’t know if it’s the same in Russell House specifically, but I do have sympathy for other student workers working pretty awful jobs
They should be exempt from assignments that go against their firmly held beliefs, especially since bakeries can refuse to make wedding cakes and pharmacists can refuse to fill prescriptions based on their religious claims.
that has a coin flip chance to work, I've tried before
11:11
it depends on your situation and who's above you
Arnold Karr
They should be exempt from assignments that go against their firmly held beliefs, especially since bakeries can refuse to make wedding cakes and pharmacists can refuse to fill prescriptions based on their religious claims.
As Roman said, really depends on your boss. The great thing about Russell is the main people there who tell the student workers what to do kind of, in their own special way, suck.
Bernie
As Roman said, really depends on your boss. The great thing about Russell is the main people there who tell the student workers what to do kind of, in their own special way, suck.
i think that would say everything it needs to about us being labeled as “violent”, showing that the bitch that’s got everybody saying we were violent and threatening was lying
13:27
not that evidence of lies has ever convinced ppl like her followers before
laura loomer driving over gravel for the first time ever
AM I BEING CANCELLED? BY VIOLENT TRANS RADICALS? THIS IS VIOLENCE FROM THE LEFTIST EXTREMISTS!
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13:28
Literally rocks being thrown at my car?!?!?!?
seb it/they
there's a lot of video footage of the event that needs to be processed (faces blurred) and then posted to social media if we want
davinci resolve has a free version and is capable of doing tracking things like this without paying for fancier stuff
14:09
im woefully out of practice and would have to pull some strings to get resolve working on linux, but if anyone else has a computer running windows, i'd recommend resolve
As someone who also has the strange posture of a cartoon villain, I feel very attacked and quite frankly appalled at this horribly offensive statement
Let me hunch in peace
I think it moved from Capstone for space and then from the Graduate to make protesting harder, but they did it the day of so there were only terrible reservation spots left in Russell
For people intending to attend tonight’s DeSantis appearance: any advice or guidance? In general? Sorry if that’s too vague
17:46
I haven’t had the chance to be involved any real-life protests since high school and those were more organized so I am a bit unsure what would be helpful
I'm not able to go, but I will say y'all make sure to scope out the area and choose a good location if you can. It can be easy to get boxed in there (church is up on a hill above a highway...there's only a few ways out) and the people of Boiling Springs are a bit on the fash-side of things.
17:49
I don't know exactly what is planned though so whoever is actually going to be there would be much more help. That is just something I've been thinking about since they announced the location.
Omg, are they asking you to register OAT as a USC student org? don't listen to their bullshit, it's not a USC org, so fuck em. Also say you don't lead it, it's a leaderless coalition of activists that share similar ideologies and struggles. Tell them to prove you lead it
That's fucking rediculous, they invite a nazi to promote white nationalism, islamophobia, and transphobia but have an issue because they alleged you didn't like it. Let's get an ACLU lawyer to take a peek and see what they think
it's likely Code 6C, being defined as "Making, causing, or continuing any loud, unnecessary, or unusual noise that disrupts
the normal operations of the university or infringes on the rights of other members of
the university community or in off-campus living communities."
Last night, USC student organization Uncensored America hosted Laura Loomer on campus after the event was moved from both the Capstone building and Graduate Hotel due to threats. The speech was met with protest from student activists. I'll have more at 4 p.m. on @USCCarolinaNews
There was a small crowd of protestors outside we joined but they immediately dispersed at ~7 which is a bit disappointing.
Was not able to get inside but I did see some people that looked like protestors approaching the entrance
Would someone mind making a summary of events at the loomer protest
19:20
I wasn't really able to keep up with things as they were happening due to a panic attack
Declan
There was a small crowd of protestors outside we joined but they immediately dispersed at ~7 which is a bit disappointing.
Was not able to get inside but I did see some people that looked like protestors approaching the entrance
she was very disrupted. she was late to her own event and was not able to speak for the first 30 minutes because we were shouting. there were a lot of people singing and shouting in the hall that one could hear from inside the room. school officials got heated and threatened arrests/school punishments. she was shouted at all the way out the room then we caught her exiting the back and shout at her until her vehicle drove away. hope this is helpful!
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lai
Asheville residents who pretend to be militant maoists until its time to actually organize to disrupt right wing events
There's only 2 kinds of "maoists" in the US, activists that work with grassroots groups and liberals in their newspaper club that they read themselves while shitting on activists for not being "revolutionary"
she was very disrupted. she was late to her own event and was not able to speak for the first 30 minutes because we were shouting. there were a lot of people singing and shouting in the hall that one could hear from inside the room. school officials got heated and threatened arrests/school punishments. she was shouted at all the way out the room then we caught her exiting the back and shout at her until her vehicle drove away. hope this is helpful!
