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13:09
This is the roll-call vote in the senate for the women's sports act. Seems to be a good litmus test for where those senators will vote
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 1:10 PM
can we make a spread sheet with all the current members on the senate so we can add in info about them as we get it
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seb it/they 12/10/2022 1:11 PM
once we get teh drive set up we'll have a folder specific to this
13:11
i can go ahead and make a spread sheet in there
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 1:11 PM
thank you
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 1:19 PM
is the gambrell building at usc named after senator gambrell?
13:20
apparently it is someone else
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It’s from the 70s, so I assume not
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 1:22 PM
look some times people are old
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Hayden (he/they) 12/10/2022 1:22 PM
Senators who voted "Yea" for above bill currently in MedAffairs committee: Cash, Garrett, Verdin, Alexander, Davis, Loftis, Peeler, Corbin, Gambrell, Martin, Senn Senators who voted "Nay" for above bill currently in MedAffairs committee: Hutto, Matthews, McLeod, Kimpson Absent: Scott, Johnson
13:23
So essentially if everyone in the med affairs committee voted for this like they did the women in sports bill and they voted today, it would pass
13:24
The question is to figure out if the less radical yea voters could be swayed. I know johnson usually votes with the nay block, but I dont know about scott
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 1:25 PM
scott is dem and most of the other dems were nay so...
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Hayden (he/they) 12/10/2022 1:25 PM
If both absent voted with dems with would be 11-6
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There’s a page on the legislature’s website to contact your legislator. Couldn’t hurt to just ask each committee member how aware they are of the bill and how they intend on voting? (edited)
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Hayden (he/they) 12/10/2022 1:32 PM
So far, 274 and 243 have been referred to the medical affairs committee. 276 is going to judiciary. The med affairs committee has no meetings posted yet, but with most controversial legislation they will probably have a meeting for public input followed by one where the subcommittee votes. From there, it goes to the full committee
13:35
Would it be possible for me to start a google sheet that I can then transfer ownership once the drive is set up?
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 1:36 PM
i think thats a good idea and we can copy it over once we have the drive
13:36
link it here so i can help B)
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Hayden (he/they) 12/10/2022 1:37 PM
Alright I'll get started on it
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seb it/they 12/10/2022 1:39 PM
Yeah sorry Athena needed to eat
13:39
So we're taking a second lol
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 1:40 PM
no prob
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Hayden (he/they) 12/10/2022 1:40 PM
Its all good, yall have done a lot today
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 12/10/2022 1:42 PM
I have not yet defeated the need for sustenance
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Hayden (he/they) 12/10/2022 1:43 PM
The goal with this is to compare the votes of members of senate between several similar bills dealing with gender and queer rights. If we can find a pattern of who is more lenient, we know who to pressure for support
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ACLU, WREN, and/or SC United will also have that voting record analysis or some form of it. It would save time to check with them first. Note that many of these same legislators are the ones pushing hard to ban abortion.
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something else to keep track of -- has anyone in our legislature floated the idea of banning birth control in any way?
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 1:59 PM
the drive has gotten made so we can move this in there
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 12/10/2022 1:59 PM
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18lqLz3lnT3ulXkDKSV8WD9chRIKZ_rFX?usp=sharing legislature folder, if you want editing access dm me or another organizer with your email. (edited)
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Hayden (he/they) 12/10/2022 2:06 PM
Full Senate Senator Name,Vote on H 4608 (Save Women's Sports Act) Brian Adams (R) Thomas Alexander (R) Karl Allen (D) Sean Bennett (R),absent George Campsen (R) Richard Cash (R) Wes Climer (R) Thomas Corbin (R) Ronnie Cromer (R) Tom Davis (R) Mike Fanning (D) Michael Gambrell (R) Billy Garrett (...
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Link to copied list on the drive
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Edit on this one
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 12/10/2022 2:07 PM
can we delete the old link
14:08
can we just put yes/no instead of red/green
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that combo is not friendly for colorblind people
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 2:08 PM
ok
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Hayden (he/they) 12/10/2022 2:12 PM
Sure, we went with red/green so its easier to tell visually, would a different color combo work?
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robin (they/it) 12/10/2022 2:13 PM
i did good/bad because yes no would get confusing because voting for a bill isnt the same opinion all the time
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seb it/they 12/15/2022 6:34 PM
it really frustrates me that these bills are written in a way that they still target intersex kids
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Hayden (he/they) 12/16/2022 10:15 AM
H.3551 has been referred to judiciary
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That’s a lot of house members
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Hayden (he/they) 12/16/2022 10:17 AM
Well there are a lot of house members
10:17
As a percentage it's not too many, just visually impressive
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Wait so it's just civil not criminal?
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Hayden (he/they) 12/16/2022 10:22 AM
My interpretation is that it is allowing third parties like parents to sue caregivers and medical professionals. Like they could sue on the basis of this law
10:23
It depends on what "prohibit the performance of medical procedure" means. Also "professional disciplinary action," sounds like that would be used by fundie hospitals to discourage that kind of healthcare
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Yeah the title just says civil action though. Makes it a lot easier to get out of consequences if it doesn't come with jail time
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Hayden (he/they) 12/16/2022 10:25 AM
True
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seb it/they 12/16/2022 2:13 PM
"SECTION 4.If any section, subsection, paragraph, subparagraph, sentence, clause, phrase, or word of this act is for any reason held to be unconstitutional or invalid, such holding shall not affect the constitutionality or validity of the remaining portions of this act, the General Assembly hereby declaring that it would have passed this act, and each and every section, subsection, paragraph, subparagraph, sentence, clause, phrase, and word thereof, irrespective of the fact that any one or more other sections, subsections, paragraphs, subparagraphs, sentences, clauses, phrases, or words hereof may be declared to be unconstitutional, invalid, or otherwise ineffective."
14:13
this shit is slimy as fuck
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Hayden (he/they) 12/16/2022 2:15 PM
My lawyer contact essential said he has to pull Title 44 and it's current definitions under chapter 140
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I'm looking into it
14:18
Pretty much section 44 is all about health regulations, creation of dhec etc
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Hayden (he/they)
The question is to figure out if the less radical yea voters could be swayed. I know johnson usually votes with the nay block, but I dont know about scott
Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 9:06 AM
Senn is movable. She broke HARD from Republicans on abortion. It's not a huge leap to frame this as a bodily autonomy issue for her.
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There is the full text of H.3564 (boycott bill)
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Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 10:56 AM
Narrative on that might be to paint the sponsors as "anti-capitalism/free market"
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Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 10:57 AM
A few things I noticed going into the text: -this specifically applies to companies with ten or more full time employees with a state contract that pays more than $50k entirely or partially from state funds -the criteria for "economic boycott" focused on abortion access, gender affirming healthcare and emissions reduction
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Wait, I'm reading this bill and would this apply to people organizing a boycott as a form of protest?
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Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 11:01 AM
This bit is really interesting
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WhyteTears
Wait, I'm reading this bill and would this apply to people organizing a boycott as a form of protest?
Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 11:01 AM
Not that I can tell, this is aimed at businesses with state contracts (dell, Microsoft) that engage in 'woke' advertising
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Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 11:01 AM
Aka rainbow capitalism
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Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 11:02 AM
I'm no lawyer, but I feel like the contradictory nature of section 3 there makes this bill sinkable
11:02
Because all businesses engage in the ideology and interest of making money lol
11:03
And not boycotting also implies a compelled ideology interest
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Yeah but wouldn't that rely on the supreme court striking it as unconstitutional? The same supreme court that is corrupt and right wing af? (edited)
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Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 11:03 AM
They don't care at this point. They are just writing legislation to continue getting votes, and don't care that we end up footing the court fees when they get challenged. Inciting rage is easier than fixing problems
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Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 11:03 AM
Yeah I'd file this bill under "ideological crap that is dead on arrival"
11:04
If they actually enforced it, the state government would come to a standstill based on it's reliance on contracts
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infinicommune 12/20/2022 11:04 AM
I don't think they have an desire to fix anything if they could, the entire point is maximal extraction and domination
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Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:04 AM
Actually I would love for this to pass and turn in every business with a Jesus fish or John 3:16 or other bible verse
11:05
Turn in literally every business for promoting capitalism
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Me searching for the sickest bible verse
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Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:05 AM
I think we found our fundraiser...
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There's got to be a good one
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infinicommune
I don't think they have an desire to fix anything if they could, the entire point is maximal extraction and domination
I don't even think they could fix things, even if they wanted to (which they don't). Everything is just decaying too rapidly. Like the government can't even protect the electrical grid from attacks by chuds
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Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:05 AM
"Very well, you may cook your food with camel dung instead of human excrement" somewhere in Ezekiel
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 12/20/2022 11:05 AM
"though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil" is decent
11:05
but overused
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Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:06 AM
No one can serve two masters, for they will love one and hate the other...you cannot serve god and money
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WhyteTears
I don't even think they could fix things, even if they wanted to (which they don't). Everything is just decaying too rapidly. Like the government can't even protect the electrical grid from attacks by chuds
infinicommune 12/20/2022 11:06 AM
barbarism machine makes barbarism, many such cases
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Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 11:06 AM
Any of these companies could argue that going along with SC's medieval laws is harming their business on a PR front, and therefore a boycott could fall under "normal business practices"
11:07
This part is also interesting
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I'll be real: A surgeon who refuses to do bottom surgery on me would probably not do a good job if they decided to do it after a boycott
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Matt Cox he/him
Turn in literally every business for promoting capitalism
Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 11:08 AM
Be careful. You're assuming SCOSC won't fuck us with some wallowy interpretation of "core tenets of western society" or something
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Hayden (he/they)
This part is also interesting
Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:08 AM
muh freeze peach
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Lynnie (she/her)
Be careful. You're assuming SCOSC won't fuck us with some wallowy interpretation of "core tenets of western society" or something
Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:08 AM
SCOSC?
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Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 11:08 AM
Supreme Court of South Carolina
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Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 11:10 AM
"manufacture or sale of firearms" I guess any businesses not on board with PSA's gold trump-hair punisher skull desert eagle is getting the boot
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Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:10 AM
Oh they'll fuck us any way they can, ironically given their stance on public kink
11:11
My wife's a lawyer in the biggest progressive firm in SC, fuckin come at me ghouls
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infinicommune 12/20/2022 11:12 AM
Come at you for what?
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Think they’re just saying that as an expression luv
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Matt Cox he/him
My wife's a lawyer in the biggest progressive firm in SC, fuckin come at me ghouls
Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 11:15 AM
Do you mind sharing the firm?
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Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:15 AM
Burnette Shutt and McDaniel
11:15
For a left-liberal firm, pretty based
11:16
Malissa Burnette was fighting Klan in her youth, and they made the first strides for gay marriage in SC
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Also, hypothetically speaking, doesn't this bill violate company's first amendment rights since companies were considered people who could use money as a form of speech?
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First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, 435 U.S. 765 (1978), is a U.S. constitutional law case which defined the free speech right of corporations for the first time. The United States Supreme Court held that corporations have a First Amendment right to make contributions to ballot initiative campaigns. The ruling came in response to a Massa...
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Matt Cox he/him 12/20/2022 11:29 AM
Oh my god it's full circle. I used to lobby for Wolf-PAC to get money out of politics and Bellotti was one of our foundational cases we were fighting against, now we're using it to defend against some horrible shit wtf
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Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 11:30 AM
Yup lol
11:31
We could potentially smear Gilliam as anti-business in his own district. What area does he represent?
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WhyteTears
Also, hypothetically speaking, doesn't this bill violate company's first amendment rights since companies were considered people who could use money as a form of speech?
Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 11:35 AM
Yes 100% lol
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Hayden (he/they)
Yeah I'd file this bill under "ideological crap that is dead on arrival"
This sort of legislation is termed messaging or signalling legislation and is primarily an ideological tool used by politicians to signal specific values to their constituents without the expectation of it passing, particularly for the purpose of staving off primary challengers. In a lot of states I’d call these trans bills signalling legislation too, not going anywhere, but this is SC so it’s a lot scarier and very possible
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Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 12:44 PM
For sure, especially after roe it's like open season
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Lynnie (she/her) 12/20/2022 12:45 PM
What? You mean our representatives don't create legislation based on good governance?
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It’s more they don’t care enough to go through the process of passing it, the bills are submitted to look like they’re doing something
12:46
A sort of lazy hate
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Hayden (he/they) 12/20/2022 12:46 PM
They get a lot of return for very little cost
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Like there is no consequence for spamming bs bills
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Yeah, especially since the supreme court is just doing whatever the fuck it wants
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Gotta hurry up and marry my Maori gf before interracial marriage becomes illegal, I love it
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Hayden (he/they) 01/08/2023 9:10 AM
So the legislative session starts on the 10th, did we want to draft a statement (edited)
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we should look into what committees are meeting
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 9:58 AM
yeah
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is the statehouse website \still the best source of info? if so what page, i want to pin it
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
is the statehouse website \still the best source of info? if so what page, i want to pin it
They have separate pages for the house and senate, I usually go here https://www.scstatehouse.gov/meetings.php?chamber=S https://www.scstatehouse.gov/meetings.php?chamber=H
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) pinned a message to this channel. 01/08/2023 10:00 AM
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:05 AM
i see medical affairs
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those people are the no 1 priority
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yeah i screenshotted the important ones
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Justice committee also has a bill coming through right?
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lemme read the agenda
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:05 AM
it says they are reviewing s164, can we still take advantage of that session somehow or do we need to wait for the trans bills to be reviewed?
