The upper petty bourgeoisie and middle bourgeoisie, oppressed and injured by the landlords and big bourgeoisie and their state power, may take part in the new-democratic revolution or stay neutral, though they are themselves bourgeois. They have no ties, or comparatively few, with imperialism and are the genuine national bourgeoisie. Wherever the state power of New Democracy extends, it must firmly and unhesitatingly protect them.
It is absolutely impermissible to repeat such wrong ultra-Left polices towards the upper petty bourgeois and middle bourgeois sectors in the economy as our Party adopted during 1931-34 (unduly advanced labour conditions, excessive income tax rates, encroachment on the interests of industrialists and merchants during the land reform, and the adoption as a goal of the so-called "workers' welfare", which was a short-sighted and one-sided concept, instead of the goal of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital). To repeat such mistakes would certainly damage the interests both of the working masses and of the new-democratic state.
To sum up, the economic structure of New China will consist of: (1) the state-owned economy, which is the leading sector; (2) the agricultural economy, developing step by step from individual to collective; and (3) the economy of small independent craftsmen and traders and the economy of small and middle private capital. These constitute the whole of the new-democratic national economy. The principles guiding the new-democratic national economy must closely conform to the general objective of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital. Any principle, policy or measure that deviates from this general objective is wrong.
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@Yaira (@YairaCaelitus)
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u just called me a nazi because ur shitlib mind cant fathom actually existing socialism
"we must isolate ourselves and cause damage to our movements and even compromise them in most cases because doing otherwise is literally fascism!!!" - anton & lily
Yaira (@YairaCaelitus)
class collaborationism is one of fascisms fundamental aspects
sorry i actually support class struggle and desire a genuine proletarian dictatorship and not "new democracy" which enshrines the existence of sections of the bourgeoisie as a somehow progressive force
communism is neither collectivist nor individualist
Yaira (@YairaCaelitus)
sorry i actually support class struggle and desire a genuine proletarian dictatorship and not "new democracy" which enshrines the existence of sections of the bourgeoisie as a somehow progressive force
The principles guiding the new-democratic national economy must closely conform to the general objective of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital. Any principle, policy or measure that deviates from this general objective is wrong.
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developing production
Yaira (@YairaCaelitus)
sorry i actually support class struggle and desire a genuine proletarian dictatorship and not "new democracy" which enshrines the existence of sections of the bourgeoisie as a somehow progressive force
me when china achieves socialism but still participates in external markets leading to the restoration of commodity production internally and recreation of capitalist social relations
Yaira (@YairaCaelitus)
me when china achieves socialism but still participates in external markets leading to the restoration of commodity production internally and recreation of capitalist social relations
the only thing deafening is how loud your misunderstanding of marxism is
Yaira (@YairaCaelitus)
sorry i actually support class struggle and desire a genuine proletarian dictatorship and not "new democracy" which enshrines the existence of sections of the bourgeoisie as a somehow progressive force
historically speaking the workers councils were the natural form of workers self-organisation, such self-organisation may take new forms but its still different from new democracy in the sense that it is wholly proletarian
Kenneth (@K3NNLD)
I mean ngl her entire argument seems to be "it never existed irl!!!" rn
The upper petty bourgeoisie and middle bourgeoisie, oppressed and injured by the landlords and big bourgeoisie and their state power, may take part in the new-democratic revolution or stay neutral, though they are themselves bourgeois. They have no ties, or comparatively few, with imperialism and are the genuine national bourgeoisie. Wherever the state power of New Democracy extends, it must firmly and unhesitatingly protect them.
It is absolutely impermissible to repeat such wrong ultra-Left polices towards the upper petty bourgeois and middle bourgeois sectors in the economy as our Party adopted during 1931-34 (unduly advanced labour conditions, excessive income tax rates, encroachment on the interests of industrialists and merchants during the land reform, and the adoption as a goal of the so-called "workers' welfare", which was a short-sighted and one-sided concept, instead of the goal of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital). To repeat such mistakes would certainly damage the interests both of the working masses and of the new-democratic state.
To sum up, the economic structure of New China will consist of: (1) the state-owned economy, which is the leading sector; (2) the agricultural economy, developing step by step from individual to collective; and (3) the economy of small independent craftsmen and traders and the economy of small and middle private capital. These constitute the whole of the new-democratic national economy. The principles guiding the new-democratic national economy must closely conform to the general objective of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital. Any principle, policy or measure that deviates from this general objective is wrong.