Another good way to recap with some footage is actually to scroll through her twitter, but be warned for transphobia, basically any ism or phobia, and i saw she rt'ed something using the r slur as well if that means anything for you
The videos are gold, with her captions framing the protestors as like violent and weird and then there's just someone playing a guitar and having queer flags
20:03
I don't blame you, I did with a bunch of my friends back in GA because we're all aggressively trans politicals
20:03
But I couldn't have done it alone, since all of the language is just Not Great
Yeah @Camryn Aisling steer clear of the comments on our Twitter as well then.
20:22
Lotta Loomers came in
20:23
Actually, @Organizer should we maybe make an announcement about that? I don't want ppl going to our Twitter page and inadvertently seeing that shit.(edited)
A-A-Ron (they/them)
Actually, @Organizer should we maybe make an announcement about that? I don't want ppl going to our Twitter page and inadvertently seeing that shit. (edited)
that’s what i’m saying cause you didn’t do anything wrong. even with kim or whatever her name is, you communicated clearly with her and we were all well within our rights the entire time as far as i’m concerned.
let’s be real it’s probably only really used by conservatives who want to protect their right to spew hate speech without being told it’s as vile as it is
it’s only free speech when they agree with it. at least we can acknowledge the free speech of ppl we disagree with, we just use our free speech right back because theirs is full of bigotry
call her hbo max the way she be cancelling everything
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Roman
it's likely Code 6C, being defined as "Making, causing, or continuing any loud, unnecessary, or unusual noise that disrupts
the normal operations of the university or infringes on the rights of other members of
the university community or in off-campus living communities."
Yeah, it's best for outside events. Heaven forbid anyone damage property
Roman
it's likely Code 6C, being defined as "Making, causing, or continuing any loud, unnecessary, or unusual noise that disrupts
the normal operations of the university or infringes on the rights of other members of
the university community or in off-campus living communities."
about this, even if they tried to use this code, couldn’t it be challenged under things like the necessity of a protest are entirely subjective, as well as having a fascist speak to a group of 8 fascist simps (uncensored america) isn’t exactly normal operations?
YoBecca
Were they citing to this code in response to the protest?
They chose to bring an inflammatory politically charged event to campus. Thats on them for our reaction
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cade (he/him)
about this, even if they tried to use this code, couldn’t it be challenged under things like the necessity of a protest are entirely subjective, as well as having a fascist speak to a group of 8 fascist simps (uncensored america) isn’t exactly normal operations?
Also....what function of the university is being disrupted? It's not a classroom building or during class time, you're not interfering w/ employees doing their jobs, etc. To the extent it's a function of the school to promote political speech, t's arguably supportive of that goal.
I looked over the Student run org handbook thing and it required all student orgs to write a risk assessment before hosting an on campus event, and it seems that Uncensored America failed to account for that
I'm not saying these arguments would win in front of a school conduct board. But there is an unconstitutionally void for vagueness argument -- you're not really on notice as to what is forbidden. Obviously strong and hateful speech isn't b/c that's what the school is hosting. When, exactly, does a chant become too long or too loud, enough to violate the code? And would 10 observers seeing the conduct all agree it broke the rule?
It's an unclear rule, intentionally overbroad so it can be applied as the school wants to.
I generally think, if you're getting heat from administrators or law enforcement type folks, then it's always a good idea to have someone in your group who can be a point person to speak to those people. People who can assert what the protesters' rights are, and who can keep a level head and deescalate (at times) or distract (at times).
YoBecca
I'm not saying these arguments would win in front of a school conduct board. But there is an unconstitutionally void for vagueness argument -- you're not really on notice as to what is forbidden. Obviously strong and hateful speech isn't b/c that's what the school is hosting. When, exactly, does a chant become too long or too loud, enough to violate the code? And would 10 observers seeing the conduct all agree it broke the rule?
It's an unclear rule, intentionally overbroad so it can be applied as the school wants to.
I asked them several times explicitly what law they were threatening to arrest us under in the room, the only response was USC policy. When i said that wasnt legally enforceable and asked what policy, they wouldnt cite specific policy, if that helps
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seb it/they
Or would that just be adding more people who would tell us what to do
If there are allies or members who could actually as legal observers, it's worth discussing, I think. But also a non-lawyer person running interference w/ the LEOs can be helpful. And that way everyone else can focus on the action instead of arguing with the cops/admins
outside we had multiple people running interference on LEOs and school officals (shout out to @felix@Cyprus@Victor (they/them)) but our limited knowledge i think was somewhat of a restraint
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22:10
(pinging so those people can also ask any questions they might have)
22:12
(also members of the MSA were handling the russell house people very competently)
(Also could be good to have a plan of different stages of protest -- so if it gets to the point where you can't be loud w/o getting removed or arrested, is there a different strategy you can use to disrupt and/or protest. Like something visual, or phone alarms going off randomly, or....??? What makes sense would depend on what the goal is.)