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This is the health agenda Not relevant, I don’t think
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:06 AM
maybe we can talk to them before or after the session and do some convincing
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:07 AM
waiting till they're reviewing the bills in question probably wont do, we need them thinking about this for a few weeks
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yeah cant hurt
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Hayden (he/they) 01/08/2023 10:09 AM
I'm thinking maybe a first general statement followed by statements that are made as the bills come up?
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:09 AM
yeah
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General statement on start of legislative session is a good idea
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:09 AM
i think we should have people at the session if we're allowed to
10:09
talk and deliver a statement in person
10:09
ive gone ahead and made an event on the 12th
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
i think we should have people at the session if we're allowed to
Ik wren likes to arrange people to testify
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:10 AM
i doubt the will take testimony for unrelated bills
10:10
my thoughts are we might be able to talk to them in the halls before and after
10:12
im going to consolidate this so far into a legislature to do list: 1. we need a general statement from OAT for the start of the session, a couple sentences on each bill and arguments against them 2. a statement specific to each bill as they come up, all of these statements should probably be delivered to the relevant comittees and members 3. we need people to show up to the medical affairs session on the 12th
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I’ve talked with lobbyists and reps before in and for my classes, and one thing legislators hate almost universally is being talked at or told they’re wrong. If you are talking in person, make it a conversation or they’ll shut it down and it’ll go nowhere.
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:13 AM
bleh
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fucking hate politicking
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Yeah, it sucks ;-;
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But technically we need them since we don’t get a vote on these things
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 10:14 AM
i am not mentally prepared to walk in there and debate my very existence for the sake of their precious feelings l0l
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Matt Cox he/him 01/08/2023 10:15 AM
Maybe for a longer statement, and maybe this is too much (privilege talking), but I think an overarching statement about the sanctity of doctor-patient privilege and the slippery slope that denying those rights to one case leads to would be good. I'm also on a "make your accusation" kick, these bills essentially make a criminal accusation against "them" and hide behind the lack of courage to name who is doing this "crime" only leads to witch hunt paranoia I realize that came off more aggressive than I meant, apologies (edited)
10:18
Also, if it would help I volunteer to speak, but as someone who is not the target of these bills I am happy to just stand behind you folx and support (edited)
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Hayden (he/they) 01/08/2023 10:23 AM
As usual I am happy to help with copy. But yeah we do need to craft a statement to be useful, not just a statement for statement's sake. Framing the bills as violating personal freedom, doctor-patient privilege, or even just mentioning legislative priority would help it resonate
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I can start to work in it when done shopping
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went ahead and made this
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will add stuff eventually
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Hayden (he/they) 01/08/2023 9:29 PM
I can add on to this too
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Hayden (he/they) 01/08/2023 9:38 PM
I was drafting text and accidentally typed "Organize Transphobia" 💀
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Hayden (he/they)
I was drafting text and accidentally typed "Organize Transphobia" 💀
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/08/2023 9:39 PM
im sorry hayden but you're going to be canceled now
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It’s the circle of life
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Hayden (he/they) 01/08/2023 9:40 PM
I wonder if this statement would be a good intro statement to explain why this whole deal got started since it did get going over these bills
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seb it/they 01/08/2023 9:41 PM
i think we should save that for our legislative session one
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or wait
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i'm too tired
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yes
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Hayden (he/they) 01/08/2023 10:05 PM
This one also shaped up nicely
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 5:40 PM
what exactly are people trying to do at the legilative session on thursday?
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i want to make an announcement or something more substaintial to advertise the event, but i'm not sure what will be happening
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Hayden (he/they) 01/09/2023 5:40 PM
Is there a public input at that meeting?
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I'm not seeing it in the agenda unless I missed it
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 5:43 PM
me neither
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The public has the right to watch but unless there's a public comment period on the agenda, they probably won't be taking input at the meeting itself
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 5:45 PM
do we just want to have people go with signs or something?
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idk i'm not sure why an event was created
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Will they allow signs in the building or the room?
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Hayden (he/they) 01/09/2023 5:45 PM
So unless you approach people before or after you probably won't be able to talk
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They have allowed signs in the past
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 5:46 PM
genuine question: do we think thats a good way to spend our time
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i won't be able to attend either way (i have a very difficult class at that time)
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Hayden (he/they) 01/09/2023 5:47 PM
I'll be in Greenville
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seb it/they
genuine question: do we think thats a good way to spend our time
if I'm remembering correctly, it's not a meeting related to the bills we're worried about and going up to legislators after an unrelated committee meeting in person probably isn't the best tactic to first meet them and make an impression, if the goal is to get the movable ones to our side of things.
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 5:50 PM
okay i'm going to delete the event then
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@AthenaTheCommie (she/they) i think you created it, are you okay with that?
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don't want to step over you there
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if someone had an idea and that's why the event was created, go for it, this is just my opinion
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 5:52 PM
yeah i'm just trying to figure out what ideas were had/what the context was for that event being created
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seb it/they
@AthenaTheCommie (she/they) i think you created it, are you okay with that?
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/09/2023 5:53 PM
yeah im sorry i just wanted it on the radar its fine
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 5:56 PM
i think maybe we should haev a meeting to figure out legilative tactics tbh
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i have no idea how any of this works (it's really not my cup of tea) and so i want to make sure whatever we're doing is effective
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Hayden (he/they) 01/09/2023 6:00 PM
When it comes to tactics, the more creative the better. These people are not unfamiliar with people holding signs during meetings so we need to shake it up
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(legally)
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:00 PM
time to throw massive 3d printed estrogen pills at them (this is a joke) (edited)
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/09/2023 6:01 PM
dejectedly sets down printer
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It couldn’t hurt to try to meet with senators and reps who are on our side of things for this issue, talk about why this is important, and even ask their advice on how to go forward legislatively. Especially if you’re a constituent, they eat that up
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seb it/they
time to throw massive 3d printed estrogen pills at them (this is a joke) (edited)
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/09/2023 6:06 PM
my 3d modeling skills will forever be underappreciated by the left : (
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seb it/they
i think maybe we should haev a meeting to figure out legilative tactics tbh
Matt Cox he/him 01/09/2023 6:07 PM
I can bring some experience to the table. One thing I can say for sure is nothing "works." While local legislators aren't as deeply well heeled as federal, they still have their interests to serve. There will be few legislators who can be turned, the biggest victories will be folks who are uneducated, but unlike my earlier legislative work, I can't say that many people will not have their minds made up
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Hayden (he/they) 01/09/2023 6:07 PM
One trick I remember from jouralism days is to figure out where they eat lunch and go talk to them. Usually they go to that which Wich on Pendleton
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Outside the context of the statehouse might be more disarming, and they are at least a captive audience while they wait for subs to be made
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I'm just as cynical as the next person when it comes to affecting these partisan legislators, but I bet they never even met a trans person or ally
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Matt Cox he/him 01/09/2023 6:09 PM
You can ask legislators to come off the floor if you wait out in the lobby for them. They supply note paper for it. It's hard to pin them down in their offices
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:10 PM
i think it's probably better to like idk get people assigned to specifically do things too
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Matt Cox he/him 01/09/2023 6:10 PM
If we take a whole day, we can hit offices before session, call people off the floor during, and do offices after. Keep in mind there's almost 200 people to talk to so we will definitely want to make a priorities list
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:11 PM
bc rn this is all very vauge "you" and i'm not really sure who that would actually be/what the real logistics are
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and at least to me i'm very overwhelmed by this part
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do we maybe want to draft a "prorities list"
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i'm assuming that would just be scraped from whos on commitees?
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Matt Cox he/him 01/09/2023 6:12 PM
Sorry to info dump it, but yeah these are just general principles.
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I'll shut up and save it for meeting lol
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:12 PM
no problem, some level of dumping is definately needed!
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i'm just in a very foggy place rn lol i'm so sleep deprived
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what time makes sense for meeting?
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Matt Cox he/him 01/09/2023 6:14 PM
Are you students more available in the evening?
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/09/2023 6:14 PM
generally yes
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:14 PM
yes definately
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Matt Cox he/him 01/09/2023 6:14 PM
y'all hwhippersnappers
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I can do an evening
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:15 PM
i can't do mondays, i have 4 classes and 1 lab
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every other day is good though
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we could do like thursday?
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at uhh 7:30 maybe?
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does that sound functional to people
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Matt Cox he/him 01/09/2023 6:16 PM
Works for me.
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/09/2023 6:16 PM
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Matt Cox he/him 01/09/2023 6:17 PM
I may have to do it while shouting "brush your teeth" but I'll be there
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Maybe set up a poll?
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:18 PM
@legislature research How does a meeting online to coordinate our legislative response on Thursday at 7:30 sound? 👍 if it works, 👎 if it doesn't and reply with a time that does work for you (edited)
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there
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lol bernie you also have the power to do the same sort of thing
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everyone can set up a meeting at any time if they want to, it's not just like a special mod privilege or anything like that
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I am good at a great many things, but being competent is not one of them
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Hayden (he/they) 01/09/2023 6:20 PM
I can't really do in person during the week due to my job, but I can do work on the research side and tell folks what is happening when
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:21 PM
oh yeah meeting would be online
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too many covids
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Hayden (he/they) 01/09/2023 6:21 PM
And help others to know where that info would be
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seb it/they 01/09/2023 6:26 PM
Access Google Docs with a personal Google account or Google Workspace account (for business use).
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made a meeting agenda if people want to add stuff :)
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seb it/they 01/11/2023 8:49 AM
No (edited)
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@Logan (he/him) can you make an insta post for this
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/11/2023 9:29 AM
we need a discord event too
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event created
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seb it/they
@Logan (he/him) can you make an insta post for this
Logan (he/him) 01/11/2023 11:53 AM
on it
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to clarify i mean the legislative session press release, just realized that "this" was ambiguous
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yep
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Logan (he/him) 01/11/2023 12:00 PM
Posted
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thanks :)
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threw this form together to collect names for in-person lobbying at the statehouse. im sure its missing a lot of but https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeYzaf0tcwHINycNjtU5noqWuH2xRXsi79pgvfMq8oJpWWnvA/viewform
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Hayden (he/they) 01/12/2023 9:15 PM
One of the worst anti-trans bills yet. A bill in North Dakota would mandate employers use pronouns "associated with Deoxyribonucleic acid." It fines violations at $1,500. Free speech is not the goal. Trans elimination is. Subscribe to support my work. https://t.co/5J1sFRH6FA
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:16 PM
saw this
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brb gotta go read messages in the basic acids with my psychic powers
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seb it/they 01/12/2023 9:17 PM
Do we want to make another solidarity post?
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:17 PM
there have been about 50 anti trans bills in 2023 alone
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seb it/they 01/12/2023 9:17 PM
;-;
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:17 PM
im not against it, but we cant do all of them
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Hayden (he/they) 01/12/2023 9:17 PM
I would like to, at the same time I'm worried about oversaturatation
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
brb gotta go read messages in the basic acids with my psychic powers
whenever I use pronouns, the first thing I think about are désoxyribonucléique acids. Get good (edited)
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seb it/they 01/12/2023 9:17 PM
I mean it's a good idea to at least post something on the insta
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Maybe a blanket statement?
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seb it/they 01/12/2023 9:18 PM
Bc more posts is better i think?? Idk how socials work
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:18 PM
the new gender binary is are your pronouns from your DNA or RNA
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Hayden (he/they) 01/12/2023 9:18 PM
It's worth while at least to post about individual bills that are beyond the pale imo
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seb it/they 01/12/2023 9:18 PM
I'm about to do DNA origami to spell out they/them in my cells
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:18 PM
are we thinking a short social media post them?
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Hayden (he/they) 01/12/2023 9:18 PM
Most new bills are just copies, we need to go after the tip of the spear
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
are we thinking a short social media post them?
Hayden (he/they) 01/12/2023 9:19 PM
Yes, it's going to be a mammoth effort to get a release for every important one
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:19 PM
yeah so maybe just a post
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i think we'll get better engagement too
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seb it/they 01/12/2023 9:19 PM
mhm
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:19 PM
statements might be good to save for the home front or real bad shit (edited)
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Hayden (he/they) 01/12/2023 9:19 PM
QT for Twitter, screen grab for insta?
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:20 PM
i do no know what these witch words mean
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Hayden (he/they) 01/12/2023 9:20 PM
Quote tweet and a screenshot of the news item
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/12/2023 9:21 PM
@social_media
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there have been about 50 anti trans bills in 2023 alone
Matt Cox he/him 01/13/2023 12:08 PM
IT'S NOT EVEN THE FIFTEENTH!!!!!!! Is there NOTHING else going on ?!?!?!?!
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Dad Rage Intensifies
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/13/2023 10:09 PM
Bill Number Sponsors Summary Recommendations S.29 - https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsearch.php?billnumbers=29&session=125&summary=B Sen. Hutto A BILL TO AMEND THE SOUTH CAROLINA CODE OF LAWS BY ADDING CHAPTER 140 TO TITLE 44 OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA CODE, TO PROVIDE THAT A WOMAN MAY HAV...
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Hayden (he/they) 01/17/2023 8:02 PM
I've just done a weekly check of the schedules for the SC Legislature, didn't spot any mention of the bills we are watching
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/17/2023 8:04 PM
thanks hayden
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/18/2023 6:14 PM
Absolutely horrifying development. A second state has released a bill that would ban gender affirming care up to the age of 26. South Carolina's bill would join Oklahoma's bill in forcing trans adults to medically detransition. This would be HB3730 in SC.
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trying to find this bill
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also in the judiciary committee
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we need to be tracking them as well as the medical committee
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/18/2023 6:22 PM
they have a tab in our representative list already
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bans liposuction and hair reconstruction? that seems like an insane addition (edited)
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
they have a tab in our representative list already
Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 6:23 PM
Senate or house?