The upper petty bourgeoisie and middle bourgeoisie, oppressed and injured by the landlords and big bourgeoisie and their state power, may take part in the new-democratic revolution or stay neutral, though they are themselves bourgeois. They have no ties, or comparatively few, with imperialism and are the genuine national bourgeoisie. Wherever the state power of New Democracy extends, it must firmly and unhesitatingly protect them.
It is absolutely impermissible to repeat such wrong ultra-Left polices towards the upper petty bourgeois and middle bourgeois sectors in the economy as our Party adopted during 1931-34 (unduly advanced labour conditions, excessive income tax rates, encroachment on the interests of industrialists and merchants during the land reform, and the adoption as a goal of the so-called "workers' welfare", which was a short-sighted and one-sided concept, instead of the goal of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital). To repeat such mistakes would certainly damage the interests both of the working masses and of the new-democratic state.
To sum up, the economic structure of New China will consist of: (1) the state-owned economy, which is the leading sector; (2) the agricultural economy, developing step by step from individual to collective; and (3) the economy of small independent craftsmen and traders and the economy of small and middle private capital. These constitute the whole of the new-democratic national economy. The principles guiding the new-democratic national economy must closely conform to the general objective of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital. Any principle, policy or measure that deviates from this general objective is wrong.
he made statements to people he knew were police informants on one hand and also referred to hitler as sowing the seeds for his own and capital's destruction
@Sp4rks kinda suspicious don’t you think “Nadezhda Sergeyevna Alliluyeva[a] (Russian: Надежда Сергеевна Аллилуева; 22 September [O.S. 9 September] 1901 – 9 November 1932) was the second wife of Joseph Stalin. She was born in Baku to a friend of Stalin, a fellow revolutionary, and was raised in Saint Petersburg. Having known Stalin from a young age, she married him when she was 18”
Also I just wanted to say, the reason you are being dogged on, is not because you are an ML but because you have shitty takes and partly cause you are a ML and a hypocrite @Sp4rks
== Déjà vu? We have been here before. Precisely three times before, since Hamas seized control of Gaza 15 years ago. The pattern is always the same. Israel makes yet another move to create “facts on the ground” such as the planned eviction of Palestinians from parts of East Jerusalem. Then Hamas fires off all the home made rockets it has been st...
Also I think your stupid for taking deng seriously and considering him anything less than a class collaborator and sold out china to the west. Your, “Socialism with Chinese characteristics!” Is nothing more than blatant nationalism. The thought of, “Communism by 2049” is no more than propaganda and speculation to try and gain some relevance if at all, the PRC is nothing more than a capitalist nation using communism as an aesthetic.
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Could I say more? Yes I could but I think today has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what you are talking about beyond posting quotes and memes, you fall apart when anyone puts up an argument and you resolve to shit talking and name calling.
Your not a communist and I would go on to say you are not even a marxist-leninist, as actual MLs would have put some sort of backbone into your argument. You are a coward, no more than a helpless bully that can only make friends with fascists and others with no grounded beliefs.
Your not a communist and I would go on to say you are not even a marxist-leninist, as actual MLs would have put some sort of backbone into your argument. You are a coward, no more than a helpless bully that can only make friends with fascists and others with no grounded beliefs.
Could I say more? Yes I could but I think today has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what you are talking about beyond posting quotes and memes, you fall apart when anyone puts up an argument and you resolve to shit talking and name calling.
Your not a communist and I would go on to say you are not even a marxist-leninist, as actual MLs would have put some sort of backbone into your argument. You are a coward, no more than a helpless bully that can only make friends with fascists and others with no grounded beliefs.
love how we got a specified channel where we can just be as fucking bitchy as we want to other people but it turns into just someone having 5 people rip at their arguments
love how we got a specified channel where we can just be as fucking bitchy as we want to other people but it turns into just someone having 5 people rip at their arguments
@Sp4rksyk its been a minute since I joined this server, I read almost this whole debate, please do yourself a favour and get rid of your attachments to nationalism and the mental retardation of anything relating to 20th century state capitalism.
Could I say more? Yes I could but I think today has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what you are talking about beyond posting quotes and memes, you fall apart when anyone puts up an argument and you resolve to shit talking and name calling.