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seb it/they
(also members of the MSA were handling the russell house people very competently)
Me and Cyprus talked to Ryan and he said that any student org "in good standing" can invite speakers to campus. So we should look into what is required to move an org into bad standing and see if tpusa or YAF have broken rules. For this event, the org is new, but we could still try to see if theres anything to knock them into bad standing. He said he would be willing to help tho he is still usc admin so theres a distance there.
On a more positive note, if you’d like an org in good standing to try to bring in a speaker to USC that we’d actually like to have, IRIS and I’m sure CSOC could try if other factors like cost can be covered by the uni
There's also an LGBT faculty caucus on campus, in terms of people who may have things to say and the credentials/experience to have something different and substantive to say in a speaker-style setting
i think the best way to go if we do a joint event would be a panel discussion on anti-fascism and activism against it, the orgs involved could choose maybe 4 speakers, since 1 feels a little too focused and idk who we could get that’s compelling enough to be the only speaker
I feel like secular society is very easy to accomplish bc as I said at the friends meeting I went to, anything can be the holy spirit; love, friendship, comradery, etc [idk ignore me I've been up all day haha]
Declan
There was a small crowd of protestors outside we joined but they immediately dispersed at ~7 which is a bit disappointing.
Was not able to get inside but I did see some people that looked like protestors approaching the entrance
Thank you for coming. It was..... complicated to pull off.
Effectively, some much more privileged people claimed to take lead on organizing something, and then dropped it in my lap Tuesday morning. Knowing so many of the attendees were septuagenarians and I had practically nobody with security experience, I had to opt for minimal risk tactics.
Lesson learned - don't trust rich old white cis women.
Thank you for coming. It was..... complicated to pull off.
Effectively, some much more privileged people claimed to take lead on organizing something, and then dropped it in my lap Tuesday morning. Knowing so many of the attendees were septuagenarians and I had practically nobody with security experience, I had to opt for minimal risk tactics.
Lesson learned - don't trust rich old white cis women.
I apologize for being so negative without thinking about the difficulties that come with planning this kind of thing. I’m still glad we had an opportunity to do what we did anyway and I appreciate your effort and time
If it wasn't the firework, it would have been the smoke bombs.
If not the smoke bombs, it would have been the effigy.
If not the effigy, it would have been yelling at cops.
If not the yelling, it would have been showing up in black.
Peace police will never be happy, ignore them
On Tuesday night, students gathered in support of and in opposition to Conservative speaker Laura Loomer, who was hosted by the student group Uncensored America to give a speech on censorship.
15:21
Mark shook the free speech heckler's veto guy is apparently the dean of students(edited)
“University Spokesperson Jeff Stensland said that while the Carolinian Creed urges students on campus to engage in civil discussion and debate, USC does not prohibit constitutionally protected speech.” Doesn’t it literally say discourage bigotry Though
Student orgs are allowed to bring bigoted speakers according to ryan gross
15:23
because the university can't take sides about student orgs
15:23
Marc Shook, the dean of students at USC, entered the room with USCPD around 8:45, asked to see people's CarolinaCards and told students that they could potentially be arrested for disrupting the event because of the heckler's veto, which, according to Shook, means that it is illegal to behave in a manner that prohibits a speaker from sharing their views.
15:23
This is a tactic employed by Mark Shook known as "lying"
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So Im combing through the footage of Laura leaving and Im noticing a few problems. We dont have any clips that show the entirety of her getting in the car and driving all the way out past the bull garage. The longest one I have is her pulling out of the parking lot, and it cuts with people going up to her car. We dont really have a good way to refute the idea that nobody threw rocks at her car (not saying that would have been a bad thing)
18:07
The other issue is there are so many of us in frame in 80% of the footage that I wont be able to hide people's identities without blocking almost all of the frame. Which makes it look like we are intentionally hiding what they are accusing us of
18:08
Also we got a great shot of someone spitting at/on Laura's car lol
the little factoid i use to deny the rock thing is that she was escorted out by a half dozen cops, all of whom had bodycams, and yet no arrests were made.
For clarification, what specifically are we trying to capture? I was looking for ones of her getting flustered by the crowd but I havent found any. I have some of the various chants outside the room and some inside footage
AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
if we had thrown rocks someone would be in jail right now.
why do we have to refute the claim ? no one is getting consequences for the accusation and i think its good if laura feels threatened ... (genuine question)
Well because ideally it would demonstrate that she and her crew just made something up. Obviously we know she did, and people who like her wont care, but its a propaganda victory for us
18:32
It opens up the likelihood that she lied about other shit that evening (which we know she did)
18:33
I am a little hesitant to publish any footage just based on the response the twitter posts got. Unless theres a really good reason to (like if we got footage of her falling down or something). I do think the footage we have from inside with the chants could be worth it
Hayden (he/they)
Well because ideally it would demonstrate that she and her crew just made something up. Obviously we know she did, and people who like her wont care, but its a propaganda victory for us
Hey y'all, I know this is very short notice and most of y'all are a little far away, but Protect NC Kids is on some more bullshit this Wednesday at a clinic in Charlotte. I know this is during work hours and it's in 2 days but if you can show up, PLEASE show up and if you can't, please spread this around to people around the Charlotte area.