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/18/2023 6:23 PM
i did not know there were two
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looks like the tab in the rep list is house judiciary committee
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the lawsuit vigilantism republicans love continues
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so I know the SC AG sucks, but does he have a record on any stuff like this? if he's the one that would be enforcing it there might be value in getting him on the record (edited)
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seb it/they 01/18/2023 6:28 PM
Alan Wilson is a ghoul
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I don't know his record on trans stuff but I've met him and had family members who worked in his office and i am not a fan
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He’s worked against same sex marriage, so I don’t think he’d be great with trans stuff either
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 6:47 PM
I'm setting aside time tonight to get the wheels spinning on this bullshit
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I'm so mad I could spit
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WhichWitch17 01/18/2023 6:47 PM
agreed, this is truly gross, unfortunately im not super great at reading/understanding legal stuff
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 6:48 PM
I'm going to do my best to research the people responsible, I imagine it may be relevant tomorrow
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WhichWitch17 01/18/2023 6:48 PM
most likely
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 6:54 PM
I think instead of just adding names where they can get lost in a spreadsheet, I'll make a google doc with pictures and info thats hopefully more accessible
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Those fuckers have titled this thing the Millstone Act
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Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in
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Beyond evil
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WhichWitch17 01/18/2023 6:58 PM
holy shit- i didnt even know that was a bible verse
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thats fucked
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:00 PM
Any just god would send these fuckers to the depths of hell
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WhichWitch17 01/18/2023 7:01 PM
absolutley
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Olivia
so I know the SC AG sucks, but does he have a record on any stuff like this? if he's the one that would be enforcing it there might be value in getting him on the record (edited)
Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:01 PM
I think any case Alan Wilson wouldnt choose to prosecute would be more out of personal inconveince than personal character
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Hayden (he/they)
I think instead of just adding names where they can get lost in a spreadsheet, I'll make a google doc with pictures and info thats hopefully more accessible
pickles- they/them (mel) 01/18/2023 7:05 PM
SC United has drafted a legislator “look book” that I will share as soon as it’s done. It has pix and pertinent info
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:06 PM
Cool, what Im throwing together will probably be similar
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the name of the act
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thats horrid
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WhichWitch17 01/18/2023 7:08 PM
how can these people say that theyre "not hateful" or that they "love everyone because christianity"
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:08 PM
Thats what the oklahoma bill was titled as well
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I can only assume the 26 years old has something to do with insurance?
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:10 PM
Maybe, or under the guise that "the brain doesnt fully develop until 25"
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WhichWitch17 01/18/2023 7:10 PM
i think its that
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:11 PM
Feels good having a whole-ass brain
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I may not have a brain, but
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WhichWitch17 01/18/2023 7:11 PM
but we can still drink/smoke at 21 and join the army at 18
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but you cant know youre trans until your brain is fully developed
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we'll let you go overseas and die or kill other people though, thats cool (edited)
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:12 PM
And get a rifle at 18 at a store
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Hayden (he/they)
Those fuckers have titled this thing the Millstone Act
A-A-Ron (they/them) 01/18/2023 7:12 PM
Ahh of course
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:13 PM
Beach, on of the sponsors, was once exec for the state boy scouts....
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. . . they have 40 years after the “crime” to prosecute physicians for providing the banned services
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:24 PM
So from the time I started doing research and now, the leg website has updated to indicate that the new bill has been referred to committee
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:43 PM
Oh shit this is Beach's first term as rep
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Hayden (he/they)
Oh shit this is Beach's first term as rep
This guy’s sponsored legislation is exactly what you’d expect. Anti-abortion, making divorce harder, hating drag shows, it’s all there. What a busy man.
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 7:53 PM
Im wading through Stewart's contribution, it is also terrible
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Honestly it is also really telling that these two are the only sponsors of the bill, most other ones have like a dozen sponsors
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Theres just something I threw together
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 9:53 PM
Just to be sure I checked the sc house meeting schedule, nothing for this new bill or 3551
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I mean, given the lack of cosponsors and the extreme nature, and because I'm in an optimistic mood, this feels like signalling legislation destined to get pigeonholed in committee.
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 10:09 PM
The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a nonprofit organization of conservative state legislators and private sector representatives who draft and share model legislation for distribution among state governments in the United States.ALEC provides a forum for state legislators and private sector members to collaborate on model bills—...
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Suppossedly ALEC is responsible for draft bills like this one and oklahoma
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I mean, given the lack of cosponsors and the extreme nature, and because I'm in an optimistic mood, this feels like signalling legislation destined to get pigeonholed in committee.
Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 10:09 PM
I think they are deliberately overplayin their hand to make banning care under 18 seem reasonable
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Suppossedly ALEC is responsible for draft bills like this one and oklahoma
that always feels like the way of it. I'm convinced at least half of the legislators can't read or write given how much they just copy+paste ALEC stuff
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Hayden (he/they) 01/18/2023 10:12 PM
Especially given that both bills had the millstone title
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I also wonder how deliberate putting forward the bill right before legislation day was
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Jesus fuck, 3730 gives a 40 YEAR TIME LIMIT for penalties on docs for giving gender affirming care????
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Oop that's already been yelled about, nvm
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seb it/they 01/19/2023 8:24 AM
It's still fucking bullshit
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Hayden (he/they) 01/19/2023 10:57 AM
I won't have time to work on the statement today, but as usual anyone is welcome to edit it. If it does get published, make sure to tag media because I haven't seen much reporting on it
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Oop that's already been yelled about, nvm
No, you’re right, it’s absolute trash. Most violent crimes don’t have a statue of limitations that long
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:05 AM
They act as if trans people are a threat to society as an entirety
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I am a threat, but that’s irrelevant
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I am a threat, but that’s irrelevant
ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:07 AM
Just make sure to be a threat safely, can't cause chaos if you're hurt
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I do like to think queer people are actually exactly that much of a threat to cisheteropatriarchal society. We are making a fair amount of good and necessary changes 💅
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:10 AM
I'm really hoping we can eventually get the equality act passed. But considering we have a red majority in the national senate it's not going to happen any time soon
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Especially with the rising homelessness sub-community part of the lgbt community
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But on a more serious note: This type of thing is actually more important to a ruling class than is immediately apparent, and it goes back for a very long time. If it is reinforced across society that there is only one valid way to live, it is much easier to justify your nation imposing that way of life upon others. You can look back through a lot of colonialism with that lens. And conversely, if your society reinforces that there are many different valid ways to live, how are you going to justify doing imperialism? Same type of things apply with systems like white supremacy.
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and of course this is only one way to look at cisheteropatriarchy as a system, there's obviously a lot more at play than just this
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I do like to think queer people are actually exactly that much of a threat to cisheteropatriarchal society. We are making a fair amount of good and necessary changes 💅
Matt Cox he/him 01/19/2023 11:19 AM
What they fear tells us more about them than what they purport to believe
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Hayden (he/they) 01/19/2023 11:22 AM
Jacklyn and I did stop by beach's office on the way out, magically he was not there
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Hayden (he/they)
Jacklyn and I did stop by beach's office on the way out, magically he was not there
ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:29 AM
He's so stereotypically conservative, it doesn't surprise me that'd he'd refuse conversation
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Hayden (he/they)
Jacklyn and I did stop by beach's office on the way out, magically he was not there
uwu i just wanted to talk 👉👈
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Hayden (he/they) 01/19/2023 11:32 AM
The official excuse was that he's coming from the upstate and he's going straight to the house floor
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:32 AM
Convenient
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/19/2023 4:32 PM
I saw Beach in the lobby, but he was too busy chatting up Trantham to pay me any attention
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I did get to briefly speak to Roger Nutt. I cornered him in the elevator. Also spoke with Senator Shealey. Both Republicans. Nutt was less receptive than Shealey
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Shealey was in the multi-coloured blazer? (edited)
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/19/2023 4:35 PM
Yes
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 4:35 PM
Oh glad to hear that Shealey was at least somewhat receptive. Hopefully my letter didn't go to waste then
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Shealey seemed interested when I got to speak with her and looked like she was listening to the guy from the gay coc
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/19/2023 4:37 PM
Foster and adoption is important to Shealey. I was brief. "Hi, I'm Amberlyn. I'm a trans woman, an adoptive mother, and I work with a lot of queer youth in this state who are terrified over these legislative attacks. I hope you help us." She seemed very somber and thanked me before she left (edited)
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 4:38 PM
That's awesome to hear
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 4:41 PM
Hopefully that’s a good sign
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/19/2023 4:44 PM
We got Rita Allison to flip on the don't say gay bill last year. She sadly got primaried in June
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So I gotta find another Republican to blow. Maybe Shealey is the one
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 4:45 PM
It’s possible. Good luck
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/19/2023 4:46 PM
Blowing republicans is always possible. It just tastes bad
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It’s really easy, they’re not very complicated. Getting them to change track is the trick ;-;
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 6:55 PM
Was just reading up on an article the event. Media talked to Rep. May and ofc he's taking the stance of its about protecting the children. Then please Representative, tell me how restricting adults in these bills about "Children" is protecting them
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I'm ashamed to be part of this man's district
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/19/2023 6:56 PM
they're definitely going to start the infantilization rhetoric machine going
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claim we're "mentally ill" and "cant decide for ourselves" or something else ableist (edited)
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 6:57 PM
I'm going to have to write another letter to the man
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/19/2023 6:57 PM
i wonder if we can book a meeting with him
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you are a constituent after all
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you are a constituent after all
ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 6:58 PM
I'd love too, but i have no idea how
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/19/2023 6:58 PM
thats part of oat's next step is to get people meeting
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I'd love too, but i have no idea how
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/19/2023 6:58 PM
ive done it, you kinda just need to call their secretary and be persistent, dont tell them you're negative to his position
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 6:59 PM
I'll look into it. I have really bad social anxiety but I want to do whatever I can to stop these bills from passing
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If they do pass I'm just going to have to leave state
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I dont turn 21 until October
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And God forbid the 26 one passes
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I'll look into it. I have really bad social anxiety but I want to do whatever I can to stop these bills from passing
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 01/19/2023 7:04 PM
yeah, sorry, we had a whole meeting on how this will go down but we're still figuring it out. bottom line is theres people who can go with you to support if anyone meets with a rep
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Absolutely. A lot of us live in Columbia and I’m sure would be happy to go meet reps with anyone who’s nervous about going alone.
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 7:08 PM
That's reassuring to know, especially meeting with obvious transphobic or misinformed politicians
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Just wrote another letter in the meantime
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 01/19/2023 7:15 PM
If I'm ever able to provide backup I totally can, just let us know!
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Especially if someone is from Spartanburg*
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 7:16 PM
Btw I'm not sure if this has been posted anywhere but if not, you can send a message to your rep without sending in postage with this link https://www.scstatehouse.gov/email.php?chamber=B
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Lynnie (she/her)
So I gotta find another Republican to blow. Maybe Shealey is the one
Matt Cox he/him 01/19/2023 8:48 PM
Shealy was our sponsor in Wolf-PAC. One of our members was a trans woman who got her to file the resolution. She’s open to listening to things. I wonder if reminding her of that would be beneficial?
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I think she was still in high school when she got Shealy to sponsor. If not then just graduated
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/19/2023 10:44 PM
I wonder if someone can look at H.3515. My reading on this is that it is a sweeping deregulation bill. Specifically, title 40, chapter 75 looks like it would allow anyone to call themselves a mental health counselor in SC. It's not inherently an attack, but I could see it be a dismantling of a lot of systems, or making it easier for legislators to set standards instead of professionals
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Could be a path for conversion therapy
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Lynnie (she/her)
I wonder if someone can look at H.3515. My reading on this is that it is a sweeping deregulation bill. Specifically, title 40, chapter 75 looks like it would allow anyone to call themselves a mental health counselor in SC. It's not inherently an attack, but I could see it be a dismantling of a lot of systems, or making it easier for legislators to set standards instead of professionals
ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 10:52 PM
I'll have a look at it, can't promise I'd be able to provide informative thoughts on it tho
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Hayden (he/they) 01/19/2023 10:54 PM
The bill does seem to deregulate rules about who can be a medical counselor. Also includes things like hair braiders and funeral directors?
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:04 PM
Yeah, it looks like just trying to get get rid of goverment oversight
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It's definitely a dangerous game to play
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:14 PM
It'd be quite ridiculous for it to pass, it'd make SC the only State without licensing requirements as far as I'm aware
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:22 PM
I'd also be concerned about title 63 concerning social workers especially with the anti-trans laws being passed that would make it crime for a minor to transition [ Removed some stuff to make it easier to read ] (edited)
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:22 PM
Oh that’s bad-
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As someone who wants to be a counselor/psychologist. That really concerns me
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Getting a license isn’t supposed to be a week long process- it’s like that for a reason
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:24 PM
That was a misunderstanding on my part haha, sorry. Misread it
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:25 PM
Ah I gotcha. But the rest still stands. This is a dangerous idea if it were to pass
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People providing services like counseling are highly educated and trained for a reason. Because if you aren’t you can cause more harm that good
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:25 PM
Indeed. It has unseen consequences for all South carolinaians.