Manifesto of the Internationalist Communist League “Be realistic, demand the impossible!” Contents Preamble The Historic Legacy of the ICL The Views and Aims of the League Relationship to Other Parties and Organisations The Organisational Structure of the League P...
councilism refers to a tendency within council communism which developed at a few points, first with ruhle and then later on with others that completely rejected the usefulness of the party-form
What is antifascism ? It doesn’t just mean being against fascism. It means a particular way of fighting fascism, by giving this fight absolute priority, particularly over the fight against other political forms of bourgeois rule, and first of all the democratic forms. (Similarly, “anti-imperialism” does not mean fighting imperialism, but supporting national liberation movements against dominant imperialist countries.) Antifascism supports democracy in order to get rid of fascism. This support will often be partial, critical and provisional, and think of itself as anti-State. In Spain, 1936, quite a few people thought they were practising a “revolutionary” antifascism: they believed the armed proletarians could afford to neglect the democratic State for the moment and simply take the anti-Franco struggle into their own hands without bothering about a bourgeois police and army made powerless by the workers’ insurrection. This was the position of many anarchists, Trotskysts and members of German and Italian left communist groups that went to Spain after the Summer of 1936 to join the anarchist or POUM militia. When Bilan told these comrades that they were in fact fighting Franco alongside the Spanish Republican army, and that no anti-Franco combat could be achieved without also combating the Republican State, because bourgeois democrats can’t and won’t give themselves the means to defeat fascist bourgeois, Bilan’s stand appeared dogmatic, absurd, even close to desertion. In the light of what followed, the forced integration of the militia into the regular army, the demise and crushing of proletarian autonomy, May 37, the destruction of worker and peasant collectivities, only to result in the inability of the Republican government to defeat Franco, this sequence of events rather points out to the opposite: by and large, Bilan was right. It was even proved right by the fact that many of the communists who’d been to Spain to take part in what they thought was a revolutionary process left the country within a year.
my professionalism extends when engaging people (read: other proletarians) in moments of struggle and in related contexts, and in dealing with other communists (read: adherents to the communist left and its derivatives)
i believe in the abolition of property and of the workplace (in the sense of a place where you preform labour alienated from you (ie work) to sustain yourself), and a future society based on free association, free development of the individual, and free consumption of the total labour
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what about that is bad
22:24
i want to abolish the bourgeois and petite bourgeois classes as part of the path towards freedom and a society built on truly human foundations
nobody has gone "lets try communism" and tested out having a free association of producers and the abolition of commodity production (something not possible for a territory in isolation)
0ttoman (@MagicalTurtle8)
Then what has killed over a hundred million people and caused a nuclear arms race that also killed millions more with famine and the eastern bloc?
two competing capitalist blocs vying for global supremacy
Yaira (@YairaCaelitus)
nobody has gone "lets try communism" and tested out having a free association of producers and the abolition of commodity production (something not possible for a territory in isolation)
Capital controls the world, good luck being successful in a communist uprising, since there is no state, someone will probably just take the damaged communist society and return it to order.
0ttoman (@MagicalTurtle8)
Capital controls the world, good luck being successful in a communist uprising, since there is no state, someone will probably just take the damaged communist society and return it to order.
i said that north korea is a capitalist state, not a dotp, and has nothing to do with the communist movement except for the fact of the "workers" party burying it
these include the RSFSR prior to 1921, the bavarian soviet republic, the paris commune, the shanghai commune of 1927, and some others
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most of them brutally crushed and the RSFSR being subjected to internal counterrevolution and degradation as a result of becoming isolated (this in turn a result of the whole international revolutionary wave being suppressed)
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Neither can you going by the logic of “cited by libs,” cause the majority of your cited shit is cited by those funded by the CPC are legit government agencies of the CPC.
i dont think having a GUP (a popular anime) background makes someone a pedo (in this case, attracted to people 11 years old), since they're like all high schoolers
ComradeDer
Let’s just all agree that someone who likes watching naked 8 year old anime girls is weird
i dont think having a GUP (a popular anime) background makes someone a pedo (in this case, attracted to people 11 years old), since they're like all high schoolers
i dont think having a GUP (a popular anime) background makes someone a pedo (in this case, attracted to people 11 years old), since they're like all high schoolers
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They’re each worth over US$30 billion thanks to an early investment into their son’s Amazon empire … but who are Jacklyn and Miguel Bezos, and did they really just buy a mansion off two RHOM stars?
ComradeDer
Tell that to the people being forced to sew clothes 7 days a week
you literally sound like a 50 year old MAGA american called like Bob who goes like on a rant about the most racist things ever about black people and then cover up saying "I WORK WITH THEM AND AM FRIENDS WITH SOME ITS OK"
“Anarchists:
An anarchist is someone who subscribes to a political doctrine that contends that all forms of government are innately bad. The word "anarchy" comes from the Greek word anarchos, which literally means "without authority."