Kudzu
Hey y'all, I know this is very short notice and most of y'all are a little far away, but Protect NC Kids is on some more bullshit this Wednesday at a clinic in Charlotte. I know this is during work hours and it's in 2 days but if you can show up, PLEASE show up and if you can't, please spread this around to people around the Charlotte area.
Hey y'all, I know this is very short notice and most of y'all are a little far away, but Protect NC Kids is on some more bullshit this Wednesday at a clinic in Charlotte. I know this is during work hours and it's in 2 days but if you can show up, PLEASE show up and if you can't, please spread this around to people around the Charlotte area.
Hey y'all, I know this is very short notice and most of y'all are a little far away, but Protect NC Kids is on some more bullshit this Wednesday at a clinic in Charlotte. I know this is during work hours and it's in 2 days but if you can show up, PLEASE show up and if you can't, please spread this around to people around the Charlotte area.
on discord you have to reupload the image to do it (very frustrating) but if you just put the text of the image in a message and add it as a reply to the orginal image i'm also happy with that
seb it/they
@Organizer can someone make this into an announcement @social_media can we promote/repost this
None that I know of. I just heard about this a few minutes ago
Kudzu
Hey y'all, I know this is very short notice and most of y'all are a little far away, but Protect NC Kids is on some more bullshit this Wednesday at a clinic in Charlotte. I know this is during work hours and it's in 2 days but if you can show up, PLEASE show up and if you can't, please spread this around to people around the Charlotte area.
Hey y'all, I know this is very short notice and most of y'all are a little far away, but Protect NC Kids is on some more bullshit this Wednesday at a clinic in Charlotte. I know this is during work hours and it's in 2 days but if you can show up, PLEASE show up and if you can't, please spread this around to people around the Charlotte area.
Hey y'all, I know this is very short notice and most of y'all are a little far away, but Protect NC Kids is on some more bullshit this Wednesday at a clinic in Charlotte. I know this is during work hours and it's in 2 days but if you can show up, PLEASE show up and if you can't, please spread this around to people around the Charlotte area.
Quick reminder that a student was assaulted at the @UncensoredAm event last Tuesday and there’s been no accountability or statement of condemnation by OAT SC for the actions of their members.
In addition, no press attention by @thegamecock.
Is political violence not newsworthy?
I'm curious on some of y'all's thoughts.
As a disabled/chronically ill and probably autistic person I have very different energy capacity than a lot of other people. sometimes planning and doing protests just isn't possible for me. And in spaces like Clemson I know I'm not going to change many minds by following a lot of common protest strategies. For me though, I find it important to still do something to show the community that not everyone stands for certain ideas (of course a lot of times I'm not standing for anything bc chronic pain ) some different avenues I've thought of or done is things like alternative events, writing and submitting to the school paper, holding welcoming spaces for students during said event to provide somewhere for us to like be, sharing and promoting other student activist who are protesting.
But it just never feels like enough. I never feel satisfied with responses to issues. It feels like I'm always throwing myself into a protest or sitting here with these feelings and nothing I'm ever physically capable of feels like it makes any actual change.
I've only recently come out in the first place and finally am able to make choices and have time to dedicate to causes and I'm already feeling burnt out. A lot of y'all here are more experienced with these things how do you all determine how to approach things? And if you're comfortable sharing, how does things like disability and other identities play into how you approach things?
(And none of this is to discredit any type of approach this is just coming from my experience with my limiting factors. I'm not always the best with words so I hope I made that clear. )(edited)
Man I h8 capitalism and that I have to work and can't be at protests most of the time. But I might be getting a promotion soon so hoping I can at least donate money towards stuff
AsterTheDisaster
I'm curious on some of y'all's thoughts.
As a disabled/chronically ill and probably autistic person I have very different energy capacity than a lot of other people. sometimes planning and doing protests just isn't possible for me. And in spaces like Clemson I know I'm not going to change many minds by following a lot of common protest strategies. For me though, I find it important to still do something to show the community that not everyone stands for certain ideas (of course a lot of times I'm not standing for anything bc chronic pain ) some different avenues I've thought of or done is things like alternative events, writing and submitting to the school paper, holding welcoming spaces for students during said event to provide somewhere for us to like be, sharing and promoting other student activist who are protesting.
But it just never feels like enough. I never feel satisfied with responses to issues. It feels like I'm always throwing myself into a protest or sitting here with these feelings and nothing I'm ever physically capable of feels like it makes any actual change.