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:26 PM
Jesus you know every time I’m like “I’ve got friends and family in this state maybe I’ll wanna stay for a bit longer cause there’s things keeping me here” somethings happens to make me just wanna run
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:27 PM
The laws for oversight have been long standing. I dont see anything happening from it. Just a bunch of pro-bussiness legislators trying to make it easier to be a quack job
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Even Beach left the bill
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:28 PM
I Hope not. But at the same time bills like this can pop up so the ones they really want pass through cause they aren’t seen as “too extreme” like these ones by comparison
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:29 PM
Even if it is a diversion tactic it's not a very good one, cause it's not reasonable to anyone with a smidge of intelligence or morals
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Even if it is a diversion tactic it's not a very good one, cause it's not reasonable to anyone with a smidge of intelligence or morals
WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:30 PM
It’s really funny you assume most of our state government has morals
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Or intelligence for that matter (edited)
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:31 PM
Lol fair, but even a child could tell you that this is ridiculous since it gets rids of nesscary restrictions.
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It doesn't revise them, just reppeals them all together
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:32 PM
I definitely agree with you. But at the same time. Rn repubs are more about “owning the libs” than “doing anything helpful or potentially beneficial”
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That’s my main concern more than anything
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:35 PM
A lot of the anti-trans bills seem concerned about controlling the education and mental help people receive, repealing these laws would give them less lower, so it would against their efforts to pass the bill
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:37 PM
You’re absolutely right. So I agree it probably won’t go anywhere.
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But the fact that these ideas are even being put on the table in the first place is extremely concerning
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:39 PM
They probably just got paid off by some companies. There's been some really shady companies in SC lately being busted by ethics committees
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my guess is that teachers is the key thing here tbh, there's a huge shortage atm that the state can't fill and places like florida have gottena round it by loosening requirements (edited)
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:39 PM
Yeah I don’t doubt that at all.
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my guess is that teachers is the key thing here tbh, there's a huge shortage atm that the state can't fill and places like florida have gottena round it by loosening requirements (edited)
WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:40 PM
But yeah we’re losing teachers ready quickly in this state. It’s bad
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my guess is that teachers is the key thing here tbh, there's a huge shortage atm that the state can't fill and places like florida have gottena round it by loosening requirements (edited)
ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:40 PM
Probably, but they're taking away teachers rights to live freely where they want. So you'd probably see a higher exodus with the law
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Oh wait
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I misread again
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But what good does repealing the teacher qualifications cause if you're just going to create a worse education
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Quality over quanity is the right decision here
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But what good does repealing the teacher qualifications cause if you're just going to create a worse education
WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:45 PM
It looks like they’re doing something of substance so they keep voters
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When in reality it makes things worse in the long term. This state is like 46th in education for a reason
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But their voters don’t exactly see or care about that
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:46 PM
Most voters would vote republican in this state regardless if they did anything or not
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Most people just pay attention to national politics and vote on party that way
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:47 PM
Yeah but it’s to keep the ones that might flip if they don’t do something seemingly substantial. It’s a manipulation thing.
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It also lets them point the finger at dems and others like “they want to make it harder to be a teacher we’re already strapped for them!” Makes it easier to vilify the opposition
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It’s honestly smart in the worst way and I hate it
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:48 PM
I suppose they also have to worry about the new voting districts as well, after the state got called out for gerrymandering
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:48 PM
That too yeah. It’s a lot of factors
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And it’s all manipulative performative bullshit.
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:50 PM
Luckily even if that is the main target, most schools arent going to hire someone without a degree of somesorts
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:50 PM
Very true
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That’s at least somewhat hopeful
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ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:51 PM
So it'd literally just be getting rid of goverment power in exchange for a flashy show.
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This state used to be so concerned with states rights, but now they're actively taking power away from the state.
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WhichWitch17 01/19/2023 11:52 PM
Mmmm delicious hypocrisy
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My favorite
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I wonder if someone can look at H.3515. My reading on this is that it is a sweeping deregulation bill. Specifically, title 40, chapter 75 looks like it would allow anyone to call themselves a mental health counselor in SC. It's not inherently an attack, but I could see it be a dismantling of a lot of systems, or making it easier for legislators to set standards instead of professionals
ColorfulKnoll 01/19/2023 11:55 PM
Cause stuff got buried, yeah, it's definitely dangerous getting rid of the regulations, and it could be used as a pathway to conversion therapy but it doesn't seem to be focus and is rather either a political stunt or a pro-bussiness bill just trying to make it easier for "entrepreneurs" and bussiness to not have to deal with goverment oversight.
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 2:10 PM
Plan to do a thread about what happened in the SC House today, since not all of it took place on the floor and a few of us worked hard to nail down both sides for the most basic info to try and cut through the noise. For now, subscribe to our newsletter: https://t.co/BF8MVEywct
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This thread is pretty relevant to our endeavors
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ColorfulKnoll 01/20/2023 2:23 PM
The infighting between Republicans is good at least
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 2:23 PM
Yes, seems like there's going to be major gridlock
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ColorfulKnoll 01/20/2023 2:25 PM
Thatd be great especially if it makes sure they can't get any anti-lgbt legislation passed as a result
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 2:25 PM
Yeah if we keep an eye on which house caucus members have the most beef with the freedom caucus it could tell us if things will make it through committee
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Maybe a good chore for a time when I'm not busy is figuring out which caucus the committee members belong to
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ColorfulKnoll 01/20/2023 2:26 PM
If I can help out let me know
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If we can get meetings with representatives maybe it'd help with trying to push the rivalry a bit? It's kind of a morally gray approach pushing rivalries but if it can stop bills being passed it'd help
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 2:35 PM
Well neither the house judiciary committee chair or first vice chair are a part of the freedom caucus
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Though tensions have been brewing for months, internal divisions between members of the hard-right House Freedom Caucus and their GOP colleagues spilled out into the open on Jan. 19 in
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More good news lol
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Can't read the full thing without a subscription though
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ColorfulKnoll 01/20/2023 2:38 PM
Honestly I may buy a subscription, I've been reading alot of the post and courier lately. I'll see if I can write a summary for the people here when I get home
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 2:41 PM
Members of the state House of Representatives are pushing a controversial doctrine known as nullification to fight what they say is federal overreach. It has a long and complicated South
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Alternatively we can take known members of the freedom caucus and cross reference them will bill sponsors
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 2:53 PM
Just checked, the millstone act still just has the two sponsors, Stewart and Beach
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ColorfulKnoll 01/20/2023 3:02 PM
Summary for the Post and Courier. A number of legislators haven't signed onto the new rules for the republican caucus, notable names listed by the article are: Reps. Adam Morgan, R.J May III. Causing those who have not signed to not be considered as republican cacus members. Freedom Cacus Members also introduced surprise amendments to how money is used by the government, or put it in tax rebates ( which as stated by the article is probably illegal ) the surprise amendments proposed caused some hot debates between Republicans, most notably between Reps Caskey and Morgan as Morgan's reasons for the surprise amendments were questioned by Caskey. Then at the end of the article they explain that the infighting started due to the freedom cacus members running primaries against incumbents this last voting cycle.
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 3:03 PM
Oh yeah the campaign against rule was rule 16 for the house republican caucus
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ColorfulKnoll 01/20/2023 3:04 PM
Nullification didn't work the last time South Carolina tried it. The lack of education in SC really shows if they don't know that basic part of SC history
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 3:05 PM
Hopefully we get to the "hang Calhoun from the first tree" part
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ColorfulKnoll 01/20/2023 3:06 PM
Lol, sadly I don't even think it'd even get that far
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Talked with Charles Reid today (clerk of the house) and he’s not optimistic about the ability of the legislature to get along atm
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 3:37 PM
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I’m sickos
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if theyre talking about nullification now, im getting reallyyyy worried about where this'll go
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Hayden (he/they) 01/20/2023 10:22 PM
If it's like any of these other freedom caucus bills, it's a waste of time
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I doubt they would stick to their guns, they are a bunch of cowards
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I doubt they would stick to their guns, they are a bunch of cowards
ColorfulKnoll 01/20/2023 10:37 PM
Even if they do, there isn't much hope for their for the ideas to get passed since they're terribly ran and barely even thoughtout. Like yesterday, Introducing last minute changes was a very bad play even if they honestly did just think of it last minute, that just shows lack of preparedness and organization. (edited)
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ColorfulKnoll 01/21/2023 9:38 AM
@Matt Cox he/him, apologies for the ping but a better place to put here. Looked at Sen. Katrina Shealy's platform and it seems like she's against abortion so the bills around that area will most likely be a touchy subject. She's also deeply invested in the welfare of children. So it may be helpful to have some documents and resources on hand how gender affirming care can approve mental wellness for trans children. (edited)
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@Matt Cox he/him, apologies for the ping but a better place to put here. Looked at Sen. Katrina Shealy's platform and it seems like she's against abortion so the bills around that area will most likely be a touchy subject. She's also deeply invested in the welfare of children. So it may be helpful to have some documents and resources on hand how gender affirming care can approve mental wellness for trans children. (edited)
pickles- they/them (mel) 01/21/2023 9:49 AM
Sen. Shealy is complicated. She identifies as “pro-life,” but she was instrumental in the defeat of the total abortion ban last session. (edited)
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pickles- they/them (mel)
Sen. Shealy is complicated. She identifies as “pro-life,” but she was instrumental in the defeat of the total abortion ban last session. (edited)
ColorfulKnoll 01/21/2023 9:53 AM
Good to know
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Thank you
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pickles- they/them (mel) 01/21/2023 9:54 AM
Sorry, Senator Shealy
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She and the other 4 women in the senate publicly reprimanded Josh Kimbrell last session for being a misogynistic douche.
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Matt Cox he/him 01/21/2023 9:57 AM
Would it be more or less effective to present personal stories about transition, how important it would have been to access care at appropriate times, or how effective it was to have does so (ex: puberty blockers before puberty)? For one-on-one conversations with someone like Shealy?
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Would it be more or less effective to present personal stories about transition, how important it would have been to access care at appropriate times, or how effective it was to have does so (ex: puberty blockers before puberty)? For one-on-one conversations with someone like Shealy?
pickles- they/them (mel) 01/21/2023 9:59 AM
I think personal stories help a ton. Shealy told me I reminded her of a queer family member she cares about. She loves her queer family, and anytime we can connect our lives and experiences to theirs is super helpful.
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At least, she says she loves her queer family. Love is a verb and something to be demonstrated through action, not words.
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Matt Cox he/him 01/21/2023 10:01 AM
While I'm skeptical of anyone who wears the elephant and uses the term "love," I think she's prime for a chat. Any way I can help with this, I'm down.
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ColorfulKnoll 01/22/2023 3:07 PM
Was scrolling through local New and found an article that has a lot of information on Sen. Shealy
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Hayden (he/they) 01/22/2023 3:28 PM
Screenshot?
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ColorfulKnoll 01/22/2023 3:32 PM
It's a very long article. But here's a snippet.
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I believe the state allows for a limited amount of free views for a person a day. That or their system is bugged atm and letting me read it
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If there's some political issue with "The State" I don't know about please let me know and I'll compile a pdf with screenshots
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Key Points: - Identifies as pro-life, thinks a pregnant person’s life being in danger is their decision to make and doesn’t think the state legislature is in a place to legislate on bodies right now when it’s a bunch of men with no medical knowledge - Wants more women in legislature, involved in pushing the women’s caucus to do more - Has a terrifying death stare and says what she thinks, doesn’t believe in political promises - Soft spot for DJJ and DSS reform, women, family, and children’s issues (particularly foster care reform) - Likes programs that help get people employed and off social services - Anti-sex work - Husband has Alzheimer’s and is trying to get $30 million for USC to study it - Loves donkeys and Wonder Woman
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This is most of the stuff I got from it, in her positions and possible ways to find personal common ground on things she likes.
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ColorfulKnoll 01/22/2023 3:47 PM
A republican loving donkeys is kind of ironic
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Key Points: - Identifies as pro-life, thinks a pregnant person’s life being in danger is their decision to make and doesn’t think the state legislature is in a place to legislate on bodies right now when it’s a bunch of men with no medical knowledge - Wants more women in legislature, involved in pushing the women’s caucus to do more - Has a terrifying death stare and says what she thinks, doesn’t believe in political promises - Soft spot for DJJ and DSS reform, women, family, and children’s issues (particularly foster care reform) - Likes programs that help get people employed and off social services - Anti-sex work - Husband has Alzheimer’s and is trying to get $30 million for USC to study it - Loves donkeys and Wonder Woman
I'm gonna guess that the 'womens causes' isn't gonna be as inclusive as our definition is tho...
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I'm gonna guess that the 'womens causes' isn't gonna be as inclusive as our definition is tho...
ColorfulKnoll 01/22/2023 3:54 PM
Well according to her Biography on the SC State house website she's evangelical Lutheran which is a denomination accepting to trans people and just elected it's first trans bishop not too long ago. So there's hope
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I believe the state allows for a limited amount of free views for a person a day. That or their system is bugged atm and letting me read it
Matt Cox he/him 01/22/2023 3:57 PM
Anyone with a Richland library card (maybe others too) has access to NewsBank which has a more-or-less up-to-date subscription (sometimes the current one doesn't get uploaded until late). I can show how to get there if anyone wants
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Show me a 10ft paywall, I’ll show you a 12ft ladder.
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Matt Cox he/him 01/22/2023 4:00 PM
Someone sent me this, but I have few issues re: paywalls (usually a work-around) but I should look into it
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the state does seem to be weird for me rn tho, not even got a free read and takes too long to load thru that site right now
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I'm gonna guess that the 'womens causes' isn't gonna be as inclusive as our definition is tho...
Almost definitely, but she was one of the few legislators who showed up to that SC United event, so it’s may not be all bad news for us
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not the jeb emoji 😭
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Its Jeb bc we're winning!
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patriots in control!
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Matt Cox he/him 01/22/2023 4:08 PM
please clap
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I think it's pronounced, "JEB!"