Answer and Explanation:
No, the Zapatistas in Mexico in the early 1990s were not anarchists. The Zapatistas were against the one-party regime that dominated Mexico at the time, the Party of the Institutionalized Revolution (PRI), but they were not against all forms of government. In fact, the Zapatistas took over towns in the Mexican state of Chiapas, managing them under their own authority, which was not anarchy. They did sometimes free all prisoners in towns they overtook. While this could be interpreted as an anarchist action, the main reason why the Zapatistas did this was to serve their version of justice to those who had been imprisoned for political reasons and also to generate support for their movement. The Zapatistas were also in favor of retaining government-controlled collective farms, which ran counter to anarchy.”
Yes but now they are still controlling parts of Mexico, and that's no longer relevant, also they were against NAFTA and they wanted indigenous Mayans land to be returned to them.
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They weren't anarchists, they are now.
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You are speaking in past tense, I am talking about the current state of the Zapatistas.
“Anarchists:
An anarchist is someone who subscribes to a political doctrine that contends that all forms of government are innately bad. The word "anarchy" comes from the Greek word anarchos, which literally means "without authority."
Answer and Explanation:
No, the Zapatistas in Mexico in the early 1990s were not anarchists. The Zapatistas were against the one-party regime that dominated Mexico at the time, the Party of the Institutionalized Revolution (PRI), but they were not against all forms of government. In fact, the Zapatistas took over towns in the Mexican state of Chiapas, managing them under their own authority, which was not anarchy. They did sometimes free all prisoners in towns they overtook. While this could be interpreted as an anarchist action, the main reason why the Zapatistas did this was to serve their version of justice to those who had been imprisoned for political reasons and also to generate support for their movement. The Zapatistas were also in favor of retaining government-controlled collective farms, which ran counter to anarchy.”
Seeing how our system which isn’t based on punishment, but on rehabilitation, works perfectly
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With almost no reoffences
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I believe we should have a „punishment“ system similar to Norways
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I think community service is also a good „punishment“, but it would be an altered version of it ofc
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Now, you may say, serial killers could get off by living in luxury!
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Well, there will be times where the community which was rammed by this individual will have to decide what to do with him and give him a punishment that is just for (in hopes) everyone
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But again, this completely depends on the case itself
Well the reason immigration exists is mainly because capitalism has failed poorer countries and forced people to flee from war, joblessness or search for jobs with better pay to support their families
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I think all immigrants should be welcome, but I also think we should stop the reason why they even have to come to us
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about LGBTQ
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Many anarchists identify as LGBTQ+, myself too, and I don’t see how it differs someone from anyone else
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So to most anarchists, gender or sexuality is complete irrelevant
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We accept anyone (as long as it’s not some pedosexual type shit)
Grant was also the president that labeled the KKK as a terrorist organisation and actively hunted them down with the use of the army and practically exterminated them. But he also used Government money to invest into the stock market and make a shit ton of money, which is really fucking funny to me
Ka shiga sahun gaba
Don tarwatsa arna
Don karya tutar su
Don rusa shirkar su
Don kore kafirci
Don zartar da shari'ar Allah
Don karfafa addini
Don daukaka tutar ka
0ttoman (@MagicalTurtle8)
I have one but I am studying for a test and I would rather do that than sit here listening to reds tell me about their lost cause ideology.
Even if there is a "lesser evil" that title shows that they are both evil.
Democrats and Repubicans are neoliberal systems which opress the proletarian and should be tore down, I understand why you could support them if you are blinded to class consciousness but I think you should read marx if you havent already, these structures are chains to the proletarian and all capitalist hierarchies must be taken down
The entire point of leftism is that we dont need capitalism because of how opressive it is, we must tear it down completely. Every shred and ounce of it must be torn, burned, and removed
a socialist state is both classless and stateless, no society like that exists in the present day except for maybe something like the EZLN or Zapistas
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a communist state is further along the chain then socialism and is classless moneyless and stateless, no society like that exists in modern day time or has ever existed
eridan (@QProtagonist)
bernies some weirdo who wants to mix in socialism and capitalism and supports bourgeiouse institutes
The difference between anarchy and communism is that anarchy is much more broad and also wants instant evaporation of the statte while communist and socialists want it to fade away
I think there should still be a liberal direct democratic government
eridan (@QProtagonist)
The difference between anarchy and communism is that anarchy is much more broad and also wants instant evaporation of the statte while communist and socialists want it to fade away
“The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas.”
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"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."
All struggle in society be it that of Minorities or the poor amounts in the end to class struggle, the class hierarchy must be abolished its in entirety