I've only recently come out in the first place and finally am able to make choices and have time to dedicate to causes and I'm already feeling burnt out. A lot of y'all here are more experienced with these things how do you all determine how to approach things? And if you're comfortable sharing, how does things like disability and other identities play into how you approach things?
(And none of this is to discredit any type of approach this is just coming from my experience with my limiting factors. I'm not always the best with words so I hope I made that clear. ) (edited)
I'm autistic and have some uh severe mental issues at times so I can relate a bit. Sometimes you just don't have the spoons to do things. I think whats important is that you set realistic limits for yourself, don't expect yourself to be able to go to every action/protest/class/etc. Don't put the burden of solving trans issues on yourself just for going to an event. Most times a protest isn't a place to convert people, its just a show of already existing support; and it's not on you to do one on one talks with liberals and 'moderates' at more intimate events.
I've noticed left activists also don't extend the same grace to themselves as they do other people; for instance the same way you'd be ok if I said 'I can't come, bad mental health day.' you might not accept that as a 'valid' reason for yourself not to do things force yourself to go and feel ten times worse. It's ok to need to rest. Better rest one day and do another thing when your ready then just burn out and play World of Warcraft all day for a week [totally not telling on my past self >.>]
Sorry if this is rambley [I know no other way to write tbh] but this is stuff I did constantly until last year maybe. I went to everything possible and did everything and just burnt myself out hard. Hope this was helpful or coherent in the slightest
i can also respond to this later ( i have a lot of thoughts) but i'm in medical crisis myself rn
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AsterTheDisaster
I'm curious on some of y'all's thoughts.
As a disabled/chronically ill and probably autistic person I have very different energy capacity than a lot of other people. sometimes planning and doing protests just isn't possible for me. And in spaces like Clemson I know I'm not going to change many minds by following a lot of common protest strategies. For me though, I find it important to still do something to show the community that not everyone stands for certain ideas (of course a lot of times I'm not standing for anything bc chronic pain ) some different avenues I've thought of or done is things like alternative events, writing and submitting to the school paper, holding welcoming spaces for students during said event to provide somewhere for us to like be, sharing and promoting other student activist who are protesting.
But it just never feels like enough. I never feel satisfied with responses to issues. It feels like I'm always throwing myself into a protest or sitting here with these feelings and nothing I'm ever physically capable of feels like it makes any actual change.
I've only recently come out in the first place and finally am able to make choices and have time to dedicate to causes and I'm already feeling burnt out. A lot of y'all here are more experienced with these things how do you all determine how to approach things? And if you're comfortable sharing, how does things like disability and other identities play into how you approach things?
(And none of this is to discredit any type of approach this is just coming from my experience with my limiting factors. I'm not always the best with words so I hope I made that clear. ) (edited)
You are more than enough! Everything you do has a ripple effect, and sometimes the big flashy shit does nothing but make for good photo ops. One of the best organizers I know is disabled and not always able to access rah rah in person protests.(edited)
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AsterTheDisaster
I'm curious on some of y'all's thoughts.
As a disabled/chronically ill and probably autistic person I have very different energy capacity than a lot of other people. sometimes planning and doing protests just isn't possible for me. And in spaces like Clemson I know I'm not going to change many minds by following a lot of common protest strategies. For me though, I find it important to still do something to show the community that not everyone stands for certain ideas (of course a lot of times I'm not standing for anything bc chronic pain ) some different avenues I've thought of or done is things like alternative events, writing and submitting to the school paper, holding welcoming spaces for students during said event to provide somewhere for us to like be, sharing and promoting other student activist who are protesting.
But it just never feels like enough. I never feel satisfied with responses to issues. It feels like I'm always throwing myself into a protest or sitting here with these feelings and nothing I'm ever physically capable of feels like it makes any actual change.
I've only recently come out in the first place and finally am able to make choices and have time to dedicate to causes and I'm already feeling burnt out. A lot of y'all here are more experienced with these things how do you all determine how to approach things? And if you're comfortable sharing, how does things like disability and other identities play into how you approach things?
(And none of this is to discredit any type of approach this is just coming from my experience with my limiting factors. I'm not always the best with words so I hope I made that clear. ) (edited)
As someone who has mobility issues, I can relate to a lot of this as well. I feel disheartened not being able to always make protests and events, but as someone who has been stranded, both in my own life and at protests, I've realized it's best I just actually set realistic goals and limits for myself (as Kiral said).
And, to piggyback off Kiral again, it's not up to us as individuals, which is where organizing comes in. On top of my specific needs and limitations, I also have certain things I'm able to offer that other ppl don't. I think it's been helpful for me to try and find a niche(s)...I still beat myself up a lot, but at the end of the day I just have to remind myself I'm doing what I'm able to do, as a disabled, poor working person.
I also look for things I can do. I can't March around for hours, but I can do some care work. I can take first aid classes, stop the bleed courses. I can send money, provide food/water stations.