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patriots in control!
An America we can believe in 🇺🇸 🔥 🏳️‍⚧️
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/23/2023 9:53 AM
I'm gonna try to find time to send a follow-up "Hey, remember me from the elevator where you withered into a prune before my eyes?" email to Nutt today. Give a little more detail as to what I was talking about in that brief convo with him. I'm in his district. If I ever felt safe running, my campaign slogan would be "Neuter district 34 - lose those Nutts!"
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Matt Cox he/him 01/23/2023 9:53 AM
omg the range of jokes gets inappropriate reeeeeeeeeeally fast
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/23/2023 9:54 AM
Esp when talking about a trans woman running against him 😅
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Matt Cox he/him 01/23/2023 9:55 AM
It takes a woman to bust Nutt
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CW joke is Dad AF
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Lynnie (she/her) 01/23/2023 9:56 AM
Yours is currently my top contender
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George (He/They) 01/23/2023 4:41 PM
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Hayden (he/they) 01/26/2023 9:32 AM
Why would teacher associations make claims that cause teachers to leave the field? Where are these children that think actions of the 💀 are their fault? The field needs to be evened out for unprivileged kids. #southcarolina #sceducation #scfored #h3728 #jermainejohnson #moms4liberty #kathylanding
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I found this account really useful for looking at snippets of testimony
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On the national level but still important
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this is helpful
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there are 15 bills listed
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 8:54 AM
Just did another weekly check of the legislature meeting schedule, did not spot any of our bills
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 8:55 AM
Thanks Hayden
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 5:48 PM
Did any of the legislator sample emails get sent out
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@Moderator
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 5:49 PM
No
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 5:50 PM
Okay I'll construct the last few, someone with the email just needs to copy/paste them with the emails linked in that file
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 02/08/2023 5:52 PM
If you can send me the link I'll do it when I get home
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 5:52 PM
I can also do it immediately, I'm already home
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 5:53 PM
I'll take a little time to shape them up too
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Good afternoon, My name is [name] and I am a member of Organize Against Transphobia, a coalition of activists working against anti-trans legislation in South Carolina. Recently we noticed that [relevant bill] has entered [relevant committee], of which you are [chair/a member]. Would it be poss...
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 5:53 PM
Okay when you're done send a ping
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Thank you so much
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 02/08/2023 5:55 PM
Are these meant to be sent to Dem allies, or Repubs too? Jw
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 5:56 PM
Its just powerful people in the relevant committees
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Alright I think they are good to go, minus a name @A-A-Ron (they/them) @seb it/they . Each email has its own page for clarity, remember to keep scrolling down. Thanks!
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:05 PM
I can put my name for them, do others want their names? I don't want it to just be me
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also what's a good subject?
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you can add mine too
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 02/08/2023 6:08 PM
Use mine some too
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:10 PM
do yall want to dm me your last names ? or just first names?
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actually i'm just doing last names
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danny verdin doesn't need my last name
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 6:13 PM
You could just put a random first name as well
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:13 PM
i put in our names, i just need a subject
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 6:13 PM
I would say it almost looks more official coming from one "PR" person than a menagerie of people
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Subject could be "Urgent Constituent Meeting Request"
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Hayden (he/they)
I would say it almost looks more official coming from one "PR" person than a menagerie of people
on a related note I think first and last does better here too, even if it's a fake name
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:15 PM
okay do we want to change it to all one name?
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who?
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do we have verdin's email?
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i don't see it
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 6:17 PM
Or just combine two people's names. "Hayden" is a plausible last name
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Verdin just has a contact box on his website, the worm (edited)
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The other ones I at least had to dig for to find on websites, his isnt even listed there
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:18 PM
ugh
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 02/08/2023 6:19 PM
he has aa mailing address if someone knows how to send a letter
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:19 PM
who is most likely to eb able to show up?
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bc i feel that's who's best to attach names
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 6:20 PM
Many orgs have people who just do PR and dont do on the ground stuff, I dont think we necessarily need to put a real person's name
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Although for brevity if you want to just put my first name I give you license
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:20 PM
i'm just going to use the names i already put tbh
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unless it's like a really really big problem to do so
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 6:21 PM
Ultimately it does not matter that much
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:21 PM
cool
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ugh what do i put for zip code for verdin
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everything else has been sent
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 6:24 PM
I'll look up the zipcode he represents
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29360
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Thats the one on his PO Box
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 6:26 PM
all emails have been sent :)
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greeaaatttt
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 6:31 PM
You could also send the message through the legislative website
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I tried to go for other emails because I assume they don't check that very often
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 02/08/2023 7:44 PM
And it’s official. H. 3728 passes the House 83-24. Making history in the worst way by supporting its erasure
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 7:44 PM
great
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Yee haw 🤠 💀
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 02/08/2023 7:45 PM
H.3728: "South Carolina Transparency and Integrity in Education Act"
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"all students learn in a positive environment where they are made to feel welcomed, supported, respected, and free from discrimination." ...I can't
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At least it still has to go through the Senate But also It’s the sc senate
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 02/08/2023 7:50 PM
The issue with this, though, is that conservatives just have the power and outrage to enforce it. Technically, we could use the language as it's written to make them actually teach history and science and shit
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"parents and students can raise awareness and have their concerns about objectionable material heard and addressed whenever a topic is presented in a way that is biased towards one ideology"
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They're trying to codify "objective facts", which they know they can get away with...for now.
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"parents and students can raise awareness and have their concerns about objectionable material heard and addressed whenever a topic is presented in a way that is biased towards one ideology"
Wonder what happens if someone objects to their ideology
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 02/08/2023 7:55 PM
We could basically just log-jam shit and create a living hell for them
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PFLAG would obviously be a good group to do this.
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Hayden (he/they)
You could also send the message through the legislative website
Make it a physical letter and directly go to their office? Worst case scenario you give it to whoever they have at the desk
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 8:11 PM
Not a bad idea
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If you need me to, I’m always in blatt and gressette anyway
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 8:34 PM
They may need to be reformatted with our emblem and everything
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 02/08/2023 8:44 PM
Does anyone have access to a lot of pages of printing? We could just do a mail-in campaign. Idk if that would be worth the energy in the long run, but it is an option.
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seb it/they 02/08/2023 8:46 PM
I can print a ton!!
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Same, whatever you need, it’s either free or super cheap at usc
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 02/08/2023 9:04 PM
its been a year and a half since i got banned from the free honors printing
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i wonder if they have forgotten me yet
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Banned???
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Were you printing a bomb?
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 02/08/2023 9:04 PM
i printed 200 pages of fire voros material in a week and they put a new rule of "no politics" in place because of me
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Well this is probably not political
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BenjaminIsaac 02/08/2023 9:04 PM
that’s not even politics
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 02/08/2023 9:05 PM
idk what they said
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like i said, been over a year
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something something misuse of university resources
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BenjaminIsaac 02/08/2023 9:06 PM
I used them to print a bunch of stuff about how usc building names are racist after that which they seemed fine with but they probably would’ve been mad if I printed 200 (edited)
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 02/08/2023 9:06 PM
hey look they said 100 pages per sitting (edited)
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and one session per day
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not my fault, i followed the rules
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Well, that’s still a lot, especially considering the number of legislators we have
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Also consider going to executive agencies (not just cabinet, there are like 60, not even including various smaller commissions and agencies under them) who might have an interest in this legislation and something to say if a lot of people voice their opinion
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Hayden (he/they) 02/08/2023 9:11 PM
Are there any specific executive agencies to look at?
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I’ll go through and look
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I’m assuming targeting education, healthcare, maybe arts commissions and the like who might handle public performance grants and stuff?
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Off the top of my head I’m thinking of the education oversight committee (a bit more niche but they are invested in having good teachers and educational standards, which some of these laws could affect), the arts commission (they support increasing diversity in state public arts endeavours, unsure on their support of queer art and the like), etc.
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Hayden (he/they) 02/14/2023 1:14 PM
Conducted a weekly search, still nothing on the agenda for both chambers
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they)
i printed 200 pages of fire voros material in a week and they put a new rule of "no politics" in place because of me
lmk if you need printing I work at honors printing
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 02/15/2023 11:44 AM
cool
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Sam McKenzie 02/19/2023 9:29 PM
https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess125_2023-2024/bills/3616.htm Have y'all seen this? It's tangentially related to our work imo. It's a drag show bill
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Hayden (he/they) 02/19/2023 9:32 PM
It wasnt on our radar, thanks for sharing
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Sam McKenzie 02/20/2023 9:21 AM
It's also phrased very broadly so that it would ban trans people from giving concerts or shows in this state bc they wouldn't be allowed to exhibit dress for a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth - so Sam Smith and Kim Petras couldn't tour in SC, for example
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oh thats an interesting point too wow
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Sam McKenzie 02/21/2023 12:08 PM
Another bill that crossed my radar: https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsearch.php?billnumbers=3738&session=125&summary=B It's an antidiscrimination bill that would update other antidiscrimination statutes to include discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation, as well as adding language prohibiting discrimination based on facial features, hair types, hair textures, and hairstyles associated with race
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cade (he/him) 02/21/2023 12:14 PM
finally some good fucking food bills
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Sam McKenzie 02/21/2023 12:15 PM
I'll say
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Starving over here
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cade (he/him) 02/21/2023 12:17 PM
we’ll have to see what we can do to promote and support this one cause it really is a breath of fresh air to see smth that has to do with the community and isn’t just trying to strip rights away
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seb it/they 02/22/2023 3:40 PM
In 2023, states around the country are voting on bills that would block trans people from receiving basic healthcare, education, legal recognition, and the right to publicly exist. Learn more and speak up for trans rights.
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This lists a lot more bills than we've got
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Will (He/Him) 02/22/2023 5:05 PM
I looked at all of the bills in the transphobia section, made some arguments about specifically the flaws in the bill. If we get to present to legislators we should mix this with examples of queer joy. Feel free to dm me about any issues, I'm new to this.
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CW for the document: transphobia, medical procedures, genitals/genital function, rape, and incest (edited)
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damn you work fast
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for S.274, I would specify that in some cases it's the exact same plastic surgeries, which a cis person can get at 18 but a trans person would have to be 21 to get because it's gender affirming. Based on my reading of the bill, we would then need a letter from a psychiatrist to get those same surgeries (edited)
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Another bill that crossed my radar: https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsearch.php?billnumbers=3738&session=125&summary=B It's an antidiscrimination bill that would update other antidiscrimination statutes to include discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation, as well as adding language prohibiting discrimination based on facial features, hair types, hair textures, and hairstyles associated with race
Came here to post this, here's a Tweet with the chilling text front and center: https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1628380790349344768
Florida has introduced the Empower Bigots Act, HB991. It would classify accusations that someone engaged in discrimination as defamation per se with $35k minimum in damages. If it involves LGBTQ people and someone's beliefs, truth is no defense. This is absolutely chilling.
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Some actual (potential) good news in Oregon: https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1628641691832918016
Major new bill in Oregon. It would mandate that insurance covers ALL gender affirming care - surgeries, hormone therapy, FFS, hair removal, everything. Oregon would be the 4th state to mandate such care. EVERY Senate Democrat cosponsored the bill. GO OREGON!
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cade (he/him) 02/23/2023 12:46 PM
Though some Republicans argue the bill would not broadly affect drag shows, LGBTQ advocates and business owners say it will create a chilling effect.
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Terrible news. The first drag ban has passed in Tennessee, and goes to the governors desk. It could easily ban pride. It bans public drag. It bans transgender people performing, who are just living their lives. It charges them with a felony! It is blatantly unconstitutional.
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Voting tallies today in Topeka HB 2238 (trans sports) 82 yes 40 no SB 180 (women’s bill of rights) 26 yes 10 no SB 233 (trans health) 26 yes 11 no
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cade (he/him) 02/24/2023 9:58 AM
if i’m not mistaken, TN is one of the many states in which a felony means you can lose your right to vote. another right they’re trying sneak in and steal from for no good reason
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republicans see a community that doesn’t align with their views and say hmm how can we dismantle their fundamental human rights so we can stay in power?
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Camryn Aisling 02/24/2023 10:28 AM
Is Tennessee post-carceral or only while imprisoned?
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cade (he/him) 02/24/2023 10:43 AM
it’s up to the courts according to what i’ve read, they can look at your crime and decide whether or not your right to vote should be restored
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which given the conservative and red state nature of most places in the state, does not good (edited)
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cade (he/him) 02/26/2023 2:44 PM
(St. Paul, MN) -- The Minnesota House Judiciary and Civil Law committee is the first to approve a bill to prev...
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best bill i’ve seen in too long 😭
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Bill number?
cade (he/him) 02/26/2023 10:18 PM
HF146 i believe
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Camryn Aisling 02/26/2023 10:21 PM
Yup, that's it
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seb it/they 03/01/2023 1:27 PM
Oklahoma will hear SB129. It prevents any facility, doctor, organization that receives any public funds from offering gender affirming care at any age. This could shut down most gender affirming care in the state, effectively banning much adult care. Watch it with me. 🧵
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seb it/they 03/01/2023 1:36 PM
We need to keep doing things, and I think it's really important we ramp up our engagement/activity
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Bc there's a real nonzero chance this could pass here
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Hayden (he/they) 03/01/2023 1:46 PM
Agreed
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anti trans bill tracker
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2023 anti-trans bills tracker. Explore data on U.S. anti-trans legislation including totals and themes including sports, bathrooms, healthcare, pronouns, drag shows, and education.