I can read and give some insight on topics, or set up reading groups to learn with people and grow bonds within an org.
Idk...there's a lot of that I want to do more of, and things I need to do again (my first aid is expired). And there's also a lot I've probably heard about before and thought "hmm, I could try that." and just can't remember now lol.
Re-reading myself and gonna be a bit more pointed: I'm biased a bit bc I've been reading about care work a lot recently, and I've done care work...but I actually do think different types of care work are vital for us. As someone who has needed a lot of care work, both for physical and mental health reasons, I think that it's vital that we are the people doing this work within the movements.(edited)
As someone who is generally able-bodied and neurotypical, it is not easy to organize one’s life around things for which you have little to no support. While I am not aware of this being a specific policy with the intent of crushing independent organization, the side effect of capitalism at least is that we all have to manage things that we were supposed to do as a community. There is a meme that says “modern life consists of doing things that you were supposed to do with a community, and wondering why you’re so tired all the time.” That’s an extremely valid take. I’m constantly kicking myself for not being more involved, but my wife has mental health issues and foisting the children onto her or my rapidly aging support network degrades their ability to manage their own stuff and I feel trapped between responsibilities, to community and the world and to family. These may not be your struggles, but we are all piled with shit that keeps us from doing anything to make a better world before creating our own personal universe with us as the center, a god with more responsibility than power. It’s frustrating as all hell. These feelings are super valid.
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seb it/they
(i think carework is the most important thing to do rn)
aster, i would recommend you read "carework" and "the future is disabled" by Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha @AsterTheDisaster (also abled people should read these books too, they are important)(edited)
I greatly appreciate you all. I have never met a more devoted group of community activists
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But yeah, trying to manage one’s own life, as well as the responsibilities piled on us through social expectations is frustrating and difficult on the best days, I can’t imagine how hard it can be when mobility and mental health issues add to it
To piggyback on what Kiral said, we give other people a world of understanding, and expect us ourselves to be perfect and indefatigable and constantly vigilant. The saying “love thy neighbor as thyself” is an invitation to give ourselves the same break we give other people. What does loving others as ourselves mean if we do not love ourselves? And if there’s anyway, any of us can help, don’t be shy. I admit I should practice what I preach, lol
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pickles- they/them (mel)
You are more than enough! Everything you do has a ripple effect, and sometimes the big flashy shit does nothing but make for good photo ops. One of the best organizers I know is disabled and not always able to access rah rah in person protests. (edited)
the ripple effect is VERY real even if it's just one person
10:26
it really only takes one person to draft an op-ed for the local paper, or to draft a press release if we're doing an event
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and that stuff can reach dozens, even hundreds of people
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Sid
Man I h8 capitalism and that I have to work and can't be at protests most of the time. But I might be getting a promotion soon so hoping I can at least donate money towards stuff
We all hate it too, but take care of yourself first ❤️ maybe just share whatever flyers, info, resources or support you can until you have time, energy, or funds to spare, y'know? It's easy to feel guilty or like what you're doing is enough but tbh all of us are spending energy, time, and emotional effort being here and caring so much about these issues and people ❤️ @ myself and everyone in here as well. i don't think we're ever not doing enough, we all seem so exhausted or on the brink already.
I'll say it again here, we can't pour from an empty cup ❤️ also the prior responses are so good too. very well-put and helped me out even more(edited)
Update on the clinic action tomorrow: The clinic does not want us there at all. They want as little attention paid to this as possible. It sucks that we did all this work for them to tell us we're not wanted, but it is ultimately their decision.
IMO this is a terrible choice and it's just going to embolden the shitheads that show up to yell at trans kids to do worse things in the apparent absence of opposition. if y'all can spread this info to y'all's contacts, that'd be great.
Thanks for the signal boost @pickles- they/them (mel) ! And they're right I can't always get ride to events but you can always provide virtual advertising for said events, send in testimony, call or write your legislators, etc. I have the personal number of my house rep. You can also host virtual care spaces after protests. Y
AsterTheDisaster
I'm curious on some of y'all's thoughts.
As a disabled/chronically ill and probably autistic person I have very different energy capacity than a lot of other people. sometimes planning and doing protests just isn't possible for me. And in spaces like Clemson I know I'm not going to change many minds by following a lot of common protest strategies. For me though, I find it important to still do something to show the community that not everyone stands for certain ideas (of course a lot of times I'm not standing for anything bc chronic pain ) some different avenues I've thought of or done is things like alternative events, writing and submitting to the school paper, holding welcoming spaces for students during said event to provide somewhere for us to like be, sharing and promoting other student activist who are protesting.
But it just never feels like enough. I never feel satisfied with responses to issues. It feels like I'm always throwing myself into a protest or sitting here with these feelings and nothing I'm ever physically capable of feels like it makes any actual change.
I've only recently come out in the first place and finally am able to make choices and have time to dedicate to causes and I'm already feeling burnt out. A lot of y'all here are more experienced with these things how do you all determine how to approach things? And if you're comfortable sharing, how does things like disability and other identities play into how you approach things?
(And none of this is to discredit any type of approach this is just coming from my experience with my limiting factors. I'm not always the best with words so I hope I made that clear. ) (edited)
I have started a disability justice organizing group @Access Abolition SC to address some of the barriers to in-person protests and alternatives to them. If you would like to be a part of AASC please let me know. I'd love to have you either as another organizer or volunteer. We will attempt to do both in-person and virtual events
A-A-Ron (they/them)
How much detail should we give? Should we just say canceled? The clinic has asked us not to show up? Keep it short and simple I'm assuming
On Insta* Its not on Twitter (not sure if that's bc we never posted it or someone else already deleted)
A-A-Ron (they/them)
As someone who has mobility issues, I can relate to a lot of this as well. I feel disheartened not being able to always make protests and events, but as someone who has been stranded, both in my own life and at protests, I've realized it's best I just actually set realistic goals and limits for myself (as Kiral said).
And, to piggyback off Kiral again, it's not up to us as individuals, which is where organizing comes in. On top of my specific needs and limitations, I also have certain things I'm able to offer that other ppl don't. I think it's been helpful for me to try and find a niche(s)...I still beat myself up a lot, but at the end of the day I just have to remind myself I'm doing what I'm able to do, as a disabled, poor working person.
I also look for things I can do. I can't March around for hours, but I can do some care work. I can take first aid classes, stop the bleed courses. I can send money, provide food/water stations.
I can read and give some insight on topics, or set up reading groups to learn with people and grow bonds within an org.
Idk...there's a lot of that I want to do more of, and things I need to do again (my first aid is expired). And there's also a lot I've probably heard about before and thought "hmm, I could try that." and just can't remember now lol.
Just a heads up, I filed a title ix report against harut specifically for last week's event. I deliberately didn't put my name or contact except my real number to see what would happen. Their office just left a message referring to me by my first name
@everyone the senate is filibustering the terrible abortion ban today stating at 1p. If you can come and show support and solidarity in the lobby that would be great! Shit is heating up and there have been threats of violence from the antis
@everyone the senate is filibustering the terrible abortion ban today stating at 1p. If you can come and show support and solidarity in the lobby that would be great! Shit is heating up and there have been threats of violence from the antis
any specific antis you're worried about? can dm if necessary
pickles- they/them (mel)
@everyone the senate is filibustering the terrible abortion ban today stating at 1p. If you can come and show support and solidarity in the lobby that would be great! Shit is heating up and there have been threats of violence from the antis
South Carolina State House Protest and March
Don’t Drag Us Down
Friday, may 5th
4pm-6pm
A march and peaceful protest in support of drag entertainers, supporters, advocates, and individuals for Justice and LGBTQIA+ equality in The State of South Carolina
We've got the following on socials now, we can do queer joy and the podcast over the summer to keep us relevant. Then I'm sure some rw group will give us stuff to do once classes start again. Imo
If UA does something during the fall then maybe we could get something going in terms of protest
A-A-Ron (they/them)
We've got the following on socials now, we can do queer joy and the podcast over the summer to keep us relevant. Then I'm sure some rw group will give us stuff to do once classes start again. Imo
usc still has somewhat of a large professors assaulting students problem afaik but i'm tired as fuck and somewhat incoherent so take everythin i say with many large grains of salt
been thinking about this. i believe a far more effective in person move would be as follows:
-first, we need to find specific offices and people within those offices who have responability here. get the office locations, contact info, etc
-start sending people, maybe in groups of 2-3, every couple of days for as long as we can. this allows us to extend the attention on this problem for far longer than aa rally. it also has a side benefit of making us look less like a large group going after 1 person, no matter how justified we are. we can optionally post a call to action on socials with the data from step 1 (office location, phone, etc) as a call to action, which oat members then follow(edited)
unfortunately the audio feed for their video came from the speaker mike
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most of the crowd cannot be heard except for specific incedents where sean turned it all the way up because he thought it was a "sick burn" or whatever
I don't think any of this came through in the video but this one guy (I don't know his name but I remember he used his personal twitter to comment on one of Loomer's tweets which has his name on it) leaned over at one point to yell tw transphobia "I can't tell you people not to cut off your penis without you killing yourselves" I may have gotten the syntax wrong but that was some shit that was said
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Also yeah Harut was basically constantly fucking with us calling me fat and crazy and telling me to hit the gym or whatever
I don't know if this is anything useful either but Loomer and Bconners were definitely conspiring like right before the Dean and the cops came over to harrass us she like whispered in his ear for a period of time and then he started filming us
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No it wasn't Dylan
15:49
oh my god I went to go scroll back thru loomers twitter to find this guy and she literally tweets like 100+ times a day
I didnt take any videos. But p much what Roxy said, a lot of yelling at us/her to go to the gym, demanding us to do push ups in front of him, (tw transphohia) making jokes about how many trans people commit suicide, commenting on how we should commit suicide
We were definitely called homophobic slurs in the hallway while waiting by harut and some other conservative men in suits, and also maybe while in the room as well
It is also worth mentioning that you can still submit a report without evidence. It may not turn into serious consequences but I imagine it would scare them
robin (they/it)
i have screen recording of harut's snapchat from that night
I'm sorry I didnt go to that. That shit is absolutely unacceptable and I'd add my full weight as staff ro report them with if I had been their and heard it. Absolutely disgusting and beneath the behavior of students on every level.