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seb it/they 03/04/2023 8:34 PM
Florida has introduced a bill that allows for the legal kidnapping of trans children. It grants Florida courts emergency jurisdiction over those children and would allow courts to ignore all other court orders and custody determinations. https://t.co/YMNiOyyBzm
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cade (he/him) 03/04/2023 8:41 PM
one of the craziest bills that have come out of all of the ones lately, and that’s saying smth given how fascist and overreaching the rest of them have already been (edited)
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 03/06/2023 6:44 PM
didnt see any of the critical bills on the statehouse agenda for this week
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Hayden (he/they) 03/06/2023 6:52 PM
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Hayden (he/they) 03/08/2023 9:07 AM
Interesting caveat on this list of members of the South Carolina Freedom Caucus: "Total representation may not be shown as some members are anonymous." ? https://t.co/87ZsVLZXOg
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Good luck to those going to the state house today
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cade (he/him) 03/08/2023 12:31 PM
why would they even tell on themselves like that 💀
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Nerak1 Dave 03/08/2023 8:03 PM
Leaked emails give a glimpse of the religious-right networks behind transgender healthcare bans.
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I think/hope that showing this crap is coming from outside the state will help delay its implementation here.
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@legislature research tonight I'm giving a presentation about the anti-trans bills, could someone put together a list of senate education committee members with contact info ASAP?
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H.3728 goes to committee tomorrow, it's a don't say gay bill (edited)
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Hayden (he/they) 03/14/2023 11:23 AM
I'm at work but I will see what I can do
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H.3728 goes to committee tomorrow, it's a don't say gay bill (edited)
Camryn Aisling 03/14/2023 11:36 AM
Jeez, it's so dang boilerplate, I swear I've seen the same text in a dozen other laws
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Here is the Ed committee if anyone could pull those contact details
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Here’s a screenshot list of it all in one place
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These are just numbers, their emails are almost always just FirstLast@scsenate.gov
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Here’s a screenshot list of it all in one place
where is this from? it looks really well consolidated
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Olivia
where is this from? it looks really well consolidated
It's from the back end of a legislative reporting thing where they connect lobbyists and nonprofits and government agency people with the state house. The info in these screenshots is all publicly available, but a lot of what they do is a paid service where information is compiled and summaries of state house goings on and committee meeting reports and such are provided (what I do day to day) (edited)
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apparently H.3728 (don't say gay) has a public comment period tomorrow, meeting starts at 9 am. @Moderator can someone make an announcement and see if people can get there to speak? (edited)
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apparently H.3728 (don't say gay) has a public comment period tomorrow, meeting starts at 9 am. @Moderator can someone make an announcement and see if people can get there to speak? (edited)
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 03/14/2023 1:48 PM
Working on it
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Done
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ColorfulKnoll 03/14/2023 2:12 PM
H.3728 also seems to put sex education in a gray zone as it doesn't fit their definition for what is or isn't pornography. While diagrams aren't intended to stimulate sexual feelings they're also not meant to be asethetic or emotional (edited)
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I think it's also helpful to add that it's also a ban on critical race theory without explicitly saying it's a ban
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Just for anyone reading this who isn't informed already
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Will (He/Him) 03/14/2023 2:50 PM
Does anyone know where 308 gressette building is? Is it at the state house?
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ColorfulKnoll 03/14/2023 2:55 PM
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This is where Google says it is
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So it's on the grounds
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Will (He/Him)
Does anyone know where 308 gressette building is? Is it at the state house?
Yes! It's where the map above says it is and thankfully the name Gressette is carved right above the doors on the building so you can't mistake it for anything else.
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Will (He/Him)
Does anyone know where 308 gressette building is? Is it at the state house?
308 should be the room in Gressette I believe
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Will (He/Him) 03/14/2023 3:00 PM
Ok thank you! Now I just have to plan what to write
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@legislature research tonight I'm giving a presentation about the anti-trans bills, could someone put together a list of senate education committee members with contact info ASAP?
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Will (He/Him) 03/14/2023 4:35 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but H. 3728 doesn't have much don't say gay stuff, other than the one bit about requiring parental permission before doing any "instruction, training, or presentation" with the specific intent of educating on "gender roles, gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, or romantic or sexual relationships". It seems to be a lot worse on teaching about race and banning conversations about privilege, that sort of stuff.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but H. 3728 doesn't have much don't say gay stuff, other than the one bit about requiring parental permission before doing any "instruction, training, or presentation" with the specific intent of educating on "gender roles, gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, or romantic or sexual relationships". It seems to be a lot worse on teaching about race and banning conversations about privilege, that sort of stuff.
Sam McKenzie 03/14/2023 5:10 PM
Yeah, in the law school we're calling it the anti-CRT bill
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/14/2023 5:10 PM
They will probably re-add the don’t say gay stuff
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Also, we m call it the education censorship bill because “anti-crt” isn’t really truthful and it’s our opposition’s messaging
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pickles- they/them (mel)
They will probably re-add the don’t say gay stuff
unless I'm looking at this wrong the most recent version has added don't say gay stuff because the original doesn't seem to have the " instruction, training, or presentation that has the goal or purpose of studying, exploring, or informing attendees about gender roles or stereotypes, gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, or romantic or sexual relationships" part but the most recent version does. What stuff was removed? Looking more closely, it seems this language was just expanded so it bans more stuff (edited)
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the "library and media center" section is also a pretty transparent anti-LGBT attack imo
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pickles- they/them (mel)
Also, we m call it the education censorship bill because “anti-crt” isn’t really truthful and it’s our opposition’s messaging
Sam McKenzie 03/14/2023 5:16 PM
Okay, good to know! I'm in a group of law students that opposes bills like this, and we've always just said "anti-crt," so I didn't think that was the term that the bill's proponents used. I thought they would try to frame it more along the lines of protecting children or being pro-American or their usual bullshit spin
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Will (He/Him) 03/14/2023 5:42 PM
Can you all take a look at my speech so far? IDK what else I can add
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Will (He/Him) 03/15/2023 9:15 AM
So is anyone speaking? I heard that you have to sign up to speak and I didn’t know that
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seb it/they 03/15/2023 9:16 AM
@pickles- they/them (mel) can people still sign up to speak?
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Also is gressette the right building? anabelle is trying to find yall
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/15/2023 9:19 AM
No testimony has already started. It’s in gressette 308
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seb it/they 03/15/2023 9:20 AM
okay cool, thanks transheart
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/15/2023 9:20 AM
Sorry y’all I meant to post the details here on Monday, but my mom got sick and we had to go to hospital.
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seb it/they 03/15/2023 9:20 AM
you're fine, i hope your mom is doing better
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Will (He/Him) 03/15/2023 9:20 AM
Do they ever let people talk if they didn’t sign up?
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/15/2023 9:24 AM
Hey looks like there’s still taking testifiers. Want me to sign anyone up?
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Will (He/Him) 03/15/2023 9:31 AM
Yes! How do I sign up
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I wrote stuff and I’m sick of these testifiers already
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/15/2023 9:31 AM
Send me your full name asap and I’ll add it
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Will (He/Him) 03/15/2023 9:31 AM
William Gunter
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/15/2023 9:33 AM
Got will and Jackie added to the list
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Will (He/Him) 03/15/2023 9:33 AM
Nice! So we just wait to be called?
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/15/2023 9:33 AM
It’s sposed to end by 10:30. Not sure they’ll get to everyone
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So yes, show up and wait
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Will (He/Him) 03/15/2023 9:34 AM
I’m here enjoying listening to the same arguments I’ve heard a million times about crt
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/15/2023 9:34 AM
It promises to be frustrating, but we’ll have a debrief breakfast and a presser after
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Haha
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Will (He/Him) 03/15/2023 9:57 AM
Does it show how many people signed up?
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Will (He/Him) 03/15/2023 10:31 AM
When’s the next meeting?
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seb it/they 03/23/2023 8:04 AM
Well, it’s official. Georgia’s SB140 explicitly names autism, alongside “other mental health and developmental conditions,” as a justification for criminalizing gender-affirming healthcare. Again and again, I say: ableism is the packaging in which transphobia is delivered.
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This is very relevant
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Especially since many of the members of the org are super open about being autistic (myself included)
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robin (they/it) 03/23/2023 8:05 AM
i have to call brian kemp :(
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seb it/they 03/23/2023 8:06 AM
Give him hell please
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cade (he/him) 03/24/2023 3:39 PM
The United States House of Representatives has just passed the "Parents Bill Of Rights" 213-208. It is the first national bill that targets transgender youth. It contains provisions that forcibly out them to their parents, forces teachers to misgender them.
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replies say biden has expressed opposition to this bill and that it may not become federal law, thank god; but the fact that it’s gotten this far is terrible
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 03/24/2023 3:49 PM
is anyone here aware of why the option to sign up for public testimony against s627 and s623 is not there
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seb it/they 03/24/2023 4:00 PM
@pickles- they/them (mel)
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pickles- they/them (mel) 03/24/2023 4:08 PM
Y’all- they’re cheating
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They opened it up at 8a, closed it at 8:30a. Didn’t tell anyone. Removed the option to testify against
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 03/24/2023 4:11 PM
fucking hell
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@social_media im going to draft a post about this shit
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one sec
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robin (they/it) 03/24/2023 4:12 PM
say you will speak for it and then speak against it. what they gonna do ?
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Hayden (he/they) 03/24/2023 4:17 PM
This absolutely can't stand
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We should publish the image above with a caption describing what they did
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 03/24/2023 4:17 PM
ive posted a draft in socials already
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Sam McKenzie 03/24/2023 8:49 PM
Not sure where to put this, but brutal south shared this on Twitter re: H.3728
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They're literally trying to commission random people (will end up being conservative parents) to lurk around schools and report sex ed programs
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lumenbos (they/he) 03/24/2023 8:57 PM
Would signing it up for bulk newsletters help gunk this up?
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seb it/they 03/24/2023 8:57 PM
i think that's a great idea :)
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lumenbos (they/he) 03/24/2023 8:58 PM
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Would signing it up for bulk newsletters help gunk this up?
Also been on it
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 1:27 PM
🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ !!!!
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 7:00 PM
kinda wild how ion see anyone on my TL talking about how the DEA is trying to prevent ppl from being prescribed T via telehealth services, and how that would massively impact transmasc folks in rural areas…
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idk what's going on here, but it looks not great
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So they’re trying to make it illegal for telehealth to prescribe controlled substances
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that would fuck up so much mental health services too
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This includes T but it also includes things like adderal and prescription pain relievers
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Yep
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Imagine having to see a psychiatrist in person every time you need to refill your adderal /concerta
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Or testosterone
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Basically the DEA is bad and making an issue out of a non issue
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 7:24 PM
I think you can submit a comment against it
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 7:49 PM
Cyprus - it would only outlaw the online prescribing if you have not had an in person visit with the prescriber. So all it's doing is mandating one in person visit before controlled substances can be prescribed. So if you need a refill so to speak, you can get that via telemedicine.
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That is reasonable IMO.
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I disagree with that
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robin (they/it) 03/26/2023 7:50 PM
i mean still not great
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It still takes away access to care
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Matt Cox he/him 03/26/2023 7:50 PM
Any step through the door is step one. Even if it’s “reasonable,” the point is to get unreasonable
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Especially for people in rural / economically disadvantaged areas
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For those who are immunocompromised, have mobility challenges, or are too remote to easily access a provider may be left without a way to access medication
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In person visits can be more cost prohibitive and more time consuming for people who work full time jobs
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 7:51 PM
yeah especially during covid where for severally immunocomprimised people one doctors visit can mean death
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with mask mandates in hosptials dropping too, it's pretty expressly violent against immunocomprimised/disabled people and we frankly don't need more of that right now
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robin (they/it) 03/26/2023 7:52 PM
there are also doctors who live in a different state than they practice in and it would make those practices completely inaccessible to anyone who needs a controlled substance
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 7:52 PM
To some small degree, yes. However, it's not the same as requiring an in person visit for every rx.
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As long as exceptions can be made for the immunocompromised.
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I misread the wording
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As long as exceptions can be made for the immunocompromised.
Lol lmao
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 7:53 PM
will they be? what about people who are immunoocompromised but their doctors won't say they are
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Cyprus - it would only outlaw the online prescribing if you have not had an in person visit with the prescriber. So all it's doing is mandating one in person visit before controlled substances can be prescribed. So if you need a refill so to speak, you can get that via telemedicine.
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 03/26/2023 7:53 PM
why would we ever want a higher barrier to medicine
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in literally any capacity
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 7:54 PM
As far as stimulants are concerned, it's understandable to help prevent misuse of the drugs.
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 7:54 PM
lol so you're going to stigmatize drug users and neurodivergent people too
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nice
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Matt Cox he/him 03/26/2023 7:55 PM
There’s an irony to the people who simp for the founding fathers making “reasonable” laws as step one to outlaw things. The British never taxed the colonies more onerously than the rest of the colonies, but the founders’ argument was if they can tax a penny without representation, they can tax infinitely. Similarly if they can get between a patient and doctor for any reason, they can do it for EVERY reason
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 03/26/2023 7:55 PM
can someone link whatever official document the DEA is pushing
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id like to read it but i dont know where to find it
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robin (they/it) 03/26/2023 7:57 PM
stopping people from getting the medication they need to prevent misuse is funny because it is preventing use at all
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People will just look for less safe ways to get medication they need
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 7:59 PM
The black market for T is much smaller, thereby making it less reasonable to require an in person visit.
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I don’t think requiring an in person visit for anything is particularly reasonable
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 7:59 PM
This essentially means you're fine with a doctor prescribing narcotics without a proper examination. That makes little sense.