idk if anyone is already aware of this but you can find tons of info and support on how to file a title ix complaint or how to file an office of civil rights complaint through knowyourix.org
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i also used to work with know your ix so i have some connections there if ppl wanted to discuss how to go about filing and what might be most strategic, they're student-led and super supportive (many trans members!)
Idk if this has been posted here but I found this on Lex. It seems like this would be something that would be important to this group here since public transit is an important issue
Alt text: post from Laura @lalabeths in Greenville, sc from 2 days ago on Lex
Title: transit advocacy days
Hey Hotties! May 2 & 16 @ 6pm, Gville council finalizes their 2 yr budget. Rn public transit is not getting any $ and we need more! Sign up to show up @ the meeting so we can build better cities! Email erin.predmore@greenvilleconnects.org to learn more. Invite friends! : )(edited)
09:31
I'm not sure how many ppl in this group are in Greenville but I figured I'd spread this around
if someone would like to give me an email for me to link with their email so i can do like. an introduction that would be helpful for planning a meeting!
harper
if someone would like to give me an email for me to link with their email so i can do like. an introduction that would be helpful for planning a meeting!
handed out more fliers and stickers than i expected to at the state house, @Hayden (he/they) if you’re the rightful keeper of these boxes of em just lmk when works for you to give em back :3
Hey @everyone ! (Especially @Midlands SC ) Tuesday we’ll be joining several other pro-abortion and pro-queer groups at the SC statehouse while two awful bills (an abortion ban and an education censorship bill) are debated. Numbers are needed all day (8pm-5pm) and volunteers are especially needed to help run the care tent. There are two shifts you can sign up for in the calendar to run the care tent. If you can’t come in that capacity, bodies are also needed to fill seats in committee meetings and in the gallery.
The South Carolina House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday approved changes to the Senate-backed six-week abortion ban bill, likely setting up another fight with the upper chamber. https://t.co/LzeJ1hMGiv
You helped care for those of us who did come. We offered banned books, we had an abortion doula teach in, we had an anti-bias training, and we cared for our people. Fuck ‘em
dm a mod your email to get added to the drive. you can add yourself under a category of a skill you already have and there is another column to the right of ones you want to learn
so for the cookies, really the only ingredients they have at costco are sugar, and applesauce- should i still go or should we just go to a regular grocery store?
I'll see if it's possible day-of, but I should be able to get facilities to unhook the chains and let cars in to drop stuff off on the north lawn area. Backup would probably be the court of appeals driveway
09:22
And again, they'll probably just have to find parking nearby
09:23
Can't rn, but I'll read our contract to see rules on vehicles parking during our time
Hey! Hope y’all are as well as can be. I wanted to come support the Mother’s Day event, but my mom is pretty sick and I need to care for her this weekend. It’s gonna be a great event! Please tap me in if I can support remotely!
original cookies failed to properly be cookies- i got replacement cookies that were $23 total - if you wanna help pay for them it would be appreciated- dm for my venmo
I'm leaving my house now (sorry had a problem with my bank of course). Ill be there around 11. Is there a place at the Statehouse where I can just park real quick to drop off the tent, or nah?
Bernie
And you’re still intending on coming at around 10?
I'm leaving my house now (sorry had a problem with my bank of course). Ill be there around 11. Is there a place at the Statehouse where I can just park real quick to drop off the tent, or nah?
i will be available to drop off all day, then you can park wheever
A-A-Ron (they/them)
I'm leaving my house now (sorry had a problem with my bank of course). Ill be there around 11. Is there a place at the Statehouse where I can just park real quick to drop off the tent, or nah?
That’s what I’m trying to talk with them about, they don’t allow vehicle access to the north grounds but there’s a lot of parking directly adjacent to the state house due to it being a weekend,
I'm leaving my house now (sorry had a problem with my bank of course). Ill be there around 11. Is there a place at the Statehouse where I can just park real quick to drop off the tent, or nah?
Also electricity is not here, I called last week to set it up with the facility management people and they said they’d have access set up, but I see nothing and their line goes to voicemail
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I don’t think we need it with the battery amplification, I hope?