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Unless a procedure is getting done what difference does it make whether or not someone is coming in
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This essentially means you're fine with a doctor prescribing narcotics without a proper examination. That makes little sense.
I think safe access to prescriptions is a good thing yeah (edited)
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:00 PM
lol why does being in person make an examination proper?
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:00 PM
The person should have a full examination before anything is prescribed.
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:00 PM
i've had docs literally spend 3 mins in the room before prescribing narcotics
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Matt Cox he/him 03/26/2023 8:01 PM
Yeah, doctors have pushed opioids on me despite demands to the contrary
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:01 PM
Just because it happens doesn't make it right.
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So you’re just stigmatizing / moralizing drug use
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:02 PM
I really don't think that adding extra demands on disabled people, neurodivergent people, and trans people to get their needed medication is solving any problems for anyone
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:02 PM
No. I'm saying there are cases where an exam can get to the root of the problem preventing the need for the medication use.
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:02 PM
Then the patient should make the decision with their doctor to go in person
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So you’re just stigmatizing / moralizing drug use
I disagree that they're moralizing drug use lol I don't see any of that except for "stimulant addiction bad" which seems like a pretty cold take, as someone with a history of stimulant abuse
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:03 PM
If you want to say I'm stigmatizing people, fine then because I fit all 3 categories you listed.
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:03 PM
I mean I do too lol
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I think we all do
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I know people who currently have extreme anxiety about going to any in person appointments due to covid
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And every in person appointment they have to go to means they have to get tested and put their lives literally at risk
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:04 PM
Then how do they get lab work done? For T especially, lab work is essential.
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:04 PM
Lol
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LabCorp bb
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They don't do that lab work in office 90% of the time anyways
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:05 PM
That's in person. Why is that any different?
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:05 PM
It's less consistent exposure, and I can also go to LabCorp when there's no one else there
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And some LabCorp stuff can be mail in
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:05 PM
It's not like LabCorp makes house calls.
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Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 8:05 PM
Eh doctors visits are an insurance scam anyway. Not unreasonable for people to get looked at before being prescribed drugs but that's just not the function they fill in the US medical system
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:05 PM
No they literally have mail in lol
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They do fucking make house calls
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Removing access to care is a bad thing no matter what the pretext is
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:07 PM
You have to balance increased access with increased potential for abuse.
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robin (they/it) 03/26/2023 8:07 PM
i am a doctor hater any time where i have the option to not see a doctor in real life i take it
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:07 PM
okay, but currently we're not seeing widespread issues with it
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Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 8:08 PM
This doesn't really seem to be a problem. If there were dozens of cases of people getting prescribed fent with a zoom call I could understand some restriction. But there isn't, thats an ongoing issue with in person visits
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:08 PM
like no problem is being solved here, a problem is being created to increase pretext for control
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:09 PM
I'll agree that they have to demonstrate a significantly higher percentage of only telemedicine patients are abusing/selling their meds compared to those who have had an in person visit.
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Otherwise, there isn't sufficient justification for the proposed rule.
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It also means people in states that have banned hrt for minors (and are about to start banning care for adults!) wont be able to get care without driving for hours over state lines
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Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 8:10 PM
Better question, what is inherently better about an in person visit than a zoom call? What about a zoom call makes it impossible for a doctor to tell what's going on with a patient, and how does an in person visit prevent that issue?
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The DEA doesn’t have good intentions for doing this. They have a pretext to increase enforcement so that they can increase funding for themselves.
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:14 PM
Again, an examination isn't possible when it's done via telemedicine. However, one thing that would help is to have a PA/internist/NP in the room with the patient while speaking with the specialist. That would allow an examination to occur without seeing the specialist in person.
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:14 PM
tons of narcotics don't require a physical examination
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Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 8:15 PM
What examination would be done by a specialist that would not have been done before the referral to said specialist? (edited)
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Also, there’s already an Adderall shortage. It’s as hard as it’s ever been to get ADHD medication and they want to make it harder?
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Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 8:16 PM
Telehealth is already how many psychiatrists do work these days, it's just a model that works to increase access to care especially in places without much access to care
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My psychiatrist is up in York county. Why would I drive up there for them to collect info they already have to get medication?
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robin (they/it) 03/26/2023 8:17 PM
i had a psychiatrist for a while who lived in hawaii
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:17 PM
People who live in transphobic states can't use telemedicine to get their HRT without driving to a state the provider is licensed in.
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Lol they have to say they’re in the state the medicine is being prescribed in
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Don’t really have to be there in person
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:18 PM
License to practice depends on where the patient is, not the provider.
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People who live in transphobic states can't use telemedicine to get their HRT without driving to a state the provider is licensed in.
Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 8:18 PM
How does the proposed rule help or fix this situation?
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Sorry, I'm really not understanding what you are arguing for, what you think of the rule, etc
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Anything that increases the power of law enforcement will be used to disproportionally harm already marginalized communities
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License to practice depends on where the patient is, not the provider.
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 03/26/2023 8:21 PM
bleep bloop lying about my address
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Nerak1 Dave 03/26/2023 8:21 PM
It makes it much more difficult for transmasc ppl to get their T. Instead of being to the border, at least once they'll have to go to the provider.
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:22 PM
i agree, i think we should make comments to stop it
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and or more direct action
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Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 8:24 PM
Yeah seems like the last thing the US medical system needs is more red tape. Is that something the state legislature could try to curtail in the future? (Since that's what this channel is supposed to be about)
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robin (they/it) 03/26/2023 8:26 PM
im already fighting like 12 people to get my meds already why i they gotta see me in real life so they can get decked in real life
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seb it/they 03/26/2023 8:26 PM
i think that working against national legislation is also within the perview of this channel
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Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 8:27 PM
I'd agree, but I don't think it's a good idea for that info to get buried under too many messages
Cyprus pinned a message to this channel. 03/26/2023 8:27 PM
Cyprus pinned a message to this channel. 03/26/2023 8:27 PM
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cade (he/him) 03/26/2023 9:46 PM
There is a new and vile twist on anti-trans gender affirming care bans spreading. South Carolina SB627 would ban gender affirming care for trans youth, bit it would go a step further. It bans "aiding and abetting" gender affirming care for psychologists and therapists. Unreal.
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i assume this is well on our radar already; but still relevant and scary to see another one of these posts about our state
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Hayden (he/they) 03/26/2023 9:49 PM
Thats a new one, filed on 3/14/22
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ColorfulKnoll 03/26/2023 10:10 PM
Gosh dang, not even therapist? I hate these people
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They're just OK with trans kids killing themselves. There's no other possible explanation for this, it's ridiculous
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They're just OK with trans kids killing themselves. There's no other possible explanation for this, it's ridiculous
robin (they/it) 03/27/2023 12:54 PM
this is what they would prefer actually
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ColorfulKnoll 03/27/2023 2:55 PM
"It's not genocide, we swear. We just don't want any trans people to receive any kind of nesscarily medical care" (edited)
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It's such bull
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wait im confused- does that basically ban therapists from talking about gender identity stuff with paitens under 18?
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seb it/they 03/27/2023 3:04 PM
That's my understanding of it yeah
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I suspect it's meant to be broad enough for that to be prosecutable. It also doesn't have to explicitly ban that if it's broad enough to scare people away from it
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ColorfulKnoll 03/27/2023 3:12 PM
I think the main target of this is also trying to ban any referrals towards physicians out or in state for things such as puberty blockers
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But it seems to be broad enough to even ban social transitioning
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seems like it
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Arnold Karr 03/27/2023 6:06 PM
It depends on the therapist. The ones I've dealt with didn't take notes so they could deny any recollection of a client having confessed to anything they're required to report. The same could work with discussing forbidden topics.
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Hayden (he/they) 03/29/2023 3:14 PM
Did y'all see the testimony for h.3728 in the Senate Ed subcommittee? Nobody turned up to speak in favor
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@Paul_Bowers to @SCSenate on H.3728 "This bill is not merely a solution in search of a problem, it is a problem itself. I'm asking in the name of freedom, real freedom, kill this bill." #scpol #scpolitics #scfored @SCforEd https://t.co/dRxmLQOQ9N
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I should see if I can get Paul bowers in here
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His newsletter is awesome
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 03/29/2023 3:43 PM
Is he not already??
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Send the invite
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Matt Cox he/him 03/29/2023 3:43 PM
He’s on the Carolina Worker server
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 03/29/2023 3:43 PM
Oh yeah
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I'll send the link over Twitter
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Paul (he/him) 03/29/2023 8:55 PM
Yeah, we had 23 speakers against, 0 in favor.
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Paul (he/him)
Yeah, we had 23 speakers against, 0 in favor.
wait, to clarify: in Our favor?
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Paul (he/him) 03/29/2023 8:58 PM
Oh right, I mean 23 speakers against the censorship bill, so 23 in our favor
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He’s on the Carolina Worker server
Anabelle (She/Her/Hers) 03/29/2023 8:59 PM
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Sheet1 Bill #,Name,Type,Progress,Chamber,Committee S.243,medical transition ban,In Committee,Senate,Medical affairs S.274,medical transition ban,In Committee,Senate,Medical affairs S.627,medical transition ban,In Committee,Senate,medical affairs H.3351,medical transition ban,In Committee,House,J...
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was working on a comprehensive list of bills we're tracking
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Anabelle (She/Her/Hers) 04/03/2023 10:43 PM
thank u olivia!
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can i have edit access to help build it out?
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AsterTheDisaster 04/03/2023 10:51 PM
Idk what resources everyone knows about but this website has like data on who to contact about bills and stuff: https://www.transformationsproject.org/state-anti-trans-legislation
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Anabelle (She/Her/Hers) 04/03/2023 11:11 PM
ooo
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/04/2023 10:31 AM
Hey friends! This week is crossover week, which means that if bills don’t pass the chamber where they were first introduced, they’re unlikely to pass this year. Crossover is technically April 10, but since it falls on a day that’s not typically a legislative day, the deadline is functionally apr 6. Our opposition has the 2/3s majority necessary to do whatever they want, so anything could happen. We will be monitoring what happens this week. The next hearing for gender affirming care bans will likely fall outside the crossover deadline.
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Hayden (he/they) 04/04/2023 10:31 AM
April 6th, same day as the battle of Shiloh
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Btw, S.332 about putting only Bride and Groom on marriage licenses is going through Senate Judiciary today. https://www.scstatehouse.gov/agendas/125s13191.pdf
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Btw, S.332 about putting only Bride and Groom on marriage licenses is going through Senate Judiciary today. https://www.scstatehouse.gov/agendas/125s13191.pdf
Arnold Karr 04/04/2023 4:17 PM
So they're grooming 50% of the married population?
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robin (they/it) 04/04/2023 4:17 PM
lol
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Btw, S.332 about putting only Bride and Groom on marriage licenses is going through Senate Judiciary today. https://www.scstatehouse.gov/agendas/125s13191.pdf
Okay, less bad. Got passed through to full committee with the amendment to essentially just provide the option to say Bride and Groom instead of making that the only option
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Still not good, but not the absolute trash it was
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robin (they/it) 04/04/2023 4:21 PM
im confused what are the other options
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From what I heard, it will essentially read Groom/Party 1 and then Bride/Party 2
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Still bad, but not complete erasure, which is a better case scenario given this state
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robin (they/it) 04/04/2023 4:22 PM
ok ... this doesnt seem productive for anyone tbh
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robin (they/it)
ok ... this doesnt seem productive for anyone tbh
Lol it was literally brought up to the chair and bill sponsor by a priest who didn’t want to sign marriage certificates with non-gendered terms on it
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It’s just to appease their supporters
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robin (they/it) 04/04/2023 4:24 PM
i mean gay people can still get married just under the party 1 / 2 option and straggots are in the same position as they were before ...
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These are not the brightest people. They spent thirty minutes circling the same point about clarifying the origin term limits for the chair of the worker’s compensation commission.
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AsterTheDisaster 04/04/2023 4:56 PM
SC doesn't have any bathroom laws proposed rn correct?
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I'm seeing some information from 2016-2018 but nothing current did that not pass
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 04/04/2023 4:58 PM
Huh...I hadn't even thought about that. The state was too scared to even hear them, if I remember correctly, after businesses reacted to NC's bathroom bills. (edited)
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So, what's changed, exactly?
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AsterTheDisaster 04/04/2023 5:00 PM
I've read some from other states potentially banning from being in the bathroom while minors are present and also some about school bathrooms. I remember the NC bill really put a lot of National drawback. Like I wasn't even aware of LGBT necessarily and I hear about it.
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 04/04/2023 5:04 PM
Yeah...so I remember in the gubernatorial debate before Dylan Roof attacked AME, Nikki Haley said we weren't gonna remove the Confederate flag from the Statehouse "bc no businesses have complained." ...that obviously changed, and then I guess maybe that being relatively recent to when the bathroom bills were being proposed gave them a little more pause 🤷🏻 (edited)
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AsterTheDisaster 04/04/2023 5:12 PM
I started listing like bills around the country on different things on this presentation I'm doing and then got to sports and healthcare and realized there's too many to mention individually : (
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Btw, S.332 about putting only Bride and Groom on marriage licenses is going through Senate Judiciary today. https://www.scstatehouse.gov/agendas/125s13191.pdf
pickles- they/them (mel) 04/04/2023 5:12 PM
Right! We got it amended to take the homophobic shit out! It says “spouse 1 and spouse 2,” instead of “bride and groom.”
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Actually, Bride/Spouse1/Applicant1
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AsterTheDisaster 04/04/2023 5:18 PM
so would this be an accurate portrayal of how the bill is now
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(bottom line)
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I also need to check on that 35 number
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also spelling 💀
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But like is that valid
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AsterTheDisaster 04/04/2023 5:29 PM
oh my god what the hell is SC HB 3611. It's like everything on crack
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Anabelle (She/Her/Hers)
can i have edit access to help build it out?
sorry I just noticed this @Moderator can y'all give her google drive access
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seb it/they 04/04/2023 5:31 PM
@Anabelle (She/Her/Hers) can you dm me an email address
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/06/2023 12:02 PM
Y’all! The crossover deadline is effectively today, and it looks like we blocked all gender affirming care bans! I feel gaslit by yesterday at the statehouse. Paid family leave for teachers passed 113-0! Period tax exemption passed 114-0! I got Ashley Trantham and freedom caucus folx to sign onto the period tax bill. The only bad bills that crossed over are the censorship bill and Abortion ban, which we pretty much wrote the playbook on.
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which censorship bill crossed? H.3728?
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Anabelle (She/Her/Hers) 04/06/2023 12:43 PM
good work team!
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which censorship bill crossed? H.3728?
pickles- they/them (mel) 04/06/2023 12:59 PM
Yes
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It’s not law yet, it passed the house and is in senate ed subcommittee (edited)
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/06/2023 4:05 PM
Ok so maybe I celebrated too early. The GAC bans could still get put on special order, pass out of the senate, and pass the house. It missed crossover so it will take a large vote to bring it up in the house if it passes senate
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ColorfulKnoll 04/06/2023 4:23 PM
They have their own ban bills in the house so would there even be a point?
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Hayden (he/they) 04/06/2023 4:28 PM
Did those in the house pass the Senate?
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/06/2023 4:37 PM
Yes those house bills are companion bills. Bills have to pass both the senate and house to become law. The house wouldn’t try to pass their own bills because it would be a waste of time if the senate already passed theirs
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If a bill is introduced in one chamber, they’ll file an identical bill in the other chamber with a different bill number (edited)
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Did those in the house pass the Senate?
pickles- they/them (mel) 04/06/2023 4:39 PM
The house bills did not pass
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Hayden (he/they) 04/06/2023 4:39 PM
Yeah so they would both be rendered impotent
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Irabella (Leilah)(she/fae) 04/06/2023 4:47 PM
Does a bill passed in the Senate go into a committee in the house or the full chamber?
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Irabella (Leilah)(she/fae)
Does a bill passed in the Senate go into a committee in the house or the full chamber?
Irabella (Leilah)(she/fae) 04/06/2023 4:49 PM
As in, if one chamber fails to get a bill out of committee but the other chamber gets it fully passed, a full chamber vote could pass.
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/06/2023 4:50 PM
The bill passed in the senate would repeat the process all over again in the house
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Then if amendments are added in the house, it would go back to the senate for what’s called “concurrence” which basically means they all agree to the changes
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/06/2023 5:19 PM
This is a helpful infographic
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/11/2023 7:44 PM
@everyone h3728, the censorship bill, passed senate ed subcommittee today. It will probably pass full committee tomorrow, then head to the senate floor for debate. (edited)
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ColorfulKnoll 04/11/2023 7:45 PM
Is that the one banning CRT?
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Is that the one banning CRT?
pickles- they/them (mel) 04/11/2023 7:45 PM
That’s what they want people to think. There’s no CRT in k12
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But yes
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ColorfulKnoll 04/11/2023 7:46 PM
Thank you, just wanted make sure I had the correct one in mind
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berkeley county (charleston area) banned CRT late last year
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I didn't know about it until the night before the vote happened so I wasn't able to plan for it at all
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state-level officials are probably trying to build off of that momentum in addition to national momentum
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berkeley county (charleston area) banned CRT late last year
pickles- they/them (mel) 04/11/2023 7:57 PM
Yeh I was at that meeting. It was horrible. People cried and stormed out.
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The state legislature already had anti-“crt” bills moving before that tho (edited)
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Integrity in Education is getting read to the full education committee now
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/12/2023 10:56 AM
Here’s the video link to the school censorship bill in senate ed full committee https://www.scstatehouse.gov/agendas/125s13185.pdf
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H.3728
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Hang on that’s not it lol
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/12/2023 10:57 AM
^That’s the one!
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/12/2023 11:17 AM
It passed, as predicted
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When would they vote on it before the full senate
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Anabelle (She/Her/Hers) 04/12/2023 11:55 AM
is there a way to testify against H3728? (edited)
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Nerak1 Dave 04/12/2023 3:01 PM
Not anymore. Once it passes out of subcommittee, there's no testimony unless one of the legislators invite you to speak.
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Anabelle (She/Her/Hers) 04/12/2023 6:02 PM
does it only go to one chamber's subcomitte? or did the house and senate both have subcommitte meetings
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Anabelle (She/Her/Hers)
does it only go to one chamber's subcomitte? or did the house and senate both have subcommitte meetings
pickles- they/them (mel) 04/12/2023 6:03 PM
The house and senate both had subcommittee meetings, which is the only time the public can speak
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Not sure when it’ll come up on the senate floor, but could be tomorrow or next week
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We’ve been almost entirely around the monopoly board
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cade (he/him) 04/14/2023 11:36 PM
tw: d*ath penalty mention (edited)
SPOILER
OP tweet: BREAKING Florida Senate commitee has unaimously passed a bill that would give the death penalty to those who commit sexual crimes against children

Quote tweet: I want you to read this while simultaneously remembering that Florida and about 20 other states are passing various forms of “being trans or in drag is a sexual offense against minors.” Just saying.
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tw: d*ath penalty mention (edited)
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whats been going on recently with the bills? whens the next hearing
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whats been going on recently with the bills? whens the next hearing
AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 04/18/2023 10:21 PM
so most of the bills didnt cross over in time
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which to my understanding means they get put on hold till next year
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so like were good for a bit then?
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so like were good for a bit then?
Anabelle (She/Her/Hers) 04/19/2023 1:08 AM
ping ping
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Just spoke to the director at DHEC. He pretty much said yeah, the anti-trans bills are going to be pushed to next year. He actually worked in the military as a psychiatrist on a number of things including trans healthcare. He said they’ve been providing the legislature with all of the information and data showing how gender affirming care is good for the health of youth and shit. Genuinely sounds like he’s doing what he can within his power. Unfortunately that power is kinda limited, as we can’t take like an official stance on it. Allegedly some people are pretty receptive to the data, but I’m not sure what that will actually mean come next year.
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that's a relief, even if only a temporary one
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That’s even better, because most of the work in building relationships and getting lobbying agendas in front of legislators happens in the off-season when getting their time and attention is much more possible
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A-A-Ron (they/them) 04/20/2023 1:45 AM
SC Senate adds a bit of a twist to the near end of session and puts the House abortion bill, H. 3774, on the special order calendar, giving it priority status. Not entirely sure where this is going, considering House voted conception and Senate said only have votes for 6 weeks.
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Guess I'll just die
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Hayden (he/they) 04/27/2023 8:47 AM
I'm going to try to make it to this in order to talk up some politicians
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It's free btw
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pickles- they/them (mel) 04/27/2023 8:47 AM
I’ll be there too!
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Hayden (he/they) 04/27/2023 8:47 AM
I'm sad digital RSVP ended
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Hayden (he/they)
I'm sad digital RSVP ended
Oh boo, will they not let you in?
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Hayden (he/they) 04/27/2023 9:45 AM
Oh I'm getting in
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I actually can't find the sign up for this year, just past years
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Hayden (he/they)
Oh I'm getting in
We’ll bring a posse
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Hayden (he/they) 04/27/2023 10:04 AM
I'll bring some stickers too
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ColorfulKnoll 05/01/2023 1:36 PM
Since the Missouri issue is still being ruled on until the 15th does anyone know how legally feasible it is for something similar to be implemented here should the Missouri emergency order go into affect. The AG of Missouri is using consumer protection laws as a bases. I have no idea what the consumer protection laws are in SC and wanted know if anyone was more informed. I'm planning on doing further research but getting information from someone in the loop will be a lot easier and accurate than trying to decode legalise. (edited)
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seb it/they 05/01/2023 1:42 PM
i don't think anyone has concretely done anything about this yet bc everyone was dealing with finals
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ColorfulKnoll 05/01/2023 1:44 PM
That's fair, my finals finished last friday
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I've got two weeks until summer semester so I'll see if I can get anything
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Looking through this one act there's some pro and cons on the laws here for trans individuals
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On one hand it says that a personal is only eligible for "Investigational" Drugs if you're terminally ill or have exhausted all other options. However, an investigation drug is one not approved by the FDA and there's also the little tid bit of "No official, employee, or agent of this State shall block or attempt to block an eligible patient's lawful access to an investigational drug"
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I believe most HRT medications are approved by the FDA tho not explicitly for gender affirming care, so what we could see with this law is that they could force trans people to seek therapy or alternative methods to "fix" the "issue" The law may also not be applicable to this situation depending on court opinions (edited)
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This is only one law tho, more research needs to be done
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ColorfulKnoll 05/01/2023 2:42 PM
Also, while not a law, Alan Wilson has said in the past on off label drug use ( In particular for covid-19. ) "State law strongly protects the medical judgment of the physician in this circumstance. It is clear that an attending physician possesses especially broad discretion to prescribe what he or she deems the appropriate medication in a given situation" (edited)
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ColorfulKnoll 05/01/2023 3:01 PM
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So this is good, we have previous cases protecting doctors prescribing off label usage
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Overall I think HRT safety is protected from the AG in south carolina
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This also comes from the AG's comment on off label use for Covid-19
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I encourage others to look into it as well, but court ruling and laws seem to be on the side of trans care being protected from any emergency orders, as well as the AG's own opinion on off label usage
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Carrie (she/her) 05/05/2023 11:44 AM
What are the names of the bills being debated Tuesday just so I can send to legislators?
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AthenaTheCommie (she/they) 05/05/2023 11:45 AM
@pickles- they/them (mel)
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pickles- they/them (mel) 05/05/2023 11:45 AM
H3728- school censorship bill is being debated on the floor at 3p Tuesday
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Abortion s474 will get a subcommittee hearing at 9a on Tuesday. We have a permit for the entire grounds on Tuesday if folx can spend the day with us
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S474 is in house judiciary sub
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Let's tell our lawmakers in South Carolina that the attacks on LGBTQ+ South Carolinians MUST STOP. Use this form to send a message urging lawmakers to stop these attacks and oppose any effort to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people in 2023.
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if anyone wants to join scunited in sending some letters mine is.... strongly worded
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ColorfulKnoll 05/09/2023 10:37 AM
I could have sworn I already wrote a letter
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But it might be a different action plan, last one had more emails
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specifically this one is the one i wrote for bc it was just introduced i believe
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I just wrote a letter to reject S.743 in #SouthCarolina! Join me and hundreds across SC in sending a message to #SouthCarolina lawmakers urging them to reject this bill, which would harm #LGBTQ+ young people in schools.
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ColorfulKnoll
I could have sworn I already wrote a letter
there are so many u probably already did i've written so many at this point..... :(
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ColorfulKnoll 05/09/2023 10:39 AM
Sad it has to be that way
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I also directly wrote my representatives, tho one of them is a freedom cacus member so not much hope there
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this bill specifically is about the "parents bill of rights" again but now it's like. educate parents about "school choice" and make sure they get to "inspect" all curriculum. also means a parent can pull their kid out of a sex ed lesson or any class lesson if it discusses "sexual orientation or gender identity" in a way they don't like..... which means lgbt so :/ it's literally like so kids aren't allowed to ask questions or be taught about facts anymore if the parent doesn't LIKE those facts 😀 hello
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tl;dr parents get the choice of if their kids get access to info on sexuality or gender
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ColorfulKnoll 05/09/2023 10:43 AM
Yeah it's messed up, I think these bills have been pushed back till 2024 but theyre likely to be reintroduced. So the emails still help
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ColorfulKnoll
I also directly wrote my representatives, tho one of them is a freedom cacus member so not much hope there
feeling rage in this discord this morning at the phrase freedom caucus acab
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ColorfulKnoll 05/09/2023 10:44 AM
Haha
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Mood
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harper
feeling rage in this discord this morning at the phrase freedom caucus acab
AsterTheDisaster 05/09/2023 1:23 PM
A few of them came to a republican club meeting at Clemson and I went. It pisses me off how I agree with some things (far right and far left are closer on some issues than youd think) but then they go off on an entire awful rant about something that they're completely uneducated about.
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Dingo (they/them) 05/09/2023 3:20 PM
"School shootings are a mental health issue." "We're gonna defund hospitals"
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Carrie (she/her) 05/16/2023 5:49 PM
Pro choice champions are trying to get people to text / email/tweet their republican representatives TODAY/NOW . Here is a toolkit with templates and instructions on how to contact: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6X_peK3zNMBVtZqZWTEhG_Rbta4J_LYZPaYwQDgVBM/edit?usp=sharing
WREN Digital Toolkit Email Your State Representatives in REAL TIME starting at 12:30p on May 16! Watch the House session in real-time here: https://www.scstatehouse.gov/video/chamber.php?chamber=H&audio=0 To assist you in identifying the Representative, you can look them up here **Please make ...
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they're debating the total abortion ban today at the statehouse
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Cringe sc legislature
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Jonah Glover 05/17/2023 11:10 PM
They passed it in the house
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By Kate Zernike
The approval brings both chambers of the legislature closer to agreement on a ban after months of debate.
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ColorfulKnoll 05/17/2023 11:13 PM
Bad news
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George (He/They) 05/17/2023 11:34 PM
Fuck McMaster
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